Sometimes a small percent is all you need.
#psyker-class
devout belfry
spice veldt
since groaners and poxwalkers will die anyways
unless you want them to be dead particularly fast
still hearth
Maniac is at least against ragers
summer prairie
it's okay with AB
still hearth
And mutants have a lot of HP too but neither option is very impactful on Purge
spice veldt
and the myriad of specialists that are maniac
won't kill them but the extra damage helps
mostly for the flamers
winter hamlet
near wyvern
Maniac is at least against ragers
Dreg Ragers but not Scab Ragers
They must. At times I have been shot by a hair trigger sniper. There is no warning, just a shot as soon as the laser comes visible. This seems to happen most often when there is a corner or a door that opens.
still hearth
That is
Preaim
Where they charge a shot on someone else
But that person ducks into cover
And sniper then has a charged shot to hit you with instantly
near wyvern
Lovely
near wyvern
Well that might be it
still hearth
Where they aim at someone, they go behind cover and then they snap to shoot you immediately
near wyvern
Other thing might be that there are surfaces in the game that allow them to aim but not shoot, so they have been basically aiming for a while and the moment the LOS is allowed for a shot, laser comes visible and sniper fires
still hearth
And sniper laser can just
Detach
And not be where they aim
I've seen it disappearing entirely, even
viral solstice
ive seen some shit
sometimes they just spawn in
and drop somebody 0.5s lkater
just somebodys name goes on a contract
like in the time i look away
that sniper just shows up and rails that poor big boi between the hsoulder blades
chaos hunter bob
still hearth
There's two spawn doors there
viral solstice
WHY DO THEY ALWAYS TAKE OUR BEST
still hearth
solar cloak
Im in love with the voidstrike staff
idle bay
On Relay Station final part Sniper spawned right behind my back... but since he was in melee range - instead of shooting me - he kicked me in the back ๐
feral verge
Im in love with the voidstrike staff
best overall staff imo
idle bay
Im in love with the voidstrike staff
I love thae Psyker's Penance Bling is Unmatched by any other cosmetic that Karktide have!
solar cloak
Psyker has the best drip ngl
idle bay
Dungeon Master headgear ๐
idle bay
"Fisting 300$" (C)
solar cloak
Zealot penance armor
feral verge
what's your voidstrike look like
solar cloak
idle bay
I put my Voidstrike on shelf 900 missions ago and never touched it again
solar cloak
Kinda stupid how other staff skins can be applied to other staffs
baiting people to having surge but is actually a trauma staff
olive ember
I am awake once more
solar cloak
olive ember
so what are we arguing about in psyker chat this time
solar cloak
bowling ball staff is ready
olive ember
They must. At times I have been shot by a hair trigger sniper. There is no warni...
Honestly its a skill issue. You don't have the split second reaction time
I can dodge a sniper on sound alone yes yes
solar cloak
Might wanna switch up my FS thought for an Antax
leaden thunder
idle bay
Emperor protects, but Omnissia provides!
Lets Consecrate this thing
olive ember
I think the worst part is that I'm only half joking. I've actually started dodging sniper shots based off sound alone
leaden thunder
I have done it before
solar cloak
I think the worst part is that I'm only half joking. I've actually started dodgi...
So many queues for snipers like voicelines and even the red light
Just instinct to dodge
for me
leaden thunder
voicelines from who?
olive ember
except that stupid fucking vet
Traxis traxis traxis traxis... sniperrrr
like holy shit
by the time you said sniper I'm already shot
solar cloak
same goes for poxbursters, some of them take a while for the sound queue to pop up behind doors
olive ember
they have a global spawn sound tho
solar cloak
so when I hear the voiceline I stay away from doors
olive ember
so atleast you know one is coming
solar cloak
No like when they are behind doors
they make no sound
like the doors where ads and specials come out from
idle bay
So second Blessing in addition to T4 Surge on Void staff should be?
- T4 Warp Nexus
- T3 Transfer Peril
Help me to chose siblings ๐
lament sonnet
The only time I care about sniper fire i when the "NYOMP" Sound of it prepping to fire at you play
solar cloak
So second Blessing in addition to T4 Surge on Void staff should be?
1) T4 Warp ...
does surge affect secondary fire
wide tiger
So second Blessing in addition to T4 Surge on Void staff should be?
1) T4 Warp ...
with surge i have nexus... but i think flurry is prob still better
wide tiger
does surge affect secondary fire
yes
solar cloak
huh
leaden thunder
you sure
solar cloak
id go warp flurry
idle bay
Final Version
solar cloak
holy
lament sonnet
God I didnt even know that was a blessing
solar cloak
thats like 25% crit chance
idle bay
does surge affect secondary fire
As i said - i have not used Void in 900 mission at least, and only now got T4 Surge ๐
lament sonnet
Fuck sake
idle bay
I do like 545 total item rating ๐
Now i need to try that THING out.. it's being a while...
idle bay
That works on secondary fire?
