no, the damage you do per target you cleave through is a separate chart
#psyker-class
north cradle
I actually thought it was supposed to deal more damage because it can say something like 105% damage on multiple targets
None of these tooltips make sense
long wharf
welcome to FartShart
gilded viper
Stats being incomprehensible, the Chubby Dogfish special.
gilded viper
105% also probably means a 5% increase to damage unless it says an additional 105%, which means you do 205% damage on that attack
north cradle
It's an extra 5%
gilded viper
lame af
north cradle
I'd know if I was dealing double damage on cleave
still hearth
Cleave is
An enjoyable and interesting mechanic
That only took looking into the code by other people and explaining it to me repeatedly
For me to get a decent grasp of it.
gilded viper
All I know is never use Crowbill on Sienna
still hearth
I don't think Brutal Momentum does anything helpful for Power Sword, assuming that's what you meant.
idle bay
That's my extension of cleave knowledge
See picture about. I can and even T4
still hearth
See picture about. I can and even T4
That's a Power Sword.
idle bay
I mean Power sword ofc
still hearth
Anyway
I think the Special is limited to X targets
Idk if it has anything to do with mass.
gilded viper
15
still hearth
Haven't looked into it.
gilded viper
It was infinite, nerfed to 15
idle bay
And then thereis T4 Sunder blessing that tell that you have Increased Cleave
long wharf
I thought it was capped to 12
clear heath
Idk if it has anything to do with mass.
idk i felt like it went through less targets when there was a crusher there but maybe i'm imagining it
dusky bear
hadron please. I will literally replace my taint with a hydrolic press custom made to fit into your toaster slot. Just give me a blazing soul on my void strike staff already
idle bay
hadron please. I will literally replace my taint with a hydrolic press custom ma...
It's way simpler - WD-40 in original 20th-21th century package will do the trick
dusky bear
is it only an orange tier blessing?
because ive upgraded to blue at least 30 void strike staffs at this point and have not even seen a single tier 1 blazing spirit
supple skiff
so functional warp flurry ona void with quell is bonkers
clear heath
does blazing spirit even have a tier 1 and 2?
idle bay
is it only an orange tier blessing?
And don't overdo it with WD-40 or will end up like this
gilded viper
does blazing spirit even have a tier 1 and 2?
3 and 4 exclusive
clear heath
thought so
gilded viper
Shame I can't share it with my staves after ripping it off my force sword
dusky bear
3 and 4 exclusive
can it show up on blues?
gilded viper
Yah
idle bay
can it show up on blues?
I had t4 blessing to show on on Green blessed into the Blue
gilded viper
Never seen tier 4 blazing tho
dusky bear
ive never seen t4 anything.. rng hates me
dusky bear
thats my goal
summer prairie
There's no T4 blazing except for FS, iirc
dusky bear
a psychic incendiary grenade launcher is what i want to play
sleek yacht
finally got rid of run n gun
god that blessing is ass
dont know why it isnt just a default function of staves
gilded viper
dont know why it isnt just a default function of staves
How I feel about Deflector on Force Sword TBH
sleek yacht
How I feel about Deflector on Force Sword TBH
right?
dusky bear
unfortunately, i must live with it
long wharf
you know what would be a major improvement? all of the staves being Mk variations to share all of their blessings
sleek yacht
that would be so true
leaden thunder
or at least most of them
long wharf
I want Blazing Spirit on surge and purge
dusky bear
honestly just the ability to work towards a certain blessing
after X number of upgrades you can choose what blessing your next upgrade gets
gilded viper
I want Blazing Spirit on surge and purge
Isn't that a little redundant
summer prairie
At least there are so few blessings is doesn't take long to get them all. Surge has only three T4 blessings
long wharf
not at all
gilded viper
At least on Purge
leaden thunder
it's fun
long wharf
purge being able to hit max stacks faster would be great
leaden thunder
it's be very good on purge
sleek yacht
blazing spirit would be redundant on purge, better if you have warp nexus
leaden thunder
3 stacks of soulblzae when you crit
sleek yacht
I think stacks would ramp higher through that
long wharf
and with surge's higher base crit, it'd be a nice change for how to use surge
sleek yacht
unless u could have both
clear heath
Surge is a crit weapon and doesn't have the blessing that activates on crit
leaden thunder
long wharf
yeah, so stupid
gilded viper
Fire lightning could be cool
long wharf
I'd totally want a warp nexus + blazing spirit surge staff
gilded viper
I want a surge staff that stuns less but targets more
long wharf
surge needs addressing as it is
sleek yacht
instead we get blazing spirit on voidstrike which just eliminates chaff in one hit
long wharf
needs to do full damage to all it hits, period
gilded viper
Force Storm KoTOR 2 my beloved
sleek yacht
???
dusky bear
does it not?
long wharf
charge up should determine how many enemies you can hit
not just how much damage you do
yeah, surge has max two primary targets that take full damage
the rest take something like 10% damage
if not less
it's stupid beyond belief
dusky bear
long wharf
in the face of purge hitting everything, void being a rail gun, and trauma hitting everything in it's blast area
the idea that surge needs to be limited is just... asinine
sleek yacht
itd be neat if flak enemies would cause it to bounce more
cause yk
metal conductive
science
I think
gilded viper
Not all metal is conductive
leaden thunder
or it just did the same damage to all targets as it does to the flak enemies
long wharf
Not all metal is conductive
name one that isn't
sleek yacht
gameplay purposes
leaden thunder
isn't lead pretty non conductive of electricity
long wharf
not all metal is magnetic
gilded viper
name one that isn't
Bismuth, tungsten, lead, and titanium
long wharf
it has low conductivity
sleek yacht
aint no way heretics are using bismuth in their armor
long wharf
not no conductivity
dusky bear
those are all conductive
clear heath
everything is conductive
gilded viper
Nurgle cultists full of lead and aspetos
leaden thunder
either way
long wharf
titanium is at 3.1% IACS
clear heath
some things are just less conductive than others
leaden thunder
it could be magical space metsl
or some shit
just make it deal the same damage to all targets that it does to flak
gilded viper
Ceranium, the magical, heat resistant bomb resistant space marine space metal
leaden thunder
and it's golden
gilded viper
Ceramite!
gilded viper
sure
sleek yacht
I mean no way our survivors should be able to come back from missions without being mindwiped or executed
im sure metal armor isnt out the question
yk
dusky bear
honestly its probably steel/iron armor
gilded viper
surge needs some love
I think purge is the least in need of love, but the other 3 could certainly use some tuning
clear heath
the flak enemies already take more damage from surge anyways
pretty sure it is meant to be conductive
gilded viper
All are viable
long wharf
surge is only viable when you have a team that knows to take advantage of what the psyker is doing
gilded viper
so never
long wharf
surge is very strictly a support weapon
I love it, by god, but it needs love to be more than just support
sleek yacht
I love using it but man, it sucks when your team goes in without any horde clear and youre playing surge
sleek yacht
what do u mean none of the 3 zealots arent running a purg flame thrower 
gilded viper
Why can't I make my psyker even more ugly
gilded viper
what do u mean none of the 3 zealots arent running a purg flame thrower <a:booho...
