I'd love it
#psyker-class
limber silo
astral lark
pierce or piece? cause only two weapons pierce cover, most guns are fine though
spice veldt
:DDD
fierce sinew
purgatus blazing spirit warp nexus apparently too good to be allowed to exist
no fun allowed
still hearth
If I could at least Vent without taking damage and not just have to pace one shot at the time for it that'd be cool
viral solstice
and the thing is broadly peril is the same like theres lots of cool stuff they will be able to do with peril
once they start adding more stuff
limber silo
pierce or piece? cause only two weapons pierce cover, most guns are fine though
Idk why people are so obsessed with wall piercing, just aim at the target
still hearth
Wall piercing
astral lark
goes away when you either learn to vent below 39% or swap weapons or reload after elite kill
halcyon root
Pierce the void bros not the walls
still hearth
goes away when you either learn to vent below 39% or swap weapons or reload afte...
Swap weapons?
astral lark
Idk why people are so obsessed with wall piercing, just aim at the target
see above, cover, and ogryns
limber silo
I care about enemy pierce, not wall pierce
still hearth
Wall piercing makes me waste ammo and heat
Since I don't get what walls I can pierce at all
In fact the times I tried the gun it never pierced any walls for me
limber silo
see above, cover, and ogryns
Charge shot -> stand up -> shoot -> crouch
astral lark
Swap weapons?
yes the hear will go away while you’re using melee
fierce sinew
BB should be allowed to hit enemies pinged (with either the button or volley fire) regardless of map geometry
still hearth
Veteran
fierce sinew
change my mind
spice veldt
might be too campy
viral solstice
tbh
spice veldt
i'd rather have a playstyle that incentivizes Psykers to stick near enemies at all times
fierce sinew
I did
viral solstice
in mass effect 3 all the biotic powers had targeting on enemies, but when u shot the skill it had a physical trajectory
astral lark
Power Sword OP with team
viral solstice
and where u put ur mouse relative to the enemy would determine the curve
astral lark
trash trying to dodge though
still hearth
Power Sword is OP for sure
still hearth
But idk if I'd want to use it
spice veldt
smh adding aiming mechanics to psyker?
viral solstice
it was such a cool implementation of targeted skills
viral solstice
well its more bendin
astral lark
in mass effect 3 all the biotic powers had targeting on enemies, but when u sho...
fn love me.
biotics ftw
viral solstice
and every game that has magic stuff like this one im always like
limber silo
Power Sword OP with team
Power sword is op for the same reason FS has the best blessings -- because they're on classes with shitty melee and need a crutch
fierce sinew
plenty of the actually good stuff in me3 straight up went through walls, was great fun
viral solstice
imagine if brain burst had some kind of physical reality to it
or just the other weapons in general
fierce sinew
n7 infiltrator teleporting from mob to mob
viral solstice
void strike feels ok but even sienna staves had more physicality to them on the whole
astral lark
Power sword is op for the same reason FS has the best blessings -- because they'...
yes veteran is also thematic and a mini marine wannabe
limber silo
yes veteran is also thematic and a mini marine wannabe
minus all the marine parts
astral lark
though there is some justification in lore
spice veldt
it's just the primary fires being so shit
astral lark
hence wannabe
spice veldt
so sluggish
all of our meaningful actions requires us to charge the secondary
which is slow
viral solstice
i mean the primary fire isn't that shit
that's the funny part
teh primary staff fire
spice veldt
left click is a shitty as dinky ass primary fire
still hearth
Power sword is op for the same reason FS has the best blessings -- because they'...
Psyker is leagues better than Veteran in melee.
viral solstice
especially on surge
fierce sinew
day whatever number and still no warp beam staff
limber silo
Psyker is leagues better than Veteran in melee.
true
spice veldt
the stagger it deals is actually amazing
still hearth
But Force Sword dodges are tiny and you need to time them incredibly tightly sometimes
viral solstice
is INSANE to me
spice veldt
interrupts maulers during any of their phases
still hearth
So its balanced out a bit
limber silo
unfortunately psykers I know are fucking fish out of water in melee
viral solstice
i mean its not like u need anything to be fine in melee
spice veldt
i still hate projectile weapons with slow travel times and slow fire rates
viral solstice
this game gives u the stuff u need
spice veldt
give me a fuckin plasma gun from quake
astral lark
Psykers are better at skirmish melee
limber silo
Had to force my buddy to put down the fs and pick up a duelling sword so he cuold learn melee
viral solstice
wouldn't force sword teach u melee better tho
because its dodge is worse and its special requires commitment
astral lark
PS is honestly trash at skirmish. low stamina
spice veldt
FS is fine for melee though because of the block cancelling innit
viral solstice
whereas duelling sword is just spider monkey dodge mashing
spice veldt
most weapons are fine if you follow a basic attack -> push combo and force sword is one of them
limber silo
wouldn't force sword teach u melee better tho
duelling sword is better because it's more forgiving in all aspects. Requires little micro for combos, big dodges, mobility out the roof
fierce sinew
force sword push is braindead
viral solstice
right but surely the one that is worse
limber silo
Then he can move to a more complex weapon i.e. FS
viral solstice
would teach him to melee
spice veldt
force sword has better cleave and has access to Slaughterer
viral solstice
astral lark
I love the PS, but it has absolutely no mobility
fierce sinew
it's doing all the other stuff you actually need to sort of try with it
viral solstice
like giving somebody a duelling sword is nearly as bad as giving somebody a knife
halcyon root
force sword aoe stagger with block
limber silo
would teach him to melee
Do you learn to drive with an 18 wheeler?
