it's pretty bad tbh
#psyker-class
leaden thunder
devout sentinel
like 80% of weapons
rocky cedar
Nah agrip inf is pretty damn accurate tap fire and should be able to one head tap every shooter
With good stats
Especially since warp charge damage bonus was buffed
hot zephyr
Agrip Inf Auto Mk1 is great as long as you get a decent stability roll (>65-70%), and Mk VIII is also great as long as it's got >50% stab and > 70% dmg
forest coral
Hh is really really good right now
Especially the III
slap on some flak armor dam and maniac dam
However needs decent stability stat
forest coral
I was shredding through everything
hot zephyr
I can't get the burst fire HHs to work for me, I'd rather just have full auto and control the bursts myself
leaden thunder
managed to stay in volley fire for like
forest coral
It’s preference thing
forest coral
I like burst since it’s easier for me to control
Also being able to have like 40+ rounds in clip and 400+ ammo stock makes it very sustainable to use now
still hearth
It's like a mini XII
forest coral
Basically yeah
still hearth
More ammo but a bit less damage
forest coral
But in a way it’s almost better because it’s got penetration
leaden thunder
they have such a better hip fire
forest coral
And the hipfire is solid
still hearth
Not just straight upgrades
forest coral
Haha yup
leaden thunder
in my video games
forest coral
Ammo efficiency still ain’t xii level but it’s definitely a big contender for best all rounder guns
still hearth
Did they say flamer bad again
leaden thunder
no
still hearth
leaden thunder
they said
that it shouldn't be nerfed
becuase you can just leave if you see one
or kick the person
still hearth
Interesting take
It definitely needs a bit of a change in efficiency
Even just dropping its clip from 40 to 20 would make it way more balanced
Then shave some reserve ammo too
Like 30-40%
And it won't just win every fight for free
crude talon
Wait, what’s up with the flamer? Lol
leaden thunder
it's brokenly strong
crude talon
Oh, yea. My zealot friend every time he pulls that damn thing out it’s like 9elites and the whole horde die instantly
Kinda crazy
Lol my message got deleted
@north parcel killed dreg shotgunner being spammed on the top left every time that flamer comes out
devout sentinel
I mean.
Soulblaze can be stacked by Feats and "endless" Ressource.
Fire is only applicable by Flamethrower or Infernus Blessing from (only?) Lasguns.
Not sure if it is the same "fire" type for those too.
Deff little too much that it hord+mixedhord "1hits" pretty much.
Purgatus you need to get extra Charges and/or Overload to focus on faster/more efficient mixed clear.
Shouldnt be that much of a non-brainer all round decimator.
Ramp Up nerf / max stack nerf maybe ?
Weird comparison maybe but... in "orcs must die3" you had a flamethrower that dealt more dmg the more overheated he got maybe something like that
north parcel
strange wigeon
did they stealth nerf the peril sounds?
haven't psyked in a week and it feels quieter
still hearth
I think it was adjusted last week somewhat
When they fixed suppression making your screen explode with peril
strange wigeon
thank god, I'd even remove the scream when you reach 100% percent
wet jacinth
It's ironic because. I actually still need the Suicide and kill 3 elites with it.
Penance
Similarly with Zealot. I struggle to not die but lose enough to stay at less than a wound of hp
west stream
I still need to do the push 7 off a cliff one
wet jacinth
That one isnt too bad.
west stream
just bad luck with people nading or flaming as I do it lol
wet jacinth
There are select parts of levels that make it insanely easy
west stream
Ye, I actually pushed them off the other day
wet jacinth
Also well take a weapon with high stamina
oblique hemlock
Psyker penances are the biggest bullshit in the game
wet jacinth
Oof
wet jacinth
Psyker penances are the biggest bullshit in the game
Only the monstrosity one imo
west stream
Pick and mix is easy enough in some parts of g ame
wet jacinth
I completed pick and mix within the first week of the game
west stream
and MM is just grab ogryn and let them facetank
but they require a lot of party cooperation sometimes
devout sentinel
well sadge you need to do something for a "rare" gear part
oblique hemlock
Black hood, mask and goggles with red trim on the hood edge
wet jacinth
I've seen a image someone posted but I cant quite remember clearly
wet jacinth
Black hood, mask and goggles with red trim on the hood edge
Ah. The image didnt show eyes so I couldn't see it had goggles
devout sentinel
vets have the horrible tendency to shoot brain burst targets
not gonna stop shooting a target as vet cause my psyk needs THAT one specific if it would break my F duration ^^
devout sentinel
Ah. The image didnt show eyes so I couldn't see it had goggles
but it makes you bold >_>
wet jacinth
but it makes you bold >_>
And?
oblique hemlock
I love the look of the goggles in this game
wet jacinth
I already use the black hood and mask
west stream
tbh I like look of beta tester helmet on psyker
wet jacinth
west stream
looks cool for the enforce types
west stream
enforcer*
oblique hemlock
I havent earned it yet cause I can't be fucked playing 100 psyker missions
broken quail
not gonna stop shooting a target as vet cause my psyk needs THAT one specific if...
Fair enough, even when warp charges were being removed all at once it wasn't enough to care about
pure palm
what perks do you guys recommend on force sword? unyielding and flak or smth?
wet jacinth
I didnt really read vet section of the notes
devout sentinel
Iirc didnt vet get all around buffs this time?
counterfire was fixed but in general yes
wet jacinth
I just remember my friend being Salty Zealot got nerfed
And shitting on vets being fatshark beloved child
oblique hemlock
I find it hilarious that each class has elitists that hate eachother so much
broken quail
what perks do you guys recommend on force sword? unyielding and flak or smth?
I'd go flak or maniac
devout sentinel
what perks do you guys recommend on force sword? unyielding and flak or smth?
block eff + stamina
block eff + weak spot
block eff + maniac
maniac + flak
whatever u pref and need it for
wet jacinth
~~ (He was a crucian roulette bleed knife user so yeah) ~~
Lowkey
Deflector force sword saved my team several times. Because one area. We fucking got 4 reapers and 5 gunners all spread out through the room
pure palm
the crit dr deserved it lets be real, and is still strong. lets me feel like i'm not gimping myself for not running crit stuff
and cheers for the advice fellas
wet jacinth
idle bay
I was expecting comm-link and that was just a minor hotfix... sigh
still hearth
what perks do you guys recommend on force sword? unyielding and flak or smth?
Yes. Maniac is also good.
rare furnace
tbh I like look of beta tester helmet on psyker
Makes me feel like doom slayer from the back with the full metal gear
All Psyker crits should add soulblaze change my mind
pale crescent
If I can roll the fire blessing ill be a happy little psyker
maybe i should wait until after the dev blog
supple skiff
changing emps gift to take into account grims and mission difficulty
did the devs from vermintide 2 finally break out of the meat locker they were tied up in and overpower the present dev team?
and laid out crafting update
tropic lagoon
Does psyker feel a lil bit better after the recent buffs to brain burst?
tropic lagoon
also the warp charge i suppose
supple skiff
warp charges gradually falling off is huge
supple skiff
im inclined to think so
tropic lagoon
going from 18% to 24% on top of brain burst buffs?
void mural
Does psyker feel a lil bit better after the recent buffs to brain burst?
