psyker-class

[tepid sinew]

Aright good to know, time to just keep saving

[slow karma]

Yep, it's easy to notice when you know

I noticed right away with as many times as I was forced to huff that abomination's pits :V

[void mural]

So, dodge to the opposite side of their raised hand?

[slow karma]

There was a point I was expecting him to just give me a swirly and complete the jock/nerd hazing experience.

[void mural]

Haha

[dawn orchid]

Unfortunate that it dumped damage. I hear the IV claws are the best variant but thunderstrike is a pretty useless blessing generally.

[slow karma]

Yeah it doesn't shift or anything, just dodge to the left side of a charging mutie

Makes a world of difference

If you're good at dodge sliding, you CAN actually dodge left

[void mural]

Oh? I thought someone said he can raise either arm?

[dawn orchid]

Or use a dodge slide macro to do it perfectly every time, like me

[slow karma]

the slide gives you enough distance and shift to duck under the arm. I've done it once by accident lol

[dawn orchid]

Avoid the unnecessary tedium

[slow karma]

Meh, I don't even actively do it enough to pull out macros

I play so few games were macros are even ok that I can't get into the habit

[dawn orchid]

It's very helpful, I can send you mine if you want

[void mural]

I consistently do it enough with just dodge that I don't need that

[slow karma]

That's ok. I'm sure I'll learn on y own well enough.

Thanks though

[void mural]

So does he choose arms or its always the left one?

[sly matrix]

man I just played so well, almost all my team died twice and I carried on and resurrected them twice, then near the end I fell in a second because I didnt see enemies get behind me and the team died shortly after

damn, would've been really glad to get that win

[void mural]

Yeah, sometimes it comes down to carrying your team hard

Had a few games like that where I felt like if I stopped paying attention for even a moment, my teammates would find some corner to die in

[empty wing]

I have come to like autopistol gunker. That is all. I return to Zealot chat.

[empty wing]

Actually, scratch that: love

[echo turtle]

Difficulty?

[lethal folio]

I still need a t4 pinning autopistol

[echo turtle]

I find it doesn’t dps enough on T5

If theres some blessings/perks I am sleeping on I’d like to know

[echo turtle]

Mk3 vraks dps is like 2x the shredder from what I have seen

[lethal folio]

Pinning fire is mandatory 50-100% more power for minimal effort.

[echo turtle]

Kk I’ll try get one with that and make it work

that gun looks fun af

[sly matrix]

im starting to feel really confident as a Psyker tho, especially with surge + dueling sword

[void mural]

Aside from "mobility" why take a pistol?

[sly matrix]

im really glad i didnt put the class down

[leaden thunder]

fun

[void mural]

Noice!

[echo turtle]

no reason really

[empty wing]

yes but PF with the autopistol melts crowds

[leaden thunder]

real anser is being able to quikcly swap between melee and the gun

[echo turtle]

dope, Keep at it!

[empty wing]

It fun and psyker no have brauto

[lethal folio]

Because Psyker doesn't get brauto

[void mural]

Ah, that's fair I guess

[empty wing]

So brrrrrrt

[leaden thunder]

like the revolver has a .2 second swap speed

and the other pistols are close

[echo turtle]

does it hold up on T5 where chaff has more HP?

[leaden thunder]

so it's almost instant

[empty wing]

I only play damnation and hi5

So, yes

[echo turtle]

sick

[lethal folio]

Yes, Pinning Fire Autopistol is on the level of agripina brauto

[empty wing]

I should clarify

It's not amazing

But it's fun

[echo turtle]

Good enough

[void mural]

Agripina is really good?

[leaden thunder]

pinning is super carrying it

[lethal folio]

It also lets you instantly turbocharge ascendant blaze for 100% more burning.

[empty wing]

On vet maybe, but generally the abrauto is way better

[void mural]

I've not tried that one yet

[leaden thunder]

yeah

[echo turtle]

its ok

[leaden thunder]

abruato and infantry version are both very solid weapons

not a fan of the HH agri tho

[empty wing]

abrauto is cracked, the infantry is the best infantry, but it has the woirst HH by far

[echo turtle]

HH agri is I think just inferior to the vraks

psykers cant have brautos

[lethal folio]

IX HH is just sad,

[void mural]

Yeah, only agrip I've tried so far was HH, and I thought it was pretty meh

[echo turtle]

otherwise, yeah agri brauto wiuld be coo

[empty wing]

It's baaaad

[lethal folio]

so sad that the burst fire stop working when you shoot too much.

[empty wing]

Vraks III and VII are good

[echo turtle]

vraks hh is money tho

Sucks vs muties which is fine

[void mural]

Yeah, been enjoying single fire HH

[echo turtle]

GREAT vs flak and no armor

[empty wing]

And unyielding

It has really good damage vs unyielding

[echo turtle]

Good to dump into a boss as you passive quell

solid dps

[void mural]

Yeah, mine has +20% vs unyielding and flak, I love it

[lethal folio]

It is very good at killing bulwarks and reapers. burst to open up the shield then dink the heads.

[empty wing]

yup!

[echo turtle]

Yeah its solid for that

[void mural]

Great for horde clear too

[echo turtle]

just dump into a crowd

[void mural]

Plenty if ammo for it imo

Yeah

[echo turtle]

I never hve a ammo problem with them

[empty wing]

If you get any power blessing, it cleaves acceptably

[void mural]

I trigger voicelines for it nearly every time I do

[echo turtle]

mine hs ghost and the supression one

seems good

not sure if they do much ever tho

[lethal folio]

Ghost is great.

[echo turtle]

well, in theory

if it happens to be procced when you would take a hit

I wish there was a visual indicator for when it actually does something

[fluid knot]

Thought you'd have the common sense to leave by now, or do the spark'eads not know you use an aimbot?

PSA; dont trust a damn word that comes out of Tyr's mouth, he's a stinky cheater

[woeful spruce]

Best Perk for this? (Locked Perk bricked)

[empty wing]

The meme that never dies

[lethal folio]

Probably rampage

[digital loom]

https://tenor.com/view/nice-click-nice-man-guy-gif-21933845

[fluid knot]

Literally, because he wont go away, like a bad dog fart

[woeful spruce]

Should I go Crit or Crit Damage perhaps? Idk what to go with

[empty wing]

Crit damage is almost always terrible (in fact, I think it is just always terrible, but I try and avoid sweeping statements)

[woeful spruce]

Got'cha

[void arch]

Why do I keep seeing the dueling sword used over the force sword?

[fluid knot]

Damage output

[void arch]

Is it better?

[fluid knot]

Yeah in terms of actually killing stuff

Force sword is like the Psyker's Rumbler, loads of utility, but not great killing power

[void arch]

The force sword is a literal lightsaber tho lol

Interesting I’ll keep an eye out for one

[twilit flicker]

Great for blocking bullets and killing small grouos of enemies. Special attack is awesome. It really is a utility knife but a sword.

[fluid knot]

Its a bit sad it doesnt last for more than one hit if im honest, Vet gets the powersword which has 5s of uptime, and the Psyker could really fuckin use something like that

[woeful spruce]

For real

[empty wing]

the force sword empower is just a rev from a chain weapon

But with more stagger

[fluid knot]

Basically yeah, not far off at all

Be nice if it lasted as long as peril was applied though or some suck gimmick

[echo turtle]

• maniac imo

[fluid knot]

Have it make the peril tick down faster, an give it more uptime, be a big win

[empty wing]

Honestly, I wish holding onto peril was easier

It's so hard to gain and so easy to lose >:c

[woeful spruce]

Thanks!

