psyker-class

[feral topaz]

I used to run XII until I hit damnation

[river sand]

usually flamer or bolter but xii is rare in my feeling

[feral topaz]

You dont really do well as a substitute vet

[still hearth]

Veterans should run the braced autoguns anyway

[feral topaz]

have only seen one other zealot recently with it

[forest coral]

I still dont know how bolters are seen as good outside of vet that can actually aim. Might be skill issue on my part tho

[still hearth]

Just use the full auto

Delete elites

Swap to melee

[spice veldt]

bolter has pretty decent cleave/AoE and can target elites inside a horde

[still hearth]

Aiming is basically a waste of time

[river sand]

running trauma with 79dmg, 25 unarmoured 25 infested. its just great wish it had warp flurry

[forest coral]

ooh try with maniac damage

[cyan notch]

id post the bolter clip but im on mobile

[forest coral]

Is that the one you shared yday

[still hearth]

Unarmored and infested

Madness

Play purge already

[spice veldt]

even on Trauma, I think warp flurry is not too impactful? Or I can't tell when the blessing is active.

[river sand]

ensures 1 shot hordes on damnation even without stacks and without full charge

[cyan notch]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1053823148048527440/1071763256982646865/so_anyway_i_started_blasting.mp4

[spice veldt]

smh not running Psykinetic's Wrath

[forest coral]

bolter moment

[still hearth]

But why

[forest coral]

[spice veldt]

unarmored is still pretty useful against dreg enemies and their high ass base hp

[still hearth]

Tbf perks don't matter much anyway

Math is for nerds

[river sand]

unarmored ensures dreg onehots, infested ensures poxwalkers oneshot. scabs are always oneshot anyway and maniacs die to 2 full charged anyway

so with thoser you can run inner tranq and get and extra charged out before venting

[forest coral]

time to give this a shot later

[spice veldt]

the thing with poxwalkers is that Trauma does like 20-30 dmg outside of the epicentre at full charge anyways, so I don't think it's too impactful

[river sand]

yeah but the epicenter is quite big

[spice veldt]

well that's assuming 80% damage i suppose

[still hearth]

It really isn't

[river sand]

2.5m radius isnt small

[still hearth]

It's decent

But it's not big

[forest coral]

you know how some hordes clowncar drop into that one spot

and then you get perfect epicenter on them

[still hearth]

Trauma salivating

[river sand]

not big, but in a horde easily around 10-20 dead enemies, usually more than you can hit with void

[spice veldt]

my teammates wish they were me at that very moment

[forest coral]

Then your team mates go like, "bloody hell, look at that witch go"

[still hearth]

"even the freak can do good work"

[forest coral]

feels good moment

[river sand]

and nobody can deny that a good trauma hit is the most satisfying thing psyker can do when all the limbs start flying in the air

[spice veldt]

i have all my graphics down, but it's nonetheless pleasing to see all the enemies in a single spot disappear

[still hearth]

That's very true

Gibs are important

[wet belfry]

Do you want to be… The servitor in my calculator .

[cloud sequoia]

my go to psyker

[clear heath]

Do poxwalkers not die to trauma without the perk?

i thought they did

[cloud sequoia]

they did

fully charged

probably weird epicenter

[ornate hamlet]

As far as I know you always want to fully charge unless you can't, anyway.

Got no idea how the AoE scaling works with charging

If its linear or not

[near wyvern]

They have explosive resist so unless you have a really good damage roll they won't die without PW or a perk

[safe mountain]

Only a 100% Damage Trauma staff will one shot pox walkers without a +infested damage perk. And that at the moment isn't available to us.

[rocky cedar]

Based

High damage roll will one shot with warp charges

So infested roll not technically necessary

But it definitely helps

[forest coral]

Would u choose flak or maniac damage over it tho

[rocky cedar]

Not really

I'd still prioritise it

Cause consistency is very nice

And so is sometimes killing with part charges

[forest coral]

So infest and unarmoured ya?

[rocky cedar]

Unarmoured seems unnecessary

Unless it hits dreg shooter BPs or something

I'd probably rather flak

[forest coral]

I’m gibbing dreg shooters with it consistently with it

But I’m just not sure if that’s necessary or not

[rocky cedar]

Me neither

[forest coral]

Managed to luck out on a 80% roll for trauma

Might test it later when plasteel isn’t low again

[rocky cedar]

If the game ever gives me a trauma with good stats, a high level rending blessing and warp flurry I would be in heaven

For now I make do with good stats, low level rending and run n gun

[steel egret]

I have that staff, I just lack will to play

[cyan notch]

yea 80% only does 380 dreg shooters are 400

[rocky cedar]

Ok I guess that's an OK perk choice then

[forest coral]

Thanks blood

[cloud sequoia]

will post the stats later

[vestal fulcrum]

Oh my. This just rolled in the armoury exchange

Not ideal, but at least the property split is adequate

[cyan notch]