It feels way better to play, but not a huge leap in power. He hits a few more difficulty 4 breakpoints though
tropic lagoon
man as long as i can one shot more specials
void mural
Yeah, I actually can bring him to difficulty 4 and not feel like a burden
tropic lagoon
won't play as much as i want to until the reward system is perked up a bit
but we're getting there
void mural
Yeah, for real. I'm only playing for the gameplay feel, and mostly ignoring the loot, other than occasionally finding a higher power level piece of gear
glass thistle
the 15-3 feel good as team buff on monster killing now
devout axle
So what's everyones opinion on Kinetic Shield (L20) since the patch compared to Kinetic Deflection?
glass thistle
block is still better if you use force sword
devout axle
But you wouldn't say its objectively weaker anymore?
summer prairie
Block is still pretty much always better.
flint plover
hot take: if you went into heresy and felt like a burden it was because you need to improve your skill, not that psyker was bad
still hearth
It could be both.
devout axle
hot take: if you went into heresy and felt like a burden it was because you need...
No, it's definitely because Psyker was bad. Prior, even being able to consistently finish runs with no team deaths, I still felt like my overall contribution was substantially less than my teams while being heavily reliant on my team to even contribute that little bit.
Post patch, I can effectively fill the role of an elite killer in the case we don't have a Vet, or in the case I find myself in a better position than the Vet to do so. The difference between being able to one-shot ragers, flamers, dogs, and even Poxbursters with BB is a massive boon to both Psyker players and the team overall. Additionally, with Cerebral Lacerations, we can also two-shot Reapers, which are probably the most dangerous elites in the game atm, and are vital to be able to kill as quickly as possible.
flint plover
so.. yeah, skill issue
devout axle
Seems more like you are more trying to irritate people instead of creating meaningful conversation.
west stream
What if you ran Laspistol
implying we don't
what talents do you run with laspistol? I am partial to blaze simply because horde delete is handy
still hearth
implying we don't
I did in Damnation
To be fair
I mostly used BB
The Laspistol actually has a lower TTK than BB most of the time
devout axle
Laspistol is unironically good because of its special. I really feel like that special should be given to every staff instead of the pansy-ass staff whack we've got.
void mural
hot take: if you went into heresy and felt like a burden it was because you need...
I meant a burden as in it takes like 10 seconds to cast several BB to kill any special. As opposed to vet just pew pew in 3 seconds and they kill it
devout axle
Being able to shove enemies away while your ranged weapon is equipped is a massive QoL. Especially when the servers are lagging and whether you can switch weapons becomes a coin flip.
void mural
For real. I can't believe that weapon swapping is still an issue 3 games deep in the tide series
flint plover
Seems more like you are more trying to irritate people instead of creating meani...
I won't argue that psyker is waay better now, but I never once felt like a burden or bad in hi intensity damnation or otherwise
That is why I say skill issue. It is not an insult.
It's actually very interesting what people consider to be a burden on the team, lol. I see a lot of hotshot players who are so skilled they think they can go off and solo the game and leave the team behind. And then when the team starts to fall one by one, the skilled player will say "jfc why do I have to babysit everyone" or something along those lines, and then proceed to die themselves, or clutch
I'd say the skilled person I described is definitely the burden on the team, 100%
supple skiff
ngl running warp batter with the new fall off with WC feels great when ulting
flint plover
Actually, I apologize, that was a lie. I definitely felt like a burden on the team before I had a perfectly rolled staff and melee and curios
supple skiff
actually yeets enemies now reliably
flint plover
can't even remember trying to make surge and voidstrike work
slow karma
You're thinking too much
flint plover
You're thinking too much
this is true
void mural
That is why I say skill issue. It is not an insult.
It's not about skill. If I played vet, I wouldn't have felt like a burden. It's that there were parts of the kit that just didn't work properly
devout axle
I'd say the skilled person I described is definitely the burden on the team, 100...
My definition of being a burden is not contributing/having inferior overall contribution to the overall success of the team. In your definition, I would agree, the player who is not with the team, and is thus not helping the team is a burden on the team, especially when hordes are programmed to converge on where the majority of the team is. Pre-patch, Psykers most effective role was slowing down hordes with Purg staff and, with KD, you could run into the middle of a horde to pick up someone who got overwhelmed. Outside of that, you were contributing less overall damage in combat (raw damage is supposed to be one of Psykers selling points), were awful at taking out elites (Psykers traits are all designed towards taking out Elites), all while needing your team to cover you while doing anything due to long animations and charge times, low mobility, and the smallest health pool of all of the classes.
Even in the cases where Psyker could shine, another class could do the same, or better, while also contributing more. Zealot had flamer, which is effectively a stronger Purg staff, a larger health pool, lots of survivability talents, and a built in fail safe if they get overwhelmed. Ogryn has a massive health pool, tons of damage reduction, resists being stunned while reviving others, and has probably the best crowd control in the game with their massive melee arcs, huge melee stagger, and a variety of ranged weapons that also have enough stagger to knock down a crusher in one hit. Veterans are still the kings of elite-killing, but Psyker could not even compete with them pre-patch.
flint plover
Am I wrong in thinking you're describing wanting to be a jack of all trades, and master of all?
void mural
Nah, I just want each piece of his kit to function properly in it's individual role
Tailor your loadout to whatever you want it to do
devout axle
Psyker doesn't need to be a master of all. But it DOES need something to differentiate it from other classes.
When the entire core of the Psyker class was nearly useless, there was no reason to play a Psyker over any other class.
flint plover
Because again I won't deny that psyker is way better now, but I disagree that they were ever bad. Being able to fill any role on the team at a moment's notice is ridiculously useful.
And yeah it'd be nice if our kits worked ffs
void mural
For example, when using BB on higher difficulties it felt like as if I was taking a nerfed mk 12 lasgun vs the vet's normal one
devout axle
You -weren't- fill a role at a moments notice though. You had to pick it two or three things pre-game and be stuck with those things all game.
flint plover
but yeah it doesn't matter lol. If you're having fun with psyker now and now you feel useful, awesome, kudos to you. all I'm saying is that I felt strong on my psyker pre-patch and I feel stronger now.
devout axle
And kudos to you, that's great. But the fact is you probably felt strong because you weren't actually looking at what you were really doing. Which is fine, play the game the way you want to. But don't say "skill-issue" to others when you are playing the game in a different, non-analyzing way.
flint plover
You -weren't- fill a role at a moments notice though. You had to pick it two or ...
with my purgatus, my combat axe, BB, and my ult, I could basically control the battlefield. I wasn't trying to kill ranged as fast as a vet, or flame hordes as fast as a zealot. I could use BB as a scalpel and take out key elites, stun crushers, bulwarks, reapers, interrupt pox hounds, outright oneshot most specialists and kill them long after they've run out of line of sight. I could use purgatus as a fast stunlock while running forward or have an infinite ammo flamethrower. with AB I could easily wipe out entire hordes and look in the other direction and kill a few specialists while turning my back
devout axle
this explains everything tbh
flint plover
hmm?
devout axle
Combat axe can make anyone feel powerful since its massively overtuned.
slow karma
Right....
Cuz he spent the rest of that entire paragraph talking at all about the axe mentioned once
flint plover
I mean, I literally only use it in melee, and I didn't even describe it as part of my kit, lol. Now I know you're just an idiot or trolling. Have a good day man.
summer prairie
Antax isn't particularly impressive horde clear except compared to most psyker weapons
slow karma
It really isn't. It's just solid damage output per swing
devout axle
Cuz he spent the rest of that entire paragraph talking at all about the axe ment...
No, he's spent the entirety of the conversation saying "Psyker was strong pre-patch and if you don't agree, skill issue"
summer prairie
It damages 3 targets and push attack doesn't even one-shot a poxwalker unless you have perfect rolls/perks/blessings
flint plover
Antax isn't particularly impressive horde clear except compared to most psyker w...