It seems so - i hear double hit sound on crit on secondary attacks
lament sonnet
it'd be fatshark af if it didn't
idle bay
T4 Surge proc on Crits
To ease your minds, siblings ๐ It's working
And for secondary attack in few minutes
torpid olive
3 psyker team
Each with different staff
I have the flamer, one has the voidstrike the other has the shitty one
idle bay
T4 Surge for Secondary Attacks
torpid olive
I spend my time flaming hordes while they spend their time trying to do the same instead of popping heads on specials
of course we fucking wipe
idle bay
My job is done here - back to lazy Surge staff ๐
torpid olive
why are there so many psykers who think they can do nothing but use the staff?
olive ember
because I love zapping poxwalkers with my surge staff
it do the funny
also because if the gunners are tightly grouped up enough i'm p sure my surge overall does more damage
idle bay
I'm occasionaly put Vets to unberable shame when i playing Gun psyker
olive ember
I have the flamer, one has the voidstrike the other has the shitty one
which one is the shitty one care to specify ๐ (it isnt surge right? right...)
torpid olive
It's so incredibly frustrating to spend 1 out of 5 games failing
idle bay
Carry HARDER ๐
idle bay
Imagine that you have team of 3 suicidal teenagers - play around that
idle bay
I'm not 30 yet :(
You don't need to be lvl 30 to carry. You just need to pay attention to what is going on and react accordingly to situation.
olive ember
I mean
it def would help
25 + 30 are warp battery and ascendant blaze on purge build so
yea
idle bay
Decent headset and attention to sound cues will greatly improve you gaming experience in Darktide @torpid olive
near wyvern
25 + 30 are warp battery and ascendant blaze on purge build so
Press F to delete trash.
idle bay
@near wyvern with your deep understanding of Psykers help me to understand why i can't force myself to stop using: KInetic Flayer instead of Warp Battery and Kinetic Barrage instead of AB?
I know that those are great feats that allow to some good stuff.. but...
And i was using Quicken for 500+ missions before is switched to KB...
viral solstice
@still hearth sometimes u get some of DEES spawns u dig https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/Y0yg8C4U0gn2r/d1337LwIC7JI?invite=cr-MSxHVTAsMTU3ODYzOTYwLA
idle bay
<@123830341696880641> sometimes u get some of DEES spawns u dig https://medal.tv...
It's simple "dreamer" Psyker just dreamed it into existence
viral solstice
sadly we lost that on the final event when the server started lagging insanely
thank u eu servers
still hearth
<@123830341696880641> sometimes u get some of DEES spawns u dig https://medal.tv...
WARP MAGIC
near wyvern
<@345531303942291457> with your deep understanding of Psykers help me to unders...
Because kinetic flayer is both:
- reliable way to upkeep stacks without having to run communion
- a super good burst of damage
And 4 stack AB, even though it doesn't delete everything, weakens everything enough to be a functional grenade and deals enough knock back to stagger every mob that is hit and 4 stacks is so easy to come by that you can have a good ult whenever you need.
I myself like to run 4 stack AB as a nade and kinetic flayer just for the extra stack generation and then either Psykinetic's Aura for ult spam or cerebral lacerations for monstrosities, bulwarks and mutants.
I only use warp battery if I use something that heavily relies on inner tranquility.
wide tiger
prefer the 8% damage and extra peril resist from warp battery. only really use flayer for guns and pair it with cerebral lacerations
feral topaz
I've settled into my stun stick role comfortably
can other staffs be good? yeah probably
The other ones I got are even remotely ideal? nope
cant be bothered
idle bay
Because kinetic flayer is both:
- reliable way to upkeep stacks without having t...
Before i was using Quicken for prolonged shock-therapy session, giviing team more than enough time to kill everything that is not deep fried. Communion + KF playing into this strategy.
Now i love to have my Warp Charges and don't like to think about them - so switched Quicken to KB. That ironically helped me to get Pick and Mix penance without thinking about doing it. Also good when you need to dispatch few ogryns quickly of burst of boss damage.
Now after "Functional grenade" sentence from you.... i'm torn between good old Quicken and AB. And need to run with AB for a while to get the taste of it.
I'm very rare kind of Psyker player that:
- Enjoys using Quicken
- Considers Run and Gun on Surge staff as one of Best in Slot Blessings
wide tiger
I dont use ab either. prefer barrage
i already horde clear without effort dont need ab
still hearth
Before i was using Quicken for prolonged shock-therapy session, giviing team mor...
I love using Quicken but I also hate how Quicken works.
I'd run it for the CDR if it didn't also make the CDR go away
olive ember
sigh had a hi five with a purge psyker and flamer zealot and they still couldn't deal with the horde
feelsbad moment
ionic urchin
is it still surge staff or bust?
olive ember
didn't help the vet was running a bolter and I got fucked immediately buy a squad of shotgunners who spawned behind me
Purge technically is the carry but surge is still meta
ionic urchin
so ignore the 434 void in shop?
