If it is actually on hit it's a huge buff for gun Psykers
#psyker-class
near wyvern
summer prairie
isn't it BB hit
surreal portal
If you go gunpsyker you basically have 0 quell now, hah.
long wharf
as it should be
near wyvern
Yes but if you are a gun psyker not running psycinetic's aura and KB I don't know what the F you are doing.
long wharf
it doesn't make sense to have slower quelling with a force weapon
near wyvern
If you go gunpsyker you basically have 0 quell now, hah.
You only ever need to quell to 97 so it doesn't really matter
surreal portal
I guess you can't autosuicide with the passive BB, hopefully?
spice veldt
BB every 3 seconds
near wyvern
But man this quell nerf hits my combat blade kinetic deflection push attack spam
orchid nest
it doesn't say monstrosity but I wonder if it puts soulblaze on them anyways
long wharf
ah, but now kinetic deflection takes your peril resistance into account
by how much, not sure yet
near wyvern
Eh
azure goblet
by how much, not sure yet
depends on your warp charges
dry tide
what I find annoying is how one of the few cool things psykers had (kinetic deflection) has been basically axed while the veteran has pretty much only received fixes and buffs
long wharf
not what I meant
near wyvern
depends on your warp charges
Assuming you have inner tranq
long wharf
I meant how much does your peril resistance factor into the calculation
you can't assume a straight multiplier
because FartShart.
summer prairie
It's "current_warp_charge + (block_cost / max_stamina) * warp_charge_efficiency_multiplier * warp_charge_amount_multiplier " now
and the efficiency_multiplier is stat_buffs.warp_charge_amount or 1
so yes it's just a multiplier
cyan notch
i think its pretty good anecdotally from playing
surreal portal
Yes but if you are a gun psyker not running psycinetic's aura and KB I don't kno...
More seriously, I worry what it'll do to psykers while leveling up.
near wyvern
I wonder if you can tank a daemon host anymore now that the quell speed is garbage
Why was it so wrong to have a psyker able to tank it of they take one if four weapons (including different marks) and a specific talent
Now you need a shield ogryn or you are done if you must fight a Daemonhost
long wharf
yeah, psyker melee tanking is dead for real now
spice veldt
i guess they want psykers to learn how to dodge daemonhosts
long wharf
even with peril resistance being a factor for kinetic deflection
near wyvern
i guess they want psykers to learn how to dodge daemonhosts
You don't have enough dodges, I guess FS could but the range on that sucks
cyan notch
you just need an object to circle kite around
summer prairie
you just have to not dodge for 0.85s to reset dodges, you are going to have to block some attacks anyway
cyan notch
ive done it with fs post passive quell pausing on hit nerf
spice veldt
You don't have enough dodges, I guess FS could but the range on that sucks
i've seen a video of a zealot dodging a daemonhost with the knife
near wyvern
So it's possible but only if you have space to kite
spice veldt
yeah; so you can no longer huddle in a corner as your teammate fights off a horde or something
you can still just dodge in an off area away from adds
cyan notch
theres always something nearby to kite around in my experience
you just need like a 3x1 box
or even a 2x1 probably
spice veldt
would be easier if they added a ui element indicating our dodge reset timer though
cyan notch
definitely coming with mods
cyan notch
it was a mod in vt2 too
spice veldt
very true
i abandoned my hope in mods for so long that I forgot about that video by jsat
shut ether
Glad I never used Kinetic Deflection as a crutch
echo turtle
you just need an object to circle kite around
^This
shut ether
It's all coming together
echo turtle
KD is still amazing
spice veldt
i haven't used kinetic deflection in a hot while, but it's still pretty good for the guardbreak protection
echo turtle
I wish they would buff the FS instead of nerfing all the reasons why the alternatives are better
shut ether
Idk even in some of the most fked situations I can never say guard break is what killed me
clear heath
being able to actually get the right blessings on FS is really nice now
the weapon is so blessing dependant
spice veldt
i take some chip damage from bad stamina management which can culminate in my death
echo turtle
Idk even in some of the most fked situations I can never say guard break is what...
It changes what kind of situations you can be in, and how much melee damage you can do.
KD lets you control hordes, even pushing into them to drop specials and get revives
spice veldt
it's a nice thing to have, though I now just take a +3 stam curio
cyan notch
being able to actually get the right blessings on FS is really nice now
how are you getting them? upgrading greys or emp gifts
echo turtle
You can play around not having it, The other classes do. You are just less effective
echo turtle
how are you getting them? upgrading greys or emp gifts
You only need to start with 1 thats decent
clear heath
how are you getting them? upgrading greys or emp gifts
I've been buying greys, but rn i'm actually building up a weapon i found a long time ago i never got around to upgrading
When i roll that sprint eff into flak armor damage, this is gonna be great
slaughterer + deflector is so nice
i wish i had t4 slaughter tho
cyan notch
18 mob
clear heath
yeah uhh, that's why i wanna switch to the new one
cyan notch
clear heath
mobility lol
spice veldt
i was worried that I'd have to convince you to pick the 80% mobility one
clear heath
i just need to get flak perk and i'll switch to it
long wharf
KD is still amazing
useful, no longer amazing
clear heath
I actually like KD for generating peril for quietude in tough situations
broken quail
I upgraded like 10 greys with good stat rolls to blues but no good blessings, just crit/weak spot on dodge and peril on hit
clear heath
it's annoying that it pauses passive quell but i manual quell a lot anyways so
cyan notch
damn
summer prairie
KD still makes you immune to melee
cyan notch
i have like 40k+ mats and i dont really wanna dump em all
shut ether
More often than not shooters are the problem on Damnation not melee
long wharf
even with this patch, without blessings being fixed for staves, I don't feel the desire to jump into the game
long wharf
you think maybe that was FartShart's plan all along?
make psykers want to only carry fswords?
like how vets only use powerswords
cyan notch
finally the horde clear is actually passable
and soulblaze buff lmao
long wharf
what soulblaze buff?
void mural
so yes it's just a multiplier
So now inner tranquility + warp battery is good for kinetic deflection?
clear heath
most of the things that make force sword good and unique is actually blessings, so crafting is a nice indirect buff to most people's force sword
cyan notch
slaughterer buffing blaze ticks
near wyvern
I actually like KD for generating peril for quietude in tough situations
That is nerfed now as well
long wharf
I'm not seeing a soulblaze buff anywhere
spice veldt
i think they mean blazing spirit
clear heath
That is nerfed now as well
well yeah, but it works well enough imo
near wyvern
make psykers want to only carry fswords?
So it seems. At least we can craft a good one now.
long wharf
but you have to crit to apply blazing spirit
cyan notch
no i mean slaughterer +power buffing soulblaze burn damage
spice veldt
o
long wharf
ah, you mean with purge then
near wyvern
So now inner tranquility + warp battery is good for kinetic deflection?
Yes, can still probably clutch a ress in the middle of a horde with it
spice veldt
wasn't that always there though?
void mural
Yeah, just you can't alternate stamina/peril regen with each other now and KD
long wharf
I guess it's time to clear out all these weapons I've been holding onto
near wyvern
wasn't that always there though?