If I run Trauma, nobody is using a flamer/purge, but when I swap to purge, suddenly we can't kill anything past 6 feet
small sinew
When enemies are affected by soulblaze do they take increased damage?
olive ember
Btw since warp flurry works now on surge staff
Is meta blessing on surge warp flurry + warp nexus
olive ember
When enemies are affected by soulblaze do they take increased damage?
Not that I know of? It’s just a dot applied similar to burn
long wharf
When enemies are affected by soulblaze do they take increased damage?
nope, just a dot
I wish the number of soulblaze stacks an enemy had the more damage it took from warp attacks
but that'd require FartShart to want to see psykers be more effective
long wharf
I mean
we enjoy playing psyker, but I wouldn't go so far as calling it "really good"
Vets are "really good"
frail berry
Voidstrike stat priority? Blast radius lowest?
long wharf
yes
leaden thunder
iirc ye
long wharf
quell speed second lowest if you have Transfer Peril blessing on the staff
long wharf
clearly not
craggy valve
Why blast radius lowest? Is it just hardly noticable or what
long wharf
FartShart has made it abundantly clear by now that Vets are the gold standard class
still hearth
Its basically just stagger
long wharf
so Vets are as intended
still hearth
I mean if we're all going to be buffed to Veteran levels
But since they nerfed Zealot
Idk
long wharf
boy did they hurt Zealots
craggy valve
Doesn't it also affect the hitbox of the void ball in transit?
long wharf
wasn't fun to play at all last night
still hearth
Doesn't it also affect the hitbox of the void ball in transit?
Not as far as I know
craggy valve
Oh
still hearth
Only charging seems to do that.
frank hazel
My zealot is still low level, is it that bad?
still hearth
Zealot is on par with Psyker, at least.
craggy valve
Huh. Okay, good to know.
long wharf
and the range of values for the blast radius is [2..4]
brittle crest
wait ithought blast radius was good on void before
frank hazel
Only level 30 I have is psyker atm
brittle crest
cause it made the ball bigger
long wharf
which is so low that it literally doesn't matter
brittle crest
o rofl
still hearth
Isn't the epicenter
Like 0.5 to 1.5
Though I've found I need to stand right next to enemies
And shoot at their feet
With max blast radius
If I want that AoE to hit them
inland sand
people really think Vets are better than Zealots?
long wharf
I mean, you maybe had an argument before this last patch
but FartShart shat on Zealots this last patch
inland sand
what did they do exactly?
leaden thunder
I mean condisdering the uptime of volley with the damage reduction you can get on vet
it still wasn't a contest
long wharf
they hard nerfed their Bloodletter 1.2 feat
inland sand
i have literally never used that feat lol
long wharf
drop from 75% to 50% toughness DR and changed the proc from on-bleed to on-crit
long wharf
oh yeah? that wasn't supposed to be changed?
well that's good to hear, at least
poor zealots
still hearth
However they got that into the game that's hilarious.
They probably tested it out locally
And it slipped into the update.
long wharf
at this point, I firmly believe that FartShart has absolutely zero devops or repo control for their codebase
probably a fileshare sitting on a server and people just copy and paste files directly into it with wild abandon
inland sand
yes I'm sure
dusky bear
I FINALLY FUCKING GOT IT
long wharf
it's hilariously incompetent how many unintended changes happen each patch
like, if I saw that happening on a project I was on, I'd be getting people fuckin fired
inland sand
you do much coding Pfoenix?
long wharf
"much"? professionally, and a lot
inland sand
what's your impressions on the coding for this game?
long wharf
sure, things happen now and then
still hearth
So simple
long wharf
what's your impressions on the coding for this game?
total amateur hour
still hearth
And yet it gets fucked up repeatedly.
It took them so long to fix Stamina curios
That was literally
Changing two sets of 1s
Into 2 and 3
vernal frost
it's hilariously incompetent how many unintended changes happen each patch
should've seen deep rock's issues, fatshark honestly pales in comparison
summer prairie
the problem was actually curio properties for some reason being defined in two different places
long wharf
their entire game code being written in Lua doesn't help anything
the core engine is C++
but absolutely everything gameplay related is Lua
yet another comically bad idea
frail berry
Do we have a listing of common builds for various staves (ex. void 2-2-1-1-1-3)?
dusky bear
Congrats.
you can only get it on non crit staves. and 4 words:
Psychic incendiary grenade launcher
long wharf
I just checked the pins to see if we had anything
nothing there, except this one truly awful gun psyker build post from MDG?
still hearth
you can only get it on non crit staves. and 4 words:
Psychic incendiary grenade...
More like Psychic lightly scorched explosion launcher.
long wharf
who the hell asked for that to get pinned? christ it's awful
crystal jolt
Do we have a listing of common builds for various staves (ex. void 2-2-1-1-1-3)?
I'm also kind of curious about this but I think a lot of it is kind of personal preference?
long wharf
the funny thing is that there definite feat choices that are 100% garbage and nobody takes
crystal jolt
oh yeah definitely
long wharf
the variability in feat selection means most people run the same feats for the same staves
still hearth
Most tiers there's 1 or 2 feats people run.