still hearth
Void is great fun
olive ember
wide tiger
Surge staff, imo, is entirely outclassed by trauma now
still hearth
Show it
olive ember
the zealot just spams "fix the interrogator" while theres an entire shooter squad
still hearth
I also much prefer Trauma over Surge
still hearth
Even just the CC aspect
olive ember
zero sense
ionic urchin
wide tiger
everyone praises the cc aspect of surge, killing things is better CC
still hearth
In fact Void even CCs things yeah
wide tiger
surge needs some help, needs more damage
idle bay
Consecrated in from grey. I mean.... two t2 Perks what are the odds! ๐ I spend my Omnissia's favor on that T4 Surge for sure ๐
still hearth
Surge needs to do more damage to tertiary+ targets
olive ember
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
olive ember
I'll take surge buffs
still hearth
And not do like 0 damage to most armor types
median elk
wide tiger
even if it did 10 targets instead of 5
it needs to do some damage
or you're just stalling
olive ember
Surge is amazing if you have a competent team
does feel shit when I'm stuck with retards
still hearth
XII is also amazing if you have a competent team
still hearth
Surge does do big dick DPS on flak and carapace
When you crit
But other armor types
wide tiger
i feel like something got borked when they factored in the crit bonus
it should apply to primary secondary fire, not the fucking useless melee they tacked onto it
ionic urchin
wide tiger
it really doesnt seem that way from my testing
wide tiger
this thing should be critting a hell of a lot. It doesnt
Also i had 10% crit damage and sprint efficiency before you get after me on that crit damage
still hearth
At least I'm pretty sure since it should be the same as Revolver. @viral solstice do you know if Surge crit stat works on the primary/secondary?
Do note
That Warp Nexus only gives the last two stacks
Over 97%
wide tiger
10% base, if theres some magical 18% bonus
still hearth
I should test mine.
clear hamlet
I've had 3 god staves today from brunts, 2 of them bricked on the first perk. Sadge
wide tiger
Yeah my limiting resource is ducats now
hybrid solstice
how is the dmg lower on the one like 200 ilvl up
rating is just the total value of your weapon's stat total, perks and blessings, if the green staff has higher damage it's probably because one of the base damage stats is higher
viral solstice
i get a lotta surge crits
wide tiger
Have you gone into the psyk and checked how much you crit? i definitely dont crit nearly as much as I should if that crit bonus is applying to my secondary fire
ionic urchin
so the dmg % is entirly what makes uyp the dmg? the rating is just overall stats?
wide tiger
I'll be honest, I haven't used my surge much since december
wide tiger
ill go do some testing
wide tiger
i agree, but im still curious maybe they fixed crit bonus on it
olive ember
hybrid solstice
so the dmg % is entirly what makes uyp the dmg? the rating is just overall stats...
blessings and perks also contribute to damage, but perk damage only applies to respective enemies and blessings usually have some sort of prereq before they actually kick in
wide tiger
that's with nexus going ham too lol
i'll admit the primary fire seems to crit a fair amount
viral solstice
it only crits o n the final tick no
still hearth
Yeah its either all crit damage or no crit damage I'm pretty sure
olive ember
Its like taking an autopistol, shooting it at carapace and going "holy shit it doesn't do any damage"
wide tiger
im looking for crits right now
wide tiger
not doing stupid damage testing
the final tick is the only thing that crits, thats fine, but im still getting very few
viral solstice
yeah should be about that
olive ember
thats what I get atleast when screwing around in the meat grinder
wide tiger
also the fact that only the final tick crits... isnt that bad?
should it be all the ticks, like everything else?
if you crit a burst shot from the vraks mkIII its all crit
olive ember
doesn't rly matter tbh
wide tiger
if you crit a force sword hit even the initial ticks crit
I mean i guess, its just damage off the table
but when you do shitall damage i guess it doesnt really make a big diff :p
hybrid solstice
idk why you guys think the surge is a terrible staff tbh
i like surge but to me it feels like it is less universally useful than void or purg
viral solstice
crits improve ur damage vs 2 classes on surge secondary
infested and unarmoured
its horde clear
wide tiger
crits arent even very good, 500 to a crusher, 600 with a crit, pretty meh
viral solstice
yeah look at the table
wide tiger
would be nice if crit bonus really amped that up
clear hamlet
Surge makes me feel like a sith lord and this pleases me
wide tiger
yeah kinda seems strange
still hearth
Isn't that mostly because crits give some part armor pen
And it does trash damage to infested and unarmored
viral solstice
its got a weird damage profile
olive ember
Meh maybe its because I play with a flamer zealot
viral solstice
pretty unique
wide tiger
If i were to put forth a candidate for staff buffs, it would be surge
viral solstice
they could have designed it so its baseline f unctionality is good vs armour
and then u get a bit of damage vs horde sprinkled on top as a cherry
wide tiger
Also would be nice if surge and purge had some you know, unique blessings
wide tiger
yeah exactly
still hearth
Well
They buffed Flamer
So its not like they're not buffing S tier weapons anyway
olive ember
Fatshark please make it instant nuke everything it touches
still hearth
But Surge CC doesn't feel worth the damage for me
It would be insane on Zealot though
Getting to play melee and just hot swap to CC shit
runic hornet
surge isn't great anymore now that trauma doesn't cost 999999 perils
olive ember
It's a niche application but when you join a game with a purge psyker and a flamer zealot bringing a surge to stunlock the double mutant + trapper + poxhound + double pox burster is nice
wide tiger
Why would i ever use surge staff on a zealot when i can heavy sword everything to shreds
still hearth
I love the two gangs here
runic hornet
trauma has hardknockdowns AND clears trash
runic hornet
I was a proponent of trauma even before its buff
Now I believe it's optimal
olive ember
I'd rather bring a purge
runic hornet
hard knockdowns are priceless
still hearth
And Purge is just nasty
olive ember
only thing trauma got goin for it is the ability to stun ogryns
still hearth
Trauma doesn't suck against hordes
runic hornet
it stuns ogyrns AND wipes all the trash so that your teammates are safe to run all around it and finish it off
runic hornet
surge staff can hold an ogyrn but then the horde takes 10 seconds to clear anyway
olive ember
tbf its also infinite ammo and synergizes I with psykers kit alot better than zealots
wide tiger
Infinite ammo
thats such a tired thing
Everyone has infinite ammo just loot the level
runic hornet
purge losing LMBs for suppression is a huge loss
don't knock it, it's actually ridiculously potent for this
olive ember
https://discord.com/channels/727074276724965407/1046913589614747719/108166711204...