Yes
cyan notch
not only purge but ab too
near wyvern
It's just that slaughterer on a good FS is actually now accessible where as previously it was a weapon only on the persons Emperor was willing to have it on
cyan notch
wasn't that always there though?
yea but i was just replying to json about him getting slaughterer
spice veldt
oh
frail berry
Just found a T4 Surge blessing in Melk's shop, buy? I cant figure what it does/would be good on...
prisma peak
Ay y'all, what's the talent build for flame staff?
long wharf
Just found a T4 Surge blessing in Melk's shop, buy? I cant figure what it does/...
good god man, yes
it's second rarest blessing for psykers
... you know, Brunt's Armoury really paints the picture for our complaints about never seeing what we want in the random shop
19 ranged weapons in the pool
15 melee weapons in the pool
near wyvern
Just found a T4 Surge blessing in Melk's shop, buy? I cant figure what it does/...
If you find a T4 you don't have just buy it. Weeklies are more rewarding and easier to complete than before. Gotta catch 'em all.
frail berry
good god man, yes
Grabbed it, should I Earn Blessing (current its on a 336 trauma staff)? What else would you put it on?
long wharf
a shame it's on the trauma staff
... wait, I didn't know the surge blessing was possible on the trauma staff
I thought it was only on void
surge is basically double hit on crit
frail berry
definitly on trauma, let me post SS
long wharf
so once FartShart fixes the aiming with trauma, that'll be top tier
frail berry
long wharf
but even more important - why the fuck do we have only one button on talking with Hadron?
long wharf
get rid of that click entirely and just put us in the actual menu
cyan notch
youre a developer harry
worthy wedge
so what did you develop?
long wharf
alright folks, time to rip Deflector 4 off this
near wyvern
Grabbed it, should I Earn Blessing (current its on a 336 trauma staff)? What el...
Yes earn the blessing
frail berry
good god man, yes
Whats the rarest blessing?
long wharf
Bloodthirsty on the fsword
a T4-only blessing
it's the unicorn of psyker blessings
there needs to be an icon or something (maybe a background glow? I dunno) for blessings you already have when in Hadron's menus
it's good that the Earn Blessing UI tells you have it
but tell me that before I go all the way into that menu
near wyvern
Pen and paper my friend
That's how I kept track of which mission types I have completed for the Damnation frame
long wharf
I don't play games on my PC to have pen and paper notes
also, we need to be able to break weapons down into mats
orchid shadow
Wait Bloodthirsty? Holy I didn't even know something that like that existed
long wharf
it's exceedingly rare
cyan notch
hes gonna post it
long wharf
yep, here it comes
summer prairie
you get like 800+/300 from one damnation mission now, mats from weapons wouldn't matter
spice veldt
assuming the most generous case where you have 56% block eff from curio perks and weapon perks, a 3% increase in block eff translates into only an approximately 9% increases in total damage that you can block at a time
dry tide
wow, earning a blessing that can be applied to multiple weapons only unlocks for the weapon class you earned it from. what anti-player clown thought that up?
cyan notch
long wharf
wow, earning a blessing that can be applied to multiple weapons only unlocks for...
you should be thankful that blessings are account-wide
I know I was expecting each class to have to do it individually
limber silo
Yeah, I was hyped to get a better warp nexus on my fire staff until I realized it was only on mysurge ):
dry tide
account-wide blessings are nice, but don't mean much to me when I play psyker 90% of the time and ogryn the other 10%
long wharf
¯_(ツ)_/¯
orchid shadow
So combining blessings isn't a thing? Or did I miss it?
leaden thunder
not a thing
fair kayak
wRACK AND RUIN WORTH TAKING
orchid shadow
Booo, so much for buying up all the crap force swords with deflector
long wharf
not quite
W&R needs to be on hitting anything with BB
then it'll start being usable
leaden thunder
lemee find it real quick
clear heath
I thought they just changed it to hitting elites/specials
long wharf
everything requires testing
clear heath
instead of needing to kill
orchid shadow
I believe it was mentioned in the patch notes that the tool tip is incorrect, but it's on Hit now
brittle crest
what does the passive quelling change actually mean
are non-warp weapons slower now or...?
long wharf
means non-force weapons are garbage for quelling now
summer prairie
maaaybe you hit some new BB breakpoints with it now but that's very marginal
brittle crest
means non-force weapons are garbage for quelling now
wait so psyker got nerfed... again?
long wharf
yup
brittle crest
clear heath
i love it
runic flint
<:OMEGAKEWWW:822117490200674366>
Psyker too op
clear heath
now i just need to wait for t4 slaughterer
summer prairie
warp resistance potentially useful now though
azure goblet
im confused about this new change to Quell Speed
cyan notch
id go +maniac
azure goblet
what does this Peril Decay stat do under Quell Speed for staves?
clear heath
warp resistance potentially useful now though
warp res only effects the force sword special
you're probably thinking of peril res change, which is the psyker feat
summer prairie
how do you know whether warp resistance affects FS blocking or not
clear heath
idk it doesn't say it does
long wharf
warp resistance shouldn't
azure goblet
how do you know whether warp resistance affects FS blocking or not
because its not mentioned there, but the Peril Resistance feat does now
long wharf
it's not peril resistance
clear heath
but honestly i want both blocking and special to generate peril so i don't really care
summer prairie
there's a difference?
long wharf
oh for fuck's sake FartShart
long wharf
why is the order of the currency/mats flipped below the re-bless window?
clear heath
warp res specifically effects one action on the weapon
summer prairie
isn't peril resistance the same thing as warp resistance
clear heath
no warp res effects specific actions on the weapons that have them
like they're very specific
force sword warp res doesn't even effect its push
summer prairie
I know that's the description
cyan notch
how do you know whether warp resistance affects FS blocking or not
it didnt affect it before this patch unless they changed it now
long wharf
@cyan notch fine, you happy now?
orchid shadow
Woot!
summer prairie
Peril resistance didn't either, but this patch made it affect blocking
long wharf
Peril resistance didn't either, but this patch made it affect blocking
I reported that as a bug
cyan notch
wow double slaughterer deflector post
frigid burrow
For the quell speed change mentioned in the patch, am I understanding it right like gun psykers got rekt and staff psykers got a slight boost?
long wharf
yup
frigid burrow
Rip to my gun homies
long wharf
passive quelling on non-force weapons needed to be dumped, anyways
let that come back as a sub-class feature
maiden wolf
passive quelling on non-force weapons needed to be dumped, anyways
Not without an equivalent buff to non-force weapons IMO
azure goblet
what blessings would you guys run on a perfect rolled Purgatus staff, other than Warp Flurry?
spice veldt
prob Warp Nexus
clear heath
the non-force weapons aren't really any worse than fs anyways
idk why they deserve a buff
like they still have their uses
azure goblet
sry i meant other than Warp Nexus***
cyan notch
some like terrifying barrage or focused channeling
azure goblet
it has focused channeling right now
tryna decide if terrifying barrage is better, since Warp Flurry doesnt work on it atm
spice veldt
it's just like a gun where you have to swap to it to reload, except it reloads slowly over time on another weapon
lilac tapir
imo: focused channeling is something you can drop and still win if you play well (or improve your gameplay over time), terrifying barrage is an actual benefit to you and entire team as it increases CC
summer prairie
rerolling perks is so much faster now even with the extra click
spice veldt
it enables facetanking shooters with purg if you're into that
clear heath
honestly I wish we had the inventory layout of vt2
seeing just a list like this doesn't work well once you have a bunch of weapons
long wharf
on which staff?
cyan notch
purg
long wharf
flurry was fixed for trauma
shut ether
Was it fixed for void?
long wharf
oh, a stealth bug fix then?
summer prairie
maybe finally worth using since it one-shots poxwalkers
shut ether
I didn't see it in the patchnotes
summer prairie
oops that dialogue
long wharf
oops that dialogue
I thought you were being facetious
shut ether
I TRUST YOU ARE PLEASED?! 
shut ether
more like - I TRU-ITR-ITRUS-ITRUST
cyan notch
im not 100% sure so its anecdotal but i remember thinking to myself wow thats a really fast max charge
shut ether
maybe finally worth using since it one-shots poxwalkers
I run infested on my axe would recommend with brutal momentum
Chop through them like butter
Sad you can't get Flak on there too though
summer prairie
antax needs perfect rolls, infested and limbsplitter to one-shot poxwalkers with the push attack. I guess you can do it with warp charges but you'll probably need 5 or 6
azure goblet
i had so many weapons they werent all showing til i earned blessings and smashed throw-aways
in case anyone was wondering if that can happen
arctic rampart
For the quell speed change mentioned in the patch, am I understanding it right l...