80% damage trauma sadly does only 285 to poxwalkers so u either run + infested or have 2 warp charges or psykinetics wrath

but without psykinetics wrath youd have choose between +unarmoured for dregs or +flak for scabs for ur 2nd perk

[ornate hamlet]

Not having 4+ Warp Charges constantly is smh

[cyan notch]

ive actually started using warp battery on surge with ab lmao

works best if u have a purg feeding you stacks

[ornate hamlet]

I still need to do a 4-man purge run one day

[forest coral]

It’s glorious and surprisingly effective

[ornate hamlet]

I'm still curious if soulblaze from different staves just stack faster or how that works

[maiden wolf]

Bet it would work well with kinetic overload

[ornate hamlet]

Run 4x Purge, everyone has Psykinetic's Aura and Ascendant Blaze, so you all just shout all the time and any time something dies you all get shout back faster.

Honestly you could probably run any 4 staffs and do that

[deft trench]

Didn't realise i was on my final contract reroll, i want to fucking die

[idle bay]

And it bugged and can't be re-rolled?

I found a new pleasure - to play Plasma Gun vet - constantly hurting myself a bit by venting heat, like in good old VT2 but without temp HP to eat the damage 🙂

[steel egret]

If you fire more than once a minute

You could be solid.

[cloud sequoia]

max level are bugged

[ornate hamlet]

Supposedly it just wont let you reroll if you roll the same mission type

[rocky cedar]

Damn that's super nice

[cloud sequoia]

best weekly mission

[ornate hamlet]

Those are some good weeklies

[cloud sequoia]

this one also good

the weeklies are bugged so dont grind it too hard

[ornate hamlet]

Other than 25 missions being a bit of a slog

I'm fine with these

Getting 25 missions on each character though

[rocky cedar]

At least you're not pushed into scrip or grim maps

It's long but also you just play the game

Which is better than a bunch of the alternatives

[cloud sequoia]

just wait for dev to fix it

already reported

i just hope the max level can roll more than 3 later

[crude creek]

But 25 scriptures are faster to do than 25 missions. So if you want to do weekly on many characters it would help to do it faster.
That's if you ask me.

[idle bay]

I only re-roll:

• Secondary objectives
• Grimoirs (low payout for a pain - some randoms can't handle even 1 grim)
• generally low payout (like not die in 3 missions)

[rocky cedar]

Yes but it controls what missions you do to an extremely annoying degree

[ornate hamlet]

I don't have time for 25 missions on each character each week

[idle bay]

I always keep both 25 missions and 25 scripturs. And i do it on 2 charcters

[ornate hamlet]

Well I could with sedition speed runs probably

But that's still like 250 minutes of gaming

[crude creek]

You are right, but it helps to save time

[idle bay]

Last week i did 25 missions and 25 scriptures on my Ogryn in a single day 🙂

[rocky cedar]

Yeah if you super care about doing all weeklies across multiple characters for sure grims or scriptures is better than missions

Personally I'd rather just play how I like and let my weeklies happen in the background

Melk never has anything good anyway

[idle bay]

He does have good things ... extremely rarely though. His main purpose is to sell t4 blessings donors for "in a few months crafting"

[crude creek]

My thoughts exactly

[idle bay]

There are few super-rare-shiny-pokemon Bleassings to catch from Melk

Like Bloodthirsty

Or Powercycler for Power Sword

or T4 Deflector

[cloud sequoia]

touch grass

[idle bay]

It's mostly snow here. And i did touched it early morning 🙂

3 hours of sleep and i was fine

[maiden knoll]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/10v3zug/deflection_of_ranged_attacks_should_be_a_class/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

[wet jacinth]

You sleep?

Here I am havent even slept at all

[forest coral]

[wet jacinth]

Someone with a hidef emote of phrog

[twilit flicker]

25 missions, if every mission is roughly 25 minutes, thats a bit over 10 hours. Doesnt sound so bad on one character only.

Just win every match and play a couple matches every day. Forget about playing damnation ahem other games unless you have ppl to play with. EZ

[wet jacinth]

Zealot penance to go under 20minutes

[ornate hamlet]

People do 7 min speedruns

Play Sedition and just run past everything

[steel egret]

Doesnt it require minimum of heresy difficulty?

[uneven drift]

Yeah, but you can run low intensity pretty chill gathering mats and so on about 15 mins.

[steel egret]

Sure, just that you cant do sedition for the penance like guy above said.. unless he just said it to state its possible to run sedition that fast.

[leaden thunder]

I think it was mainly about hte 25 missions

[uneven drift]

Yeah, i guess.

[steel egret]

Oh yeah.

[ornate hamlet]

I was talking about the 25 missions yeah

[slow karma]

Pox bursters have no business being that tanky

[ornate hamlet]

So you can do a bit more than 6 missions per hour if you're really speedrunning

That's still several hours for one contract

[wet jacinth]

This is how you know if you have good enough damage/aim

[slow karma]

It's a boltgun

It should have deleted that fucker

[hardy coral]

Psyker with Agripinaa Mk I on Heresy high intense is NOT the funnest but interesting nonetheless.

