Can plasma blow up?
#psyker-class
glass thistle
spice veldt
yup lol
glass thistle
It always auto vent me when 99% and rmb
manic needle
Yeah these plasma guns are lore accurate
lethal folio
You can't explode if you don't use charged attacks
fresh halo
Siblings, between the two, which one should I upgrade first ?
spice veldt
melee matters more for a surge build so i'd go with the chainsword
manic needle
Without even looking, you might as well do the Chainsword unless Warp FLurry works on Surge now
fresh halo
That's Warp Nexus
lament topaz
Which psyker is it that has a line where he says "hmm" at the end?
supple skiff
warp charge dmg buff and gradual fall off, someone better check on fatshark I think they miught be sick
manic needle
All of the other Blessings besides Nexus are mid on Surge staff
spice veldt
he's talking as if you'll get warp flurry on the next upgrade
lament topaz
Like, he talks shit and goes "hmm?" at the end.
glass thistle
Btw they should let pskyer have plasma pistol, so we can blow up twice
spice veldt
that's a great idea
fresh halo
he's talking as if you'll get warp flurry on the next upgrade
Oooh
spice veldt
since surge doesn't really care about stats or blessings for the most part (except nexus, which you have)
so that's pretty much as good as it gets
fresh halo
So I should go for the Sword, then ?
spice veldt
yup
fresh halo
Alrighty, thank you Siblings !
manic needle
That's Warp Nexus
Im aware, thats why I said you shouldnt even bother tbh
glass thistle
The blessing of focus channeling isn’t important?
manic needle
Already have the one youre looking for
spice veldt
it's a nice quality of life
manic needle
Not really no @glass thistle
spice veldt
but you can hit enemies from behind cover anyways
and you don't need to aim with surge, so you can just dodge slide like a maniac
glass thistle
All my rod are with wrap flurry and focus channeling, but I rarely feel they works
fresh halo
Is this any good ?
manic needle
You honestly dont even use charged attacks enough to worry about it with surge
still hearth
It'll keep you alive
spice veldt
but +175% cleave sounds good, even if the cleave damage doesn't get boosted
to stagger enemies
still hearth
Big cleave is nice for staggering hordes
leaden thunder
savage sweep and rampage are probably the best ones for non zealots running it
still hearth
Chainsword also just has 6 cleave on its heavies
manic needle
1/2 aint bad for this loot system
still hearth
So you're hitting around 15-16 hitmass each swing with savage sweep now
manic needle
We'll see what sort of things are coming with the next community update
still hearth
Which is a lot of enemies to stagger
lament topaz
I'd imagine the CS has cleave, yeah.
leaden thunder
you'd think so
spice veldt
Is this any good ?
I'd probably reroll crit chance into something else
fresh halo
Otherwise I have these two that I could upgrade.
spice veldt
:o t3 slaughterer
still hearth
Its not like the Chainsword gets much damage from blessings anyways
spice veldt
well i guess you already have chainsword as your hordeclear melee
still hearth
So more cleave is good
supple skiff
so I haven't played the new patch. Do the psyker changes have any real noticable impact on gameplay so far?
fresh halo
Force Sword is a bit low stat-wise, but it has T3 Slaughterer
still hearth
so I haven't played the new patch. Do the psyker changes have any real noticable...
Yes.
Keeping stacks huge.
BB damage nice.
glass thistle
I still only run force sword on pskyer, because that’s our unique melee
Hope we get force maul soooooooon
spice veldt
I think those force sword stats might barely hit some damnation breakpoints, not sure
north cradle
I got a Force Sword that can one-shot Poxwalkers on headshot, also has Slaughterer on it. Doesn't have Deflector yet
spice veldt
oh shit, that force sword has +maniac% on it already
glass thistle
Only pointbreak I care on force sword is one shot mutant lol
supple skiff
oh fuck I missed that BB buff line
fresh halo
oh shit, that force sword has +maniac% on it already
Is that good... ?
supple skiff
I only saw charge buff and falloff
still hearth
The damage increase is also nice
spice veldt
as a Psyker, your only real DPS against mutants is melee, so it's really nice
north cradle
Maniac and Flak on a Force Sword is great
spice veldt
it also affects dmg against dreg ragers
supple skiff
we hit any new breakpoints then?
manic needle
Only pointbreak I care on force sword is one shot mutant lol
Is that even possible on Damnation?
glass thistle
Mine is maniacs and block effective no force sword
still hearth
we hit any new breakpoints then?
Bulwarks die in 2 bb with the right stuff
fresh halo
So next up to the leveling block is the Force Sword, then ?
glass thistle
@manic needle yes
spice veldt
if you heavy-special headshot with +maniac, psykinetic's wrath, full warp charges, and/or crit, you can one-shot muties as far as I can remember. So pretty situational.
north cradle
Scab or Dreg?
glass thistle
I can always one shot rager
manic needle
<@153266016087048192> yes
Show me the Force Sword you're doing it with?
glass thistle
Bb
golden tartan
as a Psyker, your only real DPS against mutants is melee, so it's really nice
XII
😛
glass thistle
@manic needle I am not at my pc, but I am very sure force sword can one hit 4000
north cradle
Huh maybe I need to check my Force Sword because even my +Maniac sword doesn't kill a Dreg in one hit
It kills Scabs fine
spice veldt
if I recall correctly, a heavy-special body-shot with a force sword with around 80/80/80 does like 2.7k dmg to mutants
manic needle
I'm curious if anyone else has a FS that can do that or can attest to being able to
spice veldt
yeah, you need to heavy-special headshot dreg ragers to even consider one-shotting them
and with psykinetic's wrath and a good stat roll
glass thistle
Force sword cant one shot mobs without perks and blessing
spice veldt
but it helps since it pretty much puts them into one-shot territory with a single normal heavy
glass thistle
Also you don’t melee rager at all
north cradle
I have a +10% mobs perk on I think a 75/75/70 that can one-shot Poxwalkers on heavy headshot
brittle crest
vanessa are you a psyker main now, have you abandoned us in zealot chat 
still hearth
vanessa are you a psyker main now, have you abandoned us in zealot chat <:sad_ca...
