thats gonna be frequently last hitting horde mobs
#psyker-class
spice veldt
was imagining a scenario where I just tap a horde with soulblaze and melee them for 15% toughness a pop
if only if only
viral solstice
force sword special drops shred right
i just ran the blazing spirit staff by accident
didnt even realise it was the non wf one
was just like
damn i must be fuckin something up
spice veldt
presumably it does
spice veldt
i whipped out a blazing spirit FS once because it was the same rating as my other force sword
i wish the imperial edition skin for the force sword wasn't shifted upwards by a weird amount; i'd otherwise use it to mark what force swords I was using since I don't like the other docket skins
viral solstice
o ye thats true i need to bling my weapon out
o nvm no money and no skins
ill get one after i do dis one
boutta do a CHEEKY ascendant blaze blazing spirit voidstrike fs one
if i get hi 5 sorry team
spice veldt
prob playing hi5 for the difficulty anyways
viral solstice
i just qp damnation
spice veldt
i look out for HI since it usually feels that there aren't enough enemies
most people tend to run flamethrowers so I end up having nothing to melee unless I run ahead
viral solstice
i just let it be a surprise
spice veldt
nut staff is ok; i personally don't find it fun
sweet drift
I saw a clip of a guy shooting a big ball into a shooter crowd and he killed like 6 of them
thats basically my only experience with it
spice veldt
it has a bit of a cleave problem, as it can only deal epicentre damage to a limited amount of enemies at a time, but its outer radius damage is not terrible I suppose.
The projectile having a slight delay from an innate delay and a ping delay bugs me out whenever I try to shoot at running shooters
sweet drift
Hm ill have to try it out
I personally hate psyker so we will see if this makes me love em
spice veldt
yeah, something you'll have to use to see if you like i
i play psyker like a zealot by using the trauma staff to set up kills for my force sword
viral solstice
i mean its got pretty good cleave
relative to fire rate
if u charge to about 60%
especially if u have warp flurry
and by pretty good i mean worth enough to get decent value in a horde etc
viral solstice
depends on the staff
and how u play
and what blessings u got
eg voidstrike without transfer peril u kinda want some quell
if u got transfer peril then its less important
spice veldt
Blast Radius or Warp Resistance (if you're running Transfer Peril and/or Quietude) on Voidstrike
viral solstice
i mean blast radius more than warp res
warp res reduces the number of average headshots to go peril neutral
which can be pretty noice
spice veldt
i could see myself giving up warp res since I always run quietude
spice veldt
i'm one of those people who liked the pre-patch trauma staff for the peril generation
viral solstice
u just want to be able to peril neutral shit voidstrike blobs at full flurry and high peril
for as long as possible
sweet drift
my psyker is only level 20 so brunts armory gave me some actual garbage i should have expected this
summer prairie
if you run voidstrike with transfer peril you may even want your warp resistance to be low to get more out of quietude. And maybe not even run inner tranquility for the same reason
viral solstice
blast radius v secondary
because its marginal but ur running damage per peril so
but yea i mean its not like warp res is less important i just think blast radius is probs for the average gooner gonna be the least impactful feeling one to dump
and i say this as somebody with now 40 orange void staves that i have thoroughly tested*
*i have not
spice veldt
yeah the blast radius scaling very doodoo
the epicentre is from 1.13 to 1.38
and the outer radius is from 2 to 4 I think?
spice veldt
what about the 50 emotional damage that i inflict to enemies in the outer radius
viral solstice
i should actually get a fully characterised pic of the blast damage in some dense poxies
les hava luk
summer prairie
spice veldt
https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/47/
wow, I don't have to scroll down halfway my inventory to get to my force swords?
cyan notch
i nuked 95% of my inventory already
summer prairie
now I can go back to having more stuff
spice veldt
i haven't sold or earned my items yet just in case they make any wacky changes to the crafting
viral solstice
spice veldt
gimme them pics buddy
viral solstice
i can go one better
this is non crit with a reasonably low damage staff
no epicentre i shot in front of the feet
so not huge
uneven drift
i nuked 95% of my inventory already
I wish i could do this, but i can't stand run through this shit for few hours
viral solstice
but
cyan notch
sorting by type is great
also i needed some money so it was just free cash lying around
cold geode
damnit that mod isnt available yet on nexus
summer prairie
It is available though?
cold geode
its on nexus mods, but the file is still in quarantine i think, i can download it
summer prairie
I just grabbed it
cold geode
hmmm
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finally, had to force a reload of the page
summer prairie
Sadly doesn't work in the crafting menu
cyan notch
i am john psyker
forest coral
One is not like the other
stuck bridge
summer prairie
If they shared items rather than just blessings I could see it
uneven drift
Just cause.
cyan notch
i wanted to name em all the same name something stupid like boob
but they didnt allow me to
so i just kept trying until they did
cyan notch
but yes for blessings
and possibly melkbucks or whatever in the future if they share it
flat cargo
oppression
grim dark moment
spice veldt
couldn't even name my character with my discord name
no idea what even flagged it
even "arco" doesn't work
viral solstice
ok
its wrack and ruin kinetic flayer time
these hos had it too ez too long
time to go hard
uneven drift
I'm already hard, wdym.
spice veldt
verified by independent fact checkers
uneven drift
Seems grey council watching me.
forest coral
normal mauve
What’s an ideal setup for trauma staff? I saw there was a blessing called surge for void and trauma and was wondering if they are worth aiming for?
safe crystal
Surge nexus is for memes. You want flurry and something else, rending shockwave is a good option for 2nd blessing
normal mauve
Ahh. Ive also seen memes about blazing spirit void staff builds? Ive been trying to make it work with animation cancelling the secondary but not getting much mileage
summer prairie
that breaks flurry anyway so not worth it
normal mauve
What if you run it with nexus? Blazing spirit procs off crits so more crits equals more fire right?
sweet drift
I can confirm I still hate psyker
uneven drift
Keep us informed
safe crystal
What if you run it with nexus? Blazing spirit procs off crits so more crits equa...
