psyker-class

[still hearth]

Psykinetic's Wrath feels pretty awful with the improved warp charges

[leaden thunder]

which one is that again

[lethal folio]

Damage bonus scaling with peril

[still hearth]

I wish it was just

Damage

And not Warp specifically

[olive ember]

It’s trash

You didn’t run it before the warp changes either

[north cradle]

Has AB always only worked on kill, because I could have sworn any enemy that died with Soulblaze could count

[safe crystal]

Still works as long as it has stacks afaik

[long wharf]

AB hasn't changed

always was any enemy that died with soulblaze on them triggered AB for all psykers on the team with AB

[still hearth]

So you can just run 4x Psykers with AB and you only need one Purge? Nasty.

[long wharf]

you can do that, sure, as long as nobody wants to be able to BB burst on bosses

and 4 psykers makes for a bad mix against demonhosts

[vast rover]

There's a Hab Dreyko investigation on malice available if anyone wants to try to do Going Out With a Bang at the end together. Hanging out in strike team 16 voice chat.

[olive ember]

I’m not home to help rip

[vast rover]

No worries, thanks anyway!

[olive ember]

Prob try #vox-lfg-nasa or whichever region as well

[orchid nacelle]

have they fixed cerebral lacerations increasing the damage of subsequent brain bursts

[olive ember]

That’s how I got my achieves

[olive ember]

Nope

[orchid nacelle]

thank emperor

[north cradle]

If I was still trying for Pick N Mix, I would have gotten it in the last arena before the boss. I was picking off Ogryns, Bombers, Trappers, and Gunners

[lilac tapir]

I wish curios would stop rolling experience for lvl 30 chars...

[long wharf]

or they let us accrue XP and get mats or dockets when we "overlevel"

[lilac tapir]

Surge IV from Melk and on Voidstrike no less, nice!

[feral verge]

a good staff to destroy

[lilac tapir]

it would have been a bummer if it was a perfect roll on stats haha

(or close to)

[feral verge]

i'm saving all my mats for next week

for when the patch drops

to try to craft the perfect voidstrike

but i think im just gonna be disapointed

cuz mine is 90% perfect already

like, mine is already really really good, and it's ognna be a resource drain to even try to top it

i want unarmored instead of carapace, and warp flurry iv

[lilac tapir]

yea, these are already very high rolls

[cold geode]

damnit, melk has a devils claw with rampage 4 and i cant buy it

[feral verge]

i heard on here thgat devils claw sucks

[leaden thunder]

they aren't great

[cold geode]

yea yea

i know

[spice veldt]

for one, devils claws have no power blessings

[leaden thunder]

it's ok on psyker since they have no comparative

[long wharf]

Sour Milk has yet to show me a staff with t4 blessing on it

I see gun t4s though, none of them useful

[spice veldt]

my previous selection from milk had t2s

[leaden thunder]

t4 run and gun

[ornate hamlet]

is this a mod?

[spice veldt]

t4 precog

[feral verge]

my milk shop almost never has any staffs

[solar cloak]

malk exclusively only gives me guns

[long wharf]

I see t1 and t2 blessings on orange gear in Sour Milk's shop

[feral verge]

i have one staff today, but its shit

[long wharf]

shouldn't happen, in my opinion

[cold geode]

if i had a devils claw with rampage 4 and t3/4 cleave im betting i could clear trash hordes pretty quick, only reason i want it

[primal fjord]

What perks do y'all try to get on Surge staff?

[lilac tapir]

I think once I get above 500 staff and Knife and/or Antax I will just save mats for when Red equipment gets rolled out. I assume Red will always roll Tier IV Perks + Blessings (or maybe they will add Tier V, who knows) and modifiers roll will be 80-100 instead of 1-80. Cause trying to minmax now is such a big resource drain...

[long wharf]

limited currency should be for at least well rolled items

[feral verge]

how long did it take for red equipment to come out for vermintide?

i came late to the vermintide party

[long wharf]

oof, imagine assuming FartShart is going to put any thought or planning into their system and not release it in an absolute dogshit state that the community then has to bitterly complain they fix

[feral verge]

very late

[long wharf]

not just bitterly complain, tell them how to fix

[lilac tapir]

well... hopefully by the time they release Reds they will have learned their lesson... but know knows!

[ornate hamlet]

damage to unarmored will help it be slightly less bad vs horde
damage to specialists with help with dogs and bursters
crit chance is never bad

[long wharf]

crit is desirable on surge

as crit hits do additional stagger buildup

+crit and +flak

are what I'd aim for on surge staff

[lilac tapir]

I think it was at least 1 year into the game, if not longer, however I stopped playing before that and started again after Reds were already in the game so don't really remember the details.

[ornate hamlet]

i'd probably do crit chance and damage to unarmored

[primal fjord]

Can the dmg stat be low on Surge or is that one of the keep max ones?

[long wharf]

good god no, not on surge staff

surge does abyssmal damage to unarmored, any multiplier to that is essentially ineffective and unnoticeable

[feral verge]

oh here's another infuriating thing ya'll probably already know

[ornate hamlet]

the game is jank af? yes we know

[feral verge]

fucking lame that 6 stacks of warp charge cant kill a burster

[long wharf]

a lower damage value doesn't hurt surge CC ability, that said you don't really want damage dumped as surge is useful against flak enemies

[spice veldt]

if you don't want to push the poxburster because your teammates might shoot it, you can always run away

bursters not getting one-shot by BB is fine imo

[primal fjord]

Ah ok. Trying to make a decent staff and seeing what wiggle room I can get. While finding decent 360-380 surge staffs.

[spice veldt]

i memed about t4 precog in milk's shop and look at what i get

[leaden thunder]

ask and you shall recieve

[spice veldt]

:(

[long wharf]

you will receive Sour Milk's butthole in your face as he demands penance for you daring to want good gear

[lilac tapir]

So Melk has more for me this time it seems... are Headhunter Autoguns any good on other classes (I'm not really going to use these blessings on a Psyker)? The Headhunter + Crucian Roulette seems like a nice combo, but sometimes things that seem nice are not really nice, hence I'm asking folks who play other classes 🙂

[long wharf]

frankly, with the changes to the docket shop, and addition of Brunt's shop, I think Sour Milk is going to eventually change

[leaden thunder]

crucian is decent

one of the best ones for it afaik

[long wharf]

the way Sour Milk works right now makes no sense

[cold geode]

i wish they would put melk money +% on curios and replace ordo dockets

[long wharf]

it never did, but makes even less sense now that we can obtain whites at will and upgrade to roll the dice on blessings

they should frankly get rid of Sour Milk handing out a unique currency entirely

have him pay out in dockets for daily contracts

get rid of this weekly nonsense

pay out in dockets and mats, both

[lilac tapir]

they could still fix Melk I think - could make it so his shop has at least 3 curious and all items are guaranteed orange items with at least one Tier 4 blessing and the other one not lower than Tier 3 and Modifier roll not lower than 475

and maybe balance out the increased quality with higher prices and/or longer cooldown on shop reset

I don't know, but I agree in the current state it's mostly for hunting Tier 4 blessings for your Brunt's shop upgrades

[primal fjord]

Was it Warp Flurry or Terrifying Barrage, that was still bugged on purg and surge staff?

