and thinking about how that would work with Dueling Sword, hoo boy
#psyker-class
gleaming comet
forest coral
I want a spear
gleaming comet
same!!
I know Force Pikes or whatever are typically used by Grey Knights, but I feel like if any class should get a polearm it's Psyker
north cradle
I mean I think Zealot is a better choice for polearms
gleaming comet
maybe? Doesn't feel quite brutal enough for me personally
north cradle
Psyker is clearly the class with Dexterity as their main ability, using shortswords and sabres
gleaming comet
for me the thing I like about Zealot is that all the melee wep animations are super brutal like the Zealot's putting his whole weight into it
north cradle
Sword and Dagger Psyker, so I can fulfill my Kerillian shitbaggery desires
gleaming comet
whereas Psyker's the dude who's gone full gish and is subbing in INT for their weapon attack stat, basically outright doing kata in the middle of combat with the FS to hone mental discipline through rote physical movement
gleaming comet
(at least that's the vibe I get from FS's combos, the way Psyker moves with it feels less like they're "attacking" and more doing a rehearsed set of movements)
jovial mural
dual dagger psyker?
would love that as a weapon
north cradle
Yeh I noticed Force Sword doesn't look like it flows well in actual combat
He attacks like a Pirates of the Caribbean Online melee character
gleaming comet
it definitely flows, it's just that the Psyker's lost in a flow that isn't the current reality ahead of them
which I really like
north cradle
The Tactical Axes I think suffer the same odd attack pattern, funny enough
gleaming comet
honestly that's my justification for Dueling Sword too, the discipline inherent to the various styles of fencing probably serve as a fantastic way for the Psyker to ground themselves back in reality to passively quell themselves
north cradle
The stabby duelling sword definitely reminds me of my fencing days
I was trained in foil fencing
gleaming comet
it feels a bit weird to be doing that kind of fencing stuff with a saber, but I don't know enough about fencing to dispute whether a saber is an appropriate blade for that sort of thing
north cradle
I haven't used the other Dueling Swords much, but I'm sure one is slashy and the other is a mix, like sabre and épée
You can stab with a sabre just fine
gleaming comet
Mk4 (iirc) has the repeated slashes with the stab heavy, Mk5 is all slashes, and Mk2 is... I forget exactly, I only played a couple rounds with it but I just remember there being a lot of weird angles
gleaming comet
You can stab with a sabre just fine
yeah fair
north cradle
I was trained in drill manual with a sabre too, but when no-one above my rank was looking, I definitely tried to do my old fencing moves
gleaming comet
I also really like the detail of the Psyker assuming the stance with their left hand behind their back with the DS, unsure if that's an actual stance or not but I think it's a neat detail that there's a different posture compared to the other weapons at least
north cradle
Lunges were just fine, no blade balance problems or curvature so sharp that it looked more like a sickle
That is an actual fencing stance
north cradle
You can really have your offhand anywhere so long as it's behind the fencer's body when in the en garde position
gleaming comet
I hope that future Psyker melees keep the theme of "your combo string is you going through a practiced weapon drill" going
lunar hollow
the other characters not as much
gleaming comet
Zealot is pure testosterone lol
lunar hollow
yeah lol
north cradle
I'm imagining the Force Greatsword having a similar moveset to the Warden from For Honor
gleaming comet
I'm imagining the Force Greatsword having a similar moveset to the Warden from F...
Oooh
lunar hollow
very visceral feeling
gleaming comet
Imagine a Force Pike playing like Nobushi lol
north cradle
"Hey Ogryn, plant your shield for a sec"
And we just become a phalanx
Here
Foil fencing is gentlemanly sport, épée fencing is for hooligans and warfighters
digital loom
fencing is for limp wristed nobles who have never lifted anything heavier than a golden spoon
north cradle
I mean gold is pretty heavy
digital loom
a golden spoon of useable size is not heavier than even an effeminate french "weapon" like a rapier
it's a sport for dandies
although they did have some good weapons at the time
like the
Bec de corbin
and their regular arming swords were not bad
forest coral
But you can’t deny the duelling sword is classy af
digital loom
its more of a sabre isnt it
north cradle
Yeah the bec de corbin is cool, but the poleaxe is the most versatile weapon in warfare
digital loom
of course it is, nothing like having a big lever that can do everything
north cradle
Two pokey bits and a hammer head, okay. An axe head, a hammer head, and a spear tip? Real shit
Swiss knew what they were doing
digital loom
before ranged warfare, having a long lever was the meta
long swords, spears, you name it, then some madman made a 3 in 1
north cradle
Lucerne hammers
digital loom
i wonder how that came about, did someone just look at a warhammer and think "what if we make this a spear and see what happens
i'm just not cultured enough to enjoy fencing as a sport i guess
gleaming comet
I'm not particularly cultured, I just think rapiers are kinda sexy
Hence my love of Red Mages
digital loom
if they're used as an actual weapon its ok
just dont like fencing as a sport. seems disrespectful
gleaming comet
How would it be disrespectful?
north cradle
It's HEMA for people who want to compete in sports competitions, that's all
digital loom
taking a tool made specifically to kill and using it in a form of sport where two people fight without getting hurt for the sake of "points" is disrespectful to the nature of the tool.
north cradle
How do you expect to learn without a live opponent
digital loom
learn what? how to play the sport?
north cradle
There is only so much learning parry positions and movements can do for you before you have to actually apply your technique
digital loom
a point system will give you bad habits
you can see it clearly even in stuff like karate sport, how it's completely useless for anything except scoring points
swords belong in museums
north cradle
In foil, you strike at the torso since that's where all the vital squishy bits are. You stab here, you're going to cause some serious damage
Poke opponent, retreat so they can't stab you back
digital loom
its a sport, not training to fight
north cradle
Sports can be training tools, like boxing or wrestling or marksmanship
I think fencing can be added to the list for basic swordsmanship
If you want something more efficacious in hand to hand with weaponry, HEMA exists
restive slate
What about that wrestling in knight armour sport?
north cradle
That sounds epic, show me
digital loom
sports have rules which will tailor how people practice to focusing on "okay" areas in order to get points, which results in situations like an extremely open to attack posture based on habits formed from "if they try to hit me there its ok because it awards no points
once that becomes muscle memory, its useless for anything but sport
restive slate
That sounds epic, show me
digital loom
there is no such thing as an "illegal" move or a "foul" in a fight to the death
north cradle
I mean épée is right there if you want to avoid being hit all together
cyan notch
im sure if they are fighting to death they will realise it
digital loom
its just a sport for aristocrats to feel like they are good at something too. Kind of like jousting tournaments
cyan notch
nobody goes and says hey u cant pull a gun on me its a fist fight only!
digital loom
nobody goes and says hey u cant pull a gun on me its a fist fight only!
the government will dictate this with laws using their force monopoly, but unfortunately if someone is already breaking the law you shouldn't expect them to pick and choose what laws they're following.
which means law abiders are always on the losing side
north cradle
I have been in groundfighting matches during martial arts, and I have both improvised and used techniques I was taught by my instructors. It's always a tossup whether I will score the win, but it's neither infallible nor flawless so long as you can capitalise on an opportunity to use it
digital loom
but thats not fencing
and there are still rules you have to follow
for example, someone who does karate as sport is usually vulnerable to blindsiding because hitting certain areas is a foul and their guard for the sake of efficiency is not optimal. Even if they're in a street fight for their life, if they rely on the years of habits they've formed for competition, they're in danger vs anyone with real street fighting experience
but that is an extreme example
if you want to do bare handed sports i dont really care, its your body use it how you like
its just about the weapon being used this way
north cradle
That's probably why there are different disciplines of fencing, foil is just the most clinical
cyan notch
for example, someone who does karate as sport is usually vulnerable to blindsidi...
