plucky perch
well im glad trumnas my favorites
#psyker-class
digital loom
opal sluice
Hello to all my siblings out there!
PSA: You CAN block snipers with the Deflector blessing. All you have to do is disable the trait Kinetic Deflection.
Catfish messaged me back and pushed my bug report along to the devs and it is now officially acknowledged as a bug.
half iron
i love those collars
whole wharf
I'm pretty sure I had rending shockwave on a voidstrike at one point. But I could also be misremembering things too, haven't seen it as often outside of that one time though so maybe it wasn't intentional?
split solstice
It stops him from biting at the stitches
primal fjord
Does anyone know how Bloodthirsty works? Not sure if it's trash, rolling it on Force Sword. 🤔
rocky cedar
Isn't that crit on special kill?
If so it gives you 5 seconds of guaranteed crits after special kill
At least that's what I was told, never seen it myself
cyan notch
yes
manic halo
thats sexy
near wyvern
Don't celebrate yet, you need brutal momentum on that first
And no limbsplitter, it absolutely destroys a mk VIII
grizzled jasper
slow karma
Hey, you can at least hold on to it even if it rolls limbsplitter
We're getting crafting Soon™️ so I'd be all kinds of excited
I still have that 380 surge staff I'm sorta sitting on
near gale
Bromentum antox does pretty good for horde clear.
near gale
It's kind of funny when I have to dive just to help my teammates that are getting swarmed by poxwalkers.
noble zenith
god emperor, finally enjoining playing with warp battery after this patch... so much 🙏
waxen latch
tips for Going out with a Bang ?
dull remnant
tips for Going out with a Bang ?
i did it in a private lobby with ogryn friend. i think it was hi-intensity, then we gathered some specials and i killed myself. wasnt easy and almost failed
leaden thunder
doesn't warp flurry like not work right or something too?
shrewd grove
yeah its fucked on the trauma staff
leaden thunder
-50% charge speed sounds really good in theory
I feel like that's the staff i'd want it on most
other then like all of them becuase staffs have mostly pretty bad blessings
strange wigeon
tips for Going out with a Bang ?
commsplex malice. After the hacking event when you press the elevator button there will either be a shotgunner or gunner spawn on the stairs from where you came into the room. Ask your team at the start of the level to not shoot the elites that will be around you at this point. Hold rightclick brainburts so your'e at 100% peril then switch to staff and leftclick
explode on the elites
gg
ancient ivy
Here is my unlock of it using that location. Got an extra to boot.
pine relic
sad. I wish I could trade Shred with the head taker.
ancient ivy
sad. I wish I could trade Shred with the head taker.
isnt brutal momentum best in slot though?
pine relic
It is, Shred is rather useless.
ancient ivy
unless zealot I guess. Well thats fine then, just swap shred when the update hits np
pine relic
my zealot got it, I sent it to the wrong channel.
ancient ivy
my zealot got it, I sent it to the wrong channel.
oh well shred is good for the zealot crit build. Real good.
pine relic
oh well shred is good for the zealot crit build. Real good.
Yeah, I actually don't know which one is better, head taker or shred. but I guess it's fine.
ancient ivy
Yeah, I actually don't know which one is better, head taker or shred. but I gues...
On zealot its gotta be shred. You take the crit synergies and its awesome. Roll away unyielding for flak and thats golden. easy 40% crit chance.
mossy bobcat
any tips to make voidstrike work? I just can't see it better than purgatus or surge and I want to like it
leaden thunder
the explosion part is meh, use it like a rail gun to blast holes at head heigh in hoards
pine relic
On zealot its gotta be shred. You take the crit synergies and its awesome. Roll ...
Ok. but it's not like I can change the blessing though lol.
leaden thunder
tm
pine relic
So soon? what a surprise
leaden thunder
(it may or may not actually be next week)
I don't think they set a date
other then next patch
mossy bobcat
yeah... they didn't say any date, only "next patch" so we assume it's next week thanks to the last couple patches being weekly
but since that one should be beefy... I wouldn't guarrantee next week (tm)
proper elbow
sad. I wish I could trade Shred with the head taker.
This is an aboslute chonker though, and on a zealot with bleed build shred is infinitely better than headtaker for a MK 7 taxe
proper elbow
sad. I wish I could trade Shred with the head taker.
This is basically a literal god roll for zealot. Possibly the best weapon I've ever seen. Hard to tell if you're having a jolly and posting it in ignorance for laughs. Like "hey y'all check out this rusty used sword I got" then pullin out fuckin excalibur
brazen rose
im pissed with the character creation
thought to have done a good character but it's saying weird stuff about a beloved one
and slaying the emperor
it's creeping me out
feral topaz
@idle bay got help to clear out the frustrating penances, now its just a matter of time for the cowl
idle bay
<@189647817147416576> got help to clear out the frustrating penances, now its ju...
So Bang is done, and pick and mix left ? 🙂
pine relic
This is basically a literal god roll for zealot. Possibly the best weapon I've e...
I played a lot of zealot but didn't get any good axe, so I'm not familiar with the tactical axe, most of the time I just use the knife.
feral topaz
So Bang is done, and pick and mix left ? 🙂
I got everything done except all 7 on heresy + and 100 missions.
pine relic
thought to have done a good character but it's saying weird stuff about a belove...
People on the internet keep having this theory the beloved one is a shard of the Emporer, I don't know how that works though.
idle bay
I got everything done except all 7 on heresy + and 100 missions.
Ah now you can just play the game normally to get the things 🙂
feral topaz
Ah now you can just play the game normally to get the things 🙂
Yes...I shall retire into a mountain cave to recover from the numerous sudoku attempts made today.
Seriously, it was a pain in the ass
pine relic
But I just believe it is a daemon, the Emporer seems more like a cold heart robot right now, it does not fit.
proper elbow
I played a lot of zealot but didn't get any good axe, so I'm not familiar with t...
Since the tactical axe has sliders for Crit, Finesse, and Damage, having high values in all 3 of those lets you get very stupid high DPS. It also gives you a base crit chance of about 15% even before shred or Bloodletting increase it, making it very easy to live most of your life at the 50% crit cap. Brutal Momentum on a Mark 2 will also mean that you have excellent crowd clear with those strong attacks. The MK2 has some jank to it in that one of the attacks in its auto sequence is bad and you'll want to replace it with pushstab to reset your auto sequence. its like the third or fourth swing. Zealot chat could tell you more. Its an excellent weapon you've got an def worth learning to use.
pine relic
Since the tactical axe has sliders for Crit, Finesse, and Damage, having high va...
I will definitely try it later, thank you for the explanation.
brazen rose
pine relic
rip sweet brute
fresh halo
So Bang is done, and pick and mix left ? 🙂
I cry tears of blood for Bang. I despise it with a passion.
west stream
I still dont have the push one lmao
pick and mix there's a couple good spots specially in Heresy+
Dont give up skeleton
fresh halo
Oh no, I'm done with all the other penances
All but Going Out With A Bang
And I hate it, its smug aura mocks me.
strange wigeon
And I hate it, its smug aura mocks me.
I did not care for that penance
It insists upon itself
fresh halo
I did not care for that penance
I wish I did not have to care for it, but when it's literally the last class-related penance I have, I just want it over with.
flint turtle
The changes to the charge system are so nice
It makes playing psyker a lot more bearable
fresh halo
Agreed. Lovely changes that makes Psyker feel... better.
magic burrow
what changes did they make to the charge system
deft trench
I love when i try to get progress on the absolute garbage pile that is "complete secondary objectives" weekly, and then a psyker with a + wound and no health trinkets takes the last grim, and loses it 2 minutes later, why do these contracts exist, all they do is make me hate pubs more than i already do
daring nexus
Does shred require you hit the same enemy repeatedly or does it persist as long as you are hitting anything
magic burrow
pity
west stream
Is decapitator any good on antax?
clear heath
Ah fuck me
no power cycler
weak
fresh halo
clear heath
congrats on blowing yourself up
fresh halo
congrats on blowing yourself up
It was my last penance.
Thank you, I am proud of being done with something so unfun that made me a burden to my team and made me look like a bellend.
ornate hamlet
grats on knocking out one of the dumbest achiev for cosmetics any game dev company has ever made
you have more patience than me sir
light quail
I feel lucky for getting OWAB on a doomed heresy run
all i need to do now is pick & mix with malleus
pick & mix never wants to unlock for me no matter how many specials I put down with kinetic barrage
always a vet will find a way to cuck me
pine relic
It was my last penance.
That is also my last penance and I don't think I will ever do it.
slow karma
It's fucked up that I know they can never actually change these because so many of you have already beat your head against this wall and there'd be an outrage if any of it were changed.
fresh halo
you have more patience than me sir
I have no patience, I am just stubborn and stupid, which is exactly what is required.
fresh halo
That is also my last penance and I don't think I will ever do it.