[safe crystal]

Flurry

[long wharf]

I'm not even motivated to open the game unless Sour Milk has a T4 blessing I'm looking for right now

blessings still need fixing/changing across gear

[north cradle]

Scoreboard mod ya

[long wharf]

modding being essentially restricted to either the Psykanium or UI mods is disappointing, as well

[north cradle]

That's what we get for having dedicated servers

It's all downsides

[lilac tapir]

oh btw I do have the Scoreboard mod and it works for the part in missions (various notifications for pickups etc.) but I don't get the actual Scoreboard at the end of the mission. Any clues how to fix it?

[north cradle]

I'm about to enter a mission but I'll help soonish

[safe crystal]

Do you have the 2 dependency mods as well?

[lilac tapir]

Which ones specifically?

[safe crystal]

UI extension and animation events

[lilac tapir]

Thanks, that was it.

[primal fjord]

Hmm...well if Flurry is still bugged on Surge. Guess I'll try and get Warp Nexus and Terrifying Barrage on mine.

[ornate hamlet]

"For characters at level 30, you will no longer see a weapon with a base rating of under 300 from the Armoury Exchange, Sire Melk's Requisitorium, or through the Emperor's Gift."

little late fatshark, but thanks?

[safe crystal]

If you have one with flurry right now, you can wait for next week to see if they fix it

[long wharf]

I wouldn't bother with TB, honestly

focus on Warp Nexus, literally no other blessing matters

[ornate hamlet]

pretty much yeah

[lilac tapir]

Thanks, Ice narrowed it down for me.

[long wharf]

if what you have rolled Warp Flurry, you should just leave it (provided you have Warp Nexus)

[lilac tapir]

For Melk it should be at least 350 or 375 imo.

[primal fjord]

The two surge staffs, I currently have access to..

[long wharf]

definitely, nobody at level 30 is looking for anything under 360

[primal fjord]

Not great I know. But I don't have any Blessing ripped off of other surge staffs. But for a tier 3 Barrage.

[long wharf]

it's a little insulting that FartShart wants to double down on the RNG systems in Darktide

nobody is playing Darktide for the gear chase at level 30

[lilac tapir]

I would take the right one and reroll TB into Tier 3 or 4 Nexus.

[long wharf]

I'd scrap the one on the right

charge rate is an important stat, it being dumped like that makes for a very sad surge experience

frankly, neither staff is good

[lilac tapir]

Aye, if dmg can be sacrificed then left one is better I guess.

[primal fjord]

Since I don't have any ripped blessing so far, but for Barrage. Guess I'll take the left one, reroll range Crit DMG perk to Crit Chance and reroll Flurry to Barrage. For now...

[hexed sage]

What's a good melee weapon to pair with a trauma staff?

[lilac tapir]

Currently I run Antax V with BM and LS with all my staves, just because it gives me a good ability to survive alone if I can't use my staff for whatever reason (spamming push-attacks and moving to a new location until I'm in the clear). Since trauma can already clear groups of enemies nicely, you could also use other axes or a knife for their single target dmg potential.

[spice veldt]

yeah; anything with good single-target damage since the trauma sets up melee elite kills for you by staggering them to the ground. It's nevertheless nice for your melee to have some semblance of hordeclear though

borked ass mission board; hab dreyko and cryorod is still on there 🙃

[orchid nacelle]

so which career do you guys bet we're gonna get first

i'm counting on the shieldy boy

[spice veldt]

i want the one with the throwing knives

[lilac tapir]

what the hell 😄

[spice veldt]

yeah shit's reaaaal fucked

where are my desert maps, fatshark

[lilac tapir]

I'm just hoping Psyker won't end up like Sienna in V2 who still doesn't have 4th career released (although we now know it's coming "sometime" later this year).

[feral verge]

can someone send me a guide on how to beat low intensity sedition

[humble star]

Would either of these blessings be worth replacing with Bloodthirsty for guaranteed crits? Since I'm kinda stuck with that crit damage perk.

[leaden thunder]

deflector if you want to deal more damage

[spice veldt]

i think +crit dmg works the same way as +weakspot, so it's not as good as you might expect

I strongly recommend replacing deflector

always keep slaughterer

i'm running a bloodthirsty + slaughterer FS of my own

and bloodthirsty makes it quite good for proccing slaughterer stacks and chaining elite kills

[humble star]

alright, ty

[orchid nacelle]

is there anything more satisfying than using deflector force sword to walk up to ranged mobs

[open ember]

how important is penetration

[cold geode]

pen is how much dmg you do through armor

[hot yew]

He said how important, not what it does

[foggy tangle]

I got a pretty good antax with headtaker, what's a good 2nd blessing?

[olive ember]

brutal momentum

[hot yew]

I dont think the scaling on it is too crazy, the mk5 already does great pen

[olive ember]

Its kinda important?

the dump stat is cleave

and then mobility last I checked

[hot yew]

For sure, but is it reducing TTK on a target? Or just theoretical dps

[nocturne badge]

ooh baby

[hot yew]

Mk5 will slam armour no matter what

[nocturne badge]

now i just need to roll a blaze away

[long wharf]

just keep in mind that FartShart doesn't have a separate team for development

which means time taken to work on V2 is time not spent fixing Darktide

and vice versa

[nocturne badge]

my previous AP had better stopping power, but it's made up for by the t4 pinning fire

[orchid nacelle]

i wanna be able to change the last man standing music to Nightsider

it always feels like the psyker is the last person standing anyways

[lilac tapir]

yea, that's why I think the sooner they release Sienna career (which I think is supposed to be the last major V2 update) the sooner they can focus properly on fixing Darktide... but ofc I can be wrong 🙂

[olive ember]

how does one emote in lobby btw

[feral verge]

alt

[olive ember]

it no work

liar ;-;

[feral verge]

hold it down

[olive ember]

yeah nothing

[feral verge]

Skill issue

Alt is my jump key

So maybe try your jump key

[olive ember]

yeah its jump

but more importantly

"Alt is my jump key" What Heresy is this

[grizzled iris]

Does anyone have a Heavy Laspistol with Run N' Gun? if so link a picture and tag me please

[still hearth]

I bet you use LMB to shoot as well, Derpy.