Not a horde clear tool. I use it as a strong defensive tool and stun crushers
flint plover
No, he's spent the entirety of the conversation saying "Psyker was strong pre-pa...
Yes, that's exactly what I said. And it's true, lol.
summer prairie
Well lights can damage infinite targets with BM, but even then the 3+ damage is low
devout axle
200+ damage on light attacks, massive cleave and full damage on its push attack, a blessing that ignores hit mass, a heavy that does full damage to Carapace.
flint plover
I mean this in no disrespect, but you sound like a player that is not particularly skilled, and you want your favorite class to be buffed up to what you consider veteran or zealot strong at
summer prairie
Push attack has a lot of cleave but it does 0 damage to targets 4+
flint plover
And that's fine and all, but don't try to pretend otherwise mate. It's pretty obvious
devout axle
And that's fine and all, but don't try to pretend otherwise mate. It's pretty ob...
You're funny, the kind of funny where you backhand someone and say "I didn't mean it offensively".
Which is basically all you've said.
slow karma
I mean, there's no other way to say it
You sound like a shitter who wants to be overpowered
That's the brass tacks of it
slow karma
You've said that, yes, and that's the view of one person playing the game, not the devs.
What the class is supposed to do isn't up to you
You just want it to do more
devout axle
Yes, because the dev having an ability that is designed to kill a single target, a passive that increases damage vs Elites, and several talents that trigger when the Psyker kills an Elite don't show what the devs had intended for the class.
The fact is, Psyker COULDN'T fill the role it was designed for pre-patch. Now it does.
slow karma
Fair enough.
glass thistle
HH on pskyer looks gooood
ornate hamlet
It's actually very interesting what people consider to be a burden on the team, ...
that's part of the problem with this game,
the game wants us to run around searching every inch of the map for items, and it also wants us to stick together for coherency and because enemies can quickly overrun a group that isn't covering each other.
this causes players to have to balance sticking together with searching around for loot, it's bad game design to blame
and yes, the good players stick together in pairs at least, if not all together
because part of being a good player is your ability to work as a team, keep coherency goin for that toughness regen and other buffs, etc
on top of this, some people are just trying to get ridiculous penances done for cosmetics, which is another massive annoyance
hazy warren
on top of this, some people are just trying to get ridiculous penances done for ...
i feel called out lol
ornate hamlet
and on top of all of this, your hard work is not rewarded, you will get trash loot from emperor (like guns gifted to psykers), and the weps you upgrade will get trash blessings nearly every time, some of which actually make your weapon worse!
not only is the game designed poorly, but it's unrewarding to actually play it
simply watching an app on your phone that shows loot in npc shop is more effective than playing
slow karma
Yeah they put way too much team pressure into this game
ornate hamlet
i feel called out lol <:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163>
nah bro i'm not callin anyone out, just saying it's game design to blame for a lot of the BS we have to put up with in-game
slow karma
Which isn't actually a problem when you don't incentivize going off on your own for any random reason.
The number of times I've gotten randomly swarmed just ducking around a corner real fast to check for plasteel is too damn high
ornate hamlet
right, they just spawn on TOP of you and all smack you at the same time instantly downing you
happens to everyone sometimes
and it's dogwater game design
hazy warren
nah bro i'm not callin anyone out, just saying it's game design to blame for a l...
yea true that. just thought it was funny that u said that while im trying to do the psy's penances
slow karma
I've gotten pretty good at watching my own back but it's easy to get bogged down in a random scuffle and left behind all the same
long wharf
god damn it, why is a blessing slot going to be locked?!?
ornate hamlet
i'd be fine with the focus on teamwork and cohesion, if the fatshark devs weren't putting stupid books in random places that we have to pickup - that drain max HP - and a bunch of other random loot (including ammunition) people have to go around searching for
it's an old concept, like from Left4Dead, running around looking for extra medbags etc laying around, it's antiquated game design that frankly should have been tossed out and replaced with a better system long ago
the reason it exists is to reduce "meta" gaming of people speedrunning missions taking the same most efficient route every time
slow karma
Why do people fucking expect to freely customize their weapon rolls?
You do know we get to actually hard choose one guaranteed plessing, right?
Like, a permanent unlock
ornate hamlet
god damn it, why is a blessing slot going to be locked?!?
i mean, it figures.
like i said before, it's the same people who designed this mess of an endgame loop to begin with, don't expect the same designers to "fix" it anytime soon
slow karma
It's just there for you to stamp onto a weapon now
long wharf
because no mention of fixing the crafting mat reward distribution
slow karma
Well thats it's own issue.
slow karma
Let's get the actual full system in first.
long wharf
I can't upgrade the other
ornate hamlet
is rebless even in yet? i haven't even logged in for a while
slow karma
No it's not
ornate hamlet
pathetic lol
slow karma
It's coming next patch as per the dev blog
ornate hamlet
they said they were going to give us a new subclass every month after launch
now they're like "we're workin on stuff, sorry we suck"
slow karma
Yeah and then everything exploded
They do suck, at least they're owning it
I'm just after progress, not the shit I didn't expect to get to begin with
Having the crafting done and dusted is one step along the path.
The game wasn't done, but what game fuckin' is anymore nowadays?
long wharf
and this has me concerned as well :
"While we are excited about the direction we chose to take blessings, we will save that discussion for another time."
they're excited about their blessings
ornate hamlet
they haven't really added anything except the demon monstroucity, a few other missions - which are really just the same missions but the layout is backwards, and cash shop stuff
and they keep going in and tweaking values for skills and such, as if that's really "fixing" anything
slow karma
It's likely just a more involved topic to cover that the details aren't ironed out on yet.
ornate hamlet
it honestly feels like one of those dev teams that quit working on the game to work on another game
slow karma
Again, I don't care about the content. I care about the baseline systems. The content will come when it comes.
They have to put it in cuz the game will die if they dont
worthy wedge
Yeah, hard to judge how good the stuff is if we don't even know "the direction we've decided to take blessings", whatever that means
slow karma
but if the gearing situation isn't fixed first, no amount of content is going to do anything but irritate people
ornate hamlet
slow karma
Surprise, the game's numbers dip after a messy launch.
long wharf
I like the planned changed to the armory exchange
ornate hamlet
in the last 48 hours it's been 1.2k to 5k ish
slow karma
Is there a point to this?
long wharf
we'll see how they address Sour Milk
ornate hamlet
Is there a point to this?
remember when i was comparing this game to outriders, saying the pop will drop below 5k? well it already did that, the pop died off just as quickly as outriders and that game is ded so
i still recommend you guys find people on this discord to play with, instead of counting on pugs
the pop will die off enough that matchmaker can't even really be used anymore
you will get more enjoyment out of the game if you find other people to play with regularly imo
slow karma
Outriders is also not a live service game meant to constantly be updated with new content.