@still hearth typical zealot player?
still hearth
I mean its more infinite than Flamer
runic hornet
throw a single staff LMB at a rifle squad and they waste several seconds repositioning
still hearth
But you can easily do an entire game with Flamer and never run out of ammo
wide tiger
really easily if you're looking for that tasty plasteel
olive ember
I mean when you have two auto pistols and a flamer (because omg autopistol so good!)
runic hornet
something about the generic staff LMBs makes enemies run around in circles, I think it might be because it's a slow moving projectile
olive ember
ammo suddenly becomes an issue
lethal folio
Most guns have a hard time running out of ammo unless you pull them out on every engagement.
wide tiger
Yeah
still hearth
Pull out that juicy melee
olive ember
I run thammer on my flamer (now autopistol) zealot
still hearth
But Purge does speed up clear more since you just always spray it
wide tiger
I just do heavy sword and vraks mkIII and vet ult if i need to kill a crusher
vet ult with the vraks, i should clarify
cause thats a thing
err not vet, zealot
wide tiger
well it turns crusher to flak armor, and vraks just eats flak
olive ember
I mean surge doesn't do damage but on damnation up you can def feel it imo
especially hi 5
still hearth
Because your ult gives some funky bonuses for sure
olive ember
Something about armor downgrade apparently
still hearth
+25% melee damage (one melee hit), 100% melee crit (one melee hit), downgrade armor (regardless of weapon)
wide tiger
makes you wonder if there was some point in time where zealot ult was meant to have some sort of ranged augmentation
Last i checked it doesnt downgrade on melee hits, you just crit?
leaden thunder
armor downgrade isn't a thing
wide tiger
it 100% is
leaden thunder
nope
wide tiger
yep
leaden thunder
it's still carapace
viral solstice
but your melee hits dont downgrade armor so ???
they do
still hearth
Its
viral solstice
heres how the armour downgrade works
still hearth
Downgraded to function as the lower tier
leaden thunder
you just deal damage to it
viral solstice
theres 2 different ways ur damage is calculated vs armour
still hearth
But it still counts as that armor for damage bonuses
viral solstice
theres the actual "armour damage reduction" calculation
still hearth
Yeah
viral solstice
this is what is downgraded
this is where it goes "how much % do u lose or gain based on ur damage profile"
zealot ult, specifically, is a keyword called "armour penetrating" which moves carapace to flak and flak to unarmoured and does nothing else
specifically for that calculation
the damage buffs section of the calc
where ur vs armour bonuses are applied
stays the same
and ye it applies for the single hit u do with ur melee weap too
leaden thunder
viral solstice
which i very occasionally get used from
still hearth
It does help a lot for Knife on carapace
leaden thunder
thanks for further clarification
viral solstice
tbh when i read it
i was like
why does it work this way
its the only keyword ive found
leaden thunder
my main deal is that saying it straight up downgrades it can lead to other false assumptions
viral solstice
like at some point somebody was like THERES GONNA BE THIS KEYWORD SYSTEM
yeah that happened a lot with crushers and rending
like "if i have 100% rending do they become unyielding" and shit
the hitbox always keeps its label!
lethal folio
There's also dumb stuff like rending_armor_conversion which doesn't actually have anything to do with rending.
viral solstice
have u had a look at the vicious slice blessings
u remember they said it got buffed to 8%
lethal folio
It gives stagger power
viral solstice
impact only baby
and when they buffed it
somebody went into the code and changed those numbers
so they must know it doesnt do anything
olive ember
claw sword
leaden thunder
it just gives impact and not damage
olive ember
wide tiger
with a crappy brunts armory vraks mkIII i go from 25 damage on carapace, to 450 with my ult
feels like my flak bonus is definitely being applied if i had to break it down further
still hearth
You can check the calculator for a rough estimate
lethal folio
Perk mods don't change.
viral solstice
vraks got a lotta flak damage baseline
wide tiger
Yeah this is a grey there are no perks
wide tiger
that must be single fire of the three shot burst
still hearth
Yes
wide tiger
im using a garbage vraks right now
still hearth
Its per bullet
olive ember
yo does the dueling sword have a movement tech still?
still hearth
What was the movement tech before?
spice veldt
the movement tech before was just light attacking I think
sprint light attack into a slide
force sword also used to have it with heavies
running heavy -> slide
torpid olive
is Kinetic Flayer worth it for Purgator?
