psyker-class

[long wharf]

lay down and accept the inevitability in your situation, sibling

the Emperor demands your sacrifice.

[safe crystal]

Personally, if the entire rest of my team is dead and those are the only enemies, i try to slide from cover to cover until im at range to suppress with purg LMB. Need to get into range to kill them either with melee or purg

If you have a FS with deflector, its a bit easier to get close

But you still want to be sliding mostly

[dry tide]

ascendant blaze is great for taking out groups of shooters if you can build up 6 stacks

[void mural]

Surge you can try to suppress with LMB while you close distance. Purge... good luck...

[safe crystal]

Your F has a range of 30m ( can someone confirm this, i remember reading its 30m), so if they light you up, theres your temporary stagger for them

[fierce sinew]

it is 30m, and if you're charged+AB it does more than stagger them

[idle bay]

They trolling us with a tweet about most broken (after pox hound) enemy - shotgunner. How low they've got....

[void mural]

Lolwut

[leaden thunder]

#🐦tweets-sermons

[void mural]

They do a lot of burst dmg and can be OP it you're not ready to handle them, but they're not in any way broken like hounds are

[leaden thunder]

eh

shotgunners ignore ranged grace

so enough of them can just instantly down you

hounds are jank, but i'd say shotgunners are far more dangerous

[void mural]

Huh? They're not calling it broken?

[idle bay]

As i said - after pox hounds 🙂

[void mural]

Of course. I was just talking about most broken. Shotgunners do what you expect. Hounds do whatever the hell they want to at that current moment. Completely unpredictable and buggy

[leaden thunder]

broken often means op

[safe crystal]

Shotgunners are awful, they made me run around the comms plex finale for 15 minutes because everyone else died immediately on respawn and i had to kite the mobs away from the respawn while killing one or two specials each round

[leaden thunder]

so I was meaning broken as in op

[void mural]

Sure... but when he mentions hounds, I think buggy, haha

[leaden thunder]

fair enough

[void mural]

Yeah, shotgunners are definitely dangerous

I've probably died most to shotgunners or ranged shooters when it's not a combination of enemies

Shotgunners just have so much poise

[leaden thunder]

fucken melk has a Claw sword with a t4 skullcrusher on it

[gaunt root]

Huh, I realized that Psykers were able to use lawbringer shotguns in the beta, and the heavy sword in their trailer, but have neither on release.

[slow karma]

I like how the disparaging tone in the mention of it was completely washed away by sincere discussion of the topic. I can appreciate that.

[leaden thunder]

psyker with a shotgun sounds funny

if not useful

[fallen sleet]

if you're not losing ground, you can literally just spam headpops. No need to be in line of site, no risk of getting shot, and most gunners (even a patrol sized group) won't push into your space until they're mostly dead, at which point they've grouped up and are now in melee range.

Until then, abuse LoS. Peak a corner, lock a BB, go back around the corner to finish BB cast, repeat.

This gets even easier if you take lower BB cost/cast on ult, plus 15% CDR on elite kill. Four BBs on Gunners is 60% of your ulti back, letting you quick cast BB up to 16 enemies back to back at shortened cast time.

It will take time, so you risk more spawns, but you're already in dire straits and a wave of specials should be the least of your concerns when a laz patrol is between you and your team; so you might as well take your time to clear it safetly.

[void mural]

I think he meant just generic grunts with guns, not the machine gun elites?

But still fair if not quite as easy

[idle bay]

Speaking of Claw Sword - it's most common item in Store that sold with 360 + stats. And most common because 3 classes have it, also most common because it's a garbage and garbage (stats, perks and blessing) gets highest priority in the store 🙂

[leaden thunder]

honestly the normal shooters are often more dangerous then gunners

[void mural]

For real

[leaden thunder]

maybe not one for one

but since there is often way more shooters

[void mural]

And they hit with pinpoint accuracy, which is annoying

[fallen sleet]

Yeah, of course. You'll have a mix of actual gunners + enemies with guns, the gunners can just be prioritized for CDR to allow for more chain casting

[grizzled jasper]

Greenbois

[leaden thunder]

how we feel about this

reroll any perks?

[fallen sleet]

reroll stam into maniacs

stam is mostly useless when we have kinetic deflection and .5 stam regen delay

[long wharf]

incorrect

[fallen sleet]

manic with that much damage + first target will let you nearly 1shs mutants with a spec

[long wharf]

stamina is important for KD

[void mural]

Yeah, if taking KD, reroll Stam. If not, reroll block efficiency?

[long wharf]

the question is - is +1 stamina better than other perk options?

answer is "not if you're using a stamina curio"

[fallen sleet]

howso? i don't recall KD formula actually involving your stamina number

[long wharf]

you are wrong

[leaden thunder]

so keep them both then? or reroll block eff

[fallen sleet]

i am asking you a question lmao

[long wharf]

you're better off using a +3 stamina curio

[fallen sleet]

IIRC KD formula was just based off of the stamina cost of the hit you blocked

i could be misremembering?

[leaden thunder]

it has a % based on your stamina iirc

[long wharf]

KD's peril block calculation takes the stamina hit you would take for the block, divides it by your max stamina, and multiplies that by the magic conversion value

[leaden thunder]

pfheonix probably knows that actual formula

[fallen sleet]

ahh right

[long wharf]

so if you have no extra stamina, meaning with fsword you have 4 stamina bars, +1 stamina is effectively +25% block efficiency

[leaden thunder]

I am not super condifent in my psyker so I don't use any stam curios, would you recommend I change out my wound curio for one

[long wharf]

I did

even before stamina curios were fixed

[fallen sleet]

then yeah, in that case reroll the block eff for maniac

[long wharf]

I'd keep the block efficiency

[leaden thunder]

god my curios are ass on my psyker anyway

[long wharf]

and slot a +3 stamina curio

but then again, that fsword doesn't have deflector

[fallen sleet]

eh, deflector is convenient at best

[long wharf]

so I wouldn't do anything to it until crafting system is in

without deflector, there's little reason to use the fsword

you can perform better with a combat axe

[leaden thunder]

so just keep it as is for now,

[fallen sleet]

fun is a pretty solid reason hahah

[leaden thunder]

I don't have a good combat axe

I just good uber lucky today

and got that as a green

[tawny swallow]

what are good surge staff blessings

[fallen sleet]

charge cant be interrupted, faster casting

[tawny swallow]

oops I meant to say perks but I do have the uninterruptible charge

[long wharf]

+flak

[echo turtle]

warp nexus, warp flurry

[long wharf]

since surge does decent damage to flak, that bonus damage will be very noticeable

[echo turtle]

• crit

[tawny swallow]

crit damage or chance?

[echo turtle]

chance

surge flakk is my number 2 choice

[leaden thunder]

crit damage is almost never worth it

[echo turtle]

crits on surge have insane stagger

[long wharf]

flak would by my #1 choice

[leaden thunder]

by almost never I mean never

[long wharf]

surge stunning isn't affected by crits

[echo turtle]

crit in surge actually probably ok as crits have fuck all for damage bonus

but your crit rate is near 40% with the right perks and blessings

[long wharf]

I wouldn't roll crit chance, either

[echo turtle]

crit damage*

Surge crit chance matters as it doubles stagger

so its the most important

[long wharf]

+25% flak damage is going to be far more damage than +5% crit chance

[echo turtle]

5% crit means a mutant or crusher is staggered

[long wharf]

how do you know surge crit doubles stun length?

[echo turtle]

which is important than the flakk damage

[leaden thunder]

I need to upgrade my two axes

[echo turtle]

doubles stagger value

go look at the table

[leaden thunder]

but I have a feeling limpshitter will appear

[long wharf]

what, in-game?