Comms-Plex on Malice is your best bet. The room before the one with the interrogator and the elevator spawns 3-4 Shotgunners after the event is triggered. Just wait at the stairs that separate the two rooms while you're at 90% peril, and once they spawn, charge yourself to 100% with your BB charge (charges faster than the sword/staves), run at them then swap to your staff and left-click.
Shotgunners only require the explosion to die, compared to Ragers who need to be softened up before you can kill them with said explosion.
That, or an Ogryn friend you can bother to herd some Ragers with a shield. You'll then need something like the Purgatus staff to damage the Ragers a little and pray your explosion kills them.
@pine relic I wish you all the best in your pursuit of redemption, Sibling.
Seriously, the guy who designed this penance can go right ahead and suck on Nurgle's tits-
pine relic
Comms-Plex on Malice is your best bet. The room before the one with the interrog...
Thank you so much, I'm simply not interested to do it 😂
fresh halo
Seeing how IQ-of-a-brick stupid it is, I completely understand.
pine relic
All the penance that I intentionally did are done in two games, so I just won't spend that much time on penance.
pine relic
Seeing how IQ-of-a-brick stupid it is, I completely understand.
You have the spirit.
fresh halo
I'm a completionist, to some degree.
Depending on how terribly obnoxious or utterly charming a game can be, I'll dedicate some time doing the achievements.
For exemple, PAYDAY 2. Always loved the franchise since the first, I dedicated a long time playing PD2, and I have gathered 1023 out of the now 1314 achievements. After some time, I grew bored and didn't bother with the rest.
Or I 100% completed Death's Door because my love for this game has no bounds. Seriously, if you like Rogue-likes/lites, try Death's Door, it is really charming.
And even if the game is nowhere near optimal, I love Darktide's gameplay and figured "Eh, might aswell complete the penances, there's not that many of them."
So yeah.
Banging my head against a wall hoping to break it with my bare forehead is nothing new to me; still doesn't make the task any less annoying.
To change the subject, is this sword worth upgrading, Siblings ?
light quail
To change the subject, is this sword worth upgrading, Siblings ?
modifiers are good but sprint efficiency needs a reroll
executor is a weird one on FS
iirc heavy charged locks onto weak spots if they're visible to you
run it and see if that's the case
west stream
always a vet will find a way to cuck me
last game man
I had 4, going for last, at 90% charge
fucking blue glow you could see like a beacon in the dark
light quail
"Can't miss, won't miss."
west stream
Veteran finds a way to shoot it while being swarmed in mele
I am convinced a good portion of playerbase literally doesn't know that glow is BB
lilac tapir
Got pick n mix by "accident" while on high intensity heresy, feels good
especially after trying hard and not getting it for like 1 week haha
our veteran was dead, probably that's why haha
light quail
oh shit i just got a nice rolled laspistol
lilac tapir
grats! btw. do we get a special force push while equipping pistols? I think I saw something like this on one of the YT videos but not sure
patent steeple
btw is psychic communion a good/decent feat? i have always used either cerebral laceration or psykinetic aura, but psychic communion could have potential, at least on paper, considering the massive amounts of trash mobs in higher difficulty hordes.
lilac tapir
it was awesome before, since new patch keeping your stacks up is no longer a problem so I would say run aura or CL, depending on what your team needs more
daring nexus
btw is psychic communion a good/decent feat? i have always used either cerebral ...
If you use the toughness on warpcharge feat with it you’ll will become a total tank, but aura is just so good. I think it’s worth having so fun with but it’s not the try hard option
patent steeple
If you use the toughness on warpcharge feat with it you’ll will become a total t...
i mean CL could be useful against ogryn enemies (and especially bosses) as a supportive thing, but yeah i guess aura is best to have for playing with randoms...
lilac tapir
also because randoms tend to scatter and not stick together so when you pick aura or CL (especially aura) is still beneficial to you, while communion depends on coherency a lot
daring nexus
i mean CL could be useful against ogryn enemies (and especially bosses) as a sup...
Not even just randoms. It’s just a huge buff to the whole team. I frequently pop kinetic barrage, kill a few guys, and then realize my ult is already up again. Rinse and repeat
patent steeple
Not even just randoms. It’s just a huge buff to the whole team. I frequently pop...
hmm but what about ascendant blaze? i think it is the only thing that makes psyker ult into an offensive ult, rather than just utility for BB like what kinetic barrage is...
lilac tapir
quick question, does "ventilation purge" global condition also guarantee several Demonhosts during a mission just like the power outage one?
patent steeple
quick question, does "ventilation purge" global condition also guarantee several...
not sure, but i am guessing the answer is no
daring nexus
I find AB to be pretty slow and awkward since it’s not work using unless you have 6 charges but also consumes them so you can’t really spam it. Plus if your using AB you probably are using purge staff to which does does what AB does but better
patent steeple
I find AB to be pretty slow and awkward since it’s not work using unless you hav...
i actually saw someone else in a random match using surge with AB, for some reason.
daring nexus
i actually saw someone else in a random match using surge with AB, for some reas...
Yea that guy was gimping himself
summer prairie
Surge with AB can be pretty good now.
patent steeple
also i have a tendency to instinctively use psyker ult as a panic button if i get swarmed into melee, so i am not sure if kinetic barrage will be worth it for me unless i somehow get rid of my habit of using the ult the way i do...
clear heath
You can still do that with KB
and it's the only option that doesn't wipe your warp charges when you do that
summer prairie
With the aura + KB I just constantly spam ult even when not using it to BB
daring nexus
also i have a tendency to instinctively use psyker ult as a panic button if i ge...
I was doing the exact same thing I used to be greedy with the ult Incase I was about to explode, but when you realize just how fast aura can recharge it ult spam becomes are reflex too
summer prairie
Melee is irrelevant but good against shooters
clear heath
Yeah i ult a lot with aura
patent steeple
You can still do that with KB
and it's the only option that doesn't wipe your wa...
hmm true, but im not sure if me picking KB eventually causes me to never use it because i wanna save it for BB usage...
clear heath
I just don't bother saving it unless i hear a dog and a teammate is standing dangerously far away
cooldown is short enough and i have aura
If i need BB, it'll be up in time anyways
patent steeple
you can probably tell that i tend to imagine the worst case scenario problems first when making decisions like this...
daring nexus
hmm true, but im not sure if me picking KB eventually causes me to never use it ...
Sometimes I even use it just to top off my charges on a pack of scab shooters or something. If you kill even 2 elites in the mean time you’ll have it back before you know it
clear heath
sure but what is your alternative solution? not having it?
having the option to BB faster after F is a positive
patent steeple
yeah, okay you guys have managed to convince me that KB is the best option. you happy?
daring nexus
Yes
clear heath
I'm not trying to say it's better than everything else. Just that it's a good option and that it's still useful for your playstyle
if you wanna go ab i'm not gonna judge or anything
patent steeple
also now that i remember to mention it, fog missions are terrible...
lilac tapir
That's how I see it: If you are playing with a good team and well coordinated with a good vet taking care of most specials etc. then AB is better, especially on high intensity damnation because of hordes (let's assume heresy being the "default" difficulty level for the sake of this argument). But if you are playing with randoms and not sure about your team's ability to deal with tricky groups of elites and sudden specials then KB is better because it allows you to "intervene" more often and more effectively.
but that's just my opinion mostly from experience playing a lot of heresy and some damnation with both crappy groups and highly coordinated ones
bleak wing
The Emperor blessed me :)
fresh halo
Is this any good, Siblings ?
devout axle
Can telekinetically push enemies away without needing to switch to your melee. Seems good in my book.
daring nexus
That's how I see it: If you are playing with a good team and well coordinated wi...
The thing is hoard clearing is already one of the psykers strengths. KB just lets you help the team more by quickly blowing up bulwarks and crushers which the vet really can’t
AB on the other hand is in direct competition with your own purge staff and it’s losing
lilac tapir
I feel like on Damnation high intensity you need more than just purge to clear mass hordes + weaken larger groups of elites (that often come together with hordes)
My experience is that if you have a decent combination of Ogryn + Preacher on the team the bulwarks die instantly and I don't really need to switch to BB to help the team out and you generally just purge away and hit ult whenever you can because your stacks and ult itself will be back in no time (thanks to AB and aura)
But of course I can't deny the strengths of KB, I personally run KB on Heresy and AB on Damnation with the rest of my build pretty much the same.
fresh halo
Siblings, it is with pride that I can now say that I am Imperium-certified.
lilac tapir
congrats!
fresh halo
Thank you, Sibling
west stream
AB on the other hand is in direct competition with your own purge staff and it’s...
I'd argue AB doesnt compete
instead it gives you an easy way to fill charges with purge
ornate sand
Hello, siblings. Regarding Warp Absorption, what exactly counts as a "Warp Attack"?
sweet drift
Hello, siblings. Regarding `Warp Absorption`, what exactly counts as a *"Warp At...