[fluid knot]

Idk about that.. but then i do run purga atm

[empty wing]

Oh, I do not use staves

[echo turtle]

Dueling sword has much further dodges, way more damage, super fast passive quell

[fluid knot]

I didnt for the longest time, but im having fun with bleed/soulblaze combo

[empty wing]

I hear you but gun

[fluid knot]

Oh yeah gun is still super good, but eh, i needed a change

After the last game, a change of undies

[echo turtle]

the only reason you want to dot with soulblaze stacks is if are trying ti increase your staff damage. Otherwise you are spinning your wheels

Obviously except for when you are using the nova to clear chaff and you have sufficient stacks

[fluid knot]

Use soulblaze to stack DoTs, stab the burning stuff with knife, big win

[empty wing]

This is dumb. I love it

[fluid knot]

Its quite fun, super aggressive which is well outside the norm for a Psyker

[empty wing]

Why not megadot psyker? All in on memes

soulblaze, infernus, bleed

[fluid knot]

Hmmmmmm

[empty wing]

Terrible? Yes.

Funny? Very.

[leaden thunder]

laspistol

[fluid knot]

Actually im not even gonna lie man, its not terrible at all with purga an bleed on knife, weird? certainly, but really quite decent

[echo turtle]

Well, the dots deal little to no damage so….

[fluid knot]

Everything is super squishy an dies real fast, good for support

[empty wing]

https://tenor.com/view/more-dots-gif-10004432

[echo turtle]

and you cant even see them work/not work

[leaden thunder]

dots end up dealling a lot when stacked

they stack exponentially

exepct bleed

bleed kinda sucks against anything not unyielding

[echo turtle]

the act of stacking then tends to kill whatever its on already

[empty wing]

Yes, however.

Dots.

[echo turtle]

If you could watch the damage ticks that would be a lot better. it’s just a bad strategy

[empty wing]

Ok, but dots.

[echo turtle]

the primary benefit of soul blaze stacks is how it affects your staff damage

[long osprey]

I used them as a « oh shit button » to instantly clear a wave

Or gunners

[digital loom]

oh yeah

https://tenor.com/view/doctor-david-livesey-david-livesey-doctor-livesey-chad-rom-and-skull-gif-26497072

[twilit flicker]

If only the rating was 10 points higher.

https://tenor.com/view/petty-parker-smoke-snoop-dogg-homer-simpson-disappear-gif-17093677

[fluid knot]

Is good for Surge?

I figured crit bonus would be dump stat

[near gale]

I am at least 80% sure that charge rate is the dump stat

but that's not bad

asside from that 1st blessing

[rare furnace]

So I have this two

Do I continue the axe or try furling

🤺

Duelling

[empty wing]

As someone who has used Force Staff a singular time while levelling I can say without a doubt that crit is the dump stat

nodnod

[fluid knot]

A thankin ye

[empty wing]

I meant surge staff

I do not know what the staves mean or do, tbh

[floral solstice]

trauma is donut frag grenade

voidstrike are small donuts but hurled at enemy

purgatus is flamer but im on the donut analogy train, so donut

[fluid knot]

I would like to find a trauma with zero blast radius ngl.. that way it doesnt piss off the Oggy's an Zealots in melee

[floral solstice]

honestly when i play zealot it only bothers me when i run evisc

because sometimes it griefs my savage sweep

otherwise yeeting elites feels helpful to me

[empty wing]

the annoyance as a zealot with stuff liek that is shooters

who leave melee engagement range

[leaden thunder]

I also don't get annoyed that much with throwing enemies around

[empty wing]

and start dakka dakka dakkaing immediately

[leaden thunder]

execpt yeah shooters

as long as they aren't hitting me idc

but if it makes them hit me easier then Ihave an issue

[arctic rampart]

When you have teammates that are capable at melee, the trick is to aim the trauma behind the enemies they are engaging, and take out the next wave, not the one they are currently engaging. Not always possible though, of course.

[empty wing]

this requires more think than gun

me no use stick

[arctic rampart]

I also seem to save a lot of people from being surrounded, who were unaware they were about to be surrounded.

[floral solstice]

yeah on theory you dont have to blast stuff at front if your melees can deal with them

if i was the trauma guy i'd aim behind or start barrage

[arctic rampart]

Yeah I aim deeper into the horde. Unless I have noticed the frontline being... not so awesome, then I blow it up on top of them to make life easier for them.

[floral solstice]

imma switch to trauma and try it out more when i get a good one

[arctic rampart]

You really do need a good one, though.

[leaden thunder]

I like truma

[floral solstice]

been using surge+purge for over a hundred hours now, safe to say im comfortable with them

[arctic rampart]

It's one of the items in the game that really needs a good roll on several stats.

Peril resist is the only real dump stat, tbh, because it makes so little difference.

And I suppose quell speed is also not the most important.

[leaden thunder]

380 with 80 in all stats but that

please

[arctic rampart]

Unlike a lot of weapons, the difference between 60-80% in charge time, damage, and blast radius is pretty massive.

[timid storm]

Sucks that 100% weapons are impossible to get

[leaden thunder]

for now

if/when we get red weapons we may see it

[timid storm]

Did they have plans to add that?

Id imagine it it was planned, theyd add it with this upcoming patch

[leaden thunder]

we don't actually know but it's speculated

nah red weapons are probably way off

[timid storm]

What are red weapons?

[leaden thunder]

red is like next teir after gold

[timid storm]

Huh

[leaden thunder]

they where added later in vt I think

[timid storm]

Cant they jusy add it without the extra tier?

[cold geode]

its the system they used in VT/VT2

[timid storm]

Add upgrading I mean

[cold geode]

gray/green/blue/orange/red

we dont have red yet, presumably because they are going to add more difficulty tiers later that need better weapons

[timid storm]

It would be nice if they added like weapon merging, since they insist on rng. Sacrifice one weapon, and pass a single stat to your current one

[high agate]

Red weapons were god-tier rolls that came with the highest %s possible.
For most of Vermintides life they were less than a 1% drop rate to get. Eventually you could craft them by dismantling tons of lower weapons

They also had cool ass unique skins

[timid storm]

Ohh, did they come with blessings and stuff too?

[leaden thunder]

they had the equivalent

[timid storm]

Because right now, those qeapons already have perks and blessing

Kinda sucks

[leaden thunder]

gold weapons had "blessings" as well

[timid storm]

Yeah, imagine getting a red with a blessing you dont like

Gg

Honestly perks still being random, and blessings getting locked sucks

[leaden thunder]

yeah

but we are moving in the right direction

by a lot

[timid storm]

I like random shops, but random crafting is annoying, especially when you cant just recraft smth bc it gets locked

[long wharf]

locked ruined

[rare furnace]

So wait we gonna get weapon with their blessing?

Extra

[floral solstice]

"next week" actually happening in a couple of hours

am i dreaming

[quasi hare]

would you purg pros consider this a pretty epic roll ?

[pine relic]

So level 4 Wrap Nexus does exist.

[cold mesa]

worth getting?

[pine relic]

No

[cold geode]

re-roll crit to flak i think?

[pine relic]

I just realized that staff has 521 rating

[fluid knot]

Heh look at that, another blessing you never see, ever, in any case

[cold geode]

wow

[fluid knot]

Yeah i legit might have to grind that one out

I dont have the melk-tokens atm, but i can get em

[echo turtle]

thats not very good

[dusty zenith]

what if you meme it with slaughterer and ascendant blaze build?

[echo turtle]

still bad lol

[long orchid]

What's the best perks to reroll for a trauma staff.

[undone badge]

I always wondered why perks like "run and gun" or such have tiers. seems redundant.

[slow karma]

Min/max padding

Gives most things an optimal roll to chase

Despite peoples' general disdain for a gear progression grind, they've clearly wanted to try leaning more into that with Darktide

[half iron]

“number go up” is such a good design it must be part of every game ever

[slow karma]

It does when you're always online

But it's also a subjective appeal.

There's enough of a crowd for it to have a draw. It doesn't have to be used as a retention tactic.

It just kind of happens to be one.

