you cancel them if you timed it properly, you're not actually immune to anything tho
#psyker-class
ornate hamlet
feral verge
And I've been playing zealot
spice veldt
I love it
should've taken those sniper hits while downed smh
dusky bear
theres t4 comsplex up now. ill shieldgryn for you if you want to try for it
still hearth
You are immune to ranged fire while sliding.
feral verge
Sure@dusky bear
spice veldt
commsplex's midevent spawns a shit ton of gunners and shotgunners
still hearth
If you pay attention in game you can very clearly get hit by shots
And take no damage while you're sliding
dusky bear
still hearth
It's most obvious on Ogryn where ranged enemies sometimes don't shoot over your head
dusky bear
commsplex's midevent spawns a shit ton of gunners and shotgunners
yeah the room where you drop down has gaurenteed shotgunner/gunner spawns with no trash mob spawns. its where i got going out with a bang
still hearth
No friendly fire, smh.
ornate hamlet
If you pay attention in game you can very clearly get hit by shots
you can do this with dodge timing too, not just sliding
feral verge
yeah the room where you drop down has gaurenteed shotgunner/gunner spawns with n...
i tried it twice before
the first itme, i only got 2
so close, yet so far
dusky bear
yeah its v finicky
fair kayak
I wish there was more of a point to bosses in this game
spice veldt
i wonder if snipers not doing dmg to captain shields is a specifically coded interaction or just a byproduct of something else
esp since chasm terminus is prob one of the harder finales
depending on the spawns
open ass space
the magistrati assassination mission really only spawns elites at a specific time
and you usually gank the boss before that time
fair kayak
what that SHOULD do is fork the Orb when it crits
near wyvern
the hell is this https://prnt.sc/IzN70DNFIGy9
Does exactly what it says, you crit and there will be a second spell hitting the enemy
Essentially a double multiplier on crits
fair kayak
so if you fire it into a mass of enemies it should send orbs flying in every direction
still hearth
Does Surge work on Void secondary though?
fair kayak
and the name of the blessing should be "Pinball Wizard"
near wyvern
Does Surge work on Void secondary though?
Dunno, it doesn't with trauma 😦
safe crystal
Does Surge work on Void secondary though?
I've seen a lot of people say yes, so i've been looking for the blessing for a week now to get a proper test in
supple skiff
testing in the grinder rn
still hearth
I'm not sure if I'd consider Surge to be BiS even if it worked on secondary tbh
Probably not.
safe crystal
Probably not, but it'd be cool
spice veldt
maybe with warp nexus
near wyvern
You would have to run warp nexus to get more value but then you can't run transfer peril which is BiS for void
spice veldt
and it means giving up warp flurry as well
supple skiff
yeah I dont know if im going to use this really
have a void with t3 flury and quell and its great
dont think surge is going to hold a candle to it
yeah doesnt look like ti works with the rmb
summer prairie
if you just keep moving they can never hit https://streamable.com/mf0a8s
supple skiff
a second bolt with the same charge level flying out on a crit would be pretty fucking good, too bad
spice veldt
every time this discussion about surge happens, I hope that the people before were wrong
spice veldt
if you just keep moving they can never hit https://streamable.com/mf0a8s
and then you get downed for the millesecond in-between your dodge-slides
supple skiff
fingers crossed that get changed eventually
spice veldt
it's a mfing t4 blessing
no reason for it to be this shit
and the primaries on every staff except purg suck
supple skiff
well, I managed to fish out a t4 warp flurry so thats pretty nice
https://prnt.sc/mDKy7U8ONhZX new and improved sparky stick
huh, so I hadn't noticed this but the peril generation for voids rmb charge (and not the shot itself) isnt a fixed amount per full charge but rather based on the amount of time taken to charge
so flurry in a sense decreases peril generation
spice veldt
so it's the same as BB
LMB and RMB have the same peril generation per second while holding them if I recall correctly
near wyvern
LMB and RMB have the same peril generation per second while holding them if I re...
Correct
spice veldt
yeah I was reading that off of your guide
near wyvern
olive ember
Wonder what 10/10 teammates I'll get in my damnation match today
olive ember
well yeah
leaden thunder
so they aer often easier then heresy
olive ember
since patch all the tryhards have moved from sedition/uprising/malice back to damnation
near wyvern
When I play with my friends it often ends with me being the last player up, when I play with randos only it's usually smooth sailing
Damnation/Damnation hi
Damnation lo is the best my friends can handle
olive ember
yes game thank you for the amazing lasguns on my psyker
My friends have mostly played on malice, we've done hi heresy with varying success but most recently I managed to get through damn hi with two of em
stuck shoal
How do u spawn enemies in meatgrinder
olive ember
mods
leaden thunder
I am tryign to get my friends to go up in diff
stuck shoal
wha
near wyvern
I would panic with that amount of ingots, I have like 9k, gotta be ready when those juicy T4 blessings appear
leaden thunder
did a heresy with them a few days ago
olive ember
I just don't care enough about blessings and farming weeklies anymore rip
near wyvern
How do u spawn enemies in meatgrinder
Creature spawner, you also need Healthbar to have the healthbars appear on them
olive ember
at one point I used all 6k on melks gacha gambling and yeah didn't get shit
after which I just rage quit from weeklies
summer prairie
you can probably do all the weeklies in one or two matches now if you roll right ones
olive ember
I mean now you have the excuse of "damnation is actually worth it"
near wyvern
at one point I used all 6k on melks gacha gambling and yeah didn't get shit
I watched a YouTube video of someone dropping 3k on the Milk machine, never gambled on it after seeing that
olive ember
Meh its wte tho I got a good surge staff and a decent enough FS
spice veldt
i've dropped 6k of milk bottles on curios on my vet
good thing I don't play vet anymore I guess
wet jacinth
crystal jolt
tbf that first bit can be kinda rough
particularly if there's loads of gunners on the stairs
wet jacinth
spice veldt
the openness of that first section usually makes me double take
wet jacinth
Just kill them
spice veldt
and even i'm usually the type of player that runs in any situation
wet jacinth
They cant hurt you If you kill them
summer prairie
Snipers doing friendly fire damage can wake up a daemonspawn. Should I report this very serious bug
spice veldt
i think daemonhosts might stay in an aggroed state if they take too much damage
supple skiff
^Ive seen that happen
spice veldt
i've had an impassable situation where a reaper was gunning at us and bonked the daemonhost a few times
and the god damn daemonhost was shaking even after we killed the reaper
and we were at a far distance away
it was also one of those spots where you have to go near the daemonhost to pass by
far enough away that an unalerted daemonhost won't wake up, but close enough that an awake daemonhost will get aggroed
dusky bear
it should agro on the sniper
id love this. watch a daemon host tear through a group of specials before dissapearing
idle bay
Something Crazy just happened.