olive ember
XD
lethal folio
There are a lot of reasons you shouldn't.
safe crystal
BiS 
olive ember
Now I just need to roll for my devils claw
spice veldt
I take no responsibility for what has happened
olive ember
Gotta run some more damnation games to get the plasteel
olive ember
lmao
devout briar
NVM, I just realized it's not zealot chat lmao
olive ember
its fine you can run it on zealot too
devout briar
That would be quite masochistic
olive ember
damnation approved
we've had 3 separate people here run this build
works on all forms of damnation including hi intensity
devout briar
olive ember
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devout briar
Don't tempt me, satan
supple skiff
second feat line with zero utility lol
olive ember
and I didn't record but you gonna have to take my word for it
works in damnation
psyker chat approved
MetaPsykerBuildTM
supple skiff
any of you run a void with functional warp flurry and quell yet?
devout briar
Fine, I'll bite
What's so worthwile about Columnus
supple skiff
shit like that is makes a mf fall to chaos
olive ember
any of you run a void with functional warp flurry and quell yet?
void always had functional warp flurry + quell
supple skiff
quell yes, flurry was bugged
olive ember
Fine, I'll bite
What's so worthwile about Columnus
Thats the neat part
devout briar
north cradle
Chad team en route
olive ember
until the ogryn and vet get downed instantly and the zealot is running an autopistol and we can't deal with mixed hordes
(true story)
lethal lagoon
Vets just there to pick up crafting materials, he can down all he wants.
spice veldt
i love zealot teammates because they always run in
and take the bullets that my weak-armed psyker would normally take
i have a game where I only took 200 damage even though I ran in with them because they took all of the aggro and they all had about 1k
lethal lagoon
Alternatively, Vets with camo means 99% of shooter aggro is now on Psyker because shooters target people with ranged weapons.
Zealots all the way
olive ember
I mean I got the donโt take damage achievement on my psyker while playing heresy assassination
Still havenโt gotten on overwatch
feral verge
i had a high int damnation run with ogryn, vet and 1 other psyker
i only took 125 dmg
ogryn took all the dmg for the team p much
near wyvern
any of you run a void with functional warp flurry and quell yet?
Yes, I have a 375 with T3 transfer peril and T3 warp flurry
But after running some 20 games with it I still prefer my Trauma
Saves you from those 4 Ragers 3 crushers situations
feral verge
yall ever wanna jsut be held?
north cradle
Every damn day
olive ember
Saves you from those 4 Ragers 3 crushers situations
Run surge ez pz
ebon smelt
Hey people, i started playing psyker and i was wondering if you all have some nice tips and tricks for our spark head playstyle
rich rose
Hey people, i started playing psyker and i was wondering if you all have some ni...
Pay attention. ๐ Its not nearly as easy as the other character types. Learn all the staffs. All.Of.Them
ebon smelt
right now i am using the thunder one, dont really remember the name
leaden thunder
surge
olive ember
Ah surge
olive ember
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1079940837674323998/image.png
What I run for surge
Itโll be a good starting point if you keep using surge
rich rose
and that's it
Completely disagree. Its CC for sure in Damnation, but it also has a single shot reach across the room
ebon smelt
from the one that i know i am mostly interested in the flame thrower and surge
olive ember
I mean every other staff can do that besides purge
leaden thunder
the surge is fine
but it's main deal is cc
and that's like all it really brings over the other ones
olive ember
Flamethrower and surge play rly differently btw
Atleast from my experience as a surge main
rich rose
Purge has zero distance reach so no, not all staffs are the same
leaden thunder
the purge also damages functionally infinite targets within it's radius
olive ember
Surge you play backline, with your head on a swivel for priority targets to either stun or BB
Purge you run more frontline via flamethrower, you use a different build as well
Less BB more horde clearing
rich rose
Void is my fave
viral solstice
voidstrike got surprising amount of cc worth noting
rich rose
but surge is what I use for Damnation
viral solstice
knocks down poxbursters etc
olive ember
Every staff is useable on damnation
I do prefer surge because it offers something no other staff can which is โfk those mutantsโ
ebon smelt
What sort of melees are better on the psyker Right now i am using what i can get, but what should i aim for
viral solstice
probs the standard set of options people want is a bunch of force swords in the hope of getting a nice roll with stuff ppl can want (Deflector/slaughterer/bloodthirsty to taste), a brutal momentum antax V with good rolls (boring safe choice), and then really its whatever u like
olive ember
Antax for horde clear FS for utility, dagger/dueling sword for movement
viral solstice
those are the 2 most commonly used id imagine tho
force sword more because its the coolest and most psyker melee
and has a bunch of random things u can do with it
olive ember
If you want super โmetaโ you want force sword with purge staff, antax with surge staff
rich rose
What sort of melees are better on the psyker Right now i am using what i can get...
I run duelling sword with cleave, so II and IV I believe
rich rose
If you want super โmetaโ you want force sword with purge staff, antax with surge...
