psyker-class

[ornate hamlet]

Pretty low bar

https://tenor.com/view/anime-laugh-gif-14348867

[empty wing]

Try it yourself

Join us

The ammo economy is obscene

It's like playing off-brand Vet with BB

[ornate hamlet]

But I already do that with the XII

[forest coral]

did relatively well 😄

[patent steeple]

i know i am a bit late to the conversation, but i should maybe remind you all that a laspistol is literally the psyker starting ranged weapon, so unless you get extremely lucky and manage to get a trauma staff immediately after unlocking it you are going to be a gun psyker for quite a while...

[cyan notch]

but why tho

[spice veldt]

for the gun subclass 10 years later; enjoy being happy for 10 years

[empty wing]

That's not true gun psyker

God I wish that push was on every ranged weapon

Or at least the autopistol

[chrome arch]

At which level does the Psyker unlock Purgatus (fire) staff?

[twilit flicker]

Is it weird that the psyker doesnt have access to their class specific weapons right from the beginning? I look at the Vet and others and they get what, another gun? A special type of gun.

Psykers should start with wands haha

[light quail]

im waiting for the day we get some new staffs

[twilit flicker]

Honestly would be awesome but really really want another melee option, personally

[spice veldt]

i dream of a single-target DPS staff

what, a single Force melee isn't enough for you? smh

[light quail]

could recycle some sienna staffs
beam staff into an ice beam (beam slows targets, charge shot is some kind of high velocity icicle with wacky crit/headshot dmg?)
corscation into a thunder one (close up, strong blast of thunder with an electric lingering zone to deploy)

[twilit flicker]

Dual knives please

Triple, with a head spike

And spikes on the shoes

Wait no, its getting too close to heresy

[light quail]

when the spark'ead is buzzin!

[crude talon]

I was memeing in heresy last night with a heavy las pistol. It was kinda fun

Also a decent trauma staff, that thing is kinda fun now

[light quail]

laspistol is surprisingly good on psyker

has a special shove that reaches about 10m or so

can trigger kinetic flayer(?) with more precision if BB cant lock onto them

[cyan notch]

i dont think thats a thing

[wet jacinth]

Lol..

Imagine pushes triggering flayer

[light quail]

maybe I mentioned the wrong talent

but its the one that can do BB on hit

[leaden thunder]

I think they didn't mean the pushes triggering it

[light quail]

pairs well with laspistol, funnily enough

[leaden thunder]

just shooting at things

[light quail]

thats what I was aiming at

brung the push up because its saved my ass from hounds and bursters more times than I can count with its range

also hits multiple targets, can be good for quickly disorienting stuff before going into melee

point being, damn laspistol is slept on

[leaden thunder]

cuase it's not good, it's better then people think but it's still not great

it's fun tho

[wet jacinth]

Most gunsykers take probably XII anyhow

Well. The good ones

[grizzled jasper]

You took my ammo bag sparky

[wet jacinth]

nah. You gotta use the voice line of Ogryn when he responds back
"OI NEEDED ET!"

[empty wing]

I take the Vraks VII

Because it's fun c:

[wet jacinth]

Its isnt a XII so idc really. And I mean this in a good way because I will unlikely ever touch it

[light quail]

XII overrated
if I wanted to run a lasgun i'd be on vet

laspistol is way more fitting for psyker

[wet jacinth]

That can be said about any gun on psyker

[light quail]

true
vet may have the better gun stats and better drip, but i'll be if it isnt fun being a space wizard with a gun

[empty wing]

The XII is probably the worst weapon, because you fall asleep halfway through using it

And asleep players do 0 DPS

That's just maffs

[leaden thunder]

I kinda like it sometimes

but I am lame

so idk

not on psyker or zealot tho

[light quail]

I prefer MGII when it comes to me lasguns

[wet jacinth]

That's personal experience frizzy

[empty wing]

XII is a fantastic sleep aid is all I'm sayin'

[wet jacinth]

Doesnt stop others from braindead using it

[light quail]

commissar build psyker is my goto
duelling sword laspistol

it just fits

[wet jacinth]

The emperor did give me a MGla variant with infernus and stagger on WP blessings the last I played

I forget the perks

[wet jacinth]

I didnt know psyker actually put their off hand to their back when meleeing

Unless that's a specific dueling sword

[still hearth]

It is

[wet jacinth]

It is

Vanessa

[still hearth]

It is me

[wet jacinth]

I'll probably just steal the infernus off the mgla

And put it on a different lasgun its applicable to

I forget the light variant of the Infantry lasguns

[light quail]

light variant is so forgotten

[wet jacinth]

But if I get a good one of those maybe

I actually like that one personally.

Though idk the name.

I still havent even touched the light variants of IAGs/Brautos

[leaden thunder]

they aren't great

the middle damage/speed ones are fine

but the fast firing ones feel like ass

[wet jacinth]

Depends

I'd have to use em myself

And if the ones I get even have nice rolls

[leaden thunder]

the Iag one feels like an smg

I assume the braced is similar

[wet jacinth]

I imagine the light Brauto is like a different Autopistol

But different modifiers

[rare furnace]

Oh no Vanessa became uwu pfp

[still hearth]

What

[long wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/meme-old-woman-on-fire-wat-whuut-gif-17112789

[rare furnace]

You had this before

[still hearth]

I still have that.

Probably something weird with phone discord

Since I've had this pfp for a long time for this server

[cyan notch]

yea

thats just server profile and status

sometimes it bugs and shows your actual main pfp

[strange wigeon]

got maleus

just had to share

feels good

had like 5 teams in a row where I asked if we could do it everyone agreed then one trolled

[cyan notch]

grats

[strange wigeon]

now just need the Sienna beginner experience one and all class penances done

[river sand]

1 question, why do ppl like the dueling sword so much? played a few round with a good rolled mk2 and well its fast but its terrible

[cyan notch]

zoom slides and decent horde clear

good mobility

[ornate hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/copium-cat-gif-27161395

[still hearth]

Mobility, okay hordeclear, can stab things outside their reach

I personally prefer the damage of Knife

[wet jacinth]

Mk2 iirc. Is the dueling sword with a moveset suited for hordes

4 hit light chain
2 diagonal Heavies

Mk4
3 hit light chain
2 Stab Heavies

Mk5
2 diagonal light hits into a Light vertical overhead swing.
2 vertical Overhead swings

[cyan notch]

mk2 is stab heavy1 and diagonal heavy 2

[wet jacinth]

Probably

I dont remember the names as well

[cyan notch]

what names

theyre just 245

[wet jacinth]

I'm not someone who just knows the Mks of all weapons like some

Mk2 is the one I've used the least as well

Strangely I dont remember heavy 1 being a stab hmm

Unless a certain light chain skips heavy 1 into heavy 2

[cyan notch]

they all have the eame name

[wet jacinth]

The

Mks

I dont even know the manufacturer name anyhow

I even said Mk2 is the one I've used the least

[empty wing]

I, too, hate dueling sword

Chainsword on all things. Even Ogryn. Give big man chensord pls

[wet jacinth]

Let Ogryn

Use his Fists

[forest coral]

[strange wigeon]

you can spam lights with bull butcher and say "vroom" with every slash

[empty wing]

It's the closest they have.

🥹

[idle bay]

https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/kinetic-deflection-disables-the-deflector-blessing-against-snipers/75140
Wait.. what?
It's possible to Block Sniper shot? 0_0

[uneven drift]

No.

[long wharf]

yes

but only if you are the target of the shot

the sniper attack isn't a projectile attack

it's an instant ray check that ignores shields/blockers

[idle bay]

But if that possibility of block via Deflctor blessing is intended mechanic?

100th mission of the week completed. Doing 25 weekly mission on 4 characters is exhausting....

[long wharf]

just like the ogryn's shield

it doesn't block a sniper shot unless the ogryn is the intended target

[idle bay]

So there are 2 mechanics that blocks it.. good to know.

[silk flax]

mk 2 sucks. Mk5 is what mostly everyone uses because of the dodge and mobility on it. It has a good heavy over head swing too.

[fossil snow]

the stikedown heavy is so much more useful than the stab imo, especially when it COMES with a stab special

what are your guys's usecases for the dueling sword special, im curious

[fossil snow]

isnt the theme of bulgryns you shall be the cover? why cant they cover?