Still too random, low amounts of soul blaze deal very little damage. 3 stacks is below 10 damage on everything iirc per tick
normal mauve
I see… that’s a shame 🫠
What about a fs with blazing spirit and that one blessing that gives crits after special kill?
safe crystal
If you do find a surge blessing though, its definitely worth ripping it out and saving it for later. It might get a lot better later on
safe crystal
What about a fs with blazing spirit and that one blessing that gives crits after...
Im trying to build this myself, but i cant seem to roll bloodthirsty 
normal mauve
Oof
Havent gotten either one. Still kinda new and trying to be more consistent on running through heresy missions
dusky bear
i wish crit builds on void strike were viable
or trauma
i really want to just blazeing soul to set hoards of enemies on fire
dusky bear
forest coral
Sad corner it is
dusky bear
viral solstice
i wish crit builds on void strike were viable
i mean
it depends what u mean by viable
dusky bear
i just want at least a facsimile of the grenader grenades
viral solstice
i did 3 t5s so far today (not hi5s just normals) with a blazing spirit crit staff build
and it was ok
i mean i did the most damage but thats just cos most people are kinda chilling
rather than the build being cracked
but i know what u mean
it would be cool if
u know
u could get crit from somewhere other than one blessing
dusky bear
what level warp nexus you have?
dusky bear
oh
viral solstice
staff is good roll tho
dusky bear
ah fair
viral solstice
but i would say
it still wasn't proccing that much
and like fundamentally going 14-26 crit or whatever it is
dusky bear
fact: any blessing that procs off crit should boost crit chance as well
olive ember
Blazing spirit crit staff build
dusky bear
just add a flat 5-10% critch chance to blazing spirit
spice veldt
or crit to warp unleashed
olive ember
from what I've seen tho blazing spirit builds are all more fun and meme builds then they are actually good
dusky bear
I feel like if you built it with the right feats it could be super good
just non stop DoT procing on everything
but the game says otherwise
olive ember
The problem is that it doesn't give enough stacks of burn reliably enough
and the only staff that does build stacks of burn reliably doesn't have blazing spirit
dusky bear
and the only actual crit based staff doesnt have blazing spirit
olive ember
So you are stuck with what looks cool but generally mediocre because you get maybe 2 stacks of burn randomly every 30 seconds or wte it is
dusky bear
surge also sounds like a really nice blessing
2 shots on a crit
so 900+ damage on a crit voidstrike secondary
olive ember
Did anyone ever confirm if surge blessing affects the rmb mode of voidstrike
Cuz surge on trauma literally only affects the lmb mode
dusky bear
to be fair trauma rmb doesnt have a projectile, just an explosion
olive ember
Yeah so was wondering
dusky bear
im pretty sure ive seen some one say surge works on void strike rmb
olive ember
It’s such a rare trait idk if anyone has a clip or not
dusky bear
but
at the same time, do you run void nexus and surge for the occasional double shot? or flurry and peril transfer for a gaurenteed rapid fire machine gun
olive ember
Flurry + transfer peril is def the proven combo for voidstrike
forest coral
Transfer peril is amazing on voidstrike
olive ember
Probably better logically speaking, idk how reliable crit is on voidstrike
It would either be transfer peril + flurry or transfer peril + surge
dusky bear
honestly what would really be interesting would be blazing spirit + surge. so stacking 6 stacks of soul fire on crit. But that would only be viable if they added crit chance to both of those blessings. Otherwise you are stuck at 10% critch chance from a 5% chance perk
i think nexus is additive
so with 97% peril and level 3 nexus you have 16% + 5% base crit chance
i could be wrong though
and its incredibly annoying to dance around maxperil like that
its doable but your SoL if a dog or mutie shows up because you can only BB once before having to quell
ornate hamlet
So what you do is
5% crit perk
Surge
And Transfer Peril
But the issue is that with max Flurry
You already do 2x DPS
So its still worse
dusky bear
but then no soul blaze stacks
i just want to throw incidiary grenades back at the bombers :c
ornate hamlet
Yeah you just can't make it work in any useful scenario at the moment.
Either you crit more for more fire
Or you Surge for double fire
Blazing Spirit could be like 9 or 12 stacks and it'd still be bad.
At least then it'd be a nice meme
summer prairie
on trauma it would be good
ornate hamlet
Actually does anyone know Blazing Spirit stack cap?