On Veteran i killed Crusher with ONE burst to the head from Vraks MK III
Now i will live in Meat Grinder to repeat that
spice veldt
We had 2 snipers standing on a Daemonhost the other day
imagine not having a psyker on the team
fair kayak
imagine not having a psyker on the team
problem is
the Ogryn
just started spraying the Snipers
and tagged the host
spice veldt
f
fair kayak
and we were already fighting a horde and a huge pack of elites
it was a wiperino, so very sad
feral verge
Atleast ogryn has an excuse
fair kayak
I called it out 2/10ths of a second too late
spice veldt
i wonder if it would be a good skill to just jump in front of a teammate in case you ever come across a situation like this
near wyvern
Anyone else pickin up half the mats for their team?
crystal jolt
Anyone else pickin up half the mats for their team?
yep
running around to all the crates they just walk past
even on low int heresy/damn they don't bother
summer prairie
in a recent game I was like 500/250
dusky bear
i did a little trolling. this conversation reminded me of this clip because not only did i troll a friend, you can see the ogryn with us getting big mad that we were looking for scriptures and mats
it was using wrong mic, but you can hear me losing my shit in the background
spice veldt
it was using wrong mic, but you can hear me losing my shit in the background
the next step is to kill your friend with a poxburster somehow and in some way
near wyvern
the next step is to kill your friend with a poxburster somehow and in some way
Trauma is perfect for that
long wharf
it was using wrong mic, but you can hear me losing my shit in the background
this nonsense is precisely why I don't listen to people that don't ping
regal onyx
the next step is to kill your friend with a poxburster somehow and in some way
I did that on accident one time. Random teammember jumped towards a poxburster to push him away, I shot and killed the poxburster and the guy ragdolled out. 
No video because I'm not a streamer
dusky bear
this nonsense is precisely why I don't listen to people that don't ping
what me killing my friend with a barrel or the ogryn getting mad that we looked for mats?
dusky bear
well if you watch
i pinged the med kit multiple times
i also kept telling him i was going to be a dick this game 
spice veldt
"not technically a barrel" would be my argument in court
feral verge
reminded me of when i got kicked from a game. for the first time, afaik
i was interminttently using the 'i need ammo' voice line
(as psyker)
(with staff)
i made the zealot mad
half iron
goofy ahh barrel
broken quail
I recall when the beta came out and my strike team kicked a poor ogryn who replaced someone who crashed, new guy couldn’t join (thanks fatshark)
dusky bear
it is malice!
i hope they changed that and i wasnt just so blind that i kept trying it on heresy
either way malice is much easier
feral verge
yee
fair kayak
i wish I gave a shit about pennances
I envy you dweebs running around doing dumb shit for cosmetics
crystal jolt
probs mutants for gunner res i'd say
neat sand
at last 1h 10m on the perk lotto we got flak \O/
idle bay
at last 1h 10m on the perk lotto we got flak \O/
There is a mod that do the re-rolls for you 🙂
still hearth
I am happy for you.
neat sand
really? dam what is it called lol XD
spice veldt
as the name implies, it only rerolls until a particular rarity and not a specific perk
but it's much better than nothing if you want to get a t4
with the mod installed, you only need to click refine once and it will automatically reroll for you until it reaches a specific rarity
neat sand
oooo handy thank you kindly pressing start now and then is less painfull then click click click click click rofl
spice veldt
yup; it's how I got t4 perks on my weapons
i otherwise just stuck with t3 perks before this mod came out
if you don't already have the other mod stuff downloaded, make sure to do that and follow the instructions outlined in the #instructions channel of the modding discord
https://discord.gg/GFyCGNpJb8
neat sand
i got the modsetup done before the rerolls just to see if sharpshooters know what plaststeel looks like lol , first game they picked up 0 items apart from ammo
that mod is so fast wow double thank you XD
frail berry
yikes, how important is penetration (yes phrasing)
rigid sky
What's a good way to build a force sword for a Purgatus Psyker on Damnation, and when should you actually use it? I like Deflector for safety as a blessing since my long-range shooter clearing is just slow-ass brain bursts atm.
leaden thunder
sluaghterer
rigid sky
Well that's good, I have Slaughterer on mine already. What perks are good?
leaden thunder
maniac and flak iirc
rigid sky
It's mostly a Mutant masher right?
spice veldt
+maniac is pretty much the only "necessary" perk cuz of mutants and dreg ragers
torpid olive
What does Peril Resistance actually do?
rigid sky
Occasional skirmishing work but most of the time it's a Mutant that dives in
spice veldt
flak is a popular choice cuz of dreg bruisers with their flak heads and whatnot
leaden thunder
like 75% of enemies are falk
spice veldt
yeah mutants are a big threats and need to be DPSed down
leaden thunder
or have flak on them
spice veldt
true, even reapers have some flak, though its finicky to hit it
near wyvern
What does Peril Resistance actually do?