And the big differences are usually level 5, level 15, level 30.
crystal jolt
it might just be best to rule out which ones are trash, then pick which you prefer from the ones remaining
long wharf
quietitude is no longer the no-brainer it was before the patch
still hearth
What?
long wharf
now that passive quelling isn't fast at all
long wharf
nah fam, most people relied on fast passive quelling on non-force weapons and quietitude
I guarantee it
long wharf
maybe the time you asked there were certain people on that told you EH
dusky bear
a staff with high quell can 100 to 0 peril faster than your character can say the voice line that goes with it
summer prairie
I use quietitude but not due to passive quelling
long wharf
but if you were relying on fast passive quelling, Quietitude was the #1 answer
no longer, sadly
still hearth
I usually quelled with staff anyway
And even then Quietitude was far comfier for me.
whole oxide
EH for Purg, Quiet for everything else
still hearth
I still prefer Quiet on all staves.
long wharf
I'd take 1.2 for void
still hearth
And even more with Guns
crystal jolt
2-1 and 2-2 can be debated, but I think 2-2 is a lot better. I've never used 2-3
still hearth
I found that enemies never line up
long wharf
definitely 2-2
still hearth
When I need toughness
long wharf
you make them line up
crystal jolt
2-2 with 6 charges is great
still hearth
I wouldn't be in a bad situation
If I can just line up enemies to get toughness back there's not much of a stress scenario
whole oxide
you're only constantly killing with Void in an easy non-mixed horde situation, and the quell-on-weakspot blessing for void works great with Quiet too
long wharf
I wouldn't be in a bad situation
true, can't help you there
crystal jolt
i feel like 3-1 is mandatory
dusky bear
3-3 and 3-2 are good for squad support
long wharf
you're only constantly killing with Void in an easy non-mixed horde situation, a...
true, but at the same time, if you need the toughness and your peril is already low, you getting headshots isn't refilling your toughness
still hearth
3-2 is definitely the top choice. 3-3 helps against bosses the most.
long wharf
so you have to pick which situation you think you'll need the toughness more for
dusky bear
your whole team doing 25% extra damage to a damnation plague ogryn is very very nice
long wharf
as nice as the buff to 3.3 was, I still can't justify not taking 3.1
long wharf
communion?
still hearth
You just BB
6 times
Then BB once every 50 seconds
And now you give CDR on kills instead
crystal jolt
or you could just not and get them passively from kills
crystal jolt
you're implying you aren't doing anything else instead of BBing
still hearth
But that's a 4% chance to get your toughness
I'm definitely not so busy
I can't BB
Every 50s
dusky bear
25*
still hearth
Yeah but I can be on 5 stacks
Since you're already relying on Communion
Which might not even proc
So you're also likely to be on 5 stacks unless you BB
whole oxide
kill 3 elites and cut CD on abilities down by 45% for everyone in coherancy is crazy powerful
long wharf
nope, communion is still the best way to gain warp charges when you stay in coherency with your team
and on a competent team, you aren't the one killing elites
none of the psyker staves put you in that role, sorry
still hearth
What kind of SWAT team do you play with
dusky bear
you forgot bb exists
long wharf
I most certainly did not
dusky bear
seems you did
long wharf
nope
whole oxide
Trauma, Purg, FS, all great for elites
dusky bear
cause BB is pretty good at killing elites especially when you run 5-3
dusky bear
fantastic
crystal jolt
this is what I was saying originally
long wharf
you can't control on which enemy laceration procs on
crystal jolt
everyone has completely different opinions on what is and isn't the "best" perks
dusky bear
you just switched to a whole nother topic in the middle of this one
crystal jolt
its why there's no consensus on which to pick
whole oxide
even though some takes are obviously wrong 😛
still hearth
The only consensus is that a few things are just worse options.
crystal jolt
yep
still hearth
I'm surprised people run communion but to each their own.
crystal jolt
I'm surprised people don't
still hearth
15% CDR, 25% damage boost for team to bosses.
Much more impactful than "ah I don't have to BB to keep my stacks up occasionally" imo.
whole oxide
it's just not necessary, very easy to stay at or near full charges without breaking the flow of your gameplay, and the buffs from the other 2 feats are really good
still hearth
With Barrage and 15% CDR unless you got some insane sniper McShooter
There's no way you don't pop plenty of elites.
crystal jolt
I only find that psykers and debatably zealots care about ability cooldown
dusky bear
is 15% what you can get from curios?
marsh token
still hearth
Sure but only you care about 4% chance to get charges
So both are self buffs anyways
crystal jolt
vets will keep their ability uptime up until it recharges and orgyns will hold it until someone goes down or things get dire.
whole oxide
is 15% what you can get from curios?
15% is what you get from feat 3.2 on elite kill
still hearth
You can get 12% from curios.
dusky bear
oh right
still hearth
Ogryn gotta start using charge for the melee buff
dusky bear
duh
still hearth
I do it all the time
crystal jolt
even then, zealots either have their own cooldown with crit or 2 ability uses.
crystal jolt
do you run 6-1 then?
dusky bear
honestly dont underestimate how impactful your ogryn having his charge up more often is. Ive had a few games where our ogryn saved the run just because he was able to charge to downed team mates more often
still hearth
On Psyker? Hell no.
long wharf
yeah, the CDR on elite kill isn't something that a good team really needs
whole oxide
being able to go into Kinetic Barrage, pop 4 elites and then instantly have it ready to go again, is pretty wild
long wharf
the other classes already have CDR covered for themselves
dusky bear
dude
still hearth
Neither do you need 4% chance to get charges 
but getting to pop Barrage more often is more valuable to me than not having to BB sometimes.
long wharf
and the psyker competing with a vet for elite kills just means the psyker isn't killing elites
dusky bear
people having ults more often is extremely impactful
crystal jolt
honestly dont underestimate how impactful your ogryn having his charge up more o...
charging to a downed teammate, killing 5 elites in coherency with a psyker, then charging to the next one. sure
still hearth
You can easily tell where the Veteran is shooting
And just look the other way
Killing enemies faster isn't a bad thing
spice veldt
aura is nice with the new hounds modifier
long wharf
because while the psyker is busy spending 6 seconds to pop one head, that's 6 seconds of the psyker not doing anything else
dusky bear
lol pfhoenix is nothing but bad takes going in circles
spice veldt
I don't think BB takes 6 seconds
long wharf
not killing the horde, not crowd control, nothing
fresh sky
this is my best force sword - any advice on what blessing to replace (and with what) and what perks to change to?