Actually staff psykers got absolutely shafted. It's now suicide to use a high peril staff and mix it with melee. By the time you're out of melee and ready to use the staff, your peril is still way too high. Playstyle is now to hold R and move at snail speed for half the mission.
shut ether
Actually staff psykers got absolutely shafted. It's now suicide to use a high pe...
That's why I don't use Kinetic Deflection. Embrace serenity become your staff
You can allso quell slide so it's not really a problem
spice veldt
i usually just dodge-slide while quelling
arctic rampart
I regularly active quell with surge
I believe that's my whole point. You now HAVE to actively quell, always.
spice veldt
it's rough my keybinds (C for crouch, V for quelling), but it works
long wharf
well basically
azure goblet
i actually crab walk dodge with FS while quelling lol
frigid burrow
Does the Force sword counts as a warp weapon regarding that passive quelling change then?
shut ether
I believe that's my whole point. You now HAVE to actively quell, always.
I don't mind that personally. That's how I've always played
long wharf
yes, and fsword doesn't have a quell speed modifier
spice veldt
other classes have to switch to their ranged to reload it
i think we're pretty well off on the fact that it still passively quells
arctic rampart
Too bad for those of us who liked to get into melee and not just sit on staff, huh?
frigid burrow
Dang so non-staff anything got fucked up lol
long wharf
it definitely highlights flaws in psyker core mechanics, yes
welcome to being a Real Psyker
shut ether
Why play so much melee if you're playing Psyker though. Idk not my playstyle
long wharf
Sibling.
clear heath
If you're meleeing that much, then you can live without quelling
what do you need to quell peril for if you're using a melee wep?
spice veldt
i've been playing as a mostly melee psyker with FS since the start and it's been pretty fine
arctic rampart
Not when my staff is trauma. Without passive quell there is no time for melee.
Forcing a playstyle of staff only is really, really bad design.
spice veldt
trauma staggers enemies down to the ground, so it's pretty much the best staff for a melee playstyle
shut ether
You're as squishy as a wet fat. I'd rather just be blasting from afar and use Melee as a backup plan
clear heath
I've been doing some melee just fine
if you're meleeing a lot, you're not building much peril anyways
spice veldt
you could also just actively quell -> swap to melee to push -> actively quell -> repeat
shut ether
I bet just different playstles I suppose
spice veldt
that's what I do if I have to quell with a horde near me
void mural
IMO, if they wanted to force us to use staff for quelling, they should have just not given psyker the option to use guns
arctic rampart
I don't go to melee to push... I go to kill everything in sight with my BM mkV
long wharf
IMO, if they wanted to force us to use staff for quelling, they should have just...
which is why I think psyker shouldn't get any two-handed range weapons
spice veldt
well if you want space to quell, perhaps you should take advantage of pushing
shut ether
I feel dirty using a gun on my Psyker but maybe that's just me
void mural
Eh? Why would he still get pistol then?
shut ether
Like if you gave sienna a bow
arctic rampart
It's just forcing even more micro managing on the most glass class... and there's still no cannon.
long wharf
Eh? Why would he still get pistol then?
to push and quell, of course
void mural
Huh? It'd still have bad quell
long wharf
not the point
it's thematic and consistent with what the psyker should be doing
which is building up and quelling peril
void mural
A pistol?
arctic rampart
It's also a huge nerf to toughness on quell. Such a huge limitation on Psyker playstyles, it's not even funny.
Best of all the talent for moving fast while quelling doesn't even work for staves. Like what the hell.
spice veldt
even at 100% peril, that's 50% toughness
long wharf
frankly, I'd like to see quietude buffed to 1:1 toughness gain
spice veldt
i don't think that's particularly impactful
void mural
Honestly, give force weapons a quell stat and make all non-staff & force weapons have half max passive quell
spice veldt
if you're getting blasted by guns such that the toughness damage reduction mechanic isn't saving you, then 50% toughness isn't going to help
void mural
frankly, I'd like to see quietude buffed to 1:1 toughness gain
With how the current quelling works, yeah
arctic rampart
i don't think that's particularly impactful
When you could staff to 100 peril and then wade into melee with a peril buffer, it was huge. Now the peril drops so slowly that the toughness regen is a joke
Like I said, they are removing Psyker playstyles.
dry tide
it's feeling like the psyker is being removed as a pick since it can't really do anything better than a different class at this point
long wharf
I've been saying since release that we all enjoyed psyker in spite of its mechanics, not because of
we've all learned how to enjoy psyker in ways FartShart didn't intend
because otherwise it's bullshit
dry tide
nail on the head right there
patent steeple
btw Wrack and Ruin Feat now activates on hitting elites with BB, rather than on kill, thx to the newest patch. the description is just outdated for now.
long wharf
did you test it?
arctic rampart
Right, so still pointless.
void mural
Yeah, but what he hell is 2 stacks going to even do?
long wharf
and yes, we know, and it still needs to be on-hit anything with BB
arctic rampart
It might look pretty 🤷♂️
patent steeple
did you test it?
well no, but the patch notes say it is...
also, yes i agree with CommanderJ about it being still pointless, even tho i have not used it myself.
clear heath
and yes, we know, and it still needs to be on-hit *anything* with BB
I still wouldn't be taking it tbh
sick cove
well atleast they will prob give it a small buff every time until it is actually good
clear heath
it would either need more range or more damage
void mural
It would take them completely changing how soublaze works and making low stacks actually do something, or making it proc 6 stacks or something
patent steeple
i mean i would like it if KB at lvl 30 gave you something like +10% to BB damage on top of its other benefits.
actually now that i think about it, maybe +15% or +20% extra damage to BB would be better than +10%, but it should still be a small bonus considering the 25% faster charge speed would still exist...
arctic rampart
I love that they thought the triggering mechanic was the problem with wrack and ruin. Just... woah.
void mural
Yes, technically a buff... did it actually do anything? Don't make me laugh
Honestly, if it did enough soulblaze damage to kill dreg gunners or something, I'd try it out
void mural
BB a single one in a group and kill them all would be some cool mechanics
void mural
Would need to be 6 stacks.