I'm everywhere.
north cradle
I dunno I think melee'ing Ragers has worked out for me so far since I can actually throw them to the ground
supple skiff
also did they fix lacerations effecting warp damage?
fresh halo
I'm everywhere.
Same honestly
brittle crest
ngl i love playing my psyker, it just feels glass cannon minus the cannon
still hearth
You can't one-shot mutants with Force Sword unless you weakspot hit them I think
spice veldt
You can't one-shot mutants with Force Sword unless you weakspot hit them I think
And even that requires buffs from elsewhere, requiring +maniac along with psykinetic's wrath and warp charges if I recall correctly
still hearth
Psyker is more like a swiss knife made of cheap metal
glass thistle
With 25% maniacs?
spice veldt
i think it's doable with +20%
still hearth
And even that requires buffs from elsewhere, requiring +maniac along with psykin...
You can one-shot them to weakspot with +25% maniac and 6 warp charges
glass thistle
I duno but force sword easy getting headshots
brittle crest
but you can't make up for shit going bad on psyker like you can on zealot?
manic needle
AT least theyre finally upgrading the quality of the metal a bit though
glass thistle
Easy with 2-3 wrap charges
still hearth
So if you weakspot crit you only need one warp charge
manic needle
👍
spice veldt
interesting
supple skiff
hmm so 4 stacks kills bulwarks with bb on damnation
still hearth
You can oneshot with weakspot if you have 4 charges
supple skiff
feelsgoodman
still hearth
Bulwarks have 2700 HP and take 1100 damage from BB so unless you're getting Kinetic Flayer you're not one-shotting them solo.
lethal folio
It's hard to do on bulwark as they can block the force rip damage.
fresh halo
Any advice for the Going Out With A Bang penance ?
glass thistle
Use BB on anything but mutants
glass thistle
@fresh halo best way is to forget it
still hearth
BB works well on mutants actually
fresh halo
<@!379291171454713856> best way is to forget it
But my hat...
lethal folio
Say you use forcesword special on a bulwark as it attacks and opens the block, it then goes back into block mode and will stop the damage.
spice veldt
in an open area like some areas of consignment yard, it's pretty nice
glass thistle
@lethal folio lol bulwarks
still hearth
That's fair
spice veldt
and the stagger system means that bulwarks can get staggered for random, indeterminate periods of time
glass thistle
Or use surge on bulwark and force sword it, it close the shield instantly
supple skiff
Say you use forcesword special on a bulwark as it attacks and opens the block, i...
combo I like is bb for the open sheild then force swords special when it staggers
spice veldt
there's another combo where you can BB -> light combo -> light/heavy-special -> normal attack
it allows you to one-phase a bulwark
glass thistle
Or Just BB it to dead
still hearth
Is it better than just BBing now though
still hearth
spice veldt
BBing is like 400 dps, and that combo is 818 dps
so it's technically better if it's a lone bulwark
huddling in the corner of the map
glass thistle
But, the bulwark always die after the first Bb land
still hearth
They don't on Damnation
glass thistle
Vet and zealot just wait for it
glass thistle
They are like hungry wolfs
spice veldt
i also solo
i'm pinging a bulwark that just got staggered but my teammates usually don't take the hint
glass thistle
All looking at the bulwark and wait the pskyer to open it, so I stop the Bb
spice veldt
lmao
still hearth
That's a gamer moment
glass thistle
Btw I worst game I had is 4 player spam kicks to each other, the dam kick yes/no selection stun me to dead
manic needle
I hate that shit
I also hate votekicking people unless theyre intentionally trolling
glass thistle
And you cant tap esc to escape the selection stun
You need to use mouse rmb tap no
And next sec the selection comes out again
manic needle
I once had an Ogryn player get really mad at me because I voted against votekicking the newbie-ish veteran that was on our team
It's a cooperative horde shooter without ranked matches, stop taking it so damn seriously people
spice veldt
yeah; I don't mind players who are doing poorly
manic needle
Shit dawg there's not even a scoreboard
spice veldt
although I'm one of those people who are waiting for solo privates to come
so i technically prefer it if my teammates die or go away
glass thistle
Normally I don’t kick player, because if I kicked him how can I block him again
manic needle
Although to be fair the previous player selection wasnt even working for the longest time
spice veldt
i haven't, mostly because I forget that the functionality exists until after the match ends
glass thistle
I block those player
manic needle
There were one or two I would have blocked otherwise
The baby raging I can tolerate because it's funny, what gets to me are the obvious racists
glass thistle
Some ppl just don’t wanna the team does well, I just cant understand
spice veldt
i haven't had the misfortune to encounter those sorts of people
glass thistle
They just pop barrel next to you, intending
spice veldt
just one particular instance where an ogryn got mad at me for aggroing a daemonhost... that spawned on me on one of those desert maps
glass thistle
Or pick every ammo asap, just fire one shot and pick
spice veldt
yeah, i partially play psyker so that I can avoid the mild stress of competing with my teammates for ammo
glass thistle
Pop barrel is really toxic
north cradle
On my level 16 Veteran, I have the Damnation portrait and triple purity seal insignia so Level 30s won't leave when I join their Heresy lobby lol
supple skiff
lol you get get like 9 stacks of warp charges in the grinder now
spice veldt
i used to run my vet insignia on psyker till i got him to lvl 30
glass thistle
When in defends obj and everyone just standing, those ***** just light up the barrel and send you over cliff
supple skiff
get max stacks then swap to 6 charge feat
spice veldt
teammates can't blow you up if you run extremely far ahead of your team *tapping head*
that's my strategy on sections like hab dreyko
glass thistle
Defense obj cant run
still hearth
lol you get get like 9 stacks of warp charges in the grinder now
You could do that before
spice veldt
is there a defense objective with a cliff?