[ornate hamlet]

yes, this is very good.
it's only a 3 diamond perk but still very good

have you upgraded it yet?

( i bet you get run n gun )

[slow karma]

I swear to Him on Terra, the vet chat has not once been on-topic since the start of the server.

[restive slate]

I stopped visiting Vet Chat ever since it's just memes and frog images

[lofty mica]

All the damn frogs man

[devout axle]

Actually unhinged.

[restive slate]

Might as well make a frogs dedicated channel haha

[limber silo]

Those are some juicy perks on a Surge. If red weapons are coming I'd hold onto that

[restive slate]

So is a Surge Crit build viable?

[warm lava]

so someone who thought about becoming a psyker is high quell speed good?

[limber silo]

I mean, crit is crit. Not really a build around it

[restive slate]

High quell is useful but not priority imo

[limber silo]

nice, but not necessary at all. If you have low quell on a staff, run anything but force sword

I personally see quell speed as the dump stat on all staves since I can swap to melee and auto quell

Also it lets me maintain decent melee skills so I don't become a "psyker bad at melee" meme on reddit

[cyan notch]

quell speed is good

[limber silo]

The best perk about quell speed is it lets you use Quietitude better

other than that, I don't care about it

@warm lava funnily enough, every other staff has synergy around crits. Trauma and Void can apply soulblaze via Blazing Spirit, Purgatus applies double stacks on crits, but Surge just crits more often

[vast portal]

havent been here a while i wonder if the "veterans are better than psyker" debate is still going

[limber silo]

Psyker is better at crowds than Vet, Vet is better at HVT than Psyker, is there really a debate anymore?

[pine relic]

Yeah, it's not like we get weapons like this from Melk everyday right

[limber silo]

Melk disappoints me constantly

[devout axle]

I don't trust Melk.

Man is way too chipper.

[limber silo]

I don't have a single FS or staff in my shop

[limber silo]

How is he chipper? He fucking hates me

[warm lava]

@limber silo i dont hate you that counts right

[devout axle]

"Do the Inquisition proud, I know you will!" "No? We'll drink together upon your return, then."

And other such quotes. Fucker is up to something.

[limber silo]

Of course cheesey. Melk is a scrub

[devout axle]

"Oh how I wish I could go with you."

[limber silo]

What voice did you pick? I'm a seer and he tells me I smell and am dumb

[devout axle]

Loner

[limber silo]

"Do tell me if you need the longer words explained," "Ugh, you again." "Must you stand so close?"

hate the turd

Although my favorite line from him is, "I am a lodestone for blockheads today."

[pine relic]

He likes agitator zealot

You remind me of my youth

[restive slate]

Ogryn comes along, "Must you stand so close? I can smell your... enviable aroma."

Somewhere along those lines

[ornate hamlet]

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mcn332SHfF1rtc9of.gif

[limber silo]

Anyone hyped for a potential psyker tank job? The Protectorate?

I want daemonhammers and the freaking psyker greatsword

[lofty mica]

A yoked out psyker

[limber silo]

Nah, just a big ole force field

But a Ogryker would be hilarious

[restive slate]

Cast force field on allies. Saltzpyre Priest 2.0

[limber silo]

Sounds like something they'd do

Instead of SIGMMAAAARRRRR we'd say "BELOVED GUIDE ME"

[forest coral]

TWO IMPERIAL REGIMENTS WERE LOST AT LOGGERS BRIDGE, FANATIC? FANATIIIIC

[devout axle]

As a zealous enjoyer of Warrior Priest of Sigmar in VT2, I would be very okay with this.

[cyan notch]

wp sucks lmao

[slow karma]

I need to roll my 380 surge staff, what do you want on it?

Hell I'd rather like a surge build cuz I'm not sure I've ever seen one

[forest coral]

Run quietetude and kinetic barrage, also something that can deal with hordes as a melee or force sword if u know how to work it.

Rest is pretty optional

[cyan notch]

i like crit chance and warp nexus

[forest coral]

Flak damage is also very nice on surge staff

Can wreck flak shotgunners very reliably

[cold geode]

yea, i rerolled to 25% flak on my staff and its been smacking them down like flies

[candid shoal]

how does one get the malleus monstronum? that seems almost impossible to acquire

[cold geode]

ogryn with shield + daemon host and two people running interference on adds

[fierce sinew]

you either find a group specifically to get it done (ogryn tanking daemonhost is a popular strategy) or you politely ask your matchmade group before the game to let you solo any monstrosity that spawns

[candid shoal]

That makes alot of sense

thank you all 😄

[stuck sinew]

First match with a monster spawn where I just asked if the randoms could let me do it I got it

[pine relic]

Every time I use surge staff I ended up fall asleep at the end of the mission.

[slow karma]

It's not for everyone

It's a supporty style of play

But I dig that

[pine relic]

It's very safe but can still make impact.

[forest coral]

I love it with players i know or in vc

its just horrendous to play with randoms who dont work as a team and run off to die alone somewhere

or teams that dont do enough damage

[cloud sequoia]

trauma ftw

[pine relic]

I hate trauma. it hurts my eyes

[forest coral]

it gives ur eyes trauma

[half iron]

blue fire is cute

[forest coral]

smells like bubblegum

[half iron]

my blue fire smells like febreeze with a hint of asbestos

[obtuse crypt]

team of vets saying gg after i had to carry them after they kept dying they don't get to say gg after that

[digital loom]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-running-smile-happy-kono-subarashii-sekai-ni-shukufuku-wo-gif-17677561

any trauma enjoyers here?

[forest coral]

Trauma fun

[slow karma]

I wouldn't say I enjoy my trauma but I live with it regardless

[obtuse crypt]

i like pondering the voidstrike orb

[ornate hamlet]

purg

[ornate hamlet]

lol, yeah i always just say "my back hurts" in reply to their GG when i was really carrying

i have straight up just stopped playing and stopped checking vendor for loot tho, i see no point in it at all, just waiting for updates

[light quail]

yes
Best sounding staff and I've been constantly saying it's underrated since launch

[drowsy void]

I love the Voidstrike, Trauma a good second. Channeling sticks just feel too slow for me. Need big charge followed by big boom

[obtuse crypt]

first tier three blessings i've seen on upgrading things for this pysker i made and it's this

[drowsy void]

Not gonna lie, I'm a tad jealous

[obtuse crypt]

i don't run soulblaze builds is the problem, i like my brain burst

also is the crit for the staff reliable enough to make it stack enough soulblaze to do something cause i don't know the numbers well enough?

breh my rng isn't the best, i'm sure others would enjoy the mk2 but fuck i hate this version of the dueling sword vs the others

[obtuse crypt]

Anyone know if we'll be able to move blessings from one kind of staff to another or will blessings be excluded to x type of staff?

[restive slate]

Is Blazing Spirit really strong?

[obtuse crypt]

It's super pitiful from the testing I did earlier I'm ngl, but I dont got the feats or crit chance to stack it enough gottttem

[restive slate]

Yea I probs better replace it then

[obtuse crypt]

i mean if i can get the blessing from this staff it might actually be worth something

but i dunno if it's worth grinding out the melk points for it if blessings won't go cross staves

[restive slate]

Yea they're both Equinox but I don't know if their blessings are interchangeable

[obtuse crypt]

loks like i'm waiting 2 hours to test it

[restive slate]

If yes, I'm so putting Rending Shockwave on Voidstrike

[obtuse crypt]

shit

[obtuse crypt]

let me know if that works when the update comes out though, would be some extremely valuable informationm

[restive slate]

Roger that

[fierce sinew]

pretty sure they've said blessings will be able to be put on different marks of a weapon type but not cross weapon types, for exactly that reason

different weapon types have different blessing pools

"force staff" isn't a weapon type

"trauma force staff," "voidstrike force staff" etc are

the text after the mark number

[obtuse crypt]

the agripinia headhunter blessings is gonna be usuable on vraks so why can't these since they're all different mks of staffs?