Well, does Trauma even have any good blessings tbf
dusky bear
trauma has a HUGE aoe. most of it is just chip damage but it still applies all effects
summer prairie
I think the default is 6 and don't think trauma/void versions override that
dusky bear
like 3-10 damage
ornate hamlet
About 20% chance most of the time to add 9 stacks of Soulblaze
If you run perk + Warp Nexus
Seems okay to me
Since I doubt you'd want to edge at 97%
dusky bear
but edging is so much fun yeah its incredibly easy to fuck up and explode too early
dusky bear
even at max charge you can hold it to keep building peril
ornate hamlet
You got like less than 1s to release too, so you gotta be on point
dusky bear
with voidstrike i got into a rythem where i could hold quell exactly long enough to drop it so that when i charged up rmb it reached max charge at 96% peril
dusky bear
i still think the fact that the last 2 stacks are at 97% is dumb af
ornate hamlet
And if they fix Warp Flurry to actually work properly
dusky bear
half the blessing is just wasted
dusky bear
like everything else in this game lol
tbf though i hope they keep the current mutie physics
watching them go flying when an ogryn boxes them is hilarious
ornate hamlet
Space dogs
dusky bear
i still love that they said they told dogs to stop their space program, and yet dogs still routinely fly off to Narnia
dusky bear
yeah it has a fucking massive AOE that mostly does no damage
but for blazing spirit or the rending blessing its amazing
dusky bear
and give it +crit chance
ornate hamlet
Never
Fatshark would never do that
That would be too intense
All blessings can only do one thing
dusky bear
that would make it viable
forest coral
That would make sense
safe crystal
With 6 stacks, it would be a AB blast pretty much
forest coral
How dare you suggest such a thing
safe crystal
Yeah, honestly, i would be okay with that
forest coral
Same
safe crystal
It takes 10 seconds for it to kill things
ornate hamlet
It is true
I do want more fire
I'm just saying there's no reason not to make it that strong
forest coral
More fire = happier psykers
ornate hamlet
Sure sometimes you'll get lucky and crit like twice
And absolutely delete a horde
But I mean
Purge just deletes hordes
And everything else
forest coral
I just want something that’s like on par with purge
dusky bear
to quote halo 2 elites upon throwing a plasma grenade "CLEANSING FIRE" and "HOLY LIGHT"
purg deletes bosses too
forest coral
Cause rn it’s still Haha purge go brrr for effectiveness
dusky bear
at least acording to the scoreboard mod
summer prairie
purg is lower dps vs boss than knife with lacerate, still decent though
dusky bear
no BB just purg staff spam im usually the most boss damage
summer prairie
and you can do both
safe crystal
Doesnt really delete them, steadily tickles them to death is more accurate
summer prairie
thunder hammer is the only thing that deletes bosses
forest coral
Knife with lacerate and mercy killer on a boss
dusky bear
ok thats fair
forest coral
Is lovely
It’s like duelling
Unless it’s bon bon
They it’s like nope rope but disgusting
ornate hamlet
Purge having 8s duration so you can easily keep the stacks up
Is really big on bosses
dusky bear
i have seen a thunder hammer zealot bitch slap a plague ogryn for 1/3 its health on heresy before
ornate hamlet
Meanwhile bleed stacks disappear if you blink
Without hitting the boss
But both is very good
summer prairie
yeah when I run purg I keep both bleed and soulblaze stacks up on the boss
ornate hamlet
I think bleed does about 240 per tick on bosses
dusky bear
shit i didnt think of that
ornate hamlet
So like 480 DPS
forest coral
I only really run knife with purg
ornate hamlet
And purge does 177 every 0.75s
dusky bear
i should get a bleed dagger
forest coral
Do it gordo
ornate hamlet
Bleed is actually pretty big on bosses
forest coral
Just make sure u bring something for hordes tho
ornate hamlet
But its just so awful to upkeep
dusky bear
stack purg to max soul fire. stack bleed to max, switch to purg and drop a single hit to keep stacks up, go back to dagger
dusky bear
but that what my crit flurry purg does
summer prairie
you can just ult with no stacks to reset the stack timer
ornate hamlet
No
dusky bear
that would be fucked
ornate hamlet
It just does
forest coral
Was gonna say
ornate hamlet
A lot of damage to Unyielding
forest coral
oooh
ornate hamlet
And the damage ticks are every 0.5s
dusky bear
any %max hp damage is goated with the sauce
summer prairie
you can have unyielding on your dagger too and both DOTs will benefit from it
dusky bear
ornate hamlet
Yeah DoT build is goated
Purge deletes hordes
Knife single target
And DoTs do well
dusky bear
even without purg tbh
dusky bear
the 6 charge feat + ascendant blaze deletes enitre rooms
viral solstice
yes voidstrike blazing is 6 cap
dusky bear
and usually gets you 6 stacks back
ornate hamlet
And with AB you can go over the stack cap on your purge
So you can get even more DoT
DoT build on Psyker is legit
dusky bear
ornate hamlet
Now add in Lacerations
dusky bear
and smace marines need a heavy flamer while we just think real hard about things being on fire 
what do you reckon the psyker sub classes going to be?
dusky bear
i know im a broken record at this point
but i hope its one that just expands or focuses on soul blaze stacks
spice veldt
melee psyker
summer prairie
This was slobby and no unyielding/mercy killer/t2 lacerate https://streamable.com/gjohx7
dusky bear
wait how does one get a plague boy in meat grinder?
safe crystal
Is this just a me thing? Or are doggos trying to dig themselves into the ground instead of trying to go to space now?
dusky bear
i havent seen that
spice veldt
wait how does one get a plague boy in meat grinder?
creature spawner mod
dusky bear
but i have no successfully dodged or staggered a dog before it pounced me since the patch
uneven drift
Is this just a me thing? Or are doggos trying to dig themselves into the ground ...
Well, they became more grounded for sure. And reliable to push/dodge. Mb it's just a rare species that are mutated into a mole.
cobalt fiber
im thinking of starting a psyker, how difficult is it to find people to help with penances when you have no friends? 😄
forest coral
Just ask in lfg and sometimes peeps help out
Lfg players helped me with malleus monstronum
Rest kinda happened normally with play
cobalt fiber
alright, thats nice ^_^ ill ask there once i am 30
i played a little bit of psyker before and actually got going out with a bang randomly on my own which i feel really lucky for
cliffhanger seems hard so far
forest coral
It’s not too bad, you can cheese it at chasm logistratum
cyan notch
or hab dreyko
tawny swallow
Is this just a me thing? Or are doggos trying to dig themselves into the ground ...
it’s funnier when they rocket into the air and land perfectly fine anyways but this is too silly
I wonder if dogs being nigh impossible to dodge is a bug
spice veldt
part of the reason is because they'll "predict" the direction you're currently moving when they leap
so instead of leaping at where you are now, they'll leap at where they think you will be at
and this makes it a little hard to dodge if you dodge in the same direction that you were moving when they leaped
thorny crypt
This was slobby and no unyielding/mercy killer/t2 lacerate https://streamable.co...
too slow damage
spice veldt
it's possible to avoid them by walking if you juke them out by walking in one direction and then walking the other way; but this all gets very sketchy when ping is part of the equation
thorny crypt
im thinking of starting a psyker, how difficult is it to find people to help wit...
penance rewards are all crap , focus on killing or Crowd controlling more , dying less and collect as many mats you can
cobalt fiber
penance rewards are all crap , focus on killing or Crowd controlling more , dyin...
im just a little obsessive about them, honestly to the point where i find it hard to enjoy the game when there's cosmetic penances i can't complete
I play veteran only for that reason mostly because i did all those ones during beta lol
safe crystal
it’s funnier when they rocket into the air and land perfectly fine anyways but t...