Curious, why Antax with surge?
long wharf
horde clear
fierce sinew
antax is meta with everything
long wharf
seriously
olive ember
Horde clear
fierce sinew
tbh
long wharf
it's so damn good
rich rose
I like it, never run it would surge so I'll try it
long wharf
it has zero shortcomings when used properly
long wharf
that's fine, I hate the FS moveset
olive ember
But in terms of โmetaโ you would want an antax
long wharf
every time I give FS another try, I always end up concluding it's just not as good as antax mk v combat axe
psyker needs a subclass that can turn all melee weapons into force weapons
fierce sinew
fine pretty much sums up FS, it's not bad or anything
blissful crypt
FS is more utulity than weapon
fierce sinew
yeah
spice veldt
being able to quell with non-force melee would be a decent change
fierce sinew
the stuff it gives you that you don't get elsewhere is deflector, infinite dodge limit and so on
olive ember
FS does shine in particular with purge staff because purge covers the horde clearing
spice veldt
with uncanny strike
viral solstice
ok tomorrow ill wear a columnus while farming plasteel just to prove that jorts never go out of fashion or something
olive ember
ok tomorrow ill wear a columnus while farming plasteel just to prove that jorts ...
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rich rose
antax is meta with everything
What Blessings are preferred on Antax?
olive ember
Brutal momentum and I think headtaker or shred or something like that
long wharf
being able to quell with non-force melee would be a decent change
I've thought from the beginning that psyker should be able to actively quell with all weapons
long wharf
What Blessings are preferred on Antax?
limbsplitter is #1
ebon smelt
the amount of time that i charge with surge and purgatus matter?
long wharf
push attacking breaks and restarts attack chains
long wharf
so edgy
leaden thunder
push attacks aren't that good
long wharf
uhh
leaden thunder
yes
long wharf
yes they are?
leaden thunder
no
it's worse then just lights
at hoard clear
it's "safer" sure
but w/e
just use headtaker
long wharf
what makes lights better for horde clearing?
olive ember
Woo psyker argument again
spice veldt
push-attacks only damage 3 targets
olive ember
fight fight fight
spice veldt
and deal 0 to the rest
leaden thunder
headtaker gives the same power
and doesn't make you basically lose the rest of your moveset
visually the push attacks look like they should clear better
but they don't
long wharf
and how many targets is the light swing hitting?
long wharf
I'm gonna need to see a video of that in action to compare
leaden thunder
long wharf
because even if the push attack is only hitting 3 targets, it's killing those targets
leaden thunder
it's the same profile it jsut stops at 3
spice veldt
with a 74% damage antax, i deal 34 minimum bodyshot cleave damage
long wharf
I also have never had a problem killing ragers in a horde that I'm killing with the push attack
leaden thunder
light profile
spice veldt
sure, but 34 damage isn't totally trivial in the larger scheme of killing a horde
leaden thunder
push attack profile
long wharf
it is if you still have to do multiple swings to kill those same targets
leaden thunder
throw in push attacks
it's good for hoard control
but spaming jsut that isn't optimal for clear speed
olive ember
I mean the argument is whether or not limb splitter is good
olive ember
The old reasoning was that psykers should be spamming push attacks which apparently isnโt true
leaden thunder
limpsplitters use case is spaming psuh attacks
olive ember
Itโs a mix right?
leaden thunder
which isn't optimal
long wharf
you can also heavy hit, block to reset the attack chain
fierce sinew
limbsplitter is good regardless of whether or not you're push attacking
long wharf
that's what I do
leaden thunder
why would you use limpsplitter when headtaker exists
long wharf
especially since the power penalty after first attack is now -10% across the board
fierce sinew
push attacking is the lowest apm way to use it, not the only way
long wharf
I just chop, block, chop, dead
fierce sinew
because +25% all the time
leaden thunder
bottom line, being forced into spaming 1 move
is bad
weapons have a whoel ass moveset
fierce sinew
it's not bad if it's more damage
olive ember
I love psyker chat arguments
leaden thunder
and when another blessing can give you the same damage
fierce sinew
you can not like it, that's fine
olive ember
Never change
leaden thunder
with no downside
sly matrix
Keep?
leaden thunder
it's only more damage for like
5 hits, idk if headtaker mutli stacks
but minium 5 hits
after that headtaker is better
weary idol
Compromise and use limbsplitter and headtaker at the same time
spice veldt
here's a video of BM lights
https://streamable.com/embedo
leaden thunder
then you don't have bm
spice veldt
here's a video of a BM push-attack
https://streamable.com/xy9mi4
fierce sinew
that's not a compromise, that's the high damage at the cost of cleave option
sly matrix
shame about the mobility but its a pretty high stat force sword
should I keep?
lethal folio
north cradle
Best game I've had as Psyker
fierce sinew
limbsplitter and headtaker get along great, it's decimator that anti-synergizes
spice veldt
should I keep?
yeah, you don't often get high rolls
even if you don't like the stat distribution, you can use it to farm for higher tier blessings
leaden thunder
the initial reason for the push attack spam
was becuase you can block with peril
so your stamina doesn't matter
long wharf
here's a video of BM lights
https://streamable.com/embedo
this just proves my point about why hitting multiple targets with light is irrelevant
olive ember
limbsplitter and headtaker get along great, it's decimator that anti-synergizes
Tbf you want brutal momentum so you wonโt take both like ever
long wharf
unless you're getting something out of per-hit, I'd rather just kill what I am hitting
spice veldt
well that's your personal preference
leaden thunder
like lights are
long wharf
oh boy, it sure is
spice veldt
but we're talking about clear speed
lethal folio
And push attack is flat out worse at doing the killing
long wharf
you didn't clear anything with that light attack
leaden thunder
olive ember
should I keep?