still hearth
But now its easier
glass thistle
Hab dreyko don’t have much to fall
north cradle
Espionage mission
glass thistle
@spice veldt the assassination that wait the lift
spice veldt
there's that one area leading up to the finale where bosses like to spawn
spice veldt
oh right that area
yeah i've gotten blown off the cliff before there now that I recall
or back below
supple skiff
man with 6 charpes you are so close to one shotting flamers and ragers on damnation, hurts my soul
north cradle
I got mine because I only pushed 17 off when the game launched, and it unlocked when the penalty wore off and everyone could play it
supple skiff
like one light attack to the head on armored rager kills it kinda close
glass thistle
Btw any hints what’s the new weapon pskyer will get?
north cradle
I hope it's one of the leaked Force Greatswords
spice veldt
depends; i'm pretty sure they have some weapons already finished
glass thistle
As zealot and ogryn is maul, are we going to have force maul too?
glass thistle
Problem is , can heavy force sword block？
manic needle
If we get more Force Melee I might have to come back and play again
spice veldt
i'm personally hoping for a single-target ranged dps force staff
manic needle
Even without a reformed crafting system
spice veldt
like a laser beam
manic needle
So Beam Staff but with blue flames? 😛
spice veldt
pretty much
manic needle
Plasma Pistol but its Psyker exclusive so you have 2 ways to blow yourself up
supple skiff
max them both at the same time
spice veldt
plasma pistol but it generates heat AND peril at the same time
devout axle
Plasma Pistol but its Psyker exclusive so you have 2 ways to blow yourself up
But I already have 7 ways to blow myself up 😮
supple skiff
hurl self into beast of nurgle
manic needle
But I already have 7 ways to blow myself up 😮
MORE
glass thistle
Plasma pistol won’t kill you
It just blows you hand and make you only can run in the rest of the game
devout axle
does psyker peril pop cause beast of nurgle to spit someone out?
No.
spice veldt
damn
supple skiff
unfortunate
glass thistle
Or storm bolter/ bolter pistol with psi bolts
supple skiff
would be really funny if your could go full peril as a last ditch before you get swallowed
idle bay
Game needs Rad Carbine - kill yourself and the team with radiation overdose 🙂
My mistake - Divine Aura not radiation 🙂
glass thistle
Also we need a feat to make psi bullets
still hearth
would be really funny if your could go full peril as a last ditch before you get...
IF you're about to explode you juts instantly do
I think
Its the same with dogs
If you're exploding and get dogged
You just blow up
supple skiff
well the buffs are definetly nice, but I dont think its enough to reel me back in :/
spice veldt
yeah; doesn't shake up the gameplay too much
devout axle
tbf, at least we HAVE gameplay now.
supple skiff
true
stacks actually worth paying attention to
bit of a convoluted nerf to purge though
still hearth
Nerf?
supple skiff
like not really, but heres my rationale
still hearth
I can see your point
spice veldt
cuz of warp charge generation?
still hearth
It does decrease in value a bit
But that's more akin to an S tier option being more balanced by other things not being C tier anymore
supple skiff
last line ult for purge had a draw cause you werent keeping your charges for long anyways, now you probably can keep them up for a whole mission without too much trouble
brittle crest
wait what
spice veldt
wat
still hearth
Yeah
brittle crest
how so
still hearth
Because it was the primary use case
spice veldt
i need the deets
still hearth
Got 6 stacks and they're falling off
Use Quicken
Might as well
AB at least gives you more stacks
Quicken was like "ah fuck I got nothing"
And you puke out your charges just to get some peril
God Quicken is so fucking awful
It makes me borderline angry
I want my CDR
supple skiff
yeah they should probably buff it
brittle crest
is that the top one or the bottom one
still hearth
Top one
spice veldt
top one
north cradle
Why would anyone take Quicken when Kinetic Barrage is right there anyhow
supple skiff
idk make quicken hit more like ogryn charge maybe
still hearth
Its a hard sell
spice veldt
i guess if you're doing a pure staff/force sword playstyle
north cradle
True
supple skiff
or make it 360 degrees
still hearth
Like even if your ult has a 9s cooldown
You're trading very fast BBs
With low peril
devout axle
Why would anyone take Quicken when Kinetic Barrage is right there anyhow
I had actually made a suggestion a while ago to merge KB and Quicken into a single feat, and come up with a completely new third option.
north cradle
i guess if you're doing a pure staff/force sword playstyle
Unless you're taking Psychic Communion and Kinetic Flayer, Quicken's payoff would still be nil
still hearth
And KB still does Quicken better if you have elites that you can BB
spice veldt
I had actually made a suggestion a while ago to merge KB and Quicken into a sing...
that could interesting; could be balanced out by removing or reducing the BB peril cost reduction%
supple skiff
kinetic barrage with that talent that gives cdr to special kills is just just better quicken lol
still hearth
Quicken should just not take charges and I'd use it just to spam staves
north cradle
KB + PA is the real Quicken
spice veldt
since quicken is pretty milquetoast in terms of effect and interestingness
still hearth
Quicken literally counteracts itself without the AB synergy to get more charges
Its just so dumb
Even if you get your ult again immediately
It's now weak AF
So what's the point
supple skiff
I was already using KB and PA to start engagments, its just better now with the recent buffs
barely use the ult as a knockback when I play and more like a self buff
spice veldt
i think a flat CDR would be good enough
still hearth
Like 50% CDR?
still hearth
Hmm
spice veldt
since if it didn't shed any warp charges, it would be OP
or maybe shed half of your warp charges instead
still hearth
15s is a long time though
spice veldt
still pretty decent
still hearth
Compared to the other options
spice veldt
true
slow karma
it needs to be replaced with something actually interesting
still hearth
Make it remove all peril and around 10-15s
Then its fine
The only thing with that is that you can combo it with PA
spice veldt
some people have been talking about quicken providing some personal buff when using quicken
still hearth
Because CDR doesn't actually reduce cooldown based abilities
spice veldt
like movement speed, melee attack speed, etc.
supple skiff
give an attack speed buff
still hearth
I'm fine with Quicken just being more ults
But then make it be MORE ULTS
Not LESS
You ult less with Quicken
Because its so useless
I had the idea that Quicken would give 2x charges
So you can at least stack faster too
manic needle
Add the ability to ult to lose your stacks with this one nifty feat!
devout axle
Add the ability to ult to lose your stacks with this one nifty feat!