[long wharf]

because FartShart incompetence

[silk flax]

With a 2 stack warp charge, I can 1 shot a flamethrower with a overhead heavy swing. Which is pretty nice. Basically what I'm rolling with for now. The PEN is low which only thing that kinda sucks

[shrewd grove]

wish it just told me what im missing

[silk flax]

You can. You have to look at the mission types and there is downward arrow that shows you what difficulty you've beaten the map on. This is basically only way to see what you still need to complete Heresy+ on. It's usually Repair that is the last one because there's only 1 mission type of that as of now.

[leaden thunder]

that's acount wide

[silk flax]

Oh really? Well rip. GL

[shrewd grove]

yeah it sucks 💀

[toxic walrus]

What feats for purgatus staff build? 3,2,1,1,1,3?

[still hearth]

322113 is probably what I'd run

Actually

Last should be 2

But it's a preference thing

[toxic walrus]

thanks!

[idle bay]

I hope next week i'll get it 🙂

[noble mason]

close!

[near wyvern]

I use 122232 and spam out 4 stack AB like an addict.

[idle bay]

I think i can handle 50 more Saturday and Sunday - but that's already unhealthy after 103 missions i did on this week already.

[near wyvern]

103 missions, let's say 25min run on average so that's 42.5 hours. A respectable work week.

50 more and we are looking at another 20 hours on top of it.

[idle bay]

I need to get myself busy with something while i'm on vacation...

[near wyvern]

Yeah pulling this off while working is pretty much the same as having two jobs.

Except having two jobs would respect you more for the time you put in. If you have fun in the game, sure, but IMO the grind isn't worth it when the only gain is through the RNG shops. Week 2 of still waiting for a couple combinations to appear for me. I even have the mats to instantly up to orange if I see a candidate but have not even seen that, so haven't played.

[fresh halo]

Only class-specific penance left is Going Out With A Bang, then it'll be smooth sailing from there on out.

[leaden thunder]

"class-specific"

[fresh halo]

Yes.

[leaden thunder]

can do it on vet if you want

[fresh halo]

Point taken

[leaden thunder]

thats how I got it

on accident

[fresh halo]

Hehe

I have a plan on how to get it

But I need Comms-Plex on Malice for that.

And technically not done with Class-specific penances, I'll have the "Do [X] of missions as [Class]" on Psyker/Ogryn/Zealot

But I don't count them, because they aren't objectives I have to go out of my way to get.

[covert ermine]

so loner psyker keeps talking about Five Rusty Spires... what is that all about?

[leaden thunder]

don't worry about it

[covert ermine]

NOW I AM ACTUALLY WORRIED

[light quail]

I think mike is the impostor

[winged phoenix]

Finally, it is done siblings!

I can finally stop feeling bad in pugs

[noble mason]

gz!

[frank talon]

https://tenor.com/view/were-not-worthy-waynes-world-worship-not-worthy-gif-15600896

[sinful stream]

Drip achieved

[idle bay]

Five Rusty Spires exactly or just Five?

[covert ermine]

exatly that

[idle bay]

Probably spoiler to paid DLC about second "LOST" Hive city on Atoma... though i can't comprehend how anyone can loose a MASSIVE KARKING HIVE CITY...

[covert ermine]

eh its warhammer

[west stream]

It's not really lost in that sense

[covert ermine]

there are planets with thousands of hive cities

[west stream]

afaik

[covert ermine]

so you can lost one or two safely

[west stream]

The psyker mentions they havent heard from it lately

and on asking about it Morrow tells them maybe they shouldn't ask that kind of question

so I am going to assume it ded in a way they dont want to get out

Thinking about it first attack used a train, so an entire hive being lost to nurgle wouldn't be too surprising. Gonna assume it's something different tho.

[leaden thunder]

if I am using psyhic communion on purge should I use kinetic overload instead of warp battery?

i figure not

but I am not super versed in psyker

[west stream]

warp battery is nice, works great with ascendant blaze

[blissful kestrel]

Purge you should almost always want to run warp battery (assuming you are running ascendant blaze).

[west stream]

And you should be running ascendant blaze anyway

(imo)

it has good synergy with you burning stuff

[leaden thunder]

oh yeah I have have ascendant

but I also have psychic communion so I figure I should either change that

or take kinetic overload to have a benefit from all the warp charges

[shrewd grove]

no deflector but it 2 shots crushers and other sht so 🧑‍🦯

[near gale]

Nice, I wouldn't use it because I only use force swords with deflector... since I only bring it for the ability to block ranged attacks. It's horde clear is so horrible that I just don't take it otherwise, because sometimes you have to use your melee for horde clear instead of your staff

[gaunt stone]

I think what makes me cringe about these penances is they are play incorrectly and be rewarded. My favorite is the kill youself to kill elite mobs 3 elite mobs.

[near gale]

Question: Which of these 2 dueling swords is better? It looks like the damage loss from the lower damage stat on the blue one is negligable

[fresh halo]

Any advice for Going Out With A Bang, Sibling ?

[winged phoenix]

Might not be the best advice, personally did it on Heresy as opposed to malice due to the increased elite count.

Had a spawn of around 4 shotgunners happen by chance on Enclavum baross - Roughly around where you drop for the one medicae station that always needs a power cell (After the bridge).

Happened to spot the spawn there, immediately ducked down to the right and hit behind some crates charging up my peril

I've heard some people swear by the Hab Dreyko method, but could never get that to work myself

Only damage I threw into the shotgunners was a love tap from a Voidstrike M1

[fresh halo]

I see

I got some info on trying that on Malice on the Comms-Plex map, because at some point while waiting for the Interrogator to do its job, 3-4 shotgunners will spawn from the room you came in from.

Also, is this sword any good ?

[winged phoenix]

Teammates will 100% be your biggest downfall in pug groups. Even if asking; trigger happy boys will pop them before you can even blow up.

If you can handle it, just grab a friend and go into a private lobby, should definitely make it a lot more handleable if they just help chorale the elites for you

[fresh halo]

And should I bother upgrading this one ?

[fresh halo]

Always.

[leaden thunder]

Slaughterer is always good

[fresh halo]

I wish I had a friend group to do this with. Used to have one, but we parted ways after one friend and I had multiple disagreements over numerous things.

Better to be alone than in bad company, I suppose.

[strange wigeon]

got it there(commsplex malice) 2 hours ago, just aske the team at the start and as soon as you finish event, the game will spawn either shotgunners or gunners, be ready at 90%peril so they don't scatter

so they will come from the stairs from where you enter the room when you finish the event AFTER you push the button so you also have time to tell the team in case they forgot

[velvet stratus]

Do the different voices have different prologues or is it all identical?

[fresh halo]

All voices have different voicelines in the prologue. I would know, I did some of them* to check the differences.

Was interested, had time on my hands and a character slot left, so thought why not.

*Did all male Veterans, the Agitator Zealot, Brawler Ogryn and Seer Psyker, because those are the current voices I use for my separate characters.

[fresh halo]

TL;DR : Cutscene's pretty much the same, but the dialogue they have in the tutorial itself changes.

Oh wait, did you mean like gameplay-wise... ? Because it is identical gameplay-wise.

[velvet stratus]

How does the dialogue change

[fresh halo]

Take for example the veterans; their first thoughts once dropping in the sewer while escaping in a Pox-ridden ship are as follows: Professional says something like "I might have been arrested, but I still have a duty to fulfill", Loose Cannon says something like "Yeah, alright, look at me being free, and now what ?", and the Cutthroat, in all his Cadian nature, says "I've survived Cadia. I'll survive this."

Honestly, if you have time and an open slot, I recommend doing them all.

Or at least, the ones you might have skipped by skipping the prologue. I skipped all of them since my first character was a Veteran Professional and I had done the tutorial with him, but I remade him to be a Loose Cannon, and so also skipped his prologue.

Other instance is when they teach you to do heavy attacks on Veteran. Professional says something about training, Cadian says something like "Oh Creed" (can't recall exactly), but the Loose Cannon just says "I like this shovel"

I just love the Loose Cannon.

He speaks to my very soul.