spice veldt
precog goes into the trash
long wharf
yep
still hearth
BB takes 3 seconds
spice veldt
Slaughterer is a must have for force Sword's if you want to use it for hordeclear
still hearth
Or 2 seconds to charge and 1 to pop.
whole oxide
you don't have to BB to proc 3.2 either, not sure why you say "not killing horde, not crowd control"
fresh sky
i don't have slaughterer yet as a blessing
dusky bear
charging to a downed teammate, killing 5 elites in coherency with a psyker, then...
the one i can remember was in the excize vault. our zealot was dead, our other psyker went down in a hoard. Ogryn charged in while i was popping gunners. then i went down to a hoard right after and he charged right back to me and got me up
fresh sky
i have executor, is that any good? or uncanny strike
i could also but exorcist on this:
long wharf
you don't have to BB to proc 3.2 either, not sure why you say "not killing horde...
if you suggest that a psyker should be running around with a gun to compete with everyone else for ammo, you just earned yourself a place on my "don't bother talking psyker with" list
fresh sky
whole oxide
lolwut who said anything about guns
long wharf
then how are you, a psyker, getting ranged kills on elites?
dusky bear
if you suggest that a psyker should be running around with a gun to compete with...
you keep disregarding parts of the game to try and reinforce your arguments. if anything no one would bother talking with you
fresh sky
is the purple worth upgrading to a orange
whole oxide
who said it's ranged only?
fresh sky
i don't play psyker that much
whole oxide
as I said, Purg, Trauma, FS, are all capable of killing elites in quick succession
dusky bear
and with that, im back off to the grind. this staff isnt going to make it self
crystal jolt
anyway, people have differing opinions on row 3, what about row 4 for feats?
dusky bear
as I said, Purg, Trauma, FS, are all capable of killing elites in quick successi...
trauma ignores carapice and flak armor. It shreds groups of maulers, ragers, and crushers
long wharf
kinetic deflection is the best feat in that column by far
whole oxide
they'd need to double the reduction on Kinetic Shield for it to be worth taking, and Mind in Motion is literally a wasted slot
long wharf
agreed
summer prairie
I'm testing warp flurry on surge and if anything it kind of looks like it's slower now because there's a weird pause between casts if you have flurry. I took some video comparisons and they seem to support it.
fresh sky
anyone know the best blessings for a purgatus staff?
fresh sky
how's focused channeling? or warp flurry?
long wharf
some like focused channeling, once warp flurry gets fixed that'll be a not bad choice
fresh sky
warp flurry doesn't work?
west fjord
Swap meele weak spot damage to block eff and superiority to deflector yeah?
long wharf
terrifying barrage is good as purge's innate suppression is spotty at best
whole oxide
i'd rather swap out Blazing Spirit
long wharf
or!
you keep that fsword exactly the way it is
until you get Bloodthirsty blessing on another
west fjord
one day then 😄
long wharf
and then swap Superiority for Bloodthirsty
west fjord
don't think i've seen bloodthirsty yet
whole oxide
just don't see at all the use-case for blazing spirit
whole oxide
how many enemies are there that you can crit that many times on to reach that high stacks, which don't die long before you reach high stacks
long wharf
you're looking at it backwards
bloodthirsty is 100% crit chance for 5 seconds after special kill
whole oxide
okay, so, you kill a special, and you crit the next target, applying 2 stacks of BS
whole oxide
most things die in 2-3 FS specials anyway
what difference does a few BS stacks make
wait, thats not right either
its on kill, not on special attack
on kill AND while using special attack
so it just guarantees opening with a crit on the next target, to apply 2 BS
which is negligible damage
safe crystal
My dude, it applies on every attack after that
whole oxide
really? all attacks for the rest of the mission?
lethal folio
For five seconds.
safe crystal
For the five seconds, its pretty clear about that
whole oxide
gameslantern doesn't have the 5s part in its description, it just says "100% crit chance on special attack kill"
okay, that makes a bit more sense
even so, it still means hitting a target 5 times to get up to 10 stacks which, ehhhh, I don't want to hit things 5 times and it still not be dead
summer prairie
warp flurry is so nice on void now, if only it worked properly on everything else
dusky bear
it works on purg staff
whole oxide
definitely feels like it works on Trauma, although I've not 100% check with recording
summer prairie
it does look like it works on trauma as well
and probably on purg
on surge it's seemingly speeding up the charge time, but you lose the benefit due to the pause
you can even chain left click into secondary on void, not that it's efficient
spice veldt
bloodthirsty + slaughterer is pretty nutty
viral solstice
just 4consecrated without looking a random void strike staff i bought from brunt
could be worse really
might just put the crit w/ peril on it and set ppl on fire with it for the memes
summer prairie
pretty clear
The videos are pretty well aligned and the no warp flurry one gets to full charge slightly before
viral solstice
i have this staff and ive never found using it to feel good
i just hate the surge staff tho
and yeah also super unclear how warp flurry was working on it lol
steel flame
i just picked up a las pistol for the first time in 400 hours
and dear god i be vibin with it
near wyvern
and yeah also super unclear how warp flurry was working on it lol
It's not. It works on void and trauma and seems to be bugged on surge and purge
steel flame
i knew it felt wierd
near wyvern
The pistol got some bug fixes and buffs, haven't tried if it is actually good
summer prairie
I also tested it on purg and seemed to work but I didn't time it or anything
steel flame
its surprisingly good at horde clear
near wyvern
Really? That's interesting
lethal folio
Not that good.
near wyvern
I know it has greater crit chance and does considerably more damage on head shots than body shots
steel flame
and with lacerations it can melt ogryns pretty quick
near wyvern
Is this at Damnation?
steel flame
yea
lethal folio
Buffs make it much better.
And now I can stick Infernus on it so it can more reliably kill maniacs.
near wyvern
How is the special, they changed it some. Is it actually useful now or still kinda weird?