Losing your stacks would be fine, if the payoff was worth it.
supple skiff
change nothing about quicken aside from making it replace the usual yell with the witness your doom line from DOW
quicken now BIS talent
manic needle
Lose your stacks so you can ult again more quickly to lose your stacks again
still hearth
Why isn't Quicken just
spice veldt
or make quicken have a passive like ascendant blaze does to get a chance for warp charges on some particular condition
still hearth
More charges on ult
Like Zealot
Give me double ults
If Quicken is the way it is
But I get 2x Warp Charges
From anything
That's acceptable
3x BB to spam ult
I can keep spamming it forever basically
spice veldt
being able to spam your ult would be pretty good
even as a gap-closer on ranged enemies
still hearth
Doesn't it have fall-off over range?
north cradle
Or a temporary Peril Resistance buff to all attacks
spice veldt
probably
but it still interrupts them
i have a monkey playstyle where I run into ranged enemies anyways
still hearth
If we stick to the CDR theme then there's a few ideas but I do like the idea of Quicken being the mundane version too.
supple skiff
still hearth
Since we have KB for BB. AB for Purge. Quicken could either be melee/gun, or it could be for the other staves.
red forum
anybody knows if 6 warp stacks is enough to 1-shot pox burster on t5?
still hearth
I don't think it is
spice veldt
attack speed would probably be good enough
still hearth
It's barely not enough to 1-shot bursters
spice veldt
like zealot's retribution (+attack speed at low hp) which apparently affects the firerate of guns as well
north cradle
Why are all three of the Veteran capstone feats allowed to refresh the ult for doing the Vet's job, and Psyker gets effectively punished choosing one
red forum
so, what did the brainburst buff affect then?
devout axle
This is from a brain storming session I had a little over a month ago when I was trying to think about how I would rework Psyker talents to make them more interesting/impactful. For the 30 talents, I wanted to give each a niche that fit a certain playstyle, and also give each of them the potential to recover expended warp charges.
still hearth
I mean you do 10% more damage
idle bay
Quicken is mostly used to keep on going with powers spam during tough encounters. So it will make sense to add something like - drops peril to 0%
Like our ult was before THE FIRST NERF
still hearth
It does let you 2-shot bulwarks
devout axle
burst DPS on ult use
That was the idea, yeah.
north cradle
This is from a brain storming session I had a little over a month ago when I was...
That would make Quicken actually busted lol
still hearth
Hmm
spice veldt
That would make Quicken actually busted lol
maybe balanced out with the removal/tempering of the BB peril reduction%
since kinetic barrage itself is pretty good already
void mural
Wait, quicken doesn't do what it says it does?
still hearth
That's a mock up thing
north cradle
I love your new Kinetic Barrage though
spice veldt
same
spice veldt
i think it fits the name better as well
makes sense that "quicken" actually means that your brain bursts are faster
and kinetic barrage is more of an actual barrage
void mural
That's a mock up thing
Nah, I meant the conversation above, saying quicken doesn't do anything
spice veldt
meant in a metaphorical sense
still hearth
Yeah
void mural
How so?
still hearth
It eats your charges
Which is what makes your ult stagger
And while you have your ult again
You don't have charges
So you don't get the CDR if you use it again
spice veldt
unlike Ascendant Blaze which usually feeds you warp charges
still hearth
So it has anti-synergy
spice veldt
or Kinetic Barrage which doesn't consume any warp charges
void mural
Ah, so it does what it says, but it's self destructive
north cradle
Also borks your passives and Peril Resistance feat if you're using that
void mural
That would be a good combo in that mockup to recoup them
supple skiff
Make quicken barrage. Make barrage consume charges and empower Bb for a set duration based on charges consumed
still hearth
Yeah it makes sense to do that
Idk
I just want CDR on my ult
That's all
I want it to always be a good CDR
Not a bad CDR
spice veldt
esp since it's 30 seconds
compared to veteran's 25 seconds
tbf, other classes have a 30 second ult
still hearth
Veteran is just cracked
spice veldt
just vet
devout axle
compared to veteran's 25 seconds
tbf, we also have a SECOND talent that gives us CDR as well.
spice veldt
and because of the duration of their ult, it's 20 seconds
void mural
I mean, when you're allowed to be always I'm your ult, kinda broken
still hearth
tbf, we also have a SECOND talent that gives us CDR as well.
That also give everyone CDR
But you need to kill things
supple skiff
It all gaurdsman were as good as vet the external war would be over by now
still hearth
Which Psyker is notoriously not allowed to with Vets around
long wharf
it needs to be understood that psykers suffer from original sin
supple skiff
Eternal*
long wharf
which is being called OP in the closed beta
void mural
Yeah, I wish more vets knew to ignore glowing heads. They're going to die without your assistance
still hearth
They deliberately hit them
lunar hollow
Yeah, I wish more vets knew to ignore glowing heads. They're going to die withou...
i see it as target highlighting
spice veldt
WHAT
lunar hollow
makes it easier to find the head
void mural
I mean, it's literally a glowing target beacon, so it's kinda why
idle bay
Psykers can keep Zealots in party immortal
supple skiff
didnt play the beta
spice veldt
bro what is that interaction
supple skiff
what made psyker broken
devout axle
bro what is that interaction
It's kinda funny is what it is.
north cradle
Brain Burst cost less, damaged more, ult vented all Peril
spice veldt
with zealot's own feats breaking their own functionality between team members, I can sort of see some connection
but
what
devout axle
Brain Burst cost less, damaged more, ult vented all Peril
Ult also had a chance to trigger Brain Burst on enemies hit.
still hearth
bro what is that interaction
That's not the first time this happens
Zealots also trigger each other's passives
If one is on 2 HP
And someone else takes damage
supple skiff
wow
still hearth
It triggers
spice veldt
whew
north cradle
Ult also had a chance to trigger Brain Burst on enemies hit.