Most likely anything that causes peril to build
Besides blocking/shoving of course
fierce sinew
Most likely anything that causes peril to build
this is not a good heuristic for knowing what fits in any gameplay category in a fatshark game
in this case the category in question isn't even consistent between feats
brain burst for example counts as warp for warp absorption, but non-warp for cerebral lacerations
north cradle
Force Sword special, Voidstrike P/S, Trauma P/S, Surge P, and Brain Burst
I think that covers it
Best info we got at the moment
So if I'm using a Kantrael Mk XII on Vet, am I still better off with the reload speed on Elite kill than I would with Deadshot?
fresh halo
Siblings, small question: What are the best stats to have on a Curio ?
north cradle
For Psyker, I'd say a +Wound, +Health, and +Toughness, with Toughness Regen, DR/Gunners, and maybe Corruption Resist?
marsh token
Siblings, small question: What are the best stats to have on a Curio ?
Hmm.
Is based on the build.
Deflector likes Block Cost Reduction/Stamina Regen/ Stamina.
Otherwise, opinions differ in terms of toughness and health.
I play full health on all curios
north cradle
I'd probably go with one Toughness and two Health instead, also depending on your build
I love Voidstrike, so Warp Absorption goes brr on hordes
If you're using Purgatus, Essence Harvest (with Ascendant Blaze)
marsh token
When you have problems with range enemys = stack toughness
When you want to survive longer = health.
Its very easy to decide 😛
north cradle
Toughness also helps with health indirectly
fresh halo
Noted. Thanks a lot, siblings !
fierce sinew
you can use the enemy damage numbers to see what toughness breakpoints you care about and build around those
marsh token
you can use the enemy damage numbers to see what toughness breakpoints you care ...
Yeah.
Shotgunners on Damnation Destroys the default 100 Toughness with one shot and deal some Damage to the Lifepoints (20-30HP)
marsh token
Better to dodge.
fierce sinew
definitely
marsh token
Or block the bullets 😄
fierce sinew
I think picking some number of shooter shots is the more realistic way to choose a number
devout axle
Or kill that motherfucker before he even knows you're there.
fierce sinew
since those it's less feasible to always avoid entirely
so you take enough toughness in your curios for that, and no more
restive slate
I just found out psykers do a force push with the laspistol
olive cairn
Psykers, should we melee through the blue fire or leave it alone?
restive slate
Soulblaze?
wet jacinth
Melee
cyan notch
Psykers, should we melee through the blue fire or leave it alone?
sure if theres nothing else to do go ahead but if theres ranged threats its preferable to shoot those instead
devout sentinel
@ornate sand @north cradle
- 3x HP or 3x Thougness is the best . 1 Wound 1 Though 1 Hp is the very bad beta starter habit . Not effective and outshined by everything else BY FAR.
- detailed answer towards WARP BASE / WARP ATTACK in file
north cradle
It's a text file not a bin file
devout sentinel
Siblings, small question: What are the best stats to have on a Curio ?
Thougness is not worth getting 166 on max (3x17+3x5=66+100base)
You can get the feat for 10-33% Reduced Damage based on perril BUT you never want to stay on high perril no matter which situation or build! You want to get high perril and unload or quell down fast for Quititude or to be able to perform for the team (brainburst,staffs etc)
3x HP gives you 100Though and around 250+HP which helps you with grims,corruption in general , bigger health pool obv. Additionally getting downed lets you stay 10hp+ above wound number1. Wound is just personal preference nothing to calculate or help here. If you need it and you need practice get it
wet jacinth
I dont trust Senji
devout sentinel
<3
wet jacinth
I trust in horny.
Shit
Typo
I trust in my comrades. Not Senji
Senji not comrade
devout sentinel
Fine by me . Lonewolf
half iron
i trust the blue fire
half iron
just brainburst and watch the vet steal those instead
cyan notch
why no stun?
eternal dagger
Where can I ask people to help me out with brain burst the boss penance?
inner jackal
LF help with Malleus Monstronum penance ready to return the favour with shield ogryn https://discord.com/channels/727074276724965407/1032365652192792588
west stream
there it is
vital bough
Thougness is not worth getting 166 on max (3x17+3x5=66+100base)
You can get the...
Warp Nexus and high peril is a build, so that's a reason you may be at high peril on purpose.
Though, from what I understand, it seems like they made it to where Warp Nexus on your staff no longer applies the crit bonus to your melee.
dusky bear
"finally a purga staff with 80 radius and burn... and..... 45 warp resist.... and 30 quell speed"
bright cape
anyone have any advice on how to suicide bomb elites
like which elites i should aim for? because alot of them keep brushing me off
safe crystal
Check the psykanium on which of the elites die on the difficulty you try it on. Shotgunners or gunners are usually the go-to
bright cape
Check the psykanium on which of the elites die on the difficulty you try it on. ...
ty
vestal stirrup
regal musk
worst tattoo imo 😛
rose lily
is there only 1 MK of force sword?
spice veldt
is there only 1 MK of force sword?
Yup; only one mark so far
though, in the Psyker trailer, there was a different mark/model that had a heavy thrust attack
so it's presumably not going to be the only mark in the future
opal sluice
Hello siblings! Spreading awareness about a bug report I've done that the devs have acknowledged due to Catfish's assistance. We CAN block snipers! https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/kinetic-deflection-disables-the-deflector-blessing-against-snipers/75140
cyan notch
yeah but you can block less stuff without kinetic deflection
does it eat into your hp if u block a sniper?
devout axle
does it eat into your hp if u block a sniper?
Sniper shots go through deflector blocks, dealing damage as if they had hit you directly.
opal sluice
Look at the bug, it has been marked acknowledged, the devs were able to recreate this bug.
cloud sequoia
i found a weird visual (i think) bug when charging BB
cyan notch
Sniper shots go through deflector blocks, dealing damage as if they had hit you ...
did u read the bug post?
cloud sequoia
the bar went 20% ish instantly
spice veldt
the bar went 20% ish instantly
i tend to get that bug if I switch from the Brain Burst LMB to RMB or vice versa
or if I ult right after beginning the cast on my Brain Burst (with Kinetic Barrage equipped)
seems to be related to the charge rate of BB changing midway through a cast or something; it doesn't occur reliably, but I've personally seen it happen only under those specific conditions
slender plaza
why no stun?
seriously this is so annoying. mobs ignoring cc such as push, surge, and purg primary needs to be fixed
very often it is straight up game ruining
spice veldt
seems to be related to the other Psyker BBing the dog, which presumably causes some stagger
so far, the game is extremely bad at handling multiple sources of stagger at once
slender plaza
ive had it happen many times when i was last man standing. it would show my surge connecting to the dog and dog gave zero fucks
with push theres a chance that i screwed up sure
spice veldt
I've had instances where a charged trauma staff did not stagger dogs even though they usually get staggered
pale crescent
https://i.redd.it/mt6ilpckbmha1.jpg
Have you guys seen the demonhost sword from the subreddit?
spice veldt
quietude psykers are gonna say that this is their perfect force sword
cyan notch
WTF
cloud sequoia
0% it mean you are immune to warp right?
golden tartan
<:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163> 0% it mean you are immune to warp right?
It means more potential toughness 😛
pale crescent
"buzz buzz buzz buzz buzz"
kind tulip
Just got two malleus monstronums done in one match
agile cloak
Just got pick and mix accidentally by having the worst team ever
near wyvern
Just tanked a Daemonhost at damnation with duelling sword mk V and a +2 stamina curio without kinetic deflection. Siblings, run a stamina curio. It's some really good shit.
summer prairie
sounds more like your dodging tanked it
The attacks do 3.5 stamina damage
so 1.75 with the DS and no bcr
cloud sequoia
Just got pick and mix accidentally by having the worst team ever
that's the strat
devout sentinel
Just tanked a Daemonhost at damnation with duelling sword mk V and a +2 stamina ...
So we buildin for daemonhosts with +9 stamina (3x3) , stamina regen and block efficiency right : D ?
idle bay
Just tanked a Daemonhost at damnation with duelling sword mk V and a +2 stamina ...
Since the fix i'm always running +3 Stamina curio. It makes no sense to not equip one 🙂
near wyvern
So we buildin for daemonhosts with +9 stamina (3x3) , stamina regen and block ef...
No need. Just one stamina curio with a little stamina ragen and it's good
devout sentinel
Since the fix i'm always running +3 Stamina curio. It makes no sense to not equi...
on...damnation...?
near wyvern
Since the fix i'm always running +3 Stamina curio. It makes no sense to not equi...
Yea it does. When you don't have one. 😭
near wyvern
sounds more like your dodging tanked it
You dodge first and last attack and block the hits in the middle.
Depending on which attack lands you can take 2 or 3 hits before she gets to your toughness/ hp bar
But the stamina regens really fast back to full so unless you can afford to make mistakes every other attack chain.
marsh token
btw Force Sword Special Attack Kill gives 15 Toughness back (with default 100 Toughness). I think its 10 from Warp Abosrbtion and 5 from Meele Kill.
spice veldt
I'm hoping that the 2-handed Force Sword's special acts like the Power Sword so that I get toughness back on kill, giving me a reason to run Warp Absorption
near wyvern
btw Force Sword Special Attack Kill gives 15 Toughness back (with default 100 To...