spice veldt
i'd want to teach people to mainly use their melee as a horde clear
limber silo
No, you use a normal sized car
viral solstice
i mean
spice veldt
do you learn to drive with a motorcycle?
limber silo
hence, use a melee weapon that is more normal
viral solstice
i want my friends to suffer
limber silo
before using weird ones
limber silo
I agree
spice veldt
true; the duelling sword will make them dodge off ledges
limber silo
but I want plasteel
cyan notch
thats why everyone starts with devils claw
viral solstice
but yeah i would say duelling sword and knife are both like
going to teach terrible lessons
spice veldt
just play silo cluster over and over until they stop falling off
astral lark
No, you use a normal sized car
what about a moped
cyan notch
basic bitch weapon
viral solstice
unironically devil claw teaches a lot
not least of which is that the parry is a block analogue
so its transferable skill
limber silo
what about a moped
don't need a license for mopeds where I'm at
viral solstice
in the uk u can drive a moped forever with just a learner license
halcyon root
don't need a license for mopeds where I'm at
I dont need a license for your mom either
astral lark
it varies where i am
viral solstice
so my father never bothered qualifying for motorbikes
limber silo
unironically devil claw teaches a lot
too bad devil claw combos suck
limber silo
I dont need a license for your mom either
Yeah you do
viral solstice
i mean devil claw is bad
limber silo
you need a license for hog hunting
viral solstice
but its a very decent "teaches the basics" starter weapon, especially 4
cos u got like 2 heavies, one taht cleaves one single target
halcyon root
But I ride both of them was the joke but Im just going to go this way now
fierce sinew
in the uk you need a loisense to leave the house to get on your moped though
viral solstice
like its less spidermonkey
fierce sinew
and another for the stabbing you get on the way down the driveway
astral lark
just drove a moped forever
if it works, it works
viral solstice
i have seen so many people play knife zealot for too long and get used to the spidermonkey dodge
limber silo
But I ride both of them was the joke but Im just going to go this way now
You can't shit talk me if I can shit talk myself better
spice veldt
also teaches players the wrong thing about the dodging system
halcyon root
But your mother and I love each other - you have to accept our love
spice veldt
since the dodge system relies on breaking tracking rather than i-frames
halcyon root
and the moped
viral solstice
what
thats not true
the dodge system is literally iframes
in the lua when u dodge
u enter a dodge state
attacks are either dodgable or not
u can stationary dodge attacks that are tagged
still hearth
Melee bruiser go bap
astral lark
the dodge system is literally iframes
no, slides are iframes for zealots only
limber silo
But your mother and I love each other - you have to accept our love
My mother loves only one thing and it's the fact that your wiener is small enough for the hole in the coffin
viral solstice
no, slides are iframes for zealots only
completely incorrect
thats not iframes btw
astral lark
dodge is different % damage
viral solstice
thats %toughness dr
spice veldt
and dodge only activates a few milliseconds into the dodge
astral lark
incorrect
viral solstice
ok this is why i hate that post so fuckin much
this is how it works
when u slide
ur in a slide state
astral lark
each class has difficulty base stats
viral solstice
SOME ATTACKS
ignore dodge
and SOME ATTACKS ignore slide
eg rager 1-2 combo
ignores dodge state
if u dodge in front of a rager
and get hit
astral lark
while you’re in that state, you take different % dmg
viral solstice
ONLY THEN will the game use those dr numbers
HOWEVER
ALL CLASSES
if they dodge a dodgable attack
will take zero damage
this is not a damage reduction effect
when u use that zealot dr effect
it is TOTALLY different looking
in fact u see the toughness damage indicator!
astral lark
you can still be shot whole in dodge / slide / sprint state
astral lark
you can take damage and some classses even take MORE dmg
viral solstice
"immune to ranged damage for 1s on weak spot hit"
what do u think
that does in the code
tell me
still hearth
spice veldt
hmm you're right i can spin in place and dodge a groaner's attack without moving
astral lark
in different states
still hearth
Because
Some attacks
Can hit you in those states
So you take more damage from those attacks
viral solstice
i hate that chart
so much
it confused everybody
getting hit during dodge is REALLY RARE
still hearth
That chart was always correct in the worst way 
viral solstice
whats even worse
is that 100% dr during slide ISNT DAMAGE IMMUNITY
because some shit modifies it!
limber silo
So you take more damage from **those attacks**
Can you tell me what dodges and slide DON'T dodge specifically?
viral solstice
ok heres the rough deal
spice veldt
i've gotten hit by ranged attacks during dodges
viral solstice
slide, specifically, is ranged immunity for the entire duration + ur in a slide state
limber silo
I know slide causes me to almost never get hit by bullets, but dodges are iffy with them
still hearth
Because I've been "hit" by ranged attacks
viral solstice
dodge has a shorter duration than u think
astral lark
slide, specifically, is ranged immunity for the entire duration + ur in a slide ...
only for zealot
still hearth
And it doesn't even register
viral solstice
and with latency ur gonna see it
astral lark
not as ogryn
spice veldt
i take reduced damage from shotgunners whenever I take a hit during dodges, or not all the pellets hit me or whatever
limber silo
However dodges almost always dodge big boy hits like crushers and maulers
viral solstice
only for zealot
this is completely wrong, zealot has 100% dr vs damage taken during slide
still hearth
Ogryn gets "hit" but you 100% don't take damage from shots while sliding.