[echo turtle]

thats Bis for psyker

yeah

inspect weapon

look at tables

each block attack counts as a new chain

so limbsplitter is just +20% damage on your axes best attavk

[leaden thunder]

would still rather not be gimped when I am not using that attack

[long wharf]

you want limbsplitter on the mk v caxe

[echo turtle]

why would you not use it?

you prefer using a shittwr attack with less cleave that leaves you open?

[coarse nacelle]

You can also heavy, block cancel into another heavy for single target

[echo turtle]

Heavy isnworse in every situation outside of a crusher

in which case

brain burst

[leaden thunder]

it's also not a mk5

and the other axe is a tac axe

[echo turtle]

Well thats your first problem

oh yeah

limb would ruin it

If you get limb, just switch to dagger

its like a conbat axe, but with BDE

sorry, tactical axe

Tactical axes, heavy is the best swing like, always right?

[leaden thunder]

depends on the taxe

I think 2 is heavy spam, 4 is light spam and idk the other

[echo turtle]

In the tables for secondary attack you’ll see crits have double the stagger.
The primary projectile gets a massive damage boost from crits too.
Crit is the most important stat for surge and purge staves.

[leaden thunder]

got headtaker and shred on my mk2

not bad

[echo turtle]

sick

[leaden thunder]

probably swap the shred for bm once crafting drops

[echo turtle]

thts pretty optimal

oh yeah

doesnit need BM?

[leaden thunder]

if it was on zealot i'd keep them both

[echo turtle]

considering the swing

[fallen sleet]

yeah

mk2 taxe is all diagonal swings with no cleave

[echo turtle]

a tactical axe? I dunno on my zealot I never found the short reach really needed it

[fallen sleet]

gunna feel not great without brutal momentum

[echo turtle]

I don’t think it gets hubg up a lot does yours?

[tiny belfry]

I run the devil's claw

[echo turtle]

remember, BM doesn’t change damage just targets hit. Everyrhing after the second hit still takes like no damage

[leaden thunder]

BM doesn't do as much as people make it out to be, but for this one and what I need a melee for on psyker I feel like BM is better then shred

[echo turtle]

I dunno, that sucker would be up at like a 50% crit with shred

thats boss

[leaden thunder]

we'll see

[echo turtle]

If the ace animation isn’t hanging up and bouncing off stuff a lot, BM wont help

I only did it with a critlot though

You would want Bm and headtaker though eh?

I haven’t gotten particularly great tac axes on my psyker so far, so if you could reccomend BiS blessings for the class

[long wharf]

my mk v caxe has brutal momentum and limbsplitter

it decimates hordes

[tiny belfry]

You all running axes on your Psyker?

[long wharf]

fuck yes

[tiny belfry]

What's the Damnation survivability like?

[inland sand]

My best melee weapon

across 800 hours play time

and 4 characters

is a 380 rated purple Antax combat axe on my psyker

with Brutal momentum as the blessing

absolutely disgusting

it's legit better than a powersword

[tiny belfry]

What's your secondary? I'm addicted to the purgatus staff

[inland sand]

i was a purgatus staff man through and through but post these last 2 patches I'm starting to feel like it's number 3 or 4 on the staff list

[tiny belfry]

I'll have to give axes a shot. I'm addicted to the devil's claw on my zealot, but it doesn't hit the same on my Psyker

[inland sand]

only good with brutal momentum but if u get one with that they are sickeningly good

been playing a lot with Trauma post patch just like everyone else I guess

[idle bay]

There is onlky Axes. Unless Fatshar allows Psykers to use ogryn's Latrine shovel - that thing is more terrifying than a Power-Sword on steroids

[tiny belfry]

I'm only 120hrs in so far

[inland sand]

really enjoying that atm

they feel a lot closer together than they ever have though which is really nice

[tiny belfry]

What was the trama change? I last used it prepatch

[silk flax]

they made peril cost on it the same as the other staffs

[tiny belfry]

Oh yeah I remember hearing that now

[maiden wolf]

I am

[echo turtle]

Dagger mostly these days

[tiny belfry]

@inland sand you ever fail Damnation missions?

[inland sand]

of course, everyone does

but I have a good success rate

[tiny belfry]

Fair enough

[sly matrix]

Sometimes I feel like I'd be more useful if I was just a veteran for killing enemies further away or a zealot for killing enemies that are close by

[echo turtle]

^ you can do both

[inland sand]

the psyker is the watcher in the dark

i love them for that

[loud girder]

any meta builds i can look at?

[leaden thunder]

bruh

the shovel isn't that good

[gilded viper]

think i should reroll block eff into unarmor or crit chance?

[leaden thunder]

prolly unarmored

you get enough crit chance from shred

[echo turtle]

crit

[inland sand]

why reroll at all

what breakpoint u trying to hit

[gilded viper]

no break point

just wonder if i should try getting more crit chance

[echo turtle]

crits are huge on that wep

[gilded viper]

think it can 1 shot most normal enemys on heavy

maybe not T5 dreg i think but need to test it more

[echo turtle]

1600 vs 600 on a mutie , crit vs non crit i think

[gilded viper]

sheesh

this is heavy attack

[echo turtle]

light attacks also get a 2.3x powrr boost from crits

• 25% vs maniac actually is what I would do

[gilded viper]

+25%

without it

like how crit damage can make it 4 shot mutant if i go for it

[echo turtle]

where are these tables you’re generating coming from

[gilded viper]

guess unarmor would help me 1 shot basically all shooter too as well

https://dt.wartide.net/calc/

also set it to this at the top right

not sure how to read raw/auto unless it just showing dps?

[echo turtle]

thats helpful if it takes dregs from a 2 shot to a one 1

but, realistically you probably dont melee them all that much eh?
Muties are what I find I want the extra power against

and ragers

That sword is incredible tho

[inland sand]

being able to melee 1 shot muties is goated

vs Ragers not that important as usually you're exploding/frying/zapping them

[gilded viper]

oh yeah it work on rager too

[echo turtle]

Uncanncy strike adds so much dps

I fight that shit in melee all the time

[inland sand]

as do i but it's never an enemy I feel I have to melee to death

depends on the situation obvs

[echo turtle]

I dive hordes and push right to them

It’s about sending a message johnny

[inland sand]

lol

my message is explosion

[gilded viper]

im a filty gun psyker so i kinda melee alot

[echo turtle]

gun psykers are great

I run a mk3 autogun in damnation all the time

[inland sand]

i legit want to try a revolver psyker post patch

[echo turtle]

I’m sure its good

[gilded viper]

especially when the emp give u this

[echo turtle]

BB then pew pew instead of quelling

[inland sand]

i reckon you cud hit some spicy BPs

need the revolver first tho

[echo turtle]

Infernus is pretty meh, except vs bosses

[gilded viper]

revolver psyker sound so

infernus nice vs reaper and boss yeah

[deft trench]

found a new adittion to the outdoors map end event

[gilded viper]

it help me from dog cause the burn would kill it when it jump me

think the highest dps i saw the fire was 187 per tick

[echo turtle]

I was trying my accatrans and they were well below my mk3 vraks headhunter in DPS vs almost everythinf

[leaden thunder]

the recon las guns are ass

[echo turtle]

Is there some specific blessings that make the revolver slap? I took a decent one into the grinder and was so underwhelmed

[leaden thunder]

revolver is also not great but very fun

since it has a .2 second swap time

[echo turtle]

so I’ll pitch the vraks headhunters real quick

Amazing damage vs flak, unarmored and infested. solid vs unyeilind

[leaden thunder]

I use them all the time on my vet

[echo turtle]

shit vs carapace and subpar va maniac.
Thankfully, yer a wizard arry! So you have tools for those

Yeah, I want revolvers to get a buff cuz they are so god damn cool

[gilded viper]

wish it does 1 little more damage to not feel like i have to headshot a elite 3 time to kill it

when the clip is already 5

[leaden thunder]

it needs to deal like bolter damage

[gilded viper]

tho i do love that it stun basically everything

what crazy is shotgun and revolver have shit damage compare to the bolter

expecially shotgun since most videogame would make u believe it top tier DPS close range

[devout sentinel]

Well welcome to 40k and not World War 2 . IRL shotguns with high load precision exist : P

[leaden thunder]

shotgun ads is pretty fucken accurate

[celest hedge]

i'm sad the shotgun doesn't feel as close range as I'd want

[tiny belfry]

Why use any of those on Psyker though?

