psyker-class

[rocky cedar]

Trauma you mostly want warp flurry, or rending shockwave

[long orchid]

Or focused channeling or w/e the eye one is called since your in the mid line and a melee hit or shield break will interrupt cast

[rocky cedar]

I think it's pretty easy to play around not having focused with trauma without really losing any effectiveness

But it's certainly not a bad blessing

[rose lily]

what may be the 2nd best blessing on a force sword?

[cyan notch]

slaughterer

[spice veldt]

that's 1st best isn't it

[cyan notch]

im assuming he means after deflector

[dull python]

does psyker have access to brauto?

[spice veldt]

nope, only headhunters and infantry autos

[dull python]

damn what gun am I supposed to shoot

[rose lily]

right, after a %12 defelctor

[forest coral]

br auto would work as well as the headhunters for gunpsyker imo

[rocky cedar]

HHs are really good now, especially III

[dull python]

does it jam like agri hh?

[maiden wolf]

no, all they have for that is the autopistol, which if you're looking for one, pinning fire is the #1 blessing to get.

[dull python]

I would run agri hh if only it doesn't jam for evry half of the mag

who did think it's a good idea at all

[slow karma]

I keep forgetting what feats to run for purge builds. I've been bouncing around so much on other weapons it's been a long time :V

[rocky cedar]

I don't understand what you mean sorry

Agri HH feels like the worst one to me

III is just a body shot machine

[restive slate]

Vraks 3 HH one of my fave guns now ngl

[near wyvern]

It works but only on LMB and KF procs

[restive slate]

KF?

[near wyvern]

The best blessings for FS are bloodthirsty and slaughterer but GL getting a bloodthirsty

KF = kinetic flayer

[restive slate]

Ah yup I get it now

[spice veldt]

uncanny strike also seems pretty good for poking at armor without having to use your special

and it seems to increase your stagger

[near wyvern]

We should have a pinned post here for abbreviations

AB = ascendant blaze
BB = brain burst
DS = duelling sword
EH = essence harvest
FS = force sword
IT = inner tranquility
KB = kinetic barrage
KD = kinetic deflector
KF= kinetic flayer
KO = kinetic overload
KS = kinetic shielding
PA = paykineitc's aura
PC = psychic communion
PW = psykinetic's wrath (the feat)
WA = warp absorption
WB = warp battery

Did I miss something?

[sweet drift]

May as well just start using the words instead of the longest acronym list ever

Also no goofy pun nicknames like ogryn chat has we gotta fix that

[cold geode]

reroll sprint me thinks?

[cloud sequoia]

2 gift in a row i think emperor trying to tell me something

[rocky cedar]

Damn that's pretty sweet

[idle bay]

Big E suggesting you to try a Gun Psyker for a change.
And i'm suggesting Vraks MK III Headhunter , or Vraks MK VII headhunter

They feel too good , and to wrong at the same time 🙂

Used them for a day on Psyker. Felt too dirty , it's like playing with cheats , then gone back to Surge 🙂

Still using them on Vet and Zealot though

[golden tartan]

Love the VII

III is good too but not my style

[idle bay]

They are for different mood 🙂

[cloud sequoia]

Big E : "go troll your teammate with this"

Gun psyker is fine but its accatran we are talking

[idle bay]

I call it ammo-waster 🙂

[cloud sequoia]

Water hose

[idle bay]

The Avatar of Spray and Pray 🙂

[lucid horizon]

ñ

[idle bay]

It's decided - no mater no mobile-game-grade-crap item aquition+crafting system will be, after 1000th mission ( slightly less than 100 left to do) - i'm changing my negative steam review to positive.
I mean - i played 1000 mission and enjoyed that

[restive bough]

what is "soul blaze"
the feats talk about adding soul blaze to enemies ect... but nowhere does it say what soul blaze actually is

[sterile vale]

It's a white fire DOT the psyker can place on enemies with some feats and with the Purgatus staff, its damage scales up fairly rapidly with each stack compared to normal fire

I think, don't quote me on that last part

[restive bough]

just curious
does it say in game what it is? and where?

[safe crystal]

Nowhere. It just is

[sterile vale]

Not really, it's something you kinda have to figure out on your own, though it's fairly easy to do so

Do wish we had a glossary thing for this stuff, but FS gonna FS

[safe crystal]

It took them literal years to clarify what stagger and power are in VT2, so im not holding my breath

[restive bough]

okay good, so i wasn't imagining it

[sterile vale]

Warp Battery combined with Ascendant Blaze is a fairly powerful combo, anything that isn't an elite, specialist or monstrosity is basically guaranteed to die if it gets 6 stacks of soul blaze. Press F and watch an entire horde + the shooters behind it die

[golden tartan]

If u ever get the flamethrower staff, the fire it shoots out iirc is also soul blaze

[magic burrow]

funny how you never see ogryn teammates until you pickup a gun. That's when they come crawling out of the woodworks to park their fat clapping cheeks right in front of you so you cant see shit

[rare furnace]

Is that the grey axe?

That does a lot dmg

I used it very fun but Ever since I got a flame stuff 366 base stats I’m like always using that

[golden tartan]

Oh nah we were talking about Headhunters

[lethal folio]

There's a high breakpoint that needs max vs flak, 6 warp charges and nearly 80 in damage and penetration that gives scab shooter bodyshot.

Mine just barely misses it.

[coarse dagger]

upgraded 2 staffs only to get run and gun as second blessing on them..... servitor me pls hadron

[rare furnace]

Run and gun on flamer is the worst

It would be pro it worked with the hood

Hold

But nop

[coarse dagger]

yeah both purgatus staffs

it hurts

[safe crystal]

Ngl, i'd rather have run n gun than warp flurry on purg, as long as it has warp nexus. Im that far down in the copium hole

[leaden thunder]

well if warp flurry worked

it'd be pretty nice

[safe crystal]

Kind of, but purg doesnt need it that badly. Theres barely any downtime anyway

[coarse dagger]

im ready for servo slavery after this

1.6k plasteel wasted

i hope that they buff the ammount of plasteel you get

[idle bay]

Friendly Ogryn's ass ate on average more bullets than heretics who was intended targets for those bullets. Fact

Though i need to say that Disrespect for Firing Lines are common disease among Operatives.. not just Ogryns.

Zealots's back of head also ates half of each clip you fire at heretics 🙂

[left hare]

whats the new perks after the brain burst stuff

[leaden thunder]

same as before

[left hare]

I'm not up to date

[leaden thunder]

last line pick up the special into fast BB if you aren't using purge

[left hare]

and if i am using purge use ascendant blaze?

[leaden thunder]

ye

[left hare]

attacks brain burst or 6 charges now

[leaden thunder]

I take 6 charges, becuase I don't like relying on rng for it

but that's me

[rocky cedar]

It's always been 6 charges for purg

[safe crystal]

Flayer is good with surge, but you can use whichever. Ascendant blaze benefits a lot from 6 stacks

[rocky cedar]

I think 6 generally wins across pretty much all builds if you don't mind just a little micro

[left hare]

321112 for purgatus?

[rocky cedar]

Cerebral lacerations and Ult charge on elite kill both pretty legit options with Purg too

[safe crystal]

Use whichever toughness generation feels good for you. I use 121112

[leaden thunder]

for purge I like the warp charge gives toughness

[rocky cedar]

Essence harvest is usually the go to for purg

[leaden thunder]

all others I use quickening

[left hare]

i mean last time i used the peril block + quell

[rocky cedar]

Quietude is good for Surge and Trauma

I think essence harvest is a bit hard to go past with Purg

[safe crystal]

They're all good. Purgatus tends to generate a LOT of warp charges, which makes essence harvest good

[north cradle]

Am I just unlucky, because it feels like I'm generating Warp Charges even more slowly when I use Ascendant Blaze ult into a full crowd

I'm expecting the Boltgun Veterans to crunch them instantly and my stacks fill up

[near wyvern]

If I recall, the targets have to be killed by a psyker but I am not 100% sure that's correct

[trim ferry]

Yes, pretty sure they have to die to psyker dmg. The only feat that can grant a warp charge from others killing is the one in either 5 or 10 feat, and that's only a chance to

[idle bay]

Funniest Gift Big E game me this week 🙂

I mean perks are perfect already for this gun 🙂

[long wharf]

AB procs when an enemy dies while having soulblaze on it. Doesn't matter who kills it or how

[acoustic trench]

Finally, after many, many tries in Enclavum Baross Espionage, I got going out with a bang and Pick N Mix solo. Now it is time. Onto the final endeavor but I'm gonna need help for this one. Anyone willing to lend a hand?