no i dont think so
theyll just adapt like a normal person would
north cradle
Gotta orient
If you can survive long enough to study your opponent during your defensive, you can try to find their blind spots. That's pretty much how épée is fought
digital loom
if its a tool made specifically for the sport, then i guess its all right
north cradle
Heavy weapons with the ability to score by poking your opponent anywhere on the body
digital loom
no i dont think so
you would be surprised how much habits can sabotage someone
cyan notch
i still dont think thats realistic
youre not even in the same scenarios in sport vs real life
everything is different
digital loom
its really just about using the tool not for its intended purpose being disrespectful
if it was meant to kill people then it shouldn't be made light of by becoming entertainment
it should be regarded with the respect it deserves and kept safely
restive slate
It's like sports martial arts, with modern rules
north cradle
Or marksmanship
cyan notch
things evolve over time
north cradle
I don't even get taught to shoot at round targets anymore, they're human-sized and human-shaped
digital loom
marksmanship is all right because you're shooting at targets not real people
even as a sport
north cradle
But fencing is wrong because you're stabbing at real people with a practice weapon not designed to inflict wounds
digital loom
if they're using real swords they shouldn't wear any protective gear at all
otherwise they shouldn't swing them at each other
but if they're using tools made specifically for fencing the sport then its all right
cyan notch
who is using real swords to fight each other for sport
north cradle
It's a precaution, like when I wear Type III plates to the range. Someone might have an ND
digital loom
they did in the 1200's or so
north cradle
In the same vein, someone's foil might break
north cradle
they did in the 1200's or so
No lol
You know how expensive metal is, let alone in swords which are mostly metal?
People used wooden weapons for training purposes
digital loom
i'm talking about fencing
north cradle
"Who is using real swords to fight each other for sport?"
"They did in the 1200's or so"
north cradle
That's the 13th century
north cradle
I can see this being the case for duels for honour, but for practice, the tips were blunted
The corners were blunted too, and the construction of Renaissance and modern foils are such that they are super flexible
digital loom
not always, drawing blood used to be a thing
and any foiled weapons they did have were real weapons that had been ruined for the purpose of entertainment
actual, real sport foils didn't exist for a little while
north cradle
Ya the foil was constructed by the French in the 18th century
cyan notch
nobody is doing that now though so i dont see your issue with it
digital loom
i talked about nobles in the beginning
north cradle
Academic fencing was never done with any weapons that were constructed to be lethal, that would have discouraged people from even trying
north cradle
Yes, if you're actually fencing with sharp weapons, you're in a formal duel for honour
digital loom
no i mean at the beginning, the comment that turned into this weird discussion
i was talking about how it was for nobles
i don't turn down an internet argument, maybe it's my bad for not correcting the misunderstanding
young ridge
I feel this discussion wouldn't have happened if they never added the dueling sword
north cradle
Okay, so fencing was a sport founded for nobles. Sure, I can see where you're coming from, since swords are expensive
digital loom
it was basically karate school for rich people
north cradle
Yeh, I won't argue that point. Military academies taught soldiers how to use spears, or any farming or trade tool
young ridge
What's the most absurd thing you've argued about
cyan notch
sounds like a pretty cookie cutter internet guy
digital loom
it's sort of a "hill to die on" topic so i don't want to talk about it
not that i am willing to die on that hill
just that i will die on that hill
i have a habit of taking any side if it means an argument
north cradle
I just want to point out that early rapiers, or espadas de ropera, or what have you, would still have been blunted for training purposes before the foil became the training weapon of choice in modern fencing
digital loom
training is fine
to use a weapon for its intended purpose the most effectively, you have to train
especially if you're not particularly talented
since you will need to rely on time gapping your enemies in that case
north cradle
Actual duels between nobles for honour, would have been done with actual sharp weapons
young ridge
Do you guys have jobs
young ridge
That's cool
digital loom
every time i have a job interview i get into an argument
north cradle
I'm currently in a meme war with one of my co-workers as well
Everyone knows about it, we make no effort to hide it
My meme is currently sitting on the company server and I'm making a second volume now that we've doubled our staff
young ridge
So you are winning
north cradle
Yes
north cradle
I'll be using this song for the second volume
Inspired by Dark Messiah of Might & Magic is Ridiculous
Game needs a remake on Source 2 brah
vestal fulcrum
That Dark Messiah video is amazing 😄
AKA The adventures of Sir Kicksalot
A fun game for sure, nevertheless
solar loom
It's just pure source physics fuckery in its most glorious form.
A game where your boot is your best weapon
hot tulip
they buffed psyker 🥹
solar loom
It's not a huge buff and charges are still awkward as hell to generate.
echo turtle
I find I tend to have max charges all the time without even needing to pay attention
inland sand
so like
is 6 warp charges just the best 25 row talent now
really struggling to find a scenario where Flayer would be what I picked, maybe for the Surge staff still?
For the rest of them I just can't really see an instance where I'd want anything but the 6 charges
summer prairie
If you don't run AB, battery usually doesn't do anything.
inland sand
it feels like 24% over 16% extra damage would be very good with both the Void and Trauma Staff
especially if you're using the +dmg from peril as well
like that's got to be speeding up the time to kill on those staves
summer prairie
I guess it lets you be less precise with the void charge time vs hordes, but you probably won't hit any elite breakpoints
spice veldt
if the dmg roll is bad, I guess the extra 8% is nice
but they're not DPS weapons anyways
inland sand
Trauma, sure, but when I run Voidstrike I do enjoy it when it actually kills things
call me crazy
summer prairie
But if you are running warp battery, you will have to do some maintenance to actually keep it up without flayer and that may not be optimal
inland sand
But if you are running warp battery, you will have to do some maintenance to act...
if u run the 4% warp charge on 15 row that upkeep time is basically minimal now, in the light of most recent patch
spice veldt
where breakpoints are mostly the things that matter
summer prairie
the aura is so much better in the 15 row
inland sand
i would be curious to see what break points the VS would need to make its charged shot a 1 Shot breakpoint vs all shooters
would have to be on the headshot i guess
charging VS just increases ball size right
doesn't affect damage?
spice veldt
affects dmg
cyan notch
it absolutely does
inland sand
okay good to know
cyan notch
you dont wanna be this guy
inland sand
so then there probably is a scenario with 8% damage from warp charges and extra damage from the 10 row talent affects its time to charge relative to its 1 shot potential
leaden thunder
even then it sorta does, but only in the full damage of the "burst"
inland sand
you dont wanna be this guy
lol this lad, I don't think I've ever shot a mutie with a force staff
short of surging it
leaden thunder
he's trying his best
inland sand
aren't we all
leaden thunder
a single poxwalker vs an ogryn
grizzled jasper
Pooxwalker hitting an afk ogryn
half iron
you dont wanna be this guy
this is like that moment in among us when you do the keycard task in admin
wet jacinth
maiden wolf
I did some testing, turns out Psykinetic's Wrath CAN trigger pinning fire on the Autopistol
Which means you can get temporary +100% damage when you knock down a group of enemies. This could be good id you need to down an enemy with greater stagger resistance, as you can knock down an unrelated group of enemies for a damage bonus against your target. It could also synergize with the force sword push.
(If you have the T4 version of the blessing)
grizzled jasper
I’m gonna keep a closer eye on your ammo status psykers 
echo turtle
is 6 warp charges just the best 25 row talent now
That depends on your build, If you take essence absorption assuming the perk triggers every 20 seconds thats a 25% uptime on regen which is really good.
I think flayer is better when you run kinetic barrage as you will then naturally want psykinetic aura. Flayer here synergizes extremely well, especially with warp absorbtion stacked on (30% regen on wc)
if you decent to run ascendant blaze, 6 WC is a natural choice. I would probably also take psychic communion in this case.
inland sand
That depends on your build, If you take essence absorption assuming the perk tri...
so I figured that 6 Warp Charges would naturally be better with Barrage as it doesn't sac them to work
that and the synergy with faster brain bursts making it easier to maintain and get back to 6
AB feels quite mid on voidstrike and trauma builds where I feel like I want to keep my warp charges rather than saccing them
digital loom
its a good thing psykers cant get braced autoguns
otherwise there would be no need for veterans
inland sand
unless I'm missing something
echo turtle
so I figured that 6 Warp Charges would naturally be better with Barrage as it do...