[ornate hamlet]

They're not meant to be killed unless you have an anti-tox burster weapon

Its what you get for not using an explosive weapon

[slow karma]

It's a bag of walking volatile gases, what kind of special weapon do you need?

[wet jacinth]

A push

[ornate hamlet]

A skinny ass dog

Has 1800 HP

[wet jacinth]

[slow karma]

The poxhounds are at least dense

[cyan notch]

[rocky cedar]

Still get clapped by melee

[slow karma]

Like, imagine it like a wild boar or something

[wet jacinth]

Where special enemy emots

[slow karma]

Those things can shrug off shotgun shells

Either way, I find that nonsense a chief reason to stay clear of Damnation.

At least until we have more tools to increase out power

[wet jacinth]

[slow karma]

I'm already fed up with pugging heresy

[junior patio]

Is this a good voidstrike staff and worthwhile upgrading?

[oblique hemlock]

I would buy it in a heartbeat, don't know about upgrading it though

[ornate hamlet]

If blast radius and Warp Resistance was swapped

Its a really good roll though

[junior patio]

Comparing it to my previous one then, swap them out?

[ornate hamlet]

The new one is slightly better imo

And Unarmored isn't a terrible perk for Voidstrke

Makes you reach BP to one-shot faster

Sustained Fire is only on primary iirc

So both blessings are kinda mid

[junior patio]

dang

spents weeks waiting for a good voidstaff but oh well

Cos I got another one that has been sitting in my inventory collecting dust but dont know if its worth keeping which is this

[ornate hamlet]

Transfer Peril itself makes up for the warp resistance

Lower damage is a bit ouch though

Blast Radius is basically a meme

[junior patio]

and radius is a bit smol

[ornate hamlet]

It does nothing

Its only the explosion impact which does no damage

Afaik it doesn't affect the shot itself which is where the damage comes from

I tried to see how big the AoE for damage is

And even while hugging an enemy and shooting the ground

You have to basically aim next to their feet

To do AoE damage

[lethal folio]

Only value in the explosion is shooting bulwark feet to open them.

Otherwise it's mostly a big suppression blast.

[cold mesa]

neat

dump stat it is then

[long wharf]

I'd rather see lower quell speed on void than warp resistance

[near wyvern]

How it feels when you finally find a good void staff with a good transfer peril roll

[ornate hamlet]

no such thing as a good voidstrike staff

[slow karma]

Rude

[wet jacinth]

That gif is more like a Ogryn landing a perfect Box at a Crusher mixed in a poxwalker horde

With the grenade feat

[near wyvern]

That grenade feat does way too much damage against a Daemonhost than it should

[crude talon]

Am I unreasonable in thinking that kinetic shield should just be a passive thing we have?

[leaden thunder]

yes and no

I don't think it super fits for this psyker

but for a melee subclass 100%

though I wouldn't say no to it being baseline

same deal with stagger resistance on zealot

[crude talon]

I think it would just make sense that the not so tough class gets tougher when it has a lot of its resource built up

But maybe I’m retarded

[rare furnace]

Ok psyker is more fun than preacher ngl

[crude talon]

Preacher is fun when you are axing everyone a question really fast

[rare furnace]

On my preacher I refused to use mk v axe

Although I think it would be cooler with the attack speed buff I like it on my psyker

[crude talon]

But preacher only really being “good” when you’re using the “crit to become invincible” build is kinda lame.

I wish the lower health build was good

[leaden thunder]

I mean

there is another build that works fine

[crude talon]

Working fine does not equal good

Is kinda my point

[leaden thunder]

it's pretty good

[crude talon]

I’m sure the low health thing could be fine

But it’s not good

[leaden thunder]

just can't face tank things,you have to dodge

the low health build is just bad with how dt works

[crude talon]

I cock tank things personally

[shadow onyx]

you are not invincible with crit build, if it was the case you shouldnt see knife zealot ragequit after being rekt

[crude talon]

I feel pretty damn invincible with an axe that’s for sure.

[shadow onyx]

i play with shred level 3 c axe and if i dont have map awareness or positioning i'm litteraly dead in a sec

[crude talon]

Well that’s bc you suck

[shadow onyx]

c axe is very safe

[devout axle]

Preacher is ability for ability a copy of the Zealot class from Vermintide. Problem is, in Vermintide you could get value out of your low health bonuses because you could still have a full health bar of Temporary Health. Darktide, you cannot.

[shadow onyx]

because this game is designed by ray charles

[crude talon]

That’s why they like the lights out mode

So much

[shadow onyx]

everything feel so lame thats why everyone use crit DR

from skateboard attacks from foes who slides from miles to reach you, you the dmg record

from spawners which makes you aggro 2 or 3 rooms

[devout axle]

Thing is, it's not even the crit or the hyper tankiness that makes it unfun for me. It's the fact that they are all using the knife.