Disgusting.

The real gamer strat is to shoot using space

[orchid nacelle]

shoot is bound to enter

[olive ember]

bruh no one is playing sedition and uprising wtf

[grizzled iris]

Does anyone have a Heavy Laspistol with Run N' Gun? if so link a picture and tag me please

[olive ember]

nope

I scrap that shit the moment I see it

[grizzled iris]

This is not a bad gun

But I can't find Run N' Gun

[olive ember]

you want run n gun on a weapon?

isn't that like troll most of the time

[spice veldt]

you can shoot while running with the laspistol anyways by default

provided you don't shoot too fast

[olive ember]

am I fitting in

[spice veldt]

what is this team

[olive ember]

malice gaming

[solar cloak]

was hoping for an antax but this got me temping

[feral verge]

Not enough wounds @olive ember

[olive ember]

its already 3 wounds

[feral verge]

Ik

Need more

[twilit flicker]

how do you expect to survive without seven wounds?

[wide tiger]

I finally got all my mods set up, short of using a purgatus staff to pad your numbers veterans are doing some pretty insane damage overall compared to us

[olive ember]

its a shield ogryn

how to get more wounds

[opaque temple]

🧙‍♂️

[wide tiger]

The Commander Ogryn, Sits with shield up behind team barking orders with all + wounds

Love to see em

[feral verge]

Eason was a vet

High int damnation

[wide tiger]

Yeah we just did a high int with a solid vet and he got like 730k damage

[olive ember]

this claw sword is so shit lmao

[feral verge]

Eating noodles was purga psyker

[feral verge]

Thunderclub was ogryn

[safe crystal]

You would've hated halb in VT2

Its that sword but more range

[wide tiger]

You can definitely have outliers but ive just been watching the scoreboard and on average, ive seen vets pulling some big numbers

does that mean that you arent gonna have times when psykers do some good damage? No

[olive ember]

I think I used the thing in vt2

its not complete trash like this thing is

[wide tiger]

im sure there can be zealots that do big dick dps too

heavysword gotta be putting out some respectable stats

and ofc the flamer

[safe crystal]

True, at least it mostly has armor piercing on most attacks

[nocturne badge]

last time i tested, you can sprint and fire the las pistol without stopping sprinting without run n gun as long as you don't fire at max ROF

[wide tiger]

which staff were you using?

[nocturne badge]

if you tap fire a bit slower you won't break sprint

[feral verge]

My godstrike

[nocturne badge]

oof looks like mine with the locked in carapace damage

[wide tiger]

Yeah ive got a similar staff

I havent been able to break over 500k with my voidstrike though

purgatus easier to pad

[feral verge]

Everything else is Gucci so idc much

[nocturne badge]

yeah by all means it's great

[feral verge]

Still an insanely good role

I kinda want to make an even better one but

[nocturne badge]

and it's not even like carapace damage is useless

[feral verge]

I think it'd be a waste of resources

[nocturne badge]

you can hit like 800s on mauler heads with full charge

[feral verge]

Cuz it would take a lotta time and resources to get something better

Unless I got lucky again

[wide tiger]

I wish i had gotten a better perk but what can you do

[feral verge]

Nice

[nocturne badge]

i think flak might be a bit better

than unarmored

[feral verge]

My ideal would be flak + unarmored

[nocturne badge]

for sure

i want to try a voidstrike building with warp nexus +blazing spirit

it might be bad, but i still wanna try

[feral verge]

I'd rather warp flurry 4 over transfer peril 3

[wide tiger]

my other one

and honestly, its meh compared to having flurry

pretty much need flurry

[nocturne badge]

does surge fire rightclicks?

[wide tiger]

yes

[nocturne badge]

dang

[wide tiger]

also the two original perks were t3 crit hit damage and t2 sprint efficiency, so yeah i had to lock in crit damage which is big sad

[feral verge]

I'm also considering just hording my crafting mats for whenever the force claymore comes out

[wide tiger]

I've raised so many force swords to blue in an attempt to get some tier 4 blessings i've all but given up on the FS, such a huge blessing pool

[wide tiger]

yeah i really really want that weapon

[feral verge]

You want it

[wide tiger]

Im stuck hording my crafting mats because i have no good items to raise

[feral verge]

I need it

[wide tiger]

ordo ducats are my limiter now

[sonic coral]

looking for a staff that isn't surge for damnation

[feral verge]

Same I've already raised everything

[wide tiger]

I cant get a good force sword

[sonic coral]

debating giving this a go

[feral verge]

I have great curios, great staff great sword

[wide tiger]

ive raised like 70~ blue force swords

and still have zero tier 4 blessings

[feral verge]

@sonic coral I shill voidstrike

[wide tiger]

nice

[feral verge]

But it needs warp flurry and transfer peril

[sonic coral]

this is my one voidstrike atm

[feral verge]

Not bad

[wide tiger]

i really enjoy trauma

[sonic coral]

I'll probably swap sprint to flak before I use it

Yea trauma is a grand time

[feral verge]

Trauma is the only other staff that interests me atm

I have a high roll one ready

[wide tiger]

surge and purgatus need to get their blessing pools looked at

they are barebones

[feral verge]

I think the perks on it are meh though

[olive ember]

malice gaming

[restive slate]

What's a good weapon to pair with Trauma? Other than FS and BM caxe

[feral verge]

@olive ember damn how'd you manage

Im still stuck on sedition low intensity

[wide tiger]

dueling saber is a pretty good weapon if you can get a nice rampage on it

you move fast and you get big dodges

[olive ember]

I know you are lying because I literally couldn't find a sedition lobby no players

[wide tiger]

other than the two you mentioned

[olive ember]

everyone in malice runs with the drip

its kinda a bruh moment

[restive slate]

Roger, all Duelling swords are good?

[olive ember]

mk V

[feral verge]

@restive slate I screenshotted this earlier

For future reference

Cuz I wanted to fuck around with the duelling swords

I've been buying all the highrolls in the shop

[restive slate]

Oooh

[wide tiger]

yeah MKV

[restive slate]

MK V has that overhead right?

