psyker-class

[twilit badger]

Trauma is awkward to use for some reason

[safe crystal]

Warp nexus for both, thats about it

[twilit badger]

Even then Electrocute one works like CC tool rather than actual weapon that can kill stuff

Okay it kills flak armor super well

[safe crystal]

Yep, true. It can deal with scabs but doesnt kill anything else too well

[twilit badger]

But that's about it i think

It deals pathetic damage against infected armor type and such

[brave vale]

Yo

I heard they finally buffed psykers

[gleaming comet]

The big buff came in them fixing Warp Charges

Our core mechanic is actually good and usable now, Sibling

[gleaming comet]

Trauma basically has to be aimed like you're lobbing a grenade, in my experience so far

It's helped a lot for me to visualize it like a grenade's arc

[twilit badger]

I'd just use void staff

[gleaming comet]

Trauma is also MUCH better with good base stats because of the AoE size and charge speed

[twilit badger]

With spamming partial charged shots with peril reduction on weak spot hit blessings

You can endless chain spam partially charged shots, even better with charge time reduction blessing on top of that

[gleaming comet]

Trauma's also REALLY nice as an instant "get off me" button if you're getting a bit surrounded

Even a minimum charge shot opens up a lot of space for you to do stuff

Which typically consists of bombarding your immediate surroundings to remove all signs of life

And then once you're basically maxed on peril? Just swap back to one of the many wonderful melee weapons available to this class

[steel egret]

Too bad that with animation cancel peril reduction cant keep up.

Very disapointting, now I just want surge blessing.

[gleaming comet]

Wait what animation cancel are you talking about here?

Does Voidstrike have a cancel? 👀

[twilit badger]

I have no idea too

[steel egret]

Yes?

[twilit badger]

Animation canceling? How it works

[safe crystal]

Pretty sure all of the staves have a 'tap quell' cancel, allows you to do some pretty wacky stuff with LMB

Also FS

[steel egret]

Yes

[twilit badger]

Sounds cool

I should try this once i get home

[gleaming comet]

Interesting

[spice veldt]

force sword has a quell cancel tech?

[safe crystal]

It allows you to whack something really really fast with light 1

[spice veldt]

o

[gleaming comet]

I don't use FS but this will be interesting for if they ever add a faster force weapon that I'm into

[safe crystal]

Oh,damn. The FS one doesnt work anymore :<

[spice veldt]

i usually just swap cancel for FS

that still works

[safe crystal]

Yeah,it would be swap now

[spice veldt]

if I have my slaughterer stacks up, then it's swap cancel time

[jovial mural]

Love using surge staff
I can stagger everything except bosses then finish them off with a charged force sword or have my teammate kill it while it can’t move

[idle bay]

So next patch is next week, siblings?

Patching at Thursday/Friday = working weekend for a hotfix to patch.

[light quail]

idk
still waiting on the catfish commlink

[sterile vale]

Comm-link should have an update on the ETA for the patch

[sly matrix]

What's a commlink?

[sterile vale]

#general-chat message

[sly matrix]

What's the best dueling sabre?

To pair with surge staff

[summer prairie]

the combat knife

[sly matrix]

I refuse to use a knife

What's the best sabre

[summer prairie]

2/4 for a bit better horde clear or 5 for better elite damage with heavies

[sly matrix]

Do u prefer 2 or 4 for horde?

[summer prairie]

I'm not sure, they are very close. Should go for whatever you have available and rolls appropriate perks/blessings

[floral solstice]

mk 2 has 4 attacks in a chain instead of 3 iirc, can't say much about mk4

[cyan notch]

mk2 has faster light spam so more horde control but mk4 has very nice headshot angles for lights

[idle bay]

Managed to get a semi-decent Vraks MK VIII Headhunter on my Vet as well.... By the Empror that gun is like sex!

On vet with volley fire and marking of all shooty-shooty scumbags - it's legal cheat "Kill whole spawn and then again"

Kantrael mk XII is a water gun compared to it's might

Now i need one on my Psyker. KARK stuffs - that thing is a monster!

It's just need flak and unarmored perks for all the break points 🙂

[spare surge]

Anyone else struggle with "Going out with a Bang" Penance?

On paper, not difficult at all. I've played nearly 10 missions and just can't crack it.

[lethal folio]

Comms plex mid event, hang near the entrance and when the klaxon sounds that means 4 elite gunners/shotgunners are heading your way.

[fiery lark]

You're going to need teammates to begin with

[spare surge]

Is that the entrance down the stairs?

[spare surge]

Ach another pre-made penance?

[fiery lark]

Unfortunately, like most penances. Especially Pysker ones.

[lethal folio]

Where you come in to the event room.

[spare surge]

I've nearly been lucky a few times but either squad mates take an elite out (don't blame them, I'd also focus them). Or I had once that I killed something accidentally and the 10% peril loose feat kicked it. Taking me out of the blowing up state.

[spare surge]

Ah cheers @lethal folio

[fiery lark]

If you don't get Comms-plex the next easiest way is to find a group of ragers, headpop them all ONCE and then blow up on them

[spare surge]

Yeah the monstrosity 90% damage kill is ridiculous. Pick & mix I lucked out on.

[fiery lark]

They're much easier to handle than gunners as they engage in melee

Assuming you're on Heresy+

[spare surge]

Ah thats a good idea. Just hard to do with teammates that'll shoot them down.

[fiery lark]

Yeah, again, premades. I bumrushed the hell out of all of them with different teams in 3 evenings for that reason, a solid chunk of them simply won't happen naturally.

[spare surge]

Ah cheers. Yeah I think I'll admit defeat in solo games. I think if they just changed it to Elites & Specials or maybe blow up 10 enemies it would be fine.

[idle bay]

Short quiz.
What saved more heretic from being shot?

1. Actual cover
2. Bulwarks
3. Friendly shield ogryn's ass

[echo turtle]

always 1

[echo turtle]

This

Takes some getting used to

[echo turtle]

repeating block attacks with any weapon will control a horde indefinitely

[sly matrix]

but I love looking swag with the sabre

[safe crystal]

Big E really likes this one axe in particular, apparently. Keeps giving them to me, and they're actually decent

[scarlet timber]

SPKYERS!!!!!

I NEED SERIOUS HELP

like super dam serious

what the hell do i use on voidstrike staff

for perks

and blessings?

also is there guide you cna show me?

like how the zealot boys have one?

also for

macabian duelling sword V

what the hell do i use

[leaden thunder]

main one is the reducing peril on weak spot hit for the void strike

[scarlet timber]

for perks and

blessings

[leaden thunder]

lets you just spam it into hoards

[scarlet timber]

i see thx

okay what about the dueling sword?

i use the one with the heavies being nothing but overheades

[leaden thunder]

perks probably the normal flak +maniac/unarmored

blessings no clue on whats actaully good

shred and rampage probably

[scarlet timber]

i see

[leaden thunder]

maybe uncanny strike?

idk

[echo turtle]

uncanny is really good

[echo turtle]

warp flurry, and quell on headshot

[echo turtle]

• maniac, uncanny strike are what you’re after for the dueling sword

[void mural]

@idle bay god damn you were right! The headhunters slap! I had a decent mk7 to try out and it usually body shot kills the horde enemies and 2 body shot kills the shooters. I just spammed that into crowds and I had a permanently red cross hair because it was killing stuff so fast. I just wish it was full auot instead of single fire, so I didn't have to spam LMB, because it's basically got full auto fire rate when spammed.

[idle bay]

and it's easy to control it's recoil

[void mural]

for real, it doesn't have much now

[idle bay]

And psykers warp charges allow it to pass breakpoints easily 🙂

[void mural]

oh, duh, that's probably why I was 1 shotting everything

[idle bay]

all it needs is opening salvo blessing to make it beyond awesome

[void mural]

oh, that would be great

[digital storm]

3 more hours till comm-link

[void mural]

oh, we getting news today?

