or play at an absurdly unreasonable time for your timezone so that no one else joins your games
#psyker-class
spice veldt
half iron
the barrels when they give you goofy ahh deaths
steel egret
Barrel is about to -
cyan notch
dont say ahh ever again
steel egret
Bar -
half iron
“yes, beloved, the barrel is about to explo-“
floral solstice
better than barrels exploding https://streamable.com/44pvs9
steel egret
Cretins! The B-
plucky perch
i keep getting like 25% damage 80% charge rate surge staffs in the markety
grizzled jasper
better than barrels exploding https://streamable.com/44pvs9
my man tried his best to protect ammo box i respect that
faint mauve
is the lightning staff any good?
I've recently taken to using the force staff and I'm worried the chain lightning will be less or just as effective as the explosion on the force staff
safe crystal
is the lightning staff any good?
Surges role depends on the difficulty you play. On malice and lower, it deals enough damage to kill things reasonably fast, especially anything with armour, and you can fire it through some cover. Heresy+, the main use would be to CC anything dangerous (mutants, hounds, crushers etc) because it literally stops anything it hits except for monstrosities and generic chaos captain on assassination missions. It can also be used to deal with scab enemies, but poxwalkers take a while to kill even with full charge
faint mauve
so it's really good at shutting down specials
seems a bit redundant since you can just pop heads but utility is utility I suppose
safe crystal
That is true, but on heresy+, you need multiple brain bursts to kill some elites and specials if you have no warp charges at all. And damnation, even with 6 charges, you cant one shot a rager, for example
faint mauve
ah so it's less overall burst damage than head popping, but it's more consistent?
spice veldt
it deals bonus damage against armour (flak, carapace), but that's about it
it's more for stunning specials in place so that your team can kill them easily
safe crystal
Think of it more as a tool to take pressure off of your team, rather than a tool that kills efficiently. It helps your team immensely if some enemies are taken out of the picture for a while (and you can do it for a long while)
spice veldt
e.g., your team doesn't need to worry about ragers doing their combo since they're going to be basically frozen in place
safe crystal
Also, it makes poxbursters skate around
You can put them right next to the vet somewhere where the explosion doesnt do anything
faint mauve
alright lighting staff is for special utility and force staff is for horde utility
spice veldt
by force staff you mean Trauma?
I generally don't recommend using Trauma for pure hordes consisting except for making space to revive a teammate or whatever, you're in a corridor/tight space where it doesn't really matter if you throw commons around, etc.
patent steeple
btw how useful is Cerebral Laceration on Damnation or Heresy? i feel like it could be useful to assist in killing elites and specials (especially bosses, sometimes bulwarks and crushers), but i need some confirmation on this considering the existence of Psi Aura as a much better option...
wet jacinth
The 25% damage from other sources?
patent steeple
yes, compared to 15% CD reduction on elite kill for everyone in Coherency
light quail
CD would be good for your vet
although its likely they're running the VS shooters 30 and thus will have a long long period of headhunting
meaning they're taking out all the specials and you dont get to kill them unless you're on it like paint
patent steeple
meaning they're taking out all the specials and you dont get to kill them unless...
i mean if i remember right the CD reduction applies whenever anyone in coherency kills elites, but im most likely wrong about that detail...
spice veldt
nah; only applies to your kills
the wording is quite shit, but the ult CD only occurs when the psyker with Aura kills elites/specials
wet jacinth
I believe I still run psychic communion
But debated when I eventually play this game again to use cerebral lacerations
safe crystal
Lacerations is only really useful on monstrosities and generic chaos captain on damnation, not sure if heresy reaches a breakpoint on one of the ogryns
spice veldt
I rarely use BB against enemies that take more than one BB to kill, so it's not useful in my case
since I have the Force Sword and Trauma staff to beat the shit out of any melee elite
if BB is your main anti-crusher weapon, I could see some use
i don't know if it hits any breakpoints though
wet jacinth
That's another thing. Just whether or not you actually use BB
safe crystal
No breakpoints on damnation at least, 6 charges and lacerations leaves crushers at 26 hp after the 2nd brainburst
patent steeple
the wording is quite shit, but the ult CD only occurs when the psyker with Aura ...
hmmm quite bad if a vet is around then, although ive had some cases where the vets (because there usually are 2) have bigger problems in the form of a massive endless horde in their face (this became apparent in the final part of the dish-alignment mission in throneside, in which we got wiped badly).
spice veldt
i personally just take elite kills regardless, since I have 0 trust in my vets to do well
in general I run a trustless build
spice veldt
nice stat roll
slender plaza
voidstrike needs a damage buff pretty badly
spice veldt
interestingly, it has higher base damage than the trauma staff
but it also has a slower charge time at 100% Charge Rate
slender plaza
trauma has so much better cc tho. if surge is pure cc then trauma is the middle ground between cc and damage while voidstrike leans to damage
cyan notch
Finally something good from the shop
impressive, very nice
spice veldt
I whipped it out for a single mission and didn't find it to be very impactful
leaden thunder
patent steeple
i personally just take elite kills regardless, since I have 0 trust in my vets t...
fair point, but i feel like BB with Lacerations is just there to make enemies that survive first BB easier to kill by rest of team or in melee since i use chainsword...
spice veldt
true
the problem is that the debuff lasts only 5 seconds
so there's a secondary condition of attacking the enemy within 5 seconds
hmm, I wonder how much it would enhance the damage done by the Force sword
slender plaza
and the stuff that can be killed within 5 seconds dont really need that debuff anyway
cyan notch
https://tenor.com/view/american-psycho-gif-25058499
without fail lmao
leaden thunder
spice veldt
i wonder if I would just nuke crushers with a cerebral lacerations BB with a +carapace force sword
patent steeple
hmm i guess i might try Communion first, then Lacerations, and if both are trash i will go back to Aura...
spice veldt
communion's useful if you're using Essence Harvest and/or Ascendant Blaze/Quicken
slender plaza
i wonder if I would just nuke crushers with a cerebral lacerations BB with a +ca...
prob will still need 2~3 heavy special hits to kill one
long wharf
surge does something trauma can't
safe crystal
Also use communion over the others, the CDR would be a lot better if the ults were more impactful
spice veldt
I think my Force Sword heavy does 1.2k headshot
long wharf
it can hit things without having to precisely aim
it can easy stop mutants and dogs
it doesn't spread out groups
leaden thunder
a decent vet doesn't super need the cdr, zealot if they are crit it's useless(but quite good otherwise), ogryn it's nice and I think stacks with ogryns own cdr for it
long wharf
you can u se trauma to CC, but it's not really CC the way surge is
slender plaza
it can easy stop mutants and dogs
shitty servers have come in the chat
safe crystal
Vets going to always be in headhunt, ogryns might like it and most zealots i've seen are knife hobos recently
spice veldt
yeah, part of the reason for running the FS is to deal with mutants and dogs
pale crescent
tbf knife hoboing is really fun
spice veldt
chainsword would fulfill the same role
leaden thunder
none knife hobo zealot wil llike it
long wharf
shitty servers have come in the chat
blame it on whatever you want, surge is still better in that situation
safe crystal
chainsword would fulfill the same role
This is true, im knife hoboing right now myself :>
leaden thunder
since it's a big part of survivability
safe crystal
Woops,wrong quote
leaden thunder
can be used to help ogryns get that achievement
spice veldt
tsk tsk
slender plaza
blame it on whatever you want, surge is still better in that situation
im in the surge gang bro i just hate when my zap connects but doesnt cc
safe crystal
Hey, im not used to the chat being THIS active
leaden thunder
I haven't had that happen
safe crystal
Unless people are arguing
spice veldt
the visual can lie to you
if you move your camera around, the lightning will seem to affect some enemies
and it'll even apply that ugly blue texture on them
leaden thunder
I have been liking trauma but as I am not comfortable with my psyker I don't play him at high diffs where it falls off
spice veldt
but it won't actually affect them
long wharf
im in the surge gang bro i just hate when my zap connects but doesnt cc
well, everybody hates that, yes.