viral solstice
u do NOT take ranged hits during slide
still hearth
I literally spent time testing that in game
astral lark
this is completely wrong, zealot has 100% dr vs damage taken during slide
that’s literally what i said
astral lark
but only for zealot
halcyon root
rekt
astral lark
other classes do not get 0% dmg during slide
still hearth
And you'll still take no gun damage
limber silo
Drasca, I don't think you understand what's being said
astral lark
No, he’s just incorrect
viral solstice
still hearth
Crab: Literally looks into the code
viral solstice
has read the code
astral lark
Yes you can just outright avoid some attacks
limber silo
If dodge can avoid damage -> take no damage. If dodge CANNOT avoid damage -> then use chart
viral solstice
in fact here is an old example that is a godo demonstration of the effect
spice veldt
so it's straight up avoiding ranged damage rather than damage resistance during slides?
viral solstice
astral lark
If dodge can avoid damage -> take no damage. If dodge CANNOT avoid damage -> th...
literally just said that
viral solstice
im playing veteran d eadshot duck n dive here
every single time i "dodge" a ranged attack
my stamina bar goes up
look at my stamina bar
you will see it go up every single time i dodge
you will also note i do not take damage from those hits
astral lark
yes but you can still take damage during
brave plume
Get ghost blessing
astral lark
its not iframes
brave plume
Ghost blessing apparently triggers duck and dive
astral lark
Ghost blessing apparently triggers duck and dive
wait really
limber silo
Yeah, I-frames would probably be universal, this seems like a state-based check
brave plume
So weak point hits will refund and then some
near wyvern
Why on earth are we having a vet discussion on this blessed channel
viral solstice
i mean there are lots of games where i-frames are vulnerable what are u guys talking about
have u ever played a fighting game
lmao
spice veldt
i started it by talking about dodging wrongly xddd
viral solstice
people now just makin shit up
halcyon root
its been a wild ride
spice veldt
i take no responsibility for my actions
viral solstice
brave plume
Idk lol. This came up in Zealot a couple hours ago too lol
viral solstice
all of u are reported
fierce sinew
it's a general game mechanics issue, vet shit is just useful example
viral solstice
im going to snort some juice
limber silo
i mean there are lots of games where i-frames are vulnerable what are u guys tal...
then they aren't i-frames
halcyon root
dont worry I got flamed for calling out non-class related discussions in veteran channel 10 minutes ago
astral lark
i take no responsibility for my actions
oxymoron statement, you never do regardless
brave plume
Vet chat is very very rarely about vets
halcyon root
its anything goes in these channels according to the veterans
viral solstice
the key point is very basic
limber silo
oxymoron statement, you never do regardless
that's not what oxymoron means
halcyon root
still hearth
viral solstice
- that chart of state-based dr is broadly irrelevant and basically never matters 2) dodge/slide mitigating attacks is 99% invulnerability as opposed to any effects on toughness dr % 3) use ur nose
astral lark
that's not what oxymoron means
whoosh
still hearth
Do we need more proof?
Or is it obvious enough that you
100% have iframes to ranged
halcyon root
hahaha
limber silo
didn't even use that right either
limber silo
Yes I am familiar with the term "whoosh" you did not use it correctly
still hearth
near wyvern
Y'all need some sleep
fierce sinew
https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/XDIm6dKCP-AAE/d1337FiWYPw6...
this is pretty convincing to me, anyone with the contrary view have a recording to show the class?
limber silo
saying "oxymoron statement, you never do regardless" is ridiculous
spice veldt
i suppose it's why you can dodge backwards from a sniper shot and still be fine even if it goes through you
viral solstice
yes...
astral lark
Do we need more proof?
would be helpful to be shot from other angles
viral solstice
limber silo
addtionally, oxymoron isn't an adjective
still hearth
would be helpful to be shot from other angles
The shots literally pass through my camera
near wyvern
would be helpful to be shot from other angles
WDYM the ogryn runs into the shots, if you fire from the side you could argue "they miss because movement"
astral lark
regardless my statement was not limited to ranged
astral lark
no, you shifted to ranged only iframes to begin with
near wyvern
regardless my statement was not limited to ranged
But the discussion was about ranged iframes, no?
smoky fractal
whats going
astral lark
no
still hearth
And you refused to accept that
smoky fractal
we hitting ogryns in the back?
still hearth
You kept saying that they aren't ranged iframes
astral lark
But the discussion was about **ranged** iframes, no?
all damage during state not only ranged
astral lark
they shofted to ranged after the fact
brave plume
Just combine dodge and duck
still hearth
Crab specifically explained how it works
limber silo
But the discussion was about **ranged** iframes, no?
Originally the argument was "dodging/sliding gives i-frames"
smoky fractal
oh i dunno im just jumping in
still hearth
feral verge
we hitting ogryns in the back?
we be hitting ogryns from the back ;)
smoky fractal
we be hitting ogryns from the back ;)
aye letsss gooo
feral verge
less goo
fierce sinew
you can still be shot whole in dodge / slide / sprint state
this you?
limber silo
However, dodging/sliding give situational i-frames, not universal
astral lark
no, slides are iframes for zealots only
see here
viral solstice
they arent iframes
for zealots
tho
because u dont understand how it works at all
not least of which
that chart is toughness dr
still hearth
Zealot has toughness DR while sliding. They still take HP damage.
cyan notch
1) that chart of state-based dr is broadly irrelevant and basically never matter...
getting hit while running bad is good info tho
viral solstice
i mean maybe u can i never die....
smoky fractal
viral solstice
smoky fractal
tonights forecast, bricked force sword. Back to you Ekzek for the farm
viral solstice
one of the funniest things is that 100% toughness dr is not, in fact, invulnerability - because when toughness damage is taken, that dr figure is then modified by other things, which can reduce it to below 100%
such is life
limber silo
Zealot has toughness DR while sliding. They still take HP damage.