[leaden thunder]

you can only use one of them on the psyker

[tiny belfry]

Even if you could though, it's a Psyker

[leaden thunder]

space wizard with a gun

[celest hedge]

in the original october beta, I loved using the shotgun alot since I never got high enough level to get a staff, and the shotgun was good for groups of shooters since I was able to get a reliable 1 shot kill on them faster than with BB since BB was very different then

[gilded viper]

why not

real anwser: boredom

[tiny belfry]

Fair

[gilded viper]

staff get stale for me pretty quicky and not as fun as vt2 sienna

honesty it crazy that sienna staff exist in the tide game and we get 3/4 same left click in darktide for staffs

[void mural]

Yeah, why no fast pew pew left click, or sniper staff?

[west stream]

sniper staff would be fun

like the ones in Kid Icarus

short charge after which you get a precise penetrating hit maybe, can't fire without charge

or if you do it does more of a short range blast

wait, that's just shotgun staff

[void mural]

Instead of giving psyker a shotgun, why not shotgun staff?!

[leaden thunder]

becuase psyker with just a normal shotgun is funnier

[west stream]

I would like to see digital weapons

added to the game

mostly because in my mind you fire them by doing finger guns

[gleaming comet]

Digital... weapons?

[leaden thunder]

digital as in finger digits

it's wierd

[gleaming comet]

Ah

Weird

[echo turtle]

Guns are very good on a psyker. As a psyker you can punch hordes to death and drop spelites better than anyone. Your biggest issue is scab and dreg gunners. Lightning is Ok at dealing with them, as is Brain burst.

But do you know what is kryptonite to scab and dreg gunners? Bullets

[near wyvern]

The thing is the moment you take a gun your horde clear will drop. This is not a problem if you are in a pre made but when running pugs, you can't afford to trust the team that they can clear hordes. And the other thing is that if you bring anything else than a infantry lasgun to damnation you are just asking for trouble.

[wet jacinth]

melees horde

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/448690561541603349/831668949342355476/WhenYoureAccusedOfEatingBrushes.gif

[tiny belfry]

That's how I run my zealot in damnation

He's a god

[neat sand]

a random question has Any one had a staff as an emperor's gift ? i have yet to see one

[echo turtle]

autogun is awesome and I run it in damnation pugs all the time. I kill more shooters than I would with my surge staff and drop more spelites than anyone else

[wet jacinth]

Yes

Which autogun tho.

[echo turtle]

mk3 vraks headhunter is my current fave

[tiny belfry]

I got one yesterday

[wet jacinth]

Headhunters

Hmm

[echo turtle]

I have a 380 infantry but I don't value the mutie killing as much

[wet jacinth]

MK1 IAG is solid

[wet jacinth]

Which variant of the Infantry?

[echo turtle]

I will check rn!

infantry autogun btw

[wet jacinth]

Ye

[echo turtle]

Agripina

[wet jacinth]

Yeah that's the slow firing one but higher damage per shot

[echo turtle]

This is my infantry autogun. It's good but this I found better

This slaps

Probably gonna roll for flakk damage and see if I can hit some bettter breakpoints on scabs

not exactly sure just yet

[wet jacinth]

The agripna mk1 IAG can 1 shot headshot trash ranged enemies

[echo turtle]

yeah, so does this

but, if you miss the headshhot drops them

[leaden thunder]

really only the agripina Iag is that good from my experience but it is very solid

of the Iags at least

[wet jacinth]

Ironically on the lasgun side. I like the Infantry lasgun mgiv

[echo turtle]

It serves me well

Though I have not been able to try all the various kinds of guns I would like

[leaden thunder]

rn really only the one you use is worth using of the infatries at least

[echo turtle]

It feels the best, though theres a 2 shot burst one that seems solid aswell

For Las, mk12?

[inland sand]

doing a vid on the HH autos atm

the TL;DR is the III is good, and the VII and IX aren't

[leaden thunder]

eh

the semi is good

the 3 burst is good

the two burst isn't

[inland sand]

sadly i cannot agree with that

the semi is so weak

this is the one I've been testing with:

and even with sniper it misses some crucial breakpoitns

ideally it would need +flak as well to be decent

and even then it would still suck vs maniacs

[leaden thunder]

it double taps so quickly that I have 0 issues with it's breakpoints

[echo turtle]

The bullets are almost the same i think are they not?

between the vraks 3 and 7

[inland sand]

this is my III

[echo turtle]

actually, the 7 is significantly better vs flakk

[inland sand]

and this thing is nutty good

[echo turtle]

show the damage tables pls

thts a really good blessing combo

cranking uo that crit chance to proc DA

[inland sand]

yeah got mad lucky with that one

so glad it became good after the buff

[echo turtle]

so I have a mk7 and at a damage roll of 30 does 160 va flak

a teally well rolled mk7 may just edge the the mk3 against scabs

ah nvm. it wont go much higher from where it is

Johny, you’re testing the autoguns rn yeah?

[inland sand]

for about 4 days or so now

mainly on Vet, all things said

so maybe on Psyker the VII gets a lot better cause of WC

but the IX just feels hamstrung by its weird recoil and fire rate

[echo turtle]

Ok so, with 6 WC and + vs flak i hit some interesting breakpoints

a 3 shot burst is able to drop shotgunners and gunners

2 bursts drops a rager

with a perfectly rolled gun you may not need the 5/6 warp charges

Oh, Sorry it 3 shot bursts the shotgunners

not the normal gunners

[ornate hamlet]

excuse me sir, but psykers using guns = trash

[echo turtle]

False

[silk flax]

You have to play long enough to think that gun pyskers are good. Because that's all they get in the armory and they HAVE to play it because they got a 380 autogun.

[opaque temple]

how much training do i need until i can turn a heretic's organs into mayonnaise

which psyker discipline is that

[echo turtle]

Guns don’t compete for peril resources allowing maximum uptime for brain burst and 0 tome wasted quelling.

I was just playing hi-intensity damnation and dropped 1 time, compared to our vet who dropped about 5 times

I was using guns and was doing great, I am able hip fire down ragers and maulers in a couple seconds as compared to stun locking them with the surge staff until someone else kills them

[long wharf]

every reason you cite for guns being good on psyker is trumped by the fact that you'd do even better as a veteran

guns aren't good "with psyker", they're simply good

and everything you do with a gun on a psyker, the veteran does better

[twilit flicker]

Does the veteran need a gun to be good? Why compare if the results are the same?