It did? I mostly played Vet during the closed beta but that sounds hilarious
supple skiff
nostalgic for the days I wasnt around lol
devout axle
It did? I mostly played Vet during the closed beta but that sounds hilarious
Yeah, it was a fairly low chance and I think it had an internal CD, but I know I always procced it at least once or twice when ulting into a Horde.
north cradle
I once told my teammates to not kill a Flamer, I let it hit me, I smacked it with Thunder Hammer, all my health came back, and they were in disbelief
devout axle
It's where I pulled my idea for the kinetic barrage mockup I did.
idle bay
What's the point of low HP for Zealots, it's like they feel like they don't doing enough damage already ? Why going for those extra % from Martyrdom?
still hearth
It isn't.
devout axle
What's the point of low HP for Zealots, it's like they feel like they don't doin...
There isn't. Zealot gets low HP buffs because Zealot is ability for ability a copy of Zealot from Vermintide. But in Vermintide, you could have a full bar of Temp HP and still get all of your bonuses.
still hearth
The low HP builds are challenge runs
still hearth
But they're reworking it it seems
devout axle
and you got more bonuses
And you got more bonuses.
Bonus Attack Speed, Damage, and Damage Reduction for having low health.
idle bay
Not one variant of Zealot shouts : "Sigmar! Bless this ravaged body!" So i don;t register them as true zealots in my mind
just wannbies
devout axle
BY THE COMET!
north cradle
The packmaster troubles us no more
idle bay
https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/honour-the-martyr-stack-overflow/74930
By the Big E! 8 stacks!!!!!!
north cradle
Gee Bill, your Beloved lets you have eight stacks?
supple skiff
legion of the damned looking ass
still hearth
If they change it to 10% per stack
balmy zealot
holy sigmar, ravage this blessed body
still hearth
Then low HP won't be just memes
And you can run the +20% power to team
And then just go ham
spice veldt
they should make it 9 martydom stacks per 11% hp
supple skiff
a lack of play testing is tech heresy change my mind
still hearth
a lack of play testing is tech heresy change my mind
Tech heresy is every day work
idle bay
Snack break finished.. now 10 more missions for Psyker weekly
That 1000 missions Frame is getting closer 🙂
Just 263 more...
wanton cove
😂
covert ermine
idle bay
Completing 25 weekly on my second operative... and then on 2 more , and then back to Psyker hoarding materials
Just 9 more to go for Psyker today
devout moon
Just came back after a break, how's the psyker now?
devout moon
Sick
void mural
Yeah, they really need to completely redo the weekly stuff to either be reasonable, like vermintide with 3 missions per week and like 5 grim/scripture, or they need to make it roll over to the next week
long wharf
here's an idea
get rid of weekly contracts entirely
go to daily contracts
have there be no limit to how many you do in a day
no daily "completion bonus"
slow karma
Yeah good luck with that one
Engagement traps like that are what make the live service world go round
long wharf
it's not an "engagement trap"
slow karma
Also if they do it that way they'll just make the individual contracts annoying as piss to complete
long wharf
it's a better alternative to the weekly contracts
silk flax
How about. Make all resources shared across all characters.
slow karma
VT2 is also not a live service
I'm not defending these choices mind you
I'm pointed at the reason why things are here in the state they are
wet belfry
What is the health of a rager in heresy?
slow karma
Completion bonuses are meant to keep people playing more than they would due to the compulsion to complete them
Thus it is an engagement trap
wet belfry
I need to know specficaly for heresy
still hearth
So 75% of that I think
long wharf
I said get rid of completion bonuses
slow karma
It's gonna be a hard sell to get them to change it to something deliberately pro-player
summer prairie
1125
slow karma
yes and I'm saying your suggestion is gonna fall on deaf ears as a result. Try an idea that meets in the middle
long wharf
no.
slow karma
Well prepare to be disappointed
long wharf
I already am.
slow karma
I've been through this song and dance too many times to both standing my ground on shit like that.
long wharf
hence the suggestion
void mural
it's not an "engagement trap"
The weekly contracts are in the game, especially as they are implemented, precisely for engagement trapping
slow karma
They're being ideological about it. Which is fair, but ultimately fruitless.
void mural
@long wharf if the current weekly contracts aren't engagement traps, what would you call them?
slow karma
I so often foolishly try to get people to reframe their suggestions to something a developer is actually likely to consider and it often gets me barked at. Not sure why I still bother lol
void mural
Because you have hope
idle bay
A pleasant surprise - Bot will team up with you to melee rush the Boss
slow karma
lol
leaden thunder
more or less
slow karma
I mean no, it's not really that simple
leaden thunder
just depends on the intention behind it
slow karma
It's HOW the reward is earned
That completion bonus tickles a compulsory urge to finish the whole list
it's one of many common psychological tricks to keep players playing
void mural
Same thing
Implementation matters a lot. For example, vermintide 2's contracts weren't engagement traps. They were enticements to log on, but were easily completed withing 1-3 missions. They were login encouragement, not trying to keep you in the game longer than you'd otherwise be. They were encouragements to login daily/weekly
Those are reasonable because they aren't intended to waste huge amount of your time chasing a reward that they could have implemented in auch more player friendly way
It's the same logic behind requiring players to log into a server based lobby instead of solo lobby that you invite people into or matchmake directly into. It's to force players into contact with other people to have more chances to "advertise" cosmetics that other players are wearing. Same reason why it's third person now, so you subconsciously directly compare your crappy non-premium cosmetics to their shiny paid for ones.
long wharf
I'm all for daily contracts that are completable within 2~3 runs
slow karma
Most of us would be
long wharf
or even have contracts that apply ad hoc modifiers to runs
slow karma
That'd be even better
long wharf
like having a contract for defeating a strong enemy, and if you run an assassination, the end boss is stronger than normal
slow karma
I fee like we'd want those to be opt-in in a different way
LIke yeah you'd have to take them but then you'd also be pugging
long wharf
regardless, discussing daily/weekly contracts is moot for as long as Sour Milk hands out absolute trash
slow karma
Or if you don't have a premade, you'd not bother with them at all
I dunno how else to improve his stuff that isn't just going to undermine the gear chase
leaden thunder
man, all my homies hate melk
slow karma
I still think the concept of reverse rarity weighting is the best option
long wharf
then have Sour Milk sell whatever blessing tokens they come up with
slow karma
He can offer all rarities of gear but the lower th rarity the higher the base stat rolls start out as.
long wharf
instead of selling gear
slow karma
That could be good too but it's a bit too binary for me personally.