So yeah, if you have a slot open and some free time, do the prologue with throwaways with the voices you want to test, it takes 5-10 mins each, and honestly it's a fun experience.

[north cradle]

Is Duck And Dive bugged? I seem to get it without having it actually equipped

[pine relic]

Stacking Grim resistance is not bad at all.

[zealous hinge]

I've been playing Ogryn but I got him to 30 so I thought I would try the psyker, what are some tips to improve my combat prowess?

[north cradle]

Brain Burst the furthest specials away from your Veteran

Force Sword is great at killing Ragers

Prioritise Bulwarks

[fresh halo]

I wish that wasn't as true as it is, but it is. Playing with Veterans is like playing with a cat that follows your Brain Burst like a red dot.

No, Roughneck, the blue light is because I am trying to make their head explode, not that you should do so beforehand even when said target should not be your priority.

[wet jacinth]

Red/Orange outline tagged enemies.
Vet: no
Blue glowing head
Vets:

[silk flax]

Neither. MK5 reigns supreme

[wet jacinth]

https://tenor.com/view/jojo-anime-yes-yes-yes-yeah-its-a-yes-gif-17161748

[north cradle]

[fresh halo]

A veteran could have a Daemonhost chasing him and he'll still be like "Naaah, I'd rather shoot that karker that glows blue over there"

[late field]

QQ: is Wrack and Ruin worth taking. I can't see it doing anything.

[regal musk]

It does work. But the range is painfully low and the stack count is a joke.

[late field]

I figured 2 stack couldn't be enough, But i haven't seen the dmg numbers

[manic needle]

No, it's trash

[fresh halo]

I am pissed.

I want to headbutt whoever designed GOWAB

I personally hate that person.

[manic needle]

GOWAB?

[lethal folio]

Go Out With A Bang.

[manic needle]

Oh, yeah it's a conceptually stupid penance

[fresh halo]

If it wasn't 1 AM and I didn't live with another person in my appartment, you would hear me yell.

[manic needle]

If it's 1 AM where you live then you'd have to shout pretty loudly for me to hear you 😛

[fresh halo]

Do you live in my appartment ?

[manic needle]

Not unless your apartment spans multiple time zones

[fresh halo]

I do not care for my neighbours. The only reason as to why I care for said person is because they have a job they have to go to in less than 5 hours, and they're a family member.

Whoever thought that Going Out With A Bang was a good penance is a bellend with less braincells than he has toes.

I consider myself a fairly reasonable psyker skill-wise, and I can hold my own for a considerable amount of time against stupid odds, and teammates made to test me, but I have to physically restrain myself from not biting out the closest bit of my own flesh out of rage BECAUSE I HAVE TO BE A BLOODY BURDEN TO MY TEAM ON FUCKING PURPOSE.

The Warp is testing me, I swear to Beloved.

[manic needle]

Not just burden your team - almost every penance makes you do that in some way - but actually down yourself for a red shirt with a green belt

Kill yourself to become a Keebler elf

[fresh halo]

It's not even that you know, the cosmetic is cool, because it isn't, the Malleus Monstronum one is cooler and it is, oddly enough for something that requires you to single-handedly kill a Monstrosity by yourself using the only Career-related ability that can kill you (on Heresy or above, might I add), EASIER TO GET THAN ITS INFERIOR MALICE-RELATED COUNTERPART.

[velvet stratus]

Is there a way to make your character mute I'm starting to get sick of the my beloved voiceless

[fresh halo]

It's my last penance. I have done the 0 Ammo 0 Miss Veteran one. I have done the 6 Ogryns bowling pins one. I have done the Speedrun Death Itself one. I have also done said Monstrosity-related penance.

But for the love of my Beloved, this shit is the last penance I need to do, and it is:

• Doable with Luck

• Coordination (Good luck with pubs)

• Makes you look like a fucking idiot, because yes apparently, even when I have the Exterminatus Adept portrait, I am a bumbling idiot who doesn't know his craft.

• And makes you a burden to your entire team who would rather just do this fucking mission.

On the other hand, the other penance makes you keep all Warp charges you can have for 300s, which is approximately 5 minutes.

"So for your penances, you have to make a head explode every 20s or so, or you need to cosplay a guy with C4 strapped to his vest and hope you land on three bastards that can kill you so that you may get them with an attack that doesn't do enough damage to kill them outright."

"And you still die in the process."

[velvet stratus]

If I may play the devils advocate here for a bit

[fresh halo]

You may not.

I'm sorry, go ahead, Sibling.

Even if I feel like there is not redeeming point to whatever heresy this penance is.

[near gale]

Is this force sword any good? I was about to dismiss it as useless, because of the damage, but then I checked and even with 80% damage it wouldn't get that much more. That and most of it's damage is gotten from the warp attack.

I know the blessing is trash, as well, on it

[manic needle]

lol nope

[near gale]

This is the one I have been using... whenever I do use it.

[fresh halo]

Much better.

[manic needle]

ehhh

[velvet stratus]

I think the idea behind them being this absurd is that you're not supposed to go for them actively but instead get them after a long time of play accidentally

[manic needle]

First target is pretty important

[near gale]

At least I almost have positive dodge distance... >.>

[fresh halo]

Compared to the one shown before, you cannot deny that it is an upgrade.

[fresh halo]

Then locking your whole penance progress behind it is even worse.

[devout axle]

First Target > Damage. Warp Resistance < Everything else.

[near gale]

I don't use the force sword. The only reason I use a force sword is because of the deflector blessing. I hate the force sword with a passion.

[manic needle]

Its been too long since Ive looked at the numbers. Honestly the first one probably has better stats

Test out how much damage the special does in the meatgrinder

[near gale]

I am thinking about swapping the 20% unarmored damage to 20% block efficiency, honestly, on it. >.<'

[fresh halo]

My head hurts, now.

[broken quail]

I love it

[velvet stratus]

I've seen instances in the game of helmets applying a filter to the voice. Is there one which turns of your voice off?

[near gale]

Is Warp Flurry a good blessing for the surge staff? It feels really good to me, but, idk if it actually does all that much.

[manic needle]

Have they fixed it so that it actually works, now?

[fresh halo]

No, you are stuck with your voice.

[near gale]

idk if it works, but, it feels like it works when I have it on the staff even if it does nothing

[velvet stratus]

Is there a way to mute the voice lines all together?

[fresh halo]

Nope.

Callouts wouldn't work as well otherwise.

Your best bet would be to remake your Psyker with another voice.

[velvet stratus]

I already did that once

[mossy trench]

What are good melee weapons?

[velvet stratus]

Depends on the situation

[mossy trench]

Mh, is this decent? Seemed good

[velvet stratus]

The catachan swords are all shit

[mossy trench]

rip

chainswords?

[velvet stratus]

At what task compared to what?

[mossy trench]

Dunno honestly, I'm overall new to both the class and the game

[manic halo]

the more i play with these buffs the better psyker feels god damn

its insane

[mossy trench]

What about these two, which one is better?

[velvet stratus]

I prefer the mk4

[cyan notch]

the one with shred

[mild hornet]

so what's the feat build now with the changes?

for purgatus

[floral solstice]

pretty much the same, something like 121112, then change it a bit if you want something else

[late field]

Why Kinetic Deflection over Mind in Motion?

bc thats not the first time I've seen that build setup

[floral solstice]

better question is why ever use meme in motion

when you can just dodge to cover while quelling

or switch to a non-fs melee to passive quell

[late field]

🤔

[velvet stratus]

Because dodge count is limited and you need to quell as quickly as possible

[floral solstice]

lol 1-2 dodge slides is enough to get out of shit

[late field]

I have a tendency to quell on the run too, but I can see the up side of blocking and dodging with a passive quell

[floral solstice]

then by all means, use it

still inferior to the other two options

[velvet stratus]

How is it inferior? Kinetic deflection is useless unless you're running some scuffed build where you role play as the shield ogryn using the deflector blessing

[limber silo]

33% toughness damage reduction at MAX peril. Otherwise it's less

Kinetic Deflection lets you run a low stamina melee and block ogryns and ragers without breaking

Mind in Motion is just bad because sliding exists

[floral solstice]

he probably hasn't played a hi5 map where you get surrounded by mobs

that's why i stopped bothering to answer

[limber silo]

I think Kinetic Shield needs quite the buff to be viable. Mind in Motion is bad and always will be. It's a trap feat for players who don't utilize movement effectively

[lethal plover]

lordy did psykers really get buffed

[crude talon]

no that was a fever dream

[spice veldt]

kinetic shield is pretty good if you already don't have trouble with melee

[crude talon]

you're actually in a coma @lethal plover

[limber silo]

Kinetic Shield is a "at least it's something" perk

[spice veldt]

pretty much

[lethal plover]

how are things looking now for psykers

[limber silo]

Much nicer. WC aren't a chore anymore

[crude talon]

we are still made of wet toilet paper

but looking better!