[restive slate]

It's not Psyker Sharpshooter for a reason hahaha

It would be more fun and interesting if the Psyker had more different weapon specials such as the Laspistol Force Push instead of a shove

[twilit flicker]

Like being able to kickflip an autogun before a bash

[long wharf]

gun psyker would be fine if we had a subclass specifically for it

[safe crystal]

The results wouldnt be the same. Vet would specialize into killing a specific group of enemies very well, while gun-psyker would be able to deal with most enemies with BB and XII, for example. Vet would be much safer, with higher toughness pool, a near-ranged immunity on ult that never ends provided they have enough targets, and arguably the best melee weapon in the game as well. The problem with vets is most of them are just terrible at the game in general, or do not understand the fundamentals of melee combat and hoping their shooting will be enough on higher difficulties

[long wharf]

I want to see a pistol psyker subclass

a good vet makes a psyker with a gun useless on the team

[forest coral]

vet is most straightforward class to play or at least seems most familiar to new players so not surprisingly

rn there are no good traits on psyker that really benefit gunplay

[long wharf]

and no feats that synergize with using a gun

[restive slate]

Supposedly cerebral lacerations

[forest coral]

also vet is arguably one of the worst classes at clutching bad situations

[twilit flicker]

Soo psykers feel too different?

[restive slate]

But that works with not-guns too haha

[long wharf]

you can use a gun as a psyker for funsies, but I speak up when someone says it's genuinely "good" or "viable"

[restive slate]

I use gun to meme or as a challenge

[safe crystal]

You would kill whatever you BB faster by just shooting at it

[long wharf]

BB is in a better place than it used to be (with the exception of closed beta), but it still takes too long

[restive slate]

Thus the word, supposedly

[cyan notch]

a lot of stuff is viable

[long wharf]

to be used for anything except the odd special/elite that the rest of the team can't see or hit

[twilit flicker]

True, bb takes too long to compete with bolters on full auto.

[long wharf]

or MG12s

or flamers

or even pistols

[forest coral]

compare the pair, Psyker you need to manage peril, have lower stam cap, lowest toughness so least room for error and need to space better to utilize your feat properly. the class also feels like it does little damage compared to other classes earlier on

[cyan notch]

nah it doesnt take too long

[long wharf]

BB takes too long, period.

[cyan notch]

bb doesnt take too long, period

.

[long wharf]

if you want BB to be a primary tool, yes it takes too long

[restive slate]

When the BB charge kept resetting because every target got shot to death by teammates first...

[long wharf]

if you're happy with using BB only periodically, then fine

[cyan notch]

i dont think maining bb is realistic or intended

[forest coral]

BB should only be used to snipe elites and carapace anyway, or assisting team in popping shooters

[long wharf]

clearly not intended, given the massive nerf psykers got coming out of closed beta

[restive slate]

BB is situational and better now that we can keep warp charges better, still would use level 30 no 3 for fast BB

[forest coral]

Kinetic barrage is literally your carry skill as a psyker imo

[restive slate]

Yea that's the name, thanks

[forest coral]

ability to pop 6 elites under 12 seconds is nothing to scoff at

[long wharf]

.... you aren't carrying on heresy+ by relying on BB

[twilit flicker]

And yet its not fast enough or special, too special?

[restive slate]

Ascendant Blaze was meta due to maintaining warp charges

I don't ever remember using the first level 30 feat...

[gleaming comet]

also for being an instant "horde-b-gone" button

[forest coral]

you arent, but you sure make things hell of a lot nicer in extreme situations

[long wharf]

sure.. but again, you aren't doing that with BB either

[forest coral]

noone really deals with carapace as well as a psyker will

[long wharf]

your staff does that

[forest coral]

Well of course

[restive slate]

BB one of the ways to stun Bulwarks so that's a win in my book

[forest coral]

you use both in conjunction

[long wharf]

again, I'm not saying BB isn't useful

but it's a specialized tool

not something to build around

[restive slate]

Surge CC is amazing but I prefer damage

[gleaming comet]

might be slightly misremembering, but I'm pretty sure Thunder Hammer on Zealot has roughly the same breakpoints as BB does for us, esp if you can get Thrust on the aforementioned hammer

[forest coral]

Warp stack buff has made BB so much stronger too

[long wharf]

I prefer surge staff because it makes every run smoother

[forest coral]

that literally requires you to run hammer

[long wharf]

noticeably stronger, yes, but hasn't changed the big breakpoints

[gleaming comet]

I fail to see the downside

[restive slate]

To me, BB is a necessary tool not the main strength

[forest coral]

The point is psyker can do it with any build

[long wharf]

I'd love to see Wrack and Ruin apply soulblaze to all enemies around any enemy you BB

[leaden thunder]

it should

100%

[long wharf]

frankly, soulblaze ought to be an option on every psyker weapon

[gleaming comet]

Zealot can do it with any build too if they take the sexiest melee weapon in the Imperium's arsenal

[long wharf]

it should be a core mechanic for feats

[gleaming comet]

I kid of course

[twilit flicker]

More like required to, its the same situation without the veriety

[restive slate]

Buff the staff special attacks pls lol

[twilit flicker]

You arent stabbing a bulwark with that piddly knife

Gotta bb

[forest coral]

2 brainbursts popping bulwarks with 6 warp stacks after buff is

[leaden thunder]

bet

[long wharf]

staff specials need to be unique warp attacks instead of the doinky pokes

[forest coral]

[leaden thunder]

I will show that bulwark the London experience

[long wharf]

hah, "London experience", love it

[twilit flicker]

Breakfast and a tour of westminster?

[forest coral]

Knife psyker with flamer staff is actually pretty good

discount knife zealot tho

[restive slate]

Or at least when charged up like a heavy attack, it gains an element based on the staff

[long wharf]

ehhh

[gleaming comet]

forcing it to watch as you put beans on toast

[safe crystal]

3 stacks is enough, but its a damn good breakpoint to have now

[twilit flicker]

Slowly lmao

[long wharf]

I'd rather not have a useless melee attack on the staves

give me more warp attacks

things I can generate warp charges with

[forest coral]

If staff specials could be like vermintide staff shotgun blasts

that would be amazing

or even just as a knockback blast without damage

[leaden thunder]

fire area around you for purge

[long wharf]

like a 40% peril cost super blast or something for each staff

[leaden thunder]

lightning bolt for surge

[forest coral]

that would make purg even more goated lol

[restive slate]

Voidstrike will allow it to cleave, Surge will zap on melee, Trauma creates a shockwave, Purgatus burns on melee

[long wharf]

a full damage, no range limit lightning bolt shot for surge would be great

[forest coral]

but ye

so much creatively could be had with staff

but we got, haha grandpa stick go bonk

[leaden thunder]

tbh

[restive slate]

There should be a blessing for Trauma where when fully charged, it creates a small aoe around the caster as well haha

[leaden thunder]

having them also be actual melees with special effects on them

[shrewd grove]

the goggle hood is so goofy 😭

[leaden thunder]

would be cool

[forest coral]

whats most unforgivable is the hoods make you bald

[leaden thunder]

like equiped in both slots

[half iron]

wear the psykana collars

[forest coral]

[half iron]

become an innocent crewmate

[restive slate]

Dual-wield staffs when?