He either has good tokens or he doesn't
long wharf
buy base gear with dockets, buy the specific blessings you want with Milkies
slow karma
Milkies
holy fuck
long wharf
I've been, to date, unsuccessful in getting other people to refer to Sour Milk's currency as Milkies
I haven't stopped trying, though
void mural
like having a contract for defeating a strong enemy, and if you run an assassina...
That'd be more like the deeds system in V2, which was a completely different system from daily missions
void mural
I've been, to date, unsuccessful in getting other people to refer to Sour Milk's...
That is pretty good
iron marten
I've been, to date, unsuccessful in getting other people to refer to Sour Milk's...
And the crappy contracts you're going to reroll can be called Milk Duds
void mural
Hahaha, perfect!
long wharf
It sure did
olive ember
truly a moment of all time
btw did people ever come to a conclusive result on whether or not communion is still needed?
since warp charges deplete one at a time now
winged phoenix
Personally been loving using the 15% cooldown on elite kill. Its only downfall: Vets that are quicker than you
crude talon
I haven’t changed my fears because I’m lazy
fresh halo
Should I get this from the Armory and upgrade it, or is it not worth it, Siblings ?
idle bay
Just met a guy with Frame like that
surreal folio
Should I get this from the Armory and upgrade it, or is it not worth it, Sibling...
looks decent there m8, force sword always good to have deflector
if you got mats to spend, give it shot and see what the next blessing you get is
fresh halo
Will do whenever I get enough mats
surreal folio
once you do that, youll find an even better one in the shop the next day lol
surreal folio
Just met a guy with Frame like that
thats dope how they get a servo skull up there
void mural
btw did people ever come to a conclusive result on whether or not communion is s...
I haven't needed it at all now. I haven't been playing the warp charge dump lvl 30 talents though, so might be different if you're using those
fresh reef
how we feeling about the changes?
devout axle
how we feeling about the changes?
They are good. Exactly what Psyker needed.
still hearth
im not a fan of dumping my warps
I enjoy warping all over people
west stream
It's warpin' time
manic needle
I like to yell "It's Warpin' time!" before warping all over the Mourningstar
leaden thunder
i'm gonna warp
still hearth
I'll hold your hair Sean
still hearth
Warp as much as you need
void mural
im not a fan of dumping my warps
The only way I'd want to dump warp charges is if I'm running purg staff and soul fire lvl 30
surreal folio
does soul fire do much these days?
still hearth
Yes
surreal folio
I havent played my psyk since lvling ogr and preach but i remember it being super duper trash
still hearth
It scales in a weird way
leaden thunder
purge is real good for later on
still hearth
10+ charges become exponential
And you only need 6 stacks to kill hordes in a few seconds
Which is 2 seconds of flaming
surreal folio
so max stack with purg staff + soul fire stacks?
west stream
ye, ascending blaze also makes it so you basically recover all charges if you use it on a horde
brittle crest
should i be taking battery now on purge?
west stream
anyway
still hearth
Purge can get 15 stacks max
And 1 more if you crit
And then another 1-6 from Ascendant Blaze
So you can do some serious DPS
west stream
because you will be burning a couple dozen mobs, which turns into charges again
still hearth
But it takes a bit to stack up
We really should have the steam guide with the damage and stuff pinned
But if you have a choke you'll basically kill anything that isn't a crusher or bulwark
And they can't touch you
still hearth
And it suppresses well now so you can spray at shooters
And it does damage every 0.75s
For 8s + 0.75s per stack ticking down to 0
And the purge staff does around 16x3 damage per second as well
void mural
I do wish dots weren't exponential and actually had use at low numbers. Anyone know why they switched to exponential?
west stream
it makes them less useful at low numbers since they excel at high
void mural
But just like... make the stacks less and make lower numbers of them useful?
leaden thunder
i'd assume it makes them easier to balance at different difficulties
still hearth
They're actually kind of reverse exponential? They become less the more you have
west stream
I imagine the point is to make other weapons have a use
lethal folio
It makes things good at applying the dots more powerful.
west stream
I guess?
still hearth
But they start increasing quickly
void mural
But if you put less than 6, they're kinda pointless
still hearth
They don't want low stacks to be good
Well that's a lot of dps though
34 damage every 0.75s
On every target in 17m cone
If we assume a quick purgatus rush
For 5 stacks
void mural
Yeah, but then they put things like ogryn's blood and thunder in the game that only gives 1 stack...
still hearth
It doesn't actually
void mural
Wut
void mural
Yeah
still hearth
leaden thunder
bullgore tho
void mural
Wut
void mural
FFS fatshark, why you always be lying?!
still hearth
It's a feature
void mural
50% of the tool tips are just outright wrong, ugh
still hearth
Ye
frigid marten
void mural
But it applies 1
FFS, that's even worse
still hearth
FFS, that's even worse
Especially since bleed IS actually bad
Unlike burn or soulblaze
void mural
Oh? Different scaling?
still hearth
Max stacks only doing between 20-30 damage per tick
Except on Unyielding
Then it does up to 180
But anything else it's 20-30, each tick is 0.5s but the base duration is 1.5s
Then stacks fall off every 0.5s
lethal folio
Bullgore does apply two stacks
idle bay
Now i'm slightly more confident that i'm prepared for crafting update at least on my psyker
void mural
Max stacks only doing between 20-30 damage per tick
Wtf, that's absolute trash!
leaden thunder
it's mainly meant for synergies as far as I cant tell
void mural
Yeah, but like... why even bother making it a dot then?
leaden thunder
does it do the 180 damage to crushers?