[limber silo]

Brain Burst feels a bit better too

[crude talon]

ya bb buffs were nice

[limber silo]

Finally got a mk2 duelling sword and it slaps

[crude talon]

if they buffed it just a little more, we might get 2 BB crusher kills in Damnation 😄

[limber silo]

It even has rampage

[limber silo]

This is why I love the chainsword and fs. Does more damage than a bb and staggers if you use a heavy

[cyan notch]

idk bout chainsword

sometimes that shit doesnt stagger

[crude talon]

still 3 FS charged heavies to kill a crusher in damnation

same, but different

[limber silo]

You need to use heavy to stagger. Lights don't stagger for chainsword

[cyan notch]

i am using heavy

[limber silo]

Are you headshotting the crushers?

[cyan notch]

not all the time

[crude talon]

isnt chainsword heavy like, diagonal top to bottom?

[cyan notch]

yea

[limber silo]

It's a horizontal with a tilt

mostly horizontal

[cyan notch]

thats diagonal

[crude talon]

diagonal, with more steps

[cyan notch]

but thats besides the point anyway

[limber silo]

Alright, it is approximately a 160 degree angle swipe, better?

[cyan notch]

are you saying you have to heavy attack and headshot to stagger crushers?

no diagonal is better

[limber silo]

Diagonal implies more acute than that

[floral solstice]

chainsword head targeting feels kinda funky too

[limber silo]

diagonal imo is more of a 50-70 degree

[floral solstice]

at least compared to evisc

[limber silo]

it is sometimes

I just aim high

[cyan notch]

ok whatever it really doesnt matter

[limber silo]

It does tho

[cyan notch]

it doesnt matter with regard to what im asking

are you saying you have to heavy attack and headshot to stagger crushers?

[limber silo]

FS lights are more diagonal and they're significantly worse than chainsword heavies because of the angle. And yes, I consistently stagger with heavy headshots

[cyan notch]

first part is irrelevant nobody asked for that

but the second part is interesting

i dont know if i believe that

[limber silo]

"isnt chainsword heavy like, diagonal top to bottom?"
-KastPlays
and then we got into the argument

[cyan notch]

it is diagonal

[limber silo]

by the definition of the word, yes. But in practice it is better to treat it as a horizontal swipe. Makes all the difference in crowd situations

[cyan notch]

sure but we all know that

[limber silo]

Not everyone is as smart as that

[cyan notch]

???

[spice veldt]

eh, the only true horizontals I'd consider are catachans, power sword, push-attack on certain weapons, etc.

[velvet stratus]

That's kinetic shield not kinetic deflection

[limber silo]

Look man, 98% of people are absolutely brain dead

[limber silo]

Also look at the comment directly below the one you quoted

[spice veldt]

and the differentiator is the fact that true horizontals will hit at the same head level

whereas diagonals are really only going to hit heads in a certain area

[limber silo]

yep, slight tilts are still acceptable imo. 3 headshots in a swipe is pretty decent imo

I personally believe that chainswords are good for psykers because they have better crowd clear than fs, have a single target option, and don't need kinetic deflection but can still use it. Also they aren't force, so auto quell go brrr

Only bad part about chainswords is the worst push attack in the entire game.

[lethal plover]

you can also just use mk5 axe with the best push atk in the game

[limber silo]

Yeah, I don't like axes. I don't have a better reason

[cyan notch]

i was using chainsword but ran into problems with special not consistently staggering compared to fs

and push attack spam is pretty garbage

[limber silo]

Yeah I was too, until I realized you need heavy to stagger most enemies and heavy headshots to stagger crushers

I have a BM mk5, I just think it's cheesy

[lethal plover]

that's okay when enemies are alone
but crushers are often parts of a giant group so in practice I prefer to kill from afar

[limber silo]

My answer to crushers is usually surge or let the zealot go nuts

[cyan notch]

i mainly need chainsword as a single target nuke and the abysmal special compared to fs and worse utility without deflector and force push makes me just use fs instead

[limber silo]

Fs definitely has those benefits. I love the fs, but auto quell is very nice. I can ignore quell speed when I use chainsword

I have purge and surge staff both with 75-80s in most stats EXCEPT quell speed which is mid 30s

Also Deflector is absolutely amazing, but nothing a wall can't fix

[cyan notch]

not when shotgunners come out from a hole in the wall

[velvet stratus]

Both of those can be dealt with by dodging backwards

[limber silo]

Can't argue with that

block tanking is much more consistent with kinetic deflection. You can actually tank dh and plague ogryns with it

I find it invaluable for when I work myself into a bad spot and need to wait for someone smarter to save me

I think psyker is funny tho because they're the squishiest mfers alive, yet the have one of the strongest melee weapons in the game

It's a mix up between power sword and force sword imo

[spice veldt]

we're squishy, but we also have the lowest stamina regen delay

it's pretty evident that our defense is active rather than passive

[limber silo]

true

[spice veldt]

especially since our class melee has a great push economy

[limber silo]

Our tankiness come from killing lots of stuff really fast and keeping scary things off of us

Force Sword Pros:
Best push in the game,
Amazing single target attack
UNLIMITED dodges

Cons:
Have to work for crowd clear
Mid push attack

[spice veldt]

with warp absorption maybe; I want the 2-handed Force Swords to have a normal attack buff like the power sword does so that we can actually take advantage of warp absorption fully

[limber silo]

I want a deamonhammer

Give me psychic bonk powers

I want the ability to hit a mauler in the head, rattle his brain, then turn it into soup with psychic energy

[velvet stratus]

Why would you want to? If you have a plague ogryn coming coming at you than your job is to find an obstacle and kite around it.

[spice veldt]

maybe when they release a new subclass, new psyker weapons, and can finally stop having to balance around brain burst

[limber silo]

Shitty block penance

No ogryn to tank dh

Gits and shiggles

[proper elbow]

I'm a brand new psyker that just hit level 30, so far I havent really had any indepth discussion about the class with anyone. Looking to catch up now that Im 30 and stuff is within reach

[spice veldt]

only practical usage of KD is for assassination bosses imo

[proper elbow]

What kind of staves should I be looking at getting and how should I build them out?

[spice veldt]

all staffs are very viable; though purgatus notably stands above the rest

[limber silo]

Basically all staves are viable. Surge and purge are the most viable tho

[floral solstice]

is wolfrat still going on about mind in motion being better than KD lol

[proper elbow]

I got emperor's gifted this one, is it damnation viable? What should I refine it to?

[limber silo]

Surge for control, purge for crowds

[spice veldt]

purgatus is one of those weapons where stats don't really matter, but it sure helps to have Burn and Cloud Radius

[limber silo]

Purge staff is fine because it doesn't need great stats to do good

[spice veldt]

so your staff looks pretty decent

[zealous hinge]

which staff shoots the flames?

[spice veldt]

just kill commons, make sure not to get downed, don't get overly greedy, etc.

[velvet stratus]

Don't use the trauma staff the rest have their uses

[proper elbow]

Purgatus, the one pictured

[spice veldt]

trauma staff is fine

just don't use trauma as your main horde clear

treat it like the Surge staff

[proper elbow]

I've done a few damns already with trauma staff, whats it considered to be behind curve on?

[limber silo]

trauma is just annoying for allies

[proper elbow]

It seems to do well when you place it under elite packs

[limber silo]

dps, range, aoe

[velvet stratus]

What?