Yes so after 7 special attack kills you have your toughness fully back. "Profit"
still hearth
The 10% on warp kills should just be 10% on kills
spice veldt
another reason for zealots to be depressed if we ever got more toughness on unconditional melee kills
cyan notch
zealots and ogryns have toughness blessings on their weapons
spice veldt
zealots and ogryns have toughness blessings on their weapons
true; maybe we'll also get toughness blessings on our 2-handed force sword. I'm on extreme hopium right now
still hearth
Zealot had it on two weapons and they're both not great with the weapons
spice veldt
we don't even get an extra 2.5% toughness on melee kills; AT LEAST GIVE US A TOUGHNESS BLESSING ON A FORCE MELEEEEE
idle bay
But we have non stop Toughness regen through 1st feat.. having extra on weapon is excessive.
spice veldt
assuming you're running Psychic Communion and/or Ascendant Blaze (which would either be situational or you're running Purgatus)
and Quietude requires downtime
idle bay
Nope - Axe and Surge and it's still mostly non stop
spice veldt
oh wait, are you talking about Quietude, the get toughness on quelling?
yeah, Quietude's pretty good with a non-Force melee
though I personally run Force weapons in both slots, so I need to actively quell for any substantial amount of toughness
idle bay
Essense Harvest + Psychic Communion + Kinetic Flayer and active fighting is enough usually to keep toughness regen going when it's needed
And not tanking shooters fire with a face 🙂
spice veldt
my problem with Psychic Communion is that probability is involved
idle bay
It's high enough 🙂
still hearth
4% chance is low af
spice veldt
Expected value of 30% per 25 enemies
idle bay
Higher than chance of getting 380 Surge staf wich is probably a negative value
still hearth
Kinetic is definitely more reliable
spice veldt
oh yeah, forgot about flayer
still hearth
But idk, I'm not a fan of Essence Harvest
idle bay
And throw occasional BB into the that
spice veldt
especially since it doesn't stack
still hearth
I just find it ruins my flow more than quelling does
idle bay
at this point i'm not sure which is lower - chance of getting 380 Surge, or simply above 360 Thunder hammer on Zealot.
spice veldt
I actively avoid using Brain Burst if I can and I don't run Communion, so it's not that good for me
idle bay
Imagine another Warp Charges buff - when they no loner fall off , and you loose them only via 1st or 2nd lvl 30 feats
marsh token
mass controll ?
Horde Clear / Stunning - Support /
spice veldt
so far, all of our Force Staffs are crowd-control, so crowd controlling is our main duty
we have some anti-armor in the form of our Brain Burst and Force Sword
and we have some anti-shield in the form of Brain Burst
still hearth
Use Guns
Brrrr
The role you take is more about what weapons you use
Than what class you play
magic burrow
I'd say the Psyker's role is crowd control, and your choice of weapon dictates what type of crowd control, whether it be horde clear or keeping big enemies down
still hearth
Psyker's role is crowd murdering
Or CC
Or mobility
Or long-range sniping
Or survivability
spice veldt
Or long-range sniping
for when they make another map like consignment yard's finale
spice veldt
Psyker, because of warp powers and blocking bullets
magic burrow
I forget what the voice is called, but the cooky German accent Psyker is by far the funniest voice in the game
marsh token
who do you find funnier between psyker and zealot?
Zealots bring a knife to a gunfight and die.
Psyker reaches 100% Peril and explodes and dies. 😛
cyan notch
yea savant is the french enforcer
spice veldt
in my head, the energetic german voice never made me think of it as the loner
cyan notch
it's Loner
enforcer? thats savant
brazen rose
does it ever happens to you that you unlock a weapon and it's not aviable in the shop?
safe crystal
does it ever happens to you that you unlock a weapon and it's not aviable in the...
All the time when leveling up, the shop is pure RNG
fresh halo
enforcer? thats savant
Loner is Enforcer.
Nevermind.
I was sure it was Loner, though.
Oh well, guess I'm just tired.
near wyvern
what's the psyker role?
It depends on your build and loadout selection. The currently strongest are:
- horde clear (purge staff)
- CC bot (surge staff)
But you can also find some land between these two extremes with trauma staff and void staff.
Then you can also run range + elite/special killer with lasgun and BB build but you should take kinetic deflection in that case for extremely good revive potential or you bring nothing to the table that a veteran couldn't do better.
With surge and purge you can either go dedicated staff build or run them along side a BB based build so while there aren't that many viable ranged weapon choices, you can alter your role with feats regardless of the choice of weapons.
For melee anything goes, try to pick something that fills a weakness in your build:
- duelling sword for mobility, cleave and ok mutant DPS
- force sword for self defence & killing mutants fast, poor vs horde tho and slow auto quell
- combat blade for max mobility, ok against horde and elites but not best
- combat axe (especially mk V) for good damage vs everything, low mobility
- devil's claw for horde clear but sucks vs armour
dawn orchid
Don't forget the dead weight role (trauma staff)
spice veldt
Trauma staff is fine as long as you're not using it all the time
dawn orchid
Trauma staff is fine as long as you aren't using it 
spice veldt
Yeah; in the same way that you cover up the Surge staff's weakness by using your melee
near wyvern
Trauma is not that bad. It's the king of mixed hordes but suffers greatly if there is not a good chocke point.
spice veldt
Bring a melee with decent horde clear and anti-armor, and you're usually fine.
dawn orchid
Unless it's been changed, it only flings hordes around and doesn't really do damage outside of the middle
spice veldt
yeah, which is why you don't use it for pure hordes
dawn orchid
Which ironically makes them harder for your team to mop up
spice veldt
and beyond hordes, Trauma is good for killing ranged (assuming that they're not elevated above you; in which case, you're going to have a painful time)
dawn orchid
spice veldt
to be fair, you could do the same with purg and face-tanking ranged
dawn orchid
You're overwhelmingly better off with purge is the thing
spice veldt
but I usually take a bit too much chip HP with that to be comfortable
slow karma
Or we could stop this pedantic bickering and realize we can use what we want as long as we know it's strengths and weaknesses
spice veldt
no
slow karma
Understandable. Have a good day.
dawn orchid
I will use chainaxe/autopistol in damnation and force my team to carry me
slow karma
lmao ok that's an extreme I wouldn't advocate for
dawn orchid
As long as I know it's strengths (none) and weaknesses (big) it's fine
slow karma
Hey I never said all weapons were on equal terms
but the staves all bring SOMEthing to the table
spice veldt
a bit extreme to say it has no strength and weakness
dawn orchid
Bringing something doesn't mean that something is comparable to other somethings
spice veldt
if I were playing a true solo run, Trauma is pretty competitive on certain maps for completing objectives
slow karma
No, but this is a game with people you cannot control the actions of. everyone has their fun in certain ways and it's no more or less valid than your way.
dawn orchid
Which is where a lot of off meta advocates get themselves stuck logically
spice veldt
what's wrong with that?
slow karma
Parroting the same "X is bad, never use it" rhetoric isn't helping anyone but yourself
spice veldt
I never said it was the best
It has its uses, and it's not necessarily a detriment if you use it properly
I just think that Trauma gets a bad rep because it's one of the staffs that scales particularly hard with stats (e.g., charge rate scales from 2.5 to 1.0)
dawn orchid
Parroting the same "X is bad, never use it" rhetoric isn't helping anyone but yo...
More like it's "X is bad, it should be buffed/reworked to be good".
cyan notch
trauma is aight now
slow karma
Yeah and in the meantime it's still fun for somebody
dawn orchid
"fun"
slow karma
If someone spends enough time with something in the game they tend to learn how to pull their weight with it
dawn orchid
Or they flatter themselves that they're pulling their weight with it, but in actuality are making their team carry them
slow karma
That's not your call to make
dawn orchid
That's not your call to make
rocky cedar
I will use chainaxe/autopistol in damnation and force my team to carry me
Chaxe is by no means bad currently
On Zealot at least
manic needle
If you can only pull your weight with meta weapons then you're not good at the game tbh
rocky cedar
I've got one with T3 slaughter + T3 Thrust and it kinda slaps TBH
slow karma
Well hopefully you realize that while you've been going back and forth with me, others in here are agreeing more with my stance than yours in general.
cyan notch
chain weapons are so cool i wish psyker got more of them
dawn orchid
Chaxe is by no means bad currently
I'll have to take a look at it post buff, it was previously the undisputed worst melee weapon
spice veldt
arms too weak
slow karma
Let people enjoy things. You can stay mad in the meantime if you want.
rocky cedar
I'll have to take a look at it post buff, it was previously the undisputed worst...