Reduces tha amount of peril generated by the special attack and the push attack. Mainly by the special since the push cost is so tiny.
fossil venture
What does Peril Resistance actually do?
it reduces the amount of peril you accumulate
spice veldt
with certain blessing combinations on the force sword, I personally wouldn't go for flak and would instead go for carapace or something to snipe the big boys
rigid sky
Does it affect Kinetic Deflection?
near wyvern
For Force Sword, peril resistance is not important
rigid sky
Peril resist I mean
near wyvern
Kinetic deflection scales with peril resist yes, at least claimed by the developers. Haven't tested it, but at least inner tranq seems to have an effect.
frail berry
I have +1 stam and carapace on my fs main, I think carapace does help subjectively
spice veldt
Carapace lets you two-shot a crusher with heavy-special headshots, so there's that
near wyvern
Carapace is only crushers and mauler heads
And the time you go in and special one, their friend will take free blows while you are stuck in an animation :/
still hearth
Carapace deez nu--
near wyvern
Spicy
spice veldt
i have time for a special if i activate special -> push -> special
though I usually light special to be on the safe side
near wyvern
Quicken
spice veldt
With your Quicken shout
also spicy
near wyvern
spice veldt
i was so depressed at losing my warp charges
and having no built-in way to get them back
spice veldt
like I kept missing breakpoints that my brain assumed I would hit
near wyvern
WDYM still, it was garbage even with 100% quelling.
still hearth
Just let me be the peril machine
spice veldt
because I usually have 3 or more warp charges at a given time
near wyvern
Imagine having warp battery and giving up 24% damage just so you can fart soon again.
still hearth
But Quicken is almost worse for it.
I just want CDR
Give me CDR on Quicken
Make it anything useful
Make it 1% per target hit
I don't care
spice veldt
no; you get to go fuck yourself instead
near wyvern
Yeah it should be just like flat 10 sec off the CD
spice veldt
tmi >:(
spice veldt
something basic like that would be fine
near wyvern
Lol
spice veldt
because one of the best things about kinetic barrage is that it's a straight up buff
near wyvern
That would be broken AF
spice veldt
8.8 second ults with combat abil regen
near wyvern
4 psyker party giving up 6 stack shouts every 2.5 sec
still hearth
Lets go
spice veldt
hell yeah
near wyvern
Someone running Psykinetic's Aura as well.
spice veldt
even better
still hearth
Instant shouting
near wyvern
1 elite/special down = everyone has shout again.
still hearth
Now we're gaming
I mean would you run it
If it went from 30s
To 20s
Compared to the other ones?
Idk if I would
hard oyster
Shout-burn-free stacks is hard to pass up
spice veldt
and being able to ult to make space to snipe bombers is still great
still hearth
Quicken would just let you play more effectively, and make space
Which seemed to be the idea anyway??
spice veldt
since the one thing that psykers lack while BBing is space
near wyvern
Whenever I see shotgunners I ult. No matter which one I am running and I don't care if I loose my charges. If it has a shotgun, it needs to sit on the floor.
still hearth
But it is just so ass
fair kayak
Someone who understands this game please explain to me
spice veldt
even with warp communion and flayer, I didn't have max warp charges up all the time
fair kayak
what does toughness regen % do?
still hearth
On curios?
hard oyster
Sit down shotgun guy, I don't wana be 1-tappes
fair kayak
It makes Coherency regen faster.
not just the delay before it kicks in?
spice veldt
i got two-tapped by shotgunners that rolled up on my ass in hab dreyko
still hearth
That also
fair kayak
the actual rate of regen is faster?
fair kayak
is it worth stacking?
spice veldt
if you stick with your team, it's amazing
near wyvern
If quicken was 10 sec off CD ( = 20 sec CD on ult) and you run psykinetic's aura, you would only need 2 elite/special kills to shout again.
fair kayak
whats the baseline rate?
still hearth
Uh
spice veldt
yeah, psyker is prob one of the classes that need toughness regen the least because of our insanely good feats
near wyvern
Yes, and 6 seconds for casting and 3 seconds for getting to the targets or fucking up one cause your vet killed it before you could pop
still hearth
Toughness regen is 5 per second, you get 0.5/0.75/1x regen based on allies near you.
fair kayak
like im gaining 22% of WHAT when I wear a toughness regen curio
spice veldt
but more ult for more space
still hearth
Instead of Laceration
With lower CD
I mean 10s off ult CD is still better than current Quicken
But it should be at least 15s to compete.
fair kayak
quicken sucks balls
crystal jolt
yeah, psyker is prob one of the classes that need toughness regen the least beca...
i don't think any classes feats contest the veteran toughness regen on elite kill tbh
still hearth
Yes, yes it does.
near wyvern
15s is so freaking fast ult
near wyvern
With warp battery enemies will be just on their ass all the time
spice veldt
THEIR ULT HAS A 25 SECOND COOLDOWN
spice veldt
AND THEIR ULT LASTS 5 SECONDS BY DEFAULT
still hearth
At all
spice veldt
SO IT'S A 20 SECOND COOLDOWN
fair kayak
listen
spice veldt
WAAAAAAAGGGHH
fair kayak
we all know Veteran is for babies
hard oyster
Eh we have infinite fire and can stagger every non boss
near wyvern
Instead of Laceration
All Lacerations does is guarantees bukwarks are always 2 BB and mutants are 3 BB with 1 or more charges.
still hearth
And that my lasgun idiot team-mate
Might use a bit less ammo
So the others get some
near wyvern
It's ok'ish but not enough compared to what is on the same column
still hearth
Well if we assume ult CD is 10s
hard oyster
Means I don't have to worry about spamming n running outa ammo
Just killing myself.
still hearth
I'd probably not run CDR because that's a bit excessive
Or I do anyway
And just blast constantly
spice veldt
hell yeah
hard oyster
CDR gives less the smaller the base cooldown
still hearth
Nope
Well
Assuming they don't
Do that
Because currently Quicken works as CDR does.
spice veldt
so far, cooldown reductions don't mess with each other multiplicatively
hard oyster
10% off 200 seconds feels like alot more n 10% off 10 seconds
spice veldt
only additively
still hearth
Yeah but CDR reduction tends to not mess with the base CD
But if you change the base CD to 10s
I'd be okay with that
spice veldt
well I'm not actually sure about that with combat ability regen, but that seems true so far with Psykinetic's Aura and Quicken
hard oyster
Like I'd rather more HP or Toughness than more shouts
still hearth
Well that's not gonna happen on the level 30 feat
spice veldt
quietude users would be eating good
hard oyster
Unbuffed* shouts
spice veldt
gimme that 25% toughness
near wyvern
Imagine psyker ult base at 10 sec. BB 4 times ult, vent to 0 while you are at it, repeat.