[leaden thunder]

ye

[digital storm]

yes catfish said the comms-link woud be posted at 19:00 CET

[void mural]

ah, any word about what?

[digital loom]

based on experience, I'd say it's about next week

[leaden thunder]

tm

[digital loom]

thought i smelled salt and vinegar chips but it was just my feet

[leaden thunder]

probably actually next week tho

[void mural]

Ha, yeah, next week

[slow karma]

Ok I clearly missed them buffing headhunter autoguns

I have missed some ballistic rounds

I love lazguns to death but bullets feel good in their own way

[gloomy gulch]

picked up this bad boy on my psyker, I can block forever now lol

Also feels like I can do a lot of pushing

I have another curio that gives 10% stamina as well

[weary jacinth]

having a bitch of a time tryna do the cliffhanger penance, any of yall got tips

[gloomy gulch]

Ok ok

There is a small bridge in uh I don't remember the name

The one where you have to get the special ammo

At the very beginning on the left, it's like a bridge area there is a small bridge

Wait for a horde

Stand on the bridge... Profit

[light quail]

also a decent spot for out with a bang

[weary jacinth]

sweeeet

cheers

[light quail]

higher difficulties, you'll usually have a pack of specials around the corner

[weary jacinth]

will keep an eye out for that

[gloomy gulch]

This is from a Reddit post about it

This bridge

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/z1g9kh/how_i_got_the_psyker_cliffhanger_penance/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

Here is the guide link btw

[slow karma]

This game is unpuggable past malice unless you're a god gamer

[digital loom]

just have to avoid things like knife zealots and stub revolver veterans and you'll be fine

[slow karma]

You can't fucking "avoid" anything, you take what you get

[digital loom]

you put them on block and leave

[slow karma]

Yeah that's way more energy than I should have to put into this

I'll just stick to malice

[near wyvern]

I pug damnation it's a good challenge to try carry the team.

[digital loom]

my block list is filled with people who either run around with a knife without killing anything, run around with a stub revolver and not kill anything, and people who raise failure flags if they cause a wipe

i'd say the largest issue is everyone builds for medium-close range and completely disregards ranged

so you get these really unbalanced teams where nobody can deal with shooters

and throw in bad med-close builds as well and you wind up with teammates who can't kill anything

i'm not sayi'm i'm perfect either, just that my intuition built from experience warns me about certain things and I tend to avoid them.

in fact, i even enjoy things like shield ogryn on my team

because at least there's somebody who can occupy shooters without dying when the rest of the team is me and two knife/stub revolver zealots

i blame game dev for making ui say the weapons are "primary" and "secondary" resulting in an inference that causes lopsided play

call them melee and ranged

misunderstanding solved

and its fine if those people want to play that way, how they play is their business. I can just choose whether i want to play with them or not

[full kite]

I pug a lot in damnation and heresy

It’s basically either smooth like butter or everyone dies before first event

[slow karma]

Or in it

[gloomy gulch]

My block list has one person. I was dead this was in malice. He let both the grim holders die even when he could res them because and I quote "I hope you never pick up a grim again".

[slow karma]

Frankly, I'm not sure how you handle so much in those myself

I can't be fucked to sweat this hard just trying to grind mats more effectively

[gloomy gulch]

I agree

[slow karma]

I'll just take the L and stick to t3

It's hard to focus on objectives with so many enemies swarming you

[full kite]

Idk heresy feels easy to carry kinda like malice after you play damnation enough

[west stream]

Whenever i play without purg we lose in heresy lol

[full kite]

Damnation tho you can’t really solo

[slow karma]

Well I'm not going to play damnation because of how hard it is to begin with

[full kite]

Unless true sedition gamer god

[slow karma]

also I'm trying to grind out materials for a reason

[full kite]

🤷‍♂️ if you find it fun to play malice that sounds good to me

[slow karma]

I don't have a kit I can use on damnation even if I wanted to play that high

[full kite]

I find it fun, you just run up to everything without carrying about damage and murder them

[slow karma]

I'd enjoy heresy if I wasn't batting Zero with completions

[full kite]

Tbh you can use anything in damnation, it’s mainly skill and positioning and ofc, teammates thst matter

[slow karma]

Well that's the rub

skill

I'm not that good at this game

[full kite]

Played damnation with two people using revolver + knife

Tbh we were pretty useless tho 🤡

[slow karma]

and I've bad eyesight so the range gameplay is hard for me to be even mid at

I just want some diamantine, man.

[full kite]

Only way to get better is to dip your toes into higher difficulty 🫡

I used to be scared of malice

[slow karma]

I didn't.

[full kite]

just gotta keep playing until it’s ez

[slow karma]

I refuse to believe spinning your wheels in failed heresy+ runs is doing you any real good

[full kite]

Nah, heresy clutching is great practice because heresy is where postioning starts to matter

[slow karma]

I may be improveing but it's hard to tell when the whole team get's sniped and you fail despite your skill

[full kite]

Basically funneling everything to the front of you and using cover as much as possible

[slow karma]

Ventilation terminal moment

[full kite]

Tbh, damnation is sometimes easier than heresy

[slow karma]

Yeah I'm done

[full kite]

Because you have really bad players in heresy but they don’t attempt damnation

So in damnation where everyone is playing well, it’s easier to survive because they have your back too

Better practice imo

[slow karma]

If we don't get at least a news post today, I'm uninstalling this mess. I'm not having any fun anymore

[full kite]

Sounds fair to me

[slow karma]

This loop is so unfun

I used to just enjoy the game but now that my gear has stagnated, my drive has withered

[digital loom]

well

the higher difficulties do make you better at lower difficulties

even if you fail a bunch you will go one difficulty down and realize "wow this is baby mode"

[slow karma]

That doesn't matter when you're in a team of other people

[digital loom]

i'm not bragging when i say this but i only enjoy d5 hi intensity now

everything else is not fun for me anymore

[slow karma]

I'm not going to get so much better that I can carry other players through a run. I'm just not that kind of gamer.

I have a cap to the amount of fucks I can give to being good at a game

[gloomy gulch]

After I did all the cosmetic penances for the classes I feel the same about d5

[golden tartan]

Until the AI directed decides, nope its actually Hi5!

[slow karma]

So there's a point where I just stop sweating about improving

[digital loom]

well a lot of it has to do with build and playstyle, and in my opinion if you can't find a playstyle with a sort of "meta build" that you find fun then its fine not doing it

[golden tartan]

Meta builds are also a lie tbh

[slow karma]

meta builds all seem to rely on blessings for most kits.

[golden tartan]

Uhhhh

uhhhhhh

🤔

[digital loom]

the only time i dont have fun in hi5 is when the spawns bug after an event room and doors are just shitting pox walkers in that room nonstop for the entire mission, so you have this steady trickle from the other side of the map

[slow karma]

Look, if you want to educate me on stuff that does not, I'm all ears

[golden tartan]

Looks at Purgatus staff

Looks at Flamer

Looks at XII

Looks at PSword

[digital loom]

i use trauma staff

if you have a good one, its very strong

[golden tartan]

Im just listing blessing non specific meta stuff

[full kite]

For psyker? Probably purge and lightning staff blessings don’t matter

[slow karma]

For psyker, yes

[digital loom]

thankfully damage roll on trauma staff isn't terribly important

[golden tartan]

Dueling sword as well

[digital loom]

what you need is blast radius and charge speed

[full kite]

They help a lot, but they aren’t necessary to perform well

[golden tartan]

FS I think is also Blessing agnostic?

Like Deflector is cute

[golden tartan]

Vet like

[digital loom]

i keep getting the peril reduction blessing on my trauma staves

like wtf

[golden tartan]

2/3 of the ranged weapons

and psword

All dont rely on blessings

Zealot most of ur ranged and most of the non axe melees

[slow karma]

Ok, fine, I take it back

[golden tartan]

Thrust is nice on a TH

[slow karma]

I'm letting my zealot stint color my perceptions here.