And it's playable solo.
glass thistle
actually i love outriders more than DT at the moment
ornate hamlet
Outriders is also not a live service game meant to constantly be updated with ne...
it was actually
and this game is playable solo with bots as well btw
slow karma
No it's not.
ornate hamlet
actually i love outriders more than DT at the moment
i wouldn't go that far 
slow karma
First of all you have to force that, second, good luck
mint burrow
it was actually
and this game is playable solo with bots as well btw
The game was specifically marketed as not being a live service game.
slow karma
The point is the two games aren't built to be developed the same way
long wharf
it was actually
and this game is playable solo with bots as well btw
actually no, Outriders was never a live service game
slow karma
The population dwindles, yes, but people still own the game.
long wharf
the devs specifically said it was never going to be one
ornate hamlet
The game was specifically marketed as not being a live service game.
it was the same payment model as this game, wish cash shop cosmetics
glass thistle
i wouldn't go that far <:kekw:875083074956820540>
the skill tree and weapon syn / combos with mod are way more creative than DT now
long wharf
I played Outriders from release for a couple months
slow karma
Yeah no, it never had a cash shop
leaden thunder
outriders has way worse bones then this it feels like
mint burrow
it was the same payment model as this game, wish cash shop cosmetics
That is factually incorrect.
leaden thunder
but thats my opinion
slow karma
At any rate, the games aren't as comparable as you'd like to think
ornate hamlet
Yeah no, it never had a cash shop
it has DLC locked behind $, same thing
slow karma
It's a fucking expansion clown shoes, what the fuck?
north cradle
Just because the game can be solo'd with bots doesn't mean the bots are allowed to be worse than what we had before. I wanted to have my character gang as NPCs
mint burrow
Definitely isn’t lmao
ornate hamlet
"content pack" isn't expansion
slow karma
Of course you pay for dlc, it's fucking content.
glass thistle
outrider atleast make the gameplay more smooth and make player improve well over playing now
at the release its not so good tho, the loot drop is low
north cradle
Expansion pack would be StarCraft Brood War
DLC missions are like Payday 2 or Vermintide 2
slow karma
People still own this shit and it's still fun to play. Once the incentive to play is back, the people will be too
ornate hamlet
People still own this shit and it's still fun to play. Once the incentive to pla...
hopefully
mint burrow
I’m coming back once crafting is implemented
slow karma
Same
split flare
People still own this shit and it's still fun to play. Once the incentive to pla...
Tbh, I'm waiting that the game is fully out to play again ^^
slow karma
Though I never really left
glass thistle
i dont very care about game price or DLC price as they are super low compare than most ent server in real life
$70 or $140, it buy nothing in our place now
mint burrow
I came back for an hour for the Psyker changes and went “cool” and went back to other games tbh
slow karma
Yeah and that's perfectly ok
Live service games have damaged peoples' perception of success
Play other shit, you're not killing the game by not playing it, they have shit to do
It's not going anywhere
glass thistle
pc game price is so low even a AAA lower than a 3D movie ticket
leaden thunder
glass thistle
and dev mostly go to mobile games as those earn tons with little content
mint burrow
and dev mostly go to mobile games as those earn tons with little content
Still mad about what happened with Alien: Isolations “sequel”
north cradle
I still play Halo Reach and 3
long wharf
Halo Reach was the last good Halo
grim magnet
is it just me or does peril decay faster when you're holding your melee weapon?
long wharf
Halo 3 ODST was the last good Halo MP
leaden thunder
is it just me or does peril decay faster when you're holding your melee weapon?
it does if it's not the force sword
worthy wedge
Peril decays faster when you're holding a non-force weapon.
long wharf
it's called "passive quelling"
that's important, because psyker has a feat specifically activated by quelling
sour bison
pc game price is so low even a AAA lower than a 3D movie ticket
w8 wat
how much does 3d movie ticket cost in your country?
glass thistle
depend on cinema
sour bison
on average
idle bay
I've just got a new Dialogue from Hadron in mission.
Normally when asked by Operatives to tell something about herself - he says that they are not worth the answering.
This time however she answered my Ogryn that she know few dozens binaric cants. And Orgyn said - sorry for asking.
glass thistle
triple A games cost 60-70
but you play more then 90mins
long wharf
I've just got a new Dialogue from Hadron in mission.
Normally when asked by Oper...
not new
zinc phoenix
and fine dine easily over $200 pre ppl
Yeah a fancy restaurant can really knock you price wise. All the Nashville high end places have entrees starting at a hundred bucks with the fancy stuff going for 200 or 300 a plate
And that’s before appetizer and drinks and whatnot
glass thistle
and pc game price is like freeze from 2000s
only last year they try to rise it
or 2020 ?
zinc phoenix
When my wife and I went to an experimental high end vegetarian restaurant in New York a decade back we spent about $200 bucks, these days you couldn’t leave without putting 400$ on the table for two people
leaden thunder
there is a couple of lines I have only heard like once
zinc phoenix
Course if you think fine dining means the dollar menu at mcd’s then you might be shocked and upset at the prices of games 😂
leaden thunder
my vet said something about dreaming of a daemon on a mound of skulls
and has never said it again
idle bay
I've heard rumor that loosecanon call team Lumberfoots.. but have not heard that once
zinc phoenix
my vet said something about dreaming of a daemon on a mound of skulls
If I was gonna dream of a demon on a mound of something it wouldn’t be skulls heh
hot zephyr
I'm actually kinda excited after seeing the blog post on crafting
glass thistle
Course if you think fine dining means the dollar menu at mcd’s then you might be...
i am surprise game dev/ industry can hold this long with such pricing for decades
hot zephyr
Been sitting on blues and the odd purple instead of dumping my plasteel/diam waiting for crafting rework
long wharf
i am surprise game dev/ industry can hold this long with such pricing for decade...
it's because volume of sales have gone up
zinc phoenix
I'm actually kinda excited after seeing the blog post on crafting
Honestly seems pretty cool
zinc phoenix
i am surprise game dev/ industry can hold this long with such pricing for decade...
Marginal cost of selling an additional game is zero thanks to digital distribution so they’ve made it up with volume
hot zephyr
it's because volume of sales have gone up
Cost of delivery/publishing is also massively down with platforms like Steam/EPIC/etc all going mainstream
long wharf
yep
zinc phoenix
The big dogs also all started selling from their own storefronts so they don’t have to give up margin to steam et al
hot zephyr
Honestly seems pretty cool
Yeah, I'm quite excited, it'll fix the rando-roller store cus you can just buy whatever weapon you want, if you are hunting for good stats you can just run missions to stack Ordos to get lots of rolls
long wharf
The big dogs also all started selling from their own storefronts so they don’t h...
and then those storefronts collapse and they realize that Steam's 30% is far better than the continuing costs of hardware, maintenance, and personnel for that storefront
glass thistle
The big dogs also all started selling from their own storefronts so they don’t h...
those store need staffs too, many mouth to feed ,all need money
hot zephyr
The blessings being earned by surrendering the weapon is cool too, now when you get a bad weapon with a good blessing you can RIP it to bless anything you want. I'm so excited I saved my like 310 base stat autogun that has +15% Salvo on it, that's going to be absolutely nuts
long wharf
Yeah, I'm quite excited, it'll fix the rando-roller store cus you can just buy w...
sure, and then you upgrade it to legendary and have either two crap blessings you can't fix or two decent blessings (but low) that you can't fix both
hot zephyr
sure, and then you upgrade it to legendary and have either two crap blessings yo...