leaden thunder
Yeah but CDR reduction tends to not mess with the base CD
cooldown reduction reduction
still hearth
Quicken for life
near wyvern
Closed beta all over again
spice veldt
ulting is also a free BB at 100%
hard oyster
So when I get clown-door mutied in my bootyhole maybe I have a shred of blue left lol
near wyvern
ulting is also a free BB at 100%
That's why you BB 4 times
spice veldt
BB into explosion anim and ult
still hearth
I JUST WANT QUICKEN TO MAKE MY ULTS FASTER
spice veldt
oo
still hearth
NOT WORSE
spice veldt
speed
still hearth
What if
leaden thunder
I sitll think combat ability regen needs to be like 25% if you have all t4 perks of it
fair kayak
All Lacerations does is guarantees bukwarks are always 2 BB and mutants are 3 BB...
ironically Laceration is better on T4 than T5
near wyvern
Yeah it's funny cause the knock back scales with charges but oh well there went the charges
fair kayak
Laceration breakpoints are all on Heresy
fair kayak
Damnation it doesnt cut the mustard
near wyvern
ironically Laceration is better on T4 than T5
I can imagine, since BB deals same damage no matter the difficulty
spice veldt
also, doesn't each warp charge give less CDR than psykinetic's aura does for each elite killed
spice veldt
waaaaagh
fair kayak
I can imagine, since BB deals same damage no matter the difficulty
on T4 it guarantees a 2 shot on everything
still hearth
I mean if I'm going to spend charges
spice veldt
even with 6 warp charges, that's still 90%
still hearth
At least give me my ult back instantly
spice veldt
doesn't even go over 100%
spice veldt
ye, I'm imagine a scenario where quicken gave 15% cdr instead
still hearth
Oh ye
spice veldt
it's not like the current martyrdom which requires you to have negative HP for 8 stacks lmao
still hearth
Quicken should give
50% each
But
You only use
Up to two
So you can spam charges
fair kayak
Quicken should be removed and replaced with something more interesting and actually good
hard oyster
3 back to back shouts
hard oyster
Fuckin give me lightning storm
spice veldt
smh asking for something else other than soulblaze
near wyvern
It would be interesting if quicken was inverted. Spends all your warp charges and for each charge spent, you have a longer CD. The base reduction would be 75% and each charge takes away 12.5% CDR.
still hearth
Hmm
near wyvern
So you can do a big knock back every now and then or many little staggers
still hearth
near wyvern
And obviously if you build a staff around no charges you can use it to just vent off every 7.5 sec.
still hearth
Well
spice veldt
since BBing is sort of necessary in situations with bulwarks and catching fast enemies
near wyvern
Then some rando sibling comes in with their communion and gives you a charge when you didn't ask for one
spice veldt
warp charges aren't something you can control unless you actively avoid BB
hard oyster
Here's the real question. Is it better to go flamer or spark staff in pubs
still hearth
Doesn't Communion only proc on you if you also have it?
Flamer
I can't trust pubs to kill things
near wyvern
Surge can't carry
hard oyster
Okay, I feel that
near wyvern
Surge is an enabler
fair kayak
Purg staff + Kinetic Barrage means you can handle ANYTHING
even if your team is retarded
near wyvern
Enabling shitty players equals shitty gameplay. Enabling great players equals great gameplay. You do the rest of the math.
hard oyster
Gotchya boss
still hearth
The only downside of running Purge
Is that there could be another flamer/Purge
Which isn't that big of a deal
But it definitely has diminishing returns
fair kayak
if you are good you can run void
its not as good as purg
but it can still clear hordes pretty well
near wyvern
If you run void avoid damnation hi, everything else is doable
hard oyster
Guners make my life pain when I play purge, and I always find a flamer in the party, so I end up melee the whole time n downing because why flame things twice i guess
still hearth
Warp Flurry void with Transfer Peril
Is actually a contender for horde clear with Purge, up to a certain point of enemies
near wyvern
Warp Flurry void with Transfer Peril
Yeah that's BiS blessings for void
still hearth
But once you go beyond like 20 enemies
fair kayak
Guners make my life pain when I play purge, and I always find a flamer in the pa...
Surge is very nice for spanking gunners
still hearth
Purge shines so hard
spice veldt
void's cleave limit is rather apparent
spice veldt
yeah; it only deals its epicentre damage to a few enemies, even if they're groaners/poxwalkers
deals outer radius dmg to the rest
spice veldt
until it randomly decides to ignore its cleave limit
still hearth
Then it goes boom and does no damage
spice veldt
for some reason that I can't figure out
still hearth
Crits?
still hearth
I think I had that
I fired into a door
And the game sound clipped
Just complete silence after a massive explosion noise
spice veldt
the game's attempt to crash you and stop you from playing voidstrike
hard oyster
Should be on the circle staff
still hearth
I prefer the staff with ammo
spice veldt
don't touch my beloved
wow there's this staff with ammo right next to this barrel
come get it why don't you
spice veldt
until you get recon/autopistol teammates
spice veldt
true
hard oyster
Ammo staff? Gun?
spice veldt
a staff only available to the psykers with the biggest brains
tiny belfry
Damnit, I'm outa Gun Mana!
I use my gun-staff to cast iron ball 30 times before reblessing with the holy ore
near wyvern
players shooting their kantrael against crushers be like
This is why you bring Trauma with Rending Shockwave, you get more value out of your idiot team mates
spice veldt
that's one of the big reasons why I slapped a rending onto my trauma lmaoo
but I don't encounter players who shoot at crushers with non-bolters/plasmaguns anymore :(
my teammates are too good; woe is me
at least flamers/purg get to benefit from it
i guess I could spawn bots in the meatgrinder to test how well that rending buff helps
spice veldt
i can't read so it doesn't matter anyways
oh they changed it? I didn't even notice
and I look at it every time I open my inventory
smh
spice veldt
so players have a reason to write essays to new players explaining a simple mechanic that is mixed by the game's descriptions :)
still hearth
Surge blessing
ionic frost
Rending only applies to your own attacks but brittleness lets allies benefit from it?