If a sniper hits a zealot while they're in a toughness DR state, would it still do a bunch of damage since snipers auto-break toughness?
viral solstice
no, because a sniper cant hit u while ur sliding
still hearth
They don't auto break toughness
You can tank sniper shots
It just does absurd toughness damage
fierce sinew
they just have a dummy thicc multiplier
limber silo
no, because a sniper cant hit u while ur sliding
hence why I didn't say sliding specifically
still hearth
10x toughness damage mod
still hearth
With Vet and enough DR you can tank sniper shots without dodging
viral solstice
theres some interesting interactions there
astral lark
Question do the dmg vs enemy type curios stack
smoky fractal
you guys using hub hotkeys, so useful, and sad cause its nice in the ship but nothing is in there
astral lark
that was my next, also, for the gunner one is that only dreg gunner or anything that says gunner
viral solstice
its both gunners and reapers
limber silo
I know fire always breaks toughness, and I know there are some enemies that have similar mechanics, is that affected by zealot's 100% toughness DR at all?
astral lark
its both gunners and reapers
wait reapers too?
still hearth
You can't slide through fire, yet.
viral solstice
yep
near wyvern
one of the funniest things is that 100% toughness dr is not, in fact, invulnerab...
Melee mobs have a x2 toughness damage multiplier so DR during slide is probably additive? With 100% toughness DR you are going to take x1 damage? But I dunno how that works with the zealot crazy resist build.
astral lark
nice
fierce sinew
gunner is an enemy type, not just an enemy name
viral solstice
Melee mobs have a x2 toughness damage multiplier so DR during slide is probably ...
its a bit diff than that
fierce sinew
it's just unfortunate overlap
astral lark
gunner is an enemy type, not just an enemy name
yeah but wondering which enemies fall under this type
viral solstice
but with no dr from crits
astral lark
Specifically
viral solstice
u can slide immune a crusher overhead as zealot with fulil toughness
fierce sinew
yeah but wondering which enemies fall under this type
and now you know 🙂
limber silo
that was my next, also, for the gunner one is that only dreg gunner or anything ...
Gunner applies to dreg gunner, scab gunner, and reapers
astral lark
wtf
still hearth
Jk it applies to their melees iirc
limber silo
Too bad there's no shotgun resistance
astral lark
gargbage resist
near wyvern
Don't apply to anything
Not even the health damage?
viral solstice
same with guard break attacks like overheads
u cant stack enough block eff to block an overhead because it just has a tag saying guard crush
still hearth
Not even the health damage?
People have claimed it doesn't do anything to HP damage, I haven't tested it myself.
cyan notch
yo aint there the reddit post which breaks this all down
still hearth
Might be something to do with the flames
limber silo
gargbage resist
I actually like gunner resistance since I can look at them and BB before ducking to cover easier
still hearth
Because they are actually
A DEBUFF
YOU GET FROM BEING IN THE FIRE
FOR SOME REASON
limber silo
and take less damage
astral lark
I actually like gunner resistance since I can look at them and BB before ducking...
oh sorry i meant the flamer and bomber, not gunner
pearl lion
It aint perfect but Its mine
astral lark
loving gunner resisting reapers
viral solstice
reapers do half damage to toughness
limber silo
oh yeah, those resists fucking suck
viral solstice
so if u got no toughness and ur near a r eaper
fierce sinew
the fire being a hazard separate from the flamer that put it there is a very fatshark-believable oversight
viral solstice
they poop on u
cyan notch
call me john dodgeguy in case anyone still needs proof u cant get hit by ranged while sliding
limber silo
the fire being a hazard separate from the flamer that put it there is a very fat...
you don't understand, the flamers have "special" fire
astral lark
call me john dodgeguy in case anyone still needs proof u cant get hit by ranged ...
ok johnny
viral solstice
the funniest thing about this whole argument is that the ghost blessing is implemented in code
literally as
dodge = true
limber silo
call me john dodgeguy in case anyone still needs proof u cant get hit by ranged ...
Thanks for showing me I'm just a dumbass and not bad at dodging captain shots
fierce sinew
the flamer's flamer has a "ignore curio effects" blessing on it
pls nerf
hadron likes him more
spice veldt
mfer
astral lark
flamer is ‘special’ hazard dmg i bet
viral solstice
but ye play duck n dive deadshot and u will very quickly learn a lot about dodgin ranged shit
cyan notch
he literally does not stop shotgunning ur ass until u go close enough to melee
limber silo
I literally lost a clutch the other day because of flash dodge hit flash dodge hit flash dodge die
spice veldt
most inconsistent shooting timings ever
limber silo
Was raging for a bit ngl
spice veldt
he has weird ass pauses
astral lark
i do love some dodge and slides
astral lark
I literally lost a clutch the other day because of *flash dodge hit flash dodge ...
whats flash here, psyker thing?