[half iron]

akimbo purgatus would make me flushed irl in real life

[leaden thunder]

double flame

but a staff actual melee would be cool

and not just the shitty pokes

[long wharf]

okay fine, give psyker melee staves then

no ranged attacks, just warp powered melee swings

[restive slate]

Imagine if Psyker goes full on kungfu

Psyker already got that dapper duelling pose

[long wharf]

imagine a psyker applying soulblaze with every hit of their staff

and hitting an enemy already afflicted with soulblaze causes 2 nearby enemies to gain soulblaze

[leaden thunder]

would actually be super cool

[long wharf]

or melee kills causing a soulblaze explosions

[half iron]

anything with the blue fire makes me smile

[leaden thunder]

chain lighting coming from an enemy hit

[long wharf]

special attacks charging your weapon with soulblaze, lightning, etc

exactly

I'm all about having more warp attack options

[half iron]

“more warp attack options” mfs when they accidentally activate perils of the warp by shooting a gun

[leaden thunder]

please

[slow karma]

Nah, brah, make it a warp charged blast

Make the next shot after you hit the witch-gun button act like an infused helbore shot

Charge it up, blast something, it does X thing

Varies depending on the gun

Like, say, a big slow moving ball lightning that chews up hordes as it slowly flies through a crowd

Make the stub shot an explosive rivet that blows up after a short delay and applies soulblaze to the target and everything in a radius around it

The possibilities are endless

[restive slate]

That might be a bit much tho ngl haha

[slow karma]

Well it's a cooldown/peril dump angle for guns to be psyker friendly

You'd not be spamming these things

you physically couldn't without blowing yourself up

[restive slate]

Needs to be a really high charge cause non warp weapons cool down peril at a higher rate

[slow karma]

It'd be half your bar, bare minimum in my head, but the numbers aren't really the point here

[echo turtle]

I disagree

[long wharf]

that's a you problem.

[echo turtle]

your logic is extremely poor. Play a vet if you wanna use a gun is the same as saying play a zealot if you wanna use a flamer

I mean, I play damnation regularly with guns and outperform most of my teammates so I don’t think I have a probkem

[long wharf]

yeah, this channel has had that discussion a hundred times now

congrats on being the best of your group

that's not a reflection of your gun psyker build as much as it is your individual skill and whether or not you're getting carried

if you're outperforming veterans on your team in damnation, I feel very sorry for you, having to put up with such garbage players

[echo turtle]

vets drop in melee man, almost as much as psykers who don’t use kinetic deflection

its crazy

[long wharf]

they shouldn't be

not with a power sword

[leaden thunder]

or even just BM axe

[long wharf]

other than the random bullshit the game spawns on top of the team, there's no excuse for a veteran to go down

unless, of course, you're playing a psyker with a gun and not properly supporting your teammates

a capable psyker with CC and situational awareness is capable of helping the team overcome game-spawned bullshit and player mistakes

that is what you are depriving your damnation teams of when you run in with a gun

if you're doing it for funsies, then whatever

in an organized team, you're actively hurting the team in heresy+

[echo turtle]

powersword can only take you so far

[long wharf]

true, but there's no better melee weapon in the game for horde clear

and that's all the veteran needs it for

[echo turtle]

If your group requires a psyker to CC instead of killing your group needs to step it up

[long wharf]

"requires" he says

you aren't getting it

[echo turtle]

I don’t think you even play hi difficulties the way you’re spouting off lol

[long wharf]

if you, the psyker, is carrying the team in damnation, your group has already stepped back

[echo turtle]

If the psyker carries with a gun, it goes to show how a gun build is not “trash”

[long wharf]

no, it shows that you're a good player, and that your team is letting you down

skill is a much bigger factor for success in Darktide than gear

up to a point

I won't run damnation pugs

heresy pugs are really hit or miss

[echo turtle]

I wont run heresy pugs

they’re too easy

[cyan notch]

pugs are fine tbh

ive almost exclusively solo queued quickplay

mostly damnation too

[echo turtle]

Naw theyre awful, this guy needs an elite team so he can carry them to victory

he can’t waste his time carrying pugs

[cyan notch]

maybe earlier on when people were still newer it was rough

[echo turtle]

especially if garbage gun psykers queue up, pretending to be a veteran and zeolot by killing everything and diving into melee

[long wharf]

there are still trickling in of new players

[cyan notch]

they dont jump to damnation

and even if they do they would quickly realise they arent prepared in one game

[restive slate]

And leave after first down

[twilit flicker]

I can barely keep up in damnation, I try on weekends in pubs and fail most of the time. I dont think its just me though.

[long wharf]

stop joining pugs and find a premade here

[twilit flicker]

No

[long wharf]

communication is key

then enjoy failing, I guess

[twilit flicker]

Your so condecending.

[cyan notch]

depends on the mission too try not to dive into refinery or excise vault or chasm station assassination when trying out damnation

[long wharf]

you're so close-minded

[cyan notch]

those missions are notoriously harder

[twilit flicker]

Ill try one day, dont worry about me buttercup.

[long wharf]

imagine complaining and when given a solution saying "no"

[twilit flicker]

Complaining??? This guy.

[long wharf]

my bad, I didn't realize you were proud and bragging

[echo turtle]

IKR, Guy can't hack it in Damnation pugs and is telling players who solo que Damnation+ they don't know how to play

[twilit flicker]

Im just trying to have a good time, mr perfection here cant stand it.

[echo turtle]

There's a lot of players that aren't ready to progress from heresy yet that Q, but most are decent and if everyone was on comms you would crush pretty easily

[twilit flicker]

Its a skill issue it seems, it takes time to get better.

[long wharf]

I love how you react to a suggestion to improve your odds of completion with scorn and derision

and the gall to call me "buttercup"

[twilit flicker]

Youre the one overeacting, sir.

[echo turtle]

Tell us how it's done when you walk the walk holmie

[long wharf]

whatever you gotta tell yourself to get through the day, pal

[twilit flicker]

I said "no" and it was enough to drive you over the edge.

[long wharf]

it's funny that you imagined that

[echo turtle]

must be a collective delusion

cuz, he's not the only one imagining you're a manchild tonight

[leaden thunder]

this is very constructive

[twilit flicker]

Right?

[long wharf]

at least you recognize that you're imagining it

first step is recognizing you have a problem

[twilit flicker]

"Enjoy failing"

Who is the child?

[long wharf]

couldn't bother copying the entire message, huh?

[echo turtle]

fire bird boi

[twilit flicker]

Here we go again, condecending.

[long wharf]

you keep using that word. I don't think it means what you think it means.

[twilit flicker]

Why dont you tell me?

I know you love to be right.

[long wharf]

you're so passive-aggressive

[twilit flicker]

It was a genuine question, and my passive agressiveness is all a matter of perspective.

Cant think outside your own viewpoint?

[cold mesa]

get a room you two

[forest coral]

No fight

[twilit flicker]

Yes maam.

[forest coral]

Is game, not worth it

[long wharf]

he's not my type, sorry

[cyan notch]

[iron marten]

Happy Valentine's, people

[regal musk]

I'd be happy in the short term just seeing the gun specials changed to give a 10~ second buff of ammo efficiency at the cost of gaining peril.
At least Purgatus offers an actual gameplay difference than the Flamer despite the similarities. (no animation lock between switching weapons for example)

[long wharf]

gun psyker subclass could use warp to fire the gun instead of consuming ammo

peril per shot

[regal musk]

Was thinking that too tbh.

[leaden thunder]

would be a good special at least

idk if i'd want it at all times

[regal musk]

Really wish the FS special was a toggle instead of single hit.

Wish we had different marks of FS for different special effects too ...

[forest coral]

Something I was thinking of was like, 15% chance to apply soulblaze on hit, extra projectile critical damage or chance on burning targets

[leaden thunder]

cross your fingers for the future

[restive slate]

All my fingers are in a knot

[twilit flicker]

How about magic bullets? Like they bounce and get an extra hits, cost some peril to activate, lasts 5 to 10 seconds?

[iron marten]

Yeah, I'd love a reason to legit use a gun instead of a staff but right now doesn't seem like it's worth it. Either take them away and add more staves or incorporate something into the class to make them feel unique instead of filler until you can get staves

[slow karma]

I sure can agree with that.