[fierce sinew]

they're not different marks of staffs

[obtuse crypt]

you can see why people would get this confused with all the other different mks of weapons if it is somehow different

[fierce sinew]

"headhunter autogun" is a weapon type

"force staff" is not

[obtuse crypt]

force staff could be a weapon type

we don't know

[fierce sinew]

it isn't

yes we do

[obtuse crypt]

where?

[fierce sinew]

the datamine where we pulled the blessing pools from for a start, but you can look at the text

the text that follows the mk[number]

[obtuse crypt]

cool

that's garbage lmfao

time to extend the rng even fucking more

[slow karma]

You'll be fine

Everyone will be

[fierce sinew]

did people seriously think they'd be able to put blessings on staves via crafting that were unobtainable before?

[obtuse crypt]

what

[slow karma]

People were expecting a lot

[fierce sinew]

the staves have different blessing polls

have you never noticed that rending shockwave only shows up on trauma

[obtuse crypt]

time to go back to vet i guess

[slow karma]

Bye

[fierce sinew]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/weapons

[obtuse crypt]

bye ❤️

[slender plaza]

why are people so damn autistic

[fierce sinew]

nobody thinks it would be more fun than me to rig their purgatus staff up with blazing spirit

I wish

[slow karma]

"Tide games aren't about gear progression"

[fierce sinew]

...but it's not going to be lmao

[slow karma]

These systems are what people are talking about when they say that

[feral crater]

I thought you said bye... My brain is bursting from your vetness

[slow karma]

And while I sorta get it, it's also asinine

?

[fierce sinew]

he was saying bye to the other guy who said bye

[slow karma]

Yeah, he's the one that bailed cuz 4 staves was too much rng for him

[fierce sinew]

well, "time to go back to vet I guess" specifically

[feral crater]

oh my bad. My brain hurt so bad from the stupidity I just read that I misread the names XD

[slow karma]

lmao

I don't fault people for not wanting to grind out blessings but like

What DO you want to grind out?

You have to pick something

You don't get it easy

Period

[slender plaza]

how about player skills

[slow karma]

Player skill doesn't sell microtransactions

[ornate hamlet]

Fatshark said they would be giving us a new subclass for each class every month

[feral crater]

[slow karma]

You're gonna be forced to engage with this game in a protracted manner or you're gonna quit

[ornate hamlet]

and people are sitting around excited that we're getting rebless lol

[slow karma]

Those are your options

[slender plaza]

i doubt they are capable of giving anything every month

[ornate hamlet]

i know, it's hillarious

[feral crater]

Go be depressed elsewhere. We are enjoying the core gameplay loop they are adding more than the bells and whistles.

[ornate hamlet]

they nerfed our class by like 50% of it's original strength comparing beta to release, and then they give us back like 10% of our original strength and all the psykers get all excited like "YEAH! we're not gonna be shitclass anymore!"

[slender plaza]

at first i got better with just general player skill
then i got better at playing each class
then i got better at navigating and kiting in each map
now theres nothing

[slow karma]

Sounds like you played too much

[ornate hamlet]

fatshark said they were going to give us a new subclass for each class every month, and here we are months later getting rebless lol.. and people are like "yeah! rebless! YES!"

[fierce sinew]

I'm sure there are some percentage of players who just want the in mission experience and don't give a fuck about progression of any kind

[slow karma]

Plenty of them, yes. But my god are they crying so loudly.

The in-mission experience is fine.

[fierce sinew]

that's really the thing, it's fine if it isn't the game you want it to be

[slow karma]

But they fucked up just about everything else

[ornate hamlet]

lol and what might that be?

[slender plaza]

personally i would care about crafting a lot more if the blessing are fun and unique like borderlands for example

[slow karma]

And now that they need to fix it, well, you're not preoccupying yourselves more pleasingly, you're just stinking up the air in here

[slender plaza]

but nah you get limbslitter and 8% faster reload after sliding

[ornate hamlet]

while i agree with what you're saying, i do not agree with your choice of example

borderlands was an INCREDIBLY unbalanced mess

[fierce sinew]

limbsplitter is actually great

[slow karma]

It depends on the weapon and playstyle

[ornate hamlet]

for certain wep only

[fierce sinew]

exactly

it's a really good design

[slow karma]

you can make it work, but it gimps some weapons

[slender plaza]

yes but it was a casual pve game and nobody should care about balance in that kind of game lmao

[ornate hamlet]

right, and that's my issue with it

[slow karma]

I'd agree if people weren't so....passionate about their personal preferences

[slender plaza]

besides you know that wasnt the point i was focused on

[slow karma]

See there's nothing wrong with that as a design

[fierce sinew]

it's BiS in some setups and garbage on others, which is a good range to cover

[slow karma]

the problem is the options you get aren't very many

[ornate hamlet]

i PVP'd in that game

[slow karma]

Once we get more weapons with better push attacks to spam, limbsplitter will have more of a place

There's a lot of small points about things that could make stuff feel better than it does even in its current state

[feral crater]

OWWWW my head hurts again!

[fierce sinew]

animation cancels and macros also make excellent use of it

[slow karma]

I'd rather not balance a game around outside tools

[fierce sinew]

anything that has variable reward for the player on the basis of mechanical execution or technical workaround is okay by me

[ornate hamlet]

there's really no need for macros in darktide

[slow karma]

No need, sure, but quality of life is a big deal for some

Some stuff is clumsy to pull off

[ornate hamlet]

i mean, are you using slide macros or what

[fierce sinew]

yeah, not every blessing needs to be for ever player

[slow karma]

I'm not, I just don't care enough

[ornate hamlet]

i can't think of anything i'd feel like i need to macro

[slow karma]

but I did see someone mention that easlier

[fierce sinew]

I'm glad there's stuff like that available

[slender plaza]

the fact that animation cancel is a huge part of advanced gameplay says something imo

[fierce sinew]

"good if you put in the work" is design space a lot of player enjoy

[slow karma]

and what does it say?

[slender plaza]

that devs fail to implement something natural within the game and instead implicitly incentivize players to use macros

[fierce sinew]

given that it's been that way for the entire series, I think it says the devs are at least fine with it, and possibly more approving than that

[slow karma]

That's a bit broad-base but you're not wrong

Not here, anyway lol

Animation cancels aren't* often intentional

They mostly a product of animation systems on a baseline level and just sorta happen

[ornate hamlet]

i mean what are you specifically referring to when you talk about animation cancelling

[slow karma]

First thing that comes to mind is staff auto/quell cancelling

[obtuse crypt]

i'm back from malding i'm just annoyed at the weird staff blessings

[fierce sinew]

they're frequently emergent features, but in the patch era of games the distinction between emergent and intended fades as time passes

they haven't gone after them yet

[slender plaza]

its a classic case of not a bug but a feature because we are too lazy to improve
like if it existed for one game i would have been fine but nah they just said fuck it its a core feature for tide series now

[slow karma]

Yeah because it's a deeper system that isn't that simple to rework

I wouldn't bother with it either

It's not a huge deal either, it wont make or break your game balance except in exteme cases

=and it gives people something to practice as a player skill

So it does far more good than harm, imo

[slender plaza]

no but thats their attitude at making the game and you can see it rippling to everything else

[fierce sinew]

I think that's really the thing that matters, nobody is breaking anybody else's game animation canceling with limbsplitter

[slow karma]

I wouldn't be so fast to call them "lazy" in general. They're just bad at what they do

[fierce sinew]

we're just out here doing slightly better damage at the expense of my mouse buttons

[slow karma]

They can make fun gameplay but their systems and progression ideas are booty butt cheeks

[ornate hamlet]

agreed

[slow karma]

They drop the ball on things so constantly, you'd think they were at basketball practice.

