psyker-class

[still hearth]

It can actually save you corruption

[digital loom]

if we're stuck in a bad area with a horde and the ai director thinks its the perfect time to spawn several mauler patrols+pull every already spawned patrol to your area and then decides its time for 5 mutants 3 dogs 2 bomber and 2 trappers. and nobody has any breathing room. yes, popping off can help

yeah i do that too

[wet belfry]

Wouldnt that just corrupt your health?

[cyan notch]

i think thats never worth it

[uneven drift]

In that situation nothing can help you, especially explosion

[cyan notch]

staying alive is infinitely better

[still hearth]

Beast of Nurgle corrupts a lot more.

[digital loom]

sometimes all it takes is to give everyone some breathing room to turn a wipe into a win

[still hearth]

But yeah I don't think actually popping to kill something has been an alternative I've felt is reasonable.

[spice veldt]

too much trust in your teammates

i bait my teammates if I need to

[uneven drift]

5 mutants, 3 dogs and 2 trappers? What kind of breathing room we are talking? Even trauma give you more impact since it will stun everything except muties.

[digital loom]

i tell them i'm gonna do it and then tell them when i'm doing it and if they don't respond appropriately, it is what it is

[still hearth]

This is the giraffe going "observe" and blowing its head off meme moment

[digital loom]

i have experienced wipes for farl less in solo queue quickplay

[wet belfry]

You write in chat that your going to blow up?

[spice veldt]

maybe if they sent an orbital strike missile whenever we enter the explosion state

[digital loom]

no i use voice chat

why would i waste time i dont have typing

[wet belfry]

Does the ogryn pick you up and flung you into the enemy?

[digital loom]

problem with written communication is it requires the same part of your body required to play the game, and i wish i could be thrown by ogryn. if an ogryn swings an exploding psyker as a club its basically a power maul

[wet belfry]

Is this played in damnation or malice?

[spice veldt]

i've typed "be careful of ledge" when a plague ogryn spawned and we were next to a ledge; but I was too late and our ogryn met an unfortunate fate as I finished typing

[wet belfry]

Would you consider this stragety actually suitable in a high packed scenario, where the dps is low (ex two people are alive).

How would running so many wound curios affect your survivalbility outside this niche scenario?

Does warp explosion even deal enough damage to kill anything?

[digital loom]

not my survivability but survivability of others who are similarly corrupted to me but they are one wound and I am not. it helps reduce resource demand

yeah it will clear horde and knock everything else back about 8 meters

[wet belfry]

Do you use dodge slides?

[spice veldt]

at that point, I think you should just bring out the trauma staff

[digital loom]

it gives everyone an opportunity to reload

i do use trauma staff

[spice veldt]

oh nice

[digital loom]

usually it never gets that bad but there are rare occasions when the ai director is cheating

swear to the emperor hi5 lately has been spawning a monstrosity at every point

and it seems to know what its doing too

only get slugs on hallway maps, only get plague ogryn on maps with fall hazards everywhere

[wet belfry]

How does exploding help kill bosses?

[digital loom]

a really funny thing i've noticed it do is put a daemonhost at the end of some kind of bridge and then spawn a slug behind you

it doesn't

i'm just giving an example that is unrelated

[coarse dagger]

yeah the spawns are wild lately. what i really hate is spawning enemies instantly behind you. i can strand up against a wall and something will spawn in the micrometer of space left. i have even seen enemies spawn right behind teammates

[digital loom]

yeah they just teleport to you

[wet belfry]

It mostly comes down to maps

Some of them are far more brutal then others in terms of spawn locations

Worst offender is probably silo cluster.

[coarse dagger]

yeah but wtf is it with spawning them right in your back to hit you. who thought thats a good idea

[digital loom]

what i got into the habit of doing is looking behind myself before every swing so the cheating rat fuck ai is outsmarted and instead places the back mobs in the same direction as the horde

[wet belfry]

That one has actual spawn doors that are half the time just 5 meters behind you.

[spice veldt]

especially that fucking beginning section

[wet belfry]

Doors that spawn speicals no less.

[spice veldt]

claustrophobic ass stairs with backspawns

[coarse dagger]

never safe from warp fuckery

[digital loom]

so if you ever see someone who is spinning in place while they melee, its probably me

the ai director can be gamed a little bit on stuff like this

it always knows what you're doing and has certain triggeres based on that

so just like every other dumb machine you can trick it

its entirely designed around the "intended" playstyle that the devs have envisioned

[wet belfry]

Im pretty sure specials are on a sort of rng timer.

The longer the match lasts the more specials spawn.

[digital loom]

no i mean getting pox walkers in the back

[wet belfry]

Ah pox walkers in the back hapen during congreations (aka mini hordes).

[digital loom]

that will even blink into existence if the director cant figure out a way to properly spawn them behind you

with trauma staff i just walk around and shoot my feet with the secondary and it solves all problems

[wet belfry]

Hordes are also on a timer but i find their timer far more consistent then the special timer?

[spice veldt]

there are also some maps where enemies prefer taking the closets to come from behind you for some reason

[wet belfry]

It might be that specials can be slow to arrive.

[digital loom]

if you're going fast enough you can keep the specials constantly teleporting back and forth through doors

on things like dropdown points that they cant take, when you hear a mutant yelling in the distance, when he goes quiet its because he's using a door. if you drop down the moment he spawns behind you, he'll go back to whatever door he took

[wet belfry]

I do wonder also if the game has a higher chance of spawning things like specials, hordes when your moving slowly through the map.

[digital loom]

i think so

everything feels more shitty if you aren't going fast

the spawns are much more brutal

[wet belfry]

Ye sometimes the game gets bottlenecked in specials, hordes.

[digital loom]

if you get teammates that HAVE to kill every creature they see and they're using some low damage weapon like a knife, you're going to be in for some deep shit

[wet belfry]

Ive kinda just learned to deal with it.

[digital loom]

yeah, i dont blame my teammates for anything they do because i'm the one that decided to quickplay damnation

[wet belfry]

You have to if you want ever a chance of winning in damnation true duo.

[coarse dagger]

i have seen so many runs fail because people play like its F1 its crazy. i actually prefer not going to fast. its been okay so far

[spice veldt]

i just run ahead if I can because teammates like to tail you when you're searching for mats or 3 teammates are fighting off stragglers after a midevent or whatnot

[steel vapor]

tbh if you manage to blow up inside a beast of nurgle it should just insta-kill it

[leaden thunder]

oh yeah, I was specifically referring to the crit damage perk

[plucky perch]

would be top tier lol if thier was a small percentile chance for a perils of the warping psyker to spawna host, slug or ogryn

any one know presicely how long a freshly applied stack fo rending lastsa?

[leaden thunder]

depends on the weapon

iirc rending is more of a self buff that is appliedto an attack rather then a duration

[plucky perch]

traumna staff full charged special. with a rending shcokwave blessing?

[leaden thunder]

it applies to that blast specifically

[plucky perch]

rending is a persistant armour reduction

[spice veldt]

"+Rending" applies brittleness, and "Rending%" is the self-buff

very clear and intuitive, I know

[leaden thunder]

brittleness is brittleness

[plucky perch]

in particular ass oposed to britlleness rending is allows all allies to benefit

it does apply brittleness but the code is a bit difrent from what ive red

im just trying to figure out if the armour reduction is permanent for that unit or time sensitive

you can actual test this by applying rending with one weapon then switching and smacking and comparing numbers

[leaden thunder]

iirc, rending isn't even actually armor reduction

it can apply to any health type

[spice veldt]

you can also test it with the force sword's push attack because it starts doing damage if the enemy is debuffed from rending/brittleness

[leaden thunder]

just is normally only applicable to armor

[plucky perch]

'i actualy didnt realise that

[spice veldt]

force sword's 3rd light especially benefits from rending/brit

[plucky perch]

also dont know if we should pin this but it seem rending lasts right at about 5 seconds

from l;ast applied stack

tested by counting and repeat tests on a crusher in meat grinder

at least from the rending shock wave blessing on the trauma staff

[spice veldt]

that's the same conclusion that this person in this reddit post came to https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/107olbz/wtf_is_rending_brittleness_explanation/

[plucky perch]

ooh yeah he peaked into the code and saw the five second duration, ty @spice veldt was asking because ive been tagging crushers with a full charged rending shock wave then letting my allies melt them wanted to know what sort of window i would have before needing to recast

[spice veldt]

what lengths we must go to in order to understand basic game mechanics

[plucky perch]

huh also just realised the blaze bolt has no damage drop off, or at least non with in any range you can cahcieve in the meat grinder

[spice veldt]

staff LMB?