What if they dont land?
tawny swallow
the emperor himself saved you
summer prairie
has anyone gotten 805 plasteel? I've seen 795 many times but not higher
summer prairie
805
safe crystal
Closest i've had has been 765,iirc
viral solstice
cyan notch
i got 795 a lot too
cobalt fiber
just got cliffhanger actually, in a random game, what luck 😄
now i just need to get to 30 and do the 2 heresy ones and im done
near wyvern
What if they dont land?
I will be so sad when the dog space program is finally gone
uneven drift
Keep this memories till you have an opportunity.
candid crest
Terrifying barrage on a purge ok or reroll?
uneven drift
Reroll, purge have good supression already.
grizzled jasper
What if they dont land?
fair kayak
Slaanesh missions when?
summer prairie
tested it; toughness from coherency and EH stack properly
fair kayak
So +% toughness regeneration adds to the amount of toughness you gain from EH?
summer prairie
No
just that when you are in coherency you get the benefit from normal regen and EH rather the regular regen being interrupted by EH
dawn orchid
Alright boyos I'm gonna be trying void strike. I read flurry and transfer peril are the BIS blessings, but what about perks?
spice veldt
i assume you're testing this because toughness gain used to interrupt coherency regen right? I faintly remember reading about something like that
summer prairie
yes
wet jacinth
Imagine needing toughness regen
echo turtle
just a reminder, Psykers take + 25% damage while sprinting but take only half damage while sliding.
Always be sliding
leaden thunder
sliding also makes you immune to ranged
leaden thunder
it does for all
echo turtle
negatuve
cyan notch
positive
leaden thunder
zealot gets 100% damage reduction while in it
but for all classes it puts you in the dodge state
cyan notch
not from bullets
echo turtle
yeah from bullets, the ai just loses tracking
viral solstice
yeah from bullets, the ai just loses tracking
incorrect
cyan notch
viral solstice
it literally sets a flag
to dodged
this is how the blessing "ghost" is implemented
"count as dodge"
this is because when u are in this state u literally cannot be hit
echo turtle
so how long is count as dodged active after a slide or dodge
viral solstice
except by a very specific set of attacks that ignore dodge
for the full duration of the slide but possibly a bit of leeway beginning and end would need to check exact numbers
viral solstice
i havent checked in a couple months but oggies definitely have a slight delay beginning and end
spice veldt
sprinting still works
viral solstice
but u can mostly save ur slides and stuff for when there are queues
spice veldt
such as when casting a trauma secondary
echo turtle
That FS dodging, literally more effective than deflector blocking
spice veldt
I sprint perpendicularly to ranged enemies when charging my secondary and just dodge-slide into their direction and blast their ass
echo turtle
but u can mostly save ur slides and stuff for when there are queues
queues?
viral solstice
sorry cues
echo turtle
Oh
echo turtle
yeah, Gotcha
viral solstice
i bin all over de place
summer prairie
I couldn't really get ghost to work at all in the grinder when i tested it a while back
summer prairie
it works with that yes
viral solstice
and u dont take damage
summer prairie
I was taking damage
viral solstice
which is all it does
echo turtle
Vets already don’t take ranged damage, so ghost is kind of a hat on a hat
it also lasts for only a second, thats not much
summer prairie
In the grinder it doesn't then
summer prairie
I'm headshotting a reaper and taking damage
viral solstice
works for me
summer prairie
What weapon
spice veldt
it works for me as well with a t3 ghost against a reaper, though there are intervals where I get shot cuz I don't shoot fast enough
summer prairie
I even tested it with a stationary boss and some trash shooters
viral solstice
oh yeah u can get shot in gaps it probs doesnt overwrite uptime
but it definitely works
summer prairie
well if it doesn't overwrite uptime I can see i
still hearth
Ghost stinky
viral solstice
u can see its definitely stopping some damage rite
summer prairie
then it's just laspistol fire rate carrying
leaden thunder
man if only there was a way to see if blessings where active
still hearth
Because Fatshark
leaden thunder
wouldn't that be wild
spice veldt
makes sense from a balance perspective, but it would be nice if that was stated in the description
echo turtle
LOL
karmic copper
What does everyone HAVE their slide/dodge/jump set to? Ive seen vids of paykers doing the dodge into slide quelling and my mapping just doesnt allow for it fluidly.