definitely issue with lag
spice veldt
I mostly use Trauma for shooters, and it's just convenient that it can stagger large enemies
slender plaza
the visual can lie to you
i realize that obvious part. what im referring to is when zap connects to the mob im aiming for. the damage goes through but no cc
spice veldt
interesting
safe crystal
I find knife hobo on damnation to be extremely soothing after playing psyker for a bit
leaden thunder
you think they bump trauma's damage against unarmored/infested and it'd be good
spice veldt
i wonder if it's a general bug
since I've dumped a force sword special into crushers, and they didn't get staggered
leaden thunder
so it doesn't throw around hoards as much
spice veldt
so I just sit there watching an overhead strike upon me
I think it's fine
since the stagger is its main strength
just don't use it as your main hordeclear
slender plaza
so I just sit there watching an overhead strike upon me
crusher and bulwarks have these stagger invulnerability period after they recover from a heavy stagger like being pushed to the ground
but yeah its bs
spice veldt
i hate the stagger invulnerability, but I get why it's there
cyan notch
since I've dumped a force sword special into crushers, and they didn't get stagg...
happened once to me but otherwise always staggers but it was only after i shoved em on the ground so i think its just immunity
spice veldt
tbf, the times where the stagger invulnerability came into play was when I accidentally staggered a crusher away into the horde
slender plaza
i hate the stagger invulnerability, but I get why it's there
the invulnerability lasts way too long imo
leaden thunder
it happens for me alot on zealot
and ogryn
but they also have tools to throw shit around alot but they at close range
slender plaza
me looking at the crusher about to hit me
side step my sibling
spice veldt
such perverse heresy
leaden thunder
I think I have been hit be crushers overhead like twice
slender plaza
fresh pancake
leaden thunder
neither time on psyker
spice veldt
crusher overhead is relatively easy to dodge, so it's not too bad
spice veldt
but sometimes I focus too much on dodging it, and I forget to make space to dodge, so I bump into a random enemy and get stopped dead in my tracks
slender plaza
get overheaded by the assassination bosses. now that turns you to bone dust
leaden thunder
make sure to not make space before they remove your toughness as well
for extra fine bone dust
slender plaza
i kneel
cyan notch
I wish to be crushed
leaden thunder
idk how you can get all these wacky things happening to you
slender plaza
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1053823148048527440/1074670328116150353...
its amazing how often i see vets playing ads simulator
leaden thunder
that's your average camo vet
cyan notch
idk how you can get all these wacky things happening to you
quickplay never runs out of content
leaden thunder
quickplay damn?
slender plaza
that's your average camo vet
b-but camo is gud according to redditards
cyan notch
yea
leaden thunder
camo is mechanically good but technically cringe
grizzled jasper
slender plaza
unwavering focus all day long. let me tank the pew pew with my 1200 toughness
wet belfry
The second scenario tbh seems half on the ogryn
safe crystal
All i ever manage to capture are funny doggo spins before they maul someone
wet belfry
The ogryn goes in hits a barrel, blocks the veterans sight and goes to kill something thats already dead?
leaden thunder
i'd do it too
leaden thunder
had a plogryn throw an ogryn to an spot where he didn't die but was stuck
was sad
cyan notch
happened to me once too
everyone went down
mutant threw me through a fence
stuck oob as last guy
long wharf
I've had a mutant throw me into a space adjacent to an elevator shaft
leaden thunder
I think he coulda reconnected, but before I could tell him too he commited die
long wharf
bricked the run
slender plaza
commit die
leaden thunder
he's with the emperor now
slender plaza
no hes with my beloved
whats this shit with redditards saying gun psykers are good
leaden thunder
because guns are good
that's really it
and game isn't that hard so you can do it
spice veldt
BB + melee is pretty sufficient for Psyker, so the ranged slot is pretty flex
slender plaza
just because its doable doesnt mean its gud
leaden thunder
that's the difference
reddit is full of interesting stuff
like ogryns claiming that + impact is good
or that they have a blessing on a weapon that can't roll that blessing
slender plaza
theres a difference between joking about it around that joke of a shop and genuinely claiming gun psyker is good
long wharf
tell that to the people that insist gun psyker is good
leaden thunder
"Do not swap it. Thunderstrike is actually very very good. It adds immense control on an already strong stagger weapon. I have the same blessing and also one with skullcrusher and brutal momentum.
Confident strike and Thunderstrike feel way better on damnation.
I consider this BIS on maul.
Try in meatgrinder, you will not really notice skullcrusher but you will notice thunderstrike i guarantee you that" my copypasta from reddit
slender plaza
i did. all the replies i got were personal insults lmao
leaden thunder
was that last night
long wharf
oof, last night was certainly... something
floral solstice
good lord i lost braincells from the discussions here yesterday/last night
long wharf
to be fair, I should have just stopped responding, but my monkey brain insisted I keep going
floral solstice
sad part is i woke up and it was still going
slender plaza
dont tell me it was about gun psykers
leaden thunder
there was that convo then the other one that wasn't meant to be rude at all
and then got rude
long wharf
it was about gun psykers
slender plaza
alright then i dont need to knw
long wharf
basically
slender plaza
feelsbad for ya
floral solstice
reddit is leaking into discord
long wharf
I just don't like bad information being put out there
play whatever you want, I don't care
slender plaza
same
long wharf
but don't blow smoke up my ass and tell me to like it
floral solstice
it worked for them on one damnation game so it's good now 
leaden thunder
me getting carried as shieldgryn
long wharf
and they claimed they were carrying their team while doing it!
leaden thunder
what lack of a scoreboard does to an MF
long wharf
I imagine 40 minute damnation runs with everyone crawling from doorway to doorway
slender plaza
and they claimed they were carrying their team while doing it!
found him
leaden thunder
I hope that isn't frizzy our chainsword dealer
long wharf
not the same name here, no idea if the same person
slender plaza
i see eviscerator sometimes on damn
leaden thunder
for zealot chainsword is quite good for crit builds
idk how great it is on other classes tho
floral solstice
oh evisc is more common on pugs, at least in my experience
compared to 1h cadian chain
leaden thunder
it's the special zealot weapon so it gets used alot
even though I think the regular CS might be better
cyan notch
i like chainsword it goes vroom
slender plaza
i cant stand the constant diesel revs so i dont have any experience with chainsaw weapons
floral solstice
i prefer evisc, chainsword headshotting feels weird to me
cyan notch
but push attack sucks and special insonsitent stagger
leaden thunder
ah yes, repentia
slender plaza
the least crazy zealot
long wharf
eviscerator is one of the most fun weapons to use as a zealot, in my opinion
leaden thunder
I want to try a momentum + shred critviserator one of these days
see if I like that more
long wharf
bloodletter is a good blessing for evis
leaden thunder
good luck getting it tho
long wharf
yeah
floral solstice
my best evisc rolled shred 2nd and tbh it doesn't feel as good compared to other melee with shred
long wharf
er yeah, bloodthirsty
floral solstice
this game hates me
leaden thunder
that's why Iwant to try it with momentum
just to see if it makes me nigh invincible as long as I am in melee
floral solstice
sadly you'll have to use less push-attacks to make the most out of shred
well at least it isn't perfect strike/rev it up
leaden thunder
who then ran forward and got jumped by a dog
long wharf
dogs wouldn't be half so bad if you could dodge their leap
slender plaza
ive accepted that anyone can be jumped by a dog at this point. you are at the server's mercy
long wharf
unless you have a surge psyker handy who's paying attention
wet jacinth
dogs wouldn't be half so bad if you could dodge their leap
I hate that. I've dodged dogs just strafing but actual dodges. They just aimbot me
floral solstice
ive actually managed to dodge-slide dogs a couple of times especially when i wanted to BB it instead of staff
long wharf
well yeah, because the leap is an animation
floral solstice
not sure if the bb stagger helped
slender plaza
ive actually managed to dodge-slide dogs a couple of times especially when i wan...