[plucky perch]

mmhmm

[leaden thunder]

I think a lot of weapons don't have fall off unless they have a ranged stat, but i'd have to check

I know las weapon even have opposite fall off

[spice veldt]

i think that might be specific to the XII?

[plucky perch]

oooh didnt realise

[spice veldt]

i've heard somewhere that the IV has the usual dmg fall off, Ia has no falloff, and XII is the inverse falloff

[leaden thunder]

at minium the xii and hellbores have it

[spice veldt]

haven't personally tested it

haven't felt the touch of a gun in a hot while

[plucky perch]

also applies to most ogryn weapons they have a range stat as well

[leaden thunder]

it's really noticable on the shotgun types

I think the stubber may not but idk i just shot with it

[plucky perch]

it is very noticable on the stubber if your used to bust firing distant targets

i hope the advent of aproved mods they allow one that lets us directly target trauma staff secondary at the floor and enemies via aiming reticle. would make landing presice close and medium range booms easier and hit targets up stairs that the lil ground circle just DOESNT wanna climb

[spice veldt]

yeah; it certainly feels like a weapon that they tested only in the psykanium and then called it a day

[plucky perch]

isnt the trauma force staff based on the crush psyker dicipline?

[spice veldt]

there's also the fact that it didn't even have a charge UI before a recent patch, and the god damn aiming reticle is still the same size regardless of your blast radius stat

[plucky perch]

ahhh i didnt realise that was the case, that would explain why some kills that arent in the epicenter happen on some staffs but some that are in th epicenter DOINT happen on other worse blast radious roll staffs

[spice veldt]

yeah; it's extremely confusing

i had to test it with a 17% blast radius trauma staff that I picked up early on

for a staff that relies on the user having a decent perception of 2d depth, you'd expect the visual to at least work right

[plucky perch]

would be so much easier if it just exploded where you AIMED

[spice veldt]

the aiming system itself is fine, but it really does not work with the map design in this game

[rocky cedar]

God damn stairs

[plucky perch]

some times even a bump in the floor

[rocky cedar]

Bane of my trauma loving life

[plucky perch]

or heavens forbid

a ramp

but i only complain out of love, the truama staff is my favourite

[rocky cedar]

It's mostly the mesh stairs where your blast that can go under them that are the problem

[spice veldt]

they're not too frequent, but they're frequent enough to be annoying

[rocky cedar]

Got a warp flurry 2 one with good stats recently and honestly I think I'll stick with my rending shockwave one

[spice veldt]

i don't think I've used any other staff for like 300 hours besides the trauma at this point

[rocky cedar]

Didn't see a particularly noticeable increase in cast speed TBH

[spice veldt]

it might reset easily or something

i notice it when i'm blasting a beast of nurgle

[rocky cedar]

I tried Purg for the first time in a while today

It's fun being able to run lacerations for free but honestly gameplay just feels way more boring to me

[spice veldt]

i ran the purg when i really wanted to bump my win rates up, it's certainly a staff that gets old quick

[rocky cedar]

Hybrid trauma chainsword/DS gameplay is just the most fun for me

[spice veldt]

ye. just sniping melee elites out of a horde or staggering some ragers to beat their shit up

[rocky cedar]

I love bullying ragers

[spice veldt]

i run the force sword, so groups of scab ragers are my favorite

[rocky cedar]

Knock them on their face then run in with a quick chainsword rev or spamming DS V heavies

I just can't bring myself to like FS TBH

Got one with slaughterer 3 recently and it's alright but hordes still feel kinda tedious

[spice veldt]

i think it needs basically a perfect roll to be good or to hit a certain breakpoint

[leaden thunder]

sluaghterer helps that immensely

[spice veldt]

since I just barely hit the breakpoint for one-shotting dreg bruisers at max stacks with heavies

[rocky cedar]

I also really enjoy having my peril drop rapidly + quietude after a trauma peril dump

[spice veldt]

yeah, I'm really starting to understand that drawback of the trauma staff

especially on finales where you have to run around with continuously spawning hordes

ideally, you want to trade between your stamina and peril

but with the FS, you have to actively quell or run exorcist for anything appreciable, and it's something that's screwed me over on a finale not having fast passive quelling

[leaden thunder]

I started to run with the warp charges give peril resist for truma

[rocky cedar]

I'm sure you can get away with FS fine with trauma with warp resist feat especially

[spice veldt]

i'm addicted to psykinetic's wrath

psykinetic's wrath allows my FS to cross that threshold of killing a mutant with two light-specials

[cyan notch]

do u have maniac

[spice veldt]

though I think a +25% maniac would also do the same

[rocky cedar]

Pre trauma buff I think a non force melee weapon felt pretty mandatory if you didn't want to spend half your time venting

[spice veldt]

i still have a +20% maniac on my FS currently

lol yeah; I ran the trauma staff as my main pre-buff and I was basically holding down quell the entire time

[rocky cedar]

I still enjoy the smoothness of swapping to a non force melee and letting peril sort itself out

[spice veldt]

i like to think that i'm built different and I want to avoid relying on passive quelling as much as possible

get myself into a habit of actively quelling during any downtime

[rocky cedar]

I also ran trauma as my main pre buff but yeah DS mostly to alleviate that

[spice veldt]

with post-buff trauma, I can actually run into a group of shooters and decimate their asses

[leaden thunder]

i'd say truma is probably my favorite staff, then voidstrike

[rocky cedar]

I've kinda fallen in love with V after spending a long time on IV

[rotund crystal]

this is the only class channel not filled with memes, psyker are such big nerds lmao

[leaden thunder]

really only vet chat is consistently filled with memes

[spice veldt]

what 5 force weapons does to mfs

[rocky cedar]

The mobility of V is just so ridiculously good

[spice veldt]

i have the vet channel muted

[rocky cedar]

Yeah Ogryn and Zealot chat pretty frequently serious

Or at least half serious

[leaden thunder]

it's hard to tell

[rocky cedar]

I also don't wander into Vet chat

[spice veldt]

swapped to the zealot channel and saw a car with arms for wheels

[leaden thunder]

just fuckign with stan

[spice veldt]

i picked the correct class to main

[rocky cedar]

I've decided I really like HH Vet but still a really dumb class overall

[cyan notch]

psyker channel does have the least shitposting

vet is a dumpster fire

the others have a decent mix

[leaden thunder]

psyker chat has had some really bad takes tho imo

[rocky cedar]

Oh yeah?

What have I missed?

[leaden thunder]

the shitposting keeps the bad takes away

limpshitter being BiS when you can run headtaker for the same damage when ramped, etc

that one guy being rude and saying gunker is "really" good

[spice veldt]

maybe if I were consistently playing quake/aim trainers day-to-day

[leaden thunder]

I mean, gunker is fine, because guns are good

[rocky cedar]

Yeah push attack Caxe seems dubious. Why spam an attack that stops damaging after the 3rd target when you can just spam lights?