Knife is so boring, and doesn't feel very "zealoty"

[rare furnace]

Maybe we get subclass with the more max health the more dmg

Like that one axe

[crude talon]

Using the knife is actually FUN AF to me. All the cool animations and shit make it fun but it’s just not good in higher difficulty

[shadow onyx]

they are already not able to change value from 1 to3 with max stam curio

dont expect much

[rare furnace]

Is stamina curio still bugged?

[shadow onyx]

y

[rare furnace]

Omg I have on my psyker

Two stamina thinking it will help his low in general stamina

[shadow onyx]

3 months since "release"

[marsh token]

What is bugged from the Stamina Curio?

[shadow onyx]

next year

[shadow onyx]

every stam curio give only one stamina

[summer prairie]

the text is wrong

[marsh token]

Oh

Nice

[shadow onyx]

its still very misleading

[still hearth]

Every time I play Psyker with purge

There's another Psyker with purge

And its the same thing with Trauma

Y'all posers coming into my games and stealing my job

[twilit flicker]

Whaddaya mean? More fire the better!

[lament topaz]

Imagine not having the blue balls staff.

[maiden knoll]

@uncut cradle : https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/10v3zug/deflection_of_ranged_attacks_should_be_a_class/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

[olive ember]

Am I losing it when did the knife become good

[lament topaz]

Always was.

[olive ember]

In what universe

[lament topaz]

Ours.

[maiden knoll]

So confused right now

[summer prairie]

High dps, mobility, block cost, safe

[lament topaz]

Knife has always been good.

Is very fast.

[olive ember]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/KS0bX9HJ4GCJF/d1337WHwKHnJ?invite=cr-MSwzTDcsNDg2MDU3NTUs

Pre nerf

[maiden knoll]

It's played on zealot for survivability with the 75% DR feat. Yet many hate on it because of the inability to kill fast enough.

[summer prairie]

that's not a psyker

if it was a psyker he would just res everyone

and not left click against the horde

[bold flint]

whats with all the hate for catachan swords

[olive ember]

I mean fair but that could be said about any weapon

Knife should be down to dueling sword level

[summer prairie]

The knife is better than the dueling sword in almost every way except slightly slower horde clear (but safer). I guess slightly worse dodging

[olive ember]

Doesn’t compare to the axe tho so still think it’s A tier

[olive ember]

A lot of work to make it useable and on par with other weapons iirc but tbh I never bothered using it myself so

[lethal folio]

Catachan swords don't have any strong points

Horde damage: low cleave and additional target damage.
Armour: No
Parry: Why

[olive ember]

also tbh I mainly use my melee for horde clear so

[bold flint]

catachan swords for me are like a weaker version of heavy swords for zealot

[olive ember]

Tho when I’m not using FS I’d be using an antax

[bold flint]

hows horde clear with axes anyway, do you just spam push attack

[olive ember]

On psyker yes

Peril blocking and spam push attack with brutal momentum + limbsplitter I believe

[lethal folio]

If you have brutal momentum you just use lights and that's good.

[olive ember]

On other classes you gotta use it’s lmbs

But for psyker you can afford since peril blocking

[lament topaz]

@olive ember What dog is that in your pfp? Seems too fluffy to be a Great Pyrenees.

[olive ember]

Honestly I’m not sure

It’s my sisters dog XD

Samoyed I think

[still hearth]

People still think Knife is bad??

[lament topaz]

Knife good

[lament topaz]

Fair enough.

[frank talon]

What's the knife do over the dueling sword?

I like it on my vet or zealot

[lament topaz]

Speed.

[wet belfry]

Honestly i dont think force sword deserves to be placed with dueling sword

[clear heath]

are... none of the enemies bleeding from any of his hits?
What kind of shitty zealot knife build is this?

[still hearth]

What

What are they doing??

[olive ember]

“Horde clearing”

[still hearth]

[olive ember]

It’s quite an old clip tbh I’m surprised more people haven’t seen it

[clear heath]

I've seen it before

[lament topaz]

You don't horde clear with a knife?

Since when?

[clear heath]

i just never noticed the guy had 0 bleed in his entire build

bleed wher

[idle bay]

It's "Introduction to London video for tourists"

[willow hazel]

A very fast push attack that one shots every normal enemy on damnation.