[west stream]

I really need to get cliffhanger

every time I see an opportunity and tell team someone throws a nade lmao

[hollow lake]

@acoustic trench as someone is currently struggling to attempt those 2 penances and non monstrum, i am willing to help

if you promise to help e too ;0;

psykers challenges makes outcast engineer ones look like a walk in the park, holy emperor

[acoustic trench]

I forgot the mission name but I think it's a torrent espionage one where at the end there are two walkways onto a central room where you have to place an interogator, you can easily push enemies down there when they come.

[west stream]

Yeah, locations are not the problem

it's just someone straight up ignores request and flames / nades / charges in

Worst one was zealot setting them on fire as they fell

[hollow lake]

theres a map, in wich i forgor the name that right at the start theres an area where its easy to use your ult ability to push em off during hordes

[acoustic trench]

Sure I can help with the exploding one but pick and mix really depends on your skill, I can just cover you in Enclavum Baross for that one

[west stream]

Yeah, the investigation of hab block has good places both at start and end

if you get horde at start you have bridge

and the end area has a spot where a dozen will drop off ceiling right by a ledge

[hollow lake]

@acoustic trench am runing surge build, shouldnt be THAT hard to kill 5 elites/specials in 12 seconds, right?, RIGHT?

[west stream]

You want to do it with headpop

dont you?

[acoustic trench]

Yes

It's only with BB

[west stream]

staff is irrelevant

[acoustic trench]

You need to BB them

[west stream]

I think elite ability cool down and F BB speed up feats are about only thing you need

to optimize

[hollow lake]

the skil tree am running for surge build are basically all about popping brains, the third one from the level 30 collum

should make thigns easier

yea

[west stream]

more of a pistol main when I run BB

[acoustic trench]

You just need kinetic barage

for Pick N MIx

[west stream]

I like having firepower not related to my peril

[acoustic trench]

For Heresy+ games I prefer damanation and Surge

*purgatus and Surge

[west stream]

purgatus is good always tbh

you can carry people easily with

[hollow lake]

i just like cosplayin as palpatine and stunning the living shit out of everything

[west stream]

many don't know how to deal with large hordes

[acoustic trench]

Purgatus would be good IF I HAD A GOOD ONE 😦

[west stream]

Surge is trickier

it's great

[acoustic trench]

Surge is for controling elites

[west stream]

but it relies on your team actually using the stun to do shit

[acoustic trench]

and mutantas

and dogs

Surge and Antax axe all the way

[hollow lake]

void staff is gud too

[acoustic trench]

Void is my fav for malice

Can clear a whole corridor

with one charged strike

But it lacks in heresy+

[west stream]

void feels weaker in heresy+

Fire scales well at all difficulties

[hollow lake]

yeah

but purgatus is kinda boring imo

i'm dumb for saying this

but i will remain with surge staff

spewing lightning out of my hands is never not gonna be fun

[acoustic trench]

@hollow lake I can add you and help with your penances and then if I find two other people we can Malleus Monstrum for me.

Though with this game's population finding a full complying team may take a while

[hollow lake]

@acoustic trench that is good enough for me, better than attempting solo, i feel like my sanity is vanishing. Do you want me to dm my steam id or smth?

[acoustic trench]

Sure dm me your steam

[plucky perch]

any one else fond of kinetic barrage because of how much health 8 or 9 empowered 4 warp charge deep brain bursts can take out of a bosses hp bar?

[olive ember]

KB should be run unless you are playing AB purge staff

Yo theres one thing good about the lack of updates

its that even tho I haven't touched the game since december stuff I say still feels relevant kek

[sterile vale]

AB works fine on non-purg staffs with the changes to warp charge decay

Or with guns, for that matter

[left basin]

bleb

[west stream]

gotta get 6

more warp charges

more

[plucky perch]

i would but i find the 10% cance to secure a free brain burst far to usefull when zip zapping eleites and specials @west stream

[west stream]

kinetic flayer is fun to watch but that's all there is

more warp charges, more damage

simple as

[magic burrow]

I had some success with AB and a voidstrike staff with the soulblaze on crit blessing

[mental junco]

what is "dh", "dxxk heaven?" (deamonhost appears), "see"

that deamon host was underground

[restive bough]

why does the Quietitude (replenish 5% roughness for each 10% Peril Quelled) feat not work with Psykinetic's Wrath ability?

[long wharf]

you mean the ult?

it does

you don't get as much as you should, however

[restive bough]

i tried and i didn't get any toughness back

or weell i guess i got like

6? toughness back

which might as well be 0

if i was supposed to get 25 back

[long wharf]

yeah, you aren't getting 25% toughness back

typical FartShart incompetence

[restive bough]

so how much does it actually give?

[long wharf]

< 25%

[restive bough]

...

so anywhere between 1 and 24

that's a huge range

[long wharf]

I don't know the actual value (not sure if anyone has actually tested it, either)

I just know it's not as much as it should be

were you testing during a mission?

it's possible you were also taking damage at the same time

[spice veldt]

i'm looking through some of my gameplay and it seems to give about the correct value of 25% toughness

did you have more than 50% peril for your ult to quell? maybe there's a bug? I know that your ult seemingly won't stagger enemies if you ult while you yourself are staggered so maybe there's something similar.

[restive bough]

i had like 90% peril

[hollow lake]

managed to finish "going out with a boom" with Deamonmercer and even helped him do non monstrum

truly a productive day for psyker

[restive bough]

okay i'll try again then

[lilac tapir]

eh so they pretty much confirmed in order to "learn" a certain tier of blessing you will need to find it on existing weapon and surrender to Hadron

[long wharf]

yep, guess the idea of allowing us to upgrade stuff based on quantity was too difficult

they really went for the simplest change possible

[lilac tapir]

I guess now it makes sense to buy something from Melk just for a max tier blessing even if the weapon is crap

[long wharf]

which, if you think about it, is precisely the attitude that got us Darktide on release

[lilac tapir]

on that note, 3.5s Brutal Momentum is max tier or?

[plucky perch]

so just found out from a rare force staff emproers gift, that the rending shocwave blessing can stack up to +6 on one cast

[lilac tapir]

I think rending shockwave goes up to +8 (I think I saw someone mentioning they got +8 one)

[plucky perch]

thats alot of armour reduction

[restive bough]

@spice veldti tested again and yeah it does work properly, i wonder why it didn't the last time

[spice veldt]

fatshark works in mysterious ways

[leaden thunder]

not just armor reduction

it works a little differently then that, but that makes it better vs more targets for some weapons

[spice veldt]

it affects cleave dmg???

[leaden thunder]

more targets as in more different enemies then just those with armor

not more targets per hit

[spice veldt]

o

[idle bay]

Show warpkaerkery is going on.
3 Separate missins, 2 different Ogryns - both running FASTER than cocaine pumped knife zealot. And it's that - just running crazy fast, no attack animation or anything.
WTF was that?

Some new glitch?

[spice veldt]

probably just a high mobility roll on their cleavers

[leaden thunder]

not that I am aware of, high mobility will only do so much

was it constant running at high speed

[spice veldt]

i think it has the same mobility scaling as the combat blade

[idle bay]

Yes! No dodging or sliding

[leaden thunder]

ogryn chage increases movement speed is the only thing Ican think of

[idle bay]

But that bonus speed lasted forever

[hollow lake]

ogryn be zoomin

[lilac tapir]

it's possible they modified their speed just like some folks did back in December/Jan with the height (giant characters)

[north cradle]

Okay so I've come to the conclusion that I shouldn't run AB without Purgatus because I think it got nerfed so that the enemy actually has to die to the Soulblaze, so back to KB

Next decision is whether I should run Essence Harvest or Warp Absorption with a Voidstrike

[lilac tapir]

the AB description says the enemy killed by SB effect so I always assumed it worked that way, was it not the case?

[north cradle]

If it worked that way in the past, I must have been incredibly lucky, because usually hordes would die to Boltguns before the Soulblaze would kill them

[still hearth]

The fun thing is that the Boltgun doesn't actually kill poxwalkers in one shot

So its very likely it didn't take the kill and instead you got it from burn

[tiny belfry]

I traded off harvest for yours, and I gotta agree it procs way more often. Gonna run that now

[idle bay]

And again... i did tricky Penance without trying to do it by accident.
First it was "On Ovewatch" when i go into melee and hug ragers and still got it.
And now i played like a zealot on Frenzon on my Psyker and got "Untochable"

[north cradle]

You say that, but when you're shooting into hordes, you're typically not firing one shot

[still hearth]

Sure but the Boltgun actually has poor penetration

[idle bay]

And today i killed pouncing Pox Hound by jumping into it in the air....