spice veldt
? i have to actually watch for cues smh
limber silo
The muzzle flash
astral lark
oh
viral solstice
every single enemy that shoots a ranged attack
pearl lion
I literally lost a clutch the other day because of *flash dodge hit flash dodge ...
nothing personnel ki
viral solstice
has a scope glare
fierce sinew
imagine actually looking at the screen while playing
viral solstice
just before they shoot
still hearth
Shotgunners be like
astral lark
yes and sound cues
viral solstice
this is the entire basis of the mitigation of ranged damage in this game
limber silo
imagine actually looking at the screen while playing
I'm more consistent at dodging with audio cues
spice veldt
but what if I want to make mashed potatoes with my keyboard and I need to mash my shift and C key specifically
astral lark
but they have predictable animations and timings too
astral lark
but what if I want to make mashed potatoes with my keyboard and I need to mash m...
i prefer mouse side button personally
feral verge
my replacement force sword
cyan notch
i hear the pump action and i slide
pearl lion
Does anyone else have the issue where the trapper makes multiple shooting sounds before they actually shoot?
viral solstice
WAIT
limber silo
i prefer mouse side button personally
I put jump on tab and left slide on ctrl
cyan notch
i aint looking for no torchlight
limber silo
dodge is stil space
spice veldt
interestingly, ranged enemies have an easier time hitting you if you dodge spam against them
rather than if you just dodge once during their glare
fierce sinew
i prefer mouse side button personally
I have dodge on shift and crouch on c and it seems fine for me
astral lark
I put jump on tab and left slide on ctrl
oh thats a good setup, seperating jump
still hearth
rather than if you just dodge once during their glare
This is probably because it resets their aim time
pearl lion
Dodge on space and jump on alt for me cause I am wrong
spice veldt
only downside is that I can't quell while sliding since my quell is on 'V'
still hearth
But if they don't fire they don't have to "aim" as long
feral verge
Dodge on space and jump on alt for me cause I am wrong
i have the same setup
astral lark
Dodge on space and jump on alt for me cause I am wrong
i need a foot keyboard for jump
pearl lion
i have the same setup
Let be wrong together sibling
astral lark
maybe like, a gaspedal
feral verge
Let be wrong together sibling
;)
halcyon root
Let be wrong together sibling
if this is so wrong then why does it feel so right?
limber silo
UNSTABLE POWER IS ALL OR NOTHING FOR PERIL?
Fatshark: 5% power at 100% peril? Send it. Meanwhile Slaughterer over here is racking up 75% power for just playing the game
pearl lion
if this is so wrong then why does it feel so right?
UwU
halcyon root
fierce sinew
just get one of the fancy racing wheels with a pedal, maybe autohotkey it to a key if the game doesn't like the specific device in question
restive slate
What kind of sibling on sibling situation have I stumbled upon here
spice veldt
also turns out that the plasmagun captain literally can't hit you if you just walk sideways to them
limber silo
get an eye monitor that auto dodges for you everytime you flinch irl
astral lark
just get one of the fancy racing wheels with a pedal, maybe autohotkey it to a k...
clearly i need to play dt this way
pearl lion
Set dodge to LMB
hard oyster
Activate evasive maneuvers!
Sir I can't hit him, he is doing this crazy thing where he... walks diagonally!
fierce sinew
the year is 2024 and the new meta is 4 AB purg aura psykers all playing on dk bongos
limber silo
Darktide Damnation True Solo on Guitar Hero controller??? (GONE WRONG) (NOT CLICKBAIT)
astral lark
no wait. i need a DDR input
restive slate
There's that car in Enclavum Baros, better be drivable next patch
astral lark
Darktide Damnation True Solo on Guitar Hero controller??? (GONE WRONG) (NOT CLIC...
Appropriate for psyker
quasi pier
Fatshark: 5% power at 100% peril? Send it. Meanwhile Slaughterer over here is ...
Didn't get say in the last update that unstable power actually stacks up to 4 times based on peril
astral lark
Guitar hero plus DDR
fierce sinew
yeah the templating is just ass
fierce sinew
hopefully the description gets fixed like warp nexus's did
limber silo
Didn't get say in the last update that unstable power actually stacks up to 4 ti...
ok, so 20% power at max peril? Still a hard pass from me
quasi pier
I want to try slaughtered + unstable power
spice veldt
bloodthirsty + slaughterer is my true love for force sword
viral solstice
why isnt that on staves tho
limber silo
I want to try slaughtered + unstable power
Just do Exorcist + Unstable Power for ultra-based mode
It's a shame staff specials are just flimsy whacks when we could've had a third "spell" to cast with it
spice veldt
shame that the best blessing on the force sword doesn't even involve peril
limber silo
It does if you take kinetic deflection
viral solstice
i mean
spice veldt
i'll knee you in the ass
limber silo
what would right click be then?
viral solstice
tap left click
shoots current left click
hold left click charges
literally that simple
just like a hellbore
spice veldt
oh wait nvm i misread what you said
restive slate
Purgatus should do that too then
viral solstice
yep
spice veldt
great point
limber silo
shoots current left click
You have to remember that weapons with charge shots kinda suck to tap fire since they still have the mini-charge animation before shooting
spice veldt
and as for surge, we'll never know
viral solstice
but i have a terrible suspicion
restive slate
Better than those boring single bolts
spice veldt
that mini-charge animation is just to prevent players from spamming LMB and RMB and rapid-firing both
limber silo
Epc has a slight delay before every shot
viral solstice
the downside of the hellbore left click is indeed that the gun has to disambiguate single from hold clicks right
astral lark
You have to remember that weapons with charge shots kinda suck to tap fire since...