im surge psyker. i get jumped 15% of the time
accidental reply: you can dodge the jump if they are far enough and you dodge after they jump
long wharf
as soon as the dog AI initiates the leap, it has you
cyan notch
yea ive dodged a couple times too
long wharf
the leap itself is just an animation
floral solstice
lol i played a game last week(?) where a dog ignored my surge like 3x in a row
wet jacinth
Basically a Gutter rat but worse.
leaden thunder
I run towards the dogs
wet jacinth
You have to shove it
slender plaza
lol i played a game last week(?) where a dog ignored my surge like 3x in a row
i feel you my sibling
summer prairie
use ult to stagger it before it leaps and then just lmb
slender plaza
ive had mutants and dogs giving zero fucks about surge
broken quail
Usually melee jumping dogs, but sometimes I get a good hit in and the dog ignores it
long wharf
ult is actually the most reliable way to stop a dog
slender plaza
nah the most reliable way to stop a dog is to get dogged
long wharf
well, I guess
broken quail
Have a mutant nearby
wet jacinth
ult is actually the most reliable way to stop a dog
When your teams Vet(Ogryn) is cracked and always kills the Dogs before they even get a chance to appear mid swarm
long wharf
they do stop jumping once they land on you
slender plaza
let the other 3 play the game and alt tab to amazon
cyan notch
long wharf
let the other 3 play the game and alt tab to amazon
that's some heresy right there
cyan notch
sometimes they just decide nah
long wharf
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046914150363844779/1074164729167224872...
that is a great example of why I dislike the purge primary attack
it seems far less reliable for staggering things than other methods of stagger/stun the psyker has
slender plaza
that's some heresy right there
how else are you supposed to go afk and piss during a match without getting kicked senpai
cyan notch
it seems far less reliable for staggering things than other methods of stagger/s...
its pretty reliable other than this outlier incident in my experience
more of a dog thing than purg
broken quail
how else are you supposed to go afk and piss during a match without getting kick...
How else? have you ever heard of the bottle?
long wharf
it seems like every time I give purge another chance, that's my experience
slender plaza
my problem with purge primary is that the aoe is unreliable. stagger wise thats on server
if server has no issue the purg primary should stagger the dog 200% of the time
cyan notch
yea
slender plaza
How else? have you ever heard of the bottle?
poor people cant afford bottle bro. we sell bottle for monies
long wharf
if you aren't drinking your own urine from your bottle, you aren't that poor
slender plaza
im poor bro i steal my neighbor's deer park bottled water
slender plaza
dreams
gotta admit i want new maps rather than better crafting at this point
will take a better, customizable mission board too
multiple times i look at the online mission board and just go nah i dont want to play any of these t4/5 missions
fading galleon
get dunked on sparkheads. smell ya later
slender plaza
typical vet enjoyer
floral solstice
well yeah random vets cant even play their class properly
do you really expect them to be good at psyker
slender plaza
random vets cant even look at their sights properly
thats why i only play braced daka vet
no sights
idle bay
Sudden gift that does not completely suck
leaden thunder
t4 ghosts kinda nutty
leaden thunder
on a head hunter you could keep that up almost 100% of the time if you can shoot back at enemies
slender plaza
one can keep that up if one can aim
idle bay
I'm used to Headhunter IX (on Zealot pretending that i'm vet and outkilling vet draamtically)... now i got this thing
slender plaza
ive spectated too many kantreal vets that cant aim for shit
idle bay
Now choice - either Flak or Maniac bonus on that thins?
leaden thunder
but otherwise it's quite good
flak
manic is already crap on it but flak will let you hit BPs
idle bay
ive spectated too many kantreal vets that cant aim for shit
Too many vets use keyboard arrows for aiming
It's like seeing a tracktor making a turn
switching track rotation directions
leaden thunder
bro's playing on a controller
slender plaza
neurons firing with half a second delay
idle bay
Ok.... bucket of WD-40 and Hadron here i come
empty blaze
feral topaz
can't read Russian, what are the perks
leaden thunder
one is stamina I think
idle bay
can't read Russian, what are the perks
Stamina and Carapace
young pecan
So are Psykers looked down upon?
feral topaz
Stamina and Carapace
cool thanks
split oxide
I rage deleted Darktide. and I lasted 2 weeks.
I'm back: finished FlawlessExecution(3) ... on psyker ... PUG.
(~ 200 missions to get there - before I found out why it was failing.)
broken quail
So are Psykers looked down upon?
Prior to recent update I did have people in random matches on damnation complain about me being psyker, or generally say something about psykers being burdens. I never got it, vet has always been overrated and psyker is good.
Might be that psyker is most common class that new players pick, making other classes more often mained by more experienced players who have already max psyker.
Also psyker is pretty vulnerable when used staffs, no block long staff animations and purg/surge are pretty close ranges, it’s just asking to be bonked
inland sand
Prior to recent update I did have people in random matches on damnation complain...
people have no idea what they are talking about
Psyker was good before and they're excellent now
people just struggle to play them well and then call them bad
or they listen to 'net advice' and just parrot some bad take they've heard somewhere
long wharf
ehh
psykers were decent before, they're good now
it takes more skill to play psyker well, compared to the other classes
psyker still suffers from clunky feat mechanics and shitty blessings
wet jacinth
That's If people even play Psyker well enough or basically play as a budget fake zealot/vet
echo turtle
I would take a psyker that can fight and shoot over another guy with a purgatus staff and force sword who drops to a horde of chaff when they get cornered
long wharf
I'd take a psyker that understands how to use their staff well over another guy that insists on using his gun on everything
void mural
Too many vets use keyboard arrows for aiming
Wait wut... people do that?
long wharf
I did that way back in the day, playing Marathon
idle bay
Wait wut... people do that?
They did back in 90's - we called such players "Tractor drivers"
void mural
I did that way back in the day, playing Marathon
But that's marathon... that's a relic of the era, haha
long wharf
Marathon was fantastic
in all respects
but I learned m+kb with Quake
it was too fast to aim via keyboard
void mural
Yeah, just saying you can't really compare it to aiming with keys today
void mural
They did back in 90's - we called such players "Tractor drivers"
I could mayyybe see it back then before control schemes solidified around m+kb, but today they do?
idle bay
I could mayyybe see it back then before control schemes solidified around m+kb, ...
They can do it to deliberately suck at shooting 🙂
void mural
But... why? Are the just dumb?
long wharf
and I've never heard the term "tractor drivers" before in my life, when talking about gaming (let alone control schemes)
idle bay
and I've never heard the term "tractor drivers" before in my life, when talking ...
It's russian nickname for them
long wharf
It's russian nickname for them
ah
idle bay
I have doubts about T4 Ghost Blessing:
- is it actually working?
- Does hit registration still that bad that you can send bullet every click into Reaper head to proc T4 ghost and still take ranged damage? I mean game does not count weak spot hits as is and this is why blessing does not work?