[slow karma]

Goomba stomped his ass

[idle bay]

I mean the amount of bugs with those hounds is staggering!

[idle bay]

Jumped over charging Mutant with my Ogryn yesterday 🙂

Uneven surface allowed it

[slow karma]

Nice

[wet bay]

So... I forget how long has it been... Maybe a week? Anyways, I decided to give Psyker a try after having done Veteran and Zealot. I actually enjoyed it a lot more than I expected to. I just 30'd my dude today. So... Many... Voices...

[iron marten]

Now you know what all the buzz buzz buzz buzz was about, eh?

[north cradle]

What's the buzzing quote about, anyway? I hear it from both the Fr*nch psyker and the Daemonhost

[leaden thunder]

just normal warp stuff

likely due to being near nurgle corruption they hear flies buzzing

[broken quail]

All I hear is bussin

[north cradle]

This is the ninth time I've looked at the store and my psyker has a badass lasgun waiting for him

Meanwhile on my Veteran

Angery

[still hearth]

That autogun is basically a free Doomguy gameplay though

[north cradle]

Doomguy doesn't own an assault rifle but I get it

I think it'd be closer to a low-tier Duke Nukem

[still hearth]

Doomguy definitely owns an assault rifle

[north cradle]

That model isn't really indicative of anything, it's just a stand-in for the pistol

And also the shotgun

[still hearth]

I hate that the DT shotgun feels like the Doom combat shotgun

Except the damage is

So trash

It makes all the right sounds and feels heavy

[north cradle]

I get why you think he owns a rifle, but it's not really

[still hearth]

Then it shoots peas

[cold geode]

It was great in the of October beta then they seem to have nerfed the shit out of it

[still hearth]

Well https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fn3hEwdlOyI

[north cradle]

Ohh right Doom 2016

[still hearth]

That gun also slaps so it makes sense

[north cradle]

I don't remember using it that much, it was mostly the Railgun and the Super Shotgun

[still hearth]

I think Doom Eternal was the game I swapped between all guns all the time

Because of how the ammo system worked

Idk if it was the same in 2016

[north cradle]

So in Doom 2016, you had a larger ammo capacity

In Doom Eternal, your ammo pool is so small that the game is pushing you to either conserve ammo pickups on the map until you're low, or to chainsaw small fry

I don't think the rifle in Doom Eternal was particularly good at anything that my other weapons couldn't do better, so it sits on my least used weapon pile

Shotgun grenades didn't give me tunnel vision, Railgun accomplished the same goal as the sniper upgrade for the assault rifle but using the Plasma Rifle ammo which I only really used for ghostbusting

I use the Plasma Rifle slightly more than the Assault Rifle, but also I haven't touched Doom Eternal since The Ancient Gods Part 2 came out, so I think it fell out of my memory

Also Psykers used to be able to use the shotgun also, I dunno why that was changed either

I feel like Gun Psyker could use a horde clearing option since he lacks grenades and a good horde-clearing melee weapon, and either shotguns or braced autoguns would have solved that

[maiden wolf]

If FatShark gave Psyker a unique gun, what would y'all want it to be?

[still hearth]

A gun that shoots tiny Veterans

[delicate smelt]

Needs more dakka

[ornate hamlet]

I want unique gun-blessings for Psyker. Replace trash blessings with Psyker specific ones (like Soulblaze stacks on Crit with Autogun, stuff like that)

At least then it would make sense that there's no shared inventory between different characters. Instead everything is just so basic and lazy. It's like everything is a place-holder

[digital loom]

psyker already has a unique gun

its called a staff

[olive cairn]

Why does the game deluge us with guns in both shops and gifts? I haven't seen a new surge staff in a week

[mortal breach]

Honestly, I agree with @ornate hamlet that psyker-specific blessings for existing guns would make all the difference. Same goes for special attacks. Laspistol is the only one that has a psyker blast pushback animation. Make those small changes more common and have interesting implications.

The only weapon I can see being a possibility is a Force Rod, but I can't even think of how to make that any different from a staff. Force Axes and Hammers should already be a thing.

I'd personally love to see the autoguns and stub revolver get a unique psyker special. Maybe a quick one-two psychic stun-and-shot at point blank with the revolver. Autoguns could get psychically-charged bullets for a short time a la Psybolt Ammunition at the cost of peril per shot?

[maiden wolf]

I'm making a force glaive concept that generates peril like a staff does in exchange for greater cleave. Special attack key will empower the weapon. Increasing its range and cleave in exchange for peril generation while empowered. The light attacks would be a series of stabs that can penetrate multiple enemies while empowered, and the heavy would be a power-sword style slash.

[mortal breach]

Force Halberds are a thing used by Grey Knights. They definitely have a place

I'd also love to see Warding Staves be implemented to give psykers a support option similar to ogryn

Though we may be treading into class-divergent territory

[restive slate]

Only thing I fear is things becoming lorebreaking, this Penal Legion already got a really high number of Psykers for example

[rocky cedar]

My mate sent me this pic last night

Not as cursed as it could be but pretty cursed

[restive slate]

That's the wettest towel of a taxe I've ever seen

[forest coral]

it will remind the heretics that they've been very naughty and need to sit in the corner of the room

and not do heresy again

[lilac tapir]

btw does a +2 wounds curio exist as some people claim (although extremely rare)? via the api addon you can see that both Survivor III and Survivor IV grant +1 wounds - so weird considering all other blessings scale with tiers but this one doesn't seem to and if it doesn't scale why give it tiers at all

[rocky cedar]

As far as I know +1 is the highest

[dusty zenith]

i actually bought one to test, doesn't seem to have a difference on the wounds bars

[rocky cedar]

Irrelevant because you shouldn't be running it either way

[maiden wolf]

Not this argument again

[lilac tapir]

I know that a lot of people would use +2 wounds if it existed, regardless of whether they are god at this game or not (or so they claim) 🙂

[cyan notch]

nah 1 is the highest rn doesnt matter the rating

[lilac tapir]

my guess is Red curios will give +2 eventually (blessing tier V)

[cyan notch]

personally i wouldnt use wounds even if it was 2

[rocky cedar]

I'll stop hating on wound curios when the wound users in my PUGs stop being consistently terrible

[rocky cedar]

Would and should are two very different things 😉

[forest coral]

5+ wounds chad vs 2 wound weakling

[rocky cedar]

Stamina is the true Chad play

[forest coral]

Very true

[rocky cedar]

+9 stam gamers

[dusty zenith]

0 curios for the hardcore players

[rocky cedar]

Never stop sprinting

[rocky cedar]

Yeah but it's funnier to run non optimal stuff over nothing at all

[lilac tapir]

Actually 3x +3 stam useful for rushing 25 lvl 1 missions, paired with a knife I believe? I saw two Preachers once rushing the train station map (where you defend a train at the end) and they somehow got to the platform where the dropship arrives before the bridge was active and just hid behind the crates to avoid being shot at, eventually the stage completed itself and they won the mission this way while I and the other guy were captured (we both joined in progress and died due to entire map of enemies being on top of us. It was.... interesting experience haha.

[cyan notch]

hab dreyko faster tbh

[lilac tapir]

I assume they were using the train map cause you can afk the last bit if you use the exploit to get to the evac platform before the bridge is active (I assume they use Preacher "rush" ability to get there but I didn't see it happen so not 100% sure how they got there).

should I? and if so, what would be the recommended rerolls on perks and blessings

[forest coral]

Slaughterer and kinetic deflection i think

[lilac tapir]

do you mean to keep Exorcist and reroll the other one to either Slaughterer or Deflector blessing?

[shut ether]

Wounds are a noob trab. Just don't go down 4head

I just can't imagine giving up HP/Toughness/Stam in favor of wounds

I push to talk broken?

[digital loom]

i run 5 wounds

for two reasons

the first is to go without healing when there are other people at 1 wound

the second is because i can use explosion for damage

popping off is occasionally a great way to give everyone some breathing room

only class i run wounds on is psyker, lol

[forest coral]

I was meming when i said that

i literally have 240+ hp on my psyker lol

[cyan notch]

and then now they have to play with 3 players and have to try to res you

for what 300 damage

you can just press f

[fresh halo]

Ah yes. Sure thing, Rannick. Will certainly do.