On Las pistol
lethal folio
It knocks down dreg ragers, flamers and trappers.
near wyvern
But does not remove dogs?
steel flame
ive blocked dogs before actually
lethal folio
It will, through walls too.
steel flame
ive also knocked dogs out of jump with shots too
near wyvern
But like a mini version
steel flame
not sure if thats a bug or not
near wyvern
The dogs get staggered when damaged enough
steel flame
ah
near wyvern
Especially on head hits
sleek yacht
BiS atrox and blessings?
near wyvern
And las pistol does increased stuff on heads so probably found a dog head
near wyvern
BiS atrox and blessings?
Which mark is that
steel flame
also the pistol seems to trigger kinetic flayer......like a lot. especially considrering its fire rate
sleek yacht
any
steel flame
it might justr be me though. i need to test more
twilit comet
Anyone have a sense of what the best blessings are for a Trauma Staff? Haven't used it much yet, but curious what people find most effective. Warp Nexus + Surge (if you can even find surge)?
twilit comet
charge time
Warp Flurry? How is it bugged? Just bugged on Trauma?
steel flame
its not really working period at the moment
spice veldt
Flurry + rending is my personal preference
near wyvern
I would combine the power on hit with brutal momentum. Allows you to push every now and then while keeping the power buff up and keep cleaving.
steel flame
rending is really good on trauma
fresh sky
is warp flurry working on surge?
long wharf
no
steel flame
warp flurry is bugged on everything
summer prairie
Works on void and trauma
long wharf
it works on void lmb
twilit comet
Has anyone actually seen the "Surge" Blessing before?
long wharf
so still broken on void
near wyvern
warp flurry is bugged on everything
Incorrect, it works on trauma
summer prairie
Since patch it works on void
near wyvern
Source: I have one and definitely works
BUT
To really benefit from it you want inner tranq and 6 stacks
frail berry
Has anyone actually seen the "Surge" Blessing before?
I have it on trauma staff
steel flame
you know what the best part of the pistol is? i can actually use quietude with it since its special generates alot of peril
long wharf
you know what the best part of the pistol is? i can actually use quietude with i...
have you tried since the patch?
the fixed passive quell makes using quietitude functionally pointless for pistol usage
near wyvern
Yeah I am considering changing to essence harvest regardless of build since that seems to be just the most reliable way to top up
long wharf
I'd still use quietitude with surge, but that's it
pearl delta
for purgatus staff, i have 20% flak and infested enemy damage. which would i replace?
near wyvern
its the peril generation thats important
Peril generation gets you no toughness, it's the quelling
near wyvern
for purgatus staff, i have 20% flak and infested enemy damage. which would i rep...
Flak is good, infested is not needed. +crit chance is a solid option.
steel flame
if i can generate it with pistol during combat i dont have to rely in BB or fs special for my peril generation
long wharf
I'd consider crit chance perk choice #1 for purge
fresh sky
what's the best perks for surge?
near wyvern
Based on my testing with +5% crit chance you get 1-2 stacks more per full RMB. Given the exponential like scaling in the 0-10 stack ranges it is a solid damage boost vs everything.
near wyvern
what's the best perks for surge?
Someone said crits increase stagger so +crit chance is all that matters for it as the damage is abysmal anyways
If that is correct
fresh sky
thanks!
near wyvern
If it's not then it's a free world, doesn't matter what's on it
Surge just feels bad to use in damnation hi. "Hey guys, let me hold these 6 random dudes in place while you deal with the 200 rest, ok byeeee"
pearl delta
Flak is good, infested is not needed. +crit chance is a solid option.
Thanks. that makes sense. infested just being overkill?
near wyvern
Thanks. that makes sense. infested just being overkill?
Infested being only melee mobs, which get staggered in flames anyways so it doesn't really matter if it takes an extra second for them to dance in place
fierce sinew
a plurality of the enemies you care about are flak bodied
echo turtle
what's the best perks for surge?
Crits increase stagger, but both + vs fllak ad unarmored is good to have as what you are mainly tryig to kil flak bois and dreg shooters
viral solstice
its so weird to me that the surge staff is a crit archetype weapon
has a big ol crit scaling
but the left click on it has the good crit multi not the zappy
so if u build it for loads of crit ur left click is roided
just weird because u would have thought the void strike staff would be more critty
gilded viper
New psyker buff ||(bug)|| dropped. Allies with soulfire weapons can give you warp charges. Me and the other psyker both had ascendant blaze. So I’m not sure on the specifics
obtuse moth
just weird because u would have thought the void strike staff would be more crit...
super critty void staff with surge blessing would be bonkers
viral solstice
well thats the funny thing right that it ends up being a crit weapon because of that one goofy ass blessing
gilded viper
Is it the one that shoots another bullet on crit?
viral solstice
but again unsure how good it is that that behaviour is locked up on rnging that blessing because its so cool
ya
fierce sinew
New psyker buff ||(bug)|| dropped. Allies with soulfire weapons can give you war...
shared AB procs been a thing this whole time
gilded viper
shared AB procs been a thing this whole time
Oh. Neat
viral solstice
when i was first looking at the lua i thought that blessing was an unused archetype
melk will never give me the double shooty
sage yacht
Finally found a Mk 5 axe with good base stats, what do I want to aim for with blessings?
viral solstice
dont people usually just roll bm + any random damage blessing
sage yacht
works for me if that's the case
viral solstice
i dont think theres any secret tech in the blessing choices for that weapon sadly
fierce sinew
limbsplitter if you're trying to be optimal, probably headtaker if you're just trying to hit button till screaming stops
fresh sky
definitely bm and headtaker for me
feral verge
yeah it finally let me easily get the pick and mix penance
thorny crypt
wat is best psyker surge build guys?
feral verge
now i only have malleus monstronum and going out with a bang left
near wyvern
wat is best psyker surge build guys?
RMB + R
digital loom
get a staff with good warp and peril , and congrats you are a tazer
pearl delta
I got going out with a bang accidently yesterday. that's what taking a 4 week break does. you blow up accidently durinjg a finale...
feral verge
im jelly
timid storm
now i only have malleus monstronum and going out with a bang left
Those are so annoying to get
craggy valve
Speaking of that, you know what else they should buff? The perils explosion.
I feel like it should at least be a valid "I'll down myself to give the team breathing room so we don't ALL go down" option in dire straits
But as it is it's barely even a "oh, I screwed up and am going to get downed, I should at least take some enemies with me" option
digital loom
the zealot ones are the most annoying
olive ember
im kinda sad that the pox hound horde dogs don't die to the surge staff
fierce sinew
But as it is it's barely even a "oh, I screwed up and am going to get downed, I ...