[west stream]

thats why I play pistol psyker

nobody else plays that shit

[clear heath]

if i get in to a game with 2 gun psykers, i will be scared

[rare furnace]

Tried today lol was fun

Because emperor gift

[west stream]

I have a pretty decent one

so I like to use that

just use ascendant blaze for horde clear anyway

6 stacks of shove will burn horde to crisp and refill after all

[still hearth]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzlqeLlfLdo&ab_channel=VanessaWGames

[marsh token]

https://youtu.be/NZGh--gRmvQ
Dont be a meme.
Be a Warrior

[crude talon]

Why would you record in your widescreen’s aspect ratio? That’s a real fuckin meme lol

[idle bay]

He is playing Darkest Dungeon, not a Darktide 🙂 Making the best out the worst situation 🙂

[crude talon]

Looks like I’m watching from a fucking fishbowl

[twilit flicker]

Its funny getting knife killstreaks. Everyones on edge because the magic man is going nuts but this time instead of being afraid of fire, theyre afraid of getting shanked.

[wet jacinth]

What's up with pistol psyker?

Is the bash different when psyker uses it or smth?

[west stream]

It's a force push for one

[wet jacinth]

Hm

Vs others using it. It's just a bash

[lament topaz]

How goes it, my favorite schizos?

[high agate]

ur smelly

[lament topaz]

And?

[high agate]

Use some soap

[lament topaz]

Soap don't work on Nurgle's Primarch.

[high agate]

But have you tried?

[lament topaz]

Yes.

[magic burrow]

yeah, the knife block attack is basically a free heavy strike

[cold geode]

Which dueling sword is best dueling sword?

[lament topaz]

Fulgrim’s.

[willow hazel]

I like the mkV because the heavy attack is an overhead instead of a stab

[cold geode]

Cool, I have a blue 380 base stat lying around. I'll give it a shot.

[idle bay]

A guide with a a LOT of Scriptures locations. 265 out of 274 known scripture locations documented. That's roughly 97%.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2918149936

[steel vapor]

What perks/blessings does one want on a Surge staff?

[idle bay]

They are meaningless on Surge. Save for Run and Gun - that one actually gives you something you can use and feel 🙂 And i'm not saying it as a joke - i find that Blessing quite useful

[willow hazel]

Warp Nexus is great. Perk wise +flak damage is ideal

[steel vapor]

Fair! Yeah, flak seems like a must have, then i guess its between unyielding or carapace?

[willow hazel]

Or +crit%

no unyielding, you don't want to be using surge on monstrocities

[steel vapor]

Nah, but like reapers and bulwarks i guess

[rocky cedar]

V has best damage output by a solid margin, IV has the best horde control light attack pattern and has massive style points.

[wet jacinth]

Mk V also has Defence instead of Cleave like the other 2

This very notable in that your dodge distance is large As fuck

Imo the 2 outside of Mk V. Light attacks are basically solid horde attacks.
The main difference comes the heavy attacks. Mk IV iirc has 2 Stabs for the Heavies.
The other is 2 Diagonal Slashes.(I forget the Mk of this one)
Mk V has 2 Overhead slashes for the heavy attacks.

The overheads make it very easy to get headshots

[forest coral]

I think the Ai director broke in one of the quickjoins I played yesterday at Relay Station TRS-150

there was less than 15 seconds break between each horde, elite or monstrosity outbreak

even if it was only heresy hi int, it felt harder than damnation Hi int

another player and I spent 5 minutes straight slashing and trauma exploding at a door of waves until we decided it was never ending and ran for objectives

and then it was that horde + the actual event horde on top wtf is going on

[light quail]

diagonal slash one also has overheads

that's my fave

the stab has a shitload of stagger too

[forest coral]

The stab also lets you safely do the overhead against humanoid elites with good reach

[wet jacinth]

When I say overhead. I'm referring to straight vertical downward swings.

[crude talon]

mk5 is the best dueling sword

I still cant get over how fucking god awful that video was earlier. Literally unwatchable wtf

[long wharf]

are you fucking kidding me? 274 possible locations for scriptures across 5 maps?

[sweet drift]

You are better off just looking for them, they aren't that hidden

[wet jacinth]

Memorize em all

[sweet drift]

The guide doesn't really make sense tbh, it takes longer to look up a scripture location than it does to take the 5 seconds to check that corner (which you should be doing anyways to arm up)

[long wharf]

I mean, if you're checking every corner anyways, it really doesn't matter

[ripe zinc]

goodbye sweet prince

[long wharf]

meh, you didn't miss anything

[round fossil]

Hello stupid idiot psykers would you rather do 10 burpees or 20 push-ups for blowing up from peril

[clear heath]

do both

[spice veldt]

burpees is a bit more full-body than push-ups right

so i'd do burpees to get that full range

[round fossil]

Your input is appreciated

It’ll be 10 burpees but -2 for each special enemy killed in the explosion

[spice veldt]

equip +wounds along with +corruption resistance. Assuming that none of the recent patches have fixed it, corruption resistance prevents corruption from fully corrupting a wound after going down, technically giving you some extra revives.
I'm not 100% sure if it still works this way though since I haven't run corruption resist in a hot minute, so somebody will have to fact check me

[fierce sinew]

20 push ups is much much easier

you'd need like

bottom 5 percentile strength to make those even

[calm quail]

question: is sustained fire working as intended on a trauma force staff?