Yeah but it means not every single person will be rolling around with BIS all the time forever
long wharf
but who cares?
this isn't Diablo
there are no time trials
why not also have an option where Hadron rerolls the blessings entirely?
replace both blessings at once, random what you get
hot zephyr
You don't really need blessings anyways, they add so little with a few exceptions. Like obviously a few special combos like Limb Splitter or Deflector can be super broken good, but for the more part they make less than 5% difference
long wharf
You don't really need blessings anyways, they add so little with a few exception...
you have this backwards
the right blessings make the weapon
and the right blessings are so few that trying to get the unicorn with two on the same weapon is already highly unlikely
glass thistle
btw , they didnt fix the block with peril stagger if your stamina hits zero and enemy hits you
the patch note is fake
just like vet counterfire weak spot damage, is not fixed
hot zephyr
Yeah but in a balanced game state, you don't need "the right" blessings. The only reason we have the meta of "you need blessing X to enable this combo" is because those things are actually unbalanced
zinc phoenix
those store need staffs too, many mouth to feed ,all need money
Chopping 30% off your unit sale margin for the cost of a modest increase in staff is worth it at the scale of Ubisoft or EA
hot zephyr
They already nerfed crit/bleed zealot for example
zinc phoenix
Neither of which had their storefront collapse
long wharf
Chopping 30% off your unit sale margin for the cost of a modest increase in staf...
oh, you're sure EA knows this? The same EA that closed down Origin and has been slowly adding EA Play games onto Steam?
that EA?
hot zephyr
Like don't get me wrong here, I'm talking theory here, the game is absolutely NOT balanced yet
You shouldn't NEED a specific blessing or perk or whatever to make a weapon/build/etc work
It should be a good option, but not the only one
Like, how many folks come in here asking "do I have to get deflector on a force sword to make it work?"
The answer is no, it's still a great weapon without it
frank talon
Wait is origin dead
I own dragon age inquisition on there, it better not be gone forever
hot zephyr
Wait is origin dead
Yes, origin is shuttering later this year. You'll want to look into what your options are
frank talon
And my copy of spore is on there too
Goddamn
This is why GOG is a required service
hot zephyr
Well, you won't lose access to your games
long wharf
stuff you bought on Origin should be accessible on EA Play now
hot zephyr
My understanding is Origin is being folded into EA Play or whatever it's called (I haven't bought an EA game in like 10 years so I have no idea)
valid fern
Best surge staff ive ever seen pop up rating wise.... is that quell speed going to make a big impact?
long wharf
you'll notice it, but it'll be, like, 3/4 of a second difference
from 100 to 0
so not the end of the world
hot zephyr
Best surge staff ive ever seen pop up rating wise.... is that quell speed going ...
Not really, you'll just generate less peril anyways with that high of a warp resist stat
long wharf
if I had to pick, I'd rather have lower warp resist than quell speed
but that's still very good
you can inspect that staff ('v' in inventory)
hover over "Quell Speed", and the game will show you the value range
it's in seconds for 100 - 0 quelling
hot zephyr
Honestly that's a pretty small upgrade, and that perk on your existing one is BIS
Make sure you keep both
long wharf
yeah, you'll definitely notice the quell speed difference
but it's not end-of-the-world difference
hot zephyr
Yeah, I dunno what the numbers will be, but it'll be like 5.2 vs 4.8 or something. The difference between like 50% and 80% on some stats is like not even noticable during gameplay most of the time
There's edge cases where it really really matters, like the Burn stat on a Purgatus, but this isn't one of them
Honestly, your existing one is the one I like better of the two
valid fern
Thanks for the info!
untold jetty
no power, low damage, I'm both stoked and greatly disappointed at the same time by The Emperor's gift
no limbsplitter though so it's a dub
hot zephyr
no power, low damage, I'm both stoked and greatly disappointed at the same time ...
Keep it for the upcoming earn a blessing, that's a max-level Decapitator I think
untold jetty
that's fair but I don't really like decapitator, I prefer the +power on chain hit blessing
better for hordes, I always struggle with those on psyker
untold jetty
yea
still hearth
The one upside of Decap is if you run flamer
And you flame a crusher
And then kill a lot of goons
Also it stacks five time so at T4 you can get over 100% Rending, what
Does that even work @lethal folio
loud nacelle
still hearth
Which staff
Transfer Peril for Void
Whatever gives crit for purge and surge
Terrifying Barrage is pretty good on all staves imo.
idle bay
And 3rd character this week with 25/25 missions done. One to go 🙂
rare furnace
And 3rd character this week with 25/25 missions done. One to go 🙂
Your life will be easier soon my friend more reward and less work
idle bay
Your life will be easier soon my friend more reward and less work
I know 🙂 But for now i just want build up materials a bit and get 1000 mission frame sooner
devout axle
Me out here now even bothering paying attention to my weeklies anymore.
idle bay
kark.... concecrated the wrong curio - 350 dalmatine wasted....
fossil snow
past pollen
it's just OK in my opinion
I prefer Mk V as far as variants go
and I believe a duelling sword should have rampage to be top tier
hot zephyr
Is this really accurate?
Yes, it's been tested multiple times. Try it yourself in the Meat Grinder
faint perch
lol, OP shit
faint perch
And then you have this. Fatshark really needs to step their tooltip game up. It's a fucking mess, and this is far from the only instance.
devout axle
tbh, CL buffing BB is probably an oversight
Its a nice one, but it'll probably end up getting fixed at some point.
Or maybe they'll make it a feature.
Who knows.
long wharf
they should just make CL a straight across the board damage taken debuff
forget source of damage
devout axle
I don't disagree with this.
faint perch
they should just make CL a straight across the board damage taken debuff
Based
proud mantle
Me out here now even bothering paying attention to my weeklies anymore.
Same man I have most blessings and shit I'd need and checking the store for a 380 just isn't worth doing anymore
floral solstice
ok i just read the dev blog, ngl it sounds too good to be true but hey it's a good step forward
also is it just me or are they trying to convince us that rng is good for us
proud mantle
They are
It's still the same shit
You're just guaranteed a roll of each weapon now
Which can still have shit perks and blessings but now you'll need to upgrade for that
magic burrow
is google/chrome being screwy for anyone else?
proud mantle
So overall it's worse imo
In vermin at least you were nearly guaranteed max power level on weapons
floral solstice
i was kinda excited to see that part where you choose specific marks on weapon
then it's common rarity
still need rng fest to not be griefed while crafting
we'll see how good rebless and mats changes are
proud mantle
The permanent blessing re slot thing looks good though
That's the only positive I can think of
That is if it works as I think it does which is you give up a weapon with t4 blessing and then have the option to slot it to any viable weapon
Everything else is just same shit but more opportunities for same shit
But you need more crafting mats
floral solstice
well they're making mat pickups into a weekly quest so we still have to look around
leaden thunder
i'll probably get yelled at
floral solstice
instead of just giving us a set amount after mission
leaden thunder
but I am happy about the changes, they could and should be more
but it's better
a lot better even
floral solstice
oh it definitely does sound better
leaden thunder
it's a good ground work for fixing more of the issues
floral solstice
still wish it was more but i guess ill take what we get
it's still annoying to go around picking up mats imo
leaden thunder
that is annoying
leaden thunder
if they could mark emperor's gifts or weapons you have upgraded
and let you recylce thos into mats
that'd be good if they don't want to just give a set amount
floral solstice
imagine killing heretics and you go "ooh, plasteel!"