It doesn’t push BB past any breakpoints, so imo it’s kind of a waste here.
when flayer triggers on an elite, it actually does reduce TTK
maiden wolf
its a good thing psykers cant get braced autoguns
The braced autoguns don't get pinning fire or inspiring barrage, but that really isn't enough to make the autopistol and good.
inland sand
It doesn’t push BB past any breakpoints, so imo it’s kind of a waste here.
when...
but does it push VS/Trauma charge time past any break points
echo turtle
AB feels quite mid on voidstrike and trauma builds where I feel like I want to k...
I don’t love AB. I think KB and The aura is where it’s at.
digital loom
the warp stacks can help depending on what other weapons you're using
inland sand
cause that's the big one
inland sand
I don’t love AB. I think KB and The aura is where it’s at.
I don't love it either except on Purgatus so i feel u there
digital loom
and in real fight situation, sometimes its enough depending on how much what you're brain bursting has been damaged already
echo turtle
flayer comes in clutch a lot
inland sand
I am just wondering if there is a case where 6 charges affects how quickly the trauma/vs can one shot certain things
echo turtle
Also, it actually makes BB better as it gives Bb a 10% chance to double procc
spice veldt
for trauma, it'll help against the 460 HP bruisers
echo turtle
so if you are doing Bbs into a bunch of elites it often procs
inland sand
gotcha
echo turtle
oh yeah, last point to flayer. With warp absorption it triggers regeneration
inland sand
if u run flayer I agree 100% don't need communion
spice veldt
you've got essence harvest and warp absorption mixed up
inland sand
ofc ofc
echo turtle
yeah probably sorry for the confusion
echo turtle
I lean into brainburst, so I find flayer works really well with it
spice veldt
yeah; they're all super nice
inland sand
really does feel like pick ur poison with that row
okay I will try trauma/VS with flayer and aura
i agree that Warp Battery and COmmunion go hand in hand
same with flayer and aura
and Barrage just seems like the best ultimate talent unless ur on Purgatus
echo turtle
I did some testing, turns out Psykinetic's Wrath CAN trigger pinning fire on the...
thanks for this. I have been ignoring shredder pistols but I’ll be keeping an eye out for that now
echo turtle
and Barrage just seems like the best ultimate talent unless ur on Purgatus
even on purge imo
maiden wolf
thanks for this. I have been ignoring shredder pistols but I’ll be keeping an ey...
I've been wanting to love autopistols for a while now.
echo turtle
Blaze on purge is kind of a hat on a hat
maiden wolf
Blaze on purge is kind of a hat on a hat
Yeah, but you can build stacks super fast, and with warp battery and inner tranquility you can shoot flames forever.
inland sand
its another way to immediately cycle warp charges which u lack if u've gone battery so i think i would still use it
psyker seems so strong now tho
devout sentinel
max burn purg can apply 15 stacks of soublaze if you start applying 6 stacks with warp battery into the hord alrdy they melt + everything non-elite/non-special wil die with 6 stacks on damnation
spice veldt
though the reason that you have to build stacks quickly is specifically because AB eats your charges
so more or less AB solving the problem it creates
devout sentinel
its another way to immediately cycle warp charges which u lack if u've gone batt...
Why would you lack ?
inland sand
if ur taking battery ur not taking flayer
devout sentinel
So ?
inland sand
so u don't passively generate as many charges?
devout sentinel
Like all discussions . Setup is important to talk .
Playing in static 4 grp that is well-rounded
-> warp battery + communion + ascendant -> you are the hord killer
Playing in public
-> go get that hybrid build so you can clutch and do stuff others fail to
inland sand
the psyker is a natural hybrid anyway
devout sentinel
Yeps
inland sand
jack of all trades master of none character, except now they just feel like master of all trades lol
devout sentinel
And btw
Flayer 15s cd , warp charge 25s decay . You can not be not on 4 warp charges permanently with this afk playstyle
(yes it has a chance to pop but .... surge,purg whatever it popps)
long wharf
morning siblings
devout sentinel
gday
long wharf
who else is waiting for today's community update telling us all about the upcoming patch "next week"?
devout sentinel
<-
cyan notch
bold of you to assume we have an update today
long wharf
well, it is Tuesday
devout sentinel
additionally deleting everyone from steam that is just full of hatred and didn't find the uninstall button yet
wet belfry
Community update is next week
wet belfry
What?
devout sentinel
Comm link*
humble bolt
echo turtle
Like all discussions . Setup is important to talk .
Playing in static 4 grp that...
There is something to be said for packing a wave clear nuke, I really like now nicely barrage flows but perhaps I should give ascendant blaze more of a chance. Maybe even just paired with the CDR aura and go heavier on pushing it out
I would love to play a game with all psykers where we all pack he cool down reduction and ascendant blaze and just be able to light every engagement up with our infinite ults, charge generation and soulblaze stacks
cyan notch
There is something to be said for packing a wave clear nuke, I really like now n...
i was a kinetic barrage with purg guy cuz purg handled hordes enough for me to not need blaze but ever since i swapped to ab + purg i never looked back at barrage
gleaming comet
I feel like Ascendant Blaze is less mandatory if using something like Trauma or Voidstrike, but yeah Surge and Purgatus def want it for different reasons
echo turtle
i was a kinetic barrage with purg guy cuz purg handled hordes enough for me to n...
I was trying it the other night and I just felt like it was so often wasted, maybe I should be less concerned about keeping the stacks up though
floral solstice
so is the update coming or should i just hit the sack now lol
echo turtle
just a message about the future patch
floral solstice
yeah dont pressure that one janitor into releasing the crafting updates
echo turtle
I feel like Ascendant Blaze is less mandatory if using something like Trauma or ...
Playing Damnation I find there are a lot of situations where I want to be ducking behind cover and tossing BBs down onto stuff and just skirmishing, These situations I found myself really missing Kinetic Barrage.
I have been messing around with gun builds though, I could see ascendant blaze potentially pairing well with a gun for the horde clear, and the extra damage from warp charges
gleaming comet
Ooooh true
echo turtle
I’ll try it out tonight and see how it feels
devout sentinel
I would love to play a game with all psykers where we all pack he cool down redu...
Cd doesnt stack and only the guy who kills the elite will grant it to everyone/inkl self. 1 psyker with it is enough (ofc every1 can take it tho)
echo turtle
undecided on psykinetic aura or communion for that though
cyan notch
the infinite target 30m range 6 stack room clearing is way faster than barrage if u position well
echo turtle
Cd doesnt stack and only the guy who kills the elite will grant it to everyone/i...
if everyine takes it, anytime any elite is downed every gets the cdr
If I have the feat and you kill a spelite nothing happens
which is why everone needs it
devout sentinel
if everyine takes it, anytime any elite is downed every gets the cdr
Could work but maybe spaghetti code will not allow so
floral solstice
im using lacerations over aura rn on my surge setup
echo turtle
How do you figure it wouldnt work
devout sentinel
undecided on psykinetic aura or communion for that though
if you want to play poppin psyk def aura . why commu if u want to bb lot ;)
echo turtle
lacerations is a waste imo as you only every get said bonus va ogryns and muties and its not enough to get past a breakpoint
echo turtle
if you want to play poppin psyk def aura . why commu if u want to bb lot ;)
That build I was talkin bout would run blaze
and without a surge staff
devout sentinel
How do you figure it wouldnt work
Can tell you later when my grp is on and we go full psyk
floral solstice
you reach some juicy breakpoints on ogryns with 0 charge lacerations
and yeah i still think aura is better
echo turtle
you reach some juicy breakpoints on ogryns with 0 charge lacerations
why wiuld you have 0 charge?
floral solstice
more like im starting to try to get used to lacerate for a change
echo turtle
and you get 3 bursts instead of 4. which you should already be at
floral solstice
uhh maybe im just entering a room and decided to bb a reaper?
echo turtle
why wouldnt you hve near full charges tho
floral solstice
dont make this too theoretical
devout sentinel
uhh maybe im just entering a room and decided to bb a reaper?
doing something wrong since new patch
echo turtle
^
devout sentinel
but i get your thing
safe crystal
Could be right after AB if you run that, kill the reaper since the vets are too busy mag dumping into the horde anyway
echo turtle
You go 4 minutes between fights to lose all the charges?
if you just popped blaze you’ll have charges back lol
devout sentinel
You go 4 minutes between fights to lose all the charges?