Thrust fix did a lot for it
Last round of buffs were nice too
rocky cedar
T4 is +60% power for fully charged heavy
Didn't work with rev attacks a while ago
So it was useless
Now it does work with rev attacks it's a one shot machine
I would never recommend running it without at least slaughterer
But with slaughterer it's good
dawn orchid
If you can only pull your weight with meta weapons then you're not good at the g...
Me absolutely demolishing the game and carrying my team with my braced agri vet in damnation is hardly just pulling my weight
spice veldt
their point is that you can pull your weight with off-meta weapons
they're not disputing that meta weapons will do more than just pull your weight
rocky cedar
I definitely wouldn't recommend autopistol though I have done Damnation with it, but if you somehow get the god roll T4 pinning fire on it, especially if you somehow get that with cavalcade secondary it's surprisingly alright
manic needle
Yep, actual brainlet response tbh
rocky cedar
Yeah very few melee weapons are actually can't carry your weight bad currently
At least with the right rolls
Obviously if you bring in a grey 280 laspistol you're trolling
dawn orchid
their point is that you can pull your weight with off-meta weapons
My point is that can and do are very different things
rocky cedar
But that's like, not actually happening
dawn orchid
Off meta warriors have a high rate of overlap with contrarians and will champion weak weapons to make themselves feel special and overvalue their contribution
manic needle
If someone isn't pulling their weight then it's a skill issue
rocky cedar
I've seen people with very meta loadouts not carry their weight plenty
spice veldt
yeah, but we're not really overvaluing our contribution are we
we're just saying that we'll "pull our weight"
manic needle
Off meta warriors have a high rate of overlap with contrarians and will champion...
Sounds like you just have a chip on your choulder
dawn orchid
I've yet to see a single trauma staff user make me think "wow I'm glad we have a trauma staff user"
spice veldt
purg's undoubtedly the king, but I don't think that the Trauma staff is amazingly far behind in terms of utility and strengths
cyan notch
Off meta warriors have a high rate of overlap with contrarians and will champion...
idk man i think thats a you thing sound u got some underlying issues
dawn orchid
idk man i think thats a you thing sound u got some underlying issues
idk man i think thats a you thing sound u got some underlying issues, looks like I struck a nerve
cyan notch
yeah that kinda proves my point
dawn orchid
Yeah that kinda proves my point, you didn't make an argument
cyan notch
hope u sort out whatever it is
rocky cedar
Trauma is good but TBH I'm used to people under valuing it at this point
dawn orchid
Hope you recover from the emotional trauma that makes you so attached to the trauma staff
dawn orchid
He's a verified contrarian so I'm surprised he's not using trauma 24/7
cyan notch
trauma is aight now
this was the only thing i said about trauma
dawn orchid
This time, I've seen you defend gun psyker and trauma as being good or great on multiple occasions
cyan notch
nah not really
dawn orchid
I forgive you too for being a contrarian
I know it's highly contagious and not your fault
dawn orchid
Nah not really
dawn orchid
The issue with gunpsyk is that it's just massively inferior to playing vet with the same gun
west galleon
greetings, is there anyone here who might be able to help me get the "90% dmg to monstrosity penance" for psyker?
sullen bobcat
It's a dollar store vet
forest coral
Its trash, but fun to play
dawn orchid
If they made kinetic flayer reduce its cd on hit
I could see it being way more interesting
sullen bobcat
The issue with gunpsyk is that it's just massively inferior to playing vet with ...
Let me just go get an infernus recon on my vet
A fucking infernus recon dropped twice on my psyker
forest coral
Headhunter psyker isnt too bad either
floral solstice
well yeah comparing gunplay with vet is not fair lol
dawn orchid
Like this?
spice veldt
with the warp charge changes, you have a 35 second window to get a flayer proc on an enemy, so it's not that bad
rocky cedar
The issue with gunpsyk is that it's just massively inferior to playing vet with ...
Yes and no. BB means you always have an option for Bulwarks, Crushers, and Snipers no matter what gun you're using. That lets you get away gun choices that leave Vet more team reliant
cyan notch
Doesnt Blooddrunk mostly use Purgatus?
yea its the most well rounded tbh everytime i switch off it i feel myself wishing damn i wish i had blue fire staff
pine relic
"Veteran totally needs another buff so he can two-shot Reaper at Damnation."
sullen bobcat
The Mk12 really needs an ammo nerf
Like it legitimately has 2.5x the total damage of the next highest gun
rocky cedar
with the warp charge changes, you have a 35 second window to get a flayer proc o...
50 seconds if you were already at max
grizzled jasper
other weapons needs a buff
sullen bobcat
cyan notch
Like it legitimately has 2.5x the total damage of the next highest gun
yea the mg 1a has same ammo consumption and LESS AMMO and LESS DAMAGE
rocky cedar
XII should really use 4 ammo per shot
sullen bobcat
Bringing everything up to Mk12 ridiculousness is just hilariously bad powercreep
tawny swallow
was excited until i noticed the damage stat :(
rocky cedar
It feels kind a bug that it doesn't TBH
forest coral
a few more explosions
rocky cedar
was excited until i noticed the damage stat :(
Might still be workable with they 25% infested roll
dawn orchid
Yes and no. BB means you always have an option for Bulwarks, Crushers, and Snipe...
Bulwarks and crushers are a non-issue really. Anyone can bully crushers and all you have to do to handle bulwarks is bait an attack to drop the shield and spray them. Snipers are likewise not hard to handle with the guns vets will be running.
Then you also need to take into account that psyker doesn't give free teamwide ammo, doesn't have increased ammo capacity (which means more ammo from pickups), and has less damage and ability to murderize all shooters/elites with counterfire.
rocky cedar
Test in meat grinder if you can one shot poxwalkers on Damn with warp charges at least
dawn orchid
That too
sullen bobcat
Let's nerf zealot
dawn orchid
Let's nerf psyker tanking
tawny swallow
I don’t play damnation but Ill try it I guess lol
rocky cedar
Zealot deserved that nerf but they really should come for Vet soon
tawny swallow
woah wtf I don’t even play Hersey man I didn’t know dam was the final difficulty
sullen bobcat
Gun psyker? Yeah I've brought a gun psyker to damnation just fine
It's severely not optimal
And this game is mostly skill tbh
rocky cedar
I don’t play damnation but Ill try it I guess lol
Damage stat will barely matter then lol
You'll still be one shotting horde mobs
rocky cedar
I don't think the damage range is that high TBH
sullen bobcat
Even then, if it does one shot, it'll do it literally only in exact center, and will fail to kill anything else because of drop off
rocky cedar
But yeah meat grinder to be sure
sullen bobcat
What difficulty is that?
spice veldt
you have +infested, so you hit the breakpoints on poxwalkers
sullen bobcat
Also try the dregs
tawny swallow
damnation
sullen bobcat
The dregs are unarmored
rocky cedar
Even then, if it does one shot, it'll do it literally only in exact center, and ...
Yeah but that's true even with max damage roll
spice veldt
I'd see if you hit the breakpoint for dregs and scabs though
sullen bobcat
Which your staff doesn't cover
rocky cedar
The drop-off is extremely sudden and severe
tawny swallow
I don’t even play this difficulty someone just suggested I try
tawny swallow
we r assuming the fully charged secondary yeah
rocky cedar
Mixed hordes
spice veldt
yup
rocky cedar
Are where it excels
spice veldt
your charge rate is good enough, so you should be fine with full charges
dawn orchid
It's severely not optimal
That's my issue with it, also because gun psykers hoover all the ammo in my games and then do piddly damage with their (usually not even infernus) recons
tawny swallow
it one shots scabs but not dregs
cyan notch
I don't think the damage range is that high TBH
it is fairly important its like 300-380
dawn orchid
Nearly every single one just blows ammo constantly and I'm somehow still having to clean up all the shooters
spice veldt
in terms of percentages, that's from a range of 0% to +26.66% from a 0% damage stat
that's not necessarily a build issue but also a player issue
I mostly use my melee even when I bring out a gun
only take out the gun for shotgunners and melee elites
cyan notch
it one shots scabs but not dregs
cuz you have +flak
spice veldt
and I just let my ammo drain to 0 if the rest of my team has orange/red ammo
sullen bobcat
Yeah when I did my gun psyker gun, it legitimately was me being dry for 25% of it
tawny swallow
if I even played on this difficulty this would probably be an issue
dawn orchid
It's also a build issue, but not limited to psyker. Recons in generally are underperforming with high ttk and ammo inefficiency.
spice veldt
yeah; I personally only ever use infantry autoguns
dawn orchid
It's extremely hard to get a good infernus and even then, still inferior to a decent xii
sullen bobcat
Infernus is the only reason why recon is usable
And at best, usable
Did anyone at Fatshark even consider total damage of the gun?