Yup
arctic rampart
But honestly it's just a bad talent design.
dry tide
better to have something be extremely effective in specific situations than useless in all
void mural
IMO, soulblaze is bad dot design
arctic rampart
Even at 6 you'd be like... ok it applies enough stacks to kill one basic enemy and will take 10 seconds to kill it...
void mural
Exactly, soulblaze should do something actually significant at low numbers, not require 6 or 8 stacks to be even noticable
shut ether
What if they had a talent that made Brainburst AOE at a reduced effectiveness
patent steeple
imagine if we get a Wrack and Ruin overhaul, where the BB target, regardless of type, explodes when killed by it.
it would still be a sort of "area damage BB" option, but the explosion could do just a small amount of damage or even just stagger..
sick cove
i guess if soul blaze had a linear damage increase it would be better
void mural
What if they had a talent that made Brainburst AOE at a reduced effectiveness
Just give us multiple types of "grenades" to choose from for each class
shut ether
YOu mean subclasses?
void mural
i guess if soul blaze had a linear damage increase it would be better
That's what I've said
Give it 20 dps per stack or something
patent steeple
What if they had a talent that made Brainburst AOE at a reduced effectiveness
also sorry for stealing your idea accidentally...
void mural
5 stacks? Kills something with 200 hp in 2 seconds. 2 stacks? Takes 5 seconds
long wharf
finally finished clearing out my psyker's inventory
now for the other classes
does the game seem a little more taxing on the system than it used to be?
I didn't used to get max 20fps on the MourningStar
long wharf
yep, looks that way, thanks
digital loom
trauma staff is really fun but i don't go janitor mode unless i have someone covering me
otherwise i have to keep stopping to clear 3 pox walkers off my back
i've been using this instead of force sword, missing infinite dodge but its good
really happy with this trauma staff
long wharf
yeah baby, time to make my bleed knife zealot even more stupid
digital loom
wow nice
clear heath
bloodletting feat for zealot is bugged btw
long wharf
bugged how?
clear heath
Only stacks on crits against bleeding enemies now, instead of any melee on bleeding enemies
actually very noticeable
pain in the ass to maintain stacks
leaden thunder
the feat not blessing
long wharf
oh my bad, feat
leaden thunder
ie the crit's on hitting bleeding enemies
long wharf
wait, so it's no longer an additional crit chance modifier against bleeding enemies?
long wharf
ugh that's so stupid
feral crater
Hotfix for Memory leak... ME that hasn't finished updating yet...
spice veldt
until you break your attack combo or miss an attack
"repeated" is the same as "chained", so you have to continue your combo (1st light -> 2nd light/heavy -> etc.)
if you drop your combo by waiting too long to attack or swapping weapons, then you lose stacks
if you miss an attack, you lose your stacks
if you don't hit a weakspot, you lose your stacks
although, it's fine to hit a bodyshot as long as your cleave hits at least one weakspot
safe crystal
Wait, is that how its still written in the game? A % of what? Power? Damage? Weakspot damage? You just get a random 4%?
safe crystal
Yeah, its clarified after the patch
blissful mural
Too bad for those of us who liked to get into melee and not just sit on staff, h...
it feels like they want to only use staff and only use it huddlled in the corner of a room. This si getting so fucking old, they keep nerfing psyker and they WONT STOP. what is wrong with these idiots, they built (part of) a great game, did an entirely new team show up with a hard on for screwing psyker players over?
tall mango
feral crater
Definitely not Psykers.
idle bay
Mini-bosses (including Demonhost) - are count as Unyielding?
limber silo
I know plague ogryns and beasts count as unyielding
near wyvern
How long does the blessing executor last?
As long as you keep an attack chain going
twilit flicker
Seems like they want us to actively quell with the changes to quell speed on non-force weapons. They should really buff the skill that lets you run while quelling, you think?
spice veldt
maybe movement penalty removal in other areas such as while casting
and/or gives you run n' gun without requiring the blessing
twilit flicker
I suppose this is a discussion for theory crafting. I think a flat 10% faster quelling if you take that feat would make it competative.
near wyvern
IMO they should make moving while quelling baseline, no other class slows down while reloading their weapon.
Mind in Motion should allow you to move normally when channeling and when going ADS.
arctic rampart
it feels like they want to only use staff and only use it huddlled in the corner...
With all the RNG that has totally not been removed in this patch, and all the RNG actually added... and their inability to make Psyker good... yeah FS is just... a bunch of morons, tbh.
near wyvern
it feels like they want to only use staff and only use it huddlled in the corner...
Well, the thing is with a gun you don't really need to quell more than 3%
It's just that there is quite nothing feat wise for improving the gun play of a psyker
blissful mural
Psyker was great In the October beta , they nerfed the hell out of it won't stop is the problem
proud mantle
so is this voidstrike essentially useless with these blessings since you can only swap 1 out
blissful mural
Well, the thing is with a gun you don't really need to quell more than 3%
You do if you wanna use bb or force sword
near wyvern
You do if you wanna use bb or force sword
BB is always safe at 97, FS is always safe at 99 with any decent resistance roll
lethal folio
Force sword you don't even need to quell 1% if you time it.
blissful mural
so is this voidstrike essentially useless with these blessings since you can onl...
I'd say soulblaze would still be useful on voidstrike
spice veldt
so is this voidstrike essentially useless with these blessings since you can onl...
as an aside, weakspot damage is not as good as you might expect
https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/counterfire-is-still-not-applying-the-correct-amount-of-weakspot-damage/75377/4
proud mantle
darn
can i transfer blessings from trauma to void? i have a trauma with tier 4 quell
sleek yacht
soulblaze seems kinda redundant no? on voidstrike
blissful mural
can i transfer blessings from trauma to void? i have a trauma with tier 4 quell
Once you unlock the blessing you have it always
sleek yacht
youd kill them, first before benefitting from it
near wyvern
as an aside, weakspot damage is not as good as you might expect
https://forums.f...
So +X% weakspot damage is absolutely garbage 😂
dry tide
if you earn a blessing from trauma, you only have it for trauma. even if other staves can have it
blissful mural
soulblaze seems kinda redundant no? on voidstrike
The extra damage really help me deal with crowds.
proud mantle
Once you unlock the blessing you have it always
yeah ik but like they're different staff types so wasnt sure if the blessings were hard-tied to the weapon, if that makes sense
spice veldt
actual doodoo perk
except on weapons with insane weakspot dmg like knife
even then
actual doodoo
blissful mural
yeah ik but like they're different staff types so wasnt sure if the blessings we...
Blessings are applied to the whole account
spice veldt
i don't know if it's transferable between trauma or not
near wyvern
can i transfer blessings from trauma to void? i have a trauma with tier 4 quell
The post said the blessings are mark specific, based on that no since trauma and void are different marks. However I don't believe a thing until someone tests it.
spice veldt
i don't think it is though
proud mantle
The post said the blessings are mark specific, based on that no since trauma and...
welp
time to test
spark forge
yeah ik but like they're different staff types so wasnt sure if the blessings we...
Warp nexus on my void did not show up for my surge on reblessing.
spice veldt
even though they're both equinox staffs, I assume that trauma and void are considered different weapon types
near wyvern
time to test
Pls share to us how did it go
blissful mural
The post said the blessings are mark specific, based on that no since trauma and...