Dont tell them the hidden G button !!
gleaming comet
I forget, is Reddit still on the "Psyker sucks + has 0 build variety + Surge is the only good staff" train?
echo turtle
lol
floral solstice
i like how i said that im trying out lacerations over my usual aura setup and people started jumping in to argue :))
biatch pls
devout sentinel
I forget, is Reddit still on the "Psyker sucks + has 0 build variety + Surge is ...
:O ??
floral solstice
spice veldt
build variety is a little lacking to be fair
floral solstice
as if damnation hi5 isnt easy enough to meme around even if i find aura to be better in general
echo turtle
I forget, is Reddit still on the "Psyker sucks + has 0 build variety + Surge is ...
?
no
lacerations is just not good conpared to CDR reduction which increases the teams dps far more
devout sentinel
well ppl lacking skill thats the issue xD
gleaming comet
^
echo turtle
^
safe crystal
Idk, im just throwing ideas on why someone would be at 0 charges. True, you'd get them back in a moment, but the first BB you are likely not to have any
echo turtle
I see a lot of psykers not taking KD and dying 10 times a game
gleaming comet
?
no
lacerations is just not good conpared to CDR reduction which increases the...
Right, I wasn't asking about if the class was actually bad, I've been playing it and it's a blast
I was wondering if someone had hopped onto the subreddit and seen their garbage Psyker takes lmao
If the takes were still garbage or not
floral solstice
im using lacerations over aura rn on my surge setup
just wanna point out that this was what i started with lmao
devout sentinel
If you need E-Sports lvl shotcalling for damnation you deffinitly will say "dang we lack variety there is only 1 build per class dizsucks"
echo turtle
LOL yeah, Reddit says psykers should hide from conbat and turtle with Force swords
gleaming comet
Blocking is boring, I want to be a crackhead
devout sentinel
force swords ... jiggles in combat blade mobility
echo turtle
even though, we have the lowest stam delay, making the class a close conbat god
spice veldt
part of that deflector hype
echo turtle
force swords ... jiggles in combat blade mobility
Combat blade is my fave weapon by far
spice veldt
my dream force sword is Unstable Power with slaughterer
gleaming comet
even though, we have the lowest stam delay, making the class a close conbat god
Imagine if we also had some sort of thing like SotT's poison lol
Blackvenom, that's what it's called
devout sentinel
i laughed so hard when someone in voice said "men fast revive teammate i deflector enemy" XDDDD
we got a new shield psyker breed
safe crystal
Oh no
echo turtle
That was sort of a thing before
but not so much now, gotta dive into a horde to hide from bullets
gleaming comet
Shrimply kill all the enemies
echo turtle
- revive speed can be real clutch though, but like
Sniper and gunner resistance is better
gleaming comet
Do you guys think 2 Stam + 1 Toughness or 1 Stam + 2 Toughness btw?
echo turtle
My favourite reddit take is + 10-20% toughness DR is better than functionally near infinite stamina
echo turtle
Do you guys think 2 Stam + 1 Toughness or 1 Stam + 2 Toughness btw?
0 stam
you don’t need it
spice veldt
1 stam is enough I reckon
gleaming comet
Wait really? Even just for moving around and pushing?
echo turtle
Kinetic deflection makes a stamina pool unecessary
yeah
.5 second delay
you can push forever
spice veldt
it's nice to have the extra stamina for push strength though
echo turtle
block oush attack twoce a second
not really
you get push strength for like, 1 extra push
then ur back to 0 the rest of the fight cycling block push attacks
spice veldt
depends on the weapon
echo turtle
any weapon
spice veldt
I know, but push stagger lasts longer if you consume the full amount of stamina needed
echo turtle
so why waste stam to have extra pushes for the first seocnds combat
it’s the last seconds of conbat that matter and stam is 0 for that
you can block push attack twice a second, you don’t need longer stagger
echo turtle
block push strike
wet belfry
Even then the weapons you listed are really easy to retreat with.
echo turtle
with the dagger its faster than chaining heavies
devout sentinel
finally found it :
want this as brain burst
https://youtu.be/Dy2vDjM1Xgs?t=152
echo turtle
with the axe it’s the optimal attack too
wet belfry
Like if you do get overwhelmed just retreat?
spice veldt
depends on the weapon
echo turtle
any weapon
spice veldt
force sword deals no damage on push attacks
echo turtle
block strike strike strike
spice veldt
yeah, that's block cancelling
echo turtle
dodge
spice veldt
not pushing
echo turtle
same@process
spice veldt
and pushing is nice for fighting in place
echo turtle
FS is imo pretty bad, and even worse if you meed to compensate for it’s inherent weakness by dropping health or toughness for stam just to make it less useless
spice veldt
stam for it isn't necessary if you stack stam regen
and it's decent with slaughterer
echo turtle
I take a conbat knife and can fight hordes with ragers and crushers mixed in jsut fine with no stam or stam regen
stam regen also useless. I fight at 0 stam.
imo
spice veldt
I also don't run kinetic deflection
spice veldt
so in my case stamina is necessary
echo turtle
you drop 17% toughness, take a stam
spice veldt
I don't have much trouble in melee, whereas ranged enemies are more annoying
inland sand
I did not like it
echo turtle
to that you can have 17% toughness reduction?
spice veldt
bruh I don't run stamina
inland sand
Ascendent Blaze with 6 charges feels so unnecessary
spice veldt
why are you assuming things man
echo turtle
KD is 1000x better than toughness damaafe reduction
spice veldt
not if you don't have trouble against melee or against bosses
it's just a matter of picking feats that cater to your weaknesses
floral solstice
why are you assuming things man
he loves talking about theoreticals that no one asked in the first place.
like our short convo earlier lmao
echo turtle
if your plan is to run and turtle by block stafger locking until your team saves you, KD isn’t necessary sure
spice veldt
so for me, as a specific individual person and playstyle, KD is not too useful except on assassination missions
echo turtle
KD is extremely useful in close combat, it’s a second stamina pool essentially. If you spend time fighting and not taking it you are underperforming in close combat massively.
The return on the alternatives is pretty small
wet belfry
so for me, as a specific individual person and playstyle, KD is not too useful e...