Like it's pretty hilarious how skewed it is
cyan notch
its cool tho shoots red tracers and no recoil
dawn orchid
It is very cool, just needs some tuning
rocky cedar
it is fairly important its like 300-380
Yeah they said they don't even play Damn though, going down a difficulty is a lot less enemy HP
spice veldt
it has really shit maniac modifiers doesn't it
sullen bobcat
It is very cool, just needs some tuning
"some"
golden tartan
The biggest thing the recon lasgun needs is ammo
dawn orchid
Some more damage and maybe ammo, or giving it stopping power instead of collateral because it doesn't stagger or suppress for shit
golden tartan
Like the issue is it is a gun that requires you to fire long bursts/auto
which is fine
rocky cedar
The biggest thing the recon lasgun needs is ammo
Same with autopistol TBH, but like, a lot more ammo in that case
golden tartan
If it had ammo that let you fire long bursts/auto
sullen bobcat
Just up the damage
dawn orchid
It needs a more competitive ttk as well to be good, another issue with ammo inefficiency is needing a ton of shots to kill something
golden tartan
Yea that one has similar amounts of ammo as the low rof high damage one
which is
???
sullen bobcat
Like half the shots barely register because the game can't handle it in an actual game
dawn orchid
That and the mk2 have the same damage but the VId has a higher rof
mk2 is easily the worst
golden tartan
I honestly have no idea which recon version is the best
An IAG
dawn orchid
VId for infernus, VIIa for without felt the best to me
summer prairie
They don't have the same damage
pine relic
My psyker keeps getting these lasgun, I'm so mad
golden tartan
My psyker keeps getting these lasgun, I'm so mad
Psyker actually uses XII well
dawn orchid
They don't have the same damage
Pretty sure mk2 and VId both go up to 50 damage max
cyan notch
I honestly have no idea which recon version is the best
the one that goes brr the most
summer prairie
Nope
dawn orchid
I shall check
pine relic
Does anybody have recon with both crit and infernal blessing?
I always wonder how good it is
dawn orchid
summer prairie
It's also worth noting that VII has more cleave and can cleave 3 groaners or 2 poxwalkers
dawn orchid
Does anybody have recon with both crit and infernal blessing?
My old infernus, great everything except for the stat rolls.
sullen bobcat
Cleave is sorta a joke on ranged imo
You shoot at specials or shooters most of the time
summer prairie
It's not on recon
dawn orchid
It fell off noticeably on damnation
summer prairie
Those are pretty good Vs horde
sullen bobcat
And 90% of the time, it's an open LoS
pine relic
unfortunately 6 maximum stacks, lasgun has 12 maximum stacks though you can never actually stack them except fighting monstrosities.
summer prairie
VII can technically kill 3 groaners with one shot
sullen bobcat
Crits on high rof weapons is a burst of crits
Once you hit the first 5% crit or whatever the rate is at the moment
It'll fire a burst of crits depending on the weapon
dawn orchid
unfortunately 6 maximum stacks, lasgun has 12 maximum stacks though you can neve...
Interesting, I thought the infantry lasgun version was also limited to 9 stacks max. Also for the entire time I was using that one, infernus was bugged so that the lower tier was doing the same damage as the higher tier.
pine relic
Crits on high rof weapons is a burst of crits
Looks great except can't kill anything lol
sullen bobcat
So for infernus, you'll legitimately stack all of it in one burst if you roll it
forest coral
flash light in higher diff
dawn orchid
So for infernus, you'll legitimately stack all of it in one burst if you roll it
Yes, due to how many automatic weapons crit in a row.
summer prairie
Yes, recons with a T4 infernus hit the stack cap with one or two sets of crits depending on the mk
sullen bobcat
DUAL LINKED FLASHLIGHTS
cyan notch
flash light in higher diff
sullen bobcat
It's amazing how some recons have two buttons for their flashlights
dawn orchid
Exact same damage, but VId fires faster.
forest coral
<a:flashbang:958078780834971688>
summer prairie
Look at the detailed dmg values Vs armor types
dawn orchid
Look at the detailed dmg values Vs armor types
They have the same numbers, just inverted based on distance.
lethal folio
The damage is very much not the same
dawn orchid
Which I'm wondering if that's a bug that the mk2 does that, usually lasguns have higher damage over range
lethal folio
they have very different armour multipliers
dawn orchid
they have very different armour multipliers
Do you have some datamined info for us?
summer prairie
Why don't you try shooting with your guns
lethal folio
You can just read the damage on the inspect.
sullen bobcat
You can also just inspect the gun and look.
The game's a lot more open about damage than vermintide
rocky cedar
Yeah damage table is there for a reason
sullen bobcat
The only thing I want is for the meat grinder to tell me how much health each enemy has tbh
dawn orchid
As I did, and also said. The only visible difference between the guns in terms of damage is whether they have inverted damage falloff or not.
summer prairie
...
cyan notch
The only thing I want is for the meat grinder to tell me how much health each en...
do quick mafs
dawn orchid
summer prairie
Not that
cyan notch
press tab
rocky cedar
Come on now
dawn orchid
Oh thanks
sullen bobcat
do quick mafs
How
tawny swallow
idk if anyone remembers the staff I had but it kicks ass on heresy at least
dawn orchid
I was indeed incorrect. Wish they made this more obvious at a glance instead of seemingly having the same damage
sullen bobcat
How add
cyan notch
although u can check the damage calculator to see add hp
safe crystal
Fear not, they will add something next week
sullen bobcat
Be not afraid
safe crystal
Psykanium showing the health would be great though
tawny swallow
is the surge staff any good? I’m using a lot since it’s fun but it never really seems overtly lethal
floral solstice
what difficulty are you playing
because teams start appreciating surge more on higher diffs
cyan notch
surge is cool it makes enemies dance
tawny swallow
I was on malice but I’m starting to play heresy now
floral solstice
yeah surge is my favorite staff but i dont bring it on malice or lower when i speedrun weeklies
this goddamn psyker stood on a box and spammed bb on hordes on the whole event
chinese randoms are a different breed
sullen bobcat
More shit that needs to be stunned
floral solstice
because reliable CC gives your team a lot of breathing room to kill groups of elites
sullen bobcat
And things don't die as fast
floral solstice
meanwhile malice and lower is unga bunga difficulty so just bring dps
sullen bobcat
And they need to stop being a threat immediately
To have something stop being a threat, you either kill it or disable it
cyan notch
surge is pretty decent on low diffs
you dont really need ultra horde clear purg
and zaps can kill stuff quicker than higher diff
sullen bobcat
On higher difficulties, there are more threats and harder to kill, so surge gets more value
floral solstice
feels too slow for me when i speedrun weeklies
i legit just switch to gun + antax to speedrun on lower diff
tawny swallow
oooh so I should focus on stunning shit so it don’t kill the team that’s cool
sullen bobcat
On lower difficulties, it's just simpler and less time consuming to just kill the threat
Since it's much easier to kill
floral solstice
just waiting for next week™ to see weeklies change
tawny swallow
should still focus on full charge zaps yeah?
floral solstice
mostly spam cast
or if it's just melee elites like maulers and your team is free anyway then why not
spice veldt
the stagger power and duration of surge doesn't seem to be affected by charging it
floral solstice
full charge is mostly for bursting scab shooters/gunners imo
spice veldt
so if your goal is to stun, spam it
if you want to eek out some more damage for peril, you'll want to charge
ye
tawny swallow
ok now that I’m using it on higher diff I really like how this works
floral solstice
just bring a good melee for hordes
pine relic
I just had a game that 4 players quit, and I had to clear the horde and fight a plague Ogryn, the last player who joined the game immediately fall out off the map, I'm so mad
spice owl
new question. Does the XII have any breakpoints needed for it to be good for a psyker?
floral solstice
ahh man that's a tough question considering most psykers dont bring gun (at least those who play higher diff)
even if it does you still dont get unwavering/counterfire/toughness regen on kill that vets have
spice owl
wanna try it on higher difficulties, and a dude on reddit posted a good argument
ill just quickly copy his comment
floral solstice
well if you really wanna test breakpoints you can try the calculator i guess
cyan notch
u can just check flak/unarmoured damage for the 2 shooter types
spice owl
Coming from a T5 only player, I'd argue XII is a top 3 weapon choice as Psyker, and it's main drawback of being unable to kill Crusher is gone because of Brain Burst. XII also has high maniac damage so you can kill most specials and elites in 1 hit. Psyker also lets you hit certain break points because of easy bonus damage from stacks.