"I screwed up, I should be rewarded and my bad behavior encouraged"
pls no
would be better if it did no damage to anything and the penance was changed to something else entirely
loud girder
how trash is my setup
fierce sinew
80%
feral verge
what's the critical peril threshold?
loud girder
what should i spec then until i can get a proper build running?
floral solstice
what should i spec then until i can get a proper build running?
what staff u running
feral verge
i have to get rid of run and gun
loud girder
@floral solsticesurge
feral verge
just waiting to get the right blessing
fierce sinew
121112 or 122113
olive ember
how trash is my setup
which staff are you running
loud girder
which staff are you running
surge
fierce sinew
122113 for surge
loud girder
1 is the highest one yeah?
floral solstice
<@333393794751922198>surge
i run 322133 on my surge any diff/modifier
fierce sinew
quietude is actually okay on surge too
floral solstice
just switch stuff to your liking
fierce sinew
they're pretty close now
it was for sure 3 before
about a wash for (for surge) now
craggy valve
"I screwed up, I should be rewarded and my bad behavior encouraged"
I'm not talking about the penance or about accidentally maxing perils, but getting out of position does happen and having a way to mitigate that mistake somewhat- not reward, just mitigate, you're still losing wounds to corruption - is a potentially interesting mechanic and more importantly the only actual possible useful application of having the perils explosion do damage at all.
olive ember
how trash is my setup
replace cerebral with aura, and replace mind in motion with peril blocking and you have my build
loud girder
why peril block?
feral verge
ya'll prefer kinetic deflection over kinetic shield?
olive ember
I mean the problem is you don't kill shit with 2 and 1 you are relying on the 15 seconds KF or swapping over to BB
fierce sinew
I'm not talking about the penance or about accidentally maxing perils, but getti...
I'm of the view that mistakes are to be punished, not mitigated
olive ember
so 3 is still generally the most consistent option that can be used with the staff out, or in my case with the FS out
olive ember
why peril block?
because mind in motion is a QoL that isn't really that needed tbh, you go from 100 to 30 peril in the span of 2 seconds with a good staff active quell, and you shouldn't really be quelling with anything else tbh cuz anything else is like 2x as slow
and kinetic shield is a meme
peril blocking makes psyker melee alot better
floral solstice
why peril block?
lets you rescue vs melee easy, lets you reposition easier if surrounded etc, especially because you use melee for hordes/horde events on surge.
craggy valve
I'm of the view that mistakes are to be punished, not mitigated
Ah, so you don't run any HP or toughness increasing curios, ally revive speed curios, or damage reduction curios too then I assume?
obtuse moth
i take peril block for the rescue capability
craggy valve
Getting hit is a mistake after all.
fierce sinew
correct other than HP
olive ember
I really don't
fierce sinew
tanking for damage :^)
craggy valve
correct other than HP
So you run a stat that is specifically there to mitigate your mistakes.
olive ember
I run two +hp and one wound
feral verge
tanking for damage :^)
psyker best tank
fierce sinew
So you run a stat that is specifically there to mitigate your mistakes.
to do more damage
olive ember
1 wound just in case I do something retarded I'm not stuck at half my damn hp bar, 2 +max hp puts me up to 216 hp, which helps alot in terms of tankiness
feral verge
I run two +hp and one wound
same. i have two 24%hp, and a wound
obtuse moth
So you run a stat that is specifically there to mitigate your mistakes.
i think they were talking about a mechanic to be fair
aka if you mess up a mechanic it should have a consequence
fierce sinew
and there's an important distinction to be made I think between equipment that players can choose and core game mechanics
olive ember
means I don't instantly keel over from scratch damage, I can take a few shooter shots, it also makes corruption from dogs, grims, etc. less of a factor and mutant poundings cuz those do hp damage
craggy valve
to do more damage
Uh-huh. I'll just leave you to keep practicing your mental gymnastics.
fierce sinew
stay bad ig
obtuse moth
chill, you guys disagree on psykers blowing up, end of story. don't drag it into everything else
craggy valve
I mean I think we both agree it's currently pointless. Good psykers don't blow up, damage is too bad to make it worth even attempting to make it a strat.
feral verge
i'm gonna make a max wound psyker suicide bomber build
craggy valve
I'd prefer if they made it actually have a point. If they won't, then yeah it's probably better removed.
olive ember
I mean sienna explosions did damage but no one actually made a build around that
I think its just a funny meme because funny explosions
craggy valve
Well yeah, objectively that is all it currently is.
cyan notch
cuz sienna didnt have a challenge to blow up and kill stuff with it
that stupid thing is what makes people think it does anything
its just meant as a fuck you punishment nothing more
craggy valve
I mean if they really wanted it to be a punishment it should have friendly AOE or do nothing to enemies. The fact that it damages enemies at all just makes it a confused jumble of design language and the penance compounds that.
cyan notch
why should it do friendly fire
nothing else does
also itd be weird if an explosion did no damage to enemies
so they made it pitiful damage
loud girder
lets you rescue vs melee easy, lets you reposition easier if surrounded etc, esp...
mkay
craggy valve
nothing else does
Barrels. And they didn't have to make it an explosion, could've just made your head pop or your guy claw at their eyes and fall to the ground or something.
cyan notch
Barrels. And they didn't have to make it an explosion, could've just made your h...
thats not techincally friendly fire
craggy valve
Literally only friendlies can set barrels off. Enemies can't.
loud girder
are staff hits count as attacks?
or is that projectiles?
or.. whatever-other-technichality
cyan notch
Literally only friendlies can set barrels off. Enemies can't.
ok whats ur point
floral solstice
it works on a bunch of staff attacks, but not all
craggy valve
They are by definition friendly fire
cyan notch
ok and
craggy valve
You said nothing else causes friendly fire.
cyan notch
uh huh then
floral solstice
are staff hits count as attacks?
cyan notch
what has that got to do with the explosion
loud girder
it seems fun but kinda trash compared to others
floral solstice
void is ayt
loud girder
i cant imagine a void being more useful than a surge
craggy valve
what has that got to do with the explosion
Your short term memory isn't my problem, dude.