leaden thunder
yaeh
still hearth
Which isn't on the Surge staff
leaden thunder
if it was rending it's be useless for the truama
since it already doesn't care about armor
spice veldt
the confusion lies in the fact that the game uses two versions of the word "rending" that mean either rending (self-buff) or brittleness (enemy debuff)
whenever you see "+rending" with the plus sign, that's applying brittleness (enemy debuff)
leaden thunder
I don't think thats true
spice veldt
whenever you see "rending%" with the percentage sign, that's applying rending (self-buff)
leaden thunder
it was only on rending shockwave that it did htat
spice veldt
at least according to a reddit post I read
leaden thunder
yeah the post was using rending shockwave as an example
afaik
all other sources of rending work properly
spice veldt
leaden thunder
I am 90% sure that I shoot enemies with my can opner ripper(which is bugged rn to just apply on shots)
and allies don't benefit
spice veldt
hmm
leaden thunder
same with my boltgun
spice veldt
maybe with the healthbar mod turn on for crushers
see if allies damage crushers particularly more with guns
i do want to hope that they have consistent terminology for this sort of thing
leaden thunder
rending should go away if i swap weapons right
near wyvern
You would want a private lobby for that
spice veldt
rending stays with you
if i recall correctly
no wait I'm not actually sure about that
leaden thunder
lemee test with my boltgun
near wyvern
That's the thing, fatshark games mean something that should work in a way may not work like that xD
leaden thunder
boltgun rending doesn't stay with you if you swap
spice veldt
noooo
leaden thunder
I will test with my ogryn as well
but as far as I can tell that reddit post is either just incorrect
fair kayak
Ive got Brittleness on my Antax V
leaden thunder
or outdated
fair kayak
and others benefit from it
leaden thunder
yeah brittleness does that
same deal for the ripper gun with can opener
doesn't stay
so I think that post is incorrect
spice veldt
yeah; rending% doesn't transfer between weapons
spice veldt
so i guess it was only trauma staff's rending shockwave that was wrong
spice veldt
so the mistake wasn't even consistent
leaden thunder
it was probably who ever wrote the description
since it's called "rending shockwave"
you'd think it'd do rending
fading galleon
any psykers called helmia or morana in here?
kindred anchor
rending should go away if i swap weapons right
no it works if you swap
leaden thunder
the ones I tested didn't
kindred anchor
i wait i thought i was in veteran chat
vast rover
I realize this patch is still fresh, but is there an up-to-date guide covering melee weapons for psykers? Haven't played in a few months and I'm having trouble parsing all the changes. I did catch that infinite block is no longer a thing. 🤔
spice veldt
kinetic deflection changes
- blocking with peril resets the passive regen timer now
- you no longer get guardbroken at 0% stamina when blocking, so long as you have the peril to block the attack
I consider it to be an indirect nerf to Deflector (Force Sword blessing for blocking ranged) but a buff otherwise to melee for Psykers for kinetic deflection because it means that pushing is basically penalty-free now
vast rover
Thanks Arcotash! So I assume then, with the passive quell on other melee weapons also nerfed (I think?)...are people using force swords again? Or still something like dueling sword for mobility?
spice veldt
people's opinions on the change are pretty mixed
some say that it didn't really affect them besides having to actively quell more
some say that the change was quite radical and whatnot
I've always run the Force Sword, so the change didn't affect me and I have no particular opinion on it, though I think the change was warranted
either way, I personally don't think the viability of non-force weapons was really affected by the passive regen change
vast rover
Good to know. Thanks, that's very helpful info. 👍
leaden thunder
they are worse but still usable
the main thing that got hurt by it was using it with quitude
spice veldt
you'd still want to use non-force weapons for their unique characteristics; knife for its push-attack and high mobility; duelling swords for their innate block efficiency (MK5), mobility, a bit more horizontal/diagonal attack chains than the knife (not sure about this one cuz I don't use duelling swords); axes for their high DPS and stagger;, etc
vast rover
Okay, thank you both. This definitely helps me at least know what weapons to keep an eye out for good rolls on to test them.
ionic frost
Spamming slide is fun with a high mobility weapon on psycker...infinite slide sprint!
twilit flicker
Duelling sword vs knife feels rather strange, I think the attacks are about the same in narrowness (how far they can be from the crosshair). Only the Duelling sword has longer range so it feels like you have to be more accurate. Anyone else have thoughts on this?
ionic frost
Dueling sword kills muties faster
But knife lets you move faster with heavy-attack-into-slide spam
spice veldt
from what i can tell, all duellings swords and the combat knife's light attacks cleave into two poxwalkers at most
except the 3rd light of the combat knife which is a stab
vast rover
Btw, which axe do people use? Just realized there are 6 of them. Or are they all more or less comparable?
still hearth
Antax is kind of just the best overall. Rashad would be the best if it didn't have priority issues.
leaden thunder
yep
still hearth
Achlys is decent but more awkward to use.
vast rover
Cool, thanks everyone! Much appreciated. 😁
spice veldt
wtf; brutal momentum doesn't refresh itself if you get a weakspot kill while it's active
wet jacinth
karmic copper
So im searching through the logs here. Is there some comment or place that ranks blessings and perks for each staff?
echo turtle
Dueling sword kills muties faster
Knife blessings makes it kill muties even faster than the duelies
karmic copper
I know quell on weak for void, warp nexus for surge...... i know flak is my biggest PITA... but not sure conclusively
inland sand
I never relied on Passive quell personally, but I will say that change felt totally unnecessary
still hearth
Knife push attacks makes it kill muties faster than duelies
inland sand
just punishes people for wanting to try non force weapon builds
spice veldt
knife's push attack also cleaves through 4 poxwalkers, which is pretty good; better than both its normal lights and heavies
still hearth
For some reason, yeah
echo turtle
I wouldn’t say it punishes people, before you were just heaviky incentivised to do so
still hearth
Idk why it does that when its an overhead attack
spice veldt
and when its other attacks either cleave 2 or 1 poxwalkers
echo turtle
FS should passive quell like the old non force weapons
spice veldt
push attacks come out faster than normal heavies, deals the same damage, and has more cleave than its lights
still hearth
They do
echo turtle
its our classes like, most notable weapon.