Nevermind, seems they truly are mark specific
dry tide
I've tested, it doesn't work
near wyvern
Anyone can test wrack and ruin in psyc? Does it proc on elite and special hits or on any hit?
proud mantle
saved
spice veldt
another trauma staff lives to tell the tale
blissful mural
shame that it's gonna get sacrificed
Well the store does seem to genuinely be turning out better weapons at least
blissful mural
was there any news on that blessing combine mechanic
I think they said they scrapped that
spice veldt
i wasted so many dockets on buying shit weapons with low tier blessings
blissful mural
i wasted so many dockets on buying shit weapons with low tier blessings
Me too. And I sold all my shit weapons with high tier blessings
spice veldt
my mistake was taking fatshark at face value
proud mantle
well inventory is limitless so ill keep them just in case
spice veldt
ah, the amount of dockets that I could've had to buy 10000000 force swords from Brunt's
sick cove
huh, so apparantly unlocked blessings are account wide?
surreal portal
Well, the thing is with a gun you don't really need to quell more than 3%
Even if it's strictly reducing the visual/noise spam, it's worth it!
(More seriously, being able to get a volley of BBs ready again is helpful)
near wyvern
It's just funny that with all this RNG 95% of the stuff you see in game are worthless piles of shit. At least with VT2 you could dismantle them and get good stuff, which made even a garbage weapon feel good since it was progress.
proud mantle
whats the tier 4 for ranged crit chance perk now, i saw the patch notes had some perks changed
spice veldt
warp nexus? the crit chance scaling on peril?
near wyvern
whats the tier 4 for ranged crit chance perk now, i saw the patch notes had some...
They made blessing changes not perks
proud mantle
ah darn
well refining perks is funny cause now i hear hadron yell praise the omnisiiah every second
summer prairie
warp nexus is the same as before, they just changed the text
proud mantle
nah sorry i meant the perk
anyway
this is the best i can get this staff
really scuffed but
ig it has comedy value
glad fern
did they get rid of combine blessing?
proud mantle
never added it
glad fern
ah so if i have lvl 1 blessing they are useless right?
karmic copper
Useless yes
proud mantle
essentially, unless they add it later
glad fern
thx
near wyvern
essentially, unless they add it later
I am not gonna wait for that day. I am just gonna fish papa Melk and crafting until I have T4 blessings I need.
blissful mural
(More seriously, being able to get a volley of BBs ready again is helpful)
especially if your trying to get the pick and mix penance
near wyvern
KB exists for pick n mix
blissful mural
unless im using flame staff, KB exist to make BB useful
idle bay
Refinery Delta-17 is borked after patch... FPS there goes down the drain
wanton sandal
anyone else feel like getting hit isnt as noticeable now?
i feel like im getting chipped away at without even realizing it now
safe crystal
i feel like im getting chipped away at without even realizing it now
The backstab sound wasnt playing correctly before the hotfix, i havent played again yet because the patch reintroduced the annoying flickering lights and i got a headache (also invisible dogs)
idle bay
Grimoirs and Scriptures are now just 1-2 mission on board...
limber silo
I'm trowing myself against damnation and hitting a wall
wanton sandal
true af
limber silo
but I'm getting more resources dying than I was winning last patch
damnation w/ randoms can be troublesome
limber silo
That's about the amount of penetration I did last night (it should be 0% but close enough)
spice veldt
penetration doesn't really matter with uncanny strike no?
proud mantle
i mean it's still a multiplier no?
spice veldt
on a crusher, my force sword lights go from 1 damage to about 130 dmg at max t3 uncanny strike stacks
proud mantle
hmm
spice veldt
i'd test it out in the meatgrinder
might be better than you think
otherwise, you could scrap the blessing
still hearth
If you have 100% Rending
Penetration doesn't matter
Unless Penetration is already above 100%
But I don't think Knife can get over 100% Penetration on its damage types.
spice veldt
damn
lethal folio
Uncanny is very effective against crushers
proud mantle
tested lights
still hearth
Uncanny Strike is the best blessing for Knife
lethal folio
It also helps light spam on eveything not unarmoured.
proud mantle
crit numbers arent too much better
still hearth
But Bleed is garbage 
proud mantle
heavies went from 147 on weakspot to 346 weakspot
oops i mean 363 and 448 on crit
actually
not that bad
near wyvern
Just so ppl know here. Blessings that are earned are not mark specific. They are blessing pool specific. I extracted a shred IV from a Duelling Sword MK II and I can't extract the same from MK V because I already have it.
So no, they are not mark specific, they are pool specific.
still hearth
That's what FS said from the start. 
Though they called it weapon type or something
Instead
proud mantle
not that bad
but on a knife with 55 pen it went from 424 base and 526 crit
so pen is definitely nice
still hearth
It's because of how Rending works
If you had 100% Rending you'd get the same result
Regardless of Penetration value
proud mantle
😭
still hearth
I think its even 25% on Dueling Sword for some reason
proud mantle
125% 🤯 would be funny if it overstacked
still hearth
25% extra damage 
proud mantle
like how some games do over 100% crit and it just does more dmg
hmm
decisions decisions
which blessing to put where and which to scrap
proud mantle
yeah def not keeping that
leaden thunder
top one seems good
proud mantle
but i could have 1 duel sword with 2 tier 4
leaden thunder
rampage _ shred
still hearth
The bases are pretty meh though
spice veldt
hiding the good shit from us eh
leaden thunder
just replace that rampage with the better one
proud mantle
hiding the good shit from us eh
ive accumulated a lot of shit and opened the game after a month lmao
so much shit to sift through
spice veldt
i've been surprised with a t3 uncanny strike FS that I have no recollection of getting
presumably as an emperor's gift
spice veldt
one of my emperor's gift was a force sword with a t4 blessing... which was precognition (+weakspot)
i'm still mildly bitter over it
leaden thunder
proud mantle
alright fellas
need help crafting the best FS i can
i have most of the tier 3 blessings
no tier 4's
blissful mural
need help crafting the best FS i can
gotta have deflector on 9 or 12%
spice veldt
slaughterer is pretty much mandatory on the FS to make it good at hordeclear
blissful mural
i have most of the tier 3 blessings
I actually like blazing spirit on my FS
proud mantle
slaughterer is pretty much mandatory on the FS to make it good at hordeclear
sadly this is the only one i dont have
spice veldt
ah damn
idle bay
gotta have deflector on 9 or 12%
Go for full Deflector madness 🙂 With +1 stamina on FS, and 3 +3 Stamina Curios, and with +20% Block effeciency on FS, and +12% Block Efficiency on every curio
blissful mural
it helps clear hordes in melee and you can get killks witht he sheild up
proud mantle
Go for full Deflector madness 🙂 With +1 stamina on FS, and 3 +3 Stamina Curio...
removes your ability to res with deflector
that said
still based
idle bay
It's not for ressing, just to play Neo for a FEW SECONDS 🙂
proud mantle
idle bay
though should be more than few now 🙂
No game i will not use Trauma again - it's too clunky...
spice veldt
i personally like both of those perks, but i'd reroll carapace if i had to pick
blissful mural
No game i will not use Trauma again - it's too clunky...
I think trauma should be reworked so the circle is instead a forward facing cone, that grows in a V shape as its charged
proud mantle
i personally like both of those perks, but i'd reroll carapace if i had to pick
honestly fair enough
idle bay
I think trauma should be reworked so the circle is instead a forward facing cone...
Actually good idea
spice veldt
as for what you reroll carapace into, it'll prob depend on your personal preference and build since +maniac is really the important perk to have on FS
so it's a flex slot
proud mantle
ill just keep it as is
need to farm some mats
also when yall said account wide
when i scrap this on psyker
would it show up on vet?
crude talon
Can someone tldr whatever nerf happened to psyker?
proud mantle
would it show up on vet?
actually lemme jsut test this
spice veldt
non-force weapons (guns and non-force swords) now have the same passive quell speed as the force sword
crude talon
Ewwww
wintry ivy
The patch notes said that earned blessings are account wide so long as you're trying to put that blessing on the same mark of weapon
wintry ivy
actually lemme jsut test this
What weapon?
limber silo
Why tf is there a % curio instead of weapon perk on curios?