loud girder
or even a trauma
cyan notch
Your short term memory isn't my problem, dude.
why does it arbitrarily do friendy fire to be able to be “enough” punishment
floral solstice
well void will be better vs surge if for example you're in an open-area firefight and shooters are too far to stun
cyan notch
i say thats stupid
make it delete your character
and currencies
thattll teach em!!
floral solstice
make it delete your character
delete breasts
cyan notch
craggy valve
Sure, that'd work too. All I was saying was that if they intended it as a punishment, they shouldn't have given it a benefit. I was using what we call in normal society "examples".
loud girder
well void will be better vs surge if for example you're in an open-area firefigh...
even then im not sure its better
lightning feels more reliable
forest coral
Void can solo clear a bridge provided there isn’t carapace or bulwark on it
craggy valve
If they're going to give it a benefit, that benefit should do something. If they don't want it to have a benefit, they should remove the benefit. Otherwise they're just confusing new players. Really not that hard to understand.
forest coral
Surge is very limited in how many things it can deal with at once
craggy valve
Not sure why you suddenly decided to get defensive and nasty because I corrected you about barrels of all things but ok.
forest coral
Also what are u two arguing about
cyan notch
because barrels are such a sidetrack
forest coral
floral solstice
breasts
cyan notch
that isnt even the main point
sterile vale
Just played with a level 30 purgatus psyker who never used the secondary fire
cyan notch
Sure, that'd work too. All I was saying was that if they intended it as a punish...
your example was what we call in normal society “shit” because just adding friendly fire still is a benefit as you now damage enemies and friendlies
spice veldt
well i guess they're at least staggering everything
craggy valve
that isnt even the main point
Yeah. That's why when you said nothing caused friendly fire, I kept it to a single one word correction, because it wasn't the point. You were the one who demanded a further explanation there.
forest coral
Hue
safe crystal
I barrel my allies on purpose
I started placing ammo crates near ledges next to barrels after someone mentioned it here
Happy little accidents
cyan notch
i didnt demand a further explanation ci didnt give a shit about your correction i was wondering wtf the point was
steel flame
what is the actual crit chance on the laspistol
craggy valve
No, you started arguing that barrels weren't friendly fire.
craggy valve
That was your digression, and you weren't even right.
cyan notch
i think its negative no
forest coral
Is there even point on discussing this, this is such a shallow topic lmao
Barrel go boom, potential shenanigans
craggy valve
There literally isn't
cyan notch
That was your digression, and you weren't even right.
ok my digression wasnt even right but your main example wasnt even right
steel flame
dah hell is this argument even about
cyan notch
mf said erm agchually blowing up is not enough of a punishment it should do 0 damage to enemies
safe crystal
dah hell is this argument even about
They're arguing whether or not the psyker suicide explosion should deal damage or not
steel flame
no
leaden thunder
not just a nurgle deamon
steel flame
pls im good
leaden thunder
craggy valve
ok my digression wasnt even right but your main example wasnt even right
Which you could have just said in the first place instead of attacking a random one word statement about barrels, then pretending to be confused, then getting defensive and acting childish.
steel flame
just because its in the lore dont make it fun in game XP
leaden thunder
I want to let a bloodthirster loose in atoma
cyan notch
of course it should do damage
well the guy is saying oh no!!!! if it does even 1 damage people will think its good!!! remove it!!!!!!!!
craggy valve
Which is objectively true. There are a lot of new players that think it's supposed to be useful.
craggy valve
If it didn't do damage, they wouldn't.
leaden thunder
it is useful, it's a movement tool
forest coral
I want to become a daemon host upon reaching max peril uwu
leaden thunder
use the barrels to get closer to the enemy
steel flame
are we talking about barrels or psyker overheat
forest coral
so I can show the group a good time
steel flame
IM SO CONFUSED
cyan notch
Which you could have just said in the first place instead of attacking a random ...
you started it by being snarky and mentioning short term memory isnt your problem so i have to say thats kinda on you buddy
safe crystal
Never expected to see people argue over a mechanic FatShark has used since VT1 to balance out infinite ammo weapons (not counting VT2 javelins etc), but here we are
steel flame
this feels like a nonissue
fierce sinew
what is the actual crit chance on the laspistol
15% unless it changed, modified by your class crit chance
leaden thunder
javs and bardins throwing axes are unlimited
craggy valve
you cant say objectively true
This isn't a matter of opinion. Look on the forums and Reddit. There are, objectively, people who are confused and think the ability is supposed to be used offensively.
safe crystal
javs and bardins throwing axes are unlimited
Yup,which is why i excluded them :>
steel flame
15% unless it changed, modified by your class crit chance
yeah thats what it felt like, god i cant wait till i get inferus for it
steel flame
I KNEW IT
cyan notch
This isn't a matter of opinion. Look on the forums and Reddit. There are, object...
yes and thats becasue of the penance like my first ever comment on the situation
steel flame
i was like this has to be 20% crit chance
cyan notch
not because it actually does damage
because the game asks you to
you dont see plasma vets trying to blow themselves up intentionally
fierce sinew
autopistol is the -2% one blood thinking of I think
cyan notch
why cuz the game didnt ask you to do that shit for achievements
steel flame
penances are stupid, move on
craggy valve
you dont see plasma vets trying to blow themselves up intentionally
That's a fair point.
cyan notch
autopistol is the -2% one blood thinking of I think
oh yea my bad i knew one of the pistols had negative for some reason
steel flame
burn stacks on crit hit with possibly 25% crit chance is gonna be so dope
fierce sinew
also going through the backlog of stockpiled weapons I have several tier 4 gun blessings
and 0 of any kind for any staff
fierce sinew
have purchased 0 (zero) guns from any vendor
that's the new loop yeah
every damnation run gets you enough plasteel and dockets to buy 2 grays and roll a blessing on each
(and then dismantle in disgust)
cyan notch
do u upgrade to blue or
fierce sinew
yeah
cyan notch
hmm ive been going to orange cuz i thought they still have that thing where purp -> orange has higher chance of good shit
fierce sinew
you get more blessings per resource that way, and nobody has shown yet that the purple->yellow roll is different odds
fierce sinew
hmm ive been going to orange cuz i thought they still have that thing where purp...
is this true?
not memeing, genuinely curious
cyan notch
cant say for sure but thats how it worked before this new update
cant remember if ive gotten t4 on blue but definitely t3
fierce sinew
I never noticed a trend of the second blessing being better than the first, but I also wasn't really looking either
I get t3 all the time going to blue
no t4 ever so far
fierce sinew
I just want warp nexus t4
10k plasteel so far in gray->blue purg rolls
nothing
well, everything under t4
sly matrix
So, what pairs better with Purgatus, force sword or combat axe?
cyan notch
personal preference tbh
fierce sinew
it was axe for free before, with the quelling nerf it's whatever now
lilac tapir
Should I replace Shred with Tier 4 BM on this one? I also have Tier 4 Headtaker.