[long wharf]

can confirm - burpees are much harder than pushups

source - I used to be in shape

[high agate]

Are you trying to build muscle in specific areas or get completely gassed with high intensity cardio every time you explode?

[round fossil]

I don't know I don't play psyker im just making a workout sheet for darktide.

I plan to post it on steam community

10 burpees is alot though

maybe 5 and -1 for each specialist killed (if they kill any)

[high agate]

But peril explosion is pretty rare i think

[round fossil]

yeah

thats why its burpees

[wanton cove]

🤤

😂*

Wow that was the worst incorrect emoji to post ever iPhone 🤣

[round fossil]

used to lmao

im trying to get in shape thats why im making this list

[floral solstice]

psykers talking about fitness

what heresy is this

we only need to have a strong right arm so we can swish around our dueling swords with style

[round fossil]

im not a psyker im just asking them if they deserve to do burpees for exploding from too much thoughts

[spice veldt]

good thing you made this list after I spent 400 hours learning to manage my peril

[round fossil]

you do 10 (just you) other people will need to hold you accountable

[long wharf]

freudian slip much?

sorry, but I'm not a Bear 🙂

[forest coral]

swole psykers (impossible)

[high agate]

Honestly the zealot barely even looks swole and that guy can swing a 7ft tall chainsaw

[forest coral]

They have power of faith

psyker has power of common sense and dreams

[round fossil]

indomitable human spirit

[fierce sinew]

was there ever a reason given for the antax maniac damage being the way it is?

did they just copy paste the light attack values

none of the stats modify maniac damage, and all of the stats that modify light attack also modify heavy attack and vice versa

it just seems a weird design choice to make a heavy attack deal less damage than a light attack

[cyan notch]

its like that for all combat axes

[fierce sinew]

yeah, I'm just wondering why

is this a just fatshark things moment

[cyan notch]

yea kinda

they want you to use specific combos for certain stuff i think

[wanton cove]

Lmao!

[fierce sinew]

also I forget who I was talking to about it the other day but I'm testing more in the meatgrinder now and limbsplitter doesn't change soulblaze damage unless an attack is in progress

[long wharf]

that makes sense

since it's got a time limit due to chain attacks

[fierce sinew]

before someone was saying it was -20% all the time except during the first attack in a chain

the obvious use case of interest being taking out your axe on monstrosities that are already wearing max soulblaze stacks

even if you're just kiting the thing if you have unyielding on the axe you gain damage

[long wharf]

yeah, but it's a good thing it doesn't work that way

it'd be a little silly

[low onyx]

r8 my loadout

[floral solstice]

im actually finding damnation games in the morning

not daed gaem

[rocky cedar]

Fresh, innovative, a leader in your field

[low onyx]

Wanna hear something controversial

Pistol shove is better lightning staff

[rocky cedar]

That certainly is controversial

And I'm struggling to follow any thread of reasoning there

[forest coral]

implies using pistol

[low onyx]

You get lighting staff levels of stun but also you have a gun

[rocky cedar]

So your laspistol push stops a Mutie?

Or a crusher?

[low onyx]

Crusher yes

Mutie I just avoid because Im melee heavy w officer sword

[rocky cedar]

Wait does it actually interrupt a crusher?

What the fuck

[long wharf]

21 people in voice chats right now

lowest I've seen it at this time of night

[low onyx]

monday tho

[manic needle]

Are gamers known for playing less video games on Mondays? I feel like we're confusing gamers and restaurants

[long wharf]

no, I think that's generally true

families are less likely to go out to eat on a school night as it is

Monday being the first school day of the week has a higher likelihood of homework or other thing that keeps kids busy and off games

Mondays and Tuesdays are typically the slowest days of the week for restaurants

[low onyx]

Its only 10:45 on the eastcoast anyway

[fierce sinew]

I think it's more to do with our reset being on sunday

the sort of player who logs on to do weeklies and stops when they're finished is more likely to be on closer to reset

[forest coral]

Well, same 14 maps are only so much content unless we give ourselves goals to do

[cyan notch]

50k plasteel

[forest coral]

I’m still broke on plasteel

[floral solstice]

am i going crazy, cause i think i wanna keep ordo dockets lol

[forest coral]

In case we get smacked with another resource sink?