[wide tiger]

I just like MKV because i find the dueling sword to be a fairly defensive weapon, and i find that MKV augments that the most, personal preference

you can totally go MKIV for better cleave too, i steer away from mk2

[restive slate]

Mk2 has a weird heavy combo haha

Unless I'm mistaken haha

[spice veldt]

stab and overhead iirc

[restive slate]

Yea a diagonal top left overhead

[feral verge]

Mkiv is the drippiest

I like the red tassel

[restive slate]

Tried to 2nd Heavy into light combo for horde clear with Mk 2, was weird and slow

[feral verge]

Duelling sword is big drip

Either make melee psyker subclass or give duelling sword to zealot pls fatshark

[restive slate]

Psyker duelling pose is rizz material

[spice veldt]

only the psyker should possess the power of drip

[restive slate]

"By my Incomparable Rizz!"

[feral verge]

fuck it

imma fuck around with duelling sword again

maybe upgrade one

lets see what i have again

[restive slate]

Though I am surprised, I'd have thought that Veteran may have access to sabres as shown in lore and games

I got a Duelling sword with Rending on Weakspot blessing, should I keep that?

[cold mesa]

BM tac axe :L

[wide tiger]

We got dueling sword, they got power sword

We negotiated reeeeally well.

[cold mesa]

rofl

[wide tiger]

I have tier 4 uncanny tier 3 rampage mk5 that I like

[feral verge]

yeah i got two upgraded swords

[wide tiger]

Ohh i like that purple one

pretty much a winner no matter what you roll on it

[feral verge]

same

i will change rit damage to flak

[wide tiger]

also that natural roll 25% unarmored perk on the first is nice

[olive ember]

the columnus actually feels aight in malice

thats kinda a bruh moment

[lofty sable]

i've never even used anything but the V. So the IX dueling sword is solid too?

[wide tiger]

I used infantry autoguns once.... and then was like nooo thank you.

[feral verge]

and then there's this

fuck it

imma upgrade this and the purple

see what i get

i got the mats

[wide tiger]

well the nice thing is theres only 5 blessings in the pool

so its not super hard to get something good baseline

[feral verge]

the purple

the grey

[leaden thunder]

the crit saber

[feral verge]

i think i prefer the purple one

[leaden thunder]

it's better yeah

[feral verge]

i can take shred off of the grey

[leaden thunder]

riposte is decent

it's about the same as shred but has different trigger conditions

[obtuse crypt]

dueling sword gonna become a whole new level whenever that blessing for refreshing dodge limit on weakspot hit comes out that's in the files

[feral verge]

hmm

riposte or shred for this?

keeping rampage

[safe crystal]

Are you still playing in malice? Mind if i hop in in ~30 minutes for that spicy double meta psyker\™?

[olive ember]

sure gimme a sec

[obtuse crypt]

one day

[olive ember]

in a game rn

[safe crystal]

Sending you my friend code

[olive ember]

look at how meta this build is

easiest malice game of my life

[cyan notch]

why are you playing windowed

[feral verge]

the duelling sword feels p good

[lofty sable]

V or IX?

[feral verge]

ix

[feral verge]

this

i'm gonna replace crit damage with flak or unarmored

[lusty wave]

Hello siblings

I need help

A very simple task if you will

I need someone to join me in a private match, and then die at the beginning

And that's it

Like we'll die

I don't have luck because the games has been full lmfao

Anyone care to help?

Damn nevermind

This is why yall get sent to the black ships

Because yall don't cooperate with each other

It be your own people smh

[robust meteor]

is this ok

is this also ok

sometimes i use this one

[olive ember]

Replace exorcist on FS

other wise its aight

ideally you want a higher level of warp nexus

idk about dueling swrod

[shadow wigeon]

warp flurry does not currenty work on surge

[robust meteor]

i have a second surge thats ready for that tier 3 blessing. that one is what im using until RNGesus

thats disappointing

[shadow wigeon]

Aye, sadly. Nexus and Barrage are both good.

I find

[lofty sable]

that is disappointing and also explains a lot lol

[shadow wigeon]

It works void for sure, and other have said work on traume, I beleive.

[cold geode]

yea, only works on trauma/void, not surge and purge

[dense panther]

finally got a good one! what should i change guys?

[lofty sable]

does transfer peril work on trauma?

[cold geode]

yes

[lofty sable]

I think people like the blessing that gives brittle on trauma but im not sure i havnt tried to make a good one yet

[dense panther]

gotcha

[shadow wigeon]

im not good at truama but that combo looks interesting. I found myself using primary with trauma a bunch

[spice veldt]

only on the LMB and if you headshot with a staff bonk

doesn't work on the RMB except when Kinetic Flayer procs a BB

t4 warp flurry is pretty good

[shadow wigeon]

Yeah I meant LMB seemed useful with Trauma, so transfer sounds ok

[spice veldt]

though keep in mind that trauma has a lower base dmg than voidstrike

oh wait nvm both their LMB scale the same

just that the RMB is different

[olive ember]

@spice veldt wanna join us in

MetaPsykerMomentTM

[spice veldt]

no; only because i refuse to use any other melee than the force sword

[olive ember]

smh

look at this unoptimal play

[spice veldt]

my b my b; i just want to avoid the meta

[feral verge]

vets lol

atleast these ones i was playing with

going melee on the assassination boss

when they have bolter

[lofty sable]

i try to use other melees but i keep going back to the brutal momentum axe

II tactical axe just feels so good

[olive ember]

I mean

the shield probably takes more damage from melee

[spice veldt]

takes 3x damage iirc

and 0.5x ranged damage

[feral verge]

ahh, didnm't know that

[spice veldt]

so melee is pretty much 6x more effective

[feral verge]

they were focused on horde clear

when me and the other psyker were already doing that

[olive ember]

Would anyone like to join the MetaPsykerExperienceTM

[feral verge]

go on

[olive ember]

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[feral verge]

low intensity sedition verified and approved

[safe crystal]

Hi5 actually

[jagged lance]

best blessning for a voidstrike staff?

[feral verge]

Thess

[marsh ermine]

Mega void IV

[jagged lance]

thank you buddy

[marsh ermine]

Makes all the void strikes

Extra mega

[forest coral]

Yes

[marsh ermine]

That's a real nice staff

[olive ember]

Alright guys

Which blessing you think I'll get

[safe crystal]

Trauma

[safe crystal]

Bricked

Might as well roll another one

[olive ember]

nah thunderstrike is amazing

along with the carapace damage crushers will learn to fear me

[sonic coral]

would you change either of these blessings? I do have a tier 3 deflector

[olive ember]

replace uncanny strike

[sonic coral]

obv keep slaughterer

[safe crystal]

I wouldnt, but its up to you

[sonic coral]

but uncanny strike, I dunno

[olive ember]

I would

you want bloodthirsty anyways if you wanna do a dmg FS

[safe crystal]

Well

If it was bloodthirsty

I would make a new sword

For that spicy blazing spirit

[olive ember]

the meme

Also

is it worth?