Why must it be a chainside downgrade
spice veldt
i guess you trade it for stamina
still hearth
Well they do come out faster with stamina
For sure
But only Psyker gets to keep that speed
Due to stamina recovery speed
spice veldt
true
still hearth
I've considered running all stamina on Zealot
To spam push attacks
But idk, it feels like I've gotten way less push power or something
Because I get snagged while push attacking constantly now
Which didn't seem to happen before
karmic copper
Warp flurry any good for surge? I always feel like run and spam charge has more value than ever charging. Would this be detrimental to cost vs spam before peril cap? Also both perks non prefered?
1900 at melk
karmic copper
Can always buy for future though, i cant count how much ive smashed not realinh it may be good if careers share
This is current
smoky fractal
that is good for now but when it gets fixed id def go flurry and nexus
for surge
and charging is a matter of spatial awareness
spice veldt
if warp flurry gets fixed, it seems that flurry indirectly decreases the peril generated by the charge attack
since peril is generated per second it seems
the charge rate stat on your staffs do affect the peril generation per second though
karmic copper
Is there any info on how long the stacking buffs last for "stacks 5 times" shit? No buffs on the UI for any of that dtuff
smoky fractal
for flurry if you break your chain it resets
spice veldt
yeah, the stack upkeep condition is the "chained" part; you lose them otherwise
smoky fractal
but there are buffs that dont have a time shown which is frustrating
karmic copper
So if im chaining chargeds eith surge for flurry cooldown, when i hit peril cap, queling OR ulting to continue will both break the chain.
wet jacinth
spice veldt
ulting doesn't seem to break the chain
assuming that you continue holding RMB
i'm testing this on a trauma staff by the way
entering the explosion animation will reset the chain though
lilac tapir
can I save this knife somehow or perks roll disqualifies it?
still hearth
Flak damage is ok but Finesse roll is a bit meh.
Precognition is a bad blessing though
spice veldt
precog is a blessing intended to torture you
twilit flicker
it makes me wonder about a crit build knife
still hearth
Precog doesn't even give 8% damage on weakspot or crits
It's closer to 6%
Because
twilit flicker
pair it up with something like shred or riposte and a crit chance perk
lilac tapir
Precognition is a bad blessing though
yea, assuming 2nd blessing is OK and I can reroll precog, but I also thought Finesse was a bit low. Does knife have dump stat or not really?
leaden thunder
riposted good
still hearth
You kind of have to dodge attacks on Knife but 2s now is way short
Idk why they made it shorter duration
The buffs are still pretty shit
smoky fractal
so how am i supposed to build a force sword? when m i supposed to use it? i feel like whatever i do it doesnt work and just fall back on my bm antax
leaden thunder
I have it on my zealot
lilac tapir
Mobility
it still needs to be at least 50%, or can be lower and it doesn't really matter?
leaden thunder
so I mainly use it to start up the bleed
spice veldt
force sword requires slaughterer to stand out
still hearth
Knife has between 4 or 5 dodges I think
And its minimum speed is greater than what other weapons have max
spice veldt
and even then, getting slaughterer stacks can be difficult because they only last 2 seconds
still hearth
You can have like 0% Mobility on Knife and still be better than other weapons
spice veldt
I personally run Bloodthirsty (guaranteed crits on all attacks for 5 seconds after special attack kill) alongside Slaughterer
smoky fractal
I personally run Bloodthirsty (guaranteed crits on all attacks for 5 seconds aft...
ill keep a look out my current roll is executor and slaughterer
spice veldt
bloodthirsty is also a t4-only blessing and is insanely rare
smoky fractal
T_T
spice veldt
i dumped all of my mats into force swords to get one
smoky fractal
is there a set up with KD?
spice veldt
with force sword?
smoky fractal
ya
spice veldt
KD's only real use would be for ranged tanking with deflector
but even then, dodge-sliding with Deflector should be good enough to avoid any ranged damage
smoky fractal
and then i guess slaughterer again?
spice veldt
force sword's push attack is a single-target stagger
pretty much
kinetic deflection doesn't change anything for the force sword
so same old
smoky fractal
damn and here i was thinking i was pushing horde frontlines back
spice veldt
the push-attack can deal damage if you have rending or the target has brittleness, and you can deal up to... 5 damage
still hearth
But yeah the push attack is like a falcon punch without the damage
spice veldt
the pushes themselves only cost one stamina
which is pretty good all things considered
if you don't run kinetic deflection, you should probably bring a stamina curio though
I run a +3 stam since I use kinetic shield instead
smoky fractal
getting my pskyer geared feels like more of slog than my zealot T_T
still hearth
Even forcing myself to play at high peril it just didn't feel impactful
spice veldt
what only 5 force weapons does to a mf
yeah; though I really only run kinetic shield because I'm going to bring a +stam curio anyways for more pushes
so kinetic deflection becomes a bit redundant in my case
so i might as well pick kinetic shield which is like taking a +toughness curio
smoky fractal
i want to use stam but all have a greens and blue with wack perks T_T
karmic copper
Just got rank 2 slaughterer on random FS. Have bloodthirsty and deflector3 currently. Excited to swap
spice veldt
ooh
i wonder if bloodthirsty + a single t2 slaughterer stack is enough to one-shot dreg bruisers with a heavy headshot
for me, bloodthirsty + t3 slaughterer allows me to one-shot dreg and scab bruisers with a normal heavy headshot
meaning that I can quickly rack up slaughterer on enemies that aren't groaners or poxwalkers
bloodthirsty also allows me to one-shot maulers with a light-special bodyshot without slaughterer stacks, assuming I have warp charges and psyk's wrath
this means that you can sort of forgo getting +flak on force sword since you hit the breakpoints for dreg bruisers and will quickly rack up the slaughterer stacks needed to one-shot them with non-crit heavy headshots, and you only need one special kill to immediately one-shot maulers with light-special bodyshots
olive ember
so kinetic deflection becomes a bit redundant in my case
I would still take deflection because it means you can block at zero stamina without stagger
Kinetics shield is like one extra shot worth of toughness
spice veldt
though it's still toughness damage reduction rather than a flat increase to toughness, so it's also an effective increase to toughness regen
+11% to 49% effective toughness and regen
small nevertheless, but I think it's worth it
fierce sinew
with psyker regen delay and the fact that you can perform stamina actions you can't afford as long as you have any not using kd is just mind boggling to me
spice veldt
i don't use weapons with good push-attacks
i also think that low stamina pushes suck doodoo
fierce sinew
it's not just push attacks, everything
spice veldt
i run sprint eff and stam regen on all curios to make it better
i used to run block eff but realized that blocking is a skill issue
fierce sinew
you get more mileage slide sprinting, more pushes per unit of stamina, push attacks if those matter sure
if kinetic shield is like a toughness curio kd is like an infinite stamina curio
spice veldt
yeah, but you can already get out of guardbreaks by weapon switching or having good stamina management
fierce sinew
you just do everything at 1 stamina
guardbreaking is a skill issue, the mobility and apm you're allowed with kd is too good not to have
spice veldt
i tend to dive deep into hordes where KD would help, but that's more or less just me being an idiot
fierce sinew
like people play with all kinds of things to gimp themselves for a challenge but it doesn't even seem fun to me
spice veldt
and I don't like having my passive regen stopped randomly
especially when I'm block cancelling with the force sword
i don't really think I'm gimping myself
the only case where KD helps is when you block
dense panther
haven't played psyker in a while. what's a good talent set up for purgatus force sword combo?