eh you get used to it
limber silo
it would feel like Hellbore and I don't like that
viral solstice
but the staff left click is already awful
its got worse than teh downsides of hellbore left click
limber silo
At least they feel meaty when they hit
Surge staff primary should be a little hitscan lightning bolt
viral solstice
see thats also funny
limber silo
Trauma should be a shotgun force blast
viral solstice
that surge staff left click
is just better than voidstrike staff left click
because it has crit scaling
???????
limber silo
Voidstrike primary can stay the same? Idk how to make that one more fiting than it already looks
And fire staff can just stay. It's wimpy but pretty useful
still hearth
Make Voidstrike primary a melee
limber silo
Make Voidstrike primary a melee
No. Why carry a melee weapon then?
cyan notch
the staff melee specifically
still hearth
No. Why carry a melee weapon then?
Because it doesn't cost peril
Just make Voidstrike primary a melee blast
limber silo
so melee with peril cost?
restive slate
I suggest making the bolts have different effects and visuals
still hearth
And focus on the secondary being the damage shot
Yeah, like a force shove or something
viral solstice
so heres the otehr thing
voidstrike secondary fire
awful crit multi
all stave primary fires
amazing crit multi
limber silo
Where's my goddamn psy-greatsword that costs 20 peril to swing once and obliterates anything in it's path?
feral verge
I need it bad
limber silo
Sends daemonhost straight to the freaking Shadow Realm, not even the Warp
restive slate
No update this week right? Just comlink?
viral solstice
this is why a well rolled surge has kinda nasty left click dps lol
restive slate
That damage spike though
limber silo
I really wish our feats has some more synergy with shit that isn't soulblaze
spice veldt
in general, they patched out blessings from a weapon affecting other weapons a while ago; not sure if unstable power lived through this patch or whatever
limber silo
I remember reading that unstable power was bad
It still is: killing shit reduces peril, thus reducing your damage
and yeah, cross weapon blessigns were patched out
limber silo
But what if I stopped killing shit
Then yeah, you have a BUNCH of damage
too bad none of it is going on anything
feral verge
Yeah! Yeah I'm gonna do that then
limber silo
Yeah! Yeah I'm gonna do that then
knife zealot moment
feral verge
Brought to you by thammer gang
limber silo
If I kill enemy, they aren't bleeding anymore. Which means my DR goes away. I know! I won't kill anything
restive slate
When friendly fire is incorporated, just bleed your allies. Easy DR
limber silo
Who plays a zealot, Man of the God-Emperor and Deliverer of His Holy Might, just so they can use a butter knife? Use a real weapon
spice veldt
if I recall correctly, you used to be able to bleed your teammates by hitting barrels and apply haymaker to them couldn't you
viral solstice
these are 2 attacks on the SAME STAFF and look at those diff properties
its so annoying
spice veldt
one has the symbol of the front end of a gun :)
blazing oak
Even if FatShark is adamant about keeping locked blessings in, you should be able to upgrade the tier of the locked blessing if you own the higher tier, maybe for some materials
spice veldt
why does voidstrike do such shit damage to maniacs
limber silo
Fr dude, I shoot into a horde and if I even see a rager, I just pull out a melee
blazing oak
Yes truly, why does the voidstrike discriminate towards the mentally ill?
feral verge
Least it staggers them
limber silo
Pierce killers, those ones
viral solstice
weapons that are designed to do precision damage
which the voidstrike kinda is
because i t has the ridiculous hitbox
dont get to do good maniac damage
hence headhunters etc
spice veldt
took two balance patches for headhunters to be good lmao
blazing oak
So all the dregs need to do is inject everyone with rager drugs to counter voidstrike?
spice veldt
damn
spice veldt
whatever the trapper, bombers, flamers, etc. are on as well
viral solstice
the ratio on a lasgun, for reference
spice veldt
wow
viral solstice
is 170%
viral solstice
they buffed the kickback and shotgun vs maniacs
but yeah maniac damage is the biggest troll stat in this game
its all over the place
blazing oak
What does that even cover again
limber silo
Are you getting killed by Loyalist Psykers? Just be really fucking mad, they can't legally kill you if you're really angry
spice veldt
just like the meth that they smoke
blazing oak
Ragers and what else
viral solstice
maniacs is non flak ragers, mutants, both flamers, trappers
blazing oak
They don’t fall under specialist?
spice veldt
a lot of specialists are maniacs
viral solstice
specialist is an enemy type
maniac is an armour type
a "hitbox" will have maniac
like unyielding
but yea its weird
limber silo
i.e. bombers are specialists w/ flak armor
viral solstice
the laspistol kills flak ragers 3x faster than nonflak ragers
u just imagine the normie ragers looking at the flak ragers like
spice veldt
i also think that bombers have maniac heads dont they
viral solstice
why did u idiots bring armour
spice veldt
lemayo force sword one-shotting scab ragers with light-specials
blazing oak
I gotta say I like the new loner voice lines where if you kill a recently tagged enemy the loner responds to the tag callout with “Gone!”
limber silo
Yeah, armored ragers are actually weaker than unarmored, smh
viral solstice
oh yeah there are new voice lines aren't there
and soem good ones
for multi psyker parties
i had one psyker tag a trapper
and say
"trapper!"
and my character said, as i was charging brain burst
"dont worry sibling, not for long"
viral solstice
ive heard quite a lot more specific interactions
blazing oak
Still no psyker and zealot emotes
limber silo
I want more crazy/heretical voice lines for psyker
dusky bear
should i buy from melk?
viral solstice
do u have warp flurry for voidstrike staves
limber silo
Speaking to the whispers like, "Begone Nurgle, you fat fuck. Get out of my head."
spice veldt
mmm if you have nothing better
blazing oak
Speaking to the whispers like, "Begone Nurgle, you fat fuck. Get out of my head...