[spice veldt]

yeah, trauma is for sniping elites in hordes

[limber silo]

generally a nuisance due to fling enemies around the place

[spice veldt]

e.g., staggering a crusher into your teammates so that they can wham on it

especially if your team comp's only anti-armor is melee

[limber silo]

Trauma staff is not bad. It's just not as good as the others. Big difference

[proper elbow]

I assume I'll want to reroll the +1 stamina on my Purg staff. What would be a good stat to look for?

[limber silo]

Crit chance

[proper elbow]

It already has crit chance as its other stat

[spice veldt]

i'd say it's on par with surge and void

[limber silo]

oops

[spice veldt]

broadly speaking

[limber silo]

flak maybe?

I could see unyielding or carapace being nice since you can get phat stacks on them

[cyan notch]

carapace sucks

[proper elbow]

I was under the impression I did virtually no damage to carapace

And that upgrading 0 damage to 1 damage wasnt worth a perk

[limber silo]

The burn does damage, but blooddrunk is prolly right

[spice veldt]

soulblaze has neutered scaling against carapace (Crushers), yep

[limber silo]

damn

[spice veldt]

and we don't have armor ignore like zealots

[cyan notch]

nah burn and direct flame does next to nothing to carapace

[proper elbow]

If its like the zealot's flamer it barely tickles them

ANd at least zealots can F

[cyan notch]

they do like 20 damage per tick at max stacks

[limber silo]

so what do you recommend other than flak?

[spice veldt]

since you already have crit, that perk slot is a flex slot, so you can run whatever you want at any time

[velvet stratus]

It'd be faster to just use the brainburst at that poin

[spice veldt]

takes 4 BBs on damnation

[cyan notch]

flak for scab dudes and ragers and maulers or u can have unyielding for ogryns and monstrosities

[spice veldt]

that's about 12 seconds of being useless to my team

when I can just trauma staff, force sword special, and have my team wham on it

and trauma is still pretty decent at clearing hordes within the epicentre

[limber silo]

fall off is still pretty bad last time I checked

[spice veldt]

with a damage boost (+infested, psykinetic's wrath, etc.), you will one-shot poxwalkers with a full charge

[velvet stratus]

Didn't it take 3?

[spice veldt]

yeah, it does like 30 dmg in the outer radius

[limber silo]

that sucks. Biggest benefit for trauma is the rending blessing

[spice veldt]

i'm pretty sure they have more than 2.4k hp, and BB deals 825 or 875 dmg

[cyan notch]

yea crushers are 3 on damnation

[spice veldt]

huh

[proper elbow]

With the warp siphon buff and 6 stacks I can nearly kill one in two, it just has a lil bit left

[spice veldt]

i'm probably remembering from when I BB crushers from a distance pre-patch then

because I never BB them up close when I usually have warp charges

[limber silo]

I'm gonna be honest, I feel kinda bad going for crushers at all when everyone can kill them much faster than us

[cyan notch]

not really

[spice veldt]

to be fair, the only classes with ranged anti-armor is zealot and veteran

[cyan notch]

you can 3 shot and stun lock em from any distance

[spice veldt]

unless you have a bolter/plasmagun on your team, there's no reason not to go for crushers

[cyan notch]

other classes have to get close

[limber silo]

Don't ogryn boxes kill them fast? And zealots can pop ult and kill them quickly. veterans can just kill anything that isn't a trash mob faster than a bb

I use bb on crushers so that others can kill them more safely, not to actually kill them

[cyan notch]

ogryn boxes are limited and zealots can pop ult but they have to get close and vets can kill trash sure but this is about crushers and if they dont have a bolter or plasma they aint doing shit

[spice veldt]

vet doesn't have innate anti-armor on ult

[floral solstice]

pretty sure ogryn boxes do shit damage to crushers

[cyan notch]

yea i think thats correct

[limber silo]

No, I meant that a good vet is killing all elites and specials faster than I can bb

[spice veldt]

bolter, plasmagun, and helbore are the ranged anti-armor

[floral solstice]

but they can 1 shot reapers with headshot iirc

[cyan notch]

i thought hellbore was tagged as bugged lmao

like they do absurd carapace numbers

[limber silo]

I think Helbore is supposed to be good against armor

[cyan notch]

https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/helbore-lasgun-charged-shot-does-excessive-damage-to-carapace-and-unyielding-armor/69417

[lethal folio]

That's just a display bug.

[limber silo]

hmm. Don't change it. Otherwise helbore will fall to the wayside

[spice veldt]

interesting

[lethal folio]

Hellbore armour mod scales with charge.

[limber silo]

Helbore is good because it fucks up EVERYTHING as long as you can invest the time and sacrifice to crowd clear

Which should honestly be left to the rest of us

[proper elbow]

The helbore is good?

Thats the first I've heard of that

[limber silo]

Helbore is good, just quirky

same with plasma

[spice veldt]

i hate the sights

[limber silo]

the delay on shot takes getting used to, and the sights for every gun except infantry lasgun suck

[proper elbow]

So my purgie staff is good as is

[limber silo]

definitely

my one issue with purge is the lack of range, but bb can handle that

[proper elbow]

Where do most people land on the melee weapon slot? I got a pretty decent force sword emp gifted to me but I also got lucky and got a brutal momentum/shred taxe with good rolls

If it matters I'm running the 6 stack siphon build

[cyan notch]

pick whatever your staff is bad at

[spice veldt]

with purg, it doesn't usually matter what melee you pick

[limber silo]

melee is mostly personal preference with us

I like chainsword, fs, mk2 duelling

[proper elbow]

So with purg maybe a force sword to help with tankier guys?

[limber silo]

mk5 combat axe is just op, so

Sure, why not

[devout axle]

tbh, you are usually just using BB on tankier enemies now.

Force Sword is great in Assassination missions tho

[limber silo]

I use my melee mostly as a way to reduce peril w/o actively quelling

[spice veldt]

eh, i'd prefer something with more stamina bars on assassination missions

[limber silo]

maintain dps while cooling

[spice veldt]

well i guess most people run kinetic deflection anyways

[limber silo]

It doesn't matter how much stamina you have if you havea medkit and a dream

[devout axle]

And a Force Sword that does almost a 3rd of the assassination bosses health with a single heavy special.

[limber silo]

I literally just drop a medkit between the boss and the wall and wail on the boss

[spice veldt]

i think the max hp dmg you can do to assassination bosses is capped at 20% right?

[limber silo]

and fs special heavy does obliterate that idiot

you can phase skip with it

[devout axle]

I don't know exactly how much it does. I just see a massive chunk of its health go bye bye.

You can also deal some damage into the next phase, if he was already close to the end of the current one when your special landed.

[limber silo]

Break shield, special heavy, shield back up before boss can get a single attack off. Repeat.

FS special does STUPID damage.

[spice veldt]

*against flak

[limber silo]

doesn't the boss wear flak tho?

[spice veldt]

yeah

that's my point

[limber silo]

ah

[velvet stratus]

Onto a previously mentioned topic

How is the trauma staff useful?

[spice veldt]

pretty decent at killing ranged while providing CC

if a mixed horde comes upon my team, and no one has a bolter/plasmagun, I stagger crushers into my team (or at least I try to)

[velvet stratus]

It'd be faster to just use your ult

[spice veldt]

since crushers will eat the cleave of weapons anyways, so it's better to have them on the ground

the point isn't to stagger them

it's to isolate them

[manic halo]

any suggestions on what staff to be brining into higher difficulties?

4-5 specifically

[velvet stratus]

Flamer or Palpatine

[spice veldt]

I like playing melee, so I exclusively run trauma

[manic halo]

ay ok

[spice veldt]

if you want to be the best, purg is staff to go for

[pine relic]

Surge staff is very good against armor enemies, but otherwise, you can barely kill pox walkers with it.

[velvet stratus]

Surge staff is for stunning specials

[pine relic]

Makes your game boring also.

[half iron]

fire is cuter

[pine relic]

It actually can kill any flak armor enemies relatively fast, especially those annoying ones, for example, stalkers, shotgunners, and ragers.

[half iron]

and the fire is blue

[pine relic]

They usually show up in small groups, you can kill them with two fully charged heavy attacks.

[near gale]

It melts groups of scab basic gunners

[pine relic]

But it's quite boring to play tbh, and psykers don't have any good horde clear melee weapons.