leaden thunder
blessing should be upgradable(with the current system they are using) to which ever tier you have as the highest
that'd be good
floral solstice
they better fix some maps giving way less mats too
lowest ive seen was like 15 plasteel on a t5 run
scoured the map and mostly saw diaman
leaden thunder
some of the ogryn lads got 10
I think blessings being pretty fucked makes the crafting problem worse
like
would you like a woping + 5% crit and weak spot damage for 5 seconds after a dodge
or 75% extra damage
for killings things
I wonder which one i'll pick
floral solstice
but fatshark said it makes for interesting variety of playstyles and loadouts
leaden thunder
sorry 75% extra damage, stagger and cleave
clear heath
sounds balanced to me
floral solstice
yes im sure all or nothing on my axe will drastically change how i play
leaden thunder
if they made blessings able to push weapons into like 2-3 different playstyles per weapon that'd be good
one will always be better
but even the option would be cool
like force sword kinda has 2 that it can do
bloodthirsty + blazing spirit and deflector + slaughterer
clear heath
force sword is also bloated with like 10 blessings and half of them are shit
leaden thunder
that's kinda what I mean
they have like
crit + soulblaze
normal
then another one
as the 3 styles they could go toward
clear heath
can't wait to roll a bunch of force swords and have to give up on them because i keep getting 2 worthless blessings
floral solstice
if they want us to have options for different playstyles then they better buff/rehaul the useless blessings
clear heath
i wish locking wasn't a thing
leaden thunder
if we where able to upgrade the locked blessing i'd be pretty fine with it
since that cuts things down a massive amount
perks tho
you should just be able to pick both of those
perks are boring
but this being in place lets them move towards that
and that's good
so I am content for the most part
maybe an option in the future to swap 2 stats around
scarlet timber
forest coral
sir this is a wendys
rare furnace
i wish locking wasn't a thing
Yeah locking is like cockblocking
But having one better perk is still better than two bad
Since melk is gonna have better rewards maybe playing will be the best option rather than just logging in
daring nexus
Most people will probably end up finding a good weapon in the shops and then replace a perk and blessing
dense blade
That worth grabbing? Never really used the trauma staff, even after the buff.
daring nexus
Yea
dense blade
Literally just finished the weeklies with 32 minutes to spare on the reset, lol. Seemed like it might be ok, but wanted to ask before I spent the coins.
leaden thunder
for the new crafting dealio, that rending shockwave is (afaik) very good to have
lethal folio
Damage and blast radius are low.
patent steeple
i really hate my stupidity in terms of choosing character personality voices... my psyker is almost level 30 and i picked the "This is just a dream." personality, which i think is the lamest of the 3 options...
west stream
I like the Enforcer
leaden thunder
savant and loner are both good
west stream
I do hope we get a bit more story when new missions come
west stream
The guardsmen commenting on exterminatus, the insane one saying it would not kill the thing under the hive...
leaden thunder
which insane one
west stream
beloved
leaden thunder
ah
west stream
I forget names of personalities
leaden thunder
I think thats seer
patent steeple
i think im gonna delete my psyker at some point and create a new one just so i can have loner psyker voice...
west stream
which veteran comments that abhumans are better than humans? Thought that was a funny line
leaden thunder
I think all vets defend abhumans
west stream
The one about trading with xenos being fine as long as you dont pick up their weird lingo and exotic customs also cracked me up
leaden thunder
loose cannon and professional both say something like that I think
I like my professional vet
but I wish I had some of the loose cannon lines
mainly the ones for interacting with psyker
warped perch
Sean just heard this but some idiot in my group just said psyker was already the strongest class in the game and shouldn’t have gotten buffed and the only reason they did was because people whined
west stream
"nobody ever said life was fair" "And nobody would listen if they did"
cyan notch
Sean just heard this but some idiot in my group just said psyker was already the...
what were they playing
leaden thunder
"look at the psyker(witch?) go" "jealous roughneck"
warped perch
what were they playing
Psyker -_-
west stream
Savant has some good ones towards guardsmen in general, and his insults towards zealot are great
warped perch
I heard my zealot once say that he considered the group family now
The judge
He’s only said it once
I was shocked
leaden thunder
fanatic zealot's lines after reciveing praise from ogryns are great
"the slab learns everything from me I swear"
warped perch
The fanatic is the chillest one imo lol
west stream
Or the one with...bodyguard? Ogryn where psyker tells him he is a good storyteller
Yeah fanatic goes places
leaden thunder
I wish we could choose to disable some lines from our characters saying them
that'd be nice
west stream
Isn't he the one that is excited he isn't going to be arrested for assaulting heretics?
leaden thunder
yep
west stream
I want to imagine they just walk around the street and start picking fights with some menials who said the corpse starch tastes bad
leaden thunder
there is a reason that voice has the blood for the god emperor ult line
west stream
The weirdest thing is Savant is implied to be native or to work in Atoma
You'd wonder how they end up on the ship to begin with
long wharf
Every line of dialog referencing Atoma's budding liturgical scene needs to be purged from the game
west stream
Everyone's a critic
ngl they gotta give Savant an "I am the Lex" line at some point
dude sems like dredd, it's Lex this, Lex that
leaden thunder
I am glad I choose loner for mine
but both sexes for savant sound very pleasant
I find seer really annoying, the male one is normally tolerable, but the female one grinds my gears for some reason
patent steeple
btw i think since we are on the subject of personality voices:
Which zealot is the one that screams the FUNNY HALF-HERETICAL quote?
leaden thunder
fanatic
fanatic is the best one imo
but I am very biased
agitator sounds like a little bitch
and judge sounds like me doing a dnd villain voice
for males
faint perch
i really hate my stupidity in terms of choosing character personality voices... ...
I don't know if lame is the word I would use, I dare you to talk shit to that crazy nutbag face to face. He might just eat you up.
slow karma
The number of people wanting Hadron to just be an item editor with no downsides is stupid
forest coral
alotta people don't like any notion of rng
slow karma
Sounds like a good way to get bored of a game really fast
leaden thunder
it can be a little excessive rn, but that's more of a core game system issue not a crafting issue
ie blessings are fucked
stuff like that
see back to my
slow karma
Well that core level is gonna be pretty eased up come patch day
slow karma
We're gonna just be able to spam roll whites for bases
Besides, the real rub is expecting to get your best in slot for a staff that quickly. There's no thrill for the chase
Perfecting ones gear is a worthy goal but you can't just scoop it all up in one go and expect to stay interested
Even the best developers, which Fatshark certainly is not, need to pad playtime so they can develop more content for us to chew through
cyan notch
Perfecting ones gear is a worthy goal but you can't just scoop it all up in one ...
idk bout that
people were interested in vt2 and you could get perfect weapons much easier
dusty zenith
so lets say you end up with a lvl 3 run-n-gun blessing on your 375 rating purgatus staff(not salty at all about that)
slow karma
This isn't VT2
dusty zenith
what is even the difference between the levels of that blessing
slow karma
And no, you really couldn't
Not unless you were spamming max level runs
It took a fair bit of grind to get even useable shit in Vt2 at first
then you could steamroll
cyan notch
This isn't VT2
theyre the same types of games
slow karma
With wildly different design philosophies behind them
cyan notch
????
slow karma
This game is designed to keep people playing in a way Vermintide never was
That affect literally everything about the systems put in place
cyan notch
ok but it being designed to keep people playing in a way thats vastly different
but having the same core gameplay
slow karma
Which, again, is moot. The same core gameplay is what makes people like the game. But to sell mtx, you have to keep people playing the game longer. Keeping them exposed to the cosmetics and shit so they have more chances to consider pulling the trigger on some.