still hearth
It would be nice if it did
void mural
I only use it for bloodthirst, but it should do some significant dps
still hearth
Bleed could use a lot of changes
void mural
For real
still hearth
It does way too little damage for how short duration it is
still hearth
The 4 stacks is decent
Since it has synergy
The other one is always trash
Always
They just need to make the numbers better
For kinetic Overload
And the other one needs to be on any BB kill and at least 3-4 stacks
void mural
Yeah, if they buff all dot sources up to useful levels, that's fine. Just imo could have entirely avoided the issue if they started with useful low count dot stacks
west stream
unrelated but amount of extra knives on psyker cosmetics is interesting considering he doesn't use any in that style
I image it may be a holdover from that rumoured knife-grenade it had during development?
leaden thunder
Yeah, if they buff all dot sources up to useful levels, that's fine. Just imo co...
part of what makes that hard is that the weapons the apply those dots (without a blessing or talents) are very strong as is
void mural
part of what makes that hard is that the weapons the apply those dots (without a...
Nah, if lower amounts if dot stacks were useful, they wouldn't have needed to code high stack weapons with such high number of max stacks
glad fern
unrelated but amount of extra knives on psyker cosmetics is interesting consider...
I think they are for killing yourself if you are about to be corrupted
void mural
If every stack of soul fire did somewhere around 10 or maybe 20 dps, then 4 stacks would be useful, and they could have made purg staff do maybe max 10 stacks, depending on balance. Maybe 15 stacks max, as that roughly matches high end purg staffs at about 300 dps if it's 20 dps per stack?
olive ember
I mean it’s 4 stacks per warp charge past max, which is useful on specifically purge
But that’s about it
void mural
Yeah, talking about how they could have made all non-purg soul blaze actually useful
And dots in general
Instead of the exponential scaling they have
leaden thunder
not by a long shot
toxic forge
So we're not seeing the same thing right
leaden thunder
no we are
spice veldt
yeah?
toxic forge
plus more bb damage
leaden thunder
veteran still exists
spice veldt
keep in mind that cerebral lacerations is an enemy debuff, so it's team-wide
spice veldt
on 2nd hit with BB
leaden thunder
so useful against, bosses and like maybe some ogryns
and I doubt that the 25% will make or break that, just make it faster
void mural
the best class in the game now right
Psyker is now not super annoying to play, and is actually viable in difficulty 4
toxic forge
Psyker is now not super annoying to play, and is actually viable in difficulty 4
every class is good in difficulty 5
void mural
Yeah, he's not the best class, he's now just good
toxic forge
damnation's not that har
leaden thunder
i'd say still probably the weakest, but not as far behind anymore
but like
weakest of the 4 classes
so w/e
void mural
every class is good in difficulty 5
Can you run every class on damnation? Sure, if you're good enough. But he inherently has a part of his kit that just doesn't work in damnation
leaden thunder
purge staff fucks up damnation
void mural
Purg staff is just that good
leaden thunder
basically unlimited cleave damage
toxic forge
Can you run every class on damnation? Sure, if you're good enough. But he inhere...
What part of psyker's kit isn't good for damnation lmao
void mural
BB
leaden thunder
not entirely wrong
spice veldt
BB is fine even as just an anti-bulwark tool
spice veldt
not affected by suppression, etc.
lethal folio
I don't know what people are talking about saying bb doesn't work in damnation
void mural
It has a good stun and opener, but it fails at doing its job for dmg
toxic forge
They don't use ammo, they can either have insane horde control or insane elite control, warp peril on block is broken af. They're only downside is lack of health
floral solstice
oh boy i think i woke up to a reddit discussion on discord
spice veldt
yeah; cuz it's not a DPS weapon
leaden thunder
it works if you need it to
it does what you need when you need it a lot of the time
toxic forge
It has a good stun and opener, but it fails at doing its job for dmg
Surge two/three taps maulers/ragers how does it not do damage
void mural
No, BB
leaden thunder
but sometimes that same thing can be done by shooting the thing in the face
void mural
I said purg is amazing
toxic forge
Ah BB you mean the BB that just got buffed
void mural
Yeah, it's now great up to difficulty 4
leaden thunder
I think
again
it's still good
but could be better
that's all of psyker
well
most of psyker
spice veldt
i think psyker will be fine once we get more ranged staff options
leaden thunder
some feats need a full ass rework
void mural
Yeah, imo BB should just have scaling with difficulty depending on what the devs intend for it to be able to 1/2/3 shot
leaden thunder
but that's for every class
it's better now, but it's a far cry from the "best class in the game"
void mural
Yeah
I now actually want to play the class instead of looking at him and wishing his mechanics weren't annoying to play
toxic forge
idk ogryn and psyker eating good af this patch
leaden thunder
oh yeah 100%
it's a great patch for them(though idk why that ogryn feat got nerfed)
it wasn't good before
void mural
Yeah, first sure they're now better than they were
toxic forge
I mean ogryn got nerfed/buffed and ogryn's always been goated
void mural
Are they where they need to be? Not really imo. They could use more changes
leaden thunder
the change to raging bull was a straight buff becuase they fixed how it works
so it applies to all enemies hit and not just the first one
void mural
Damn good patch imo. But the game as a whole needs a lot of work, including some of the classes
supple skiff
a force melee weapon with cleave, a single target dps staff option, and something to let us hit the damnation breakpoints on flammers and ragers with BB and I think we're set
toxic forge
I mean Ogryn is
really damn good
Always has been
Psyker's obviously the weakest of the four
But psyker is like a support class with a shit ton of benefits for their team
leaden thunder
the issue is that vet support their team as well
supple skiff
CL buff is interesting
toxic forge
Every class supports their team that's kinda the point
But Psyker does it in a lot more ways
Vet's got more damage than utility
void mural
Yeah, team support is kind inherent in all classes, and depending which you pick, talents too
leaden thunder
vet can: restore toughness to allies, restore ammo and grenades, give allies locations of priority targets
supple skiff
idk I think teamwide wall hacks for all the ranged spooks is the gold medalist as far as support options go
toxic forge
Psyker's able to just revive people in the middle of a horde like it's not a big deal just like ogryn is, doesn't use ammo, huge wave clear/elite control, good for getting slippery specials or finishing off ones that ran too fast for a vet to snipe
Dueling sword + peril block actually insane
toxic forge
idk I think teamwide wall hacks for all the ranged spooks is the gold medalist a...