I'm just frustrated

[golden tartan]

And like even knife doesnt need bleed build

[full kite]

Hmm yeah that’s really not fair, psykers usually have bigger weaknesses than zealot that they have to cover

[slow karma]

This happens anytime I try to push above my comfort zone in a game

[golden tartan]

I have a knife + HH I use on my zealot atm in Damnation and its been great fun

[full kite]

Tbh, comfort weapons > meta weapons

[golden tartan]

This ^

DT is about what you can make work

Not what most people think is best

I'd take Lucius > XII anyway

for instance

[full kite]

It’s fine running knife and lightning if you do great with it

[golden tartan]

Or VII > XII

[full kite]

I run revolver a lot cause I love it

[slow karma]

Well I need enough power behind something to do that so I tend to orbit meta choices for a reason

[golden tartan]

I legit see psykers do well with this

[full kite]

Just not on psyker 🤡

[golden tartan]

Power is in the hands of the beholder

[slow karma]

Again, I'm hedging my bets while I'm increasing my skill level. I cannot control anything but my own amount of practice and improvement

[golden tartan]

I can give you a XII and if you have zero clue how to use it and shoot crusher heads it wont do anything

[slow karma]

this the frustration with pugging and the fact that I have no friends that even want to play this game, let alone have it

[golden tartan]

Fortunately in DT 90% of downs and deaths are due in part to something you can improve on

[slow karma]

Malice doesn't cause me this issue because it's pretty easy. And even that can go sour sometimes just because of how pugging works

[full kite]

I mainly play solo, I learned from repeatedly failing

Every time you go down, ask yourself why you went down

[slow karma]

Look

I need you to stop pretending I don't know how to self-assess

[full kite]

If it’s because of teammates, how could you have been in a situation where you didn’t need teammates help

[golden tartan]

Out of the remaining 10%, 5% is random bullshit like silent poxbursters, and only 5% is ur teammates being incompetent.

[slow karma]

I go down because I'm not fucking perfect and will not be when the whole team is swarmed by scabs and we're being picked off by a sniper

[full kite]

That’s where positioning matters

[slow karma]

Yeah and the only position I can control is my own

[golden tartan]

Mhm, a zealot can solo a horde on heresy

with 1 weapon

[full kite]

Exactly so dw about teammates

Plus idk, I love clutching

It’s the best feeling in this game

But you right tho

[golden tartan]

Granted the flamer is stupidly good

but ye

[slow karma]

it's also stressful

[full kite]

Psyker vs horde without purge is…

Yeah

[golden tartan]

This is scary

Psyker has the tools for it

[slow karma]

Man, they want us to experiment so bad

[golden tartan]

but they arent great tools

[slow karma]

And this is what happens when I try to deviate from proven tactics or work with what I have

Cuz your stupid fucking shop wont give me something helpful

[golden tartan]

Find tactics that work for you tbh

Also you dont need a "great" weapon

[slow karma]

I'm using what I have

[golden tartan]

generally you can grab any weapon that you are used to from the shop

put no upgrades

[slow karma]

If it's there

[golden tartan]

and work fine.

[slow karma]

which is a big if sometimes

[golden tartan]

Fair but like

you have been level 30 for a bit yes?

[slow karma]

A fair bit, yes

But I don't hawk the plugin

[void mural]

Yeah, they're good now!

[golden tartan]

And I assume you have a prefered weapon yes?

[slow karma]

And I'm out of mats

[golden tartan]

Dont worry about mats

You dont need upgrades or perks or blessings for heresy

[void mural]

I presume you're talking about trying to get into difficulty 4 with psyker?

[golden tartan]

and even damn you dont need it

[slow karma]

you are sort of missing the core of my motivations to play

[golden tartan]

4 with zealot

[slow karma]

So I guess I need to stop for a while and let this shit cook

[lilac tapir]

I did it exactly on that Bridge, highly recommended but make sure you inform your teammates and they agree to help, makes it much easier (also easier on heresy or malice high intensity as horde is bigger and more room for error).

[full kite]

Just curious, what is your loadout usually?

[void mural]

In PUGs, it of course it depends on the group. I've had great and bad PUGs on difficulty 4. Sometimes I hard carry, sometimes it's a breeze

[gloomy gulch]

Same here that bridge was so good for this

[slow karma]

I'm a bit too agitated to keep going atm. Sorry

[void mural]

You or void?

[golden tartan]

Void

[void mural]

Oh, can't really help there. That's the one class I've not played really

[full kite]

I think they wanna do it for psyker not zealot

[golden tartan]

Ah they said something about zealot player earlier

[full kite]

Zealot is a very easy class to take into higher difficulties

[slow karma]

I've just been playing on my zealot leveling him lately

[golden tartan]

Until Death go brrrr

[slow karma]

psyker was my first 30

[void mural]

As for psyker, I like devils claw with extra cleave and a voidstrike staff

[golden tartan]

For my psyker i run DS + Staff of the Day

[void mural]

Can handle crowds with both and armor with BB

And voidstrike isn't terrible for ranged either

[slow karma]

And even then, on him I've completed exactly 2 heresy runs and both were low-intensity mods

[light quail]

DS Laspistol here
I wanna be the psychic commissar the imperium wouldn't let me be

[full kite]

DS V slide spam is so funny to me

But I had to get used to normal dodge instead of dodge slide cause dodge sliding in combat made me move too far 🤡

[void mural]

I personally played difficulty 3 until I felt it was easy, though I still find the occasional run where it feels way harder. Though I assume that's teammates slacking off, or just the spawns being hard

[idle bay]

[Pained/Maniacal Laughter] - I just completed "On Overwatch!" Penance on my vet. Thing is - i was not even trying to get it... and it was just regular Malice and i was playing reclessly

[void mural]

The only time I played difficulty 4 when I was getting into it was for scripts. I still play mostly difficulty 3 with some 4s

[light quail]

I main diff 4 rn
going to play more 5 when I get home from work

[void mural]

How do your runs usually end up failing? Team wipes to multiple specials? Nobody killing ranged shooters? Attrition?@slow karma

[cyan notch]

bad thing about damnation is the mission timers are very long on the mission board

[slow karma]

God, it's...hard to pin down

The last few days have been a special kind of shitshow

The end result is usually ending up overwhelmed and split up from each other

But that takes so many different forms

One time the team wasn't paying attention to a barrel fuse and two of them ended up thrown off an edge. I managed to save one but I have to jump off a tier of the area to get to them and that left me unable to get to the other

the only other one standing went down from the swarm and the barrel damage

then we just got picked off by a throng of specials that came in right then

Most other times it's during events and the sheer numbers tend to overwhelm everyone

[golden tartan]

This is on Zealot yes?

[slow karma]

it's just people seemingly punching above their weight class

[golden tartan]

Or Psyker

[slow karma]

Both

[golden tartan]

Yea Heresy has some bad apples. Damnation generally has better pugs

[slow karma]

Well I'm not ready for damnation

In fact I don't WANT to be

[golden tartan]

But even then in my experience bad apples arent that common in Heresy

[full kite]

Actually false

[slow karma]

it's just too generally sweaty to begin with

[golden tartan]

How so?