As such, the gear grind is a bigger deal here
slow karma
I mean, if that's what you want, I can't stop you.
leaden thunder
whether or not it's good void has a point with that being the design philosophy
same deal with them making it "live service"
cyan notch
mf we all know thats the design philosophy
slow karma
The gear system isn't going to be some Cheat Engine-ass item printer where you can just cobble together the best iteration of every weapon without it taking time
cyan notch
im saying they shouldnt need to
frigid burrow
Wow nice guys fatshork can permanently unlock your blessings
Deflector sword rerolls for everybody 
cyan notch
because people will play regardless after getting their desired gear
slow karma
People asking for the opposite options to not lock just want to play another games
That's way, way too free for this system.
cyan notch
unless you are saying that the gameplay is so shit that people dont play after getting wgat they want
slow karma
No, that's not what I'm saying
I'm saying very few games actually keep people playing at all without goals to chase
and in a game like that, your gear is one of the biggest carrots on that stick
long wharf
basically, FartShart took a moment to think "How can we possibly save ourselves by implementing a unique and satisfying weapon customization system?"
and their brilliant conclusion was "Let's just copy Outriders!"
slow karma
It's not the only one, of course, but it's a big one, one tied intrinsically to the core game loop
Hey, I'd consider this system way better than Outriders at its core
There's a lot of shit in that game you just don't ever want to use
long wharf
the gameplay at its core is better than Outriders
cyan notch
we all know the core game loop at this point
it isnt revolutionary to anyone stating it
long wharf
blessings are not better than weapon abilities in Outriders, though
cyan notch
we are saying its stupidly drawn out for no reason
slow karma
Well not completely but there's decidedly less fluff
No it's drawn out for a very clear reason
But that's also just not a problem for everyone
I play these games for the gear chase. I like the randomness of it, the loot bug had me since diablo 1
And this isn't that genre of game but it hits the same notes for me
slow karma
No, they wont.
cyan notch
….
slow karma
This has been proven time and again
long wharf
I play these games for the gear chase. I like the randomness of it, the loot bug...
the gear chase is secondary to build possibilities
slow karma
Even the best games out there don't stay interesting if you fill in all your dots and keep grinding with nothing to spend the reasources you're gaining on.
long wharf
there's no point in chasing gear that doesn't change how you play
cyan notch
what about experimenting with different builds and weapons
slow karma
They feed into each other
That's exactly what we can do now, this system isn't going to styme that
long wharf
and grinding out the same 5 maps is painful
cyan notch
No, they wont.
so why did people play vt2 after getting perfect reds then
slow karma
It is, however, going to demand more time than you want to give, and that's ok
Who is this "people" you're talking about?
rocky cedar
Voidbearer clearly has zero experience with the Tide franchise
frigid burrow
Do you actually like the gameplay or do you just sit in the shop all day
cyan notch
Who is this "people" you're talking about?
everyone on the game after however many years its been released????
rocky cedar
If they honestly think gear chase is what keeps people playing
cyan notch
are you just intentionally being stupid
slow karma
yeah, there's gonna be players of course that fill out their gear and keep going, I never said they'd stop on the dot
rocky cedar
That is a massively uninformed opinion
slow karma
I said they're going to peter out unless they can redirect their energies to a new goal
VT2 had a bunch of subclasses
You wouldn't want all the same shit on all of them
there was a grind there just like there is here
THAT is what kept people going
Trying out new shit, new builds, new stuff.
long wharf
grind is only acceptable to me when it serves to chase a worthwhile goal
rocky cedar
Yes DT needs more gameplay variety to help keep people around
slow karma
Yeah, that specifically is why things are falling off here
cyan notch
we have the same shit here? we are supposed to have subclasses
long wharf
there's no reason to grind
slow karma
it's just an easy target
vestal fulcrum
You wouldn't want all the same shit on all of them
I would want a Crit Chance + BCR + Swift Slaying Sword and Dagger on all Kerillian’s careers, actually
rocky cedar
there was a grind there just like there is here
And everyone I knew who played it put in 10x more hours AFTER the gear grind was done
And they actively complained about how shit the game was during the gear grind
Tide fanbase doesn't give a single fuck about gear progression
We just want to be able to experiment with builds
rocky cedar
I literally didn't meet a single person in VT2 who liked the progression there either
cyan notch
?????
rocky cedar
In fact we all had stories of friends who stopped playing because there was so much tedium getting to end game
Nobody fucking likes the grind
slow karma
The endgame is the fucking same as the beginning
cyan notch
people want to play around with blessing and perk combinations with different weapons cuz thats what brings variety
slow karma
it's the same god damn levels with the same god damn difficulty settings.
Nothing changes but your ability to handle it
rocky cedar
The endgame is the fucking same as the beginning
You never played VT2 did you?
Like it's so obvious
rocky cedar
Difficulty levels were locked and it took a painfully long time to get your gear power to a decent level
So the game gated you from max difficulty for a long ass time
During that grind is when almost everyone I know who abandoned the game left
slow karma
Not sure what happened here then
rocky cedar
I can't think of a single person I played with who left because the got all the gear they wanted
Literally not one
slow karma
Did I just get lucky and translate my previous joys to the parts of the games you revile?
rocky cedar
So so so many who lost interest on their way to max difficulty
cyan notch
oh wow yes i got my red weapon thats it time to not use it and uninstall
slow karma
Cuz that seems strange to me
I never said that blood
You're being hyperbolic for no reason
cyan notch
Fine, I stand corrected. You're all masochists.
says you
slow karma
Hey, you all suffered for your fun gameplay at the end of the tunnel. I had fun the whole time.
Which one of us is the real winner here?
rocky cedar
We're masochists cause we don't enjoy having options restricted and time wasted
Apparently
cyan notch
rocky cedar
I didn't hate the progression in VT2, but a lot of people were ready for more challenging content long before the game let them
Because FS fucking plays nanny to their players
And doesn't trust them with the content they've created
azure goblet
heyyy finally got the void w/these 2 blessings, can try out w/5% crit and see if the warp charges from AB are stable
idle bay
I have an unusual issue with me Zealot. On other 3 characters i've got gear i like to use that either really good or good enough. But on zealot .... well It's been a month and i have not seen a single good Thunder Hammer. Still using low stat one... because there were not a single one with higher stats or decent perks/blessings 🙂
I mean even on psyker - i've got staffs and force swords i wanted
cyan notch
We're masochists cause we don't enjoy having options restricted and time wasted
idk man sounds like certain people who enjoy being strung along for a needlessly long time and then stop playing afte they get their desired item after are the real masochists
daring nexus
idk man sounds like *certain people* who enjoy being strung along for a needless...
I me you have to have SOME rng. Just imagine if DRG just gave you all the overclocks for your guns once you promoted a guy
idle bay
So gambling on "new acquisition" may give me chance of obtaining one.
I wonder how low on average such weapons will be?
cyan notch
I me you have to have SOME rng. Just imagine if DRG just gave you all the overcl...
i agree thats why i say needlessly long
and things like locking perks and blessings are part of that needlessly long problem
leaden thunder
I think if you could upgrade the blessings
daring nexus
i agree thats why i say needlessly long
I think it will actually be kinda easy to get a god weapon once this next patch hits
daring nexus
I have tons of weapons that literally just need a different blessing to be nuts
rocky cedar
Perks don't need to be unlocked
leaden thunder
perks are boring
cyan notch
I think it will actually be kinda easy to get a god weapon once this next patch ...
blessings are way more impactful than perks and locking blessings are just bricking your weapon in many cases
leaden thunder
then why lock it if it's minor
rocky cedar
The intent is obvious
To keep the possibility of a slightly better version on the horizon
leaden thunder
again, they are boring I do not care about them, this is why I'd like them to be unlocked to some extent
daring nexus
blessings are way more impactful than perks and locking blessings are just brick...