Got that blessing on this thing and did few missions - and now in doubts
vagrant furnace
Psyker is fine you just cant afford as many mistakes as other classes
idle bay
But unlike other classes Psyker can have nearly unbreakable block in melee, and in some occasions ranged block. We have tools to not make mistakes 🙂
vagrant furnace
You are absolutely right but if one have to block so many times, something went wrong
Either your teamates tools bad decisions or the psyker player did
echo turtle
Dagger and antx mk 5 axe have incredible block push attacks, i block constantly
vagrant furnace
Took
pine relic
Why are some psykers use laser guns at level 5 high-intensity game
echo turtle
cuz its good
idle bay
And it's more effective to kill swarms of shooters with lasgaun than with staffs 🙂
pine relic
If only FS show us the score board
idle bay
Shooty-shooty enemies are main threat
echo turtle
guns kill shooters
vagrant furnace
Its even better to bb them underground cover
echo turtle
i can bb a bunch, then shoot more, then bb
you bb, quell bb. gun psyker kills way more
idle bay
And Surg staff effective only vs 50% of shooters, other half - it just stuns and barely damages unless you go for LMB spam
vagrant furnace
Sorry my phone doing shit
echo turtle
thats why. Its also fun and refreshing
pine relic
I prefer they use surge staff to stun those crushers
echo turtle
the psykers main think is being able to pick apart crushers and bulwarks. Also deleting snipers. u don’t need a staff for that
idle bay
Switched from Flamer to Headhunter Autogun on my Zealot and now every run is a breeze 🙂
pine relic
The psyker was absolutely useless in that game
echo turtle
I prefer they use surge staff to stun those crushers
is tgat THE john warhammer?
crushers tend to be ib mixed hordes, so bb is often the tool
surge becomes useless when chaff is mixed in. which is most situations
fwiw i love the surge staff
iron marten
the psykers main think is being able to pick apart crushers and bulwarks. Also d...
Can confirm. I was mostly flame psyker but tried a quick game last night as gun psyker and was surprised how well I handled hordes and ragers. Just every now and them BB some distant trash for warp charges for max damage on it.
I still would love to have more staff variety though because I don't like hunting ammo like everyone else.
green raven
Staff infection
pine relic
is tgat THE john warhammer?
There is more than one John out there, though I never met another John.
echo turtle
its a joke
pine relic
I was annoyed because my veteran and zealot can't deal with Crushers and Bulwarks, they were using brace auto guns, and the AI spawned tons of crushers, and I have to use grenades and F and flamer everytime
echo turtle
Can confirm. I was mostly flame psyker but tried a quick game last night as gun...
I reccomend doing more BB and just mag dump into hordes then dive and melee
I am doing BB all the time when running guns
echo turtle
I was annoyed because my veteran and zealot can't deal with Crushers and Bulwark...
zealits can down crushed with the braced. Just trigger ult and unload
but its 1 every 30 seconds lol
iron marten
I do. I kind of enjoy the mix and match playstyle it allows instead of saving BB for only big guys. Just a different and fun playstyle to it all
echo turtle
Crushers, bulwarks and snipers are the psykers #1 target priority at all times
its one of the reasons I prefer kinetic barrage and love to run flayer. it makes you better at what our class is specialized in dealing with
pine relic
zealits can down crushed with the braced. Just trigger ult and unload
Well he didn't do it so I had to, it's tiresome.
echo turtle
I do. I kind of enjoy the mix and match playstyle it allows instead of saving B...
Yeah its fun, it flows real real nicely, no downtome except for occasionally reloading rhe gun, which I tend to do only behind cover or when moving to a new engagement
void mural
For gun psyker, you guys mostly run gun for shooters?
echo turtle
Well he didn't do it so I had to, it's tiresome.
Bad player
void mural
Which gun(s)?
echo turtle
For gun psyker, you guys mostly run gun for shooters?
yeah, mk3 vraks headhunter is my fave
I hipfire into specialists (not maniacs)
drops ragers and maulers real fast
burst into shooters
shoot instead of quelling
void mural
I was never much interested in the headhunters, are they that much better after the patch?
pine relic
The zealot probably didn't want to waste his ammo on crushers.
echo turtle
they got a massive ammo boost and + damage va flak
I think your party was just bad lol
void mural
Ah, so good for anything but carapace and maniacs?
echo turtle
vraks headhunters are weak vs maniac and useless vs carapace
but luckily for you, you’re a psyker
void mural
Yeah, exactly
echo turtle
melee mutants, Bb ogryns
iron marten
I was never much interested in the headhunters, are they that much better after ...
I felt the same because they felt so weak compared to las rifles but now the MkIII I played with at least last night felt like it hit like a truck
void mural
Which one is mk3? One of the burst fire ones?
echo turtle
played about, 20 Damnation games and it’s fully dailed in
iron marten
Yeah
echo turtle
yes, the 3 round burst
mk7 is fine too, it doesn’t matter much
but I personally prefer the mk3
hipfire 3 round bursts are deadly accurate
zoom is real nice
iron marten
I felt like a Swiss Army knife. Had the tools to take on whatever we faced and felt like I could keep myself pretty safe too
pine relic
Psyker is the safest class.
echo turtle
Kill shooters
BB specialist said
punch hordes
you can deal with literally anything
echo turtle
Psyker is the safest class.
if played extremely well
pine relic
unless your veteran is using camouflage to troll you.
echo turtle
You have to be excellent in melee, be situationally aware, learn the staves and gunplay, be super mobile
I see so many psykers turtle with Force swords and die when things get hectic becuase they can’t fight
void mural
I take it that the recoil reduction makes the burst fire much better now?
echo turtle
I only used post patch
pine relic
if played extremely well
I played all classes, I think Pysker is just generally a safe class.
void mural
Ah
void mural
When I tried some burst fire ones previously, I felt like I couldn't always land the full burst on target
echo turtle
its rock steady now
echo turtle
Such a crapshoot finding one
truth
void mural
Headhunters are the ones that can roll crucian roulette, right?
echo turtle
yes
void mural
Nice!
echo turtle
right!
void mural
I'm hoping FS gets at least some things right with the upcoming weapon crafting
echo turtle
I would run that same build with a surge staff btw
void mural
I at least want to be able to get close to 380 weapons
I don't have anything above 360
echo turtle
my gun is like 340
void mural
Ah
olive ember
No point running crucian roulette now tho
void mural
Oh?
olive ember
they removed the thing which gave you crit when it was holstered unless they lied and the thing wasn't actually fixed
leaden thunder
that's 100% been fixed
olive ember
yeah then theres basically no point
void mural
Oh, I wasn't going to run it for that
brazen rose
gotta say zealot is fun to hear
void mural
Yeah, with its intended use, it's still good imo
echo turtle
mine will drop a rager ib a single burst on a crit
leaden thunder
it's ok, would rather have something that gave power, but since hh don't get any of those it's a solid option
void mural
Actually, I suppose that makes the ammo stat important on headhunters doesn't it
olive ember
I mean you would be better off running a mg 12 las
leaden thunder
crucian doesn't actually work off of the ammo in the weapon
olive ember
if you plan on actually using a gun
echo turtle
ammo is never a problem for me, and i play only damnation
void mural
I've used mk12 a lot. It's good, but I'm down to try other things now
echo turtle
mk 12 is good
void mural
ammo is never a problem for me, and i play only damnation
I meant for crucial roulette
void mural
crucian doesn't actually work off of the ammo in the weapon
Wait, wut?
echo turtle
ah, Supposedly its by % not by shot
void mural
Wooo... fatshark out here lying again...
echo turtle
lol
echo turtle
its still good
void mural
Every damn tool tip is a lie
echo turtle
just not insane
leaden thunder
would rather have it then surgical
surgical is ass
takes like 5 years to stack up and is consumed the next shot
void mural
That honestly makes it a lot more ass than it should be
Every bullet missing would mean you could get up to like 75% crit or something depending on the gun
leaden thunder
this is more of my personal opinon, but in general I don't rate crits that highly unless you can a)make it go to 100% or b) it procs something else
void mural
But if 10 stacks is the limit, what 30% crit?
leaden thunder
but as the HH has very few damage blessings
void mural
this is more of my personal opinon, but in general I don't rate crits that highl...
Yeah, I thought you could get near 100% with roulette
leaden thunder
keep in mind you have a 5% base
void mural
Yup
leaden thunder
and some weapons have crit chains, though Idon't think the HH does
leaden thunder
for example on hte recon las gun if you crit you will crit like 5(?) times in a row after then you can't crit for another 5 shots
iirc
only some weapons have this
void mural
Oh, so fast firing guns probably?