[full kite]

Damnation is actually easier than Heresy in general

I think you’d like it more having competent teammates

[slow karma]

There's no reason for that to be the case

[golden tartan]

Teammates

Thats it

[slow karma]

But that's makes no sense

[full kite]

it’s really just people not dying solo and knowing how to save others

[slow karma]

yeah you have to be on your game in damnation, that's a given

[golden tartan]

The gap between Heresy -> Damnation is not as big as Malice -> Heresy

[full kite]

^

[slow karma]

but why is heresy such a disparate experience when you clearly have to be too

[golden tartan]

But people will wanna get comfortable on Heresy before they go up to damnation

Heresy is full of people comfortable on Malice trying to go one up

[slow karma]

This is silly

[golden tartan]

Damnation is full of people comfortable on Heresy and trying to go one up, and also people comfortable on Damnation

[slow karma]

Like this sounds completely self-defeating

[full kite]

In damnation, you don’t have people dying solo to hordes of poxwalkers

[golden tartan]

Heresy is where you learn a lot of the more important skills

Like melee skills

[full kite]

And people can handle trappers, mutants, and dogs solo

[golden tartan]

Even if you are a ranged class

And if you are a melee class, how to deal with ranged

[full kite]

So you just worry about yourself

It’s a lot easier than three people running into things and dying

[golden tartan]

That being said, Damnation pushes a lot into you and it will feel overwhelming the first few times

but its really just applying the lessons learnt in heresy

That being said I do play Heresy rather than Damnation when im not confident of being competent enough with a new build

or a meme fuck build

Like shredder autopistol+knife vet

I was sucking in Heresy too when I first tried it

Took me a while to actually git gud

Then when I went up to Damn from Heresy it didnt feel that big of a difference

Also sometimes the AI director will throw you a Damnation difficulty run in Heresy for some reason

I was playing a Hi4 that had more enemies, more specials, more elites than the Hi5 I did before

[cyan notch]

iono bout that one

[north cradle]

Probably a High Intensity

[golden tartan]

Mhm, Hi4 can spike WAY up

even to Hi5 levels

We had like 2.5k kills

[cyan notch]

theres variance between missions

i dont think hi intensity heresy is anything special or a outlier

[void mural]

@slow karma sounds like your teams are just dying to barrels, haha

As for actual advice, I'd say to try sticking to at least one person, so you have help when getting overwhelmed. Remember to use your psyker F to knock down hordes and specials if they're starting to overwhelm you. It should give you a few seconds to kill some, nuke down specials if they're giving you trouble, or reposition to your team if you're separated

[idle bay]

Ok game. I'll take it...

[void mural]

Haha

It depends on team comp, but if you have people stepping up to do frontline damage, you can stand back as a psyker and AOE hordes, depending on what staff you have

It's why I like the voidstrike staff for its general usefulness at horde clear, and reasonable usefulness at ranged sniping

After experiencing my first headhunter gun after the buff though, I'd definitely say they're a valid choice to bring too. I was using a mk7 and it does work! it chews through flak armor, and you can spam it into hordes for tons of kills

[devout axle]

Join the Traumatized gang.

[magic burrow]

I feel like the main thing that makes Damnation hard is that the AI director is just full 'avin a giggle at times. It's also what makes Damnation fun.

[cyan notch]

that ss is so old

[devout axle]

I still have that staff.

I still use that staff.

It is my baby.

[cyan notch]

i wouldnt imagine anyone would destroy a 380 weapon

[devout axle]

I would've considered it way back when I thought Trauma staves were irredeemable ass.

I'm fortunate I gave it a shot and proved myself wrong.

[magic burrow]

holy crap its like you found my staff. Mine looks almost exactly the same, except I believe the warp resistance on mine is kinda low

hang on I need to check now.

[devout axle]

Don't look for your staff. It is not there.

I don't know where it is. Stop asking questions.

[magic burrow]

it's a two handed staff. We can both hold it with one hand.

[devout axle]

Kinky.

[magic burrow]

https://puu.sh/JzqE3/66c8140063.png

hang on, I only now notice yours is a trauma, not a purgatus

lol

[north cradle]

What benefits do Headhunter autoguns have over lasguns to you?

[void mural]

Armor piercing

[north cradle]

Don't lasguns deal more damage to Flak Armour than Unarmoured?

[void mural]

Pretty sure not?

[north cradle]

I thought it did, maybe I'm thinking of Helbore

[void mural]

Also, with my mk12 lasgun, I don't feel like I got nearly the same effectiveness as I did last night spamming my headhunter mk7 into a horde

[idle bay]

Oh i'm already on deeply traumatised gang. Doing 100+ missions per week...

56 to go this week to match my plan 🙂

just to do 100 planned mission and then come extra

[long wharf]

the MG12 lasgun isn't good against the horde

[void mural]

2 shots max with the headhunter per non-special/elite. Lasgun was sometimes 3 or 4 depending on headshot or not

[long wharf]

slow firerate ensures you'll get overrun

rely on your teammates to get the horde, if you can

[void mural]

Well duh, but I wouldn't think a headhunter was meant for horde either, haha

[long wharf]

and focus on shooters, elites/specials

or, you know, whip out your power sword and take the horde down faster than anyone else can via melee

[void mural]

So far I haven't found anything my headhunter is bad for besides carapace

[void mural]

Playing psyker, so not an option

[long wharf]

then play veteran and be a proper gunner

[void mural]

Lol

[north cradle]

Limbsplitter Antax Mk V and just spam push followup

[void mural]

I was literally trying gun psyker to see how it was

[long wharf]

"budget veteran" is the kindest thing I can say about that playstyle

[north cradle]

I like Gun Psyker with Quietitude and Kinetic Barrage

[void mural]

Totally fair, but I felt it was a competent match for the voidstrike staff I usually take

[north cradle]

I'll usually run Voidstrike or Surge on Damnation though

If your Veteran actually knows what his role is during an arena, you can play pretty comfortably

[void mural]

I kept procing the vet's "look at the witch go!" voiceline with every horde when I spammed my headhunter

[broken quail]

I love gunpsyker, passive bonus damage from charges and instakilling maulers with kinetic flayers all without having to worry about carapace because of brain bursts

[ornate hamlet]

budget veteran is really really good you know

[north cradle]

When I'm playing Veteran, I sit pretty on the high ground, snipe Specialists, ignore hordes, and smash the ult button the moment I see a shooter

[leaden thunder]

if kinetic flayer didn't have a 15 second cd then' i'd be more supportive of it

[ornate hamlet]

better than using voidstrike or trauma for sure

[void mural]

Yeah, 24% extra damage is pretty good

[scarlet timber]

thx

[broken quail]

Haven't had problem with the cooldown myself, can pretty accurately predict the cooldown with warp charges that last 25 seconds. Best thing is that it activates near instantly with high ROF weapons, no charge up like brain burst

[ornate hamlet]

the cooldown is alright, in combat with gunpsyker you naturally get to 4 stacks and stay there

barely have to brainburst

[void mural]

I just make sure to brain burst hard to hit, long distance, or armored enemies to keep up my warp charges. Playing with 6 charges

Precharging a BB for an incoming hound is just too good

[ornate hamlet]

oh yeah with 6 stacks you don't get the auto headpop

[void mural]

I prefer the extra damage

[broken quail]

I have been tempted to go 6 charges with gunpsyker ever since the change to lose charges one at a time, but the kinetic flayer instakilling maulers/ragers feels too good

[void mural]

You don't like charging BB?

[ornate hamlet]

for me its too slow at least without the level 30 ablity

[broken quail]

Depends how close the enemies are, but generally I only BB when my ult to reduce charge time is on.

[ornate hamlet]

yeh same

[void mural]

Fair, though I often do it for maniacs when they've engaged an ally

[ornate hamlet]

did someone say BB?

tho i guess 6 stacks would probably be "meta" for more damage?

[void mural]

I use the reduce F cd on elite kill, so it's a good combo

[ornate hamlet]

ye

[void mural]

Ult, BB a few elites, get your ult back for more BB

[ornate hamlet]

BB is still trash, i only use it on my build to deal with ranged enemies that i can't just purg or axe

[broken quail]

Does anyone not? Cooldown reduction is so much better than the other abilities. Shame since the bonus damage on BB hit seems useful for a kinetic flayer build

[ornate hamlet]

i use it way more now tbh, it will 3 pop heavy units like bulwark and crusher

[void mural]

Lol, thrust?