[rare furnace]

Uhh how did you have max lvl hood before level 30 cinematic

[slow karma]

I can't imagine it's impossible to finish the penances before you hit that point

[rare furnace]

Second character

Maybe two psykers share helmets and skins

[slow karma]

While odd, that wouldn't surprise me either

[rare furnace]

For the voice actor maybe he wanted or just to have the one cinematic maxed

[elfin citrus]

penances are shared across same characters

so the unlocks are as well

[fresh halo]

I restarted my Psyker, and I had already done all penances

Same reason as to why my second vet is level 1 and already wearing all T3 penance armor.

[rare furnace]

I see

Restarted ?

Create new you mean

[fresh halo]

No, no, restarted

As in, same name, same face, same voice

[rare furnace]

Well that’s something

I would try the German one if I made new from the start

All my characters are serious for some reason

[fresh halo]

Well, I do love the Seer's voice

I know people are tired of the Beloved banter, but I honestly find it quite charming

[eternal dagger]

Hey guys, can anyone tank for me as Ogryn on Lights Out mission? I need Malleus penance for the skin, I'll help you with whatever you need too

[fresh halo]

My first veteran, my main, is a Loose Cannon

[fresh halo]

Sure thing

My Psyker is a Seer, and the only reason I restarted him is because of my OCD

[eternal dagger]

Pmed you my steam profile

[fresh halo]

Main character isn't top of the list and I can't move him because Psyker is on top ?

Fuck it, remove the Psyker and start again.

Now Psyker is second place as it should and all is well

[slender plaza]

thats some very real ocd lmao

[fresh halo]

Not even sure you'd call it that, to be honest

I find it hard to put labels on stuff

[slender plaza]

in any case thats some weirdly compulsive decision
lets spend 15 hours to re level a character because the one i want to be on top isnt

[shut ether]

That's just called being unemployed

[slender plaza]

im unemployed and i wouldnt do that

[rare furnace]

I hope they don’t update a scroll button swap any time soon

[slender plaza]

shts too far lmao

[rare furnace]

Caxaxaxaaxax

[fresh halo]

[shut ether]

[fresh halo]

Honestly, I like Darktide's gameplay, so I don't mind

Done it a few times already

Twice for my Veterans, and once for my Zealot

[shut ether]

I enjoy it too but I need a full game

[rare furnace]

Guys stop cahanashba come on let’s just agree that he did it to have the one max levels skin psyker on the cinematic and flex it on YouTube maybe that’s productive

I geuss

[slender plaza]

need more maps. and more map bug fixing

[cyan notch]

what is chanashba

[rare furnace]

I was laughing in givris

Gybrish

[shut ether]

Fix the Warp flurry bug pls FS

[rare furnace]

What bug?

[slender plaza]

yeah cholo what bug the game is perfect

[shut ether]

It doesn't work on voidstrike

[rare furnace]

Ouf

[shut ether]

ikr

What curios have you guys settled into?

For me Toughness, HP and Stam

I like the even spread

Toughness regen on all 3

[slender plaza]

there are so many painfully obvious bugs that made through beta, through gold certification, and still remain broken now

[shut ether]

Game was released in early access without the title forsure

[slender plaza]

hp and toughness obviously depending on which i focus for each class. maybe a stam curio.
good perks imo are stam regen, ally revive speed, cd reduction

guard efficiency is situational

[shut ether]

CD reduction feel great on Psyker

[forest coral]

I stacked hp and minor toughness

[slender plaza]

the thing about hp is once you are out of toughness you lose so much stagger resis

as in you get staggered to hell by any damage resource

[forest coral]

I couldn’t find justification for psyker toughness

[shut ether]

Very true but you lose toughness so fast I feel like it's better just to regen it fast

[forest coral]

It got shredded too quickly compared to vet or zealot

[shut ether]

YOu need at least a single stamina curio otherwise you're walking around with like 2 lol

[forest coral]

And the thing is, once your tough is gone, psyker melts from stubbing their toe

[shut ether]

True

[rare furnace]

My 1 wound curio has 4 life and bomb resist I can rerol should I aim for that 4-5 toughness?

[shut ether]

A light breeze

Bomb resist isn't needed imo

[forest coral]

A mere sneeze and boom, deadge

[slender plaza]

i dont think the extra 90 health helps all that much if you find yourself without toughness often, but thats just me

[shut ether]

It depends on playstyle too so noone is right necessarily

[forest coral]

Oh it helps immensely in damnation but ye

Depending on playstyle for your psyker

[rare furnace]

Does more health last longer on cursorily

Curraprion

[slender plaza]

like i run full hp on my ogryn and i fkin hate it when my toughness is gone

[forest coral]

Tough regens pretty freely for this class with quietude or burn essence harvests builds

But it also just vanishes as fast. I personally went for mitigating as much hp loss %from chip as possible

[rare furnace]

Il just max my curios to gold and see latter

[forest coral]

You mean corruption?

[rare furnace]

Yeahh

[obtuse cliff]

Wen staff as psyker

[forest coral]

Ah yep! The non grimoir version of corrupt resist helps a lot with beast of nurgle, green flamered or pox bombed

Or at least able to take a bit more before the corruption totally wrecks your max hp

[rare furnace]

Does it prevent the damage or does it leave you space to heal though

[forest coral]

It mitigates

[rare furnace]

So it’s better than resistance to a specific

Because if the specific get you you get corrupted

[forest coral]

Yeah basically

Ofc especially if Grims are found early

[rare furnace]

When I started I thought it was stupid stat xD

[forest coral]

Easy to see who has resists and who doesn’t

Back in vermintide it was such an important stat since books basically meant how good ur end game drops were

But this time around it also helps with the max hp drop

[rare furnace]

Something they said they will improve your emperors gift?

Or just juicier reward on ordo

I forgot the letter

After patch

[forest coral]

I didn’t read the letter

[cyan notch]

also grims in vt2 were an instant chunk off your hp so might as well get resist

[forest coral]

Ya

[rare furnace]

Letter is good

Makes you feel like they’ll do it tommorow

If tommorow was end of month

[rare furnace]

I accidentally red your bio now I can’t unsee the bursting of the warp

😂😂

[forest coral]

But ya, fat shark and delivering open promises never really gives you an accurate time line

[rare furnace]

It just like uni where you write the rest but you get grade if you passed the lesson after who knows when

[forest coral]

It’s a shame the lesson they took from vermintide is “hey, fans will still play our unfinished shit”

[rare furnace]

Man it’s a double AA GAME RIGHT?

[forest coral]

H u e

[rare furnace]

Most titles are triple A

But it happens that 1A games budget are more complete as games or even indie games

You know you got something workin

[forest coral]

I dunno man, Hi Fi rush clearly showed me that games can be done right and be loved by a AAA company

[rare furnace]

My biggest turn off is when I win round and instead of going to hub and check shop I crush and have to re open I crush on win screen the one thing that should make @w feel rewarded and chill

[forest coral]

But its just stupid that AAA means we should lower our expectations because it’s most likely gonna be unfinished lol

[rare furnace]

Yeah I think dt is double AA and haven’t heard at for a while

Like company’s skip to triple aaa

[shut ether]

Personally I like rolling XP on my curios

Got it max stacked

Big fan

[rare furnace]

Might

[forest coral]

Most sane psyker

[rare furnace]

Be op agter patch

[forest coral]

Promises need to be delivered than maybe good lol

[rare furnace]

We gonna put progress on emperor gift instead of luck

[shut ether]

Grims will actually be worth

[rare furnace]

You know what I miss

[shut ether]

YOu know HOW THEY DID IT IN THEIR LAST GAME

[rare furnace]

Finding paintings

Broo

[shut ether]

Painting were cool. I still think they never did enough with the keep concept

[forest coral]

I miss the keeps jump puzzle

[rare furnace]

Here we don’t even got a room

[forest coral]

I was trash at it and kept messing it up for hours

[shut ether]

And no more peer ro peer hosting so moding is out of the question

It's wild becauser the core of the game is amazing but so many decisions presumably made by execs to make this a mobile game

[rare furnace]

Funny thing is that more areas in the ship exist in cinematic see just will never see them

GIVE ME THE BAR AND CHAIR TO SIT ON OMG

[shut ether]