You basically just use the dueling sword hold the horde long enough and wait for your teammates to come to help you.

[vagrant furnace]

purgatus

[frosty mulch]

After the patches is the force sword still worth it for deflector?

[spice veldt]

deflector is nice but its worth depends on your playstyle

for me, I like to run into ranged enemies, and since solo privates aren't out yet, I need a way to get out of the situation without griefing my team

[vagrant furnace]

force sword is good with purgatus staff, gives you a complete kit

dogs are easy with this combo, you lmb them once, they are stunned, you charge force sword, hit them, they are dead

(damnation dogs)

[cyan notch]

have to headshot with lights

[frosty mulch]

I do the classic play style of oh, I shouldn't have done that. Recently I have been using the void staff because the random people I have been paired with can't cover range lately. Like not at all. I used to use the purgatus with a saber, but range is eating me up because no one is taking care of them lately.

[pine relic]

If you see two other psykers, quit and find a new game.

[frosty mulch]

I have played damnation with four psykers and we owned the map. It was beautiful.

[vagrant furnace]

i did some 4 psykers damnation runs and they were a walk in the park

[frosty mulch]

Yeah, just depends

[limber silo]

What is this Surge blessing I'm seeing on gameslantern? It says 2 shots on crit

[spice veldt]

just a super rare blessing that makes you shoot another LMB on an LMB crit

does not apply to RMB

[limber silo]

damn

never seen it, seems kinda mid

[pine relic]

Most players I met are not very skillful, I ended up playing a psyker clutch and dying in the end because it's not a clutch class. so I always quit if I see games with two other psykers.

[limber silo]

Bro, just clutch up lol

[vagrant furnace]

psyker is not very clutch that's true but you can definitively carry games

[limber silo]

But pubs is never a place to expect skill

This is the truth for all games

[pine relic]

I don't know what maps you guys are playing, many maps have massive shooters, it's just terrible to play with other psykers. I always got exhausted in the end even if we finished the game.

[spice veldt]

yeah; it's why i specifically opt for an anti-ranged build

[vagrant furnace]

just have to be patient and bb them, of course with a competent sharpshooter it will be faster

you should be doing BB all the time anyway when you're not using your staff

[limber silo]

I absolutely hate the desert map. Everytime, without fail, a mutant throws me off those fucking buildings into the bottom area

[spice veldt]

ehhhhhh

[limber silo]

too many open spaces

[spice veldt]

depends

if there's a lot of cover, I'm just gonna run the shooters down with melee

[pine relic]

the open area with enemies coming from all directions are always the hardest part.

[limber silo]

Even with the buffs, I avoid bbs because they're slow

I usually only bb to maintain stacks or hit enemies that don't take damage from my weapons easily

[manic halo]

thats why i used the quick BB talent

[vagrant furnace]

they are slow but they are hitscan

and that's powerfull

[manic halo]

just build up my 6 warp charges for break points and stuff

[limber silo]

I use AB rn because I use purge

I bb snipers, bulwarks, crushers, and anyone outside of 16m

[pine relic]

I always ended up with almost 3000 kills at that refinery delta-17, at regular intensity.

[limber silo]

anyone inside 16m get the brainfire

[manic halo]

is this a good staff

[spice veldt]

trauma staff relies heavily on stats

[limber silo]

How do you think psykers make psychic fire? Think spicy thoughts?

[spice veldt]

especially Charge Rate and Blast Radius

since charge rate scales from 2.50 to 1.00

[manic halo]

oh truely?

[pine relic]

Even with good stats the Trauma staff is not a good option.

[manic halo]

so I should be aiming for staffs that are high in that area

[spice veldt]

for trauma, at least

[manic halo]

I enjoy it so much more than the lightning haha

[spice veldt]

voidstrike has more sane scaling on charge rate and whatnot, surge doesn't care about stats, etc.

[limber silo]

Basically, 350 raw and up is good.

Some weapons rely less on raw stats though, like purge

[spice veldt]

it's pretty much only the equinox staffs that care about stats

[limber silo]

you'll have to recognize what are the more important stats though to figure out what you can sacrifice

[manic halo]

what makes trauma not as good?

[limber silo]

Damage fall off is high, throws enemies making cleave harder for allies, range, etc.

[manic halo]

ohh

[vagrant furnace]

trauma damage is not that good and bad vs horde

[spice veldt]

it's usually not a good idea to use trauma as your main hordeclear

[manic halo]

I always enjoyed the throwing groups to take pressure off people

[spice veldt]

unless you're the last player alive

[limber silo]

Surge is better cc, purge is better aoe, voidstrike does better damage and doesn't fling everyone

[spice veldt]

or enemies are funneled somewhere

but it has its uses, such as fighting mixed hordes

[limber silo]

Think of it this way: if the enemy is over there, I can't kill them. If I can't kill them, I don't regen toughness

[pine relic]

It does very little damage against elites and specials in the horde, why not just use purgatus to kill everything?

[spice veldt]

for fun

i've already used purg for about 350 hours

i think it's only fair that I want to use something else

[vagrant furnace]

its an "i play with friends" staff

[limber silo]

Purgatus is the "I don't want anyone else to be able to see the screen," staff

[vagrant furnace]

not good in pug

[spice veldt]

it's fine in pubs as long as you don't use it as your only weapon

[pine relic]

The thing is using Trauma also blinds your melee teammates.

[limber silo]

"Boy howdy, I sure do love the color white. I wish my entire screen was white. I wish everyone's screen was completely white."
Purgatus Staff:

[vagrant furnace]

its a great staff if you have a flamer zealot in your team tho

[fierce sinew]

most pugs using trauma are actively trolling their teammates

using it on a choke the horde is already funneled into getting purged because they want to see the gib effects, kill 2 mobs in the middle and fling the rest everywhere (including behind you)

[pine relic]

It's even worst than purgatus because it causes serious fps drop.

[spice veldt]

yeah; I only ever use it at points where enemies drop down or climb up if it's a pure horde

[fierce sinew]

it can be used well but it's a much higher spatial reasoning check than the other staves, and most of the degenerates shilling it don't pass

[limber silo]

Basically, trauma is a staff that throws enemies everywhere, without killing most of them

[spice veldt]

though it will one-shot most enemies if you fully charge it, which is why I consider charge rate to be pretty important

since i think most trauma staff users just get impatient

[pine relic]

It kills poxwalkers, but ragers will get to you eventually then you will have to run.

[limber silo]

It will oneshot most enemies IF they are in the center

[velvet stratus]

If a staffs only upside is occasionally ledging hordes than it's a bad staff

[spice veldt]

yeah, and it only throws poxwalkers and groaners around

for enemies like shooters/bruisers/stalkers, it only staggers them in-place

[limber silo]

It's a really cool concept, but just as a concept

[fierce sinew]

the radius of the area that does meaningful damage is small compared to the area that flings them everywhere, regardless of stat spread

[spice veldt]

the blast radius is pretty decent, especially when compared to other explosion weapons

[limber silo]

only when fully charged

I don't need to fully charge any other staff, but I absolutely do with trauma

[spice veldt]

yeah, which is why an 80% stat is important; I also have t3 warp flurry on it

[fierce sinew]

the purgatus staff obscures vision, but most of the things in the fire are very shortly not going to be around to bother anyone anyway. The things trauma hides from you could be anywhere when your frames return to normal

[safe crystal]

Trauma needs either the force damage increase from 2nd tier talent, or poxwalkers damage increase as perk to kill them on damnation. Doesnt matter what your charge is, it will deal just below 300 on full charge on max damage roll. If you feel like running it, keep that in mind

[spice veldt]

I run quietude, so I avoid using inner tranquility

[limber silo]

I find quietude restricting on weapon choice

[safe crystal]

Also, aim at the front or the sides of the horde if you're using it against them, not at the center

[spice veldt]

eh, i think quietude is one of the more "flexible" toughness feats

i also run a low warp res force sword in conjunction

though I have a very constrained and specific playstyle

[limber silo]

I need either decent quell speed or something with transfer peril

Like a good voidstrike

[spice veldt]

eh, I just use my melee during hordes

that way, I can get away with losing toughness during those sections

[velvet stratus]

Run staff which throws the hoard around you.
Run primary with only vertical strikes.