Is it better than a staff? Probably all but Purge to be honest. Is it better than Vet? In some ways. You get better and safer melee since you have better stamina regen and lower delay, along with better blocking. Higher Melee DPS on weapons like M5 and Combat knife because of Push Attack Spam. You have more damage at the cost of less ammo, but ammo isn't a concern. Brain Burst is situationally better than Frag Grenade, and you have your ability to use for "get off" or reset. AB without Purge isn't ideal but it's still an op ability. Much more frail than Veteran at ranged, especially because a chunk of Pysker survivability comes from Quietude at the moment.
cyan notch
probably 1/2 tap them
spice owl
aye
floral solstice
ok but what happens when you peak to start shooting at a large group of shooters/gunners/reapers
spice owl
thats what BB is for
floral solstice
you lose all toughness in a second and get suppresed to hell
ok you can snipe them one by one with barrage even
west stream
Get a gun with Ghost
floral solstice
but if you can get close enough to purge/surge etc then i'd take that over gun any day
cyan notch
you should definitely try it and see firsthand for yourself what its strengths and weaknesses are in common scenarios you encounter
spice owl
melk bucks payment? No issue. Here we go
floral solstice
let's be real here, you definitely can complete hi5 with a gunpsyker if you're good enough
as is, the mg12 is a good weapon
did something similar before with a meme build on zealot with retribution and a claw sword
obviously still not as good as vet even if i have chastise to regen toughness, etc
so by all means, use it
but i'll never be convinced to use it myself when i can just roll as a vet
spice owl
i think its speaks more to the power of mg12 than anything else. What im curious about is if the new BB mechanics helps the gun hit interesting breakpoints
floral solstice
unless they add better gun synergies
spice owl
which i dont know about
or any of the other guns etc
So i did some testing in the psykanum. Will kill any shooter in a single headshot, and kill everything else in two shots to the torso. The original comment I quotes stated a bit further down that the best roll for a XII is 20% to flak and maniacs. I can see why. Dreg stalkers would be a one shot to the torso with this. my orange roll is like 464, so its not even very good. Time to take it for a spin
spice owl
aye
i think if i combo this with a deflector force sword it could be a very strong build
ancient ivy
Gonna need slaughterer as well to have horde presence
spice owl
p much
safe crystal
3 warp charges lets you kill reapers with 7 headshots instead of 8 without any crits at close range. Far range, you need 6 headshots with the same charges. One shot body shotting a stalker isnt doable with 6 stacks,doesnt even come close. Unless the redditor mentioned here somehow manages to get 120 extra damage out of the 20% perk, its not possible without a crit. This is with a 78% damage 74% stopping power grey XII
ancient ivy
3 warp charges lets you kill reapers with 7 headshots instead of 8 without any c...
well yeah you answered it yourself. you take flak as a perk
safe crystal
You still need to deal 150 extra damage, and the damage on the flak is 210. Theres no way without a crit
safe crystal
Weapon used and damage dealt on bodyshot with 6 charges
ancient ivy
I do think gun psyker is a meme tho
spice owl
So I ran some ingame. You are an extreme anti shooter build. Its extremely efficent at taking out the gunners, but really, we're back to Veteran just being strong, and you're not really comparable. You have good utility in the form of BB (as per usual). It's best described as "do you like BB?" You can continue doing comparable single target damage with full perils. Mix in some BB for regen with essence harvest. I two shot bodyshot every small guy with a gun with 2 BB charges and a 20% flak. You suck vs hordes. On the other hand you now have more build variety, on the other hand they're still not very good.
Conclusion: Viable on damn imo, as per usual, play veteran instead.
slow karma
Man, I have literally zero maxed out weapons
supple skiff
give us a staff with some kind of rmb that serves a single target dps role and a lmb with a hitscan to pick off single small targets so we can handle shooters without playing diet vet
slow karma
Sounds broken
supple skiff
if the values are overtuned
spice owl
or just get psykinetic barrage, works as well
slow karma
To be fair, there is no purely single target staff
supple skiff
for all the lmb did the same damage as the other lmb's
just something thats somewhat not a pain in the ass to use
ancient ivy
So I ran some ingame. You are an extreme anti shooter build. Its extremely effic...
Even if its as good at shooting (it isnt), you still have half the toughness, worse toughness restoration, and no criminally powerful combos like 100% uptime counterfire + unwavering focus. Theres just no comparison.
supple skiff
the usual staff left click is brutal, behaves differently in game vs the grinder, stupid easy to dodge, and the damage isn't that great
spice veldt
at the very least, it interrupts shooters, gunners, and reapers on a single hit
especially good against reapers for running up their ass and beating them
golden tartan
give us a staff with some kind of rmb that serves a single target dps role and a...
Can we balance it by making it need to recharge off ammo boxes instead of giving perils >:P
spice owl
When you're out of perils, it helps dealing with targets you still want to BB
its much better at heresy, but on damn, no
brazen rose
im glitched
spice veldt
skill issue
brazen rose
there is this dude who's spamming to kick me for some reasons and wont enter the ship
we can't kick him because he is spamming soo fast the kick button
is klogging everything
spice veldt
interesting; so this is how I find out that there's no cooldown on kicking
safe crystal
Well, i mean
Just wait him out, he'll get bored. It sucks for everyone involved, but what can you do when a vet throws a tantrum
shrewd grove
What a loser
It’s always vets who are complete shit at the game and start being toxic in chat
💀
brazen rose
i don't know why he did that
spice veldt
should've brought better boots so that you didn't fall through the map
north cradle
btw Force Sword Special Attack Kill gives 15 Toughness back (with default 100 To...
Makes sense to me
Also Essence Harvest is much more bearable if you're also running Ascendant Blaze and Purgatus
I just wish it stacks like Veteran's
austere estuary
It’s always vets who are complete shit at the game and start being toxic in chat
Worst is "Vet who switched to vet after being bad on another class and heard Vet is godmode so swapped"
north cradle
I've actually started playing Veteran a little differently after getting to know her for a few hours
I still accidentally kill Brain Burst targets, but I'm starting to focus primarily on shooters during arenas and letting my teammates handle the trash mobs, to the point where I'm just waiting for shooters to show up rather than trying to help focus on the mobs
That Counterfire feat was already okay for letting people refresh Volley Fire on killing regular shooters, but now that it's working as intended for Weak Spot damage, I can rack up killing sprees like it's going out of style
I kept a Volley Fire going for an entire two lasgun magazines
north cradle
I'd say it works fine, just need to change Damage/Mobs into Damage/Flak
gloomy gulch
I was going to keep crit so I am glad to see that I was right
north cradle
You won't appreciate Focused Channeling until you're facing down a bunch of shooters and need to pop off a secondary
gloomy gulch
I have it on my trauma staff and I love it
but with that one I just look at my feet when I get swarmed and hope for the best
north cradle
That's what your ult is for
That and pushing Pox Hounds off your teammates through walls
And trying to turn no stacks of Warp Charge into six when the horde comes
Because your Veteran packed a Boltgun and is wasting it on mobs instead of letting the Zealot or Ogryn handle the mobs
gloomy gulch
Im currently not on that feat should I try it?
north cradle
Ascendant Blaze depends on your build
I would always use it on Purgatus, and sometimes on Voidstrike and Trauma
For anything else, Kinetic Barrage
Proactively using Kinetic Barrage, by the way, I'd also keep for non-Ogryn Elites, since you can one-shot all of them except Ragers and Maulers, but you can still soften them up bigly
For Ogryns, normal Brain Bursting will be good enough to open up Bulwarks and knock Reapers out of their firing cycle
supple skiff
KB with psy aura slaps
north cradle
Yup, it's the Sustained Fire Veteran of Psykers
near wyvern
KB with psy aura slaps
As long as that vet is allowing you to pick up the kills. But in general people sleep on Psycinetic's Aura. It's really good.
north cradle
My new feat setup is 1-2-2-1-1-2 thanks to the recent Psyker buffs
Or if Gun Psyker, 3-2-2-1-3-3
gloomy gulch
My new feat setup is 1-2-2-1-1-2 thanks to the recent Psyker buffs
hmm Ill try it but I still thought the soul blaze abilities werent so great?
north cradle
I don't have any Soulblaze aside from Ascendant Blaze, and it's great for racking up Warp Charges quickly
north cradle
The above is me using Purgatus btw. If I used Voidstrike or Trauma, it would be 2-2-2-1-1-2
If using AB, I ult into hordes, if a Pox Hound has one of my teammates through a wall, or if we need to push up through some shooters
If using KB, I proactively ult before an encounter to pick off Gunners or Shotgunners quickly. Otherwise, it's to help get some Ogryns off my teammates by staggering them and then popping their heads with a second or third Brain Burst
gloomy gulch
Yeah I have been using KB a lot and it just feels so good for those situations
Ill try the 6 warp charges but I think Ill keep KB
I do like whatever the one is called that gives you a brain bust randomly
cold mesa
actually very tempted to grab this lol
north cradle
I do like whatever the one is called that gives you a brain bust randomly
Kinetic Slayer
north cradle
I wouldn't worry about Surge Staff at lower levels
Surge Staff is something you typically use on Heresy and Damnation to stun bigger enemies for your teammates
devout moon
I've been trying to get a sword with Deflector since launch, with no luck :(
brazen rose
north cradle
I have some Deflectors I was saving up thinking I'd need to combine them into bigger Blessings, but that does not seem to be the case
I'm now operating under the assumption that if I have a T1 blessing on a weapon, that I can unlock the T1 version of that blessing by eating it, and if I get a T4 blessing, I can eat the weapon unlock the T4 version of said blessing
supple skiff
watch rebless add a random tier
north cradle
Of a random blessing from the pool you unlocked?
lilac tapir
knowing FS it will be random roll like perks 🙂
on the other hand if it's like perks then you can reroll as many times as you need as reroll eventually becomes free
north cradle
Yaaay
lilac tapir
(hopefully)
supple skiff
Im inclined to say it won't be random
lilac tapir
I hope you're right, it will make things much easier down the road
supple skiff
cause you can only get blessings from surrendered weapons, so you could intentioally omit blessings from the pool
lilac tapir
no I meant the level of blessing would be random when you re-bless
supple skiff
if you have only surrendered deflector, you'll only get deflector rolls
that, I think that probably going to happen
bit of a double edged sword. If you can only rebless with the same tier of blessing surrendered you can exclude rng and always get what you want, but if you never get higher tiers drops your screwed. But if it is random you could luck out and get a blessing tier that hasn't dropped for you yet
suppose only time will tell.