XD

[sonic coral]

hmm, alright, I don't think I have any bloodthirsty

[safe crystal]

Whats the value at 9%?

[olive ember]

bruh

[safe crystal]

Ah i see

[olive ember]

6.02%

low is 3.75% at the promised land of 100% warp res

This is my current purge staff that I never use

since i only use surge

[safe crystal]

So on full charge, you get 40% peril?

[olive ember]

I think? i never rly checked the stats

[safe crystal]

Thats, uh

Perfect

!

[restive slate]

Is Warp Nexus good on Surge Staff?

[safe crystal]

Better than everything else

[olive ember]

^^

[restive slate]

And I wonder if it's worth it on the other Staves

[olive ember]

Warp Nexus and Terrifying Barrage on purge and surge

[restive slate]

Okay fair hahaha

[fierce sinew]

have you seen the other staff blessings

[olive ember]

warp flurry and transfer peril on voidstrike warp flurry and rending shockwave or wte its called on trauma

[fierce sinew]

not exactly a competitive field

of alternatives

[restive slate]

I been playing mostly Voidstrike and Trauma and have Transfer Peril and Rending Shockwave on those

[olive ember]

btw @safe crystal I'm debating if the mg La is worse than the autogun

[safe crystal]

The mkIV?

[olive ember]

the mg Ia

cuz the autogun you can atleast hipfire spray into enemies for some effect

[safe crystal]

It has better sights, and can one shot headshot things

[olive ember]

mine cant

[safe crystal]

Idk, i can give it a spin

[olive ember]

its got a decent damage roll too

[safe crystal]

Still playing? I have time for 2 more, if we win the first one

[olive ember]

sure

Ima give the mg la a spin

[safe crystal]

This thing has a pretty spicy damage increase on far targets

[olive ember]

its still 2 headshots per kill tho

i think

[fierce sinew]

what's the speed level meta these days

I assume assassination 4 low intensity isn't it anymore

[forest coral]

Not hab dreyko anymore right

[olive ember]

low 5 with MetaPsykerBuildTM

ez game

bruh

[safe crystal]

How did i get

The most impactful player

[olive ember]

idek what my score is

[safe crystal]

[olive ember]

I mean you did solo that first section

when the two randos got downed

[safe crystal]

Oh right

[olive ember]

and I got stuck in a corner

[olive ember]

see that 2.6k enemies staggered

Thunderstrike OP

[safe crystal]

Below 100 damage taken

[olive ember]

how you feel about the mg Ia

[safe crystal]

Its a lot stronger than the auto imo

[olive ember]

hmm

it trades off the horde clear for better shooter dmg

yeah

if it had shit crosshairs it prob would be worse tho

[safe crystal]

I would still say its stronger than auto, even if the crosshairs were the same

[olive ember]

hmmm

[olive ember]

might be personal taste then

granted all I do is hip fire the damn auto and play terminator

welp lets end the session with the win

XD I apparently never played that map before, so one and done damnation clear

[quaint pollen]

i havent played psyker in 3 months. can someone give me the meta build for damnation+, weapons/blessings and feats please

[sonic coral]

does damage actually matter on purgatus

?

[safe crystal]

Nah

[quaint pollen]

70% dmg is probably like 16 primary dmg so not really

[sonic coral]

alright sweet, thanks

[safe crystal]

I usually play purgatus with 121112 talent tree, purg has crit + flak perks, only blessing that matters is warp nexus. For melee, mkV caxe, FS or mkV DS

[quaint pollen]

thanks brother

[forest coral]

Been playing around with chainsword

I think we’ve been sleeping on it

It’s like a fsword that deals better with hordes and bosses but worse against carapace but also has a much worse push attack

[quaint pollen]

i dont hate it

im still sour i cant fsword deflect revive

[forest coral]

I’m sad it’s gone, it was really strong tho

[quaint pollen]

can psykers have SOMETHIN tho

[forest coral]

The four staff builds you’ve been shoehorned into

[feral verge]

i rolled a new fsword

i like it more than i thought

the quipped one is the new one

no damage perks

but stam +block

more utility than damage

the thing already does enough dam for me, with slaughterer

[forest coral]

Is it noticeable damage diff without maniac and unarmoured?

I’ve never found stamina or blocking eff to be necessary on fsword but some people do like it that way

[feral verge]

it still two shots trash mobs

and two shots most maniacs with 1 special attack

2 at the most

[forest coral]

Hmm

[feral verge]

1 special heavy does that

[forest coral]

I think I’d still prefer +25% maniac

[feral verge]

im good without it

cuz i BB when they come in

and finish off with a special heavy if they get close

1 2 combo

[forest coral]

Yeah that’s perfectly fair

[vale trench]

i heard from pug they will buff psyker next week
The class needs better ult! Psyker ult is trash
Zealot & Vet ults gain toughness and toughness dmg resist
get them out of bad situation easily
psyker? Sometimes the ult dooesn't even hit what in front of him
no toughness gain no dmg reduction whatsoever

[forest coral]

I’m fairly melee focused so like to special on the move

[feral verge]

yeah ogryn and psyker are suppsoed ot get a small buff(s)

[feral verge]

yeah zealot and psyker are polar opposites

nearly every move of my psyker is calculated

zealot? nah my brain is almost off

im not saying zealot is for stupid ppl

[forest coral]

Psyker has much higher skill floor to start

[feral verge]

there's jsut little risk

[forest coral]

But the higher the difficulty the better this class is

[feral verge]

yeah

a psyker has to try 1000% harder to carry/clutch a round

[forest coral]

I prefer psyker over my zealot and vet in damnation because you cover an all round situation whereas most builds I’ve seen struggle hard with carapace

[vale trench]

that basically means the class sucks

And that's why I'm saying, the class needs better ult

[feral verge]

that's why on zealot i focus hard on carapace and bosses

[spice veldt]

eh, clutch potential depends on weapon selection as usual

[feral verge]

bolter for ogryns, thunderhammer for bosses

[spice veldt]

i think psyker is fine for clutching with purg/trauma

same as if a zealot had brought a bolter/flamer

[forest coral]

This too. High mobile weapons or antax on melee tend to be best at it

[feral verge]

it's still signifigantly easier for zealot or vet

[spice veldt]

zealot and psyker's ult allows us to mitigate bad positioning

[feral verge]

cuz all the thoughness, toughness regen

[spice veldt]

zealot's ult move them, and our ult staggers enemies

[feral verge]

staggers enemies sometimes

[spice veldt]

true

if i'm staggered, then my ult does nothing besides quelling

e.g., when I'm getting shot and really need to stagger the shooters

i don't really think that veteran is good at clutching besides having a pinning fire/rending bolter to DPS check the game

[feral verge]

most vet players don't seem to play all that well, under pressure

[forest coral]

I think vets good at ensuring the team doesn’t enter clutch situation

I dunno, the class feels hard to pull it off compared to everyone else due to the horrible stam regen they got. Again weapon choice pending

most clutches I’ve seen are from zealots> ogryns> psykers

[lethal lagoon]

It's a pure FPS class, so high skill cap.