Huh
Oh, that's why the burn procs are so good on recon?
leaden thunder
that + it fires fast anyway so it would proc it well without crit chains
doesn't really help it that much tho
void mural
Well yeah, but 5 guaranteed crits is pretty good for things that proc on crit
echo turtle
HH gets crit on all 3 shots in the burst
leaden thunder
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2892198053 afaik this has it all in it
leaden thunder
considering that the HH don't have the best offensive blessings it's solid
echo turtle
ghost and suppression immunity is what I have, it hardly matters though
the HH has very good dps into the target we bring it for
void mural
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2892198053 afaik this has...
Oh, is this what blessings actually do?
leaden thunder
it should be
echo turtle
Falter is real good
Ghost
Crucian
Between the eyes
Slap + flak +unarmored or both and you’re set
lethal folio
No respite.
void mural
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2892198053 afaik this has...
Crucian roulette is still listed as written in game here, not % of mag
leaden thunder
idk
I am pretty sure it works with the % of mag
at least it does for the revolver
still hearth
It does work with % on mag.
void mural
Well, kinda a big difference between the two for results
leaden thunder
most of that guide is right
echo turtle
Terrifying barrage also seems like it would be quite good
wet belfry
Terrifying barrage also seems like it would be quite good
It could mess up aim no?
echo turtle
I mean you would be better off running a mg 12 las
the mk3 vraks has a number of advantages over the mk12 las.
Headhunter DPS is better on flak I beleive, and is very very good at hipfire which the las is bad at.
There’s give and take and depending on playstyle one will outshine the other. Mk12 is great and well rounded. The HH is really good at some specific things, and those are what I use it for when running gun psyker
echo turtle
It could mess up aim no?
I don’t see why it would
celest hedge
the vrak3 is an amazing weapon in general
just replace the weapon bash with a flashlight and it'd be one of the best weapons on any class
broken quail
Ain’t the headhunter 7 the semi auto one? Has a good ROF so can shoot bloody fast with left click, too bad ammo count is rather low
scarlet rampart
So I'm trying to get into Psyker and get better at it, but I cannot make a solid choice on building for it. It feels awful no matter what I do for it for my 5-30 skills. I do know that I wanna be all about flames and burning the world down so I am running the flamer staff and the soul blaze abilities
Any suggestions for skills that I should run?
fierce sinew
121112
shadow wigeon
111112 can help with the toughness in case that’s an issue, but it isn’t a huge change.
broken quail
So I'm trying to get into Psyker and get better at it, but I cannot make a solid...
The only soul blaze ability worth anything is the lvl 30 one. All others are dead weight
shadow wigeon
The only soul blaze ability worth anything is the lvl 30 one. All others are dea...
Also because they all displace very strong abilities, sadly.
celest hedge
the appa one is the single shot, the vraks 3 is the 3 round burst, and the other vrak is the 2 round
celest hedge
my go to for purge staff is 121213, you can go 2 at the end but I like maintaining my stacks and the fast and cheap BB helps makes up for your lack of range and burst damage
with tranquality you can use the staff for a long while before you need to vent, communion gives you a chance to build warp charge on kill which helps with that, and it lets you get it from teammate kills, which is also good since your fire softens up hordes enough for teammates to kill them very easily. Being able to have 2 extra stacks of charges is good for the resistance and damage, and with the new warp charge system, it gives you a bigger buffer in case your get unlock with communion so it takes longer for all your stacks to go away
and with the easy free warp charges thanks to communion, essence harvest is a nice choice for kind of effortless toughness regen. Because you can focus on using your staff more often and because you can chew through trash with a flame staff, you can farm for battle meditation so you get free venting, which is another reason not to take mind in motion at level 20. You could also take deflector but I don't care for it and shield kind of fits more with the warp charge stuff
shadow wigeon
If you’re using communion and AB, you really shouldn’t need to hold on to warp charges. A good AB hit should return several to you already, and purg staff should be generating them regularly with AB passive.
Difficulty matter though. On lower doffs communion doesn’t return that many charges, nor does AB, on account of fewer targets.
Agrees that Kinetic Deflector is really personal preference. It has a lot of benefits, especially around reviving allies though, or tanking an occasional big hit.
sly matrix
Im feeling frustrated on Psyker, I feel like I cant do much compared to veterans
Im close to dropping the class
broken quail
Im feeling frustrated on Psyker, I feel like I cant do much compared to veterans
Why compete with vets though. You can get good amount of kills with a decent gun, but psyker shines with AOE support and safely bursting the heads of shooters.
It doesn’t matter if you get less kills than another class, what matters is if you can keep yourself and allies from going down
slow karma
Sounds like you're spoiled by veteran's cracked damage output
I mean at the end of the day, if you're not having fun with what the class does, it's ok.
Everyone has their preferences.
I just prefer space wizards
celest hedge
surge staff is great anti special utility, purge staff is godly crowd clear,as fun as veteran is, they can't compete there
slow karma
Yeah the classes all do different things on a fundamental level
tawny swallow
psyker staffs are just fun with how they can fill in niches
nothing beats stopping a crowd of ragers in their tracks with a surge staff like
celest hedge
veteran also doesn'tget anything for melee while psyker has the extra damage off charges, flayer for free burst damage in general melee combat, and deflector as a nice defensive melee option too
and the dueling sword feels fantastic to use
tawny swallow
veterans do get the power sword
oops
more toughness/hp (I don’t remember which) to work with in melee too
leaden thunder
they have 200 toughness
but toughness takes extra damage from melee iirc
anyway
yeah you aren't gonna compete with vets damage
it's the most powerful class in the game rn
celest hedge
but their level 5 toughness feats I feel are kind of the most limited, at arm's length is for the sniper build, the headshot one can be hard to get, and the toughness on elite kill is limited to enemy spawns but is overall easy to use, and also the only one that works in melee
crude talon
veteran also doesn'tget anything for melee while psyker has the extra damage off...
Yea they only get a lawnmower sword for melee. Nbd
zealous hinge
beloved is in the walls
long wharf
veteran also doesn'tget anything for melee while psyker has the extra damage off...
this is really downplaying just how OP the power sword is
even more so if you get the ultra rare t4 blessing that lets it stay charged
broken quail
Yeah every other weapon has to deal with pesky hit mass
long wharf
since the "fix", power swords can only cleave through up to 12 enemies now
so, you know, fair and balanced.
frail summit
warp battery good?
crude talon
since the "fix", power swords can only cleave through up to 12 enemies now
Only 12? Wow. Needs a buff tbh
west stream
power sword is straight up great, no real downsides to running it imo
leaden thunder
the only downside is having to press the button every 3 swings
twilit flicker
And how cool it looks when it lights up!
void mural
Im feeling frustrated on Psyker, I feel like I cant do much compared to veterans
Don't try to overlap with vet's niche if theyre overbearing, do other things. Head pop carapace armored enemies, snipers your team isn't taking care of, and any specials your team isn't nuking, and especially maniacs that are tying up your allies in melee.