I'd rather just have the ability to pick the blessing at tier one and have the option to upgrade it to higher tiers with mats sort of like a consecrate
lilac tapir
I don't know about you guys but the game is still crashing a lot for me, mostly on mission load - on average I would say every 3-4 missions I still get a crash
devout sentinel
the sword of deflector blocks bullets?
Bullets and Sniper (currently Buged and not working tho (dev approved))
lilac tapir
Does Low Intensity Comms-Plex also spawn 3 guaranteed gunners/shotgunners at the end when pressing the elevator button?
I guess I will find out, attempting Going out with a Bang!
devout sentinel
Do that on Dreyko
lilac tapir
So the answer is yes, low intensity Comms-Plex does also spawn 3 guaranteed gunners/shutgunners when elevator button is pressed.
although some random guy killed them even though I asked not too so I'm on my attempt number 2 now haha
lilac tapir
Do that on Dreyko
What is the guaranteed spawn on Dreyko?
gloomy gulch
I re roll the Maniac damage for flak right?
hazy warren
for more general use i would say so
gloomy gulch
actually maybe block is better because of deflector
hazy warren
either or
north cradle
I'd personally keep Maniac on there
Good for smacking Mutants
You might be able to one-shot Dreg Ragers too maybe
hazy warren
eh personally just charging the sword is usually enough. But then again thats assuming i timed dodging the mutant properly & got the sword to connect
north cradle
Lemme get some Psykhanium time one sec
I'll use this for the baseline
Playing on Damnation, Heavy Special Vs Scab Rager
Vs Dreg Rager
Gonna grab some Warp Charges
Six Warp Charges still won't kill in a single Heavy Special
Let's try with this
hazy warren
this is what im running rn.
north cradle
There we go, one-hits Dreg Ragers on Damnation with six Warp Charges
hazy warren
got another one on hand that im waiting for crafting to drop to start rolling
north cradle
So I'd personally keep the Maniac damage, and with the added Elite Damage, you should be able to one-shot Dreg Ragers on Damnation. I wager you could even do it without Warp Charges
This thing could actually one-shot Mutants if I hit them in the head
@gloomy gulch Give it a try in the Psykhanium, I want to see if you can one-shot Dreg Ragers without Warp Charges. Maybe Executor also procs when you smack them in the head?
It is a three hit combo after all
If you can't kill the Dreg Rager without Warp Charges though, see if you can do it in 4 Warp Charges or fewer.
The lower the better
@gloomy gulch Pinging for update 
gloomy gulch
I uh might have not looked at this chat and then rerolled maniac to block eff
uh oups sorry
gloomy gulch
sorry man
north cradle
The quest continues
What else is good on a Force Sword anyway? Melee Weak Spot Damage? Unyielding?
And probably Slaughterer for the second blessing
grave willow
Deflector
north cradle
Well that's a given
But if I wanted to get my optimum Force Sword, I'd want Warp Resistance as the dump stat, +Maniac, Deflector, and one other perk and blessing
zealous hinge
what level does the purgator staff unlock?
hazy warren
what level does the purgator staff unlock?
18 if i remember correctly
north cradle
Level 15
hazy warren
ah
deft trench
Hey so odd question, will a daemonhost follow you into those little decontamination chambers or whatever they're called?
The ones that need all 4 peeps in, then it closes and scans you
devout sentinel
What else is good on a Force Sword anyway? Melee Weak Spot Damage? Unyielding?
weakspot mani / weakspot flak. check breakpoints.
dmg blessings yep sadly slaughterer only and maybe unstable power (or uncanny)
north cradle
Just out of curiosity, is Flak damage for the tougher melee mobs?
lilac tapir
Hey so odd question, will a daemonhost follow you into those little decontaminat...
yes, I tried it once, BB from very far onto visible DH and it teleported right onto us
it was Difficulty 1 so we killed it easily
btw apparently you can 1 shot DH by closing door on it (the doors on some levels that you can open/close with a switch)
that works on damnation too... 🙂
devout sentinel
btw apparently you can 1 shot DH by closing door on it (the doors on some levels...
yep ppl abuse that for the penance
lilac tapir
you mean "kill monstrosity in 5 seconds"?
north cradle
Hey I did that yesterday
The boys and I were hunting for a Daemonhost and we got visited by a Beast of Nurgle, so us two Thunder Hammer boys whacked it to death while another dude was firing his Boltgun at it
Good times
lilac tapir
apparently shooting e barrel and knocking plague ogryn off a bridge also works
pine iris
haven't played or paid attention since xmas, what should I know?
north cradle
Brain Burst will now kill Ragers and Flamers on Heresy, Warp Charges fall off gradually
pine iris
great changes
I just saw something that autogun got buffed. that's good, they were bad
north cradle
Headhunter ones yeh
Penances are going great too
Only one left that requires me to actively change my playstyle, is Flawless Execution 3
I have a feeling that Purge The Heretic 5 is going to require I kill one million enemies
Nice now I can bless future axes
manic halo
and suggestions on which stafff is better here?
devout sentinel
@manic halo Check how much the cloud radius is of an difference on details.
north cradle
Second one for me
hazy warren
warp flurry is nice but yea the 2nd one is better overall
fierce sinew
second one is just better
inland sand
second
siblings
how we feeling post these 2 patches
Trauma staff so much fun now
anyone got any tip to share regarding what perks I should be aiming for on the Trauma?
north cradle
Flak and Crit?
inland sand
what does Crit do?
north cradle
Increased Crit damage, or Crit chance, depending on which one you want
inland sand
ofc but does it do anything special with the Trauma?
north cradle
Just more crit. But it already melts Unarmoured well enough
ornate hamlet
I would try going for Focused Channeling and Transfer peril
maiden wolf
I would try going for Focused Channeling and Transfer peril
Can the trauma hit weakspots with secondary attack?
long wharf
No
inland sand
the rending blessing with trauma seems like the BiS
magic burrow
I upgraded a good voidstrike staff and got the blessing that applies 1 stack of soulblaze on crit, which I thought was a complete memeroll. I started playing a bit with it after the patch, and now I find that with the easier upkeep on warp stacks, the odd soulblaze on crit combined with ascendant blaze means it's almost as good at keeping up stacks as purgatus, even with no additional crit and no communion or flayer
cloud heron
Have they said when the blessing patch will be?
cyan notch
next week no
clear heath
they said next patch but didn't say when that patch would come
take your bets, will the steam reviews get better or worse after the patch?
fierce sinew
who knows, the only people as deranged as the people writing steam reviews are the people that read them
they could do anything
rocky cedar
the rending blessing with trauma seems like the BiS
Rending (actually brittleness cause lol FS descriptions) and Warp Flurry are BiS IMO
Focused highly unnecessary
Just chuck out a part charge to make space for a full charge if you have to
rocky cedar
~~next week~~ no
If it isn't next week we're looking at March for crafting to be completed
They've been doing major patches pretty much fortnightly
So hoping for next week personally but zero expectations so I don't get burnt
fierce sinew
nobody who has been here this long thinks """next week""" means next week
rocky cedar
I'm very obviously aware
Was just pointing out that if it's not next week it's gonna be March, and that's getting silly as heck
maiden wolf
Is it just me or is the pinning fire bkessing for the autopistol really good? 20% power for every enemy you stagger up to 5 enemies means you'll almost always have at least +20% power against most enemies, and 100% power when mag dumping into a horde.
lethal folio
Yes double damage, cleave and stagger is good.
maiden wolf
I'm gonna laser focus that blessing as soon as my landlord fixes my karking internet.
I've already got autopistols with T4 inspiring barrage and T4 speedload.
AFAIK, Cavalcade and pinning fire are the best autopistol blessings.
Raking fire seems to situational to me, while powderburn seems really useless? The description says it makes your recoil worse in exchange for more suppression?
devout moon
So this is the Force sword I've been using, rate it