[forest coral]

I want more staves

[iron marten]

Also, am I even spelling it right? Staffs or Staves for the plural? This is the Psyker channel someone has to have passed an English class

[slow karma]

I'm sure we'll get more staves, that much is a given

But I feel that's an aspect tied to the clearly postponed subclasses

[regal musk]

Sadly that may be true. Psykinetic feels like it has a little bit of all of the different types of Psykers currently

[long wharf]

"staves" is correct for the weapons

for music and people/groups, "staffs" is correct

[iron marten]

When does it become an infection?

[long wharf]

that's Staph

[iron marten]

See how close we are to Nurgle?

[long wharf]

and that's heresy

[iron marten]

Keeps me up at night, man

[long wharf]

that's what Nurgle wants

if you believed in the Emperor enough, you'd sleep

[restive slate]

That's what Slaaneshi wants too

She/He wants you UP all night

[long wharf]

I'm pretty sure Slaanesh doesn't care if you're up, down, left, or right

[iron marten]

SlaaneshTDs

[long wharf]

that's Nurgle

[restive slate]

That's Slaaneshi and Nurgle collab

[forest coral]

Would it make ur pp explode

[long wharf]

only one way to find out... pilgrim.

[iron marten]

Pp explosion is more like a khorne thing, no?

Don't think on it too hard otherwise Tzeench gets involved

[long wharf]

Tzeentch is always involved

[echo turtle]

I just finished a damnation assination mission with a gun. Guns slap

[iron marten]

Now THAT'S heresy

[long wharf]

the fact that we're even having this discussion is because Tzeentch wanted us to

for some ungodly reason

[regal musk]

Way to admit you got carried man.

[restive slate]

For some ChaosGodly reason

[iron marten]

Which gun and build do you recommend? I'm up for giving it a go

[long wharf]

yes, Inquisitor, this comment right here

[echo turtle]

I think the mk3 vraks is where its at

[restive slate]

Aight Vraks Mk3 is pretty valid

[iron marten]

Feats? Does it matter much or do any of them compliment going gun?

[regal musk]

Literally only 1 feat affects guns in anyway, Cerebral Lacerations, but it doesnt last anywhere near long enough to make it a valid strategy for bvuffing guns lol

[echo turtle]

Brain burst like crazy switch to the gun instead of quelling. I run a dagger with it

antax would be good too, or whatever

doesn’t matter

[long wharf]

if you're constantly jacking up your peril, why not just run Quietude?

[echo turtle]

Essence harvest has more regen than quoetitude

Think about it. You hit 100% peril and quell down most of that. 40% back.

you could have had 30-60 back before you even started quelling

[iron marten]

Well, I know what I'm doing tonight before bed. What blessings do you look for on your knife though?

[echo turtle]

Uncanny strike is BiS

but honestly, any knife is fine

just get one with a good crit roll, and get +5% crit

block push attacks on knife are op

its a heavy strike,m

[regal musk]

EH give syou 30% back over 5 seconds.
Quiet will keep restoring toughness for as long as youre pushing peril down.
Meaning you get spikes of toughness whenevr the passive quell triggers, passively whenever youre on your gun and actively during BB if you're quelling.

[echo turtle]

take it into the grinder and see how it works all the elites and specialists to get a feel

[cyan notch]

i dont think knife can roll crit can it

[echo turtle]

oh ur right,

you want finesse stat

which isncrit damage

and attack speed

[regal musk]

EH also means you get zero toughness restoration on Monstrosity fights unless you find a weakling to BB for a charge

EH has its best value when used with Purgatus, AB and Communion together.

[echo turtle]

Why are you taking toughness damage in a monster fight?

[long wharf]

if you play perfectly, why even bother having toughness regen?

[cyan notch]

you can just stand near teammates to regen fighting a monster

[echo turtle]

Take whatever regen you want. In most fights I get significantly more regen from the 30% on warp charge

plague ogryns and beasts are easy to avoid damage from

you do you

[regal musk]

Yeah, but i was commenting on his build specifically, which does not contain Communion OR Ascendant Blaze

[fierce sinew]

if there are no adds to farm for toughness that means you're facing just the monstrosity, if you're getting hit there your build isn't the problem

your monitor is off

[echo turtle]

^

[forest coral]

I tend to like EH more in higher difficulties since you should always be near team members with communion

but if u ever do like the really hard stuff like true duos or just happen to be solo most of the time, quietude would definitely be better

[spice veldt]

yeah, just pick the feat that doesn't change your playstyle the most

quelling is something I always do, and I avoid using BB, so quietude is the best option for me

[leaden thunder]

also

toughness regen curios

[spice veldt]

unless you're the type of person that likes to play around their build

[regal musk]

Its mor ethat each one compliments different playstyles.

Sure you can force it to work in a playstyle its not designed to work with, but that doesnt make it a good idea lol

[echo turtle]

communion and AB have the same issue, you need chaff to trigger the regen.

so, the only question is what is going to give you more toughness between the three talents. I have found that what I selected provides me the most toughness

[regal musk]

Good for you.

[echo turtle]

You're pretty condescending for someone who thinks restoration during monster fights is worth considering when choosing feats

[regal musk]

Spoken like someone who has never experienced a dual Monstrosity spawn in a really bad place.

Setting yourself up with the expection that no mistakes will be made, no accidents will occur and you will play frame perfect for an entire mission is your choice.
My preference is to build around expecting something bad to happen.
I stated my opinion to that effect. Why are you so offended?

[forest coral]

I brainburst a lot and like to keep team mates safe since so EH is my preference. But ur right in saying EH is proabbly the worst option for clutching

[twilit flicker]

Lmao what the heck. G.

[forest coral]

however its regen is strong enough to out tank potshots from shooters in damnation which is nice

[echo turtle]

You critiqued my build and I answered why I chose my feat, Not sure why you’re so up your own ass and playing it off like I’m being sensitive when you’re talking down to me

[leaden thunder]

lets keep being hostile

I am sure the is constructive

[echo turtle]

Dm me if you have any questions about the build

[regal musk]

Was it the "Good for you" that got you so rustled?
You do know that the meaning of that line is to acknowledge that you enjoy what you enjoy and thats not wrong to do so, right?

[spice veldt]

personally, I find that both of you suck

[echo turtle]

haha I’m good man. I’m just gonna keep winning games in damnation and if Heresy and Malice players wanna keep telling me I’m being carried I’ll just have to live with it

[spice veldt]

this

[spice veldt]

and that

[echo turtle]

and that?

[spice veldt]

mhm

[echo turtle]

what about that?

[spice veldt]

because it's a condescending sentence

[echo turtle]

Constructive questions get constructive feedback

[spice veldt]

because it's already understood that you take damage a monstrosity fight because you made a mistake

[echo turtle]

dodge out of plaguegryn stomps, the beast eats you. toughness doesn’t help.

[spice veldt]

toughness helps a little to guard you from the occasional chip damage, and if you happen to take enough damage to go to 0 toughness, you'll be wanting for toughness

i think it's extreme to make an absolute statement like "toughness doesn't help", wouldn't you say?

[iron marten]

Thanks. I will. Need to get the kids down for the night first before I can experiment with this

[spice veldt]

the initial case for scenarios like these is that people are going to be making mistakes

[echo turtle]

On monster battles? if theres no chaff ur getting slapped around don’t tell me my build is wrong was my stance up there

V ogryns, they have a super predictable pattern

[spice veldt]

two wrongs don't make a right

[echo turtle]

Don’t lecture me

[long wharf]

you're trying to play up to some moral high ground that doesn't exist

[spice veldt]

if you have a problem with the fact that they're critiquing your build from the wrong ground, then you should purely critique their mistakes

it's not a moral high ground but about attacking the right thing

you don't need to frame a guilty person

[echo turtle]

I had a problem with their attitude and the way they spoke to me

[ornate hamlet]

Man what clown fiesta is going on in here

[long wharf]

guilty of what?