[ornate hamlet]

and in the heat of combat they've usually taken lots of damage so its more like 2

[void mural]

Idk, that's why we're talking

[ornate hamlet]

and on heresy difficulty its straight up a 2 pop

[devout axle]

I'd disagree that it is 'so much better'. All of the talents of that level actually all serve a role. Communion is great if you are lazy and don't want to pay attention to your charges, or if you are running Essence Harvest to passively regen Toughness. Cerebral Lacerations gives BB more break points on high health enemies. CDR is great, but its definitely not the only option.

[void mural]

Anyway, the BB stagger usually let's my team kill the bulwark before I get a second one off anyway. Also it's only 2 BB on difficulty 3 and 4 for me

[long wharf]

I would argue most people take 6.2 or 6.3

[ornate hamlet]

on bulwark, i can solo kill it way faster with axe
know your dodge timings and the shield is a non issue

[void mural]

That's fair, maybe you're just better

Also, I don't have any melee weapons that can 1 shot like that

[slow karma]

That's often a factor people forget about

[broken quail]

was talking about the cooldown reduction on elite kill

[slow karma]

personal skill

[grizzled jasper]

You use bb to bait the bolter vet into mag dumping it

[slow karma]

A variable you cannot globally account for

[long wharf]

oh, I never take that

[void mural]

It'd take me at least 2 openings to kill a bulwark with my melees

[long wharf]

I generally roll with Communion

[grizzled jasper]

Then you steal his kill

[leaden thunder]

I run communion alot as well

[ornate hamlet]

axe heavy attack staggers them, it's 2 or 3 hits even on damnation, only 1 hit if you get a BB proc

(compared to using 3 BB, which is waaaaaay slower and i only opt to do this if he's too far away for me to use axe)

[void mural]

I've yet to get any good weapons with thrust on it

[ornate hamlet]

i've been running cerebral lacerations since the patch to try to make a boss killer/heavy unit killer

[broken quail]

I tried communion a few times but didn't really need it to keep up charges, felt like 15% cooldown for allies in coherency was just OP because it allows allies to always have their abilities

[long wharf]

yeah, Communion isn't the "must have" it was before FartShart fixed warp charge dropoff

if you aren't running AB, though, I'd still take it

[ornate hamlet]

i still use communion anyway

[void mural]

AP axe? I haven't been running them as I don't have any particularly good ones. Anyway usually it's BB for stagger for follow up kill

[ornate hamlet]

i'd rather have communion then give the ogryn and zealot faster CD on their ability so they can charge off and lose coherency with me

[long wharf]

well, all the other classes have reliable ways of getting their ults back easily

the Vet doesn't need you for ult usage at all

the ogryn should only be ulting in dire situation

[cyan notch]

maybe aura will be more useful with new subclasses

[long wharf]

and the zealot is going to ult away from you regardless

[ornate hamlet]

i still use MK II combat axe.
I tried V, it's crap. I like VIII also, it's faster than MK V and does more damage, but i rolled shit blessing on mine so i still use II.

[leaden thunder]

zealot has eithe 2 charges or recharge on crit

[dawn warren]

Does anyone use devil's claw

[long wharf]

so yeah, to me, aura is a wasted feat

[ornate hamlet]

i've tried it

[ornate hamlet]

absolute trash

[void mural]

Been enjoying it with the 150% cleave on 3 enemy hits. It's fun for horde clear

[long wharf]

now if the other classes didn't have easy ult cdr, maybe 15% would be noticeable

[devout axle]

DC Sword just feels like it underperforms in every way.

[cyan notch]

aura is mainly for you

[long wharf]

but as it is, even a 25% cdr wouldn't be very noticeable to anyone else except ogryns and other psykers

[ornate hamlet]

if you use SURG and you want a melee wep with good hoard clear, use MK V with at least 50%+ in cleave (but not much more than 50%, you want the rest of the stats in the other base stats of the wep like damage, first target, etc)

If you use PURG for hoard clear, you want a high single target DPS wep like MK II or MK VIII axe.

its good for personal protection due to high mobility stats and stamina and clearing out hordes but it struggles to put down even traitor guard fast, i think axe or force sword is the way however

or, other high single target dps melee weps could work with purg as well, other than axe

[vagrant cedar]

people still play this game? woah

[north cradle]

If the Devil's Claw had more base damage than the Power Sword, that would be nice

[ornate hamlet]

it's shit, MK V combat axe is far superior to devil's claw in every way

[cyan notch]

why does devils claw get a name

[vagrant cedar]

Axe + Purge

best build

[leaden thunder]

I still really like void strike since I am not super confident on my psyker

so the diffs I play on aren't where it falls off yet

[long wharf]

surge + mk v combat axe

haven't found a combo I like more yet

[north cradle]

Because everything on Catachan is called a Devil

[cyan notch]

why doesnt the knife have a name then

[north cradle]

Allegedly less lethal

[leaden thunder]

those are knives to catachans

the actual knife is a little weeny knife for them

[void mural]

What's the proper way to use surge staff? I feel pretty clueless when using it. Sometimes it seems to kill lots of enemies, sometimes it only stuns them and leaves them all alive

[ornate hamlet]

surge+MK V combat axe
purge + MK II or MK VIII combat axe (or possibly other high single target finesse weapons)

are the only 2 builds i think are worth playing on psyker.
void doesn't do enough damage for it to be worth sacrificing all of your CC capability, trauma also has poor CC and it's targetting is still garbo - it's damage is pretty good tho

[devout axle]

Catachan Jungle Fighters are the embodiment of "that ain't a knoife. THIS IS A KNOIFE! draws sword"

[cyan notch]

yea well tell em their sword is trash

[devout axle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZPfO88-Xzw

[slow karma]

End of february. I can free up my SSD space until then

[void mural]

Big oof. You can't combine lower tier blessings to unlock higher tier ones. You have to find it

[slow karma]

Better than nothing but that's just me and my clearly counter interests

Not playing until we get this fucking patch though

shit's miserable

[spice oar]

fr

[void mural]

Yeah, it's "better", but not great

[cyan notch]

theyre idiots

doubling down on universally hated perk locking bullshit

to force more rng

[brazen rose]

No beloved

[safe crystal]

Combining blessings not being implemented like it was supposed to? Well, at least i can clear my inventory from the 10+ T1 blessing duplicates that serve no purpose now

[olive ember]

Mmm I’m too lazy to read any ETA on next update

[safe crystal]

Next week

[olive ember]

NextWeekTM

[leaden thunder]

next week or the week after

but actually

by the end of feb is what they said

[safe crystal]

Its next week, its not specified which next week though

[slow karma]

I mean I'm not going to trash my current bank of blessings just in case something ends up juicy in the future.

Nor am I going to balk at low tier shit

I'd rather have a minor version of an effect over no version

[safe crystal]

Yeah, well. I mostly mean the 10 warp nexus T1's i have, those are worthless now since i have at least a T3 somewhere

[slow karma]

But again, this is coming from someone who likes the gear chase.

So you can safely ignore me since I'm clearly a cryptid in this community

[safe crystal]

They only had value because combining them into a higher tier was at some point talked about

[slow karma]

Well that's also not exclusively the drive to keep them that way

Retention metrics, folks. You keep ignoring it like it's not a driving force in a game with a cash shop

[safe crystal]

Sure, but some people are not even logging into the game, since the browser extension exists. I feel like joining them for a while tbh, Total Warhammer 3 just got updated so hopping on over there instead

Maybe next month

[pale crescent]

more luck today. at work so i don't have time to screenshot, but i got a blue 380 purg with 25% flak perk and terrifying barrage 1. Got a 380 dueling sword this morning

[strange wigeon]

The retention mechanics killed the playerbase, it killed the usual -tide endgame of trying out new weapon combinations and builds

[pale crescent]

I'm a chronic browser extension user. I snipe 380s and play maybe 2-3 times a week

[slow karma]

Yeah. That doesn't actually mean they're not going to keep trying them

They very obviously have a padding of funding enough to take these measures now.