[fierce sinew]

in their defense, the progression systems are also the things getting the most attention for changes now

so they're at least aware

belatedly

[slow karma]

And while I do not give FS a pass in this regard, understanding that they're such hacks keeps me grounded

And being grounded gives me more patience than most to wait for them to unfuck their shit

They're the one's sweating over this, not us.

So the onus of improvement is on them.

I'm just here to JUDGE THEM

[ornate hamlet]

Ok now build your Psyker Feats around this Ripper

[digital loom]

oh i misclicked

ogryn has big fingers you must understand

[ornate hamlet]

I understand, fellow abhuman

[restive slate]

Are Psykers mutants or abhumans

[slow karma]

Answer: Yes

[plucky perch]

abhumans, if theyre sanctioned, mutants if they're not... i think

[slow karma]

Yeah

[slow karma]

It's a delineation thing.

[plucky perch]

so witch ever is more convient for killing and or having them killed in the moment

[slow karma]

Just like any good totalitarian regime

[restive slate]

Like the difference between a daemonhost and a santioned possessed weapon of the Inquisition... is that purity seal

[plucky perch]

i couls see imperial aligned deamons being a thing if the whole "the emporers being reflected on the warp as a god" theory ever bears fruit

[slow karma]

The concept of that intrigues and terrifies me

[plucky perch]

would explain the whole sisters powers, and the literal imortal respawnign angel saint

[slow karma]

well given the whole "Emperor of Mankind is the single most powerful psychic being to ever exist" thing, I wouldn't need to go too much further past that

[plucky perch]

good point

[slow karma]

Well lemme rephrase

"The most powerful psychic human being to exist"

[restive slate]

Lesser daemons

• Legion of the Damned
  Greater Daemons
• Living Saints
  Daemon Prince
• Warp-empowered Primarchs
  (Eg Reincarnated Ferrus, 40K Corvus)

[plucky perch]

true wasnt theyre a skyrim vampire lord rip off, yes im just teasing, that was able to actively mind control multiple planets entire population across many light years?

[slow karma]

Funny how context shifts what is and isn't ok by way of daemonic possession.

[plucky perch]

yeah i forgot about the legion of the damned, isnt it straight up stated they have deamon origins some where in thier lore?

[idle bay]

Well Living Saint is a techncally demon of the Emprah

So even is something demonic - it's really matter who employs it

There are else a tricky matter with "spirits" that helps Space Wolf's Rune Priests.

And there is always the way "who asks stupid questions and pokes his nose where it not belongs becomes a corpse-starch ration"

[cold mesa]

yeah, emps don't have shit on the hive mind

[slow karma]

I gotta say, one of the coolest things about this universe is the concept of the mind being such a powerful thing

[brisk panther]

ready for patch

[plucky perch]

omg i think i had like 5k of plasteel and diamantine

how many hours do you have?> XD

[brisk panther]

750 😄

[plucky perch]

.... not counting closed beta?

[brisk panther]

correct, only open beta

[plucky perch]

so pulled out a calculator

youve been playing this game as if it were a 7 day a week job

are.. are you ok?

do.. they have your family? blink twice if theres lives on the line

[void arch]

Rate my staff

[plucky perch]

368/380

[void arch]

That’s the most accurate rating

[spice veldt]

a 9.6842105263 out of 10 from me

[plucky perch]

9.7/10 would mobile electric chair again

[brisk panther]

yep, thanks for asking! i was "lucky enough" that my 6 week surgery recovery timed well with the game release. also i work from home 😛

[slow karma]

To be fair, if I had the energy I did in my early 20s, I'd be going hard on this game too

It really is that fun to play

[plucky perch]

i might tease but im only slighter better at a little over 190 active hours ith 0 afking or store idling

most of witch is prebuff truama staff

als also, yeah this game core loop of mission to mision and endless combat is down right addicting

[plucky perch]

whats the OPOSITE of a gmabling problem

yall got that

[olive ember]

yeah so

non existent sleep schedule it 4 AM

when darktide update coming out?

[plucky perch]

4 pm

the a was obviously a type

[safe crystal]

They're Swedish, so they got the AM and PM mixed. In 12 hours, surely

[olive ember]

Next12HoursTM

kekw

[safe crystal]

[plucky perch]

no no wait it IS due at 4am.. but not est, but iwt, in warp time

[fervent dome]

hi, can someone help me with pick n mix penance?

[olive ember]

Oh jeez I just looked at general chat

It’s like a war zone lmao

[plucky perch]

@fervent dome cought up rl so cant help. but i sugest kinnetic barrage and heresy+

[safe crystal]

General is literally twitch chat right now, as per usual

[plucky perch]

cast a couple of brain bursts for your first kill

quell

[feral crater]

Hedge said go play Sudoku. Problem solved guys.

[plucky perch]

with ult

then pop

[spice veldt]

if people aren't on to help, I recommend commsplex because the midevent spams gunners and shotgunners

[safe crystal]

I mean, at least Sudoku is more complete

[feral crater]

And it's already fully released with a lot of DLC's and mods...

[olive ember]

I’m debating between grinding darktide tmrw

[plucky perch]

sudoku does not let my impode a small mob of zombies by throwing a tanrum and slamming a stick on the ground

[olive ember]

Or grinding anomaly rank in mhr

Both are grindy af lmao

[slender plaza]

imagine being late at work and your boss calls
"bruh go play sudoku"

[olive ember]

I guess I’ll see what they did to psyker

And then decide from there

[slender plaza]

you shut your whore mouth

[spice veldt]

I'm on hopium for a new force staff

give me something that's not CC

[olive ember]

Lmao

That’s hard cope

[spice veldt]

aaaaaaaaa

i'll take a new FS mark

[slender plaza]

homing force missile staff

[olive ember]

Meanwhile I’m on hopium that they give FS it’s deflector shenanigans back

[plucky perch]

ooh i 100% think well get at least a handfull more force staffs, just not ith this update

[olive ember]

So what happens when they nerf psyker peril management again 🤔

[spice veldt]

they're certainly not finished with psyker's arsenal

[olive ember]

I think people been using purge staff too much think that’s gonna get nerfed

[slender plaza]

doubt purg will get nerfed

[olive ember]

Any bets? Kek

[plucky perch]

would rather the other staffs get brought up to purge staff versatility then purge staff brought down

[safe crystal]

Reduced stagger, increased peril generation

[spice veldt]

i think of purg/flamethrower as a pre-nerf power sword

infinite cleave

[slender plaza]

flamer is so much stronger than purg

[spice veldt]

mostly because of the range and zealot anti-armor

[slender plaza]

purg has quick switching and no ammo consumption but everything else is meh

[olive ember]

Oh yeah wonder if that interaction will be removed

The zealot armor strip ult

[plucky perch]

true, but as staffs go its spamable the range is enough to deal with gunners in lot of corridors maps and even some of the more open rooms, it melts everything except carapace. and its stupidly easy to use effectively

[olive ember]

Now the real question

How many buffs you think vets gonna get

[spice veldt]

maybe they'll improve their stamina regen delay

i personally think that 1.25s seems a bit much

[plucky perch]

with the biggest difrence between it and a flamer being literarly infinite ammo and a 4 or 5 second reload veruses the flamers three and a half or so

[slender plaza]

doesnt supress shorgunner and ragers. wouldnt call 15m good range to cover shooters

[safe crystal]

Purgatus max range is 15m-16m, it cant really do much in open maps (where 30m AB shouts do the trick instead)

[feral crater]

Sienna 4th class or feed!

[slender plaza]

feed

[plucky perch]

admited it was good in most corridors and SOME open rooms. for the longer sightlines even a zealouts 24 meter range will some times faull short

thjough dont get me wrong i 100% think all of our staffs need some love

cept maybe void strike?