spice veldt
uncanny strike on force sword so that soulblaze deals good damage to crushers
i also run the force sword which has no downtime in the safety it provides because of its infinite dodges
I don't need blocking to cover myself except from undodgeables
the case where kinetic deflection is especially game-defining is for the chasm terminus finale where enemies spawn from any direction in a large open space, and you can't be reasonably expected to pay attention to both the boss and enemies behind you; otherwise I just see it as a quality of life thing just as kinetic shield is
olive ember
haven't played psyker in a while. what's a good talent set up for purgatus force...
Lemme find my funny Reddit thread
echo turtle
like people play with all kinds of things to gimp themselves for a challenge but...
So, Generally KD hands down is the best. Shield imo has an argument if you skew all toughness and stack resists
echo turtle
I had two Hi-5s today where I was the last standing, both times I was stunned and clipped by a sniper
in this game I was last man and left the elevator before the bridge. The room a had 4 reapers, lots of gunners shooties muties bombers. Was a slog, eventually I JUST got clipped by a sniper who got an angle on me after a bomber stunned me from being in range
look at how few blocks I made all game
11 blocked attacks
All game, 11 times KD may have come into play
Is kd amazing. Fuck yes. Can you build for an alternative to be viable in clutch situations. I think so, but the caveat here is you need to lean into it hard
Just taking it and not building for that though, I agree is a terrible choice. 90% of players are better served with KD
fierce sinew
I think if you compare that to the amount of times your toughness would have been broken by a shot but wasn't because of your KS you'd see an even smaller number tbh
spice veldt
here's a hi-intensity hab dreyko game where I only block 3 attacks
hab dreyko is a short and easy map
echo turtle
huh?
spice veldt
but it sees more melee
echo turtle
I ran KD that game
fierce sinew
as an aside taking pictures of a monitor with your phone is psychopath shit, does your social worker know you're doing this
echo turtle
Had I run shield, I would not have died lol
My set up does not allow for screenshots
fierce sinew
are you literally playing from prison
echo turtle
church
fierce sinew
have you killed before and yearn to do it again
echo turtle
the church of gains
fierce sinew
at least tell me there are no children around
spice veldt
whew
fierce sinew
cardio
gains
echo turtle
I play in my home gym while running
echo turtle
You can be noth
fierce sinew
this is actually pretty good bait
olive ember
I just sit at my chair next to my pc all day
echo turtle
I try not to bait people into my basement
olive ember
Couch potato
echo turtle
its a bad look
fierce sinew
smith machine, cardio doing psychopaths in psyker chat
fierce sinew
ask me how I know you can't squat 200kg
echo turtle
I barely squat 100kg
fierce sinew
people like you are lucky to be allowed in public, let alone vote or use a computer
echo turtle
I climb 260 feet on a ladder every day with 40 lbs of gear so
I’m not worried about my leg strength
rich rose
I started using a Rashad earlier today ...HOLY ****
spice veldt
I started using a Rashad earlier today ...HOLY ****
is that a good "HOLY **" or a bad one
echo turtle
anyways Kinetic shield
echo turtle
If you lean full toughness and stack regen. I think it can be good
fierce sinew
if antax removed from game
spice veldt
i don't find myself blocking much if I play properly
leaden thunder
rashad would be better then the antax if it could hit head
spice veldt
and I want to get myself into good habits
leaden thunder
like actually
echo turtle
oh yeah, IMO it works only with essence harvest.
fierce sinew
I don't find myself being shot much if I play properly
echo turtle
not enough regen any other way
sometimes you gotta exchange with a room of shooters
perfect play means ur never shot and you never get hot
spice veldt
i usually use quietude to buff myself back up in cover
echo turtle
lets assume play isnMt gonna be perfect
spice veldt
and quietude works even if I don't use BB
fierce sinew
getting shot a little ks makes no difference, you have to be getting shot more than that
spice veldt
only downside is that you can't do anything while blocking
I really like to run into shooters
leaden thunder
funny that the shield also applies to melee
echo turtle
u sure?
leaden thunder
becasue ranged toughness damage reduction doesn't exist
echo turtle
Well, that would be cool if it did
leaden thunder
fairly sure
spice veldt
i took 16 toughness damage from a rager once
echo turtle
I mean, the game knows the difference
leaden thunder
applies to melee
spice veldt
and their combo does 24 dmg
echo turtle
yeah, if it helps with melee that would be sweet
leaden thunder
I am fairly sure it does
echo turtle
I only am considering using it with toughness regen skew builds
fierce sinew
it does
leaden thunder
but toughness also takes more damage from melee
spice veldt
i still think it would be decent even if it only applied to ranged
echo turtle
Deflection is infinite stam, on the class best suited to use it
fierce sinew
it's still a big whatever
echo turtle
i got 450 kills with a surge staff and axe one game
rich rose
rashad would be better then the antax if it could hit head
Hmmm built a Antax, will try it out.. It rolled with iV Decimator so thats good lol
echo turtle
it's still a big whatever
eh, try out my build you might like it
leaden thunder
you just need BM on the antax
spice veldt
I have the APM to get out of guardbreaks with weapon switching; I just need to get the muscle memory for it
and my force sword means that I have no downtime on my safety for the most part
no 0.85s of danger
rich rose
I only use melee with I need to in a pinch so I like axes lol should have tried it sooner
spice veldt
stamina also regenerates faster than peril
echo turtle
it's still a big whatever
FWIW i though shield was stupid as fuck until my buddy said infinite stam was a crutch. Then i noticed I blocked a total of 18 attacks when I was in melee like all game
So i decided to challenge myself and I found generally I don’t actually get hit in melee.