feral verge
spacebar = dodge, alt = jump, ctrl = crouch
spice veldt
Dodge is bound to 'SHIFT', slide is bound to 'C', jump is bound to 'SPACE'
fyi, you can have shift and sprint bound to the same key since their functions don't overlap (you can sprint forward and left/right+forward; you can only dodge sideways, backwards, and diagonally backwards)
karmic copper
Ive same setup as Mankar. All games switched for me after nearly 4000hr in vermintide 2
I find doing quick crouch on ctrl after space during horde fighting to be awkward
worthy crypt
which kind of staff is considered best suited for random public games (most versatile I guess): I enjoy Purgatus the most in terms of gameplay feeling smoother to me, but dunno if it's the best one for general purposes
karmic copper
Most say purg is because you can conpletely control horde
And its highest damage with lower chances to fuck up
worthy crypt
yeh, guess it's the "easiest" to use at full capacity
karmic copper
Surge isnt super precise during dense horde, cant control elites mixed as much, void is void, and trauma can be a boon OR the bane of your team depending on the wielder
worthy crypt
That's what I feel, I find other staffs a bit "clunky" to use
and that makes me sad haha
karmic copper
Ive rending 6 on my trauma and i know what im providing with that, but i could still "do more" with my equally good purge realistically
I always loved conflag in v2 but the knockback vs outer rim damage is intense/underwhelming. I personally use surge as my go to pug staff because i can constantly advance towards gunners(1000% MY biggest issue in damnation) relatively safely while also controlling them
A lot of people on here with double or triple my hours though. And im psyker only player and weekend warrior dad. Before this latest patch i was stuck at 3/4 difficulty simply trying to get my weeklies finished by sunday
leaden thunder
shooters or gunners
karmic copper
Just 3 fucks atanding around seperated 100 feet away blasting at md
Yeah i was quite sadface when i read that gunner reduction on curios was ONLY for taggable
karmic copper
Ive died more times to a single shooter i didnt see that hit me with a full blast while fighting a horse
When im using void i specifically try and see the shooters in horde to full charge pierce past everyone and hit them
Those fucks
digital narwhal
Don't you love it when your teammates blow up a barrel and INSTANTLY fuck you over?
leaden thunder
yes
grizzled jasper
For the scoreboard
worthy crypt
and about melee (primary) weapons, which ones do you find best? I've always loved Warhammer 40K chainswords, but dunno if it's a good option for Psykers, all I see is Force Sword, MK V Axe or Knife as a defensive/mobility option
digital narwhal
and about melee (primary) weapons, which ones do you find best? I've always love...
Chainswords are good.
Force Swords are good, but not... as good.
Mk V Combat Axe with Brutal Momentum is meta iirc.
Knife is just stabby stabby zoomy zoomy.
spice veldt
force swords need proper blessings and high stats to be good
digital narwhal
^
spice veldt
they can be as good as the other options, but it takes more effort to get to that point
digital narwhal
Ye
worthy crypt
aha, thanks for the insights 😄
digital narwhal
Takes more work, but you can get them to a good point.
If you want an easy melee to chase.
Probably just look for a Chainsword or Devil's Claw Sword for now.
leaden thunder
BM anatx
digital narwhal
Or a Mk V Axe with Brutal Momentum.
leaden thunder
since you just need the BM
man I love turning a single target weapon into acleave machine
worthy crypt
OK, thanks a lot, gonna try Chainsword just because I find'em really cool, but guess I'll have to look for a BM Mk V too 🥲
❤️
digital narwhal
You don't have to look for one
They're great
but everything else can be good too.
Don't feel like it's necessary.
I completely and utterly prefer Force Sword and Chainsword over BM Mk V Axe
Because they feel better to me
worthy crypt
Well, yeh, after all I get this is a coop game, no need to go turbometa army, but asking just in case I get to a point/difficulty I could need some extra juice, so knowing which weapons are considered "best" could be interesting 😛
But I agree, this is the kind of game you should play what you enjoy the most, as long as it can work, even if not THE BEST OF THE BEST haha
thanks guys, have a nice day!
leaden thunder
this game very much puts skill over your gear (more or less)
so it's more of a use what you are good at
spice veldt
yeah, not too many DPS checks in this game
leaden thunder
there is only like
spice veldt
as long as you can stay alive and have a decent idea of how to kite the map section that you're currently in
leaden thunder
a couple things you should not take into damn
and that's just due to them being severly underpowered
worthy crypt
That could be a better way to ask about the Chainsword, just wanted to know if it is NOT shit haha
so I get I can use it and try to go for a decent stated one, without being a handicap
thank you all for the answers!
echo turtle
chainsword is alright
an mk5 is better at horde clear and single target if you get get the right blessings but it’s not a bad weapon
cyan notch
its pretty fun it goes vroom
but relies on heavy spam for horde clear
if u need space u gotta use push attack > heavy
dawn orchid
It's very mediocre with multiple better options
Chain weapons have the problem if requiring you to sit still to use the special, which makes you vulnerable
spice veldt
though sticky special weapons are fine against enemies that outrun hordes (AKA ragers)
cyan notch
i trade more with chainsword than fs
spice veldt
also, it seems that weapons do indeed have different block costs
cyan notch
yes someone posted about it long ago i was lazy to look into it
spice veldt
i normalized against their stamina
cyan notch
all i know is fs sucks and ds best for bcr
spice veldt
against a groaner, force sword requires 1.5 bars to block
MK2/MK4 Duelling Swords, Knife, and Tactical Axes require 0.5 bars to block
MK5 Duelling Sword scales with the Defense stat; it requires approximately 0.33 bars to block at 80% defense
digital narwhal
Chainsword, when ripping, should cause slightly suppression to nearby enemies.
Force Sword, when... warping... (?) should knockback nearby enemies.
That'd make the specials a bit better I think.
summer prairie
it should be one bar for FS if it's in front of you
cyan notch
oh hey i have a good ds
spice veldt
i'm reading off of the percentage rather than the bars
although I am running a +3 stamina which will increase the error margin by (weapon stam + 3) * 0.01
and my game fucking crashed
summer prairie
based on the stamina profiles I expected knife/ds to only have twice better block cost
spice veldt
that seems about right
with the only exception of the MK5 duelling sword apparently scaling with the defense stat
i tested an 80% Def which lost 7% with 5 max bars (0.35 bars lost) and a 39% Def which lost 11% with 5 max bars (0.55 bars lost)
summer prairie
you can get daemonhost melee basically down to 1% with MKV, need warp stacks though
stuck sinew
I mean, it already has that ridiculous dodge distance
spice veldt
we could be fighting three daemonhosts
here's the table of values I collected from a groaner
presumably, the actual values are going to be "convenient" numbers, like 0.72 probably actually being 0.75, 0.96 actually being 1, etc.
hard oyster
Man why does the force sword suck except for deflector
spice veldt
an interesting thing to remark on is that an MK5 Duelling Swords with a low defense stat has a higher block cost than the other marks.
leaden thunder
Man why does the force sword suck except for deflector
you got a sluaghterer one?
leaden thunder
sluaghterer is the important part tbh
river sand
sure
spice veldt
bloodthirsty is probably the other best offensive perk to pair with it (if you're skilled enough to get a bloodthirsty)
leaden thunder
deflector + slaughterer is fine, but if you want to actually deal big damage you want slaughterer with bloodthirsty
spice veldt
the other weird thing is the MK1 catachan sword having a lower block cost than the other marks
hard oyster
I'm a sucker for cool
olive ember
deflector + slaughterer is fine, but if you want to actually deal big damage you...