[forest coral]

Can tell with who headshots and who don’t

[spice veldt]

enemies aren't mobile enough for the skill ceiling to be that high

[lethal lagoon]

The skill ceiling is borderline infinite, it's as I said, a pure FPS class. Faster and better aiming make a huge difference.

Hence why most vets are ass lmao

[spice veldt]

i doubt there's much of a difference of the performance of people with 1 yoe compared to people with 10 yoe

and i postulate that performance vs skill is bounded

enemies run straight at you

[lethal lagoon]

Better vet = ranged units fire less shots.

As for the enemies that run straight towards you, most of those aren't supposed to be the vets job, they just tunnel vision and let ranged destroy their team.

[spice veldt]

i'm not arguing that skill has no effect on performance

i'm just saying that enemies don't move enough for mechanical skill to matter too much past a certain point

it's not like enemies are ADAD spamming

[lethal lagoon]

I would describe the movement of a lot of the ranged mobs to be ADHD lmao

[spice veldt]

ADAD

moving left and right

[lethal lagoon]

Lmao

[quaint pollen]

finally maybe lucky. if this purg rolls t4 warp nexus or focused channeling for the orange blessing its 100% perfect

[uneven drift]

Does anyone know if they fixed transfer peril on trauma?

[river sand]

there is nothing to fix, explosion cant hit weakspot, only m1 can

[spice veldt]

and staff bonk

[river sand]

yeah but nobody ever uses thank

[near wyvern]

Kinetic flayer can proc it. Quell 5% peril every 10-15 seconds.

[viral solstice]

i dont actually have a columnus on my psyker

how is dis possible

emprah doesnt want me to have one

[near wyvern]

Columnus?

[viral solstice]

the high fire rate archetype iag

i wanted to do a shitpost but it turns out i dont have the shit

to make my post

[near wyvern]

F

[viral solstice]

if u said to somebody "columnus iag rashad psyker"

it would give them enough emotional damage

to power a small city

[near wyvern]

Just go to the lottery machine to pull out one

[viral solstice]

spent all my money

[near wyvern]

Why

[viral solstice]

have to farm my columnus

voidstrike staves

over 370

for consecration

[near wyvern]

There are freaking updates coming

[viral solstice]

who cares

i yolo

[near wyvern]

You farm the shop for 370

[viral solstice]

ive farmed like

30

360+ off brunt

[near wyvern]

You don't respect your own time

[viral solstice]

takes no time

im playing damnation anyway

[near wyvern]

Same here

I have over a million in bank

[viral solstice]

so what diff it make

[forest coral]

No bully crab

[near wyvern]

Waiting for the days when it's a really useful

[viral solstice]

but it is useful

ive made 30 brick staves

all beautiful

[forest coral]

[near wyvern]

Cause brunt gives shit and I need stuff that's 370 or more

What's the point of dumping my dockets for one 370

When the shop rolls a couple every hour for 17k

[viral solstice]

because the shop doesnt roll a voidstrike 370

in fact

it has literally neevr done so

because of basic probability for me

[near wyvern]

I have had multiple

[viral solstice]

yes

but the chance of a given 370 in shop

is very low

[summer prairie]

The shop, when you are lucky, gives you one free roll per hour with the same curve

[near wyvern]

I just buy every 370+ I see off the shop. Still generating dockets and then if I want to suddenly make a weapon I have a lot of 370 to roll

[summer prairie]

and if it's not grey/green, it already likely has bad blessing

[viral solstice]

sometimes u just gotta play da game

and let hadron fuk u

[bleak tulip]

shop doesnt seem to roll tier 3 blessings so its basically useless anyway unless you get very lucky on the consecrate and get the perfect one because the one it comes with is never gonna be optimal

I dont even check the shop anymore tbh

[summer prairie]

it still rolls t3s, but it's like a few % cahnce

[bleak tulip]

I have literally not seen it in over like 20 rolls

and then I just gave up

guess im just unlucky

or its basically just not worth the time its so rare

[summer prairie]

I mean it could be 1% or lower, but I saw one today

[quaint pollen]

if i rebless a weapon i can rebless it again later right

[summer prairie]

yes

[quaint pollen]

im adding a t3 blessing and i want to make sure

alright ty

[lament sonnet]

Going Out with a Bang is not nearly as hard as people made it out to be

[quaint pollen]

i tried setting it up for an hour and a half with friends didnt get it, queue solo and got it by accident

[lament sonnet]

All you gotta do is troll your team a little at the end of mission with a deliberate boom.

That cryonic rod mission is a good place for that

Those hoards at the end can be fucking thicc so you just spam until you go full migraine and you'll likely take out at least two ragers lmao

tbh, I'm just glad I got SOMETHING out of that mission cuz I crashed right before we left and got literally nothing else out of that time and energy

[viral solstice]

just do it to the hound condition bogs

theres like 69 of them

and they zerg

[forest coral]

Wait

Would those hounds count?

[lament sonnet]

Yeah of course

[quaint pollen]

whats best blessing duo on a surge staff?

[lament sonnet]

A lot of stuff counts, you just have to have enough of them around at once

[forest coral]

Brb gonna go kill myself

[lament sonnet]

Which is usually the tricky part

[river sand]

heyho, finally got a t4 flurry voidstrike. considering perks flak + what ?

[floral solstice]

yo wait up im coming with

[forest coral]

hi ranni

[floral solstice]

sup how's SEA

[tulip drum]

hi, would appreciate some reroll advice on this

elite to maniac? or carapace to maniac?

[olive ember]

replace exorcist

[tulip drum]

already 2 shots T5 crusher on charged headshot

[olive ember]

besides that it looks aight

[tulip drum]

yeah im waiting for a slaughterer

[tulip drum]

would you reroll the perks?

[olive ember]

honestly

not sure tbh

those seem pgood rn to help hit breakpoints

[tulip drum]

i almost 1 shot a rager on charged headshot...so im thinking 25 maniac would definitely put me over

[forest coral]

The foods lit, I’m having a good time

[still hearth]

Flak + Unarmored is my go to, ensuring shooter kills at lower charges is very nice

[tulip drum]

what's a good combo vs hordes for force sword?