That’s not heresy!
limber silo
Then everyone is real uncomfortable that you just said Nurgle is in your head
viral solstice
dusky bear
do u have warp flurry for voidstrike staves
warp flurry 3 yeah
viral solstice
then yeah thats a decent stave
blazing oak
I wish I could take pictures to ask about two staffs but the steam deck is too reflective for the phone
viral solstice
u can blessing swap wf3 and u gotta a 95% meta voidstrike
true steam deck gamers call it the STECK
limber silo
malk knows what i want
Literally only useful for beasts
viral solstice
i just made that up
dusky bear
neat
viral solstice
the funny thing is
its not even useful for beasts
especially on a laspistol
raking fire doesn't multiply ur damage
it adds a % of base
so if ur hitting a weak spot or critting
spice veldt
oh my god
viral solstice
the effective damage multiplier is incredibly low
spice veldt
what
viral solstice
yep
blazing oak
Then everyone is real uncomfortable that you just said Nurgle is in your head
Speaking of this, the loner even tells their team not to act like they are going to go insane at any moment. I want more lines between the other non psykers whispering about the psyker or non trusting
spice veldt
why
viral solstice
raking fire enables a thing called backstab damage
limber silo
that's fucking horrible
viral solstice
the damage calc is done like this
a bunch of stuff is summed
backstab is a separate term
thats why weakspot damage
and crit damage modifiers
are also doggy doodoo
dusky bear
rate my burny boy
spice veldt
WHEEEEEEEEW
viral solstice
because they dont apply to ur base damage only the bonus
blazing oak
true steam deck gamers call it the STECK
Nah I prefer my typo I once said because typing on the steam deck sucks: Steak Deck
viral solstice
yep
the idea for those i think was
make them a bit weaker because they are universal right
limber silo
rate my burny boy
It'll be nice once flurry works properly
viral solstice
they apply to all enemies
spice veldt
mhm
viral solstice
weakspot is arguably not the worst on eg iags or headhunters
beacuse at least u can use the bonus
and their weakspot multis are good
blazing oak
Specifically the steak was from a typo that happened because I was trying to type steam deck on a steam deck keyboard
dusky bear
It'll be nice once flurry works properly
it feels like it works already? or is it not giving as much a boost as it should?
viral solstice
but its still always in all situations worse than the armour type modifiers
that are actually multiplicative
and therefore the best
blazing oak
What’s the dump stat for surge in your opinion
spice veldt
stuff like First Salvo is multiplicative right
limber silo
it feels like it works already? or is it not giving as much a boost as it should...
Probably because purge starts charging before the ending animation completes
By the time you do the fist clench, you're already at about 15% charge
viral solstice
stuff like First Salvo is multiplicative right
oh this is an amazing one
so opening salvo is multiplicative
it says power right
now let me show u something beautiful
blazing oak
hey would making the Mind in Motion feat also allow you to sprint while quelling help buff it?
viral solstice
yes
taht would make it fuckin bananas
imagine the build
u would run run n gun mind in motion
blazing oak
Does quelling reduce your dodge distance?
viral solstice
and just sprint around at mach 69
limber silo
Still a trap feat
still hearth
Mind in Motion should just make you autoquell when you're not attacking
limber silo
just dodge slide while quellng
limber silo
ooooh
viral solstice
no
limber silo
that's nice
viral solstice
what mind in motion should do is very simple
when u dodge or slide immuine a ranged or melee attack
u quell peril
think about it
blazing oak
Hey does quelling without the feat make your dodge distance shorter
viral solstice
the synergy with quietitude...
spice veldt
smh only veterans get something as cool as that
viral solstice
dont know but probably
but broadly dodge distance doesn't matter too much except for spacing
ok u see this gun
how much damage
do u think it does
in a 3 round burst
spice veldt
that's a suggestion that meshes well with the current game mechanics
blazing oak
I use mind in motion not because I believe that the speed increase is great, but to synergize with cerebral lacerations and kinetic barrage to most efficiently buff team against bosses
spice veldt
i'll assume that 20% is actually 10% on IAG
viral solstice
oh no
both of those combined
add up to a 7% increase in the damage of a 3 round burst
over me just tapping 3x
spice veldt
🙃
viral solstice
that blessing
EVEN HAS THE SAME STYLE OF NAME
as opening salvo
except opening salvo 1) makes no fuckin sense because ur only shooting one shot 2) is power and they aren't
oh yeah and u know that blessing "deadly accurate"
spice veldt
mhm
spice veldt
is it only on crits
blazing oak
Why does surge and purge have so few blessing options compared to strike and trauma(tize)
spice veldt
and it boosts weakspot damage
viral solstice
Why does surge and purge have so few blessing options compared to strike and tra...