When I can still get curios as e gifts???
wintry ivy
Then yes, you can put that blessing on the same specific type of autogun
grizzled jasper
Same reason why you still get exp bonus when you’re 30
proud mantle
Then yes, you can put that blessing on the same specific type of autogun
nice, just tested it too and yea its there
limber silo
and sniper resist
warped pilot
is rampage any good on this? the sword doesnt seem to do a lot of sweeping so i imagine it would be pretty hard to activate
dry tide
now if only we had a blessing system for curios
limber silo
Unfortunately the staves do not count as the same weapon
limber silo
is rampage any good on this? the sword doesnt seem to do a lot of sweeping so i ...
rampage is great, unfortunately you got a worse mk
mkII is where it's at
warped pilot
i like the Mk V tho, it looks stylish 
limber silo
still,mk5 is usable and rampage is the best of the blessings for duelling
the diagonal sweeps are decent for crowds, they just classify them as assassin for no reason
slow karma
What are you on about? The mark V is the go-to
slow karma
The mk V is the one with the diagonal sweeps, that's usually why people want it.
You get better hoard potential without hurting the single target where it matters
slow karma
You're gonna wanna go test this
limber silo
I already did
dia, dia, vert
and the heavies are vert vert
mk II is all dia for lights and dia vert for heavies
limber silo
is rampage any good on this? the sword doesnt seem to do a lot of sweeping so i ...
Un-bless that shit and put it on a mkII my friend
slow karma
This is very clearly one of those games I'm noy going to be able to keep up with the nuances of damn near anything without unreasonable amounts of legwork
limber silo
it's alright, I had to go buy one just to see what you werer talking about
warped pilot
the mk II looks like it was left in thrift store for several years tho... :(
limber silo
just put a skin on it dude
warped pilot
i like the shiny unpainted blades
i wish they would give us skins that aren't so.. garish?
slow karma
The Imperium is garishness made manifest as an ideology.
warped pilot
true i suppose
slow karma
I mean I don't disagree with your want, it's just hard to meet in the middle of that, design-wise
warped pilot
i quite like the ostentatious wear and i'd be all for ridiculous outfits, i'd like to see more candles and a ludicrous amount of purity seals (outside the zealot)
limber silo
I want a psyker headpiece that an astronaut helmet, no face visible
floral solstice
ok i knew i wasn't tripping when i felt like there was some kind of memory leak
good to see they fixed it fast
playing hi5 with 20-30fps earlier was not fun lol
silver pagoda
anyone know if warp flurry is still useless on surge staff?
didn't see anything in the patch notes, but as far as I could tell it just did nothing before so I hoped they looked at it
yeah it still does nothing
summer prairie
I think peril resistance and 6 stacks makes each point of stamina worth 6.25 with peril block
weak galleon
just came back here after few weeks of absence to see the reaction to yet another psyker nerf.
This is getting golden.
So, any meta changes due to recent nerfs? I assume force sword is bis, now? For a non-gun psyker.
summer prairie
BiS is still the knife
spice veldt
not really; nothing fundamental about non-force weapons has been changed besides the passive quell speed
but it's easier to get a good force sword now
weak galleon
not really; nothing fundamental about non-force weapons has been changed besides...
I'm reading that their passive quell time got equalized with that of FS?
spice veldt
yup
weak galleon
that's, like, pretty huge.
spice veldt
i personally actively quell a bunch so I don't see it as much of a concern
summer prairie
Your ult is up all the time anyway
maiden wolf
just came back here after few weeks of absence to see the reaction to yet anothe...
Purge staff and Force sword are pretty much unnaffected. Any build that uses passive quell is fucked.
spice veldt
just have good keybinds for weapon switching and quelling so that you can swap to your staff and quell on demand
get in the habit of actively quelling at any downtime and you're set
surreal portal
gameplay
(Especially at lower levels before you get the move while quelling perk)
maiden wolf
I wish I could go up to the lead developer at FS, grab them by the arms, shake them and ask WHHYYYYYYY!?
summer prairie
it was never efficient to switch to melee whenever you had to quell. Passive quell mostly only mattered for 1-3 in some cases
maiden wolf
it was never efficient to switch to melee whenever you had to quell. Passive que...
Strong disagree, with a powerful melee weapon you could get shit done, and given the weaker killing power of the surge staff, supplementing that with your melee was important.
spice veldt
you can still melee; just that there are seconds of downtime for quelling if needed
summer prairie
Then you are switching to melee because it's efficient, not because you want to quell
spice veldt
I haven't used surge in a while, but I don't recall needing that much peril for a quick zap
just swap to staff and "reload" your staff as needed
olive ember
It’s like 10-20 and 3 seconds of active quell on a decent staff puts you from 100 to like 20
spice veldt
quell to 30, not 20
olive ember
Meh more or less
maiden wolf
you can still melee; just that there are seconds of downtime for quelling if nee...
With slower quell you also don't get much value out of quietude any more. The passive quell melee let you regenerate toughness while you fought in melee before switching back to your staff.
olive ember
Jokes on you I ran quietude with a FS
summer prairie
I still run quietude with surge, it's barely affected
spice veldt
the slower quell also means that you get some more worth out of kinetic shield with non-force melee
surreal portal
Leveling a psyker is going to be pretty painful now, I suspect.
30 isn't affected as much, but...
olive ember
Nah peril blocking is still worth more than kinetic shield
Granted I run a deflector FS
spice veldt
i never said that kinetic shield was better than kinetic deflection
but that it offers up a new synergy
olive ember
Well yes but you talk like the synergy is something anyone would run kek
olive ember
.o.
spice veldt
sacrifice 17 toughness for +11% to +49% more effective toughness based on peril
olive ember
I run max hp trinkets
Find it a lot more useful
My base hp is now 216 which means I can actually take a hit without crumpling
spice veldt
i used to run 3 toughness, though I now think that 1 hp + 2 toughness would be better in my case (if I didn't take +3 stam) for corruption and snipers
manic halo
siblings we got nerfed?
feral crater
There were some buffs to staff weapons... Minor but still.
And the maxxed quellspeed on muggle weapons was pretty silly...
surreal portal
I hope you like high peril sfx + gfx
feral crater
Only people that abused normy weapons got nerfed. Staff users got buffed
olive ember
+2 hp and +1 wound is the go to for me
arctic rampart
With slower quell you also don't get much value out of quietude any more. The pa...
It completely removes at least one whole playstyle. You can melee, if there is anything still alive after you've stood around like an idiot and quelling for 4-5 seconds behind your teams.
olive ember
I mean it really isn’t that bad
austere estuary
spice veldt
it only takes that long if you're quelling from 100% to 0%
arctic rampart
With slower quell you also don't get much value out of quietude any more. The pa...
Yeah quietitude is dead.
spice veldt
quell as much as you need, and keep in mind that quelling slows down from 30% to 0%
olive ember
But maybe it’s because I’ve ran FS + surge so I’m used to quick bursts of active quell
Nah quietude is still good
I’ve used it fine now with FS and surge
feral crater
Also the shop buff is huge for psykers
arctic rampart
I mean it really isn’t that bad
It depends on how you play. It has certainly completely removed my playstyle from the game.
olive ember
Fair and yeah it sucks but it def isn’t “dead” people are just going to have to adjust
maiden wolf
It depends on how you play. It has certainly completely removed my playstyle fro...