LET ME SLIDE IN THE LOBBY

[forest coral]

A mess hall with small mini games would be amazing

I know roleplayers at least would love that stuff

[shut ether]

If only they would learn from DRG

[rare furnace]

Funniest thing you can do in lobby rn

[shut ether]

Oh I gotta try this

[rare furnace]

Yeah you can stack your camera to the wall from some angle

[forest coral]

Yee, I read up some of the lore on the ships

[rare furnace]

And

[forest coral]

Lorewise it should be like a city

So where are all the weird novelty stuff like our own rooms

[rare furnace]

We gonna get a shop next year from the first dlc for sure

[forest coral]

[rare furnace]

Let’s just have toilets and do sexy stuff with Ogryn there

It’s gonna be a scary corridor

[forest coral]

What happens in the ogryn dorms, stays in the ogryn dorms

[rare furnace]

Keemo where you from fam

[forest coral]

I’m from the warp tainted land known as Australia

[rare furnace]

Btw maybe the bar is on the above floor

It has some bridges and maybe at some point we get tiny elevator

You know like that thing that looks like tiny room

[rare furnace]

OH THE LAND OF MAJOR KILL

[forest coral]

Haha yupp, you know something you could spend resources to decorate would be kinda cool

[rare furnace]

I think it’s hard to get dorms right next to the main area of shops would be more important stuff next to it

[forest coral]

And yet be another resource sink, but still.

[rare furnace]

Wanna here something funny

Backpacks haha

[forest coral]

Sure

[rare furnace]

Spend on that 100k ordos

Emotes are going to be fun

[forest coral]

Yeah what’s up with back pieces

They better not all be cash shop

[rare furnace]

I like seeing my player do stuff with his skins

[rare furnace]

Preacher has a book for free that’s all we know

[forest coral]

Wait, they do?

[rare furnace]

A big tome

From the first trailer

You know with the eyepatxh

Not in the game rn

[forest coral]

Oooh

Yeah was gonna say

I personally hope it’s gonna be some kind of wearable aura effect that you unlock from the difficulty of missions u completed

Cause that would be cool

[rare furnace]

Silly me though they brought backpacks but it was those two weapons only even that ogryn skin doesn’t exist yet

Back from the deluxe edition exist as well

[forest coral]

Finished product moment

[north cradle]

I also want to hear our operative talk with the NPCs like in Vermintide

Sire Melk: Let me know if you need the longer words explaining.
Seer Psyker: I could very well dream you out of my world if I was a little more lucid today.

Hadron: Your weaponry is a gift from the Omnissiah. Treat it with care!
Loose Cannon: A little dirt's never hurt a Guardsman, the machine spirit can survive!

[small whale]

is this good

[north cradle]

I don't think either of those perks are doing you any favours, but replacing mob damage with Maniac would be good I think

That First Target modifier seems kinda sus

I think First Target is how you maximise your special attack, if someone can confirm or deny that

[forest coral]

yes for first target

to be honest that sword is already very solid

but shame about the perks tho

the 8% vs groaners wouldnt be too awful imo

[leaden thunder]

i'd take it over crit damage

[forest coral]

yeah, would help out with the swords decent horde cleave

[ornate hamlet]

no

you want as much damage, first target, and finesse as you can get.
mobility only needs to be 50% or higher.
warp resist you want as much as you can get, but it isn't as important as the others.
you can always use staff to quell if you need to

[ornate hamlet]

finesse is also attack speed btw

[maiden wolf]

I'

I'd grab it just for the blessing

[maiden wolf]

I got all my preferred contracts without any rerolls this week!

[cyan notch]

impressive, very nice

[north cradle]

If I have a weapon whose Cleave Targets modifier hits 6.45 enemies, does that mean it hits 7 enemies and does reduced damage to the seventh?

[rare sand]

These blessings any good from Sir Milk 🐮 haven't used daggers much so I am not sure what would be solid.

[spice veldt]

I know that bleed Blessings + Mercy Killer (+weak spot dmg on bleeding enemies) is pretty good
Uncanny Strike is also nice
I'm not sure how people feel about Haymaker on the knife, since I don't know if it counts the push-attack as a chained heavy hit

[still hearth]

It's not actually targets but hit mass. If you've not exceeded your hit mass count you'll continue to do damage based on the cleave distribution of your weapon. Cleave targets doesn't change the damage you do, just how much mass you can cut through.

But for poxwalkers that have 1 hitmass you'd hit up to 7 of them and deal damage to each based on the weapons hidden damage distribution

[still hearth]

It does not count the push attack. Haymaker is basically a Bulwark/Crusher killer only.

And Smackdown is garbage.

I'd say Uncanny Strike and Executor is the best for the Knife on Psyker. Bleed and Mercy Kill isn't nearly as good, except maybe against bosses.

[rare sand]

Yeah I wasn't sure if it was worth the blessings for their tier. Do we know if blessings are specific weapon once sacrificed or not?

[still hearth]

They said they'd be weapon specific in the second to last post

As the system is shaping up to be and how those blessings are atm, I wouldn't buy it for melkies

[ornate hamlet]

Oh man, yeah! More Psyker specific force Special Attacks on weapons would be lovely! The force push on the Laspistol is just really cool and almost makes the gun worth taking into missions (I guess it's ok on Malice and below for me). I love the idea of Warp charged special for Autoguns, too. That'd be fun

[still hearth]

All they'd have to do is make the laspistol force push work on flak

And I'd use it

[cyan notch]

its so weird lol

idk why they dont just make it consistent

[olive ember]

so

I haven't been following much of the "updates"

well news of updates

is the crafting system they are implementing NextWeekTM decent or nah?

[cyan notch]

we'll have to see the droprates and blessings from missions

theyre locking the other blessing like perks

[spice veldt]

it's still not a system that should be called "crafting", but it looks decent besides the blessing lock

i only hope that the blessing stuff uses more diamantine than plasteel

[still hearth]

At least now you only need a good base, a good perk and a good blessing

Instead of two good blessings

[spice veldt]

and good bases would then be able to be farmed with dockets

[still hearth]

And getting drops every run should hopefully make it much easier too

[spice veldt]

it sucks that we can't just have a singular good stat roll on a weapon and have that as a weapon that we can customize, but it'll probably be quite a step up from what we have

oh yeah; the emperor's gifts changes scaling with difficulty now and whatnot

and being every mission completed

[rocky cedar]

I'm glad I set up another rule for T3+ slaughterer recently

My word

Might have missed that

[still hearth]

Unless they nerf the gifts that'll be the best way to farm blessings

[cyan notch]

current emp gift quality for damnation hi intensity + secondary objective

[rocky cedar]

I'm super not psyched for emp gift tied to secondary objectives TBH

[cyan notch]

malice and below u get whites

[rocky cedar]

Got so sick of mandatory books in VT2 runs

I'm currently very happy to be able to ignore books on Heresy and up generally

Lame mechanic TBH

[still hearth]

Always take books

For memes

[spice veldt]

i usually stick to maps with easy book locations

like consignment yard which is quite possibly the most linear map, or any map that's not green

[rocky cedar]

I still don't know books locations very well TBH

Seem to frequently miss one

[spice veldt]

i have a decent idea since I like to run around for mats; like on the magistrati assassination mission, there's a scrip hidden in like this small corner down the stairs across from a medicae

[near wyvern]

Why not? Gives a reason to pick them up instead of just meaningless amount of xp and dockets

[fierce sinew]

making more challenging runs proportionately more rewarding seems like a straightforwardly good idea

[uneven drift]

A lot of pugs still have problems in heresy

[strange wigeon]

It will more or less destroy what little player quality there is in damnation lobbies

[ornate hamlet]

I think this may prove true. As far as pugs are concerned, I currently enjoy playing Damnation with randoms because those are often the people who simply play for fun.

[strange wigeon]

In VT2 they accidentally stumbled onto a great system by having Cataclysm difficulty have the same rewards as legend so people played Cata for fun and challenge

[ornate hamlet]

Well I hope that system continues into DT because then the reward hunters can play together with all the penance hunters

[strange wigeon]

Already announced you get better loot with higher difficulty and secondaries, expect every hi5 secondary mission to have at least 1 heresy player looking to get carried

Similar situation happened with Chaos wastes Cata because it gave out special frames for clearing on cata

[ornate hamlet]

Yeah, I've come to expect the worst from any change Fatshark makes to the game. At least with expectations lower than my grave I can't really get disappointed

[rocky cedar]

Again I've been through this cycle already with VT2. It's just a dull chore that removes mechanics (medkit/ammo kit slot) and in grims' case gives less margin for error. Mechanically dull and gets very tedious on repeat.