[pine relic]

are you guys satisfied with psyker's performance at damnation?

[limber silo]

FS has decentish crowd clear

[spice veldt]

I have a t3 slaughterer force sword that hits the breakpoints on poxwalker headshots

[vagrant furnace]

absolutely

[spice veldt]

i also QQ swap with a light->heavy combo

[limber silo]

light - heavy - light - repeat

[spice veldt]

it's not too bad

light -> heavy -> light to get slaughterer stacks, then switch to light->heavy once you have enough damage to maintain stacks with diagonal attacks

[limber silo]

additionally, FS has the best push in game, so it's still decent with hordes

[spice veldt]

i think the push is the same as other weapons; maybe marginally higher stagger strength than some weapons like the knife

but it only costs 1 stamina bar

[vagrant furnace]

psyker is a powerhouse if you dont take useless risks and have great positioning

[limber silo]

it's just much larger than most

[velvet stratus]

The only psyker weapon with worse hoard clear is the axe

[limber silo]

it can push more enemies than anything else imo

[limber silo]

you forget that the knife exists

[spice veldt]

duelling swords as well

[velvet stratus]

The dueling swords have better hosrd clear

[spice veldt]

I believe the force sword 2nd heavy cleaves 5 enemies? I forget if lights and heavies have the same cleave count; haven't tested in a while

[limber silo]

2nd heavy is a crowd clear power house

[spice veldt]

not that it does jack damage, but it helps with staggering enemies with slaughterer stacks

[limber silo]

Duelling swords are actually pretty good for hordes as well since they have diagonals instead of verticals and rampage

[velvet stratus]

The knife doesn't kill them instantly but has a wider light arc and inflicts bleed

[spice veldt]

bleeds not that impactful unless you stack it for some time

[limber silo]

Knife has less range, worse damage, doesn't even kill most enemies in one hit. What is your argument standing on?

[spice veldt]

it's the same reason why Blazing Spirit is considered pretty niche

have you used a slaughterer force sword?

keep in mind that force sword's stats scale its damage quite heavily

[limber silo]

I don't have a slaughter fs, but I want one

[fierce sinew]

finesse especially

[limber silo]

I have deflector, but I rely on that less as I get better

[spice veldt]

yeah, I barely use deflector nowadays

thought I used to use it a lot early on

[limber silo]

I remember being excited that fs can quell, but now I realize that's actually worse than just auto quelling

[spice veldt]

well, that's also partially because I swapped into a toughness kinetic shield build, so I don't really need it as much

yeah, it sucks; though I like the fact that it's a sticky activation weapon

I don't like the chainsword because of the shitty hitbox system that gimps it from hitting heads

and I already run psykinetic's wrath for my staff, so I might as well pick the FS

[limber silo]

Chainsword's lights could use some work. The heavies are consistent in my experience

[pine relic]

Unfortunately, FS has terrible critical rate.

[spice veldt]

do crits affect cleave?

[limber silo]

Yep

[pine relic]

It barely crit even with tier 4 shred.

[spice veldt]

i thought they only applied a damage bonus and anti-armor

interesting

[limber silo]

Crits cleave better

[cyan notch]

its not a fs thing

[limber silo]

Most weapons have a 5% crit chance with some exceptions and some weapons have crit bonus for a stat

[pine relic]

It has a blessing that can apply soul blaze if crit

[limber silo]

yes, I understand that, but the issue is most things are dead by the time soulblaze matters

[spice veldt]

yeah, but Blazing Spirit is pretty niche even if FS had 100% flat crit chance

+4 per hit up to 12 stacks

at t4

[limber silo]

The issue is not the crit rate, it's the usage of FS that doesn't synergize

[cyan notch]

if it did it could proc ascendant blaze

itd be pretty good

[limber silo]

I use FS to kill elites and specials quickly and the heavies kill most trash quickly too.

[spice veldt]

true, I guess using it to get stacks for AB might work?

[limber silo]

I am not going to crit an enemy and watch him burn for a 10%chance to get a WC

[cyan notch]

you can just kill em

dont need to wait for them to burn out

[limber silo]

but if I remember correctly AB applies regardless of death trigger, just as long as they're on fire, and you killed them, right?

[pine relic]

I do believe psyker's damage is not enough at damnation. It used to need three BB to kill mutants at heresy, now it needs three BB to kill mutants at damnation.

[spice veldt]

well yeah, BB's not intended to be a DPS weapon

[cyan notch]

mutants have a ton of hp

youre incentivised to melee it

[spice veldt]

mutants have a 3x dmg multiplier by melee

so there's a clear method with how we should be dealing with them

[safe crystal]

Why would you BB a mutant anyway? They die in one heavy special FS hit to the head

[spice veldt]

even then, our lack of DPS is just because of a lack of DPS ranged weapons besides guns

so just an equipment issue

[limber silo]

They die to one to the back if your whole team isn't ignoring the speeding meatball

[dusty zenith]

head's got a small hitbox so more often a heavy special and then a light special on the body does the trick

[safe crystal]

True

[spice veldt]

it also has a wonky hitbox where you can hit the head from the back sometimes

[pine relic]

The thing is, if you can't kill a mutant with at most two BB, a horde with a mutant is a death sentence for you.,

[limber silo]

Is that the hitbox that makes me stare at the floor when I swing to high?

[spice veldt]

not really, just kite the horde with your CC staffs and melee the mutant

I've handled mutants during a horde as the last player alive

it's not that bad once you get that practice in

[safe crystal]

Or push the horde down with your F while you deal with the mutant, its not rocket science

[spice veldt]

i'm sure it'll be fine once solo privates get released so that you can practice

[pine relic]

That's not practical if you are actually the last one standing.

[spice veldt]

sure it is

the mutant is faster than the horde

[vagrant furnace]

did you tried with a good purgatus staff? because hell no

[cyan notch]

and the mutant knocks down the horde for you

[vagrant furnace]

let me tell you psyker damage with purgatus can be insane

[spice veldt]

even in a corner, as long as you have a modicum of space to dodge the mutant, you can land a few hits on the mutant

[dusty zenith]

ascendant blaze with 6 charges can kill the whole horde while you BB the mutant once when its far, and then finish it off with the forcesword when its near

[cyan notch]

nice

[limber silo]

same with voidstrike if you can head snipe hordes

[cyan notch]

never play a single minute more

[pine relic]

nvm, it's pointless to discuss something like this in a chat.

[vagrant furnace]

we having a decent discussion here

[spice veldt]

true, our ult also give us space

[vagrant furnace]

im just pointing my argument

you are saying psyker's damage in damnation is bad

[spice veldt]

single-target DPS besides melee against armor is terrible, which is true

[limber silo]

Imo psyker ult sucks

[vagrant furnace]

im saying with purgatus its great

nothing to be offended

[limber silo]

Doesn't push nearly hard enough

[spice veldt]

strength scales with warp charges

[cyan notch]

its a 30m push idk i think its pretty good

[spice veldt]

it's fine even with 0 warp charges

gives you a bit of space and quells 50%

[limber silo]

I want those heretics turning into goddamn birds

[spice veldt]

could be better, but that's what the lvl30 feats are for (besides Quicken)

[pine relic]

Well, I always clutch and die that's why I'm saying most of the time you won't survive that combo.

[limber silo]

It's an ult for pete's sake

[spice veldt]

if it's just a horde and mutant, it's not too bad

[fierce sinew]

if you're dying did you really clutch

[spice veldt]

if it's a mixed horde + mutant, it might be harder

[dusty zenith]

have you tried ascendant blaze with 6 charges? it works quite well in this situation

[pine relic]

I said a horde and a mutant but you should know it's definitely more than that in the real game.

[limber silo]

AB makes the ult feel better, Barrage just completely ignore the ult and makes bb the ult, Quicken is trash

[fierce sinew]

AB shout might as well be a "play teammate damage compliment voiceline" button

[spice veldt]

even then, mutant is faster than every enemy except poxhound off the top of my head

and poxhounds are sketchy by themselves anyways

i just run ahead of the horde to get some slight space, and the mutant staggers commons around it

if I don't have space, then it gets very rough

[fierce sinew]

mutants die by themselves in a horde, you don't have to do anything different other than dodge them

[limber silo]

AB is best used as "There is a horde behind me and in front of me. I can only look at one of them, so I'll yell at this one and shoot the other"

[fierce sinew]

flame them, antax push cut them, whatever you're doing to the horde

[spice veldt]

I also let my stamina fill up so I can push hordes for space

[fierce sinew]

just don't get grabbed and the problem goes away

[manic halo]

true

[pine relic]

when you are using the FS, the short dodge distance and a single poxwalker block you, you will be grabbed, and a few more hits from poxwalker, game over.