Likewise
slow karma
Find a new one
austere estuary
man I am loving finally being able to extract all these lvl 4 blessings
olive ember
Like how I had to adjust when they nerfed peril blocking and deflector ;-;
surreal portal
Makes me happier I'm leveling up an ogryn, hah.
austere estuary
from a trash axe
olive ember
I still haven’t fully recovered
arctic rampart
Find a new one
Much helpful, thanks. 🙄
spice veldt
the only t4 blessing I have on force sword is precog >:(
tbf, it was pretty obvious that they were going to nerf it
olive ember
I have t3 slaughterer and t3 deflector
austere estuary
t4 slaughter is the first thing I extracted 
olive ember
Pretty pog
austere estuary
was like yeah
feral crater
The imba quell and troll deamonhost tanking was silly AF. It was clearly a bug and dedication of your playstyle to it means you just like abusing bugs.
austere estuary
it's time
spice veldt
passive quelling being at a comparable speed to active quelling is not balanced
arctic rampart
passive quelling being at a comparable speed to active quelling is not balanced
Psyker isn't balanced.
austere estuary
I thought non force weapons having a niche was cool
olive ember
It really wasn’t a bug there was no indication it was a bug
austere estuary
I still used force weapons all the time
slow karma
Passive quell speed on mundane weaponry was not "clearly unintended"
slow karma
It just seemed to make a degree of sense
austere estuary
agreed
summer prairie
their niche is still not being FS
feral crater
Nope. Everyone knew it wasn't normal
olive ember
There’s plenty of cheese in every class in think jank ass game
feral crater
You just in the nile
arctic rampart
Nope. Everyone knew it wasn't normal
Completely false.
spice veldt
as intended as it was for holding the interrogator making you quell much faster
olive ember
Not really ogryn shield can shit on daemonhosts
spice veldt
climbing up ladders making you quell faster
slow karma
It's perfectly valid to be irritated at its loss. It is not valid to get hung up on it for more than an hour before you look for alternatives
austere estuary
You just in the nile
am I, someone who used FS exclusively, in denial too, because I disagree with your perspective? It's not at all a stretch to think it was intended
summer prairie
you can still play as you did
olive ember
I don’t even use non force weapons I’m just tired of this narrative of “oh well it CLEARLY was a bug it’s your fault for building a play style around it”
spice veldt
it was evidently a rough spot of the quelling mechanic
austere estuary
it fitted well mechanically and stylisticaly
what was rough about it, it's a non-force attuned weapon, it makes sense you'd be less warp-juicy compared to a warp lightning rod in your hands
olive ember
Like shit like infinite purge quell was clearly a bug, having a build which could forever tank a daemonhost wasn’t
feral crater
Not really ogryn shield can shit on daemonhosts
Psyker being compared to the dedicated tank... You are a CC/dps... Tanking isn't your job.
spice veldt
not really DPS
leaden thunder
dedicated tank
slow karma
Tell that to purge staff
leaden thunder
tho I guess that's the only use for a shieldgryn
silver pagoda
FS said they want to let you be able to have different playstyles based on build combinations
arctic rampart
It's perfectly valid to be irritated at its loss. It is not valid to get hung up...
There are no alternatives that gives the same fluid playstyle. I am either stuck using the staff way more, and/or venting far more than anyone would ever want to - or I have to change to a different staff and a completely different build and playstyle. None of which would ever come close to how I want to play Psyker, and how I have been playing it since before release.
austere estuary
I swear some of the stuff in this channel has the same energy as people in FF14 pugs telling healers off for DPSing, "it's not your joooob!"
slow karma
Psykers do plenty of dps, it's just not sustained single target dps
summer prairie
I play super aggressive melee surge
arctic rampart
FS said they want to let you be able to have different playstyles based on build...
They lied, as usual.
spice veldt
staffs and BB do not have comparable DPS to guns
summer prairie
it's the same as before
silver pagoda
so saying it's a "clear bug" you can do anything other than dps is wrong
olive ember
I swear some of the stuff in this channel has the same energy as people in FF14 ...
I had the opposite a cure mage made fun of my sprout status cuz I suggested they try using holy for once
austere estuary
Derpy
olive ember
I’m a free trial player, my “sprout” status is just for show
slow karma
"Far more than anyone would ever want to" Poor assumption, I've been doing just fine with active quelling this entire time.
spice veldt
just quell as much as you need
austere estuary
gotta love it
spice veldt
don't quell to 0%
slow karma
I understand your irritation, but we have enough negativity around here about shit we atually cannot adapt to
austere estuary
there's no point in extracting lower tier blessings atm right?
arctic rampart
I understand your irritation, but we have enough negativity around here about sh...
If it doesn't change anything about the way you play Psyker, good for you. But don't pretend to know that it's not massive and gamechanging for other playstyles.
austere estuary
if we have higher I mean
olive ember
Not that I know of
austere estuary
cool
empty wing
That is all
surreal portal
Worst case, you can just stop playing psyker, hah. I think that's probably my plan, since it seems the class is more of a very specific niche than I expected given the initially apparent options.
austere estuary
just deciding to finally sell off my horded gear
austere estuary
I grabbed loads in the past with t1-3 stuff of things I wanted
incase we'd get to combine them
looks like that's not the plan now so selling tiiime
olive ember
Worst case, you can just stop playing psyker, hah. I think that's probably my pl...
I really find it funny that each patch they’ve “fixed” certain psyker “bugs” all to the detriment of psykers
silver pagoda
still not much use for dockets though
olive ember
Oh yeah I queued into a damnation match when patch came out
It was an experience alright
Fucking plasma gun vet and revolver psyker
arctic rampart
I fully expect them to realize that Psyker staffs were actually meant to do half their current damage, next patch.
slow karma
no, you're just bitter
olive ember
Surge staff cc lock is a bug guys, your fault for revolving your play style around a bug
austere estuary
what do you mean blessing for purple?
olive ember
Next patch surge only stuns every 10 seconds
steel egret
staffs being usable for anything else than balance while moving is unintended.
austere estuary
also does warp flurry work for purg yet?
edgy hearth
what do you mean blessing for purple?
The blessing is only saved for a particular level of item from my experience. I tried to save the blessing for the max level, but it saved for the level below that
steel egret
You can now carry staff with laspistol, but staffs do no damage.
silver pagoda
warp flurry is still useless on purg and surge staves
slow karma
The blessing is only saved for a particular level of item from my experience. I ...
no that is very mot tru lol
surreal portal
You can now carry staff with laspistol, but staffs do no damage.
Howzabout that laspistol buff though!
daring nexus
Warp flurry is still broken on everything except trauma right?
surreal portal
Buff to level 1 psykers
austere estuary
voidstrike works with flurry
has done since day 1
unless this patch broke it
voidstrike does very well from it
wonder if trauma blazing works on secondary now 
leaden thunder
get fucked I guess
ornate hamlet
so i guess they nerfed the armory lol
all they've actually done is made our chances of getting BiS even more impossible 😄
surreal portal
Seems like you basically have an easier time 'getting stuff' / making rolls for gear, but getting good gear isn't necessarily higher on the net.