In VT2 Legend loot farming people would often just throw runs taking grims when the team already wasn't coping. If you were with a competent team in the first place it just slowed the run with detours. Cata was a breath of fresh air where nobody cared about books, and coming into Darktide books being decentralised has just been an overall positive thing in my experience.

[spice veldt]

at the very least, we can block players or attempt to grief them with barrels

[fading galleon]

good, hi5 was too easy anyway

[rocky cedar]

Books are already incentivised enough by weeklies

[strange wigeon]

Carrying is not fun

[rocky cedar]

That's enough to where they're present in gameplay but not ever present. It's a good balance IMO

[fading galleon]

put on your big boy pants and show them how it's done. 💪

[strange wigeon]

And you don't pug

[fading galleon]

I pug sometimes

I was being moderately facetious though, I'm sure it's going to get annoying also

[ornate hamlet]

I pug all the times. I've had good fun playing with people in the LFG channel, but I just want to jump into the game and see what I get.

People are the real RNG I want

[wet belfry]

The obvlious veteran

The rushing zealot

The surge spamming psyker

The shield ogryn.

[spice veldt]

then all the kills get fed to you

[wet belfry]

Wonderful players all of them

[rocky cedar]

I do definitely think the average quality of player in Heresy and Damn feels better to me than VT2 Legend and I absolutely put the lack of rewards as a part of that

As counter intuitive as it sounds I'd kinda like Damn at least to stay as a just for the challenge kind of thing

[zinc ether]

Because DT is much easier than VT2

[rocky cedar]

I disagree but I think that's bound to be very subjective

[spice veldt]

at the same time, I also want to get some pretty good rewards for the difficulty and time put into it

[rocky cedar]

Yeah I get that, which is why I say counter-intuitive

[spice veldt]

it's a balance between bad players introducing themselves into higher difficulties and the material system

yeah

i get the sentiment

i personally lean towards the "more mats" side

[zinc ether]

Let me restate then : DT is much more forgiving, between the wounds system and the abundance of heal throughout a map, it is easier to both stay alive and save a run gone tits up in Darktide.

[olive ember]

I mean I didn't particularly like VT2 loot system tbh, like it felt like a pain in the ass to have to gimp yourself just to get a decent chance at a red

[rocky cedar]

It's just where I'm at after >1000 hours in VT2 going through its entire cycle from pre release beta

[olive ember]

like I wanna just run the hardest difficulty without eating two grims but then its like a 1% drop

[rocky cedar]

But I completely understand it doesn't really make sense from a general game design perspective

[olive ember]

so in a counterintuitive sense I kinda like that grims are completely useless except for weeklies... means less reason to pick em up XD

[rocky cedar]

Yes and no. VT2 had a heap of saving ults that could trivialise reviving, and you didn't have to factor in as many ranged enemies potentially interrupting you

[strange wigeon]

Vt had an awful loot system, both vt1 and 2. Vt2 mada a fantastic one in Winds of magic athanor but it was just in a mode no one played

[rocky cedar]

So yes DT kinda looks more generous with the wounds and such, but in practice I feel like saving a run going south was more consistent in VT2

But of course I do have like quadruple the hours in VT2 than DT

So I fully accept that probably biases my feelings significantly there

[olive ember]

Its weird because with so much rng between the stats, the perks, the blessing even just the weapon itself, it almost feels like darktide was designed to function as a looter shooter in that aspect

[rocky cedar]

It seems like just "player retention" tactics implemented in an overkill fashion too thoughtlessly

[spice veldt]

probably just the commonality that looter shooters and DT's current system have a lot of rng

[rocky cedar]

I still think there must be some devs that have been there a long time that have a MASSIVE hard on for RNG

Because it's a very long running theme

[strange wigeon]

Yep, since vt 1

[olive ember]

its also prob a coincidence but darktides crafting sounds similar to the division 2's "weapon optimization"

[rocky cedar]

It's pretty much a meme at this point that FS will spend its entire game's lifecycle tweaking and making their RNG systems more bearable only to reset back to square 1 if not square 0 upon the next game's release

[olive ember]

where you can swap out a perk but everything else is locked

idk if they will get the chance tbh

like PS02 NGS did the same thing they did in PS02 base back in like the 2000's, which was drip feed content over teh span of 8 years

but people finished PS02 NGS in like 3 days, ran out of content, and the MMO died

[rocky cedar]

In a year DT will likely be a legitimately good game, but that is assuming it doesn't start becoming such a money sink it gets shut down

Both Vermintide games were eventually great

And believe it or not this pace of post launch activity is just about unprecedented for them

[olive ember]

Its weird how gaming standards have both risen and fallen

[rocky cedar]

Like this is them moving really fast compared to previous games

[olive ember]

like apparently VT2 also had a rly bad launch but FS got away with that

[rocky cedar]

Because in the end it was good, I think a lot of people eventually forgave them

[olive ember]

dunno if they'll get away with darktide but as of now the reviews are rly bad

[ornate hamlet]

With the amount of stupid decisions I've seen from Fatshark I'd actually put money on them doubling down and becoming the poster child for the sunk-cost fallacy in video games

[rocky cedar]

And this did improve in some significant ways

But DT is a huge step backwards without doubt

[olive ember]

and idk where they'll be able to go from 27% well received

[rocky cedar]

It was probably less extreme but still pretty bad with Winds of Magic release

I think they can claw their way back in time

[olive ember]

on the other hand tho, gamers have basically accepted microtransactions in their games

which is kinda E but its how the gaming landscape is like

[strange wigeon]

Darktide had it way rougher and VT 2 launched with a lot more content than base VT1

[olive ember]

How bad were the reviews for No Man's Sky when it first launched again?

[rocky cedar]

FS was pretty up front when they started putting premium cosmetics in VT2 that it was a trade for free maps and modes that had always been paid DLC before

[olive ember]

cuz thats basically the go to redemption story

besides like ffxiv

[rocky cedar]

They did indeed release the excellent Drachenfels maps and the entire Chaos Wastes mode for free and both were very popular

So I think most in the community felt it was a pretty fair trade

Since it also avoided splitting community with DLC maps

Which is a pretty big plus

[olive ember]

ah yea, I was referring to just gaming in general, like Diablo Immortal and the battlepasses etc. etc.

[rocky cedar]

Oh yeah, I get you

[olive ember]

Darktides own FOMO shop comes to mind, granted it did receive backlash, but if the game was even mostly complete I have a feeling most people wouldn't have cared

atleast I wouldn't have, as long as it was cosmetic only

[ornate hamlet]

If they had released a fully completed game then no one would have batted an eye at the cosmetics shop

[rocky cedar]

Yeah I do think 90% of that backlash comes from the other issues with the game at its core

[strange wigeon]

it was just an easy target for criticism

[ornate hamlet]

The FOMO shop was just the cherry on top of a stinky shit pie

[olive ember]

I heard people talking about how the crafting system won't even get many players back and it won't change the state of the gameplay much and its like

[rocky cedar]

The crafting update probably indeed won't bring large numbers of people back, but it will pave the way for future content updates to be that much more alluring

[olive ember]

well you aren't wrong tbh, but at the same time its also since they've been promising crafting since and I'd like to see something delivered at some time in my lifespan

yeah

tho the whole locking bs is a pain in teh ass

I already hate it in the division, i'm going to hate it in this game

it really is the same damn crafting as the division 2

like no joke

you can swap out one trait, locks the rest

[strange wigeon]

That's why people use it to deflect criticism"it doesn't have crafting and has premium cosmetics, so what, I just like slaying heretics", sure buddy, come back in a week when you can try out new builds cause RNGsus didnt bless you

[rocky cedar]

Locking thing doesn't bother me nearly as much as general crafting mat economy TBH

[olive ember]

the trait you swap out must first be acquired by grabbing the trait off another weapon

its all complete rng

because rng stats, rng traits, rng perks

rng weapon

[strange wigeon]

Locking things is awful

[zinc ether]

"Build variety" is such a scam though, shit works or it doesn't; we don't have that rich an ecosystem

[strange wigeon]

Just piles onto the RNG

[rocky cedar]

For sure, but with Emp gifts every mission and higher general quality of shop + melk increase lots of little factors should come together to makes your chances of good stuff a large amount better