[void mural]

It is, but this community hates retention for the sake of retention. FS needs to make a compelling reason to continue logging in, like their previous games. Not intentionally make obtuse systems to force people to grind. You can make grind that doesn't suck and is actually good. This isn't it

[strange wigeon]

So it's weird they're still clutching to it, they can reinvigorate the game easily and sctually retain the players

[slow karma]

Maybe if people are loud enough, that can change, but I sure don't care enough to shout myself

[strange wigeon]

One word

Athanor

[slow karma]

It's not weird at all

It means they have information and data we dont

[strange wigeon]

Lol no

[slow karma]

The know shit we cant

[strange wigeon]

Other devs yes

FS no

[slow karma]

???

This has nothing to do with their competency

This is raw facts. They're the devs, We're not.

They can see shit we have no access to.

[pale crescent]

As a gear snob the current upgrade system makes me want to cry.
It takes an absurd amount of time to get materials and there's a 50+% chance I'm going to get multiple bad upgrades

[slow karma]

So they can operate in a long-form manner, taking whatever risks they deem worth it

Whether that's going to pan out? Well, time will tell.

[wheat wren]

They balance psyker yet?

[pale crescent]

Minor buffs somewhat recently

[safe crystal]

Average player counts from Steamcharts
Last 30 Days 5,292.1
December 2022 31,077.6
Game is losing player base real fast, and this is not going to help at all

[slow karma]

Well they have to learn this lesson themselves.

They're not going to listen to us unless we blow out their eardrums about it

And that...doesn't seem to be happening

[safe crystal]

If only this was the first time this happened, but alas

[slow karma]

So, y'know. We kinda gotta wait and see

[void mural]

He's a lot better now that warp charges fall off one at a time. Warp charges got buffed damage per stack. BB got 10% dmg & stagger buff. All good stuff, but almost nothing for his talents really

[wheat wren]

Shiiieeet. Is soul blaze effective now?

[near wyvern]

The warp charge changes were pretty good. Warp battery gives now a reasonable boost and maintaining 5 or 6 stacks is not a pain anymore.

[void mural]

LOL

[lofty mica]

I feel like the game is just mellowing out from the hype

[leaden thunder]

eh

[near wyvern]

It always been, just not against carapace.

[lofty mica]

And the fact the game isnt complete is definitely not helping keep the numbers up

[leaden thunder]

it shouldn't be to this extent

[void mural]

Yes, but also it could have a lot more people if the endgame wasn't crap

[leaden thunder]

100% wasn't gonna keep those numbers

but it's dropped way faster and harder then it should

[void mural]

Yeah

[lofty mica]

Due to the incomplete game yes

[void mural]

But also the egregious time sink they expected of players with things like malk's missions

[lofty mica]

But id say the main issue is the release of the patches

[leaden thunder]

that certianly doesn't help

not even getting some like

balance stuff happening

[lofty mica]

Is they made more consistent patches example every week or two weeks

That would help

[void mural]

Yeah

[lofty mica]

Because theres always something coming

[leaden thunder]

when blessings are still super fucked

[lofty mica]

Agreed

[leaden thunder]

like that makes the whole crafting thing worse

[lofty mica]

What do mean by that, main issue i have is the fact A no crafting system B materials are aids

[leaden thunder]

right now there is like no actual choice with blessings for a large amount of weapons

that issue will stay once crafting comes

[brazen rose]

should i ?

[leaden thunder]

so like

[brazen rose]

the damage is insanly low

[void mural]

Yeah, half the blessing don't do anything

[brazen rose]

wtf

[void mural]

Especially for ogryn

[leaden thunder]

or they are

stupidly strong

ala slaughterer

[void mural]

Yeah, blessing are totally unbalanced

[leaden thunder]

liek would you rather have

5% weak spot and crit damage

or 75% damage, cleave and impact

[void mural]

I want to know who made up these numbers, haha

[safe crystal]

If you havent tried one out yet, go for it. It has low burn, which makes it way below average. Damage is a dump stat on purgatus

[leaden thunder]

this is the choice you have to make for the force sword

even more so if you want deflector

[brazen rose]

why someone should take the purgatus?

what's the purpose?

[leaden thunder]

hoard clear

it's like

[safe crystal]

Clears hordes

[leaden thunder]

the second best thing for it in the game

second to the flamer

it gets better as you go up in diffs

since it has functionally unlimited cleave

[safe crystal]

Flurry doesnt do much on purgatus, i think the only blessings that DO work on purg properly are warp nexus (which is the best blessing for it) and run n gun

[leaden thunder]

flurry doesn't do much on most the staves iirc

[safe crystal]

Its really good on trauma though

[leaden thunder]

I think trauma is the only one you can tell it works on

[brazen rose]

i think the feat that gives you warp charges when u or allies kills an enemy is a good feat

[leaden thunder]

ye

[brazen rose]

Psychic communion

[leaden thunder]

I run it like 90% of the time

mainly due to lazyness

but it's quite good

[brazen rose]

with hordes is very powerful

[ornate hamlet]

crap don't buy

[long wharf]

well that makes me sad

FartShart is doubling down on the RNG nature of loot discovery and mission selection

[void mural]

Yeah, I'm hoping that the mission thing is just a quick fix before they take time to actually rework it properly, but I'm not hopeful

[agile vapor]

so how do staves lineup? I like my Voidstrike because of the big boom collision sound, but the Palpatine one seems like it is good for AOE stun if not kill on some elites

[leaden thunder]

purge,surge > the other two generally

[void mural]

Purge - best close range aoe and for anything besides carapace and long range
Surge - murders flak armored enemies, can stun almost any enemy, not too great at dealing with hordes
Voidstrike - good generalist, decent horde clear, ok at long range but guns are better
Trauma - decent aoe, can mess you up with enemy knockback throwing them behind your team if you're not careful

[slender plaza]

i think this is it. fatshark doubling down on the mission board marks the death of this game for me

[void mural]

I hope it's just a bandaid while they deal with other stuff first before reworking it, but I'm not hopeful

[agile vapor]

sounds like Void for randoms, Surge for CC, Purge for when the zealot forgets their flamer

[void mural]

Pretty much

Most people say purge is most powerful

[spice veldt]

you will probably want Purg for randoms

[leaden thunder]

it is by and large

it has functionally unlimited cleave

works on most anything

[void mural]

It won't help for when your PUG group can't kill shooters

[slender plaza]

to me its surge vs purg for randos
each has its own weakness

[leaden thunder]

and has actua lsynergy with your talents

[fierce sinew]

at least we dodged random blessing tiers

that's a relief

[void mural]

What do you mean? We still have to RNG to get better tiers

[safe crystal]

You pop your 6 stack AB on shooters in that case. Purg builds can do a lot of things, it just takes a while

[fierce sinew]

you get the tier of the item you sacrifice

[void mural]

Hmmm... i guess, though it depends on how spread out they are

[slender plaza]

having to head pop a dozen shooters when im clutching the game with purg makes me want to rage quit

[leaden thunder]

keep in mind we are gonna get a lot more stuff

as well

so hopefully

it will be much easier to get t4s

[void mural]

That was always going to be. They got rid of blessing combining though, which is stupid

[leaden thunder]

it's not suprising at all

[fierce sinew]

it wasn't always going to be, this is the first confirmation of it, and it was specifically called out as a frequent question because it hadn't been confirmed until now

[leaden thunder]

since they pretty much entirely threw out what they where gonna do

[void mural]

It's not with how they've made this game, but it is stupid

[sweet drift]

Yeah I remember people speculating on the bad wording then getting into dick fights over their interpretation of the devblog

[void mural]

Eh? From the original iteration in December the blessing was going to be directly copied. I guess technically they omitted mentioning what blessing rarity you'd get from it in the previous crafting blog?