What do you actually run?
spice veldt
Kinetic Shield
I already have high uptime on my Toughness with quietude, so I might as well run it
and I don't get much use out of KD except not getting guardbroken, which is more or less a skill issue
echo turtle
not needing to worry about gaurd breaks less you fight a lot more aggressively, Worth 15% toughness dr
also, reviving in hordes etc
spice veldt
i already fight without worrying about guardbreak since I dive into hordes recklessly
and I always run the trauma staff to clear enemies for revives
so that stuff is already covered by other parts of my build
echo turtle
*can’t dive into hordes recklessly
summer prairie
taking toughness damage is also more or less a skill issue am i right
spice veldt
:(
devout sentinel
I also don't run kinetic deflection
Psychopath
spice veldt
ye
it's not too bad with slaughterer
and good stat rolls, since it has a wide damage variability depending on the rolls
devout sentinel
not a topic at all. it is playable but your choice of fs,shield , though is rly weird or like mentioned above you are lacking confidence or exp in class. which i dont mean it a mean way
echo turtle
That makes sense then
spice veldt
i just stick to a very specific playstyle
where I don't like being in cover at all
if possible, I want to be in open space
echo turtle
Well, thats not great positioning
echo turtle
thats a skill issue
devout sentinel
well you are the person who want to pick the mage but you were born a tank .
spice veldt
but I like using melee so I just want to run at enemies all the time
spice veldt
nah
echo turtle
odd
spice veldt
KD doesn't help much against ranged
devout sentinel
wild guess do you play damnation at all ? @spice veldt
devout sentinel
public mainly ?
spice veldt
mhm
devout sentinel
i see
echo turtle
on damnation all the DR in the world aint keeping you alive when a scab shooter lights you up
spice veldt
it helps though
echo turtle
its only giving like 20% most of the time
devout sentinel
I keep it that way . There are also ppl asuming boltgun is just as playable as XII and can be used for the same job. Those ppl play public solo only and do not have the awareness ingame how much the team is babysitting lil jonnys ammo grafic
spice veldt
i'd say I'm carrying some of my weight
devout sentinel
And thats your playstyle with thoughness facetank forcesword. It is fine . it is your playstyle . it is not helping tho
echo turtle
Vets can do that but onky cuz they hve 75% DR and double our toughness
spice veldt
i could play more optimally, but that's what I prefer and I don't think my playstyle is too much of a detriment besides straight up mistakes like running into ranged enemies
devout sentinel
Yep im like not against new styles or ppl trying to get ouf of the box. But dont try to be a tank when you are limited to being a mage. Subclasses do extend that later on
devout sentinel
Did you go into damnation and find a single shooter (scap or drag) and let him shoot you with your 166(max) thoughness and with 100 base ?
spice veldt
haven't experimentally tested
but mathematically, 33% reduc translates into a 49% effective increase in toughness
and 10% translates to an 11% increase
devout sentinel
I got 17+5s lemme search a shooter
33% on 80% perril if i remember correct . limits you in gameplay
echo turtle
its 10-33% depending on peril
so usually much lower
with 3 toughness curios and tht feat your toughness is still worse than a vet with no bonuses at all
spice veldt
yeah
but it's better than nothing
even at 150 toughness at 0% peril, it's as if I had taken another +15% toughness curio
gloomy gulch
So uh I have deflector and 56% block efficiency now. Feels pretty great not going to lie.
summer prairie
A single +3 stamina curio on a FS is effectively 50% block efficiency
plus the extra stamina for blocking if you hit 97
wet belfry
Im honestly though abit confused what everyones obsession is with deflector.
spice veldt
cuz it's cool
wet belfry
Like if your deflecting your not killing things?
gloomy gulch
I'm just walking up to reapers blocking
wet belfry
And the ogryns shield will block everything way more efficently?
gloomy gulch
And then stabby
wet belfry
Even then the ogryns shield by now is usally agreed on to not be an efficent choice.
spice veldt
yeah
it's one of the reasons why i don't use kinetic deflection
but i did used to use it more often early on
wet belfry
Oh i defintely think kinetic deflection is the best one in the tier its in.
spice veldt
as i played more, I just learned to use my staff primary and whatnot to deal with situations that I used to use deflector for
it's certainly up there in terms of impactful feats
wet belfry
Your 33% toughness dr vs ranged wont do a single thing when one or two scab shooters is already enough to delete your base toughness without the feat.
spice veldt
it helps a little
I just don't find myself in situations where I need KD because I have the trauma staff as my emergency weapon
except on assassination missions
wet belfry
Yes but it highlights a problem already with the gameplay loop as a psyker, where your taking gunfire.
spice veldt
mhm
spice veldt
but that's a willfull choice of my playstyle
I don't like dodge sliding with melee since I usually attempt to DPS check groups of ranged enemies
or pray that they're not too far spread apart to light me up
wet belfry
I rarely try to melee shooters at all as the psyker unless theres barely any of them or they are extremely close.
spice veldt
here's an example of my playstyle going wrong
https://youtu.be/TKNU5hosut0?t=630
devout sentinel
did you try play zealot
spice veldt
i have, but I don't like his weapons
devout sentinel
lul
spice veldt
i like the force sword's attack chain
i also just like the flexibility of brain burst and not having to worry about ammo
echo turtle
Zealot with flamer and evis is basically a psyker with fs and purge but they traded BB to have way better weapons and way more durability
gleaming comet
did you try play zealot
I have also played Zealot quite extensively, and this is close at least to how I play my Psyker so far, though I still need to actually get comfortable enough with the kit to progress to Heresy
But I'm quickly approaching the point where Malice offers 0 challenge, so it'll be very soon
echo turtle
^ I just assume everyone’s playing Damnation when I spout off about how XY or Z is a waste
devout sentinel
sweet malice :p
full though 166 , full hp 267
base though 100 , 150 hp
Scap Shooter 1 Shot downed by 100 Though (without reduction) (2 shots with reduction (9though left~~))
Dreg Stalker (2 Salves downed by 166 Though)
playing knife+anystaff but i dont zoom into rangeds and grief my vet or team when i can just unload my ascending and kill them all or zap them to death etc pp
spice veldt
dreg stalkers can take only a single salvo to go through 150 toughness
echo turtle
Senhi, I rock full health
Whats your opinion on health v Tough?
mortal harness
Is this the correct channel to ask for help regarding a Psyker penance?
echo turtle
dreg stalkers can take only a single salvo to go through 150 toughness
Yeah which is why I rate toughness DR so poorly
devout sentinel
i rock full health all classes also because we play grims on damnation
so i have grim resist hp curios
gleaming comet
^ I just assume everyone’s playing Damnation when I spout off about how XY or Z ...
I eventually plan to go to Damnation with all my classes, I've done some on my Zealot, but I'm definitely not doing it while I'm still getting used to the gameplay loop and am acquiring leveling gear on my Psyker lol
uneven drift
Something wasted in PvE game only if it doesn't working. Other than that -- who cares
spice veldt
part of the reason why I don't like running health is because I generally dislike gating mechanics like the ranged dmg reduction mechanic on shield break, so I try to avoid relying on mechanics like that
devout sentinel
thoughness dr +hp = op
but A) we dont have DR curio perks yet (even tho available in data) and B) even tho though does refill you could just skip that part with better positioning
echo turtle
part of the reason why I don't like running health is because I generally dislik...
you take up to 4x damage from shooting on toughness as you di health. With the classes tiny pool it makes more sense to gi health
spice veldt
i played like that for 300 hours and got bored of it, so I'm in that phase of playing like a monkey until I get bored of that
echo turtle
good positioning allows you to dodge out of shooting to get the toughness back up.
devout sentinel
well i have fun in difficulty like damn+highintense+grim and thats the highest available atm . i dont want to cripple myself with bad/inefficient builds to have a challenge but thats me
spice veldt
hi-intensity isn't always up, and it might also not be on a particularly difficult map
echo turtle
do what gives you joy
uneven drift
And now we get to the point where actually everything of this is matter of preference.
spice veldt
and teammates will probably flame you if you pick up grims
uneven drift
And trying to convince people your taste is better, well, good luck.
devout sentinel
And now we get to the point where actually everything of this is matter of pref...
ofc
echo turtle
my preference is not to get downed though
which limits severly the builds
if playing on Damnation
spice veldt
brain burst + melee is usually enough to carry you through games, so everything else is a flex slot
devout sentinel
resources are limited , time played per round is avg long , i dont want to go for "maybe this run will be a W"
spice veldt
yeah; I'm going to stick to solo privates once that gets released
echo turtle
Solo private wont be viable past malice due to how shit bots are
devout sentinel
start privat with a buddy. let him leave in preload screen . voila solo exp . doing my solo damnation practice that way
echo turtle
Whats the draw on solo here?