If you actually want big damage don’t bring a FS
olive ember
Imo if you bringing a FS but not bringing deflector then what’s the point kek
spice veldt
anti-armor special
near wyvern
Imo if you bringing a FS but not bringing deflector then what’s the point kek
Slaughter and Bloodthirsty are good blessings
hard oyster
Let's you revive while being shot at
spice veldt
and more cleave than the other options with 1 push cost (Knife, Duelling Swords)
hard oyster
Fucking why
near wyvern
Fucking why
Because it was ridiculous
hard oyster
Anorexic shrimp hires "bugs"
olive ember
Sure didn’t feel like a bug but here we are
hard oyster
It's ridiculous?
near wyvern
BUT you can stand on a person and block shots while your buddy goes for the res
hard oyster
What about it is ridiculous
near wyvern
It's ridiculous?
1 dude jumping in the middle of the horde and just safely bringing someone up without having to care what happening around, yes it was OP and ridiculous
hard oyster
?
spice veldt
tbf, it was nerfed back when we had the fast passive regen and no passive regen reset
hard oyster
How many shots do you think it blocks?
near wyvern
Kinetic Deflection is still strong AF even without deflector on Res and after all the nerfs
near wyvern
How many shots do you think it blocks?
You pair it with kinetic deflection and quite many my friend
hard oyster
I'll have to see how it feels
The fs warp resistance Stat apply to delfector blocks and kinetic?
olive ember
P sure
near wyvern
I'll have to see how it feels
The fs warp resistance Stat apply to delfector blo...
That's what the Devs claim but haven't tested
Inner tranq definitely does
olive ember
I used the same FS since like 29 so
summer prairie
based on the code don't think it does
hard oyster
I was hoping to be able to use it outside of deflector
olive ember
So I’m just sad now
hard oyster
Outside of kinetic*
olive ember
374 stats and I get some of the worst rolls possible
spice veldt
skill issue
hard oyster
Don't play at 2am, no one is top of thier game. Failed three 4*s in a row and went to bed sad
olive ember
It was like 8 tho
hard oyster
😦
olive ember
Typically 2 AM are when the tryhards/no-life’s/sweats come out
olive ember
Idk but I had like 3 ez games in a row that one time I played at like 5 AM
And then at 8 PM I’m stuck with autopistol zealots that run out of ammo in one engagement and 10/10 ogryns and vets who run in and get turned to Swiss cheese
Like one game idk how the ogryn managed to get downed 3 times and the vet 2 times before we even made it to the midpoint objective
Another game the vet and ogryn ran in and died cuz shooter spam with ragers, the zealot runs out of ammo, I throw down ammo crate and then get trapped while killing the ragers (10/10 audio made trapper sound behind and then they showed up in front) and the zealot instead of spending 2 seconds to get me out of the net just stands there full auto spraying his autopistol. Then fails to shove two pox bursters away twice in a row, killing both of us
echo turtle
It takes 1/2 a second to get someone out of a net
always just do it
How people make it this far and not understand that baffles me
spice veldt
stumbling their way or just getting carried for the maps
and they probably figure that the risk/time reward between lower difficulties and a higher one are roughly the same
and enemies are kind of trivialized on lower difficulties due to their lower HP
digital narwhal
I fucking love it when all 3 of my teammates decide to leave me with a swarm of Poxies and a Mutie all by myself whilst they attempt to kill 5 shooters
kekw
olive ember
Idk some of those guys in the games I described had damnation borders
spice veldt
i'd prefer if different difficulties had the same HP but enemies only dealt different damage
olive ember
So at this point idek
safe crystal
Idk some of those guys in the games I described had damnation borders
Not an indication of anything, its easy to stumble past damnation with whatever knowledge of the game, as long as the rest of the team carries the slack
spice veldt
i had a shield ogryn with a damnation border that basically planted for almost every fight
though I haven't seem them since a month ago
olive ember
At this point I don’t think ima gonna use the damnation border
Just got it too like a few days ago
But now I’m treating it like a bad luck charm
spice veldt
i just use whatever border looks the nicest
safe crystal
This was my favourite moment from playing today
spice veldt
though i hate every border in this game currently
stunned the zealot with confusion
what a powerful nade that ogryn has
olive ember
Most of em look not good
spice veldt
also that ogryn straight up ignored the shooter that was chipping at his toughness
just to throw his lunch
safe crystal
He ignored the entire shooter patrol on the other side of the room
spice veldt
priorities i suppose
safe crystal
I went down with him, but the vet and zealot clutched
olive ember
I’m thinking about putting on the border for beating sedition? Uprising?