[vagrant furnace]

Let my beloved have his dreams

[rocky cedar]

Assuming Bromo of course

[leaden thunder]

even if you are spaming push attack

headtaker is still better after a couple of hits

becuase it doesn't force you to only use certian attacks

[rocky cedar]

And again work with your attacks that can actually damage infinite enemies

[leaden thunder]

well, they can't damage infinite enemies iirc, but it's still w/e

[spice veldt]

imagine being forced to block-cancel the 1st attack in your attack combo repeatedly to make use of a blessing

[cyan notch]

push attack gives u more cc

[spice veldt]

well QQ switching also works actually

[rocky cedar]

Caxe light attacks

Caxe push attack

[spice veldt]

gawd damn; actually 0 damage

[leaden thunder]

cleave caps

they big suck for some weapons

ogryn shovel comes to mind on that one

only able to damage 3 enemies

[cyan notch]

spamming only 1 move isnt optimal anyway

in reality youd use both

[leaden thunder]

yeah

[rocky cedar]

Also I didn't even realise max roll Caxe V needs extra damage to one head shot poxwalkers

Damn that's unfortunate

[spice veldt]

probably balanced around 100% stats

which we don't have access to

[leaden thunder]

that with headtaker fully stacked

[rocky cedar]

Yeah limbsplitter would have an argument for it on Caxe if it didn't also have head taker

[leaden thunder]

and decimator

[cyan notch]

rashad and achlys can 1 shot

[rocky cedar]

Well Psyker and Zealot can both very easily reach that breakpoint without perks

[spice veldt]

oops forgot about warp charges

[rocky cedar]

Well easily with a high damage/single target roll

Also set things on fire with Purg -> Caxe instant full head taker stacks

[rocky cedar]

No that was no perks or blessings

[spice veldt]

soulblaze ticks count as a hit for headtaker?

[rocky cedar]

Well it works with Zealot Flamer and head taker melee last I checked

[spice veldt]

whew

[rocky cedar]

I don't see why it wouldn't be the same for soulblaze

You have to actually swap to your melee obviously

But the burn dot should both proc and benefit from head taker while your melee is out

Of course the burn falls off pretty fast so you won't get huge benefit out of it for the dot itself but starting out with full stacks as you run in with melee is certainly nice

[spice veldt]

that's quite an interesting "synergy"

[rocky cedar]

Yeah dots count as "hits" I guess

Don't know if it works for shred or anything else but head taker I'm pretty sure about

I know it works for slaughter too

[spice veldt]

WHAT

damn; it really does seem like this whole blessing system was pretty recent

[rocky cedar]

Persistent dots seem to be the hole in their last attempt to stop ranged/melee blessing cross interaction

[spice veldt]

i guess not checking what weapon is doing the hits

[rocky cedar]

I wouldn't be surprised if they change it but I kinda like it as is

I believe perks of active weapon also affect the dot

[spice veldt]

it would be pretty interesting if uncanny strike transferred over to your ranged

[rocky cedar]

That's why I love rending shockwave

The cross ranged -> melee synergy

[spice veldt]

ah yeah, it ain't a stinky little self-buff

[rocky cedar]

Also just debuffs for the team obviously

[spice veldt]

but mostly for yourself

[rocky cedar]

Well depends

I feel like benefit for team can be pretty big on crushers

[spice veldt]

especially for comps with no ranged antiarmor

or veterans who shoot crushers with the kantrael

[rocky cedar]

To the point if they're close I'll often trauma rather than BB

Like two max charge casts then BB or whack it with melee

I really really want a higher rending shockwave blessing though

Tier 2 is a bit eh

[spice veldt]

20% isn't much

i just grabbed a t3 from melk yesterday to slap onto another trauma staff

[rocky cedar]

Nice

[spice veldt]

hopes and prayers for a t4 in the future

[rocky cedar]

I kinda wish other staffs got access to enemy debuffs

Neat mechanic to have on staffs

[spice veldt]

purg has the debuff of murder
something more interesting than straight up killing melee elites

i wonder what they could do with the voidstrike in particular

with surge and purg, it seems like something you can slap on them like "fire weakens armor" or some stuff like that

[rocky cedar]

Yeah I guess brittle if the only debuff that really exists

I like the idea of the soulblaze on crit blessing

But crits is such a bad trigger condition

Wish it was an actually interactive trigger

[spice veldt]

shred is milquetoast and no real human being has bloodthirsty

should've just made it a weakspot hit or something

[rocky cedar]

Like killing X enemies on cast procs soulblaze on hit for 5 seconds

[spice veldt]

or just built it directly into the special

yeah

[rocky cedar]

Oh I was talking about the staff soulblaze blessings

[spice veldt]

o

[rocky cedar]

On trauma and void

Dogshit

But I wish it wasn't

[spice veldt]

yup

especially since their attack names reference fire in some fashion

[rocky cedar]

Cause doing a Void/Trauma AB hybrid build sounds fun

[spice veldt]

trauma to soulblaze an entire horde -> melee to kill faster -> AB -> yaddi yadda

or well, just using trauma to kill the horde instead of melee

actual AB synergy with weapons besides purgatus

[rocky cedar]

I also feel like 10% base crit chance makes way more sense for Psyker than Vet but ah well

[leaden thunder]

I feel like it makes the most sense on zealot, you know faith making them lucky or w/e

but it makes mroe sense on either zealot or psyker then vet

[spice veldt]

does veteran have any blessings that trigger on crit on their class-specific weapons (helbore, plasmagun, power sword, etc.)? I guess recon might count, though psyker gets access to that

[rocky cedar]

You've got all the light dexterity weapons as Psyker so crit chance seems fitting for them

Vet doesn't have any class specific crit activations to my recollection

[spice veldt]

i will cry

maybe their idea for the higher crit was so that veterans of a particular kind will still be semi-effective when dumping a kantrael into a crusher?

[rocky cedar]

Hellbore has high crit multipliers generally

That's the only class specific synergy I can really think of

[leaden thunder]

hellbore can roll infernus

it's not good tho

[wet belfry]

They could always replace wrack in ruins for a crit chance per warp charge feat instead.

Though i doubt fatshark would do that.

[leaden thunder]

maybe if they keep the warp charge mechanic for other psyker subclasses that will show up at some point

[rare furnace]

So crit on psyker isn’t needed

[leaden thunder]

it's generally not great unless you have something that works with it

for psyker that is purge staff double soulblaze staff

[rare furnace]

So criting electro deletes?

[plucky perch]

just to double check while flame staf has a max current range of 18, doesnt the zealout flamer have a range of up to 26?

[leaden thunder]

something like that

the flamer 100% has more range

idk the exact values tho

[plucky perch]

i think my level 12 zealotut has a flamer now that im thinking straight im gonna check

yeah , purg max range is 17, flamer is 26... why does fat shark hate magic fire first siena....

[leaden thunder]

unlimited ammo is the main reason likely

[spice veldt]

to make it not as strong against ranged

[leaden thunder]

also psyker is a better platform for it then zealot

[spice veldt]

since we have brain burst and zealots don't

[plucky perch]

true true brain burst range and acuracy is limitless

[spice veldt]

another giant finale like consignment yard would showcase the absurdity of BB's infinite range

[plucky perch]

was curious cause i noticed ALOT of choke points a zealout can safely flame into a psyker has to get considerably closer to do, and they seemed to have an easier time supressing distant shooters

[spice veldt]

there's also zealot's gap closer ult that they can use while holding down RMB

psyker's purg staff is pretty much a replacement for our melee

[plucky perch]

ahhh so quit planting and trying to counter gunner from range like a flamer zealout can?

[spice veldt]

yup

if you can, you can try to run up to shooter squads and flame them

[cyan notch]

psyker 16

[plucky perch]

at our current lock of 80%

[spice veldt]

spam LMB to keep them staggered, or RMB if you're impatient

[plucky perch]

if we ever unlock the stats will be 17.5

[cyan notch]

thats not gonna happen anytime soon

[plucky perch]

true

[cyan notch]

so not point considering it

[plucky perch]

good perks and blessings for purge staff?

[tropic lagoon]

Warp Flurry and Warp Nexus, ideally with crit chance and the other trait doesn't supre matter

Ideally with 80 Burn

[plucky perch]

best ive goten so far is 76 burn

[leaden thunder]

76% is what you need

the difference between 76% and 80% is almost non existant

[plucky perch]

cloud radious of 80 though so im good on range dump stat of damage pretty low

[leaden thunder]

76% is what you need for the last stack of burn

[plucky perch]

quell and resistance both above 50

ooh ii got lucky then

also why crit chance? i tested in the meat grinder and i dont think the burn dot can crit

[uneven drift]

Crit apply 2 stacks of dot instead of 1.

[leaden thunder]

^

[plucky perch]

ooooh!

gotcha!