[slender plaza]

lmao void strike needs love the most

[spice veldt]

a better primary for surge/equinox would probably make the staffs feel better

[safe crystal]

I honestly think purgatus is good as is, the others have something that could be better

[spice veldt]

i think their secondaries are otherwise fine

[slender plaza]

yeah purg is fine. could use a bit range buff imo but overall its in a good place

[plucky perch]

i would love a unique primary for every staff honestly, somehting as unique as sienas staff primary selection

[olive ember]

Imagine needing to debate about purge vs flamer

This message sponsored by surge staff gang

[plucky perch]

oooh admitedly the buff i think purgutus needs is less to the staff and more to soul blaze

[spice veldt]

trauma staff users on their way to debate with surge mains

[plucky perch]

as in the dot not auto decaysing off completely after 2 seconds on a monstrosities

[slender plaza]

just ask trauma gang if they can aim past stairs

[olive ember]

Ask trauma gang what they going to do to the double mutants

[safe crystal]

Surge could use something like a higher crit rate to go along with the crit bonus of the stave, and a more interesting primary

[spice veldt]

the better question is if we can aim on stairs 😭

[plucky perch]

hey we can aim past stairs we just arent looking up hard enough!

[near wyvern]

You don't.

[safe crystal]

Trauma is the only staff that can make fireworks if you aim straight up

Therefore its the best staff

[near wyvern]

You aim at the top of you aim at the bottom. There is nothing between. Unless there is a solid platform.

[olive ember]

FS buffs hopium FS buffs hopium

[slender plaza]

i would play trauma so much more if the ground targeting is less jank

[olive ember]

I haven’t used trauma since CBT

Kek

[spice veldt]

i think FS is fine as a single-target specialized weapon, but it relies so much on good stat rolls and blessings (Slaughterer, Deflector, Uncanny Strike, Unstable power)

[plucky perch]

would 100% prefer it if aiming directly at the ground or at enemies moved the aoe acordingly so we could actualy hit things on a foot tall ledge

[safe crystal]

I have a bunch of good traumas just waiting for me to slap the +8 rending blessing on them

[near wyvern]

But the targeting with trauma on stairs is a bit problematic. You want to be able to aim at the stairs but you also want to be able to aim through the stairs at times. Depending on how the collision checks are coded it can be hard to detect the spacings in the stairs. Not impossible but it can be tricky.

Then even of they fix it, it means depending on your viewing angle it might be impossible for you to target through them and even a slight bump on you will make your cast go somewhere else.

[spice veldt]

trauma aiming system is nice, but it's not built for the map design that this game has (or the damn stairs)

trauma accessible ramps when?

[plucky perch]

ooh i didnt say aiming it was hard, infact it can be fun, but it is undiniably currently borked

[near wyvern]

It's a bit odd but you will get used to it. Looking a lot with the bottom of your screen 😅

[spice veldt]

i'm so used to it that I don't find it unusual that I have to stare at the sky to target a far-away enemy

[slender plaza]

force sword is hmm not even that good at single target damage imo

[plucky perch]

ahh yes the max range trauam explosion or the "im looking at your hair line so i THINK this is udner your feet hold still"

[forest coral]

trauma and stairs or vertical variations

[near wyvern]

But Trauma is the only staff where you can hit enemies you can't see, like over an edge.

[spice veldt]

trauma can also kill enemies that are stuck in closets for whatever reason

[brisk panther]

false. also surge and void does this

[safe crystal]

I got used to aiming this shit in VT2 with Sienna's consecration staff

[forest coral]

conflagration was so goate

[slender plaza]

cries in purg that cant go through fences or railings

[near wyvern]

That's incorrect. Void will blow up on that edge and not continue. Surge will require LOS to begin the cast.

[olive ember]

Sienna was my least favorite to play in VT2 yet I am a psyker main

[plucky perch]

the ground explosion that also applies a solid chunk of fire dot?

[olive ember]

Conclusion is I hate beam staff kek

[plucky perch]

or the fire funnel?

[spice veldt]

mostly for the special; it's easy to use. Just activate it and you stun melee elites. The normal combo is rather interesting because of the 2nd light and 3rd light.

[near wyvern]

I am talking about you being near an edge, not an enemy behind a box

[slow karma]

Hedge is typing

[spice veldt]

uncanny strike makes the 3rd light worthwhile against carapace

[slow karma]

it's habbbeningggg

[safe crystal]

Wasnt exactly my favourite either, i was a Saltz/Krubah player, i just like yelling at enemies

[slow karma]

Odd timing to go check the news channel though lmao

[brisk panther]

what are you talking about? 😛 aim a pixel above the cover an enemy is hiding behind and the voidball will HS them. ive like 250+ damnation games with void. even works on vertical covers if you aim on the side

[near wyvern]

He will type "sorry applying the patch was immeasurably complex, can't do it today"

[plucky perch]

admitedly i dont think the force sword is over whelming outside of its special, but i do find it very easy and versatile heading in a decent enough arc to help clear hoards, but fast at the same time and with great weak spot damage

void strike racks up such easy head shots even blind firing into a horde XD

[slow karma]

Oh no he says it's on the way but shit's slow

[olive ember]

I played a cog hammer + trollhammer IB so yeah lots of spam m1 funny

[near wyvern]

@brisk panther

[plucky perch]

had a zealout get absolutely MAD at the void strike when ever it cleaved through a horde near him. seemingly because he didnt like the explosion vfx and.. aparently cause you were suposed to leave hordes purely to the melle crew

[slow karma]

Fuck them

I will be doing damage all I please thank you very much lol

[safe crystal]

Thats a problem for him, not you. Should've killed them faster

[near wyvern]

Voidstrike is good, the only thing where it falls of is damnation hi intensity if your team does not have a power maul

[plucky perch]

yeah the cleave if i remember right, while insane, is not invfinite

though didnt they retool it slightly so that the ending aoe blast actual killed in a decent epicenter?

[brisk panther]

meh, almost none of our high intensity grim runs have a power maul. no problems

[near wyvern]

Well, it's not enough to carry pugs

Anything goes with a coordinated team

[slender plaza]

zealot when they need to heal getting their passive triggered:@#(&^&#*($

[near wyvern]

I have even played a damnation hi with revolver & FS

[brisk panther]

maybe not carry. but enough to clutch :p

[near wyvern]

I was quite useless but we all played together which ultimately is the only thing that matters

[plucky perch]

@slender plaza im 100% aware of that and would have stoppedand not minded if that were the case. this was only on malice and they were full health or less then one wound before rage quitting 2/3rds through even after i stopped firing any where near them

[slender plaza]

lmao. and btw i wasnt blaming ya

[slow karma]

That sounds like straight up mental illness

no cap

[safe crystal]

We call that a skissue on the zealots part, his problem, not yours

[near wyvern]

Hedge said they started the patching process 60 mins ago and will update when it goes through. Told you it was immeasurably complex.

[plucky perch]

just like i dont target shooters when a competent vet pops his ult since almost all of them runn THAT feat

[slender plaza]

the inconsistency of getting that heal is why i stopped using that feat in pubs on my zealot

[olive ember]

I almost wished the surge staff VFX was still around just so I could screw with my teammates

[plucky perch]

ahh its window is only 5 seconds right?

for the heal on death imunity?

[slow karma]

I mean hey, they're doing it all the same lol

[near wyvern]

No. Some people can actually get seizures for that kind of stuff so it's not funny.

[slender plaza]

iirc yes. and if you have no mobs right next to you to heal then you fucked lmao

[safe crystal]

You can also full heal yourself with thammer by killing one enemy with the thammer special heavy, unless they nerfed it

[olive ember]

Thought it had to be fairly specific for it to be seizure inducing

[plucky perch]

i 100% beleive that

[slender plaza]

done that. was only getting 60~70 hp consistently

[near wyvern]

Rapid flashing / distorted images are good enough for many.