[spice veldt]

what a t4 perk does to a mf

seems fine if you don't have any trouble with the game at the difficulties you usually play it

[lunar hollow]

ordo dockets is fine (at least it exp) but honestly money isnt that hard to come by

[floral solstice]

i think i'll regret replacing ordo if they slap us with something like shop rerolls requiring ordos

[forest coral]

You can finish the game on damnation as is with blue curios and blue weapons

[floral solstice]

no no i must use gold cause im high class

[forest coral]

But gacha making the brain go monke

[forest coral]

https://tenor.com/view/judgemental-aristocrat-volturi-gif-23598881

[bold flint]

ordos is bussin, imagine getting 30% more rewards for doing nothing

i get to eat more outfits

[cyan notch]

i have max dockets and i dont even want to spend it on clothes

they all look so bad

[forest coral]

Ms paint outfits

[bold flint]

i think most my ordo expenditure comes from buying curios with 8% ordos on them

[sullen bobcat]

I'm always out of ordos tbh

I don't know how

It might be because I just buy any weapon I see in the shop that I think might be good

And because I don't play my classes equally

[half turtle]

how good is the trauma staff's damage against crushers

it knocks them over but is it worth the perils to keep blasting them when they're down (vs waiting for stagger cd to reset first)

[runic gate]

https://tenor.com/view/chiquichico-gif-26004262

Best Fire staff I've seen in my shop

[spice veldt]

probably something you'll want to test in the meatgrinder, such as comparing it against BB, melee, etc. I personally just stagger the Crusher into my team so that everybody can beat his ass with melee

an 80% charge Trauma staff has a 1.3 second charge time, and BB has a 2 second cast with left-click (ignoring the delay between each cast of the Trauma and BB)

[half turtle]

yeah i actually probably just need to test the thing out in meatgrinder, but i always forget to when i actually open the game lol

i'm also e.g. not sure whether you get better horde dps from full charges or by spamming the smallest explosion asap

[spice veldt]

probably full charges, since it scales both AoE and damage

it's one of the quirks of Trauma that I don't like

since it's the only staff where two attributes scale hugely with charge

compared to surge (damage), purg (duration), void (damage and probably some inconsequential AoE radius)

[half turtle]

yeah i basically didn't use trauma at all until the last patch so i have no idea how any of it works, other than "it's kinda like sienna conflag"

[spice veldt]

it certainly has a learning curve, and a really bad trauma staff is going to be bad because of the insane stat scaling (Blast Radius and Charge have some massive range)

[half turtle]

i actually saw the perils generation scales from like 45% down to 5% or something

which seems insane

[spice veldt]

i think the charge peril scales from like 30% to 20%, and the cast peril to 10% to 5%? I'm too lazy to pop open the game to fact check it

i think they brought it down, or made it match the description more closely

[half turtle]

yeah maybe that's what the 80-20 range is

it seems to display the 100-0 range in the actual detail pane though

[spice veldt]

you might be thinking of the Force Sword

that scales from 45% to 5%

[half turtle]

oh

i totally am

[bold flint]

im pretty sure void scales damage and targets penetrated

which, in a way, is damage and aoe

[spice veldt]

damn, does it huh

no wonder the equinox staffs are considered below the other staffs

[bold flint]

i dont like surge because its dogshit at hordes and i dont like purg because its dogshit against shooters

[spice veldt]

purg is sort of OK if you can get close to the shooters, facetank the first few bullets, and spray into them. I run Kinetic Shield and stack toughness, so I can actually do this

I personally don't like purg cuz it makes the games too easy, and it's not particularly engaging to use

whereas with Void and Trauma, you'll have to actually aim

[forest coral]

Trauma really needs a good damage roll to actually be noticeable in higher difficulties

But once you get it it’s beautiful

Exploding hordes

[still hearth]

Purge is the best anti shooter out of all of them

Unless you're very far away but then BB is on par with anything but a god roll Void

[forest coral]

Purges lmb suppression is also kinda nuts

[still hearth]

All of its flames suppresses hard

But sure that's not helpful at long range but none of the staves are super then

[forest coral]

Psyker players slowly brain bursting their way through 30+ long range shooters in cover, the true damnation experience

[spice veldt]

yeah, i hate BBing which is why I run the trauma staff now

i have a +unarmoured trauma staff that lets me one-shot dreg shooters

[still hearth]

People say slowly but unless you're instantly headshotting with XII or something 3s to kill a shooter is pretty reliable

And only the Veteran even gets to aim

[forest coral]

To be fair with kinetic barrage it’s still pretty quick

[still hearth]

Everyone else gets freaked by suppression

[crystal olive]

what is BBing? I'm not familiar with that terminology

[spice veldt]

Brain-Bursting

you can also creatively interpret as me throwing babies at enemies

[forest coral]

When the psyker squeezes you sensually with their mind powers

[floral solstice]

blue-balling

[crystal olive]

Fair enough

[cloud sequoia]

dev just need to fix trauma staff sphere cast range

[bold flint]

you can kill shooters behind low cover with void

at any range

[still hearth]

With a full damage roll yes

But so can BB

[bold flint]

i can hit people that arent available for bb

at half the cost

[spice veldt]

i personally always run Kinetic Barrage, so Void has never been too appealing to me

especially since its minimum charge time at 100% is like 1.6 seconds, which isn't too fast

[still hearth]

I mean I'll agree that Void is better vs shooters at long range

[spice veldt]

although I guess it's one of those staffs where holding right-click will also charge it in-between the casts, and warp flurry works properly on it

[still hearth]

But yeah having BB makes it less appealing to me, if they're close you can flame them if they're far away BBing is usually safe

And I also don't have a god roll Void yet

[spice veldt]

imagine not having a transfers peril + warp flurry 380 voidstrike staff smh

not that i have one either, but based on my limited experience with it, I probably wouldn't be impressed anyways

i prefer Trauma to Voidstrike since it's not too bad at clearing shooter patrols, especially since they're all walking in formation before you aggro them

and Trauma offers that comfort in that it can actually CC more than one melee elite consistently and beat crushers down to the ground

[forest coral]

And it can open spaces in mixed hordes at the same time it knocks down elites

[crystal olive]

Is Ascendant flame any good?