The one with only one green dot lmao
spice veldt
malice i believe
unless you're talking about that one with the green circle at the bottom middle
then I think that's just the x missions completed one
olive ember
Malice has two dots iirc
cyan notch
1 dot sedition 2 dots malice 3 dots damnation
olive ember
Ah yeah I’ll bring out the prisoner drip with the 1 dot border into damnation
cyan notch
heresy gets no frame just penance points
olive ember
Same with uprising
What looks more legit as a new player
Running prisoner armor
Or running the leveling armor
Probably the latter
spice veldt
i like the 1st set of levelling armor
because it doesn't have the thick ass gloves
that obstruct your view when you block
olive ember
The heresy gloves aren’t as thick iirc
safe crystal
Im switching to the special conditions border as soon as i unlock it
spice veldt
best jacket
these gloves are what I fuckin' hate about the other armors
ugly thick ass outwardly inflecting gloves
clearly we weren't going to be washing dishes but it also didn't need to be funnel shaped did it
spice veldt
still look thick
BLEH
anyways you guys can go let rain accumulate on the inside of your gloves
safe crystal
Wdym, im wearing my toilet seat collar with my yellow t-shirt
safe crystal
spice veldt
imagine being piss coloured though
olive ember
Fucking yellow
safe crystal
Oh neat, lights out missions are back
olive ember
Blue forever
karmic copper
Thats a good lookin look. Force sword looks extra thic
safe crystal
olive ember
Oh neat, lights out missions are back
Welp guess I’m running purge staff for a bit then
safe crystal
Welp guess I’m running purge staff for a bit then
Im gonna terrorize damnation with the autopistol i made yesterday
olive ember
.>
safe crystal
It has a torch, i have a good reason!
olive ember
Actually
Ya know what I’m swapping my vet over to auto pistol
See how that goes
How good is autopistol on armor btw?
I’m assuming not so good
echo turtle
not great
crystal jolt
okay on flak, not great on carapace
echo turtle
not great on flak, useless vs carapace
Flak make sure you’re up close, try get the power boosts
olive ember
Tbh I’m kinda surprised stuff like auto pistols etc. take up the same slot as main guns
olive ember
Where as most games will give the primary secondary and melee
olive ember
Imagine if you could run something like bolter + laspistol + power sword on vet
Psykers could actually bring a pistol without throwing
digital narwhal
76% Burn is what's necessary for max Soulblaze stacks from Purgatus, right?
digital narwhal
Well this is decent, right?
Only Purgatus I've ever gotten with 76% or above Burn lol
olive ember
It’s…. It’s useable
spice veldt
cloud radius could be better but yeah
cloud radius is pretty much the most important stat since the main benefit of purg is cleaving through virtually everything in its range
digital narwhal
Ye
I guess I'll keep trying for a better one
with 76% or above in both Burn and Cloud Radius
olive ember
Still decent enough
digital narwhal
Damage only effects the impact damage of the flames, right?
olive ember
Just not
digital narwhal
Not the burn?
near wyvern
Damage only effects the impact damage of the flames, right?
Direct damage and stack application rate
Burn affects the max stack count
digital narwhal
So importance of stats is
Cloud Radius > Burn > Damage > Warp Resistance > Quell Speed
Ye?
near wyvern
Yes
digital narwhal
Awesome
spice veldt
i'd put quell speed over warp res personally
near wyvern
No
It's a horde control weapon
During a horde you can just pump it and never quell
Battle Meditation is strong with this one
olive ember
Thought damage was the dump stat
spice veldt
yeah, though the nonlinear scaling of quell speed makes me value more points in it nevertheless
near wyvern
And you can always LMB into animation Quell cancel onto LMB to keep things perma staggered (Ragers) while you quell more than you use
digital narwhal
yeah, though the nonlinear scaling of quell speed makes me value more points in ...
Tbf, since the manual Quell speed buff, I'd say Quell Speed is the dump on a lot of Staves
They Quell plenty anyway
olive ember
Quell matters on surge quite a bit imo
digital narwhal
Fair
spice veldt
the quell stat scales nonlinearly, so 80% quell gives you a 66% increase in quell speed
near wyvern
Tbf, since the manual Quell speed buff, I'd say Quell Speed is the dump on a lot...
Wasn't there only changes to the passive quelling, not manual?
olive ember
I swear if it’s tied to flash missions or wte the hell that it is
near wyvern
Is 80% faster than 3 seconds now? (100 to 0)
digital narwhal
I hope they plan on letting us use Diamantine to make Red Weapons, letting us pick a stat to bump by 20%, so we can finally get 100% stats
olive ember
Could be wrong
spice veldt
only passive quelling was changed as far as I can remember
passive quelling on non-force was nerfed, passive quelling on staffs were buffed
those were the only changes
near wyvern
only passive quelling was changed as far as I can remember
That's what the patch notes stated yea
olive ember
Why would you ever passive quell on staff tho
spice veldt
idk new players I guess
who aren't actively quelling during any down time
so just raising the skill floor (or is it lowering it? can't ever get the terminology right)
olive ember
Lowering I think?
spice veldt
also, can anyone else dodge-slide backwards while quelling?
i can't tell if that's a limitation of the game or my keyboard has really shitty rollover
olive ember
Floor being how bad you can play and ceiling being how well you can play
It would be lowering the floor
Right?
Idek
digital narwhal
What melee would you pair with Purgatus that isn't Mk V Axe?
spice veldt
according to this reddit post, "skill floor" is the "minimum amount of skill needed to play something well"
so low skill floor yeah
knife, duelling swords, force sword
fair kayak
What melee would you pair with Purgatus that *isn't* Mk V Axe?
Force Sword
spice veldt
all of them with Uncanny Strike
olive ember
I use force sword on everything
fair kayak
It's pretty much force Sword or Antax V
spice veldt
all of them can take on the Uncanny Strike blessing so that your soulblaze can kill Crushers, and knife/DS have mobility
force sword is there I guess
near wyvern
What melee would you pair with Purgatus that *isn't* Mk V Axe?