[plucky perch]

ive seen a god tier zealout just charge in and repeatedly bonk crushers reapers and bulwarks on the nuggins for insta kills

with the feat

and NEVER use a healing kit or medicae

[olive ember]

Fair enough, tho idk if darktide is the game for them in general tho

[near wyvern]

Only if haymaker was more reliable

That would be funny

[slender plaza]

yeah wouldnt recommend this game to anyone who has eyesight problems

[olive ember]

I saw someone lamenting about only getting limbsplitter on their antax on Reddit

And I’m like “bruh isn’t that meta and like god tier luck”

[plucky perch]

honestly i just wish we ha a proper force weapon that, the fs is good dont get me wrong, felt as EPIC as the power weapons like the maul sword or ogrns club or heck even the evicerator

[safe crystal]

Limbsplitter is awful on most classes

[near wyvern]

If you want to push attack spam your way through then yes, otherwise no.

[spice veldt]

i dream of 2h force swords

[slender plaza]

my issue is that we only have one melee force weapon

[plucky perch]

i want a force axe nd a force glaive

wait.. force glaives were a thing right?

[near wyvern]

Limbsplitter mk V Combat Axe is only really good on a psyker, you pair it with kinetic deflection and spam away the push attack to your hearts content.

You want brutal momentum on that as well obviously

[safe crystal]

Headtaker is the really good axe blessing

[near wyvern]

My issue is that we have no force melee weapon to make any proper use of warp absorption

[olive ember]

If we cope hard enough maybe the patch is taking so long since it’s adding new subclasses

[spice veldt]

ooooh, that really gets me

[plucky perch]

if i remember right +power blessings are a universal buff to every aspect of the weapon right?

[olive ember]

inhale

[near wyvern]

This is pretty 🔥

[safe crystal]

Yep, damage, stagger and cleave

[spice veldt]

power sword gets a special that isn't sticky, but we don't and yet we have a feat that would synergize with such a special perfectly

[plucky perch]

@near wyvern what do you mean warp absorption?

[spice veldt]

it's the 2nd lvl5 feat

[olive ember]

I can see this just becoming a glorified power sword

[spice veldt]

10% toughness on warp kills

[plucky perch]

sorry forgot the feats name

[golden tartan]

It can get the zealot killed if there is a lot of shooters active, but if theres no shooters is a non issue

[olive ember]

Special to charge weapon and then stabby stab or wte

[near wyvern]

First column number 2, gain 10% toughness back on a warp kill

[golden tartan]

Oh nvm

U said it was malice

yea fuckem

[plucky perch]

a special that let us cleave or actualy do more then sticky brain burst a single target would 100% give us some bette melle survivability when running warp absorption

[spice veldt]

some people have also been talking about a melee special that inflicts soulblaze

[plucky perch]

yee i tend to run malice some of the time, heresy the most

[safe crystal]

There were some psyker throwing knives datamined at some point, imagine if it was just the knife but warp-y instead

[near wyvern]

Just make it inverted. Make it use peril for lights and heavies but then have a "regular" special chain.

[spice veldt]

rather than soulblaze being ramshackled as a blessing for any weapon that's not purg

[plucky perch]

rarely touch damnation. not because i hate a challenge but simply because im not good enough, to much of a liability to the team in tight moments

[golden tartan]

Can you do heresy?

If you can do heresy consistently, then its not a big jump up to damn

[olive ember]

I’m definitely good enough yep yep but the randos… the randos

[plucky perch]

@robust terracer with a decently high win right in pugs yes

[golden tartan]

Yea then you are basically almost there for damn

[olive ember]

curls up and cries

[golden tartan]

You can definitely damn in a premade

[safe crystal]

Heresy to damnation is 33% more health than heresy, its almost the same

[golden tartan]

It took me like a whole week to get used to heresy from malice

[safe crystal]

The biggest gap is malice to heresy

[golden tartan]

it took me like... 2 days for heresy to damn

[slender plaza]

premade damn is easy. rando on the other hand...better make sure you can consistently clutch heresy lobbies first

[golden tartan]

That being said Damnation will throw some bullshit situations at you

[safe crystal]

Patch out

[plucky perch]

@golden tartan nah i tried i can handle heresy because the big oh crap moments are slightly more managable, on damnation i simply panic to hard and die to repeated mistakes

[olive ember]

The last game of darktide which I still remember was one that I had to hard carry via deflector revive a team through malice assassination… two of the randos had damnation borders

[golden tartan]

Like torrent descent

[near wyvern]

Yeah, I have a Blazing Spirit Voidstrike. I am currently looking for a Warp Nexus Blazing Spirit Trauma just to test things out.

It doesn't help that when you land the crit and the target dies, AB cannot proc off the blaze. It is an acknowledged bug, but still...

Even if you had 30% crit chance for every cast you make, that would mean you are expected to gain a charge for 3% of the kills you make. Which is less than what psychic communion gives, per player in coherency. So it's going to be shit regardless.

[golden tartan]

Mm fair.

Damnation is kinda just refining the skills you learnt in Heresy

There are some bullshit moments in Damn though

Like 8 shotgunners

You just accept if 8 shotgunners show up you are going down lol

Not ur fault

[olive ember]

3 snipers stagger firing is def an experience

[near wyvern]

Lately the game has been loving to spawn shotgunners.

[safe crystal]

Whenever i hear the door open near me

[plucky perch]

i THINK i got the skill, but i def panic when things get super sticky and i gota clutch or hold the line for my team

[golden tartan]

Quadruple pox burster is also hilarious

rounding the corner one after the other

[spice veldt]

on a map like commsplex, shotgunners are somewhat manageable since they spawn from the back, but they will rip your team apart if you don't catch them early

[near wyvern]

Trauma says hello

[golden tartan]

You push one and get nuked by the other 3

[slender plaza]

trauma doesnt even one shot them reliably

[spice veldt]

+3 stamina curios babyyyy

[golden tartan]

On Damnation you just accept you will die sometimes to bullshit.

[near wyvern]

Yes it does.

[spice veldt]

trauma does; just charge it to a decent level and have the bursters in the epicentre

[golden tartan]

Thats why the game has a respawn mechanic

😛

[near wyvern]

Full charge on damnation is always going to pop em.

[slender plaza]

full charge

[plucky perch]

and if i get swamped solo in damnation i almost always go down even if i think im timing my dodges and fs melles well enough to keep the horde at bay eventualy i hear the warning nise of a back stab dodge only to not realise thier was a second noise slightly delayed get staggrered and then group melled into pulp

[spice veldt]

it's just hard to get them in the epicentre because we're trying to perceive depth with 2D

you don't need full charge to kill poxbursters

and if you don't charge it enough, it'll still stagger them

[near wyvern]

You should always do a full charge with trauma, unless it's a panic breather cast on your feet.

[spice veldt]

maybe to stagger melee elites without interrupting anywhere else

[safe crystal]

Its a good habit to push once in a while in between dodges, especially with the good push of FS, while in melee. Gives you breathing room to think for a bit

[near wyvern]

Skill issue. The stick pointing in the middle works fine for me.

[plucky perch]

@golden tartan maybe thats what im missing i consistently forget to use push in large hordes

[spice veldt]

preferably, you push at the same time that you dodge

so that your stamina regen delay timer doesn't get reset at two different times

not that it matters for psyker

[plucky perch]

ty for the tips btw

[near wyvern]

Whatever melee weapon you are using, you should push after like every 2-4 strikes depending on how fast it swings. Really makes a difference.

[slow karma]

Ayyyyyy it's accountbound

[near wyvern]

Try to find a combo that suits you and allows your stamina to not get emptied. Something like push -> push attack -> light light, repeat

[olive ember]

“Normalized passive venting”

[plucky perch]

and as much as the trauma is my favorite staff it flusters me to no end that it will stagger EVERY SINGLE UNIT except a mutant

[olive ember]

Uh oh

[summer prairie]

Fixed issue where ‘Kinetic Deflection’ didn’t take Peril Reductions into account.