[leaden thunder]

and stacks aren't linear in thier damage

so 2 stacks is more then double damage a lot of the time

[plucky perch]

i knowq they almost multiplicitive

ty for the advice

all im missin is a warp nexus blessing and the rafting update

its current rolle is warp flurry and terrifying barrage

[wet jacinth]

Rafting update

[plucky perch]

in my defense I'm 6 cans of soda worth of caffeine deep and 2 days worth of insomnia with out sleep!

also the rejects do deserve some water based vacation days

[plucky perch]

i can see warp flurry being just straight up more dps... but the constantly changing charge speed keeps leading me to wasting my acendant blaze to quickly panic quell

[safe crystal]

This is truly a ObeseMegalodon moment, 2 stats on the mkV DS do the exact same thing, now that i look at them closer

[plucky perch]

think perhaps they stack?

[safe crystal]

Only the dodge distance does

[cyan notch]

yea you only need like 50 in each for max dodge distance

[cyan notch]

its not additive though its kinda weird

i have a ds with a total of 13% but dodge is 15%

can probably go lower and still have 15% dodge

[plucky perch]

multiplicitve to one another?

[cyan notch]

no idea but the math doesnt add (multiply) up either way

[safe crystal]

Could be just hitting another hidden cap somewhere and you can get away with very low rolls

Because why make a transparent system where its easy to figure out what things do

When we can have this instead

[plucky perch]

wel obviously your suposed to unpack the game files and translate the spagehtti code!

[spice veldt]

i wonder if they even have any internal documentation of the game mechanics or if it's well written

[modern spire]

so since this last update ive been playing as a psyker again...is it just me or is the force sword kinda useless?

i mean compared to the dueling sabers it feels like a sword with a weak version of the brain burst attached

a pretty meh sword at that

[wet belfry]

Some people love it, others despise it

[spice veldt]

it's one of the weapons highly reliant on good stat rolls, and you need to get slaughterer on it for it to be good at hordeclear

[wet belfry]

Id say im in the later category.

Force sword is over represented for its general power level.

[spice veldt]

its anti-armor special and push-attack are the only remarkable features of a base force sword

[wet belfry]

On some maps id call force sword straight up throwing.

Specficaly ones where you face a ton of pox walkers.

[spice veldt]

blessing wise, it has access to Uncanny Strike, Slaughterer, and Deflector.

[modern spire]

true but its anti armor is just a weaker brain burst that doesnt give the brain burst bonus

[north cradle]

It can one-shot Scab Ragers on Damnation

[spice veldt]

at the same time, BB has low DPS without kinetic barrage, so it's preferable to use the force sword (or really any weapon that's not BB) if you can

[north cradle]

It can also one-shot Dreg Ragers and Mutants but you need +Maniac

[wet belfry]

Ye but you can also raise the hypothetical scenario are you killing single ragers or ragers in a group of multiple things?

[modern spire]

my thing is it cant seem to handle even a hadful of pox walkers with any particular ease

[wet belfry]

Even then could ragers really be considered the big threat in this game?

[modern spire]

thats my big drawback against the slightest hoard when your peril is high it struggles

[north cradle]

Single Ragers, but that's why we have the really strong push on Force Sword. It'll cause Ragers to stumble, and throw Poxwalkers on to their asses

[spice veldt]

groups of ragers are a bit of a threat, though you can always kite back

killing them quickly (without guns) is a different story unless you have purg

though other melees will serve the purpose good enough or better

[north cradle]

I've done Inquisitorial Legend on my Psyker, I usually took care of melee elites

[wet belfry]

Completeing a bunch of damnation missions with a weapon doesnt really say a whole lot.

You have 3 other players that are contributing to the general game.

Tons of people run revolver in damnation it doesnt mean the weapon is in any way decent.

[spice veldt]

tldr: you need an insanely good roll on your force sword to make it stand out among other weapons

if you run the purg, you're not really itching for a good melee, but the other staffs will require such

[safe crystal]

FS is in a weird spot where the things you want to kill with the special are usually in groups (ragers, maulers, crushers) or can be killed faster with a DS (mutants), or can be killed with brain burst from range. DS deals with hordes a lot better while giving better dodges. FS only really has the very good push, bloodthirsty if someone actually manages to find one and deflector.

[leaden thunder]

FS can also roll slaughterer

[safe crystal]

True, but DS has rampage, and has a better moveset for hordes

[spice veldt]

yeah, having access to slaughterer and uncanny strike at the same time is pretty nice

[leaden thunder]

rampage is not even close to sluaghterer

[spice veldt]

light->heavy is a pretty good pattern

block cancel or QQ switch

[safe crystal]

It isnt, im aware. The moveset in general is so much better though

Its like a, what. 20% to 75% power?

Rampage v slaughterer

[leaden thunder]

rampage is just damage iirc

[safe crystal]

Oh yeah, true

[spice veldt]

7.5% at t1 and 15% at t4, stacks 5 times

[safe crystal]

My b, forgot it was just damage

[spice veldt]

i really don't think that the FS light->heavy combo is that bad

[leaden thunder]

i'll have to try that at some point

some weapons require a little working with the moveset to be good

[spice veldt]

ye

FS really requires it because of the shitty 2nd light

and the 3rd light is an interesting outlier

[safe crystal]

L1-H2-push and repeat was the loop for FS right?

[spice veldt]

block, push, or QQ switching also works

i change between all 3 depending on the situation

[leaden thunder]

I want to try a shred, crit = soulblaze FS

[spice veldt]

if I have max stacks, I QQ switch. If zi want some extra safety or I don't have the APM for QQ, I block cancel or push

well you could actually QQ out of a push actually

hmm

I need to write this shit down in a notebook to practice

[leaden thunder]

I know the evis is another weapon you need to work with for it to be good

[spice veldt]

I think the combo is the inverse of the FS right

heavy->light

[leaden thunder]

push heavy light

[safe crystal]

I wish i could drag this bloodthirsty from my zealot to psyker, i have a T3 blazing spirit FS waiting already

[leaden thunder]

then you can either keep doing that or alternating lights and heavies

[pine relic]

Don't

It has about 155 damage, maximum soul blaze stacks

[frank talon]

it's finally mine

[safe crystal]

Well thats a hot take, considering purg gets 197 per tick out of soul blaze, and its considered one of the better psyker builds. 155 sounds reasonable on top of FS damage, especially against monstrosities

[spice veldt]

though you trade it for slaughterer and/or uncanny strike

more reliable to just light combo enemies like gunners or shotgunners who will die before Soulblaze has a significant effect, so it ends up being only useful against reapers and bosses

[leaden thunder]

this is for after crafting come about

just to play around

which was supposed to be the point of crafting

[still hearth]

The thing is

That the Purge staff isn't good because it does high DPS (even if thats a part of it)

The Purge staff is good because it does high DPS to anything in a 17m cone

And CCs them

The dot ticks are also wasted a lot on melee since you do a lot of base damage against the targets

[safe crystal]

Im not saying its better than the stuff we have now, im also just looking to experiment with crits and soul blaze blessings. But it does, in theory, unless it'll be bugged like haymaker give you charge generation with AB, and toughness regen if you run essence harvest

[still hearth]

Well you then need to deliberately not hit enemies on fire

In my eyes it is pretty bad but I've gotten by using gray only stuff and no feats just to see how hard it is so its not like its impossible to play with suboptimal stuff.

[pine relic]

It's 10 stacks, which means you need to crit 10 times. anyway, I don't even use FS now, duelling sword is just too good.

one shot toxic flamer and three-shot mutant on Damnation

[safe crystal]

Elaborate. As long as something has soul blaze on it, you roll for the AB proc for charges, doesnt matter what kills it

[still hearth]

I've heard people say it either way.

Its worded that the soulblaze has to kill the enemy.

[safe crystal]

Gimme a sec, taking a clip

[still hearth]

[safe crystal]

I mean, everything is worded like shit on psykers

[still hearth]

Every is worded like shit*

[safe crystal]

Like the power from peril giving only 4%, when it actually gives 4 stacks

of 4%

[still hearth]

People said it procs when something dies with soulblaze on, but then people say it doesn't proc unless it dies to soulblaze.

If it works with AB generation that's slightly better but also currently having stacks is so easy that idk if that's worth it, either.