If you're not using demo team you're trolling im ngl
leaden thunder
inb4 3 psykers on the team
toxic forge
In a normal lobby
Would rather have demo team
More stun nades + more boxes
more nades in general really
spice veldt
oh they fixed demo team to just be normal kills now?
toxic forge
I mean it's what the text says, even if it's bugged. Otherwise, still really good
Getting nades back for playing the game either way
Your zealot appreciates being able to stun ranged more often
So many people run bio-optic targeting you get people in damnation asking " why don't vets just always run demo team this is broken af " first time they have it on their team
spice veldt
maybe
but i'm a psyker main so I personally prefer if the vet runs bio-optic targeting
toxic forge
I just tag stuff lol
also covering fire ain't bad
Bit better now
Still would rather have nades
long osprey
New changes to brain burst is kinda nice, ngl
And the warp charges too
I was running warp battery before but now it’s just « chef kiss »
supple skiff
still a bit shy of one shotting ragers and flamers on damnation now, but a great step forward
green tree
To all you Psykers out there, enjoy this appreciation post: “You’re nobody until somebody loves you, and that someone is me. I love you.” Sincerely: An Ogryn/Vet main
<3
limber silo
Can someone help me figure out how to use the darkmass shop checker? Idk what it's asking for with account id and refresh token
wet jacinth
Your social security, Credit cards, passwords, and signature for a contract.
Those aside. Someone who knows help em out
limber silo
Yeah, general chat is just rambling about benching and squatting
wet jacinth
General is normie Heresy
limber silo
As a psyker I prefer the more intellectual hobbies (such as crying because the voices won't be quiet so I can hear the scriptures)
limber silo
thank you
forest coral
usually not worth mulling over every hour unless ur bored at a desk job or something
99% trash
ocean cipher
hey so, if i'm using a force sword and a staff, how tf do i crowd control
dont have purgatus yet
forest coral
which staff
For force sword, do 2-3 fist clench or pushes which knocks down crowd
then light>heavy>light heavy> rinse repeat
forest coral
surge is trash for horde control
ocean cipher
might be cuz my voidstrike only had 13% charge tho
ocean cipher
surge is trash for horde control
which i find ironic
ocean cipher
why wouldnt i just pop em tho
forest coral
but its very limited in terms of output when it comes to mass targets
spice veldt
Be warned that the Force Sword is bad at lower levels because of how much its stats scale unless you have the slaughterer blessing
forest coral
^
ocean cipher
esp since i now have a feat that brain blasting an elite or specil does fire
thats a fun one
forest coral
lower level Id actually recommend bringing a horde clear melee like devils claw
ocean cipher
aight, which claws are good?
limber silo
I hear mk1 claw is decent
ocean cipher
alright
forest coral
they're all bout the same
spice veldt
mk1 is the one with the horizontal light/heavy combo right
limber silo
I prefer mk1 because the moveset is mostly horizontal except for light 3
forest coral
Psyker staffs start popping off once u hit 70% modifier marks, except purg. Purg works anytime with shittier stats because flamer things
limber silo
I'm looking for a mk2 duelling sword, but the Emperor hates me
floral solstice
mk4 has overhead heavy1 for single, light1 heavy2 horizontals for horde
floral solstice
you dont need to bother much with gear until 30
spice veldt
Surge and Purgatus are safe bets since they do well regardless of stats
Purgatus is unlocked at lvl 15 or so
forest coral
I'm looking for a mk2 duelling sword, but the Emperor hates me
MkII and V are both really good
ocean cipher
i do like stunlocking muties and bombers
spice veldt
most classes unlock most of their weapons by lvl 20
floral solstice
i'd say just run void/purgatus while leveling
forest coral
Just keep in mind, if u use Surge you're most likely playing as a babysitter
floral solstice
then if you like surge it shines more the higher the difficulty imo
forest coral
surge rocks with teams that have VC
there is no shittier feeling than playing surge and your team is 3 zealots who think they're solo heroes
floral solstice
because on t4+ the stunlocks give your team so much breathing room
ocean cipher
basically my main methods of dealing with specials rn:
snipers, gunners, bombers, trappers, most small specials - pop em
muties and bursters - stunlocks
ogryn - spam force sword or two brain blasts if i dont wanna get close
my team almost never actually kills the shit i stunlock, i usually end up frying it myself
limber silo
MkII and V are both really good
Why no mk IV? It doesn't have the vertical strike in it's combos
forest coral
The stabs just dont do that much damage vs overhead strike
limber silo
Yeah, I guess. I just think mk II has ideal combos
recommendations for perks on duelling?
forest coral
MKII is easier to use since the stab staggers your target first giving you an indicator where follow up chop is roughly going to hit
ocean cipher
how do i effectively use void strike?
forest coral
MKV you need to mentally remember where the chop is going to land
ocean cipher
aside from getting one with better charge speed
floral solstice
half/full charge and aim for heads
limber silo
Also I've been running infested on my purge staff, is that alright since I use it for crowds?
floral solstice
crit chance perk for purg
ocean cipher
is it a dps or crowd clear staff
leaden thunder
crowd clear
ocean cipher
seems like the explosion does good stagger
leaden thunder
aim at head height of a hoard
floral solstice
yeah void is a bit of both
spice veldt
void is an anti-ranged and anti-horde staff
ocean cipher
do all 4 staffs have the same primary dire
leaden thunder
the purge staff has a puff of fire
ocean cipher
ah so its puff/roast
leaden thunder
it's kinda crap but the alt fire makes up for it
limber silo
crit chance perk for purg
What does crit do for purge? Doesn't the dps come from the burn mostly?
leaden thunder
crit doubles burn
floral solstice
What does crit do for purge? Doesn't the dps come from the burn mostly?
crits do double burn stack
limber silo
ohhhh