As well as easier weeklies

[olive ember]

I mean for psyker specifically theres a couple different staff "builds" but tbh it all boils down to "number goes up good" and the same few perks/traits

[rocky cedar]

Better crafting mats will mean the ability to gamble more on consecration as well. I don't like that they're not doing blessing combining anymore but overall I think it will be fine enough

[olive ember]

like the only point of contest is between, communion/aura, warp battery/kinetic flayer, and ascendant blaze/kinetic barrage in terms of the good perks on psyker

[rocky cedar]

Depending on how big these number tweaks are of course

[olive ember]

idk I just hate locking in general, especially if theres no way to undo something

[strange wigeon]

Yeah but the bad blessing system makes it that some weapons just dob't work without certain blessings. Headtaker on heavy sword for example, without it the weapon is just a cooked psgeti

Of the mom variety

[rocky cedar]

I've never been BP obsessed in Tide games so perk lock doesn't bother me that much, near enough feels good enough to me usually. Blessings you'll be able to kinda guarantee just you won't be able to guarantee the level of one of them

[olive ember]

Blessings either make the weapon or are completely garbage

[rocky cedar]

Again near enough is good enough regarding blessing level in most cases honestly

[strange wigeon]

So it just piles onto the RNG pile

of frustration

[olive ember]

like the biggest reason people ran FS was because deflector allowed them to ignore ranged enemies while reviving (it was a "bug" yep yep), and now theres basically no reason to run deflector or FS outside of special killing, which isn't even the psyker's job

[rocky cedar]

They absolutely need to hard rebalance blessings

Like heavy sword needs to have a lot of head takers power moved to base then let it have the same head taker blessing as everything else

[olive ember]

that one "bugfix" alone has basically stopped me from coming back actually because I invested alot into a decent Deflector + Slaughterer FS and their no fun allowed "bugfix" tilts me everytime I open up the game and see my FS

[rocky cedar]

Also take slaughterer off power sword for fuck's sake that's so dumb

[spice veldt]

the slaughterer stacks on the power sword also lasts longer than the force sword's :)

[rocky cedar]

Also also why does FS only get 2 second duration slaughterer? Very weird anomaly

[olive ember]

FS has less dodge range and slower quell speed and worse horde clearing then basically all the other "meta" melee options psyker has

[rocky cedar]

Of all weapons to go "welp need to tune down slaughterer a bit just for that one" how is FS not like your last possible choice besides maybe Chaxe

[olive ember]

Oh yeah they also nerfed peril blocking... sorry another "bugfix"

[spice veldt]

guardbreak change was pretty goated tho

[olive ember]

its good if you run antax... means literally nothing to me since I run FS

[strange wigeon]

Slaught affects everything you do with the weapon in hand, use 6 charges ult with AB and fs in hand to kill elites on damnation

It's silly but it works

[spice veldt]

oh that wasn't fixed?

[strange wigeon]

Like I think even thrust still works

So you wave an axe like a madman

To encourage the flames

[spice veldt]

oh wait with the weapon in hand yeah

[olive ember]

I mean another thing is that the casual difficulty, which is what I normally play on when I just wanna kill time

[rocky cedar]

Yeah peril block nerf was once again almost exclusively a nerf to FS

It was probably more of a buff to my trusty DS

[olive ember]

is both too easy and boring as shit, but also infuriatingly annoying because holy crap the randos are so bad

[spice veldt]

yeah; all weapons that don't block ranged got buffed with the KD changes

[rocky cedar]

GIVE PSYKER CHAIN AXE FATSHARK YOU COWARDS

[spice veldt]

especially if they have a good offensive push-attack

[rocky cedar]

Slaughterer + Thrust burn

[olive ember]

its like take what was arguably already the weakest melee weapon that was still considered "good" for Psyker and then slap a bunch of nerfs on it and its like "wow thanks for ruining something fun in your own game"

[rocky cedar]

Yeah FS is the only thing I can think of that they've actually nerfed straight out of relevance

[olive ember]

and yeah Idk everyone I even think about playing one of the things that comes to mind really is just the nerfs to FS lmao, and ik they buffed psyker and all that but I ran surge spam anyways so idek if its that useful

[rocky cedar]

I've heard recon lasguns too but barely used them personally

[olive ember]

crucian roulette knife zealot also got fucked hard

[spice veldt]

i guess the one upside of FS is that it can take on both the Slaughterer and Uncanny Strike blessings

[olive ember]

recon lasguns were screwed because they relied on a super rare trait infernus which stacked a fire dot

but then they changed it so it capped at like 8 stacks of dot

which is worthless

[rocky cedar]

That was 100% deserved and in no way meets the "out of relevance" condition

Also crucian wasn't even particularly good for knife build

It hits silly high crit chance without it

[olive ember]

crucian roulette knife psyker got fucked out of existence

someone here was running it lmao

[still hearth]

Crucian Roulette Knife Psyker probably was the highest single target DPS you could get

With melees

[rocky cedar]

Never even heard of crucian rouletted knife psyker before TBH but really worth giving up a ranged slot for?

Crucian was super deserved regardless

[still hearth]

But you need insane luck to get a sick Knife for it too

[rocky cedar]

Dumb interaction

[still hearth]

I wish they just balanced the blessings

[rocky cedar]

They should absolutely also do that

[still hearth]

So that you got 50% ranged crit but like 25% melee crit.

[olive ember]

basically same thought process as antax tbh

you ran crucian roulette for the crit

[still hearth]

Or whatever.

[olive ember]

and then just spam push attack

[rocky cedar]

As well as make sensible balance changes

[olive ember]

with a decent knife

[still hearth]

Antax crits

[olive ember]

well the thought process of push attack spam

but with a knife instead

and peril blocking made it alot safer as well as more effective

[rocky cedar]

Yeah I knew about push attack spam knife psyker just didn't know it was also run with crucian

Peril block still makes push attack spam very safe

That hasn't changed

[olive ember]

and then on top of all that if you need space you still have the psyker F and if you need to kill a sniper or some shit you do have BB

[rocky cedar]

Actually safer cause no guard breaks

[still hearth]

Psyker could play melee only as much as Zealot could, basically.

[olive ember]

honestly you probably could still run knife psyker, i just don't know how much better it is compared to running an antax

[still hearth]

The biggest downside is that you don't have a 30s invincible charge

[olive ember]

but yeah crucian roulette is dead

[rocky cedar]

Well it's not dead

As an abuse tool it's dead

[still hearth]

It's pretty dead tbh

[rocky cedar]

Still one of the better blessings for HHs TBH

[still hearth]

For one of them*

[olive ember]

i mean if you are running an autogun I think you are throwing in general

kek

[still hearth]

The others do shit crit damage iirc

[rocky cedar]

That's super cap

Unless you're talking about Psyker specifically

[olive ember]

just saying if you are gonna run an auto gun might as well run a mk 12

[rocky cedar]

Haven't done any gun Psyker yet

[spice veldt]

infantry is good

[rocky cedar]

Vraks III HH is kinda cracked TBH

Not accessible to Psyker but Agrip Brauto is cracked

[olive ember]

Then again I play with a vet who runs the lucius so

yeah

well used to actually

they haven't touched the game since like december

[rocky cedar]

I've been playing Vet recently and HH III is legitimately becoming my favourite gun

Eliminates so many threats so incredibly quickly with body shots

At basically any range

Maniac only real weakness

[olive ember]

I mean the problem is that you are better off specializing into elite killing as vet

hence the mk 12

[rocky cedar]

It dumpsters shotgunners and gunners with extreme prejudice

[still hearth]

The only reason that the single shot HH isn't S tier is because XII exists and is just way more efficient

[rocky cedar]

But HH III does dumpster elites that's what I'm telling you

[still hearth]

Its still a solid gun

[rocky cedar]

I agree VII gets outcompeted by XII because they do the same thing

But HH III doesn't fundamentally do the same thing

It's a body shot gun

[olive ember]

idk why but they rly did just make a bunch of changes that ruin anything fun rip

[rocky cedar]

And an extremely good and ammo efficient one

[olive ember]

like I have a recon las vet

and wow its garbage now

[rocky cedar]

I'm telling you try HH III Vet post HH buffs, it's an extremely fun time

[olive ember]

maybe, but I can't be assed to min max on my psyker main

much less on my vet alt

[still hearth]

The thing is that the XII still does more damage

On bodyshots

[olive ember]

I'd have to roll for a half dewcent auto III

[still hearth]

[rocky cedar]

Eh you don't really need to min max hard, I've been doing a fine time with a very mid III

[still hearth]

I think the HH shoots faster though but the XII is just cracked out of its mind

[olive ember]

More importantly

I'd have to grind resources

in malice

pain

the average random holy shit

[rocky cedar]

What do you normally play for fun?