[safe crystal]

Thank god the test is easy on this, AB things, shoot with gun, roll for charge. Just a second

[leaden thunder]

it might even sorta be in the middle

ie the psyker has to kill them with soulblaze on them

[frank talon]

I've gotten all 4 stacks back before priming a horde with AB and then immediately dropping a fully charged void into the crowd

[pine relic]

@leaden thunder I tried crit Evi, It's much better than I thought

[leaden thunder]

just shred or shred + momentum?

[pine relic]

Shred and bloodletter

[leaden thunder]

[pine relic]

I wouldn't try it if I only got the T2 Shred

I kind of hope they buff bloodletter, two stacks bleed for a T3 blessing is bad.

[safe crystal]

@still hearth Tested with these, the gun used is whatever emp gave me earlier this month

[still hearth]

Nice

That does make EH and AB nice in melee

Hmm

[safe crystal]

The trade off will be, if running bloodthirsty and blazing spirits, no slaughterer, which is by far the best blessing for FS and most other weapons

But it CAN work

[near gale]

Question: How is this staff?

Seems like an odd 1st blessing, for the trauma staff

[pine relic]

Wait a minute, I have never seen that blessing before

[near gale]

It's usually on the voidstrike, I think

but it only comes in tier 4

[pine relic]

Might save it for the crafting system

[near gale]

I have to buy it for melk bucks

[pine relic]

How much

[stuck sinew]

Does the 2 shot apply to alt fire?

[near gale]

Let me check

[stuck sinew]

I would buy it just because it's rare as fuck

[near gale]

True

On the voidstrike I think it's useful, but, idk if it applies to the alt fire on the trauma

[stuck sinew]

Stats aren't even bad too

[near gale]

2800 out of the 3010 I have

[safe crystal]

It only affects your LMB

But its rare enough i would buy it

[near gale]

That's what I thought >.>

[safe crystal]

On both staves, void strike and trauma

[stuck sinew]

Not like there's many great blessings anyway

[pine relic]

Do you use the Trauma staff though, I tried it a few times then gave up, it makes my fps drop like crazy

[near gale]

Doesn't do that to me, last time I used it anyway

I used it on my lawn ornament, the last time.

[pine relic]

Then buy it, it's not like Melk has good offers every day.

[near gale]

inb4 I have to no-life tonight for something good right? lol

[stuck sinew]

Gimme

[near gale]

I'm pretty sure rending shockwave does little or nothing >.>

[pine relic]

Trauma staff clear horde faster than purgatus I think.

[rare sand]

I'd probably want rending shockwave and warp flurry on a trauma?

[gloomy siren]

how can you get transcendant things?is it like vermtide?

[near gale]

melk's shop/emperor's gifts

or upgrading

[gloomy siren]

ight thx

[ornate hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/copium-cat-gif-27161395

gun psyker is a joke, stop it

[near gale]

inb4 we get a gun psyker path >.>

[ornate hamlet]

if they give us one, it might become viable

until then, it's trash in higher difficulty

literally only good in low difficulty

[near gale]

I mean if Ogryns can use guns, why can't Psykers? lol

Kind of hard to find a reason why they can't if the big "dumb-dumbs" can >.>

[ornate hamlet]

we have better options - surg & purg are both far more useful than any other ranged weapon available to psykers.
void is meh and trauma was improved but is still meh
all guns are trash on psyker, if you want to use firearms and have to worry about ammo play a class that is built for it

[near gale]

I'm pretty sure the kantrael xii is useable. If Zealot can use it, so can Psyker.

[ornate hamlet]

just because it's possible to play gimped builds and still succeed doesn't mean you should

[lethal folio]

It's hardly gimped.

[near gale]

Xii isn't gimped, it's an amazing gun for what it's worth. It just isn't as... viable with the level 5 feats

[lethal folio]

None of the staves are particularly good at handling specials or elites.

[near gale]

uh, the surge staff is...

[ornate hamlet]

this is false but believe whatever you want homie

[near gale]

I'm all with guns being useable, but saying staves aren't good for elites/specials is not what I was saying

[lethal folio]

How many charge attacks are you taking to kill a random trapper

[near gale]

I am stunning it, moving in with melee, and killing it...

Stunning them is why it is so viable

It isn't viable for killing them, but dealing with them? Yes

it also can take a group of ogryn elites and make them sitting ducks

[lethal folio]

and how do you ensure it hits the trapper with random chains

[near gale]

You aim in it's direction and as long as there isn't a horde... it almost always hits

[ornate hamlet]

this is just a ridiculous question lol, you clearly don't understand how to play psyker properly with any build, so yeah use guns on specials and elites and have crap hoarding ability and be useless to your team, i really don't care homie

[lethal folio]

What horde clear are you bringing with surge?

[near gale]

by hoarding do you mean dealing with hordes? That's what your melee is for with the surge staff.

[ornate hamlet]

i am a purg+axe user

[near gale]

antox V or dueling sword IV

[golden tartan]

If gun zealot works, gun psyker works too.

Horde clear is nice but its not mandatory.

[inland sand]

Antex V or Maccabian V for me

[ornate hamlet]

surge is useful to the team, incredibly, but i personally use purg+axe.

[golden tartan]

Everyone can horde clear

[ornate hamlet]

this is an example of how i play

[near gale]

It's only mandatory when you're the last person alive.

[inland sand]

I feel since the Trauma buff Surge has dropped on my staff tier list to the number 3 spot

[ornate hamlet]

gun zealot is not trading off their best assets (melee) to use guns, they are using both

[golden tartan]

Not even

[lethal folio]

the point is gun psyker can draw a gun and deal with a special in a second.

[near gale]

It becomes more mandatory for higher difficulties, I mean

[golden tartan]

• Best asset.

• Melee.

What

[near gale]

I wouldn't be trading my melee whether I brought the kantrael or the surge staff, though...

[ornate hamlet]

zealot is a melee focused class, with ranged options.
psyker is a ranged focused class, with melee options

[ornate hamlet]

trading off what staves are capable of for a gun is simply a loss

[golden tartan]

Zealot is no more melee focused than psyker is ranged focused

Both are like

Smack bang middle

[inland sand]

both classes are generalists

[near gale]

As far as feats go? Yes. All the way. As far as dealing with specific scenarios that can happen? Maybe.

[inland sand]

while Vet and Ogryn are specialists

[near gale]

That I would agree with

[inland sand]

they both approach 'generalism' differently

[near gale]

That's why it make sense for Vets to have the strongest melee

[golden tartan]

Its fine as long as u have a solid melee weapon

But ye if ur running like

Uh

Knife

U might have a bad time

[near gale]

If you have a force sword... or knife? Hordes are a bitch

[ornate hamlet]

define "solid melee weapon"

[inland sand]

A

solid melee weapon would be something like a chainsword

can do a bit of everything pretty well

nothing amazingly

[golden tartan]

Anything that hit more than one target efficiently tbh

In thay case

[near gale]

Pretty much anything besides an axe without bromentum, a knife, and a force sword

for hordes specifically

[golden tartan]

Knife is good but its specialist as fuck

[ornate hamlet]

which is roughly 40% less DPS in the hands of a psyker than a zealot, before even getting into survivability

[olive ember]

Psyker is a ranged class?

Doesn’t feel like it kekw

[golden tartan]

Actually no

[near gale]

I would say a mixed class

[olive ember]

Knife psyker out dps knife zealot basically

[near gale]

with more ranged specialties

[golden tartan]

Psykers actually have higher dps than zealot on stuff like knives and axes

Er taxes

[olive ember]

It’s a meme but it’s true kek

[golden tartan]

Especially if u have limbsplitter

Kek

[ornate hamlet]

sorry i stopped caring, too much misinformation for me to even address

[golden tartan]

Zealots cant pattack forever

[near gale]

True psykers can push attack a lot more than zealots, which makes limbsplitter viable

[golden tartan]

Mhm

Zealots still want limbsplitter on a taxe 2

Its actually part of the optimal attack chain

Pattack spam and H1 + QQ

[near gale]

Wouldn't block cancel work as well?

[golden tartan]

Slower

Way WAY slower

[digital loom]

transfer peril blessing activates with kinetic flayer

[near gale]

But if you need to push while doing it, it allows for more defense

right?