It’s pretty easy to find a weapon with at least one good blessing
rocky cedar
Which is fine when it's like less than a 5% different in effectiveness
cyan notch
It’s pretty easy to find a weapon with at least one good blessing
yea but what if you want 2
rocky cedar
It’s pretty easy to find a weapon with at least one good blessing
And it's gonna get way easier with shop changes
leaden thunder
again if they let you upgrade the blessings locking one will be fine
daring nexus
yea but what if you want 2
Then pick the other blessing
cyan notch
???
my guy im saying if you want 2 specific blessings
you have to get a good tier on one you want then hunt for the other
leaden thunder
the tier part is the problem
rocky cedar
Yes and they're saying you only need RNG to give you one of them through shop or consecrating
leaden thunder
not getting the two
cyan notch
im aware of how it works
daring nexus
my guy im saying if you want 2 specific blessings
I like slaughterer and deflector on my force sword. I just take a deflector and put it on one that has slaughterer, problem solved
rocky cedar
Also blessing tier is somewhat minor in a lot of cases
long wharf
blessing tier matters
cyan notch
it definitely matters
leaden thunder
that's 15%
vs 75%
but like
t 1 confident strike
vs t4
isn't that different
rocky cedar
Let's be honest though, you in no way need a max slaughterer roll to do Damnation
rocky cedar
It's ok if you have to wait a while to trivialise the game with max stats
leaden thunder
Slaughterer, headtaker and I think another one are massive outliers
they are just
rocky cedar
That T2 Slaughter T2 confident strike knife will more than do the job
rocky cedar
Yes blessing inbalance is its own issue
leaden thunder
75% damage increase
vs 5% crit and weakspot damage
it's an issue that feeds into crafting
lethal folio
People are going to be very angry when certain blessings get buffed and they can't use them on the good weapons because of the reroll lockout.
long wharf
if a blessing is going to be locked from replacing, at least let me upgrade it
let me freely swap it for a higher version of the same blessing once I get one
devout axle
Wait, that's not a staff.
primal fjord
Oops wrong channel.
coarse dagger
hello siblings which staff would you take and why.
cause that cloud radius looks nice
cyan notch
bottom one
coarse dagger
i mean this is an option too ^^
cyan notch
damage doesnt make a huge difference in scaling
coarse dagger
ohh okay
thats helpful thanks
i guess the burn and cloud radius are most important for this staff?
cyan notch
yeah
coarse dagger
thanks
naive dawn
Isnt 76% burn the highest breakpoint for most stacks correct?
wet jacinth
Damage stat is minmax type shit really
north cradle
For anyone who plays Vet, I seem to be recovering stamina after dodging ranged attacks, but I don't have Duck And Dive enabled. Is there something else this could be?
rocky cedar
People are going to be very angry when certain blessings get buffed and they can...
As if they won't have easy enough access to duplicates with all the emp gifts and being able to direct order weapons from the shop
Made up issue TBH
north cradle
At least I have a new Docket sink
Spend money for grey
Upgrade to purple and hope one of the perks are good
Upgrade to gold and hope one of the blessings are good
Or maybe just end it if I get a bad perk on green and a bad blessing on blue?
rocky cedar
They literally just need to add an option to break down gear into plasteel and diamante and we'll be good
north cradle
That's crazy, that's never been done in a Tide game before
rocky cedar
I know
north cradle
If it was, it would have been such a no-brainer to add that in
north cradle
Immeasurably complex
For the Deadeye Penance, can I just use this on trash mob shooters if I have Counterfire as a feat?
Pop five heads and be on my merry way?
noble mason
ya
north cradle
What a wild world where Veteran has the easiest play style and easiest penances (in practice, not on paper)
forest coral
I think the vet ones are the easiest to cheese
Psyker’s ones are needing a willing team to help
zealot probably the best ones for actually doing legitimately
dusty zenith
for every shot counts i bought a 23% ammo plasma rifle, was done with it in about 10-12 shots
clear heath
zealot penances are actually well designed
empty wing
me
cyan notch
u
noble mason
i
daring nexus
Or maybe just end it if I get a bad perk on green and a bad blessing on blue?
I would upgrade everything to at least purple. You never know what the second perk might be!
north cradle
I get what you're saying
But at the same time, I don't want to waste too many resources
north cradle
Oh sick I got a gold Curio as a gift
clear heath
it's gonna have +xp and bomber res
forest coral
with low expectations
spice veldt
people usually recommend getting that penance on maps with events that spawn elites, and where those spawns are usually predictable
I haven't gotten the penance myself or tried getting it, but I know that gunners/shotgunners spawn in groups at the back of the commsplex midevent
forest coral
So you'll also want to find a group who knows you're doing this challenge
otherwise said grouped elites will got obliterated before you can even procc the peril
also if its ragers or other melee, the issue is softening them up to a point where the suicide will kill them
again, pain in the arse to do because malice elites are made of wet tissue but your suicide is only a bit stronger than a vet grenade
noble mason
whats the easeist way to kill 3 elites
get a zealot friend and duo until you get to a pack of gunners. have ur zealot throw stun grenades while u build peril and blow urself up.
ocean cipher
ight
i just want an outfit that looks better than the level 5 one, level 5 outfit sucks ass
dusky bear
going out with a bang is an unbelivably discouraging penance to try and get
even with 3 bots, the elites get killed before i can detonate
dusky bear
that would be easily. unfortunately all my friends quit playing as soon as i got the game
still hearth
Get new friends 
dusky bear
rocky cedar
My mate did it by accident this week
Overcharged by accident, saw a group of elites so figured may as well rush them before explosion goes off
The actual dream completion
dusky bear
its such a crap penance. not only do you have 1 try per attempt, but each attempt forces your team to revive you and deal with what ever you didnt manage to kill
one of the better maps to try it on seems to be the rarest spawning one too
wet belfry
You should check the vcs for people doing penances
You can join random ones and ask what their doing
They frequently are doing penances
feral topaz
whats the easeist way to kill 3 elites
I'm trying to do it myself, if you want we can try organizing a penance hunting group later.
ocean cipher
i got a third
ocean cipher
I'm trying to do it myself, if you want we can try organizing a penance hunting ...
i can in just a few
feral topaz
i can in just a few
Sorry, I need to head out for a while, but Ill be up for it in a few hours, Ill @ you
ocean cipher
i wont be up in a few hours
feral topaz
I'm sorry
ocean cipher
is all gud
west galleon
Just have patience friends, its all about the mindset 
light quail
I got OWAB by pure chance
was doing a heresy and things are going south near the beginning, saw a chance with a few ragers together and went in
boom, gottem
run was doomed so I said fuck it and went for the funny peril bomb
all I have left to do is pick & mix with monstrum malleum
hoping I can get an og buddy to daemonhost tank
west galleon
I got the pick and mix one by accident.
I mean i did ask nicely if people would assist me at the start of the game but instead of getting it during a horde with plenty of elites i got it while sprinting through an area xd
sharp obsidian
Should I keep +10% elites or reroll into something else?
uneven drift
Flak or crit chance i would say.
cursive crest
I see sometimes Psyker with laspistol. Is it a real thing ? I mean is there some good configuration with it ?
ornate hamlet
It's not great.
But its fun.
You can push enemies with the special action
Which has a long reach but not a lot of force
uneven drift
I see sometimes Psyker with laspistol. Is it a real thing ? I mean is there some...
Practically it's bad. For whatever other reasons it's fine like anything else.
forest coral
gun psyker with HH is not completely awful 
west stream
It works well enough
ornate hamlet
XII is among the most nutty guns
west stream
Pistol psyker probably would be bb heavy
ornate hamlet
So its the go to for Gunker
west stream
Depending on your blessings pistol lets you face full gunner squads ez too
Which you could just use a rifle for, but the push and dodge are great on top
cyan notch
So its the go to for Gunker
dont call it gunker
cyan notch
⏸️
forest coral
gunking all over the place
empty wing
https://tenor.com/view/copium-meme-pepe-frog-gif-26117735
There is no cope. There is only fun.,
empty wing
gun psyker with HH is not completely awful <:pogShark:597992818119802940>
YES
SEE @ornate hamlet?
ornate hamlet
Not completely awful is a