[manic halo]

get better at the game idiot smh

[spice veldt]

grab a FS with better mobility

[dusty zenith]

elliot at these kind of moments where you need to clutch there is no ideal situation, but because you said a horde and a mutant we responded with ascendant blaze and then forcesword, if you're in a mixed horde situation you can push most things away with the forcesword's push attack

[limber silo]

yeah bro, the hitboxes are accurate and not bullshit ever this is perfect advice

[fierce sinew]

FS dodge distance is cheeks, but if that's what you were using to horde clear your build is also cheeks

[cyan notch]

just dont get blocked by trash

[manic halo]

what stats should I be looking for in a good void staff?

[fierce sinew]

you can dodge them with your staff out

[dusty zenith]

elites and ogryns get knocked on their ass with a push attack

[limber silo]

damage, blast radius

[dusty zenith]

gives you enough time to do "something"

[pine relic]

Guys, that's why I don't want to discuss it, it's really easier said than done you know?

[cyan notch]

i dont think so

[spice veldt]

yeah, which is why i said you'll get practice once solo privates are released

[cyan notch]

its pretty easy to do and say

[fierce sinew]

I think it's fairly easily done as well

[pine relic]

yeah.

good night, I'm gonna go sleep.

[limber silo]

The only time charging the void is important is with beefier enemies in a horde and if you can hit headshots. Otherwise an uncharged secondary kills most trash with a headshot

[manic halo]

ah ok thanks

[limber silo]

Warp resist is good for sustained fire, quell speed is unecessary imo if you have a non-force melee

Void's weakness imo is ragers and ogryns since it stops the blast

[manic halo]

ay, im just using it cause its far more satisfying to use

[limber silo]

Very true, I feel like I'm just shooting cannonballs

[velvet stratus]

Quell speed can be nice if you're in a pinch

[limber silo]

Quell speed is nice, not necessary

I am not in any hurry to find a 80% quell staff. It would be nice tho

Additionally Void can get transfer peril, so quell speed is even less important on that one

[safe crystal]

I have this, its decent but could be better. What you really want is transfer peril on it

[limber silo]

That's a beautiful staff

[manic halo]

so this green staff would be better than the blue one

[limber silo]

I'd say the green is better imo

and flak armored is what you want on void as well

[manic halo]

ah nice

[limber silo]

Helps you pierce crowds better

[manic halo]

hey I got 20% on maniacs as well

this is good staff

[safe crystal]

Run n gun, my beloved. What would i do without this blessing?

[limber silo]

is that sarcasm?

[safe crystal]

Nah,i really like it

[fierce sinew]

we clown on run and gun but at least it does something

[safe crystal]

Hadron knows exactly what i need

[limber silo]

fair enough

[fierce sinew]

which is more than the rest of the non warp nexus blassings do on purg

lol

[safe crystal]

True

[dusty zenith]

yeah but why give the blessings levels though

[limber silo]

I hope they fix that bug with charge speed blessing

[dusty zenith]

like atleast deflector has varying amounts of blocking efficiency

run n gun is just run n gun

[limber silo]

i think it's to represent rarity

[fierce sinew]

yeah it would make sense if it had sprint efficiency stapled to it

in amounts that vary by tier

[limber silo]

Assuming Run n Gun is rare for some reason

[limber silo]

That would be a reasonable buff

[dusty zenith]

80% of my staffs are run n gun

[safe crystal]

I have run n gun on all my surge staffs, feels great

[limber silo]

Maybe sprint speed instead

[fierce sinew]

sprint speed would be sick actually

[limber silo]

Look at me go, holding my magic stick makes me run like a mutie

[fierce sinew]

you could say it made you move

at warp speed

[limber silo]

Lol, nice one

[fierce sinew]

something something in universe explanation

[limber silo]

blah blah blah, biomancy, blah blah, the emperor, etc.

[sleek hornet]

gloriana chest piece when

[velvet stratus]

Never

[sleek hornet]

i need drip for this awesome helm

XD i feel that

[limber silo]

When do we get that sick ass visor the psyker has in the character creator

[sleek hornet]

thats why i like the gloriana helm, covers eyes and it looks legit

[velvet stratus]

When fs releases it in the weapon shop

[limber silo]

so never?

[velvet stratus]

Yes

[limber silo]

noice

[sleek hornet]

never seems to be the go to answer

[safe crystal]

Nah, next week

Thats the answer

[limber silo]

NEXT WEEK

[sleek hornet]

next week sounds like my uncles 'in 5 minutes'

[cyan notch]

waiting for them to nerf upgrading costs

[velvet stratus]

It's the go to answer for fs related questions

[cyan notch]

so i can spend some plasteel

[limber silo]

I can't wait for NEXT WEEK so I can give mommy hadron all of my garbage weapons with op blessings and find a use for my diamantine

[limber silo]

So when is Sienna getting her new job?

[sleek hornet]

i just want a red chest piece that or something thats not camo plaid

[dusty zenith]

did they mention anything about blessings being shared across characters? like if my zealot has a tier 4 blessing on a kantrael would it let me use it for a kantrael on my psyker?

[sleek hornet]

XD

[limber silo]

Not likely considering there's no shared inventory

[sleek hornet]

i so badly want siennas next class to be a KotBS

[dusty zenith]

but

there's shared cosmetics 😔

[safe crystal]

Oh sweet, first game i play in a month and immediately getting server crashes

[sleek hornet]

the emperor wills it

can we post screenshots here or naw?

[limber silo]

"Hey guys, so Sienna's job isn't going to be in VT2... it'll be in VT3!" (Proceeds to nix jobs in VT3 just like DT)

[sleek hornet]

Dont XD thatll break my heart

[vagrant furnace]

Inventory is a mess they should do something about it

[sleek hornet]

i usually break down anything i dont use, does darktide hit a point where you hoard items?

[limber silo]

Stop that, save your weapons with good blessings so you can use the blessing system later

[sleek hornet]

im still leveling up

what would a good blessing to look out for be

[limber silo]

I have a bunch of shit staves with got tier blessings that I'm waiting to sacrifice

and it depends on the weapon

[sleek hornet]

im using force sword cuz i like the ranged attack block

[limber silo]

Save those, so you can get the max tier eventually and put it on better ones so you don't have to play the rng machine

[sleek hornet]

nice

yeah ill save that

[limber silo]

Basically if you see a weapons with 3 ticks on the symbol, save it

[sleek hornet]

im still trying to figure out what staff i like

[vagrant furnace]

We dont even know if theres will be a gunpsyker spec so im holding everything decent and its just bloated

[limber silo]

doesn't matter what weapon, it'll be handy later

[sleek hornet]

3 ticks like near the rating or?

[limber silo]

On the diamond

Those depict blessing tiers

[sleek hornet]

right on, mission popped so it kicked me out of inventory lmao

ill check after

[dusky bear]

fuuuuuuuck

what i wouldnt give to be able to "lock" one of melks offerings so i can save up for it and buy it later

[fresh vessel]

So is trauma considered aight now?

[cyan notch]

yorp

[vagrant furnace]

Depends on your definition of alright

[limber silo]

Any recommendations for a duelling sword perks?

[steel vapor]

Id say unarmored/flak or unarmored/infested - shredding small groups of lil'uns is what the duelling sword is for, big guys and hordes you use staff/headpops to deal with 🙂

[rich wedge]

is there a good purgatis build posted anywhere?

or what's considered meta?

[plucky perch]

any one know what staffs besid the traumna can roll the 2+ rending on secondary blessing?

cause boy howdy does it make those carapace ogryns swish cheese for team mates

[velvet stratus]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/weapon-blessing-traits

[plucky perch]

ahh ty

oooohj

traumna staff only