[golden tartan]

Then just pattack

[near gale]

True

[golden tartan]

Zealots want to pattack until they cant anymore

Then they H1 QQ

Regen stam

And go back to pattacks

Psyker just spams pattacks

[near gale]

because of block peril, yeah

[ornate hamlet]

while this is true, it doesn't activate often enough to be significant in terms of peril cleansing

[golden tartan]

Yep

[near gale]

Even with your melee out?

[golden tartan]

Zealot's strong point is not its melee dps.

Its their survivability

[olive ember]

Arguable I find zealot squishy as shit

[ornate hamlet]

post your gameplay example vids using gun psyker so we can all watch and laugh please

[golden tartan]

Well compared to psyker...

[olive ember]

I’m better off just cleaving through hordes with a psyker or vet

[leaden thunder]

[golden tartan]

Oh yea for hordes psyker and vet are more durable

[olive ember]

Well Tbf I haven’t played since December so idk how the peril changes screwed me over

[ornate hamlet]

on psyker nothing is better at dealing with hoard than purg

[olive ember]

I run surge

[leaden thunder]

you are doing something very wrong if you feel squishy as zealot

[golden tartan]

Cos vet and psyker can deal with horde in melee

[ornate hamlet]

if you run surge, combine it with MK V combat axe.

[golden tartan]

But like for everything else zealot is way WAY more durable

[near gale]

I find it both more squishy and less squishy. It depends on how you play. My friends take a bunch of damage on zealot, but, I take less damage until I take a bit of hp damage... but that's true as all characters for me, tho

[olive ember]

Meh yeah Ik but I liked my funny FS

Then they nerfed it into the ground

And now I don’t play anymore

Kek

[golden tartan]

Zealot has four big tools for survivability.

• Better dodges
• 100% DR on slides
• 2x 50 toughness on a button press
• Until Death

[near gale]

Corrected*

[golden tartan]

Psyker kinda relies on peril block and maybe quietude?

[near gale]

and not stamina

[golden tartan]

Er tou yes

[near gale]

I knew what you meant

[golden tartan]

Ye

[ornate hamlet]

neither are required

[golden tartan]

For durability that is

[near gale]

For more utility peril block kind of is

[safe crystal]

Ok? It was a test whether or not AB procs warp charges with whatever weapon you use to kill them, revolver just happened to be something that killed groaners in one bodyshot that i had on hand. Whats your point?

[near gale]

It allows me to get my allies up 5x more often

[olive ember]

I can do decently well with my FS but it’s also mostly cuz that’s the weapon I’ve been using since closed beta

So I perform the best with it

[golden tartan]

You dont really have much other durability other than melee toughness kills and coherency regen

[digital loom]

i use kinetic flayer just to maintain my stacks when i dont have the time to bb something

wish it was better tho

[near gale]

With the way the stacks work, now, it isn't as required

[olive ember]

No reason not to use it unless you are running AB tho

[near gale]

I use the 6 stacks for more power and warp resistance

[ornate hamlet]

psychic communion

[olive ember]

You are better off dropping communion for aura iirc

[golden tartan]

Unironically atm i find psyker the better melee horde clearer and zealot the better ranged shooter killer atm

[near gale]

This

[golden tartan]

Psyker obvs better vs specials and elites at range

[olive ember]

Keep flayer drop communion for aura I thought was more useful according to some people

[golden tartan]

And zealot better vs heavy targets in melee

[olive ember]

Again never tried it but logically speaking it seems to make sense

[near gale]

Zealot's thammer also murders monsters

[golden tartan]

Monsters are a heavy target and zealot ranged actually does very well vs them too

[digital loom]

dunno why you would use anything other than force sword, even without deflector it still has infinite dodges

[near gale]

horde clear...?

[olive ember]

Worse dodge range, worse horde clearing, worse passive quelling, basically inferior melee weapon besides its utility

I still run it tho cuz I like it

[near gale]

Also yeah passive quelling

[echo turtle]

Other weapons are significantly better than the FS in every respect

[golden tartan]

Mhm like the FS isnt bad

[digital loom]

horde clearing with melee on a class that gets infinite ammunition with its ranged weapon

[olive ember]

Even if they nerfed it to the ground these last few patches

I run surge staff so

[golden tartan]

But knife psyker and axe psyker has some serious use

[echo turtle]

infinite dodges just means you don’t have to wait the quarter second delay

[near gale]

zap staff does shit for hordes, and I prefer it to the other 3 options

[olive ember]

If you are surging a horde then that’s an E moment

If you running purge then yeah FS is p good

[golden tartan]

Knife purgatus is interesting btw

[steel flame]

I've been using the brutal antax I got recently with a void staff and it makes for a very good mix of long range and close combat

[echo turtle]

I run that when I run purge

[golden tartan]

Cos u get the raw single target dps of thr knife and u dont need to worry about hordes

[digital loom]

my achlys is ok

[near gale]

I find stunning dogs to be like... life saving considering how jank they are.

[olive ember]

Then again I run Surge + FS so non existent horde clear kek

[echo turtle]

you want brutal momentum,

[golden tartan]

Kek

[echo turtle]

it helps a lol

[olive ember]

Though I do have slaughterer on my FS to help remedy this

[ornate hamlet]

purg+MK II / MK VIII combat axe = superior hoard clear versus any other psyker build, and incredibly high single target DPS on all specialist, elite and monstrosity.
also has relatively strong AoE CC with purg left mouse on most specialist and elite enemies. - which is very quick on the draw, and can be followed up easily with melee to finish off anything and everything

surge+MK V combat axe = superior AoE CC, ok-ish hoard clear due to MK V combat axe, ok single target DPS

[near gale]

level 1 thrust? 😭

[digital loom]

yeah i want brutal momentum but this game has a gacha system that wont stop taking my good base rolls and fucking me in the ass with them

[steel flame]

I still use deflector with purge so I can close distance on shooters

[digital loom]

focused channeling is the missing link for trauma staff

[echo turtle]

On higher difficulties you aren’t closing on shooters

[olive ember]

Pretty sure you would want purge + FS tbh, purge can pretty much handle everything besides crusher +

And at that point I personally would just use a FS special

[digital loom]

i use purg when i want to be lazy and just do everything

[near gale]

I took a purple antox with it. It's legit amazing.

[digital loom]

purgatus staff just makes you a better zealot

[ornate hamlet]

this works, but isn't as much DPS as MK II or MK VIII axe

[golden tartan]

Its doable but like. Thats kinda the zealot's job.

If u dont have a zealot then ur vet should be working it. If u dont have vets or zealots... hopefully u have a gunpsyker? XD

[echo turtle]

sprinting with a dagger and sliding followed bt the lunge attack speed boost closes better than the FS

[steel flame]

I'm glad that works for you

[echo turtle]

its not, you get shot from@all sides and just die

[olive ember]

True but if you are walking up to a crusher or monstrosity to dps with axe I’d say the rest of your team ain’t doing their job XD FS is good burst + CC on non monstrosity

[digital loom]

the force sword is only there for 1v1

[echo turtle]

That’s what BB is for

[golden tartan]

The point is u arent diving to melee as zealot

[digital loom]

psyker has it all, a ranged weapon for horde clear, a melee weapon for dueling, a special ability for killing the most annoying specials in the game at any range

[golden tartan]

Ur using ur charges to give u the toughness window to kill everything with ur flamer/autogun

[echo turtle]

I melee dive all the time, but I don’t run into an area filled with shooters

[olive ember]

What you mean I love diving into shooters as my deflector FS psyker

I play more aggro than the actual zealot on my team

[near gale]

That's why I take care when I dive.

[digital loom]

the suppression on staff primary fire, the bolt, is a huge amount of suppression

[ornate hamlet]

if you're using surge, you can just keep it CC'd all day
if you're using purg, purg is useless against crusher, and MK II / MK VIII axe will kill them super quickly
using purg+axe build requires more skill than surge builds, but it's far better at killing everything than any other psyker build if the player is good and knows their dodge timings well

[digital loom]

even if you dont hit anything they will usually stop shooting and run away

[golden tartan]

Thats why. Zealots dont really melee dive shooters at damnation unless they are reallt confident.

They charge with their ranged out.