i think big difficulty with surge and purge is that the staff secondary archetype would need blessings for that archetype
viral solstice
what purge probably coulda nicked was something like showstopper
well its not exactly double shit
viral solstice
its just a huge trap
blazing oak
Hey what is the surge dump stat
viral solstice
in fact in most cases
blazing oak
If it has one
viral solstice
its elss damage than opening salvo
spice veldt
:)
viral solstice
spice veldt
i love it when 50% < 12.5%
viral solstice
i assume crit is usually dump stat on surge but tbh
i dont think it really matters
like with surge all that matters is uptime
everything else is secondary
spice veldt
crits are like 2.5x damage on surge
viral solstice
but u shouldnt use it anyway out of protest until they make the chain lightning staff actually fun instead of one of the most boring weapons in the game
spice veldt
at least with the numbers i'm reading off of a 78% crit surge
blazing oak
I’m deciding whether +13% critical bonus and +8% specialist damage is worth -8% elite damage, and -1% damage charge rate and quell speed
cyan notch
Hey what is the surge dump stat
charge or warp res
spice veldt
oh fuck
viral solstice
yeah
thats the spicy part
a left click surge staff
is the highest damage left click staff
blazing oak
Warp resistance is fine on surge staff wdym
viral solstice
because surge gets up to like 25% base crit chance with a max crit roll
and the left click on staves scales really well with crit
except
except
the lightning itself doesnt scale that well
spice veldt
here are the secondary damage numbers for surge
blazing oak
but u shouldnt use it anyway out of protest until they make the chain lightning ...
Hey wait it is fun for people like me who have the “enhance team achieving objective” mindset of support players
viral solstice
well thats the funny part
think about it
what is crit doing on ur secondary
ITS MAKING UR HORDE CLEAR BETTER
spice veldt
WOOOOOOOOO
viral solstice
THATS WHAT IT DOES
viral solstice
Hey wait it is fun for people like me who have the “enhance team achieving objec...
dude if u like it more power to u
im not gonna shit in ur sandwich
blazing oak
is the highest damage left click staff
Too bad surge doesn’t get transfer peril eh?
viral solstice
i just thought it was gonna evaporate people with lightning
blazing oak
Moebian guard traitors fall like dominoes
viral solstice
woweeeee
i mean
actually
memes aside
i do end up surging poxwalkers sometimes with mine just because its got a lot of crit so killing 2 isnt that bad
blazing oak
Best part of the force sword is that when you activate the special it instantly cuts off limbs of corpses
And leaves the blue stuff behind
viral solstice
its just sad to me that ive had this forever
and it feels so bad
especially on high intensity 5
where it feels kinda int to use
blazing oak
Hey I’ve got a penance idea for easier but weapon specific ones: Kill an enemy you can’t see with the surge staff lightning bounce
viral solstice
just because theres so frequently more shit than ur even able to taser
tired jackal
@viral solstice best general everything for void staff? for my alt psyker
viral solstice
tbh im not really a psyker main ive experimented a lil with the other staves i only play voidstrike
blazing oak
just because theres so frequently more shit than ur even able to taser
Yeah I’ve developed a front line play style for the surge staff.
viral solstice
i would say that the best strictly is probably purg
but generally voidstrike is fine
u just need good rolls
and good positining
ornate hamlet
@viral solstice
first off, gun psyker sucks.
second, dps is very dependant on perks (where you hit the enemy) and blessings.
final irisBOT
@ornate hamlet No deadspace messages please.
blazing oak
My biggest problem with the surge staff is that I have no idea if my teammates even notice when I help them and so I have anxiety if they dislike me for it
restive slate
Dead space wow
ornate hamlet
bot deleted my link, 1 sec
https://exputer.com/guides/warhammer-40k-darktide-unyielding-enemy/
read this
bot was just mad i put a space in the message
viral solstice
yea i know all that shit
half of those kinds of posts are based on datamining i dkd
ornate hamlet
this guide is good, it explains some of the enemies armor types on various body parts
knowing where to hit enemies is pretty helpful tho
blazing oak
Does anyone else remember being able to manually turn off the force sword special back in beta
ornate hamlet
because big damage boost from perks if you know what you're doing
blazing oak
I swear this was a thing
blazing oak
my Chainaxe begs to differ
ornate hamlet
they mean it doesn't stagger
viral solstice
im confused i was literally explaining how hitbox labels work to somebody 15mins ago
still hearth
Yeah but that wording is so garbage
ornate hamlet
still, when i read that guide a long time ago it was an eye opener for me, i was like Ooooooh ok perks matter a LOT then
blazing oak
Hold on you said surge has the highest damage for left click
viral solstice
should do
blazing oak
I’m not seeing a difference between it and the cobweb covered voidstrike I have
ornate hamlet
+25% to unyielding and hitting the right parts = big dps boost
that 25% is boosted a lot when you factor in the finesse multiplier, the armor piercing multiplier, and blessings
viral solstice
you won't see it there
they will be the same
its just that voidstrike doesn't have scaling crit
and so its left clicks wont crit
anywhere near as much
left click blaze bolt has good crit multi
blazing oak
Wait why does it say “primary action MELEE crit chance”
blazing oak
Why is Sustained Fire not on voidstrike?
blazing oak
No my own equipment
blazing oak
The blessings I unlocked for one staff aren’t unlocked for others
restive slate
Is it just me that I don't like gameslantern?
A pity that I can't see darkmass anymore
blazing oak
Well the only other option is the Wikia and that was barebones last time I contributed to it
restive slate
Only ones doing guides I know and watch is j_sat and jctlive
And those aren't really even guides neither
blazing oak
Did anyone else see the dnd alignment chart meme someone made in the subreddit