[olive ember]

sedition

like legit

if I want to have fun in this game I run knife maniac around the map in sedition

call it a day

lmao

Otherwise heresy or damnation but tbh I only play with my friends in those difficulties and they stopped playing so yeah

Now I’m sedition only gamer

[rocky cedar]

Ah sad to hear friends left

I only had one regular friend to begin with for DT and they're still going thankfully

[strange wigeon]

at this point all of mine abandoned

[olive ember]

I probably could convince them but our timezones are shit

[strange wigeon]

so just pubbing

[olive ember]

3 EST one PST and one guy in Israel

[still hearth]

I just stole people from here that are cool

And still play the game.

[olive ember]

• college or work

[rocky cedar]

Pubbing's aight but can be frustrating sometimes

[olive ember]

So it’s like 12 AM gaming and no one wants to suffer through damnation at 12 AM

[rocky cedar]

Having even one other person you're on comms with and can trust to be competent makes a huge amount of difference

[spice veldt]

i game at like 4am my time PST and there's usually people for damnation
though I encountered two chinese players once

who were just hanging back and parkouring around

[olive ember]

Oh yeah that too I think only two of us have actually beaten all heresy mission types and even any damnations

So it’s gonna be an experience trying to get the rest of my group through a damnation lmao

Assuming I can convince em

[wet belfry]

I scared of my friends from the game.

There was no reason to be dishonest about the state of the game.

[olive ember]

I was the most skeptical about this game honestly back like two years ago some of em were hyping this game up hard

Which is probably why im the least disappointed of the bunch tbh

[wet belfry]

I think its also in someways how the game built itself up to be.

Both ingame and outside.

They greatly exaggerated how the game would be when describeing it.

[cyan notch]

kidnapper

[rocky cedar]

DT launch is pretty close to what I expected it to be

[still hearth]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-oops-my-fault-sorry-gif-14114248

[rocky cedar]

What can I say, I can recognise patterns apparently

[wet belfry]

Ingame wise you had weird an indepth customization that didn't matter.

[spice veldt]

i was disappointed by the lack of attachments since I wanted to hyperspecialize in a hipfire build, but the melee gameplay was too good for me to pass up
and I'm on that copium that they'll give Psyker a ranged DPS staff

[wet belfry]

Even the opening sequence felt like you were about to enter a completely differnet game compared to what it actually was.

[rocky cedar]

Is Purg not ranged DPS?

[spice veldt]

something a bit more single-target

like a gun

but warp powers

[rocky cedar]

I want a sniping staff personally like beam or bolt from VT2

[spice veldt]

ye

i especially like beam/laser stuff

[rocky cedar]

Yeah ok single target I get you

[spice veldt]

reminds me of lightning guns from quake

[still hearth]

Voidstrike but actually just massive single target damage

[spice veldt]

voidstrike but actually good DPS

[rocky cedar]

Yeah that's pretty much just bolt staff then

[digital narwhal]

I think the most likely single target damage staff we could get is something like the Bolt Staff, but Biolightning.
Instead of just throwing Lightning everywhere with Surge, more so focused bolts.

[rocky cedar]

Don't know why they didn't port it along with the others

[olive ember]

B4B moment?

[rocky cedar]

No just been playing FS games since late into VT1 cycle

[still hearth]

Fatshark has apparently had this theme since the start

[olive ember]

Ah

[still hearth]

Even before VT

[spice veldt]

i'm 60% sure that they have some unreleased but finished weapons; like I think the force sword skin in the free cosmetic shop is a model for a force sword of a different mark

[rocky cedar]

Yeah I'd love that

[olive ember]

There was a vid about it somewhere

Some old ass game from before VT

[still hearth]

Haven't people found that stuff in the code already?

They even use a different force sword in one of the trailers

[spice veldt]

were there more leaks than the banner ones?

[rocky cedar]

I think there's a force greatsword in the code?

[strange wigeon]

yeah, the stabby one

[olive ember]

I’m still waiting for the force great sword they promised

[karmic fractal]

Where my 2H Force Sword at? :>

[rocky cedar]

Or maybe power greatswored?

[spice veldt]

yeah, that trailer force sword had a pretty exotic shape for the blade

[rocky cedar]

Yeah 2H Force Sword would be poggies

[strange wigeon]

also psyker uses heavy sword in his trailer

[karmic fractal]

Varlet's only want one Thing and I think it's disgusting

[spice veldt]

too heavy for psyker's arms

[rocky cedar]

Honestly I wish heavy sword was shared across Zealot and Psyker

[still hearth]

No

Heavy Sword is Zealots best weapon

[digital narwhal]

We need more Biomancy representation.
We have a lot of Telekinesis representation with Voidstrike, Trauma, Psykinetic’s Wrath and Brain Burst.
Pyromancy has some focus, and Telepathy is mentioned in dialogue but hard to do in game.
Meanwhile all we have for Biomancy is the secondary fire of Surge.

[still hearth]

It needs to be class specific

[rocky cedar]

I kinda agree it's their best unique weapon

[cyan notch]

why does it need to be a 2h fs

[rocky cedar]

I just think it'd also fit Psyker aesthetic

[olive ember]

I never got which one that was, every clip shown always seemed to turn out to be either A) a heavy sword B) a dueling sword C) a normal force swords 3rd light attack stab

[spice veldt]

because 2h swords are cool

and a hordeclear class melee seems appropriate

[rocky cedar]

Yeah FS but with group clear focus instead of single target would be neat

[spice veldt]

and something that's not a god damn sticky activation like the 1h force sword or chainsword

[cyan notch]

i think 2h shit is lame

[olive ember]

Would biomancy fall under psykinetic or would we have to wait for subclasses to show up

[karmic fractal]

because the model is already done and big enormous weapons fit into the design narrative

[spice veldt]

:(

[cyan notch]

it doesnt need to be 2h to be good horde clear

[olive ember]

Take that back I want my spear

Or halberd

Or poleaxe

[digital narwhal]

Psykinetic seems to focus on Pyromancy and Telekinesis, so waiting for another Class for Psyker would be the move.

[spice veldt]

mostly for the special, seems it seems more appropriate for the 2h to have a non-sticky special

[rocky cedar]

I'm still looking for a proper greatsword replacement after VT2 OK Blooddrunk?

You got me

[cyan notch]

theres only like one 2h weapon

[rocky cedar]

A halberd would be very nice to have

Spear too honestly

[olive ember]

Then again I’m thinking back to the fun I had with spears and halberds in like chivalry

Idk what jank ass slash -> overhead -> stab combos they would implement for darktide

[karmic fractal]

Divination buff Psyker when?

[sterile vale]

Datamined info indicates that chain lightning instead of brain burst might be a thing for a future psyker class

[spice veldt]

there was also something about throwing knives right

i want the one with knives to come out first

[digital narwhal]

Yeah I know

[olive ember]

Where’s the gun psyker class whose ability is to pull out a force bolter

[digital narwhal]

Apparently that was a scrapped ability for Psykinetic?

[spice veldt]

ah bloody anti spam bot

nooo ooooooo oooo

[steel vapor]

Thoughts? Low damage is a yikes?

[strange wigeon]

also telekinetically thrown knives

[sterile vale]

It should be alright, though ideally Blast Radius would be the dump stat as it doesn't do much on Void

although I'm not super familiar with breakpoints on voidstrike

[steel vapor]

yeah, i lose out on roughly 30-ish damage compared to 80% damage

on charged attack

[digital loom]

well if i use it properly i'll be easy to pick up

[spice veldt]

also requires your teammates to be on point to be holding E as you go down

even with the trauma staff, it can be finicky because enemies outside of the blast radius can come in to wreck your shit as you rev a teammate

[digital loom]

it's got enough damage to clear trash and it has an even wider knockdown/stagger radius, as long as i give forewarning there is smore than enough time

but its only for the deepest of deep shit moments

which can happen on hi5

[cyan notch]

so ur saying you can contribute more by doing one explosion rather than staying alive

[digital loom]

depends

[still hearth]

A pro gamer move is to reach explosion peril before beast of nurgle eats you