I’m going to give shield a proper go, but I will absolutely agree that almost everyone should be using KD until they are freak beasts in melee and don’t even need it
spice veldt
following a basic attack -> push combo should be good enough to make you safe in melee
the only danger is from dreg/scab ragers who have running attacks and can come at you from within a horde of enemies before you can react and outside of your push range
olive ember
I mean the problem is that with deflector you can spam push attacks on non FS weapons like antax
And on FS you can bring deflector so why use shield?
spice veldt
though the combat axe push attacks are very milquetoast
spice veldt
because even with BM, they only damage 3 enemies and deal 0 to the rest
echo turtle
dodge + shield is like up to an 83% DR. assuming you even get hit
echo turtle
thats not how that works
spice veldt
but toughness regenerates
olive ember
It does so without shield
olive ember
Idk how much regen you need tbh tho because I find my toughness only goes down if I get swarmed
spice veldt
and shield is a toughness damage reduction, meaning that it increases effective toughness and regeneration
i really don't like being in cover against ranged
if I can help it, I'm going to eat their shots with my toughness and health
olive ember
That’s prob why
spice veldt
if it's only stalkers, I'm definitely going to do that
olive ember
I’m perfectly fine being in cover in range
echo turtle
I got from@behind cover to out of cover and dodge back
spice veldt
and there are situations where you can not be in cover all the time, such as the chasm terminus finale
echo turtle
poke out, lock BB target dodge back
olive ember
Oh yeah but shield won’t help you with that
echo turtle
thats how you skirmish as psyker
spice veldt
it helps a little
echo turtle
it does
spice veldt
it's better than kinetic deflection doing nothing
olive ember
Not enough to worth taking over deflection
echo turtle
When there is tons of incoming shots
spice veldt
i have the trauma staff for that
echo turtle
this was a hi-5 I was like, inches away from clutching after solo’ing a lrge room@of reapers and shooters
look how many attacks I blocked all game
11
So, deflection was trigger 11 times. none of those probably would have even been gurd breaks
spice veldt
in a hab dreyko hi-intensity game, which is an easy map tbf, I only blocked 3 times
tawny swallow
oh they added the score screen back?
olive ember
Mod
echo turtle
No its a mod
tawny swallow
figures
spice veldt
in a smelter complex game with 3 zealots where I ran in with them, I only blocked 5 times
echo turtle
I fight in melee a LOT
that game I ran a dagger
so, really, is KD worth not getting gaurd broken once or twice?
It is worth considering.
I will caveat I think shield is ONLY worth taking under a few conditions.
You are very good at melee and can dodge dance and push to manage the fights.
You run high regen utilizing essence harvest and lots of + toughness curios
olive ember
Imo the only time I would need shield is when I need deflector
echo turtle
if you are regening inly with quietitude, naw it’s never worth it over KD
olive ember
And deflector is just more general use
smoky fractal
it might be the zealot in me but i just run antax with bm
spice veldt
can't do anything while blocking
echo turtle
I wouldn’t take deflector if I was running a FS
smoky fractal
force sword is just so round about to be effective
spice veldt
and deflection stops your passive peril regen
olive ember
Could be how I play + build which is FS + surge
echo turtle
I would run slaughterer + the ridic autocrit for 5 seconds one
leaden thunder
bloodthirsty
leaden thunder
I want a 100% crit chance chain axe
echo turtle
shhhh
olive ember
Meh the only time I find my toughness breaking is two situations A) I get swarmed cuz team can’t cover for shit so I instant break toughness
olive ember
Or B) I get a skill issue and get tossed into the open by a mutant or bomber nades or wte
spice veldt
it's not just for toughness breaking but for potshots
olive ember
In which case if I can’t get back in cover I’d rather deflector FS
echo turtle
Meh the only time I find my toughness breaking is two situations A) I get swarme...
I play forward, and agressive, I find toughness regen very handy
spice veldt
one less melee kill to regen to max before the next melee hit
olive ember
I def play backline so yeah
echo turtle
Yeah, So thats gonna change the maths
KD is fucking rock solid is should be the default pick
smoky fractal
I want a 100% crit chance chain axe
bloodletter + zealot... still kinda meh
echo turtle
Tht being said, the FS is a bit of a wet noodle, and taking two offensive blessings really helps it out
olive ember
Def does but for me I find slaughterer does enough for me
spice veldt
bloodthirsty helps it one-shot maulers with a light-special bodyshot with a single special kill
if you have enough warp charges and psykinetic's wrath, you don't even need slaughterer stacks to do so
olive ember
If it’s a horde then plenty of Garbo to build stacks and if it’s one or two then idrc if I have to hit it 2 more times than normal
Against mauler spam I actually surge them
And by the time I judge that my team is incompetent I’ll have done enough damage to em that FS special without anything will kill em
spice veldt
i prefer killing them with FS because the kill is usually guaranteed
meaning i regen my ult with aura
and I like having the final blow
olive ember
I mean I find that if it’s lone maulers typically the team will just wipe em out
So the only time it matters is in a horde where it’s a bit harder to reach em
spice veldt
still great for chaining kills between multiple maulers
olive ember
The surge staff does surprisingly good damage against maulers btw
spice veldt
yeah; flak
echo turtle
It’s decent
spice veldt
i still dislike the surge because it's not a panic weapon by any means
echo turtle
get that +25% va flak
spice veldt
how am i to get myself out of the perilous situations that I put myself in