Mobility is the dump stat thatโs pretty much a BiS FS stat wise
spice veldt
34 damage > 0 damage
leaden thunder
it killed one of them
spice veldt
it's as simple as that
leaden thunder
the push killed none
long wharf
so the one kill per swing is better than three kills per swing now?
leaden thunder
?
spice veldt
what 3 kills mate
long wharf
sibling, you've been in the warp too long
long wharf
against a horde I most certainly am
leaden thunder
that is factual
long wharf
because I make sure I'm hitting heads
spice veldt
you realize that the 3rd light is a true horizontal
don't you
and the push-attack isn't a true horizontal
fierce sinew
Tbf you want brutal momentum so you wonโt take both like ever
yeah, it's giving up the horde control on the weapon to optimize for single target damage
leaden thunder
that's not enough
spice veldt
the first target i hit with my push attack takes 188 damage
leaden thunder
limpslitter 4 is what 25%
fierce sinew
yes
spice veldt
the first target i hit with my push attack takes 279 damage
patent steeple
why can we not get along? or more accurately, why is psyker chat full of people who cannot seem to agree on optimization options? as someone who got psyker to 30 before any of the other 3 classes, this is making me kinda upset...
olive ember
Welcome to psyker chat
spice veldt
so lights do more damage than push-attacks to the first target you hit
leaden thunder
this is a case of missinformation that was spread
spice veldt
pfhoenix is the one not agreeing with the fact of the matter
weary idol
I like the staff v gun arguments personally
leaden thunder
why can we not get along? or more accurately, why is psyker chat full of people ...
this one in particaluar was born of some misinformation, rather then actual optimization
olive ember
GUN PSYKERS ARE TRASH
fierce sinew
limpslitter 4 is what 25%
so at full stacks your repeated heavy 1s get +50%
leaden thunder
what stacks
olive ember
Iโd assume headtaker
fierce sinew
I'm talking about the single target specialized limbsplitter+headtaker axe
fierce sinew
limbsplitter 25, headtaker 25
fierce sinew
and you don't have to maintain it
lethal folio
Decimator takes a long time to stack up and drops quickly.
fierce sinew
3.5 seconds is more maintainable than decimator
leaden thunder
i'd rathe take thrust for a single target axe
if you wanted thrust + limpsplitter for that then sure
idc
it's the push attack spam thing that is bad
fierce sinew
don't you have to full charge the heavy to get full thrust damage?
leaden thunder
nah
fierce sinew
how long for full effect
leaden thunder
even a regular heavy gets the first stack
which is like 20%
it stacks quite quickly afaik
leaden thunder
so you are normally getting at least 20%-40% damge
olive ember
Thrust is meta on thammer for zealot
leaden thunder
bigger bonkage
fierce sinew
uncharged 20% is worse than 25 obviously, but I haven't messed with thrust breakpoints enough to know if there's a charge time that makes it worth
uncharged and full charge aren't
but something in between might be
leaden thunder
it's worse then 25% yeah but it also doesn't need to be maintained
which I assume is the big bonus to this with limpsplitter
fierce sinew
25 from limbsplitter is free, I consider 3.5 seconds from headtaker to be free as well
decimator is a bit of a headache
leaden thunder
deci isn't great in practice
unless multihits stack it up more
but I don't think they do
Ithink that's just shred that does that
fierce sinew
I'm kind of curious now, does anyone know what the stack times are on thrust?
lethal folio
You get max stacks on autorelease.
edgy hearth
So I haven't seen a T4 blessing in forever. Is there some trick to farming them? Also I can't find more than Slaughter T2
olive ember
bigger bonkage
Isnโt the argument that thrust has 3 stages of charging and the first stage procs the moment you start a heavy, so itโs a free damage boost
fierce sinew
what's the 2 stack time, specifically?
leaden thunder
Isnโt the argument that thrust has 3 stages of charging and the first stage proc...
that as well
runic hornet
thrust seems to hit max really fast
leaden thunder
also the Thamer heavies alot
olive ember
So I haven't seen a T4 blessing in forever. Is there some trick to farming them?...
Pray to rngesus, look in melk shop for t4 blessings
runic hornet
long before you're forced to attack
I'm fairly certain it's one of the most consistent damage boosts you can get
edgy hearth
Pray to rngesus, look in melk shop for t4 blessings
Melkies not gracious unfortunately
sly matrix
Can it be saved or should I just throw it to the trash?
runic hornet
i have thrust level 4 on an antax and it's very noticeable how it lets me one hit elites/specials
olive ember
Can it be saved or should I just throw it to the trash?