[river sand]

combo like attack pattern or perks/blessings ?

[river sand]

yeah the staff has 20 unarmored and 10 weakspot. is weakspot too shitty to keep ?

[rocky cedar]

Does anyone here know how warp charge bonus damage fits into damage calc? I'm assuming it's a generic damage bonus, making it multiplicative with power bonuses like slaughterer, but additive with damage bonuses like rampage. Am I correct in this assumption?

[forest coral]

Light attack> heavy> animation cancel with rmb> light> heavy

https://streamable.com/u4i7l8

[river sand]

yep

[forest coral]

Works in mixed hordes up to carapace

And then ur better off finding openings to pick off carapace bois

[tulip drum]

great thanks!

what would you reroll for perks on this?

im thinking carapace -> maniac to 1shot dreg ragers

[forest coral]

You absolutely want slaughterer as a blessing

[river sand]

slaughterer for either of the blessings, deflector is overrated

[ornate hamlet]

unless it's a boost to "power" it's all multiplicative

[forest coral]

No slaughterer will make ur sword significantly less effective at hordes because of the stagger it has

[tulip drum]

i already 2shot crushers with 6 warp chargers without any perks...so I figure carapace isn't doing much for me

(upgraded this from green)

[rocky cedar]

Should be additive with other bonus damage like rampage right? That's how Zealot RC and Martyrdom works

Additive with damage bonuses

Multiplicative with power

[viral solstice]

[ornate hamlet]

i don't think so man, unless it's actually just giving more "power"

[river sand]

thats stupid

[viral solstice]

shot

chaser

[still hearth]

Yes always

[feral verge]

what could you put with slaughterer, instead of deflector?

[rocky cedar]

I'm confused, are you saying warp siphon is multiplicative with everything?

[forest coral]

Feel free to correct me

[viral solstice]

bloodthirsty for 100% crits, superiority is another power boost for more damages and wouldnt hurt, blazing spirit for memes, jorts

[ornate hamlet]

@rocky cedar did you see how much headtaker + decimator improves damage?
here's example (of course normally you wouldn't light attack but this is to show the power buildup)

[viral solstice]

power stagger isnt gonna hurt ur horde clear meaningfully

[feral verge]

oh yeah i forgot about that one

[viral solstice]

on a sword

[feral verge]

cuz i've never encountered it yet

[viral solstice]

like its all upside

ur weapon isnt triggering knockdowns even with full slaughterer stacks

[tulip drum]

how does bloodthirsty work?

you use the special attack

then you get 1 100% crit attack?

[viral solstice]

kill 1 enemy with special -> 5 seconds of blade mode

[rocky cedar]

Yes because they're bonus power, which is always multiplicative with damage bonuses

[tulip drum]

ohhh wow 5 seconds?

[viral solstice]

or 2 seconds or whatever the duration is

i forget

[rocky cedar]

But additive with other power bonuses

[viral solstice]

but yeah force sword version is 100% crits

instead of just one

which is sweg

[tulip drum]

awesome'

[forest coral]

I’m kinda just bout to take deflector off my fs as well

[viral solstice]

if ur force sword

isn't a fire sword

what u doin

[forest coral]

Crab please

[viral solstice]

FIRE SWORD

[forest coral]

Sienna is rolling in her grave

[viral solstice]

FIRE SWORD

[forest coral]

I wish it was a fire sword too

[viral solstice]

be the fire sword

[rocky cedar]

Crab can you help me out here with this damage calc stuff?

[viral solstice]

u want to see in the world

sure

what u need

[forest coral]

[rocky cedar]

Power and damage bonus multiplicative with each other yeah?

[viral solstice]

ok so very roughly the damage calc works like this

[rocky cedar]

Warp siphon is bonus damage

[ornate hamlet]

@rocky cedar
54 to 87 damage dude.
this is decimator III and headtaker III, so it's supposed to be raising power by
40%+20%
(60% of 54 + 54 = 86.4% and it is hitting for 87 so that adds up)

[viral solstice]

backstab and flanking damage are basically irrelevant btw

so dont worry

that shits additive and trash

raking fire

is basically about it

its there because vt2 i guess

but it has to calculate this buff shit

[rocky cedar]

Yes because those blessings both give power

Power is additive with itself

[ornate hamlet]

right, the power buffs are additive

but the rest are multiplicative

and they are applied before power is calculated as a multiplier

[rocky cedar]

Yes so warp siphon should multiply with power bonuses yeah?

[viral solstice]

and if u want a simple answer for how it works

its uh

[ornate hamlet]

so if you calculate anything that adds the base before power is calculated, it'll have a multiplicative effect, just not Purely multplicative

[viral solstice]

[rocky cedar]

Here's my example

[ornate hamlet]

and/or, anything calculated after power, will also have a multiplicative effect, it's just not purly a multiplier

[forest coral]

[viral solstice]

but yes broadly power done separately

as a general rule

%damage bonuses are all multiplicative unless they relate to 1) crits 2) weakspots 3) positional damage 4) they are the random blessings that use the word "damage" and are additive for no fucking reason

[rocky cedar]

Running an autopistol with pinning fire and blaze away gives +150% power. 6 warp charges is +24% damage so those should multiply out to 3.1x damage in total

Correct?

[viral solstice]

power buffs are all rolled into ur "power level"

[ornate hamlet]

it's not just adding the multiplier to power and then calculating,
it's changing the damage before/after power, which has a multiplicative effect it's just not entirely a multiplier, it's an additive effect on an already calculated value, which has a multiplicative effect it's just not going to multiply the damage as a PURE multiplier.

[rocky cedar]

2.5x1.24=3.1

[ornate hamlet]

essentially what i'm saying is the amount it is increasing your damage is somewhere between an additive effect and a multiplicative effect.