[digital loom]

i found with my zealot i get better results if i coordinate what i am doing

[echo turtle]

You playing Damnation? I don’t think there are a lot of situations where deflector makes it viable when a daggers speed doesnt

[near gale]

I pick them off one by one with my kantrael. <.<

[golden tartan]

When charging you get toughness and ranged damage immunity so it gives u the opening to murder the shooters with ur ranged.

[olive ember]

Haven’t in a while but I have before

[steel flame]

I started running the 10% toughness on warp kill and it's absolutely amazing on void staff in damnation. You can get full toughness from a single half charge. INFINITE PONE AT SHOOTERS

[digital loom]

the number of times i've told a vet i'm throwing a grenade when we are pinned down by 6 reapers and 18 gunners and having him follow up after the stun grenade is too many to count

[olive ember]

Also Yeah I was memeing XD

[ornate hamlet]

the AI is fairly predictable, and if you are quick on your feet it is not hard to quickly kill a group of ranged enemies if you can close the distance fast enough using cover or a charge skill get in there, cause them to put their rifles away to pull melee weps out, and deal with them swiftly without getting hit.

it's actually not that hard to do on any class

[golden tartan]

Oh ye. I do it with my HH Vraks. I just use the two Fs to restore toughness when it breaks and gain ranged immunity/push into cover and effective range.

[olive ember]

Tbf on psyker its still a lot safer to just bb them slowly as long as you aren’t getting swarmed

[golden tartan]

Until they dont put the rifles away and insta gib u at point blank

[olive ember]

Shotgunner moment

[near gale]

I find the kantrael more useful because more ammo efficiency and it has amazing range.

[golden tartan]

Assuming the enemy will put away the rifles is not a good assumption

[ornate hamlet]

this almost never happens.

[golden tartan]

Lol

This happens a LOT

[ornate hamlet]

shotgunners are elites, they do not respawn.

you should know the maps and know where to expect shotgunners to be

[near gale]

That's what you think, lol.

[steel flame]

Play more damnation

[ornate hamlet]

i play damnation

[digital loom]

the trigger for ranged enemies to pull out melee is dependent on whether you're in their checking radius and whether you have your melee out when they check.

[near gale]

I love how we all are like: Yeah no, it happens ALL the time. XD

[golden tartan]

Esp if ur charging shooter blobs. Usually 1 in 5 or so do not put away their guns

[ornate hamlet]

when i am charging a group of ranged i am using left click with purg to CC them on my approach anyway

[near gale]

And the 4 to the right blast your toughness away

[safe crystal]

You can get into melee with the first gun-line all you want, the second one 5 meters behind it doesnt care and will shred you

[ornate hamlet]

like i did in the gameplay example vid i posted at the end of the vid

[digital loom]

and the best way to deal with shooter patrols is to delete them before they all scatter

[golden tartan]

Mhm

[near gale]

I've been in that sinking boat

[ornate hamlet]

surge is very good at dealing with these, like BB it can be used from cover

[digital loom]

that being said, now that suppression works properly, i am having a great deal of fun with plasma

[golden tartan]

The best way to deal with shooters is some form of effective ranged option

[near gale]

I only dive hard when my teammates are down, and that's when I dive best

[digital loom]

and trauma

[near gale]

The switch flips and suddenly I know how to play... >.<'

[golden tartan]

That way u can get them before they scatter

[steel flame]

I still have groups of enemies especially ones that end up slightly behind me that don't put weapons away and I get poofed away, so I don't take chances anymore and always stun them with purge before I start meleeing

[near gale]

When they scatter it gets messy, and teammates start dropping

[golden tartan]

Yea meleeing a shooter blob is always roulette kek

Ergo why you always open eith ranged

[ornate hamlet]

when snipers are killing your team because they're shooting everyone through walls, is when it's messy

[golden tartan]

Be it ranged suppression, stagger

[ornate hamlet]

snipers still glitch out and shoot people through all of the walls

when we have group wipes, it's often because of the game just being stupid like that

[wet jacinth]

https://tenor.com/view/pinguman-surprise-pinguman-mikefoster-surprise-monke-surprised-gif-25977149

[near gale]

That's what the plasma vet is for

[golden tartan]

Eh id take wall banging snipers over octuple shotgunner spam anyday

[steel flame]

I've had a single sniper shot dome three of my team at once before

[golden tartan]

Also ye plasma vet is a godsend

[ornate hamlet]

shotgunners are a threat, obviously, but you shouldn't really ever be surprised by a shotgunner

they do not respawn

[near gale]

What?

[golden tartan]

Until 8 of them come out from a door

[ornate hamlet]

they are pre-placed on each map, they're not always in the same spots, but you should know when to expect them

specialists respawn, elites do not

[wet jacinth]

https://tenor.com/view/pinguman-surprise-pinguman-mikefoster-surprise-monke-surprised-gif-25977149

[near gale]

"They do not respawn"

?

[golden tartan]

They do spawn in assault waves

[safe crystal]

Oh dear

[ornate hamlet]

those waves are pre-scripted not respawns, it's not the same thing lol

[steel flame]

I love it when I go to stun a shotgunner, and they decide they don't wish to be stunned or pushed and dome me with shotgun anyway

[near gale]

Oh you mean like the trash.

[ornate hamlet]

shotgunners don't just randomly respawn like specialists do

[golden tartan]

And sometimes those assault waves come from a door u cant avoid and theres 8 shotgunners

Yea but specials dont spawn in 8s

[near gale]

I've been there

It's ugly

[golden tartan]

And they dont insta lock and down a teammate from halfway across the room

[near gale]

Yep

[ornate hamlet]

specialists spawn on timers, and in random places, and have audio notifications when they do

shotgunner are elites, do not respawn on timers, or in random places, they are placed in pre-scripted areas in every map and they spawn in on pre-scripted events

when you've played the maps enough you will always know when to expect them

[golden tartan]

Shotgunners are fucking ugly

[golden tartan]

Yes and even if u do expect them

8 of them still fucks u up

[near gale]

Except the ninja bursters who spawn, and nearly instantly jump out of the door that you are next to.

Not often, but, it does happen

[golden tartan]

Because they can spawn during an assault wave

[ornate hamlet]

those are specialists

[near gale]

I know

[ornate hamlet]

yeah specialists are far more tricky sometimes

[golden tartan]

Camping a door is stupid

[broken quail]

Atleast specials have sound queues, you get a horde sound and shotgunners roll up a few minutes later while you're clearing the horde

[near gale]

The audio queue is the queue that you know you are fucked instantly 0.1% of the time by bursters

[golden tartan]

Not camping the door gets u insta gibbed by 8 shotters

[near gale]

I had it happen at the end of one of the scan missions

Where my teammates went to the healin gstation

bursters spawned

[steel flame]

I've had a zealot kill himself spamming into a door and killing a burster that just spawned and hadn't made noise yet

[golden tartan]

Like thry will snipe u from across the fucking map.

[near gale]

2 ran out 3 seconds later and bursted my teammates who just healed

[ornate hamlet]

shotgunners are supposed to be hard to deal with
the more you run the same missions the more you will get the hang of when to expect them, and you should be looking for them because if you aren't you're just gonna die lol

[near gale]

since the station is right next to the door

[golden tartan]

Thing is even if u do look for them

8 shotgunners is just die

[near gale]

I stayed back cause I knew some bs was going down

[golden tartan]

Someone is dying there

[ornate hamlet]

surge staff users have 0 issues here, they can aoe CC them from cover

[near gale]

Someone did

cause of 2 grims

[golden tartan]

By the time u fire off ur surge someone is dead

[ornate hamlet]

purg can aoe CC them as well, but not from cover and need to be danger close

[near gale]

sometimes, I prefire a lot, so I catch them sometimes as the 1st shot goes off

[ornate hamlet]

i usually just BB them from cover 1 by 1 myself, unless my teammates are up in there, then i'll aoe cc them with purge combined with an axe chop here and there between CC spam

[golden tartan]

By the time u fire ur purge ur dead

[near gale]

Usually that shot hits me

[golden tartan]

You dont have time for this

You have 0.2s to react before someone dies

[near gale]

This is true

[golden tartan]

Thats 8 shotgunner bullshit spawn

You dont have cover

[near gale]

That's why prefiring the zap staff with min charge times works a lot

[ornate hamlet]

why not??