spice veldt
so i can run my builds without griefing my teammates?
echo turtle
clutch practice?
echo turtle
Makice and heresy even you can run anything and do fine
devout sentinel
clutch practice?
prestige it's for me.
devout sentinel
so if I play solo, all the kills get fed to me
lol the kda hunter i see ;D
devout sentinel
XDDDD
spice veldt
but true solo does give you practice against disablers i guess
stack +wounds curios on bots and call it a day
echo turtle
Honestly, sometimes bots are better than the players I pair with
devout sentinel
but true solo does give you practice against disablers i guess
that you need to have as a starting condition already. you cant dodge / push / slide well . goodbye
echo turtle
I watched someone drop to a handful of poxwalkers like, 3 times in a match
spice veldt
bots can at least kite plague ogryns
i had 2 purg psykers that kept dropping on Hab Dreyko
spice veldt
people's inability to melee really gimps them in claustrophobic maps like dreyko
spice veldt
hmm yeah, but dreyko has a few more corners and whatnot, and those sorts of people are usually only careful about things that they can see with their eyes
void mural
Yeah, darktide bots make me wish for V2 modded bot ai
Those were better than a lot of players
clear heath
even unmodded vermintide 2 bots were better than darktide bots
void mural
Ha, true
I will say that datktide bots are decent at aiming, just they suck at target acquisition and priority
But tbh, V2 bots were good at aiming too and better at choosing the right targets
golden tartan
I will say that datktide bots are decent at aiming, just they suck at target acq...
Also in deciding when to save player vs when to preserve self
Also when to fucking HEAL
void mural
For real
gleaming comet
I wish I could bring my fully dripped out Zealot as a bot when I'm playing my Psyker lmao
void mural
Also, they won't pick up scripts, which is stupid
They had that functionality in V2... why not just port it to darktide?
gleaming comet
void mural
That's also true, why the heck didn't they bring the equipped bots from V2?
golden tartan
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At 1 hp and all players full health, 1 medicae station charge avail. "Nah im fine."
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At full health but with some corruption from grimoire at a 4 charge medicae station with players critically low. "Imma take all 4 charges in 5 seconds."
void mural
Ha, I've not seen that. That a real thing they are programmed to do?
golden tartan
Yea they will suck dry a medicae station if you have grimoires
golden tartan
Btw playing with bots actively makes the game harder
Cos the game treats the bot as an active player so number of spawns go up
And they are not effective at all
And its not like if you go down a bot can pick you up
lol
Oh also bots do trigger daemonhosts
patent steeple
which one is generally better: Mind in Motion or Peril Blocking?
golden tartan
which one is generally better: Mind in Motion or Peril Blocking?
Depends on your build
But generally Peril Blocking
patent steeple
Depends on your build
i use a non-perfect roll purge with chainsword alongside a +2 stamina curio because i have no better options to replace the said curio...
tawny swallow
is warp battery more valid with the WC changes or is flayer still preferred?
lethal folio
They are both useful.
safe crystal
is warp battery more valid with the WC changes or is flayer still preferred?
You dont hit any other new breakpoints on damnation other than 2 shotting bulwarks with BB with 3 charges. You'd mainly run 6 charges if you also run inner tranquility on 2nd row to max out on warp resist, and ascended blaze for deleting hordes with 6 stacks
golden tartan
i use a non-perfect roll purge with chainsword alongside a +2 stamina curio beca...
Then yes Peril Blocking.
If you are running a non force melee
safe crystal
Flayer is good on most staves, but warp battery outperforms it on purgatus builds usually
echo turtle
which one is generally better: Mind in Motion or Peril Blocking?
KD gives you a second stamina bar that allows you to block push attack endlessly and never get gaurd broken. mind removes a speed debuff when quelling, which should be infrequent.
Up to you whether being extremely strong in close combat is more important than a small QoL boost
echo turtle
Flayer is good on most staves, but warp battery outperforms it on purgatus build...
I would argue flayer is better when using kinetic barrage and WC is optimal when running ascendant blaze, Neither necessarily are paired to a particular staff. I would run either with any weapon, though blaze does have great synergy with the purgatus
safe crystal
True. I probably would run AB with flayer if i was using, say, trauma for example, so i could get charges faster, but this would be if the team has no vet in it, which is rare on its own
Otherwise i would just go kinetic barrage with flayer on whatever im using thats not purg, but thats just me
echo turtle
If ur playing Damnation AB needs Warp battery or its kind of useless
tawny swallow
You dont hit any other new breakpoints on damnation other than 2 shotting bulwar...
oops I’ve always had inner tranquility lol I’ll try 6 WC now sure
void mural
is warp battery more valid with the WC changes or is flayer still preferred?
I like warp battery for difficulty 4 bulwarks and IT warp resistance
Wait... does peril resistance affect kinetic deflection?
echo turtle
Pretty sure it does
fierce sinew
pretty sure it's just Attack Stamina Damage * 0.25 / Max Stamina
peril resist isn't involved, stamina is
echo turtle
word i stand corrected
spice veldt
I think somebody made a post on the forums talking about warp res not affecting KD and they slapped an Acknowledged tag on the post
echo turtle
I would still take IT and KD in any case. Peril resist translates to less downtime, which will result in better dps than the variable damage bonus IMO
fierce sinew
you 100% still take both feats
echo turtle
There is not a single build where I don’t take both anymore
fierce sinew
same
echo turtle
I also recently switched to the 30% regen on wc gain. I am finding it much better than Quietitude, except for maybe on a surge staff where lightning spam is causing you to quell a lot
fierce sinew
Those two are build/context dependent yeah
Essence harvest gets better relatively speaking if you're using communion, AB etc
and playing on 5
echo turtle
I use essence with neither communion or ab
my uptime is near constant with just flayer and using BB
If you arent using BB a lot it doesn’t work
fierce sinew
Using flayer at all post patch is a big weirdge from me personally
tawny swallow
i use flayer since if i focus too much on warp charges i start playing worse so i can just do whatever
fierce sinew
the damage has always been booty buttcheeks dog water, the thing flayer did before was help you upkeep warp charges
tawny swallow
also prodding an enemy and having them explode is always fun
echo turtle
Psykinetic aura (CDR), Kinetic Barrage, Flayer chefs kiss
fierce sinew
patch made that trivial = flayer removed from my game
echo turtle
the damage is a brain burst
thats uh, real good
confusing it with somethging else?
tawny swallow
its nice when stun locking shit down with the surge
fierce sinew
1 brain burst every 15 seconds is not very much compared to the 8% flat bonus to everything you do that you give up to gain access to it
in pure damage terms flayer is less than overload, which still hardly gets used
echo turtle
8% is 0% when you 1 hit your targets
where as if you are chaining brain bursts and it triggers saving you a 2 second cast
thats a 10% dps increase for a 20 second window
fierce sinew
unless you play on malice you aren't 1 hitting things that matter, and it's not like you get to pick the proc anyway
it's low damage randomly applied
like the mobs you free roll with a flayer proc were going to die to your staff/axe/etc regardless
summer prairie
Without flayer or AB, you generally don't spend most of your time at 6 charges or if you do, you are probably being a bit inefficient since you are BBing something every 25 seconds
echo turtle
8% damage and 12% peril resist is great, But I really like flayer popping on spelites and the extra WC generation means more consistent regen which matters a lot if running 30% on charge gain
fierce sinew
if you got a ui notification that your next hit would proc, or the CD was 3 seconds, maybe worth
summer prairie
so it's hardly constant 8% damage over 4 + flayer
echo turtle
Without flayer or AB, you generally don't spend most of your time at 6 charges o...