Also you can bring staves that do AOE much more efficiently than vet. Purge and voidstrike are good for hordes.
gleaming comet
as is Trauma tbf
long wharf
playing psyker well requires more situational awareness than playing the other classes well
because what you do best is dealing with things the rest of the team isn't
or momentarily can't
sly matrix
But I feel like the best I can do is protect a team that is already doing good from being overwhelmed, I dont feel the carry potential
slow karma
Because you have none
Frankly, no one should
But you're not carrying anyone as a psyker, that's not your purpose.
gleaming comet
Psyker definitely has clutch potential, but I wouldn't say any class really has "carry" potential
slow karma
Zealot sure does
gleaming comet
y'know what, fair point
tactical application of raw brute force is great for driving a wedge in the enemy formation
slow karma
But I also feel like that's kind of zealot's role
is to be the one that's SO hard to kill they can pull the team out of the fire
gleaming comet
Zealot is definitely the closest thing to a "traditional" tank in DT imo
slow karma
Well I'd still give that to Ogryn if only because they can soak an absolutely absurd amount of damage
leaden thunder
got them halo shields
slow karma
They just don't have the same output potential
gleaming comet
both oggy and zealot can soak absurd amounts of damage tbh
Until Death is a REALLY strong passive on Zealot
leaden thunder
both are also great for clutching but do it in different ways
slow karma
Yeah
Yeah
and all classes can it's just not something you should be expecting to do
gleaming comet
^
slow karma
So using it as a litmus for your enjoyment of a class is a flawed baseline
But it's also sort of valid
But limits your options in the end
gleaming comet
I guess my opinion of Psyker in that regard is because of how much survivability the class's exclusive melee weps offer
along with how much horde control/clear the staves give and how Brain Burst can take down enemy ogryns/specials
echo turtle
Im feeling frustrated on Psyker, I feel like I cant do much compared to veterans
what’s your build?
Vets have great single target ranged dps, but are pretty weak in combat due to their slow stam regen
sly matrix
what’s your build?
Either surge + duelist or purgatus + psiker sword
seeing better results with the first one if the team is already good, since I can just support and enhance them
echo turtle
Feats?
ornate hamlet
is rebless in yet?
echo turtle
nope
sly matrix
Feats?
im not level 30 yet. im at 27 and im just copying the popular ppl builds (like j_sat)
ornate hamlet
no reason to even login then
slow karma
Pretty sure you'd know if it was in
ornate hamlet
im not level 30 yet. im at 27 and im just copying the popular ppl builds (like j...
purg+axe
slow karma
We have news channels for a reason
echo turtle
im not level 30 yet. im at 27 and im just copying the popular ppl builds (like j...
Dunno who j_sat is,
sly matrix
Dunno who j_sat is,
a pretty good player
ornate hamlet
We have news channels for a reason
psyker channel only channel worth anything to me
echo turtle
This is the build I would run for surge and axe which is the weapon I reccomend with the surge
slow karma
The news channel doesn't even light up enough for it to be a burden. I wouldn't even bother checking the server if all I wanted to do was ask about that one thing.
echo turtle
Target priority is ogryns, specialists and snipers with BB
slow karma
But eh, don't mind me.
sly matrix
antax mk5 with brutal momentum
What's your reasoning? I bring the duelist sword because it helps me defend myself in hordes and the moveset is very comfy to me because its similar to Saltzpyre's rapier
slow karma
I make an active effort to distance myself from gaming crowds nowadays
slow karma
Everywhere has a Pfheonix to contend with
echo turtle
Dueling sword is good though, but I think the axe compliments the surge staff well
easier for newer players to succeed with
ornate hamlet
this is how i play the game by the way
sly matrix
Dueling sword is good though, but I think the axe compliments the surge staff we...
I have 200 hours in v2, all of em are with Saltzpyre and I just have the rapier moveset ingrained in my cerebral cortex
clever walrus
imagine that lighting with purge staff
ornate hamlet
most people think MK II combat axe is bad, it isn't.
it's true that it has hitbox issues hitting weakspots but that actually doesn't matter because it's NON weakspot dps is higher than weakspot hits with other axes, because it swings so much faster - and if you know how, you can still get weakspot hits with it anyway
(and it's crits are huge)
slow karma
Neat
ornate hamlet
i like MK VIII combat axe a lot too, it's tradeoff is having better hitbox detection on weakspots, but it swings way slower
and mine got ruined because it got limbsplitter
frank talon
No kinetic flayer?
ornate hamlet
No kinetic flayer?
kinetic flayer and kinetic overload are both viable options.
kinetic flayer is usually wasted on hoard trash mobs and CD isn't available when you want it for specialists or elites
however, on monstroucities, kinetic flayer is the better option
frank talon
Fair
ornate hamlet
thing is, you already do more than enough DPS on monstrosities with axe
echo turtle
Limbsplitter is Best in slot
ornate hamlet
Limbsplitter is Best in slot
very funny
it's actually a nerf to the weapon if you roll it, particularly on monstrosities
echo turtle
sorry combat or tactical?
ornate hamlet
sorry combat or tactical?
all of the tactical axe are trash compared to all of the combat axes
MK II, V, and VIII combat axes are the superior axes.
I prefer II since it's fast af and still high damage per hit, resulting in highest DPS of all axes
echo turtle
Its best in slot for combats, worst in tactical
slow karma
Brutal Momentum moment...
echo turtle
Each block attacj counts as a new chain
slow karma
^
echo turtle
or, use block attacks between swings
leaden thunder
sure, you can make it work, but i'd rather not be forced into it
slow karma
I mean if it fits your playstyle, fine.
But it's not "best in slot" in a global sense
Which is usually what BiS means
echo turtle
in big fights you should alwats be cleaving
echo turtle
not into a horde
slow karma
Yes into a horde
echo turtle
go to grinder and see
leaden thunder
a t4 limpslitter gives 25% power
slow karma
I've literally done it
leaden thunder
a t4 headtaker
echo turtle
sane
leaden thunder
gives 25%
lethal folio
Antax beats most weapons in horde dps just spamming lights.
leaden thunder
with no downsides
echo turtle
u are doing way less damage your way
slow karma
And?
echo turtle
but you do you
slow karma
It's horde clear
leaden thunder
again
slow karma
how much do you really need?
lethal folio
Push attacks don't horde clear.
echo turtle
i mean if clearing slower is what you want
echo turtle
then dont use cleaves
leaden thunder
with 0 downsides
echo turtle
makes no sense but ok
slow karma
Slower doesn't mean "not fast enough"
echo turtle
I oreferybetter than fine
slow karma
And it's also not as clunky
echo turtle
I use the attacks that are optimal for the situation
leaden thunder
let me reiterate, headtaker is just better as it gives the same % but with no downsides
5% 5 times
echo turtle
Head taker is great
lethal folio
Push attacks are far from optimal against hordes.
slow karma
Like I said, there's absolutely nothing wrong with your approach.
But you have to take playstyle preference into account.
Especially now since so many people just don't like Limbsplitter
For a very valid reason
sly matrix
Like I said, there's absolutely nothing wrong with your approach.
what combat axe do u recommend with the purgatus?
slow karma
Your approach clearly works just fine
leaden thunder
I call it limpshitter for a reason
echo turtle
Do you do heavy attacks into muties?
ornate hamlet
i don't use axe for hoard clear, it's for quickly dispatching specialists, elites, and monstrousities
i use purg for hoard clear, it's much better than any melee wep option and it has decent CC with left mouse attacks on most specialist and elites
learning your dodge timings well, being adept at switching between melee and staff often etc -
purge staff left mouse attack is very quick to CC most elites and specialists, and you can follow it up with melee to quickly down any enemy
echo turtle
thats not a style thats an error
slow karma
what combat axe do u recommend with the purgatus?