The idea is probably a more steady 'dopamine' drip, at least for those who aren't already near the end of the treadmill.
frank talon
Average Vet interaction
olive ember
we beat it in the end thankfully
maybe its cuz new update but for now the average damnation player is actually not bad
ornate hamlet
olive ember
I mean honestly you don't need that good gear tbh in the grand scheme of themes
I'm running like 350 base stats weapons and doin fine in damnation
its only for the min maxers who want that extra 1% damage, except unlike normal rng games theres no way to p2w kek
runic current
Hey all, wanted to know how good was focused channelling was on the surge staff, thats the blessing that makes your secondary attacks, thats talking about the shock part right, not the pea shoter?
olive ember
focused channeling just means you don't get interuppted
runic current
yes but is good tho
olive ember
its a QoL skill that personally I find redundant because I'm a pro gamer who has god level skill in the game and never get attacked
runic current
good for you
olive ember
in seriousness if you find yourself getting staggered out then its good QoL otherwise it isn't that useful
runic current
thanks lol
frank talon
so i guess they nerfed the armory lol
from the same note Hadron apparently has a higher chance of 3's and 4's, and getting to blue no longer required diamantine so just upgrade a bunch of crap to blue for blessings
olive ember
assuming you play on damnation up you want to avoid getting hit at all costs anyways since enemies chunk you, and if you aren't getting hit often then that perk isn't doing anything
ideally you want something like warp nexus for the extra crit rate I believe
and then terrifying barrage just cuz there really isn't anything better
runic current
runic current
run and gun is kinda shit on the surge
olive ember
so yeah right now the best blessing are terrifying barrage + warp nexus, warp flurry would prob be better if it worked
run and gun is shit in general
leaden thunder
t4 run and gun bis
runic current
good to know thanks
leaden thunder
run and shoot betterer
olive ember
I literally would rather have warp flurry for the placebo effect it has on me
near wyvern
run and gun is kinda shit on the surge
run and gun is kinda shit
on the surge
Fixed that statement
summer prairie
Don't think there's a T4 run&gun
leaden thunder
i have a t3 one some where
olive ember
ya know, I was thinking "run n gun would actually be pretty good on the shotgun"
turns out
the shotgun cant get run n gun
amazing
summer prairie
The rebless menu only has 3,4,4,3 blessings for surge tiers
Three T4 blessings, very sad
leaden thunder
that the new description
proud mantle
man
leaden thunder
man
olive ember
hey wait
proud mantle
i feel like as soon as i scrap my tier 1 blessings
proud mantle
they will announce combine blessings
near wyvern
I can take warp nexus off one of my spare surge staff
Yes but you can only apply that on another surge
spice veldt
i'd probably cry
olive ember
well shit
spice veldt
i'm scrapping my t1 blessings and whatnot just to collect them
near wyvern
Still worth taking tho
summer prairie
Getting blessings is easy now due to gifts and better blessings when crafting
proud mantle
i'm scrapping my t1 blessings and whatnot just to collect them
yeah, the alternate would be if combine blessings is a thing then just put the blessings on weapons and combine them
but theyd probably disable that
near wyvern
i'd probably cry
At that point it doesn't matter anymore, we will all be sitting with full T4 columns because they will get that feature out 2025
olive ember
I mean if they really wanted to make it pain
it would be like 2 t1 for a t2, 4 t2 for a t3, 8 t3 for a t4
near wyvern
it would be like 2 t1 for a t2, 4 t2 for a t3, 8 t3 for a t4
That's how I assumed it will go, and then they are single use and if you want it back you gotta surrender the weapon
But instead we got this system which is nice yes but makes 95% of the RNG weapons obsolete
If we could even surrender weapons for crafting mats that would be something
But no, only for dockets so that we can spend the time on the lottery machine looking for more of those 1% rolls with good stats and 1 good perk and blessing.
leaden pier
How's the new update siblings?
proud mantle
But no, only for dockets so that we can spend the time on the lottery machine lo...
well from what ive heard at least damnation is giving hella plasteel
near wyvern
How's the new update siblings?
It's happy news for QOL stuff, sad noises for auto quelling. Staves got a minor buff and wrack and ruin as well. Nothing big but peril tanking is gone now for good.
near wyvern
well from what ive heard at least damnation is giving hella plasteel
Yes max is 805 which is a nice boost from the previous 250
leaden pier
Yeah imma probably return to slaying hertics once new weapons or stuff comes out, but things do be looking better which is nice, from what I can tell
split oxide
recommendations? Left or Right?
near wyvern
recommendations? Left or Right?
Neither. Get a better roll.
split oxide
or not a big diff?
leaden pier
Not that much of a diff
split oxide
Why is Left bad?
austere estuary
okay so
this weapon
in t5 meatgrinder
once it gets going, just blending anything
mutie dies in two normal power swings
never mind force attack
near wyvern
343 stats, warp flurry doesn't work and terrifying barrage is overlapping with the internal mechanics of the flames (which supress without need to kill)
austere estuary
absolutely mental how strong slaughterer and superiority can get together
olive ember
Did they change something with terrifying barrage I was under the assumption that it worked well with Purge
at one point it was considered BiS
austere estuary
dogs one shot too
near wyvern
And critical hit damage does nothing for purge and infested is not needed
olive ember
you want crit chance not crit damage
since unless I was misinformed crit on purge is nice cuz it applies double stacks of burn
near wyvern
Did they change something with terrifying barrage I was under the assumption tha...
It does work but overlaps with internals thus is a bit redundant
leaden pier
Oh emotes are now a thing?
void mural
Yeah, the stack change was the biggest thing for psyker
You aren't nerfed every time you take an elevator
split oxide
How about this .. Blessings/perks are lower tho
damn .. range is still too low right?
austere estuary
what could I even rebless on this
uhh
is AB bugged in grinder?
it's not spending my charges
olive ember
wasn't when I tried it this morning
olive ember
what could I even rebless on this <:veryThink:814620530493227050>
Probably replace the warp nexus with a t4 version of it
once you find one
sly matrix
It's happy news for QOL stuff, sad noises for auto quelling. Staves got a minor ...
Is wrack and ruin a solid pick for some build now?
olive ember
lol no
its per BB hit
its still complete trash and should be avoided
everything in the damn column is garbage except warp resist
near wyvern
its per *BB* hit
No it's per BB hit against elites/specials
limber silo
Just had an idea: If you're crafting curios and don't want some dumb shit like exp boost, just refine exp boost onto your curio, then consecrate it. Then you can't get exp boost since it's already there and you can just re-refine it off again
olive ember
No it's per BB hit against elites/specials
ah yes mb mb
steel egret
What if you get Ordo after that?
near wyvern
Is wrack and ruin a solid pick for some build now?
Solid, no. But better than the alternatives for a gun payker and you can get some value out of it if you land 3 BBs in a row on a bulwark or crusher.
void mural
Is wrack and ruin a solid pick for some build now?
Lol, it'll only ever be good if they change how the soulblaze dot works to make low counts of it not worthless, or they make it do 6+ stacks
austere estuary
okay just wow
near wyvern
Just had an idea: If you're crafting curios and don't want some dumb shit like ...
You can still hit curio chance and ordo dockets
steel egret
Yup
austere estuary
that FS I posted + cd aura + force damage + warp stacks + AB not spending my warp stacks
sly matrix
Lol, it'll only ever be good if they change how the soulblaze dot works to make ...
Wonder what goes through their minds when they make these terrible and useless feats