Dagger
digital narwhal
Why not?
inland sand
like what is it realistically doing
olive ember
Killing them?
inland sand
the staff already does that
digital narwhal
Giving you free Warp Charges and letting you use Psykinetic's Wrath as a massive damage vent?
inland sand
why do u need warp charges when u can just keep them up cosntantly
rocky cedar
the staff already does that
Not with that range or immediacy
near wyvern
What melee would you pair with Purgatus that *isn't* Mk V Axe?
Take Kinetic Deflection, one +3 stamina curio with some stamina regen on one or two curio. Enjoy the speed and when you encounter enemies spam push attack. Works too well for how stupid the strategy is and you can sprint slide for days.
olive ember
I mean I use it to deal with shooters on purge
near wyvern
why do u need warp charges when u can just keep them up cosntantly
You take it for essence harvest
digital narwhal
I mean I use it to deal with shooters on purge
This
rocky cedar
Yeah that too
spice veldt
i'd say +stam isn't necessary with kinetic deflection
digital narwhal
AB lets you dump ranged Soulblaze at a group of shooters out of range of Purgatus
since the push has big big range
spice veldt
and beyond walls and cover
digital narwhal
Oh ye, it goes through cover
solid lake
It lets you melt specials with kinetic flayer because it gives you stacks when things die to the purg staff
feral verge
anyone seen toughness regen curio perk above 22.5%?
digital narwhal
Warp Battery > Kinetic Flayer
digital narwhal
anyone seen toughness regen curio perk above 22.5%?
30%
olive ember
You don’t run kinetic flayer with purge you run warp battery
digital narwhal
I have 3 on my Ogryn
rocky cedar
I've rolled for it a number of times now
feral verge
i've only gotten 22.5
inland sand
i've tried both builds and it never feels good using AB. i just never feel like i need to do it
feral verge
ima get that reroll mod
digital narwhal
i've tried both builds and it never feels good using AB. i just never feel like ...
What difficulty?
solid lake
You don’t run kinetic flayer with purge you run warp battery
What it loses out on killing chaff, it gains on melting zerkers and the like in the horde
inland sand
What difficulty?
Hi5
olive ember
Flayer isn’t good for that, you melt em just find using purge
digital narwhal
Maybe you're just playing into AB wrong?
olive ember
Flayer mostly just procs on pox walkers
inland sand
how's that then? Like, if I don't need to use it i don't need to use it
digital narwhal
What it loses out on killing chaff, it gains on melting zerkers and the like in ...
Soulblaze already melts specials
Plus
Brain Burst
solid lake
For that youve got to stop flaming though
olive ember
The only thing that flayer rly helps with killing on purge are mutants and ogryns tbh
digital narwhal
Would you guys run 2-1 or 2-2 for Purgatus?
olive ember
Besides that purge does plenty damage
digital narwhal
Part of me says 2-2
olive ember
I run 1-2
digital narwhal
But not sure
inland sand
I do 2-2
olive ember
Never use force weapon kek
inland sand
are we talking levle 5 and 10 row?
olive ember
I assume so
digital narwhal
2-2 = Level 10, 2nd row
spice veldt
i run 2-1 since I use the Force Sword
otherwise, inner tranquility seems like much better value unless you're running quietude
olive ember
Meh you hit FS breakpoints just fine without force weapon
solid lake
3-3 because they fixed wrack and ruin to work on hit instead of kill
inland sand
and the damage one for Trauma and Void
spice veldt
nice thing to have, and I don't like relying on my warp charges since I tend to lose them even with the new warp charge changes
olive ember
Lmao what? Pls don’t use wrack and ruin
safe crystal
3-3 because they fixed wrack and ruin to work on hit instead of kill
It deals 9 damage in an aoe, what
solid lake
hit two gunners, and everything round them has 6 stacks, if its good enough for people to take warp battery on AB, then why is it bad there?
safe crystal
You spent time using BB instead of just pressing F and continue taking out whatevers close to you
spice veldt
and the kicker about Wrack & Ruin is that it doesn't work on monstrosities
inland sand
which talent is Essence Harvest again
olive ember
Because you have to manually BB 2 gunners, the range is small AF compared to AB
olive ember
which talent is Essence Harvest again
1
spice veldt
which talent is Essence Harvest again
Top lvl5
olive ember
1 is essence harvest 2 is warp absorption
inland sand
ah that one kk
olive ember
3 is Quietitude
safe crystal
Also range, true. 3 meters vs 30 meters cone for AB
solid lake
Fair enough, I guess for me the peril resist runs counter to quietude, so its no big loss
safe crystal
Oh its 2
olive ember
Which will basically put you at full peril
inland sand
the burny one
olive ember
Ah yeah no
solid lake
Its a nice bonus on stuff you'd be head popping anyway
inland sand
u get more WCs and it applies SOulblaze or someshit
olive ember
It’s got niche application for purge but most people who run purge find that warp battery w/ ascendant blaze is worth more most of the times
inland sand
my Purg build has been 2-2-2-1-3-2 forever now
olive ember
my Purg build has been 2-2-2-1-3-2 forever now
Replace flayer with warp battery
inland sand
but tbh I'm considering just switching to 2-2-2-1-1-3 now
solid lake
I always figured that you dont take purg for direct damage, so the other 2 stacks weren't that used. Do warp charges increase soulblaze damage?
olive ember
Imo you generate enough charges and warp battery is what lets you burn trash mobs to death
safe crystal
I always figured that you dont take purg for direct damage, so the other 2 stack...
Yes, increases all damage
olive ember
On damnation you need the 6 stacks to kill trash as well
4 stacks will leave em with some hp
inland sand
I
olive ember
For ascendant blaze*
inland sand
I've been playing Psyker on Damnation for months without Warp Battery, you don't need 6 stacks
spice veldt
in general, all active damage buffs will boost soulblaze damage, including the perks on your currently equipped weapon
near wyvern
i'd say +stam isn't necessary with kinetic deflection
I take it for running, not for blocking 😂
spice veldt
I take it for running, not for blocking 😂
smh weak cardio