I BB constantly, BB is excellent
fierce sinew
it's extra damage and extra uptime from peril resist
echo turtle
at the cost of 3-4 free brain bursts per minute and the warp charge generation that comes with it
it also makes 30% regen viable, whicg means more uptime not having to quell for regen etc
so its guve and take
fierce sinew
Essence harvest is just fine with AB and/or communion I think
in terms of charge generation AB absolutely dumpsters flayer
echo turtle
yeah, if running AB and purgatus sure
if you aren’t running that. Team wide cooldown reduction with kinetic barrage is magnificent
fierce sinew
AB without purg still does honestly
fierce sinew
not as consistently as with purg clearly
echo turtle
yeah not even close, you would then want communion
fierce sinew
but you still free roll shouting at groups
echo turtle
which means giving up psykinetic aura, which I think is a big blow to thw team
fierce sinew
if you're barraging you're also upkeeping 6 charges 100% though
near wyvern
Communion doesn't even trigger that often. Flayer is much more reliable charges than communion.
fierce sinew
that's really the thing, there's nothing in the game at the top end right now that makes you want to use the other level 30 feat
AB and barrage both play nice with battery now
near wyvern
I tried a quickening quietitude with trauma. It kinda works but AB and KB are still miles ahead.
long wharf
ew, trauma
fierce sinew
if there was some other feat that made the shout do 500 damage per warp charge spent or something, so that you wanted to be firing off 3-4 charge shouts as rapidly as possible
then flayer is useful again
long wharf
this discord needs a reaction that's the trauma blast area circle with the pukey face over it
near wyvern
Quickening should let the ult to clear all peril in addition to the faster recharge per warp charge.
near wyvern
ew, trauma
Don't trash on my limping boi
long wharf
it already does dummy damage - 21 to everything not completely within the target circle
and throws them 40 feet
near wyvern
if there was some other feat that made the shout do 500 damage per warp charge s...
Paycinetic aura + purge + flayer + AB is quite a neat combo.
spice veldt
don't use it as your main hordeclear and you're good
safe crystal
If they made at least the 80% damage trauma oneshot poxwalkers inside the center blast zone on damnation, it would be a lot better
fierce sinew
I mean if it just one shot everything in the bubble and was really peril inefficient, to the point that quickening as a peril management feat was worth it
near wyvern
it already does dummy damage - 21 to everything not completely within the target...
I am looking for a warp nexus blazing spirit trauma but holy F haven't seen a nexus one in a shop for two weeks.
summer prairie
It oneshots with 2 stacks or +infested/horde, that's hardly the issue
spice veldt
and/or with decent peril with Wrath
safe crystal
Oh,right, new changes. Im still on the old mindset of never having charges
fierce sinew
I mean one shot bulwarks, actual juiced
echo turtle
if you're barraging you're also upkeeping 6 charges 100% though
I find that the flayer procs in spelites quite often, and muties when they come after my ass.
That and the conistent regen makes me rate it higher. It’s significantly more usefull in melee where as +8% damage just doesn’t make a huge difference. If that 8% changes the amount of attacks required to drop something it would be more open to it
long wharf
I am looking for a warp nexus blazing spirit trauma but holy F haven't seen a ne...
but why?
gleaming comet
not sure about copium, but Trauma is fun
echo turtle
atm the time to kill is unchanged. 1 melee strike = 1 kill on chaff, and strikes to kill on spelites in influenced more by crits proccing
long wharf
trauma doesn't crit enough for that to be worthwhile
fierce sinew
not sure about copium, but Trauma *is* fun
this is currently the niche
near wyvern
Only if trauma would be reliable CC but it's not. Bukwarks & crushers have longer stagger immunity than their stumbling animation so GL trying to figure when you can stagger them again
long wharf
and Blazing Spirit will only stack 1 or 2 soulblaze stacks, instead of the double-on-crit it used to
gleaming comet
also managed to get that blessing that reduces the charge time for chained secondary fire on a Trauma, seems REALLY good
fierce sinew
trauma is currently the "bad but I'm having fun bro you see the gib effects"
gleaming comet
fuckin' artillery emplacement lmao
long wharf
I've said it before, and I'll say it again - trauma ought to inflict soulblaze and leave a patch of warpfire on the ground
gleaming comet
kinda like Coruscation then?
spice veldt
not for trauma but maybe as another staff from the flame family
near wyvern
but why?
Trauma does quite a large AOE so I wanna see if blazing nexus makes it worth it to run warp battery + AB
Math wise it's not that great tho
Even with let's say 20% crit chance it means you have 2% chance per mob to get a warp charge, so essentially it should be weaker than communion
long wharf
we'd need a way to increase crit chance significantly
fierce sinew
you'd need a pretty interesting analysis of "worth" to convince anyone that purge isn't better in that setup
long wharf
it's not even about "better", just "novel"
fierce sinew
novel it is
near wyvern
you'd need a pretty interesting analysis of "worth" to convince anyone that purg...
If you have ever had 3 bulwakrs and 2 crushers walk in after an elevator you know what trauma can do and purge can't
fierce sinew
that's just not the first thing that comes to my mind when I read "worth"
long wharf
with how easy it is for us to maintain warp charges now, I'm not sure stacking a bunch of benefits per-warp-charge is a good idea mechanically for psyker
that said, I don't understand why only surge staff has an increased crit chance
fierce sinew
I think it's fine as long as they give us benefits for spending them too
long wharf
oh for sure, psyker is definitely in a place now where spending warp charges for big effect can be a good mechanic
gleaming comet
so glad they changed how warp charges fall off, that one change REALLY boosted the class imo
no more "oops I have to build from 0" coming out of an elevator sequence lmao
fierce sinew
no more memorizing spawn points to AB shout through the elevator wall when your charges are about to fall off
gleaming comet
that and Warp Charges giving more damage is also really nice
frank talon
Does Kinetic Flayer fuck with the monstrosity penace or is it safe to use?
void mural
I really think that the devs need to decide which special enemy types they want killable by how many casts of BB, and balance the damage of BB per difficulty around that while taking into consideration the warp charge damage increase.
So say they want BB to 1 shot all specials at difficulty 3 with no warp charges.
Then they want BB to 1 shot all non-mutant specials at difficulty 4, but require 4 warp charges to reach all the breakpoints. Maybe even make mutants require 6 warp charges to 1 shot with BB or something.
Then difficulty 5 they should decide which specials should require 1/2 BB to kill and balance BB damage around that.
west zealot
New to psyker, what would be a good second perk to roll? And when rebless comes out, what should I replace barage with?
frank talon
Maybe a stronger terrifying barrage
west zealot
ok great, thank you.
frank talon
Wait 385 I didnt know that was possible
long wharf
New to psyker, what would be a good second perk to roll? And when rebless comes ...
second perk needs to be crit chance
west zealot
I think its bugged, should be 380
long wharf
swap terrifying barrage for warp nexus
long wharf
Wait 385 I didnt know that was possible
add up the numbers, it isn't 385
frank talon
Is bugged I just checked the good ol' calc
That staff is worth keeping just for that bug
long wharf
also, warp flurry hasn't been fixed yet for purge staff
so you aren't going to see more than 10% faster charge time
west zealot
ah really
lethal folio
t4 blessings add 5
frank talon
When it is fixed, it would be a good blessing, no?
long wharf
warp nexus is also still functionally broken
west zealot
well, I guess it'll be nice when it does get fixed, thnak you guys for the suggestions
near wyvern
Hadron is as good in maths as with rolling blessings and perks
fierce sinew
can't wait to roll my saved blessing over and over until I get the tier 4 version
long wharf
have they said we'll get to reroll blessings?