[golden tartan]

Because there are spawn locations that dont give u reasonable cover

[near gale]

Someone is always in the open

[ornate hamlet]

well, there's still walls you can peek

you're right some areas don't have enough cover

[golden tartan]

U cant be wall peeking forever

[near gale]

Yeah but one of the randos or one of my friends is doin gsomething and gets caught cause they aren't in cover

[golden tartan]

Yea

In one of those areas without cover

8 shotgunners

Blam

One guy down

Doesnt matter if he dodges

[ornate hamlet]

i mean it all comes down to your party

[wet jacinth]

trust no one

[near gale]

What I learned is dodge when they pump, not when they flash

[golden tartan]

There is no counter play apart from Zealot not going down from Until Death lol

[ornate hamlet]

i use them as bait dude

[golden tartan]

Thry volley fire usually

[near gale]

or a little bit after the pump

[wet jacinth]

you are the heretic

this here emperor

[near gale]

It has saved me from at least 3 shotgunners before cause I kept dodging

[golden tartan]

So the issue is they catch u at the end of the dodge

[near gale]

barely

[golden tartan]

Oh ye

3 is doable

8?

[near gale]

no

[golden tartan]

8 ur getting fucking hit

[near gale]

That's when you charge as zealot and pray to the rng gods lol

[ornate hamlet]

i do what i call "fishing"
i let my bait dangle in front of me, when enemies "bite" them, i deal with enemies, then fix my bait, and continue fishing.

[golden tartan]

That still involves a teammate going down

Soo

[near gale]

That's why I like to bring 30% revive speed

[ornate hamlet]

nah sometimes my bait is a shield ogryn lol

[golden tartan]

8 shotgunners still bullshit kek

[golden tartan]

The shield ogryn has a fraction of a second to react before he goes fown

[near gale]

30% revive speed is legit amazing

[slow karma]

I don't know why anyone should be expected to memorize spawns in a game this fucking chaotic.

[ornate hamlet]

honestly most ppl who still play shield ogryn are very good at it

[slow karma]

That's just taking shit too seriously at that point

[golden tartan]

It doesnt work either

[near gale]

Well my friend has a heavy stubber or his shield out and I am 95% sure he would charge the bs as soon as he saw it 50% of the time

[ornate hamlet]

most shield orgyn i meet used to be terrible, but now most shield ogryn i meet are actually very good at it

[golden tartan]

Cos the spawns are still randomish during assault waves

[near gale]

the other 50%? at least 3 or 4 shots

eaten

[golden tartan]

If he charges he dies mid charge

[ornate hamlet]

no such thing

[golden tartan]

Straight up

[near gale]

its a 5% higher chance to live than shooting them x.x

[golden tartan]

He will not finish that charge into 8 shotgunners

[near gale]

My one friend with his shieldgryn is actually fairly competent with elites in groups

My other 2? Not so much...

[golden tartan]

Mhm.

[ornate hamlet]

shield ogryn + purg psyker is an incredible combo btw

[near gale]

with Ogryn specifically

[golden tartan]

So is BB ogryn + purgatus

Or any ogryn

[ornate hamlet]

you literally just stand inside of him like you're a bot and melt everything in front of him, use axe when he's close enough to them for you to melee

[safe crystal]

You can literally remove the shield from that equation and its still great

[golden tartan]

Ye

[near gale]

Other option is my melee anti-armor build... club and mk 2 ripper. Mk 2 ripper staggers them at least

[golden tartan]

Fuck. Drop the ogryn

[safe crystal]

It'd even be better

[golden tartan]

Put in a vet with a psword

Still great

[ornate hamlet]

the beauty of psyker is that - unlike vet - ogryn's fat ass isn't blocking your shots.

it's just protecting you

[near gale]

^

That's true with staves

[golden tartan]

Yea but like

Its not a problem for vets

[near gale]

cough randos it is XD

I've had so many bad randos... I trust no one to be competent

Not even me

[golden tartan]

Id honestly rather have a paul ogryn than a shield gryn ngl

[safe crystal]

So you'd prefer one of your teammates doing absolutely nothing, while you're clearing a horde like you're supposed to? Shield ogryn brings zero killing power, so it puts more pressure on the rest

[near gale]

I'd rather have a bb ogryn

[golden tartan]

Paul gryn can deal eith shit that can walk through a fire

[safe crystal]

And the enemy can just run through the ogryn, its not a taunt

[golden tartan]

Yea cos u run surge.

So BB better cos he clear horde

For purg paul better

[near gale]

What's sad is when my psyker deals with a horde better than my other 3 teammates XD

Antox V with bromentum is so good

[near gale]

I still prefer mk 4 dueling sword for muties in case I miss the headshots

[ornate hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/girl-laughing-asian-gif-11866392

[golden tartan]

Kek

[near gale]

Yeah, funny... until you remember

[golden tartan]

Tbf

[ornate hamlet]

don't need headshots with MK II combat axe

[golden tartan]

U have a good melee weapon so

[near gale]

The stab is way better imo than the dueling sword 2's heavies

[golden tartan]

Unless someone has a dedicated horde clear weapon. Psyker melee is pretty up there for horde clear

[ornate hamlet]

i meant combat axe, edited

[near gale]

I saw that

[ornate hamlet]

yeh

[near gale]

I have 2 go-to weapons for Psyker: Mk 5 antox, or mk 4 dueling

[golden tartan]

I prefet Taxe II personally

But thats just cos i like Taxe II in general

On like everything

[near gale]

I really don't like the taxe, myself

I have an amazing one on my zealot... but I still don't like it

[golden tartan]

Its pattack spam

[near gale]

I prefer the antox because the lights are just as good as the push attack for horde clear

[near gale]

Rashad has bad hitbox registering, tho, right?

[golden tartan]

Yea thr pattacks on thr Taxe are fast heavies

[lethal folio]

Rashad has torso priority.

[ornate hamlet]

correct, and it still outdps the other axes because of it's swing speed

[near gale]

dps means nothing if you aren't staggering the horde, imo.

You get chipped by at least 1 of them

[ornate hamlet]

it's not for horde, i use Purg

[golden tartan]

So with BM ur just shredding and staggerring everything with pattacks

Isnt knife better for like

Not horde

[near gale]

with bm I am killing everything with light attacks as well >.>

on the antox 5

[golden tartan]

Like knife dps is bonkerinos on psyker

[near gale]

I tried knife once... I didn't feel safe with it >.>

[lethal folio]

Unlimited push attack knife is silly.

[golden tartan]

Its not great horde clear but on psyker it swings fast enough

To do ok vs hordes

And great vs not hordes

[ornate hamlet]

MK II

[golden tartan]

Iirc a knife can do that too

[ornate hamlet]

if you don't like the hitbox issue on MK II just use MK VIII

it's essentially MK V but trading horde clear for single target deeps

[clear heath]

Is the damage display still bugged to where you can look away from the healthbar and it'll show the max dps?

[ornate hamlet]

MK VIII is faster, and does way more single target dps than MK V
it's hitbox priority is the same as MK V, and the horizontal swing - when you get used to it - is very easy to hit heads with

if you like MK V but want more single target DPS, try a MK VIII
you trade horde clear for significantly more single target DPS

it's faster on the swing for small horde clear too

doesn't deal with big hoard as well as MK V tho

but then again, purg is better for that anyway

if you tried MK II combat axe and just hated the hitbox reg, try MK VIII
you'll probably like it a lot more than MK V if you use purg for hoard clear anyway

but if you use surg, you should use MK V

personally, i don't like limbsplitter on this, so i don't use it, but it's a solid axe fo sho

(would be better if it had 50% mobility and 80% penetration,
would be better if it had headtaker instead of thunderous,
would be better if it had 4 diamond unyielding instead of 3 diamond.

still a pretty good roll tho)

i prefer headtaker and decimator blessings

[near gale]

I never use the antox for single target dps, really... I only really use it for the horde clear and extra oomph for elite killing when needed compared to the mk 4 dueling sword.

but I almost exclusively run surge staff

[lilac tapir]

quick q: does Focused Channelling blessing have only 1 in-game effect despite web api showing different tiers?

[leaden thunder]

that the not being able to be interupted one?