As heretic said, either combat axe is worth using, you just gotta pick the one you like more
Or the one that rolls better for you lol
leaden thunder
iirc the antax is generally considered the best rn
slow karma
I like the antax more myself but that's personal taste
echo turtle
as long as ir has the block cleave
leaden thunder
but they are all quite good
echo turtle
thats all that matters
leaden thunder
one of them has hit box isses but if that gets fixed should overtake the antax
Iforget which one has that tho
slow karma
Man, gamers and "objective subjectivity". Name a more iconic duo
echo turtle
the rashad right?
leaden thunder
maybe?
lethal folio
It's not a hitbox issue, it has priority for torso hitzones over heads.
leaden thunder
that
ornate hamlet
It's not a hitbox issue, it has priority for torso hitzones over heads.
correct, but it's raw damage using heavy attacks with fast attack rate make it superior anyway
echo turtle
Combat axe cleave is special, dealing massive damage to target 1 and 60 damage to targets after the third.
most weapons deal half that on targets 4+
echo turtle
Incorrect
slow karma
holy shit
ornate hamlet
if you're using axe for hoard clear you're not a psyker you're a wannabe zealot
lethal folio
It doesn't make up for losing 30-50% damage from not getting headshots.
echo turtle
Falsr
long wharf
i don't use axe for hoard clear, it's for quickly dispatching specialists, elite...
see, I do the opposite - surge for locking down enemies and closing distances so I can quickly switch to my combat axe to horde clear and chop down big things
long wharf
if you're using axe for hoard clear you're not a psyker you're a wannabe zealot
this is bonafide wrong
ornate hamlet
see, I do the opposite - surge for locking down enemies and closing distances so...
surge sucks for hoard clear is the problem.
your melee weapon's "role" will be very different if you compare using surge and purge
echo turtle
Axe does it all, in addition to clearing hordes like a blender
slow karma
That's the point, Heretic
echo turtle
axe and surge, excellent
long wharf
yes, surge sucks for horde clear, because that's not what it's for
slow karma
The whole loadout is kind of the bigger picture and recontextualizes the use case of any given weapon
ornate hamlet
purg is superior hoard clear to axe.
thus, your melee wep should be for highest dps on single target
(preference, i prefer MK II)
if i used surge, i'd probably use MK V
ornate hamlet
well there ya go
MK VIII would also be a very viable option for you btw
it's quite good
echo turtle
I would run combat knife either way tbh, but purge doesn’t need the axe as much
axe is still great though
even with purge or voudstrike
lilac tapir
guys, is this a good gun for gun build? I saw someone saying earlier that Autoguns were beast after the patch
leaden thunder
surgical is misleading
echo turtle
its good
frosty mulch
Saber it better than knife for mobility imo
ornate hamlet
guys, is this a good gun for gun build? I saw someone saying earlier that Autogu...
sorry but psykers using guns are a joke imo
sly matrix
Axe does it all, in addition to clearing hordes like a blender
what's the horde cleaning combo for the combat axe?
echo turtle
i like the mk3 better
echo turtle
what's the horde cleaning combo for the combat axe?
Just needs brutal momentum
block push attack forever
lethal folio
Light spam is the horde clear
echo turtle
melt hordes and everyone rlse
lethal folio
Push attack doesn't have good horde damage
echo turtle
Light spam is the horde clear
the cleave is objectively bettet
lethal folio
It objectively ain't
ornate hamlet
it actually depends on the axe
echo turtle
Take it jnto the gribdet
frosty mulch
sorry but psykers using guns are a joke imo
If having fun on lower tiers it can be great to shoot around.
ornate hamlet
If having fun on lower tiers it can be great to shoot around.
in lower tiers, guns are faster kill time yes
but in higher tiers you should not be using a gun
echo turtle
If having fun on lower tiers it can be great to shoot around.
I win damnation pugs with guns consistently
echo turtle
but in higher tiers you should not be using a gun
false
lethal folio
Push attack can only hit 3 and does ~8 extra damage if you only hit 3
echo turtle
Push attack can only hit 3 and does ~8 extra damage if you only hit 3
falsr
lethal folio
any other combination and light wins
ornate hamlet
false
lol, i disagree with pretty much everything you say so lets just agree to disagree
frosty mulch
but in higher tiers you should not be using a gun
I imagine so. I haven't tried myself since the patches.
lethal folio
I can show you the code that says you're wrong.
echo turtle
lol, i disagree with pretty much everything you say so lets just agree to disagr...
I solo Q damnation and win so, What I do works
echo turtle
I can show you the code that says you're wrong.
can screenshot meatgrinder to show you your wrong
lethal folio
Ok do it.
echo turtle
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slow karma
Like.....?
lethal folio
Do it yourself, show me a picture of you damaging more than 3 poxwalkers.
echo turtle
The hippocrady
ornate hamlet
Stop parroting your shit as if it's gospel
yeah, he strikes me as someone who is just repeating what he's heard from others
not actually speaking from experience
long wharf
I hate to agree with Ford here, but Mk v combat axe push+attack is the best reason to use it
slow karma
I can't judge that, I do it too much myself.
lethal folio
I don't think you know what that word means.
long wharf
it's the perfect cleaving swing for horde kill
slow karma
But I don't make an effort to steer a narrative on the whole
echo turtle
you’re telling people how to properly play, O disagree and i’m out of line lol
leaden thunder
you can make a grey chainaxe work in damn if you want doesn't mean it's particularly good, play what you want tho, the game is not that hard
slow karma
At worst I advocate for people to enjoy their shit builds in peace lmao
long wharf
and given how fast psyker gets stamina regen back, the psyker can do it all day
ornate hamlet
I hate to agree with Ford here, but Mk v combat axe push+attack is the best reas...
right, like i said, it depends on which axe you're using and what ranged weapon you're pairing with it
it also comes down to personal preference
lethal folio
It simply deals less damage than lightspam.
long wharf
I use light attacks for the odd enemy or two
ornate hamlet
people should actually TEST things themselves and detemine themselves what they prefer
long wharf
the light attacks don't hit as many enemies
leaden thunder
how many do each damage
slow karma
Camera swing moment
lethal folio
It's combat axe, you are using brutal momentum.
ornate hamlet
don't take advice from people online as if it's the "best"
it's all circumstantially better or worse than other options
you should test things out for yourself, look at what other players are doing, what works for them, how to actually apply what they are recommending,
learn about the game, what sections on specific enemies are what "armor" types for modifier damage, etc
long wharf
enjoy your light attacks, they are fun and satisfying, but don't look down on the push attack
brutal momentum doesn't change the damage you deal
ornate hamlet
https://exputer.com/guides/warhammer-40k-darktide-unyielding-enemy/
go read this, it's accurate
lethal folio
ornate hamlet
that link explains the different armor types, what sections of enemies are different armor types, and how your modifiers will be applied
lethal folio
Left is push attack, right is light attack
push attack only deals more damage when you hit exactly 3 units
frosty mulch
don't take advice from people online as if it's the "best"
it's all circumstanti...
Yeah, that is why arguing someone's advice isn't good isn't productive. Take it or leave it, right?
ornate hamlet
you should know the things mentioned in that link i posted, if you really want to improve your performance
leaden thunder
this the mk5
ornate hamlet
Yeah, that is why arguing someone's advice isn't good isn't productive. Take it ...
i'm just saying people should test things for themselves, know why some options are better than other options, not just go "hey what's best?" and follow what someone online told you is "best"
leaden thunder
ah yes cleave caps
lethal folio
light attack hurts as much as you can hit
long osprey
Which is your favorite dueling sword?
ornate hamlet
like for example, most people will tell you to stack HEALTH
but in missions to collect grims, does HEALTH actually help more than toughness and toughness regen? no it sure doesn't lol
different builds are situationally better than others
long wharf
like for example, most people will tell you to stack HEALTH
but in missions to ...
actually yes
frosty mulch
Which is your favorite dueling sword?
I like the one that has the defense stat. I forget the name. But I like the extra dodge to get space for going back to my staff.
long wharf
because more health means more time before grims kill you
long wharf
I still run toughness regen on curios
ornate hamlet
actually yes
i always use 2 health and 1 toughness, and all three have toughness regen (personally)
i find it's a good general use way to go about it, i never switch
leaden thunder
i unironically think toughness regen is probably bis for every class
long wharf
I run 2 health 1 +3 stamina
ornate hamlet
i unironically think toughness regen is probably bis for every class
it is, hands down
leaden thunder
whether you run hp or toughness as your main the regen is good
turns into halo shields on ogryn
long osprey
I like the one that has the defense stat. I forget the name. But I like the extr...