โฆ
Iโm sorry for your loss
sly matrix
Iโm sorry for your loss
spice veldt
f blessings; but if the stats are better than anything else you currently have, you can replace superiority with slaughterer
olive ember
No deflector tho
spice veldt
depends; i prefer mobility
fierce sinew
the other downside of thrust obviously is you don't get that damage on anything besides heavy attacks, but for a bossing specialized weapon that's not a dealbreaker
if the 2 stack time is good enough
olive ember
if the 2 stack time is good enough
Tbh thammer basically only uses heavies
Atleast where it matters
fierce sinew
I'm still talking about antax, where lights matter for muties etc
olive ember
Oh yeah
leaden thunder
tbh hopefully that wierdness with the lights on muties gets fixed
it seems like a bug to me
long wharf
Can it be saved or should I just throw it to the trash?
Hadron massacred your boy, there
sly matrix
Hadron massacred your boy, there
not worth saving?
long wharf
I wouldn't bother
fierce sinew
it seems like a bug to me
if it's not a bug it's certainly weirdly unintuitive, they've talked about using critical and weakspot scaling differences being used to create distinctions between weapons but not light/heavy attacks as far as I'm aware
olive ember
Praise the Omnisiah she screams as she smashes your force sword into pieces
fierce sinew
hopefully the change (if it does come) isn't to bring the light attack down in line with the heavy attack
olive ember
Are we excited for the psyker โbuffsโ
spice veldt
transfer peril works with weakspot staff bonks
maybe they'll add quelling with non-force weapons
since the removal of the fast passive quelling for non-force weapons in the last update was quite a sore point
olive ember
maybe they'll add quelling with non-force weapons
Hard cope
Mostly because my FS ass doesnโt benefit from that so
spice veldt
equipping a non-force melee causes it to disintegrate, deleting it from your inventory
near wyvern
Are we excited for the psyker โbuffsโ
Not before we know what they are
spice veldt
how is lights out hab dreyko still on the god damn mission board
hard oyster
So shouting with fire seems less impact full than I expected
Is the fast BB considered "better" at hi 5 n 4?
feral verge
warp battery is reccomended to get the best out of ascendant blaze
and you need to have max warp charges
olive ember
Depends on the build and the player
For the most part ascendant blaze is used on purge staff with warp battery
Otherwise KB is the default choice
hard oyster
Okay yeah I'll watch my stacks more before hitting F non-reactionarily
hard oyster
Thanks for the help, I just want to be a better psyker for my sane friends
leaden thunder
6 stacks is enough to kill all non elite shooters I belive
hard oyster
Oh ok
leaden thunder
on ascendant blaze
olive ember
Yeah AB is best utilized with dealing with packs of normal shooters
Since you can apply burn to everything in a cone up to 40 m in front of you
olive ember
Is it 40m or is it 30m
leaden thunder
whole screen lights up
olive ember
Donโt remember
leaden thunder
30 I think
olive ember
Damn they need to change it to 40
hard oyster
Is running damage resist from gunners on your curios worth it?
olive ember
Think itโs meta but not too sure
leaden thunder
it's better thne a lot of options
hard oyster
I can't seem to find anything else -_- but also. I hate bullet
leaden thunder
it only helps against the elite gunners
and reapers
not the little shooty guys and shotgunners
hard oyster
Oh
Like the shooty guys n shotties are where most of the bullet damage comes from why
Would they make it not work
leaden thunder
but not dying against a reaper in a spot that you can't reach is worth the curio slot
since those will shred you if you aren't careful
yeah idk why it doesn't at least work against shotgunners
hard oyster
This game is terrible for readability man
leaden thunder
100%
like rending shock wave blessing
which doesn't apply rending
but it used to say it did
but still didn't
hard oyster
Weird
hard oyster
Oh. Like we are support
long wharf
because the lead dev at FartShart is on record saying he hates min-maxer players and likes creating arbitrary names and confusion specifically to combat min-maxers
still hearth
But Brittleness is kinda bad since it caps at 40%
still hearth
because the lead dev at FartShart is on record saying he hates min-maxer players...
Why even have systems then
long wharf
brittleness isn't bad, just understand you can't stack more than a certain amount
still hearth
You can make combat games that are fun
long wharf
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
hard oyster
By definition a min maxer will.scour the resources avalible to him n then minmax...
Dumb ideas.
still hearth
Yeah idk
leaden thunder
doesn't rending/brittleness not even boost truama's damage?
still hearth
I'm glad I'm aiming to develop my own game(s)
hard oyster
Breaking games is a core part of playing them
leaden thunder
wat
still hearth
Yeah it does like 60% to infested or something
hard oyster
Immune to traumatization.
Shitty childhood lol
still hearth
According to the calculator
It does full damage to all armors
Except Unyielding I think
No
Its infested
Yeah infested take 285, everything else takes 380 from maxed Trauma
leaden thunder
is that just under 1 shot for poxies?
leaden thunder
that's dumb
still hearth
I mean with Warp Charges
It doesn't matter as much
Bit it makes charging against them crucial
Since you need full charge to one-shot
You need
Roughly 90% charge
To hit one-shot with 25% extra damage
85% charged to one-shot poxwalkers 
With the 25% perk.
Idk if it oneshots with 24% from warp charges
Honestly trauma seems like the one I'd want the 6 stacks warp charges the most on
You need about 55% charge to oneshot groaners without any damage boosts
lethal folio
I just use psykinetics wrath and be done with it.