Any perk advice?
fierce sinew
everybody has t4 limbsplitter but me
you replace maniac with flak there
combat axe maniac damage is cheeks with or without perk
lilac tapir
thanks
floral solstice
you guys heavy maniacs?
unless this is a limbsplitter thing
because i dont run limbsplitter
and i dont heavy maniacs
cyan notch
thats just the weird quirk with light/heavy
still hearth
It does insane Maniac damage on the light
fierce sinew
the fact that the heavy attack is bad enough that you use the light attack on maniac is the thing
cyan notch
i think its gonna feel way worse if they flipped light and heavy balues
floral solstice
muties melt to antax light lol
solar cloak
steel flame
welcome to the club
fierce sinew
the way it is now the maniac heavy just doesn't exist, if mutants are your melee weapon priority at this point you probably just FS
steel flame
also are there some ranged attacks that break deflector block? i kept having my deflector block broken with full stamina and only like 30% peril
fierce sinew
which is a reasonable enough thing to do now
steel flame
they just go through
cyan notch
they are pretty close enough for mutie kills
steel flame
that was a bug that you could block them at all
cyan notch
deflector is directional block so you have to look at the shooty guys
maybe u got tagged from the side/back
fierce sinew
what's a bug or intended is pretty irrelevant, but from what I remember the inconsistency was to do with kd
still hearth
In ideal conditions you can kill a mutant in less than 1s with an axe
But that's going into some macro wizardry
fierce sinew
that is, with kd sniper shot goes through deflector
fierce sinew
But that's going into some macro wizardry
at some point someone (I hope it isn't me) should look into what the actual engine limits are on ttk in this vein
still hearth
I did some lab wizardry and the axes are actually absolutely nutty if you can weapon swap reliably.
Like you get up to 50% more DPS, at least.
fierce sinew
once we have that we can play with tolerances to see what's feasible with fatshark's comical variable server tick rates and so on
leaden thunder
that the giga chop move?
still hearth
If you stand right next to the enemy and hit them the first frame possible
You can probably do some ridiculous damage numbers
By constantly swapping
rare furnace
Spam swap ? With 1,2 or mouse
still hearth
I use specific weapon swap when I do macros.
feral verge
can you get identical perks on a curio
long wharf
how upset would ogryn chat be if I showed them this and said I won't be getting it?
feral verge
as in, could you stack 3x toughness regen on one curio?
leaden thunder
no
lilac tapir
weren't they supposed to change the grim/scriptures missions to count both book types?
floral solstice
dafuq happened to the bot lol https://streamable.com/k7dxgy
is this how psyker bots would look like
cyan notch
smoky fractal
this is turning out to be quite the staff lol
floral solstice
well anything but flurry i guess
smoky fractal
whats wrong with flurry
smoky fractal
ah...
cyan notch
this is turning out to be quite the staff lol
was it an emp gift or upgrade
smoky fractal
upgrade
cyan notch
damn from grey?
feral verge
mine was an upgrade too
smoky fractal
yeah hopefully i pog out another t4
cyan notch
thats pretty nuts grats
feral verge
i've gotten tons of 370s+
fierce sinew
confirmation on t4 warp nexus on green->blue roll then
cyan notch
yea i was bout to tag u lol
fierce sinew
surely soon.jpg
cyan notch
feral verge
the onyl blessing i have available to put on my staff is warp flurry
shame it's borked atm
floral solstice
well at least you can do running lmb's with purg + run n gun lol
better than a blessing not currently working
feral verge
i was saving that blessing for my voidstrike
2nd fav staff type
used to be my 1st
till i fucked aorund with the purga
floral solstice
yeah warp charge not decaying all stacks at once made the AB build way more easy to manage now
forest coral
Ab builds are amazing now
Well provided someone in your party can actually assist with carapace busting
forest coral
its a different way to play
saving up F skill as much as possible till max stacks and then aim at horde
watch entire horde die
itll also significantly soften up targets as well with 6 warp stacks
best paired with purg ofc but Ive seen voidstrike/ trauma builds use it as well
feral verge
nice. might give it a shot
forest coral
yup yup
forest coral
just make mental note to quell with staff rather than F skill even under pressure if possible
ay thats good
forest coral
yeah the best part of ab is if there is a horde of shooters within yelling distance
AB with good number of stacks will clear them all out without you even having to enter the room
feral verge
does it have the same range as normal ultimate?
forest coral
yup
feral verge
the normal one travels p far
feral verge
real shit
fierce sinew
30m
fierce sinew
the stagger is variable
fierce sinew
more charges = more stagger
hounds and bursters probably have their own stagger resistance shit going on as well
leaden thunder
bursters can get stagger immunity sometimes iirc
fierce sinew
yeah
leaden thunder
that's why allies shooting at them when you are trying to push will fuck it up
fierce sinew
as soon as I see someone shoot it, we're shooting it
long wharf
confirmation on t4 warp nexus on green->blue roll then
what was the modifier rating on that green?
fierce sinew
what was the modifier rating on that green?
long wharf
interesting
so then if we can roll T4s on crafted blues
that's probably the fastest way to get the t4s we want
fierce sinew
it's definitely the most resource efficient way if the rolls really are the same
long wharf
yeah
long wharf
and upgrading to blue only takes plasteel, right?
cyan notch
i wonder if u can get t4 only blessings that way
fierce sinew
I've never seen any t4 only blessing in my client so I wouldn't know :^)
but yeah I assume so
floral solstice
mini poxbursters modifier when
cyan notch
when u blow one up it spawns 5 more mini ones
floral solstice
mutie packs