[long wharf]

welp, I don't see a reason to resume playing Darktide just yet

[fierce sinew]

It's enormously charitable to consider that omission a technicality, given the amount of rng elsewhere. You have to roll for higher tier perks even when it costs nothing, for example. People wouldn't have been blowing up their comms about it had they ever said it would be otherwise

but they have now, so nuisance averted

[void mural]

Ha, fair enough I suppose with their track record

Personally the only thing I was worried about was getting higher rarity blessing unlocked, and it appears I was right to be worried, because it's exactly what i thought it was going to be, and it sucks

[long wharf]

and there's no reason to think blessing unlocks are going to be account-wide

seeing as weapons aren't

[void mural]

Oh lol, heck no, of course they arent

That's just a given

[long wharf]

what a punishingly stupid decision on FartShart's part

[void mural]

Yup!

I mean it's the same shit the whole way down with not combining things account wide

Why would this be different if they have been entirely silent on making things account wide

[long wharf]

yeah

[void mural]

Yeah, I only get on for a few missions now and then when it feels like a fun thing to do

[uneven drift]

FatShark doesn't known well for their right choices sadly.

[fierce sinew]

weapons not being account wide at least has the (poor) excuse that you'd still have different pools of usable weapons per class anyway since not every class can use every weapon. Materials, blessings and so on really shouldn't be any harder to make account wide

[void mural]

I completely ignore the loot and I just use what I get

[void mural]

Lol, not even

[long wharf]

the only longevity this game has is for people who like to tinker with builds

the fact that that's a hard question to answer for Darktide also shines a glaring light on FartShart's incompetence

[slow karma]

Man, you alone make up for general chat's bile.

[long wharf]

who, me?

and is that a good thing?

[void mural]

You are a bit sharp when it comes to your opinions

[long wharf]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[slender plaza]

but hes right

its also funny when i look at the feat screen thinking what options i have and all that pops into my head is "oh this feat does not function at all, so does that one"

[candid crest]

what are the dump stats on surge?

[devout axle]

Charge Speed and Quell Speed, I think?

[void mural]

Yeah, there's a bunch that just are non-options

[twilit flicker]

Allow me to answer in the most objective and vague way possible, and ill do it in question format.
Where does true knowledge begin?

[spice veldt]

wrong chat but I'd reroll +elite% to something else

[leaden thunder]

^

[cold geode]

doh, sorry XD

[leaden thunder]

elite to flak

[spice veldt]

reminding psykers that we don't get heavy swords

what a cruel person you are

[cold geode]

yea, i want one on my psyker as well

[echo turtle]

Quell is probably onne of the most impoortant

[long osprey]

Does psykinetic aura works on alliés too or just yourself? (Level 15 feat)

[leaden thunder]

that the decrease in cd?

[neat sand]

100% agree quell = reload speed, never a dump stat on a staff 🙂

[leaden thunder]

if so then yes it works on allies

[spice veldt]

when the Psyker with Aura kills an elite, everyone in Coherency gets the -15% ult CD

but if an ally in Coherency kills an elite, nothing will happen unless they themselves are a Psyker with Psykinetic's Aura

[sly matrix]

What are the most important stats on a surge staff?

[long osprey]

I’d want some quick charge rate on it

And peril resist as you will use it to stun

[limber silo]

Why would I need to quell when I have a non-FS to use and quell faster anyways?

Quell Speed is the dump stat imo

[neat sand]

as you can build wrap faster then your cds

[west stream]

oh, so I guess it's superb for BB builds

for whatever reason I imagined it was other way around

[spice veldt]

to be fair, they use (Allies in Coherency) for the ogryn CD reduc as well

which works the way that you initially thought it would (allies that kill elites refresh your CD)

I think

nvm

that feat has actually good wording

[leaden thunder]

[spice veldt]

Psyk Aura is pretty good in general

even if you don't use BB a lot

[void mural]

Typical FS bad tooltips

[west stream]

that's why my games don't have tooltips

the player must not be misled

[leaden thunder]

[west stream]

matter of fact, better if they're not led at all

[floral solstice]

welp we didn't get next week'd at least, end of feb instead

there's a tempting 2k games sale at steam though aaaaaaaah

[forest coral]

end of month'd

[floral solstice]

you played borderlands before kimo?

[forest coral]

I have

never been huge into it tho

[floral solstice]

only played base game and dlc1 myself on ps4

but dang it's 90% off rn

then it ends up on steam backlog

btw i just remembered they said they were changing weekly contracts with new stuff and possibly decreased number on that damn 25 missions quest

wonder if that's still coming this feb lol

[forest coral]

the game is really solid and the dialogue is hilarious

I just couldn't get into it oddly enough

[floral solstice]

did you at least finish a playthrough?

imo borderlands 2 still better

i dont think i'll buy it even on sale though

but 17 bucks for the ultimate edition, less than 5 bucks for base game is tempting

[forest coral]

Hmm

Never quite finished but I think I stopped playing because the friends I was going through stopped as well

[floral solstice]

but you stuck with dt, shame jk

yeah i'll guess i'll prolly just buy wonderlands base game to try something new

[forest coral]

well if worse comes to worst I'll just go back to playing monhun

[floral solstice]

most satisfied fatshark customers

[forest coral]

meeh its a game, waiting on the day a large company puts out a finished title on release

oh wait, hi fi rush

https://tenor.com/view/hi-fi-rush-808-808nod-hi-fi-rush808-nod-gif-27480237

[sleek loom]

did they fix traumastaff dmg?

[idle bay]

https://youtu.be/UQ4PnCTGwJ4

With creature spawner for Meat Grinder now more testing can be done with AI on 🙂

Can finally see how many seconds 13 stamina + 65% Block can hold fire on Delector

[floral solstice]

once again it's up to the community to fix the game

[idle bay]

Indeed 🙂

Those QoL modes will make it more tolerable to play.

148 missions left for that cool 1000 mission Frame 🙂

[cyan notch]

nice to see so many good vt2 mods here

creature spawner
hub hotkey
scoreboard tweaks
ui tweaks
disable screen effects

[idle bay]

Damnit not a single good Vraks MK VII on my Psyker.... ok MK III will do then

[idle bay]

Gun Psykers are on now for me 🙂

I don;t want to rely on lame ass vets to kill special elites and swarms of shooters anymore

[slender plaza]

or you know...you can just deal with that by playing vet

[idle bay]

But i'm psyker main 🙂

Gun Psyker now is absolute murdrer machine

Most of vet player suck ass anyway - it take them hours to kill few shooters

Most of the threat comes from ranged enemies and special and elites, but no we play revolver ....

[maiden wolf]

Ya boi finally finished all his Psyker penances

[idle bay]

Now therapy sessions ? 🙂

[maiden wolf]

of course

[idle bay]

I needed few after "Going out with a bang"

Some really sick kark invented psyker penances

[north cradle]

If I'm reading this right, the breakpoints for a Power Sword are 70% Cleave Targets and 51% Mobility so I can cleave maximum targets and have four dodge tokens?