So that’s mk V
ornate hamlet
toughness regen is suuuuper useful especially if you're good at maintaining coherency
leaden thunder
even if you are playing like zealot so are out of coherency alot it helps in fire fights
long osprey
I’m using antax axe, I’ll try the dueling sword
frosty mulch
like for example, most people will tell you to stack HEALTH
but in missions to ...
After the patches toughness regen is useful, before it wasn't. Toughness is not too great. Only the first hit absorbs as I understand it. Following hits chip health. So it is better to get toughness back to 100% fast and start blocking immediately after the first hit and find cover. Health is good for the sometimes oh crap moment. But it depends on the team and how reliable they are.
ornate hamlet
After the patches toughness regen is useful, before it wasn't. Toughness is not ...
toughness regen always caused your toughness to begin regenerating sooner.
the patch made it so that it now also regenerates at a faster rate as well
it was always useful, it's just even moreso now
leaden thunder
I though it was the other way around at the beginning?(not that it actually matters)
ornate hamlet
I though it was the other way around at the beginning?(not that it actually matt...
how i described it is accurate, i could pull up patch notes if you want
ornate hamlet
patch notes described it as "fixed issue where toughness regeneration speed curio only gave a bonus to the toughness regeneration delay of coherency"
in other words, it used to only cause toughness to regenerate sooner, it now causes it to regenerate faster
long wharf
yeah, people complained that it only affected how quickly toughness starts to regen, not how quickly toughness regens
ornate hamlet
between patch 1.0.22 and 1.0.24 it was super overpowered, but after 1.0.24 they "fixed an issue where the toughness regeneration speed from curio bonuses incorrectly gave an extremely high regen speed"
but they also
"buffed the toughness regeneration speed curio values for all tiers"
so it's still very strong
ornate hamlet
it was just funny while it was OP
it's still quite strong
the bottom line is, maintain coherency as much as you can
cause it's worth it
you will survive a lot better
void mural
Good to know. I used it a while back and thought it basically did nothing, which was probably was true at that point
ornate hamlet
^ when it was broken, posted by another Psyker
shit was comical
it's not that OP anymore but it's still 100% worth using on all three curios
and maintaining coherency is still very helpful to survivability - and has DPS benefits depending on your build and who you're partied with
void mural
Ha, wow
void mural
Haha
leaden thunder
instead of .2
void mural
I think I gotta work on my curios, but I've been waiting for crafting system update
echo turtle
push attack only deals more damage when you hit exactly 3 units
Looks like I was mistaken about 4thh target on the mk5. I recall testing it a while back, but I must be mistaken
So, Cleave attack Target 179,118,79
light attack 174,54, 26
So, I am pretty sure the cleave hit 4 targets once or twice and dealt no damage to the 4th. However the damage drop off was massive on the light atttack. I couldn't get 4 guys inn a lightt swing and I spent enoughh time ttrying as the cleave is still way bettter.
Assuming the light hit everything possible anbd dealt 26 damage to each you would need to hit and damage 5 more targets to match the damage from the cleave, I find this unlikely. cleave is easier to line up muliple weakspots
ornate hamlet
Looks like I was mistaken about 4thh target on the mk5. I recall testing it a wh...
this is specific to MK V i assume
when talking about axes as a whole, you should consider that other axes perform significantly differently to MK V
void mural
Does gear rating do anything by itself, like hero power did in V2? Or is it just a measurement of the stats on the item, like gearscore in mmos?
ornate hamlet
like, MK II is way faster.
like 15% faster swing speed, and doesn't have the cleave MK V does
light attack spam is optimal - and it's actually faster at dispatching smaller hoards than MK V is
MK V only outperforms MK II when there's more than 6 enemies at once imo
ornate hamlet
Does gear rating do anything by itself, like hero power did in V2? Or is it just...
inspect the item, it will give you specifics
there aren't hidden modifiers
you should really read that link i posted about armor types tho
some ppl would consider those hidden modifiers
void mural
Yeah, I know it tells you how far the bars can be, but does the rating itself mean anything besides that
ornate hamlet
no
void mural
Ok cool, no more V2 hero power
ornate hamlet
all that matters are the modifiers which you can see when you inspect
that, and the perks that apply more modifiers to different armor / enemy types,
and of course blessing stacks, damage modifiers from coherency buffs, and blessings that don't actually show stacks also - could be considered "hidden" modifiers
ornate hamlet
you could argue that each specific weapon archtype has hidden damage modifiers, but in reality the reason that seems to be the case is because of how damage is calculated in the game's algorithyms
like for example, purg staff is absolute dogshit damage against crushers
void mural
Yeah, I know there's a lot of other hidden and misleading stuff about weapons and tool tips, but I was just talking about rating itself. Thanks!
ornate hamlet
and one of the many reasons i recommend people TEST things for themselves, to understand what weapons are more or less effective against different enemies
void mural
Yeah, for sure
ornate hamlet
and where you want to hit them matters
like when using ranged weapons, targetting extremities like arms and legs is usually more beneficial than headshots actually
(assuming you have the right perks on the gun)
you can do more damage hitting arms/legs of certain enemies with guns than you can with weakspot hits believe it or not
it's covered in the link i posted, from some guy in dubai lol
was one of the best explanations of how armor types work in this game that i have seen yet
void mural
Yeah, it's much more granular than the vermintide hitboxes
echo turtle
this is specific to MK V i assume
thats the mk5 antax. which as you can see the cleave is real good, and more likely to get multiple headstrikes
ornate hamlet
different sections of enemies hitboxes have different armor types, most darktide players don't even know that
void mural
Yup, it's not well explained, as is most of the game
echo turtle
also tested the FS real quick, got it sucks
slow karma
Ugh, I'm very tired of not getting anything out of my failed runs
echo turtle
even with max slaughterer heavy strikes fail to kill chaff without a weakspot hit
ornate hamlet
even with max slaughterer heavy strikes fail to kill chaff without a weakspot hi...
are you using limbsplitter
echo turtle
and one of the many reasons i recommend people TEST things for themselves, to un...
Agreed always test, and restest. shit changes and As evidenced above memory can play tricks on us
lethal folio
Force sword is very awkward at dealing with hordes.
echo turtle
are you using limbsplitter
That weapon did, but this was singlw strikes so bonus was the same
frosty mulch
toughness regen always caused your toughness to begin regenerating sooner.
the p...
Not in my opinion. I maxed it and didn't think much of it before the patches. But to each their own.
echo turtle
1 strike, multuple targets. same bonus
ornate hamlet
That weapon did, but this was singlw strikes so bonus was the same
.... you'd be surprised at what limbsplitter counts toward
even tho it's not a combo
it's like, you actually have to stop attacking for a certain period of time for it to not still be in effect
sly matrix
https://streamable.com/ec1vwv
what curios do you use?
echo turtle
Interesting, I’m pretty sure it would affect both attacks equally but I can test one without later when I get home
ornate hamlet
what curios do you use?
2 health, 1 toughness
all three have toughness regen on them
they're nothing special
sly matrix
2 health, 1 toughness
all three have toughness regen on them
they're nothing spe...
u dont recommend +1 wound?
echo turtle
2 health, 1 toughness
all three have toughness regen on them
they're nothing spe...
This is sokid
void mural
Force sword is very awkward at dealing with hordes.
It is. Best I've found for using it is light, heavy, then light light to loop back to the heavy and repeat
ornate hamlet
u dont recommend +1 wound?
- wound isn't bad to have, but i don't need it
echo turtle
Wounds are usefull until you get experienced at the game
sly matrix
+ wound isn't *bad* to have, but i don't need it
I do need it xD
ornate hamlet
use it then, till you feel you don't need it
void mural
Yeah, I've almost never found myself dying from lack of wounds. Only time I usually die is team wipe or team not picking me up
ornate hamlet
right, it's usually a team wipe that does everyone in
void mural
Tbf, I think the class that could most use a +wound curio is vet