[leaden thunder]

and you responded with agression

that makes things escalate

[echo turtle]

So what?

[leaden thunder]

so do you want to have a shouting match on the internet

[echo turtle]

I blocked them too, so that argument is never gonna happen again

[long wharf]

oh bother

[spice veldt]

it's an analogy referring to Lyote who called FordPrefect's build suboptimal even though it wasn't really that suboptimal

[leaden thunder]

or do you want to talk

[echo turtle]

with that guy, Naw I’m good

[cyan notch]

speaking of double monsters

[leaden thunder]

I generally perfer to not have shouting matches on the internet

[spice veldt]

and if you have a problem with people's attitude, just talk about their attitude instead of potential collateral damage with statements like "why are you taking damage during a boss fight"

[echo turtle]

If someone is going to be rude, I’ll be rude right back. But I agree with not having shouting matches so he and I wont be speaking again. simple as

[long wharf]

you know, if everyone else is the problem... that means you're the problem.

[echo turtle]

Not interested in the lecture friend

[ornate hamlet]

Man that went from 0-100 real fast

[spice veldt]

but if you didn't make the statement, everyone could've lambasted on Lyote

you realize that your statement acts as a shield

[long wharf]

you really should just stop lecturing

he's not going to listen or learn, and you're wasting your time and effort

[spice veldt]

depends

i'm not so fond of absolute statements like that

and it's not like they're the only people in this discord

[long wharf]

doesn't matter what you're fond of, he's already shown that he's not

[spice veldt]

sure, but when did I say that he was the only person I intended to convince?

[long wharf]

this isn't a philosophy chat where you're the teacher addressing a student's issue for the benefit of everyone else here

let it go.

[spice veldt]

no

[long wharf]

yes.

[ornate hamlet]

Just gonna keep feeding him to spout more random crap, which leads to you trying to lecture him more and more and frankly both of you just seem like absolute tools.

[echo turtle]

My man, I won’t be argueing with them anymore. All is well

[long wharf]

yep, nothing says "I enjoy discussions" like blocking everyone who says something you don't like

[twilit flicker]

Is that a moral high ground statement? Just let him be.

Not you ford.

How does one deal with two monsters? Is it a bug?

[forest coral]

no more madge, duelling sword tuesday.

[long wharf]

not a bug at all

[leaden thunder]

you got to be really unlucky or trying for it to happen most the time

some people like to kite beasts of nurgle around to get two of them

[long wharf]

those people are heretics

[echo turtle]

Yeye, the combat knife takes a lot of practice

it has a massive lunge which is fun. always go for the face. except for maulers.

You can run down trappers and shit it’s so fast.

The gun is fun, I’m mot convinced it’s better than the staves but it works well enough for Damnation. The Mk3 vraks headhunter has been the best I have used to far, if you have the FPS skills the mk12 may be optimal I dunno which is “the best”. The mk3 vraks headhunter hand hip fire down ragers and maulers REAL fast which is nice

[forest coral]

yes and then bring them aboard the ships to finish mission

[leaden thunder]

they just want to be friends

[long wharf]

the Beast of Nurgle has a degree in aeronautical engineering

[ornate hamlet]

Man I recently got an orange rashad axe from the emperor and yeesh, the damage those light attacks do

[twilit flicker]

Monster friends lol

[echo turtle]

Last time it happened we split up and dealt with then that way

[long wharf]

it just wants to make sure your ship is properly maintained

[leaden thunder]

axes do some stupid damage on lights

[forest coral]

is that a lalafel

[long wharf]

especially the mk v combat axe

[ornate hamlet]

It is. I am potato gremlin in FF

[leaden thunder]

a dubious little creature

[forest coral]

that is all

[ornate hamlet]

Your kneecaps will be spared.

[forest coral]

back on topic of melee weapons tho

Catachan sword VII is being slept on slightly

[ornate hamlet]

I've been wanting to try out the combat knife as well

What blessings should be on it?

[forest coral]

Combat knife+ purg works fairly well

errr

[leaden thunder]

honestly Idk what blessings you want on it outside of zealot

becuase zealot likes the bleed on it

but bleed is kinda bad without the zealot feat

[twilit flicker]

Depends I guess? I have two one is better for horde clear because it gets extra power. The other has bleed.

[forest coral]

think backstab + shred

bleed kinda useless on psyker

but tbh I use it as more of a positioning tool/ unyielding killer or elite killer

[leaden thunder]

ye

[forest coral]

my finger hurts too much to use it as a horde clear

even then, its kinda ass at handling hordes

[leaden thunder]

you can dodge "tank" with it rather easily

[forest coral]

ya

[twilit flicker]

Its nice on bosses, because well, it also has weakpoint damage if the target is bleeding. The mobility though!

[forest coral]

its got very good boss dam

[leaden thunder]

bleed does like really good damage vs unyielding if you have that on it as well

[forest coral]

however im more inclined to go for duelling sword V these days

3 heavies to the head will kill most maniacs including mutie

[cyan notch]

id get uncanny + lacerate

[leaden thunder]

that's probably solid

covers weaknesses

I want to try a higher tier uncanny on my shovel

but that's for vet chat

[ornate hamlet]

Here's the axe i've been trying out on damnation meat grinder. With 6 warp charges it crits mutants for 1169 damage on lights

[forest coral]

[leaden thunder]

man, why is all or nothing 4%

that needs to be like at least 10%

[ornate hamlet]

As a tier 3 blessing as well, only 4%

[safe crystal]

There was a theory on ogryn channel, where these blessings are actually designed by ogryns. They cant count higher than 4

[leaden thunder]

blessing are pretty fucked rn

whould you like

5% crit and weakspot damage

on dodging

or

75% damage

for killing 5 things

hmmm

[safe crystal]

I want run n gun

On everything

Even the axe

[leaden thunder]

I have run and gun + sprint eff on my kickback for ogryn

very useful 10/10

a teir 3 run and gun too

so I can shoot while sprinting better

[twilit flicker]

A runner and gunner, so you can sprint while sprinting.

[leaden thunder]

t3 and 4 run and gun need to let you reload why sprinting

[safe crystal]

What do the tiers for them do anyway? Nothing i assume

[leaden thunder]

or use your secondary for the pskyer staves

[safe crystal]

I think i have either a T3 or T2 on most of my staves

[twilit flicker]

Idea, I know its too late now but what if they added another set of talents for mobility only. Make run and gun a talent, and the same for quelling on psykers, reloading for others ect.

The dreamer can dream of running.

[forest coral]

My best non purg staff is still my voidstrike, warp nexus and terrifying barrage with 80 dam, 80 radius 74 charge rate but 22% quell speed and 72 resist, +flak armor dam and +unarmoured dam

bad quell is easily offset with a non fs melee

But nah, no running. Just become backline spam

[safe crystal]

Woah, actually. My voidstrike doesnt have run n gun

I just barely use it

Even though its decent

[forest coral]

thats very decent

transfer peril means more spam

[safe crystal]

This is my most used staff for sure, and it has my favourite blessings

[forest coral]

is run and gun even good on a staff

[safe crystal]

Yes, trust me

Source: trust me bro

[forest coral]

[safe crystal]

Idk, i was gonna try making a macro for it

So i can just sprint wherever

[cyan notch]

mid

[safe crystal]

AND it actually does something, unlike some of the blessings

So theres that

[echo turtle]

I like it on my purg staff, Its fun. Not as good as nexus or flurry but its better than many

[celest hedge]

run and gun I think can be decent on purge since the hip fire on the left click has a bit of a nice stagger to it on some stuff

being able to attack while maintaining sprint is a nice effect but your single purge M1 probably isn't going to kill anything in a single hit compared to a headshot with any other staff M1

[tired estuary]

it can let you run up n bonk smth you've staggered tho which is cute

[maiden wolf]

I got my mits on a T3 pinning fire autopistol.