[viral solstice]

power is a separate multiplier step broadly

6 warp charges should be strictly multiplicative with power active unless they're implemented as a power bonus

[rocky cedar]

Ok so I won't get exactly 3.1x damage

[ornate hamlet]

because power is being applied before/after a calculated value that has had multipliers calculated already

[rocky cedar]

But I'll get more than 2.74x

[ornate hamlet]

so it'll be more helpful than an added multiplier, it'll be better than if it actually gave Power, but not as good as a true multiplier

[rocky cedar]

Ok

[viral solstice]

usually ur base power is base

so its virtually always just a multiplier

u dont have default power multis

u just have base power 550 or whatever random number they chose

[rocky cedar]

Yeah there shouldn't any other relevant bonuses involved

[ornate hamlet]

the bottom line @rocky cedar
is that it will help certain weapons with higher base damage much more than other weapons with WAY lower base damage

[rocky cedar]

So in this case it should just be multiplied

[viral solstice]

what

why does base damage factor in

[rocky cedar]

If you look at weapon damage calc for heavy Sword for instance head taker and rampage end up just straight multiplying by each other

So I figure this is a similar deal

[viral solstice]

yea

[rocky cedar]

But if you add in RC or Martyrdom those bonuses are additive with rampage

Because they're all in the same category

Bonus damage

[ornate hamlet]

example, lets just talk about a theoretical game where you added a
30% damage boost to a dagger, and a 30% damage boost to a greatsword.
the boost is helping each weapon equally right?
answer: no
the boost is helping both weapons by 30% multiplier, but the base damage on dagger lets say is only 3.
the base damage on the greatsword is 30.
the dagger is only getting 1 damage boost
the greatsword is getting a 10 damage boost.
does the greatsword swing 10x slower than the dagger? if so then the boost is equally helping each weapon.

in DARKTIDE however there are melee weapons that hit WAY harder and swing nearly as fast as their counterparts that hardly do any damage per swing comparatively.

in DARKTIDE, multipliers help harder hitting weapons signifcantly more than weapon like FS

(like axe)

[viral solstice]

uhh

[rocky cedar]

Yeah but it's the same % damage increase either way

[ornate hamlet]

and, axe happens to have some very strong blessings for power boosts

[viral solstice]

its just dps

u have just made the concept

of dps

more complicated and worse

both weapons get the same dps boost

[rocky cedar]

[viral solstice]

its that simple

[rocky cedar]

Yeah crab making a lot more sense to me here

[viral solstice]

and indeed if u go into meat grinder

kill 1 mob

[rocky cedar]

Besides I'm not comparing two different weapons

[ornate hamlet]

false.
they are only equally gaining a dps boost if the relative ATTACK SPEED of the weapons are equally balanced with their base damage, and in DARKTIDE that is not true

we're talking DPS

[viral solstice]

what are u talking about

i said

their dps increases by the same amount

what ur saying

in a stupid way

[rocky cedar]

Just the difference between having warp siphon or not

[viral solstice]

is "some weapons do more base dps than others"

yeah?

thats not a revelation lol

[ornate hamlet]

which is false, because you're using the term DPS which takes into account attack speed

[viral solstice]

r u trolling

anyway alsozara gets the point

they boostin

[rocky cedar]

Yeah my assumption seems to be correct

[ornate hamlet]

if both weapons have nearly the same attack speed, but one weapon hits WAY harder per hit,
their DPS aren't equal to begin with and a 30% boost does not help them each equally for that reason

instead, it makes the one that had more DPS to begin with have an even greater advantage over the one that has less to begin with (it worsens the margin by another 30%)

[rocky cedar]

An autopistol with 2.5x damage from power blessings should go up to 3.1x with max warp siphon

That's all I was really trying to work out

[ornate hamlet]

you're still trying to be a gun psyker?

[rocky cedar]

I'm trying to get the most out of autopistol generally and from damage calc it looks like Psyker gives it a noticeable boost as I thought it would

That's really all I'm trying to establish

Beat hi damn with it fine already so not really here asking for build advice

[ornate hamlet]

because of warp charges?

[rocky cedar]

Just trying to make sure I understand damage calc stuff correctly on Psyker

[rocky cedar]

Yes

[ornate hamlet]

at least our warp charges are 4% now, almost as good as in beta when they were 5% (and better than the 3% we've had to work with for most of the time since release)

i assume you're rolling 6 stacks then?

[rocky cedar]

Well I'm still tweaking and experimenting with feats

[ornate hamlet]

that's 20% extra dps with guns assuming you are maintaining the 6 stacks

[rocky cedar]

Essence harvest + communion + flayer was extremely comfy

[plucky perch]

doesnt the fact that theyre 4% hit some break points with some of our force weapons? like blaze bolts being a oneshot to infected and unarmoured horde torso's n such now?

[ornate hamlet]

i kinda doubt that compares to the advantages vets get using guns

[rocky cedar]

But definitely intend to experiment with warp battery

[viral solstice]

yeah but most vets are playing with their toes

so it ok

[ornate hamlet]

i always prefer psychic communion and essense harvest myself @rocky cedar
i'm purg+axe

[rocky cedar]

Vet doesn't get a built in answer to snipers, Bulwarks and Crushers and outside of Ult they're actually doing less damage than you with guns

[forest coral]

It was a milling accident

[rocky cedar]

Also I don't enjoy Vet generally

[idle bay]

Most accurate description i met so far 🙂

[rocky cedar]

So not too interested in build experimentation with them at the moment

[viral solstice]

like i just did double the damage of a vet in a damnation run with a recon lasgun build

dude had a bolter

how is that possible

answer: hes just kinda chillin

[ornate hamlet]

i really don't think it's worth sacrificing what we're capable of with staves for it

[idle bay]

If only it was possible to duct-tape auto-gun to any Force Staff.....

[rocky cedar]

From gameplay so far I disagree I think it's a very viable option and leads to an extremely flexible build

[ornate hamlet]

on average, vet players are the worst players imo as well

[viral solstice]

they really need to make blazing spirit 1 stack on noncrit x stacks on crit

that shit would be so much cooler

[rocky cedar]

I think you're underestimating how much damage autopistol shits out

[ornate hamlet]

ammo is a limitation tho

[idle bay]

Cool is not allowed by Fatshark

[rocky cedar]

It's like Purg but 3x more immediate

[ornate hamlet]

you cannot just fire freely assuming you are doing ok on peril

[rocky cedar]

At the cost of having ammo

[plucky perch]

solution? full auto force staff!

[wide tiger]

I really don't feel like ammo is a limitation, if you're looting the level ammo is so overabundant it seems like such a nonfactor

[ornate hamlet]

kinda depends on the group honestly

[plucky perch]

lemme machine gun blaze bolts

[rocky cedar]

Yeah I've been in ammo hungry comps and it hasn't been an issue

[ornate hamlet]

a lot of ogryn are ammo heavy

[wide tiger]

People keep using the "unlimited ammo" argument as a reason that psyker deserves to be kneecapped

[viral solstice]

u havent seen how hard i can hold da button

[rocky cedar]

You don't fire it into every horde

[viral solstice]

maybe u dont

[ornate hamlet]

if you're paired with vets and ogryn (that are ammo heavy on their build), ammo can be an issue for sure

[viral solstice]

COWARDICE

SHOOT DAYOMBIE

[rocky cedar]

It's just a tool for eliminating scary density extremely effectively

[viral solstice]

theres specific weapons that have ammo issues