I thought we were only going to strip a blessing off a weapon (destroying the weapon) and then have that blessing to apply freely onto any other weapon we want
void mural
They said you unlock it to slot it, they didn't specify about rarity
leaden thunder
that's what was assumed
fierce sinew
they've said we'll get to save them and have permanent access to them, without mentioning tiers at all
void mural
Yeah
long wharf
I bet what we get to put on a weapon will be limited to the blessing+rarity we've stripped
leaden thunder
there is almost no way they don't make it save the iers
long wharf
yeah
leaden thunder
it's just pointless to not do it
but idk
it has to be on the same type of weapon
fierce sinew
if you told me the current perk reroll system would work the way it does I would have said that's pointless too
leaden thunder
so you can take something of a combat axe and put it on a different type of combat axe
long wharf
yep
leaden thunder
but not off a tactical axe to a combat axe
long wharf
this perk rerolling nonsense needs to be gotten rid of
void mural
For real
long wharf
just charge me a one-time fee to freely pick the perk I want in one slot
fierce sinew
leaden thunder
I can undertande the blessings a bit, but perks are boring as fuck
and I do not care about them
but I have to use them
void mural
Just give us back the V2 weapon mechanics. At least those were usable if still annoying to reroll
fierce sinew
when players are making and using external tools to avoid the clicker game that a core progression system reduces to
that system needs a look
void mural
Wait, is that a real thing?
fierce sinew
yes
void mural
Gimme
long wharf
Json wrote it, I believe?
fierce sinew
it's in this channel somewhere
long wharf
when Darktide is fun to play again, I'll probably use that tool if we still have to reroll perks
fierce sinew
void mural
Thank you!
fierce sinew
but yeah the point being the fact that this exists = I'm not as confident as some people are that we're saving blessings by individual tiers
hope I'm wrong
void mural
Yeah, I always hope for better, but I'm not expecting much when it comes to what we started with being such a shitshow
And yeah, when you make a system that requires players to make tools to use it, you fucked up
long wharf
well
Darktide is no Elite Dangerous in complexity
if you want to see a community that lives around its 3rd party tools
leaden thunder
tools to make it less monotonous
long wharf
but that particular tool (gocrclicker) is definitely a symptom of poor design
slow karma
Again with the item editor talk
There's no point in these things being loot
LIke none. The whole system is lost on this crowd
long wharf
what items?
leaden thunder
if you can keep fucking clicking and that's all you have to do
void mural
if you want to see a community that lives around its 3rd party tools
Nah, there's tools to provide additional information or functionality. This one is just straight making a tool to do something in your stead, which is bad if your game requires that so people don't fall asleep trying it
long wharf
don't bother listening to Voidbearer about itemization, he wants everyone to play WoW and be motivated by 0.001% drop rates
he fundamentally doesn't understand the *tide communities
slow karma
That's pretty far from what I want
Also fuck WoW, that game's itemization is trash
And also very not what this game, or any thing outside of MMOs is nor should be
I get it, I'm not the same kind of player in these games as most of you.
leaden thunder
like keep the random stats sure, keep one blessing locked as long as you can upgrade it that's fine, but perk are boring as fuck and as of now you can just spam click to get what you want after a certain amount with 0 other input
slow karma
But what you want here is not what I'd consider good for the longevity of the game as a whole
long wharf
I don't like the idea of having a blessing locked that I can't even upgrade
slow karma
And I don't like the idea of rerolling one weapon forever until I never need another one
long wharf
But what you want here is not what I'd consider good for the longevity of the ga...
that's because what you consider good for the longevity of the game has nothing to do with the actual longevity of the game
people play *tide games for the in-mission experience
not gear chasing
leaden thunder
like hell even keep it the same way as it is where you ahve to unlock it by finding it in on a nother weapon
just as long as you can upgrade it
slow karma
Well that's clearly part of what this game is going to be
leaden thunder
that's good enough
long wharf
Well that's clearly part of what this game is going to be
it's certainly what FartShart thinks, and that's what pisses people off
leaden thunder
there is a big difference between what the original plan for this game was
and what is gonna happen now
slow karma
because it's a live service. and I'm operating on the assumption that you basically have to put a system like that in to keep people playing as long as possible
long wharf
it's not at all what the Vermintide games were
leaden thunder
what will keep my playing
slow karma
Well this isn't fucking vermintide
leaden thunder
is being able to try out builds
slow karma
Now is it.
long wharf
FartShart can't handle real live service
leaden thunder
and new subclasses being released
void mural
IMO, my favorite iteration was vermintide 1's weapons after the updates to help loot rolls. The weapons just worked and there was no fiddly business. Rarer weapons were just better.
I didn't mind V2's crafting, though I thought that hero power was a dumb mechanic
long wharf
they can't even handle releasing a game
slow karma
Well they have to, because they made that bed and now they have to lie in it
long wharf
nah, they can throw that bed out pretty easily
slow karma
I'm not saying it'll succeed, I think that choice was weird and fucked too frankly
leaden thunder
lets make a distinction here
long wharf
the hardest part of Darktide to get right, they already did - the gameplay feel
slow karma
Lmao, sure, lets just reroute the entire course of the game instantly and write off that massive investment
Christ
long wharf
... you really don't understand game design nor software development
slow karma
I'm sorry but do you really think they can just "unliveservice" this game?
leaden thunder
I think
long wharf
yes, because it's not live service yet
void mural
Just give us systems to actually incrementally improve our weapons instead of random chance roll bs
leaden thunder
if they start actually making it live serve
slow karma
you LITERALLY cannot play it without the internet
long wharf
that's not the definition of "live service"
slow karma
You cannot access any part of this game without their servers being online
long wharf
you might want to do some research
void mural
They can still use the base they have if they just let us actually improve our weapons
slow karma
If you cannot play the game without the service being live, it's a live service.
Show me the offline mode and we'll talk
leaden thunder
like the crafting system they are gonna put in is a massive step in the right direction don't get me wrong, but hopefully it's just the start
slow karma
show me the lack of a fucking idle kicker, and we'll talk
long wharf
"live service" is more than "requires playing on company's servers"
slow karma
No, it's not. That's the bare minimum you need to be a live service.
long wharf
no, it's a prerequisite for being a live service
slow karma
Same difference.
long wharf
there are plenty of games that are/were online-only and not live service
long wharf
Same difference.
this tells me you have no intention of actually discussing and thinking, so good day, sir.
slow karma
You're trying to be smart about a situation you really think you have any more insight in than the rest of us
Fine, forget it.
long wharf
"rest of us"? no, just you
slow karma
General is just terrible but this is insufferable
long wharf
must be terrible suffering on your part, being unable to apply thought to an argument
slow karma
If you get your free item progression, cool. Count the days before he playerbase quits enough to let the game shut down.
void mural
Nah, live service is a particular genre of actively getting content and updates in an incremental fashion of small doses.
They've obviously tried to push darktide towards the live service genre, but it just doesn't really work with tide games
slow karma
No it doesn't work with Fatshark
long wharf
it actually could, FartShart is the problem
void mural
Sure I guess
long wharf
they're bad at fundamental game design
slow karma
but they dropped so many balls, you'd think they were at basketball practice
long wharf
art and sound team are on point
void mural
They're bad at everything surrounding the gameplay loop
slow karma
Exactly
long wharf
I'm convinced at this point that the gameplay loop exists out of sheer accident
void mural
Haha
It really reminds me of DE and warframe. Their art team hard carries everyone else's ass. Their balance, design, and overall direction teams don't know what they're doing
slow karma
DE gets a pass because the whole project was a hail mary they weren't sure was going to work at all.
long wharf
I mean, that stuff you can iterate on
don't need a "direction" when the goal is to "put cool looking shit out there for players to buy"
slow karma
They were just sandboxing it the whole time trying to keep their legs underneath themselves and keep the game alive
Yeah, undeniably a mess, but the whole game was a massive learning process for them
I'm curious to see how Soulframe pans out from these lessons they've learned
sly matrix
As a Psyker, how do I deal with shooters? / gunners
(If they're far away and in a group)
safe crystal
As a Psyker, how do I deal with shooters? / gunners
Depends on a lot of variables. Weapon used, how many of them, what the rest of your team is doing etc
sly matrix
Depends on a lot of variables. Weapon used, how many of them, what the rest of y...
imagine the rest of my team is dead
I use either surge or purgatus