[plucky perch]

if it could stagger muties i would be saving my team mates from a pummeling so often

[golden tartan]

Push GOOD

[olive ember]

FS cleave combo is ideally one light one heavy and then a shove or push attack

Every other weapon on psyker you can basically spam push attack constantly

[safe crystal]

Plasteel
Uprising from 195 to 205
Malice from 255 to 265
Heresy from 300 to 440
Damnation from 395 to 805

YESS

[olive ember]

805?

Uhuh alright

[floral solstice]

this is damn good

[plucky perch]

@golden tartan gonna gave to relearn melle a lil then, im used to being a vt2 iron breaker with dual hammers where you could just swing away into almost any horde on any dificulty, and for those you didnt a drake fire pistol aim attack would cleave the rest

[safe crystal]

The precog buff

Doesnt actually do anything for it

Its still bad

[golden tartan]

Theres some melee weps that can do this

but no psyker weapon can

Also psyker has AMAZING pushes due to inf stam

[slow karma]

No they did not just buff limbsplitter

[safe crystal]

Blazing Spirit:

Increased number of stacks applied per critical hit from 1 to 3.

Trauma and voidstrike woo

[plucky perch]

@golden tartan i know psyker doesnt have a melle like that but i have 250 hours of iron breaker under me so i gota reqire my brain a lil i think

[golden tartan]

Its actually really good now

[olive ember]

3 wow amazing

[golden tartan]

Esp on the weapons where you wanna Pattack spam

[plucky perch]

3 thats enough to do a whole....20 damage!

woo

bump it to 6 then were talkin XD

[slow karma]

3 is just shy of a full 4stack ascendant blaze

That's nothing to sneeze at for passive damage output

[plucky perch]

isnt 4 stack acedant blaze crap on anyhtinghigher then tier 2?

[slow karma]

Not when you paint the whole room with it

Raw numbers do not a build make

[safe crystal]

Nah, 4 stack AB still kills things, but does so much slower than 6

[plucky perch]

ooooohh

i thought the dot fell off before a 4 stack could secure a kill

my mistake

[slow karma]

Yeah you're easily thinning a horde

[plucky perch]

that actualy is solid

[olive ember]

Technically speaking on damnation you need 6 stacks but that’s assuming you are doing literally 0 damage from any other source

[slow karma]

I'm gonna want that on a voidstrike staff for sure

[plucky perch]

i shoulda tested that my self admitdly instead of taking a meta gamers opinion as fact

[slow karma]

Honestly, yes, if you're willing to

most aren't

[plucky perch]

considering i would probabaly only do damanation for challenes and fun i could see running acendant blaze instead of kentic barrage to switch things up

[summer prairie]

Wrack and ruin is on hit now

[near wyvern]

Does this mean we can re-bless as blue and then re-bless as orange again?

[clear heath]

lol get fucked muggle weapon users

[near wyvern]

Finally

[light quail]

omfgiebbfdf

[plucky perch]

wait

wrack and ruin got buffed?

[near wyvern]

😭

[plucky perch]

ooh

[cyan notch]

[plucky perch]

is it still hit on EIELITE only?

[safe crystal]

Only buffs again, who's holding ObeseMegalodon hostage?

[light quail]

yes

[plucky perch]

crap

[near wyvern]

Damn

[plucky perch]

not touchin it

[light quail]

idk but they're doing that good good

[near wyvern]

Almost got me excited

[cyan notch]

finally all the axe users get nerfed

about fuckin time

eat that slow vent

[plucky perch]

wrack and ruin could be a top tier feat if it was on ANY cast

[olive ember]

Wait so it’s on hit with anything elite enemies?

For wrack n ruin

[plucky perch]

the aoe is to small and eleites being cometely surounded enough to make it wort h while is rare even on heresy

[golden tartan]

Limbsplitter buff thou

[near wyvern]

Damnation 805 Plasteel

[cyan notch]

yea that one was much needed tbh

[olive ember]

I’m just saying the nerf won’t affect em

I did fine clearing out hordes on my slaughterer FS

If they actually needed the vent for anything more than daemonhosts then frankly I call that a skill issue

[golden tartan]

wait

Wait

Repeat after me

Autogun

[floral solstice]

does more plasteel on damnation mean we have to pick up more shit or the pickups get a higher multiplier or smth

[olive ember]

I was thinking in line of funny chain lightning surge staff

[golden tartan]

chain lightning doesnt have much ticks

[cyan notch]

i think both

they said they added pickup locations

[floral solstice]

you ingame yet blood?

[cyan notch]

nah

[floral solstice]

ahh yeah i did read that

[plucky perch]

gah admitedly i want wrack and ruin to be an on any hit skill specficly so we could spec into pure brain bursting builds spreading soul blaze consistently with wrack and ruin and acedant blaze and the other one that applies 4 stacks at max warp charges. would be such a fun unique play style to spec into

popping hordes would be worth while

also for who ever sugested auto guns, i think its no BRAINBURST hit instead of requiring the brain bust to kill

[cyan notch]

LOL

[floral solstice]

lol

[golden tartan]

Woopsie

[floral solstice]

well the patch did exceed my expectations so im letting some few crashes pass

[golden tartan]

Theres two types of patches

1. Small patches
2. Patches that cause crashes

Thats true of any game

[timid storm]

How does warp flurry work on purgatus? Does one use of the secondary trigger it, or is each stack 1 charge up?

[olive ember]

I forgot how much do we care about charge rate

[plucky perch]

VERY little

even at low numbers the charge speed isnt to bad to deal with

though, can make a difrence in how quickly youll kill a crusher

[safe crystal]

Warp flurry, uh

Doesnt work on purgatus

[olive ember]

it doesnt work on surge either

[safe crystal]

BiS blessings for purg are warp nexus and run n gun

[slender plaza]

warp derp

[olive ember]

nah you want terrifying barrage

run n gun is actual trash

[safe crystal]

HOW DARE YOU

[olive ember]

I'd rather run warp flurry for the placebo effect

[timid storm]

warp nexus???

[slender plaza]

run n gun can be useful on purg

[cold geode]

id rather eat my own teeth then get another fucking staff with run and gun

[plucky perch]

2%

[slender plaza]

i would love to have run n gun on my purg paired with dagger

[safe crystal]

Hey, it does go up to 10%! At 97 peril

[olive ember]

also

[floral solstice]

yeah it's kinda dumb

[olive ember]

yeah wrack n ruin is still complete trash

[plucky perch]

huh thought it was 2% AT max peril

[floral solstice]

but not many options on surge and purg

[olive ember]

its per BB hit

so yeah

actual trash

[slender plaza]

they actually gave ogryns a new feat. hopefully theres more things to come

considering how shitty most of the psyker feats are

[floral solstice]

next patch: deleted psyker because we have nfi how to fix psyker jk

[safe crystal]

Also, vet buffs (or at least helbore buffs)

[robust badge]

What's does Wrack and Ruin blessing do?

[floral solstice]

it's a feat

[slender plaza]

its a feet

[robust badge]

Oh duh, yeah the foot

[tulip drum]

"Normalised passive vent times for non warp-weapons, they defaulted to max speed previously. " what does this mean?

[safe crystal]

It used to be give stacks of soulblaze on enemies around an elite you brainburst kill, now its on hit, which is still bad

[robust badge]

Ah gotcha

[slender plaza]

means your passive vent when using non force melee weapons aka anything other than force sword will be just as slow

[safe crystal]

It means get fucked gun psykers

[slender plaza]

oh yeah ranged too

[tulip drum]

oh that's lame...loved running knife or duelling sword because of it

[slender plaza]

i will still be using the dagger tho