Not bad

I'm gonna keep looking for a T4 one

[candid temple]

They nerfed deflector?

Why is fatshark like this.

[maiden wolf]

Haha, autopistol go brrrr

Its actually still not that good

But at least its better with pinning fire.

[celest hedge]

auto pistol always felt really nice to use

[maiden wolf]

When I get one with T4 pinning fire I'll be very happy. You can trigger the pinning fire effect with your ult as psyker which is cool.

[celest hedge]

i've only ever gotten auto pistols with raking fire, the damage bonus can be good but it's very situational

either that or speedload, without fail

[maiden wolf]

Yeah, I have one with T4 speedload :P, I have a few with cavalcade as well as T4 inspiring barrage.

[light quail]

I don't think I've ever ran shredder on a psyker

usually laspistol for me

does it have the special force shove that laspistol has or is it still stuck with a flashlight?

[near wyvern]

Flashlight

Is the force shove on laspistol any good?

Seems to do a bit too little

At least to me

[cyan notch]

pretty long range

[near wyvern]

But weakish stagger

Does it knock off dogs from ppl?

[restive slate]

What's this about deflector getting nerfed?

[spice veldt]

probably referring to how deflector no longer blocks bullets while reviving

[cyan notch]

it staggers dreg ragers on their ass but not flak for some reason

[digital loom]

if psyker could only get braced autogun...

[plucky perch]

i would rather a siena like full auto staff primary

[spice veldt]

i went from vet to psyker thinking that "i guess there's suppression from enemies, but if I just use brauto on Psyker, it probably won't be too bad"

and then there was no brauto

[light quail]

yeah

bolt staff and corsucation would be nice to have in dt

sniper and shotgun staffs respectively

we already have fireball, conflagration and firestorm

[plucky perch]

or just any alternative to the 3 copy and pasted primary fires on 3 of our 4 force staffs

though i do agree! a sniper staf alla sienas bolt staff would be fun

[light quail]

VS could keep what we have now
trauma could have a corscation type blast
surge could get a lighting bolt with high headshot dmg

[plucky perch]

that i would actualy love a hit scan single target presicion zapp for the surge

i would keep void strike as is but... maybe reduce head shot, but in exchange give it linier peirce? as oposed to its secondary attacks radial/linier peirce?

[light quail]

that could work

point really is that staffs have terrible lmb, not good for most things cause it takes like 2-3 hits to bring down even a lowly poxwalker

[plucky perch]

i wouldnt say its terrible... just clunky and uninspired. a head shot from anyhting above a 50% damage force staff roll will do about 280+ damage non crit ona head shot one shotting up to heresy at least, havent tested damnation. all pox walker and dregs. and both scab and dreg shooters. the non eleites

[spice veldt]

they have a niche for staggering/suppressing gunners, but they could otherwise use some work to be actually useful in more situations

[plucky perch]

though an kantarell can do the same with a body shot and with out worrying about travel time and wind up

[spice veldt]

they might be worried about staffs bypassing the suppression system

or thinking about how staffs should interact with it

although with the kantrael, there's the weapon swap time and ADS
the staffs aren't clunky since the weapon switch time is pretty fast (except for the secondaries which are all charging secondaries)

i'm pretty peeved that all of the Force staffs are crowd-controllers or at least CC-adjacent, and we don't have any class-specific ranged weapon that's particularly good at dealing with shooters

[plucky perch]

ive found that the surge with 75ish charge and crit both can deal with decent chunks of shooters with a spam or two

*damage and crit

not charge

[restive slate]

I want an exceptionally cc staff, a time staff that slows down enemies in an aoe

[spice veldt]

only problem with surge is that dreg enemies take a bit longer to kill

it's fine since you can just hide in cover and/or surging pretty much takes 5 shooters out of the equation even if they're not dead, but I usually dislike weapons with these weird weaknesses against certain enemies

[plucky perch]

but i do agree while all the staffs can kill it DOES seem every single staf even the purgutus to an extend is primarily cc then secondarily hoard clear

even the purgutus's soul blaze fades off monstorsities after about a second and a half versuses a zealots flamer burn being like 7 or 8

[spice veldt]

I also think that Soulblaze ticks slower than Burn? Just something I remember faintly seeing in this Discord

[plucky perch]

it does i beleive soul blaze ticks by the second or half second if i remember right, veruses flamer near constant health drane

on non monstrosities the dps is effecxtively the same

[restive slate]

Soul Blaze needs high stacks to kill

[plucky perch]

with comprable rolls

blaze too

though i think the flamers primary ALSO applies multiple stacks of burn

versus the purugtuses one

[light quail]

and thats why I laspistol

laspistol is honestly perfect for psyker

i forget if we also have revolvers (we did in closed beta), but they arent a bad pick either

[spice veldt]

yeah; we got revolvers

i don't like guns because I don't want to compete with my teammates for ammo

[obtuse crypt]

Man after several hundred hours of vet playing on pysker wasn't actually bad as I thought it would be, the infinite ammo technically and vastly better stamina regen feels pretty nice

[spice veldt]

I also dislike the laspistol cuz of the reliance on crit damage

[light quail]

only problem on psyker is health but thats a given

100thp/150hp base

[obtuse crypt]

They literally need to give it a more reliable way of getting crit, if you're not a vet using a laspistol is pretty painful

[spice veldt]

i like it when I know an enemy will be dead in two shots, so I can just tap them twice and move my crosshair onto another enemy

yeah

like the damn Blazing Spirit blessing on Force Swords

At T4, it's +4 Soulblaze stacks up to 12, which is nice

but it only occurs on critical hits

[light quail]

could do that with psykinetic's wrath
atm its 5-15% bonus staff dmg depending on peril, could rework it to have a crit boost to firearms as well

[obtuse crypt]

Laspistol mains rise up and post a thing on the forums so they don't ignore it

[spice veldt]

all 12 of them

[obtuse crypt]

Fuck

[light quail]

laspistol duelling sword is fun
bootleg psychic commissar

[obtuse crypt]

That is a major contradiction and I love it

Fucking in what universe would a pysker ever be a commissar

Unless there is one

Thatd be based honestly

[light quail]

idk but it could kind of work

[obtuse crypt]

One of the key things of being a commissar being, "abhore the mutant" might make it difficult for a pysker to get the positition is all

[light quail]

in-lore psykers have the powers that could make them some of the best field commanders

telepathics have an ability that uplifts morale for emperor's sake! they're made for this kind of shit!

diviners too would be incredible partners for a commissar

only problems they'd have are against tyranids with their whole psychic cutoff shit

but other than that, divinators and telepaths would make superb commissars

[spare surge]

Hey all, quick question about the Pick & Mix Penance. Is it better to try it on Heresy or Damnation?

I imagine Heresy High Intensity, as the Specials/Elites have less health so you can brain burst more consistantly.

[safe crystal]

Maps with guaranteed spawns are usually the go-to, like comms plex mid event gunner wave after calling elevator

Groups of gunners/shotgunner are usually the ones you should aim to kill, since they die with 1 BB even on damnation

[forest coral]

hi intense heresy would be ideal since you will one tap most things out there with 4+ warp stacks

[safe crystal]

You might also want to make sure any vets have an accident ask your team nicely beforehand