[rocky cedar]

MK III is the best one lol

[forest coral]

III is my fav thing to run on vet

[obtuse crypt]

I wish the mk 3 would fire just a tad bit faster, then it'd feel almost exactly like the BR from halo

[rocky cedar]

III is fast firing as heck

[idle bay]

I like Vraks MK VII more 🙂

[rocky cedar]

That's fine, they're all good though I think Agrip is clear worst

[forest coral]

aesthetically i like the IX the best

but unfortunately its terrible

[pine relic]

I didn't realize how peril can fk you up so bad, you can't hear any specials near you

[idle bay]

You can sense them at some point without audio cues when you get used to AI director spawn patterns

You simple know at some point that - that particalur door way will spawn specials

[spice veldt]

i live in fear of hounds whenever I reach 100% peril

[maiden wolf]

DRIP ACQUIRED

[sweet drift]

Now thats a drippy psyker

[grizzled jasper]

Nice Jo-Jo Pose

[pine relic]

I don't even know how did i get this one

[maiden wolf]

Are you wondering how to get one of the outfit items?

[pine relic]

the pose

[maiden wolf]

oooh

look in the cosmetics section in the bottom right corner.

[maiden wolf]

Once you reach level 30 you should have unlocked both poses.

[pine relic]

Ok

I hate mutants

can't kill this thing in Damnation, it's just like the old Heresy game.

[spice veldt]

mutants are fine until I look at my hp and realize I have no toughness to eat their slams

with the force sword, you can usually prep a special and heavy them as they pass by

[pine relic]

random mobs touch you twice while the mutant grabs you, you are dead too.

[spice veldt]

absolutely hate that

especially when they drag you into the horde

i love it when they take me out of one though

[pine relic]

force sword is not good against mutants either, its short dodge distance, and you need at least two charged special attacks to kill him

[spice veldt]

wish we could directional input their throws

a heavy + normal attack + normal attack headshot is enough to kill them with a good enough roll, +maniac, and psykinetic's wrath

[pine relic]

if you are in an open area it's not hard to dodge mutants, but place like this

[spice veldt]

they're pretty rough against corners

because even though they have an insane turning radius, they still have a large hitbox that gimps you

like that stairway leading up to the finale for commsplex

[pine relic]

I got grabbed by it three times before I died.

I believe I was in full health before a mob hit me, once

[forest coral]

Tbh muties and dogs are the main reason i started to use Duelling sword V over force sword in most damnation runs

since the dodge distance helps alot with their crap + overhead follow up can 3 shot muties in damnation and 2 shot dogs

[echo turtle]

Hey gents, I just finished streaming my psyker gun build

https://www.twitch.tv/rhinoxerous

video is here for anyone who was curios about how it worked

[echo turtle]

yeah, it's a great weapon

[spice veldt]

i'm kinda the opposite, since my main reason for whipping out the FS was also mutants and dogs

[echo turtle]

Yeah FS is actually really bad against mutants and dogs

[spice veldt]

it's not too bad for mutants, but the dodge is spotty if I dodge too late; I was looking over some footage and the dodge seemed inconsistent even though I dodged at about the same timing

[echo turtle]

the dodge distance is low, which makes a successful dodge less likely. Muties arent stun locked so you wind up a heavy strike and then they charge into you, often before the damage ticks

[spice veldt]

like prep a special, hold a heavy, dodge to the side, and smack em

usually works especially since the FS has an insanely long heavy duration

i wonder if it's because I dodged left versus right (from my perspective) or not since the mutant always sticks his (from his perspective) left arm out

[forest coral]

I feel its most consistent to dodge to the left but

might just be a placebo thing

[echo turtle]

I don't think it matters at all

[forest coral]

yea

[echo turtle]

If you wanna dodge a mutie

[forest coral]

All i know is you need to wait for that second when they raise their arm to grab then dodge

otherwise you get homed into

[echo turtle]

stop using force swords and run a dagger, dueling sword or something else with up to 15% dodge distance bonus

[spice veldt]

no

i love me force sword

[forest coral]

The stupidest thing with them is when they still chase you around a pillar

[echo turtle]

then its easy

haha sometimes it do be like that

[forest coral]

and its like a loopy motion

that defies all manner of physics

[rigid blade]

In terms of effectiveness, how are the staves now with Trauma buffed?

[echo turtle]

some people swear by trauma

I find it slow and clunky

[forest coral]

Purg is strong af, Trauma and voidstrike significantly benefit from Warp battery

[echo turtle]

Purge is good, surge is good if you know when to use it and when not to

[forest coral]

Surge is still a stun stick but slightly better at killing flak elites

[spice veldt]

purg > surge = trauma > void is my opinion

[rigid blade]

Been trying the latter a bit more, stats could be better but eh not too bad.

[echo turtle]

Surge also clutch zone denial for disablers and bursters

[rigid blade]

Honestly the low point of that staff is the explosion radius at a hilarious 33%

[spice veldt]

in a more coordinated team, surge is better

[echo turtle]

but its IMO mainly for clearing shooters

[forest coral]

I have a void strike at 80%, it will clear out open areas of hordes alone

[rigid blade]

Honestly been trying Void more cause I keep getting into areas with 30 fucking gunners.

[forest coral]

yeah, its mainly why i use it

[echo turtle]

surge actually would be better for that generally

[forest coral]

I only surge with organized groups

[echo turtle]

unless they are in a clump

also, guns

[rigid blade]

I want to do Gun Psyker on Damnation

[echo turtle]

I just streamed it

above

[rigid blade]

If only cause I only get good guns on fucking PSYKER

[forest coral]

lmao same

Melk treats my psyker to some excellent guns knowing full well we'll almost never use them

meanwhile zealot and vet get the trash

[rigid blade]

I cannot wait for the update holy hell. It'll let me get a weapon I wanted to try out whenever I want.

[forest coral]

yep, just waiting on changes so that psyker actually has proper synergy with guns as well

[echo turtle]

I think it works pretty good as is

[forest coral]

well thats more the gun being good and warp stacks

[echo turtle]

This build works so well with the gun

[rigid blade]

Been thinking of switching the last perk to 3 rather than 2

[echo turtle]

Tons of regen, super efficient BB, kinetic flayer procs

[rigid blade]

Since im not using a Purg

[echo turtle]

I use this build even with the purg

[rigid blade]

What is the 5th 1 again?

[echo turtle]

flayer

[rigid blade]

No I meant

1

[forest coral]

ye essence harvest, how come u dont use communion outta curiosity

[echo turtle]

battery

psykinetic aura is incredible

each spelite I drop, my ult gets 15% closer to being off cooldown

the entire party gets that CDR too

[rigid blade]

Synergizes with the last perk and allows you to spam BB to hell and back to get your Charges back then

[echo turtle]

so say I drop 3 spelites

[rigid blade]

Does it HAVE to be the Psyker or can it be anyone in the aura?

[echo turtle]

10 seconds fast BB, then 5 seconds normal then I ult again

[forest coral]

anyone afaik

[echo turtle]

The way it works is

[forest coral]

vets will love u for it

[echo turtle]

if YOU get the kil everyone gets the CDR

[spice veldt]

i love myself for it

[echo turtle]

its worded if They get the kill they get CDR but I hear it is triggered by you

[rigid blade]

Oh god I am NOT good at killing Specials/Elites

[forest coral]

ye funny fatshark descriptions go brr

[rigid blade]

People always kill em before me

[forest coral]

oh just brainburst

[echo turtle]

I haven't tested it myself but I have heard a few times the psyker needs to get the kills

Brainburst

especially faster BBs

I get so many kills

[spice veldt]

yeah; only occurs when the Psyker with Aura kills elites/specials

[rigid blade]

By the time i've BB'd the Zealot is moving at Mach 2 with a Charged Hammer and a heavy attack

[forest coral]

in higher diff

[echo turtle]

what makes the gun and BB build flow is you run perils up with BB, then switch to gun and shoot

[forest coral]

you'll be killing alot of carapace and specials dw

[echo turtle]

you quell super fast while doing that

[spice veldt]

kinetic barrage makes it easy to snipe gunners/shotgunners

[forest coral]

and use it in Kinetic barrage window

ye

[echo turtle]

ye

[rigid blade]

run perils up what?

[echo turtle]

so stronk

you run perils up to 100 with brain bursts