[forest coral]

For purg builds it has its niche

If there’s a good vet in the team that can deal with most elites, it can be worth taking

Synergizes well with essence harvest and other sources of soul blaze

[crystal olive]

what does it mean by (From any source)?

[spice veldt]

it means that Soulblaze inflicted from your Purgatus staff can also trigger it

rather than just the soulblaze inflicted by your ult

[fierce sinew]

AB is the reason purg is the best staff against shooters

[spice veldt]

I believe Soulblaze from your teammates also triggers it? I recall people talking about this in the Discord; somebody fact check me

[fierce sinew]

purg feeds AB, and AB is the best thing against shooters

[crystal olive]

AB?

[fierce sinew]

ascendant blaze

[forest coral]

Ascendant blaze and warp stacks will sustain itself rather beautifully

I find kinetic barrage hard to give up tho

[spice veldt]

yeah, I don't really have too much trouble with hordes, and horde CC is covered by my Trauma staff if I ever need to beat an elite's ass
Then again, I also have 500 hours in this game

so whether you pick AB or Kinetic Barrage depends on what you have difficulty with, your playstyle, your build, etc.

but i like kinetic barrage

cuz I hate Bulwarks

[forest coral]

KB makes bulwarks and crushers a non issue

[bold flint]

i just have one of these

[fierce sinew]

choice of melee weapon makes a big difference with how annoying I find bulwarks

[still hearth]

AB is nice to delete shooters but purge can just flsme near them and they can shoot

[still hearth]

+20% unarmored

I guess that's the L you gotta take

Not that it does anything against other types anyways tbf

[fierce sinew]

if I'm meme axe I don't care at all, because brainbursting the shield out of the way lets me one tap them, if I'm force sword they're more annoying

[manic needle]

Unarmored is okay

Could probably reroll it to weak spot or something similar though

[still hearth]

Weakspot bad

Well not necessarily bad but it doesn't give as much as flat damage

[spice veldt]

with the Force Sword and if the Bulwark is alone, you could BB -> light combo -> light/heavy-special -> throw in some extra attacks to one-phase a Bulwark

impossible to pull off if there are any enemies around the Bulwark though

such as another fucking bulwark since they apparently like to wander around together

[fierce sinew]

that's why I like killing them in 1 swing post bb

[manic needle]

I disagree, Weak Spot pairs well with Transfer Peril since youre always aiming for the head anyway

[fierce sinew]

it's not realistic to expect much more in the normal context you're fighting bulwarks

[still hearth]

Except that 10% isn't 10% total damage

[manic needle]

Indeed it isnt

[spice veldt]

i guess with the Force Sword you can just dodge to the side and push-attack them to instantly guardbreak them as well, but that's also finnicky and their stun duration depends on whether they were staggered earlier

[still hearth]

So it's unlikely to help as much as 20% total damage to one enemy type

[bold flint]

well its not even crafted so i can just jingle it around until it hits 25%

i probably wont though

[manic needle]

Besides flak there arent really any important +damage stats to get though. You can get additional crit, some general extra damage with weak spot hits, or just keep the unarmored for less charge time vs. Dreg Shooters

[bold flint]

well like it because it kills shooters dead

[still hearth]

Yeah I think unarmored is best for void which is very rare

[fierce sinew]

void is probably the best home for unarmored, you click non flak heads sometimes

[manic needle]

With a low charge stat Unarmored might be good

[still hearth]

Weakspot damage giving a 10 damage increase at most is so sad

[fierce sinew]

speeding up your killtime vs shooters isn't nothing, and with void damnation breakpoints a lot of your alternatives are

[manic needle]

Another benefit of Weak Spot is that you're stacking damage vs. flak

[rocky cedar]

Found out recently it also allows trauma to one shot dreg shooters which is decent

That said I think you might need flak to one shot scab shooters so kinda a coin toss which you'd go for beyond infested

[still hearth]

I'd just always BB those on trauma tbf

[rocky cedar]

Yeah me too. KB all day every day with Trauma

[still hearth]

You get like 2-3 extra damage from that stacking though

Weakspot is ass

It needs to be fixed

The fact that it's only 4-10% and not like 10-50% is so stupid

[spice veldt]

Flak enemies usually have less HP than their dreg counterparts (except Scab Bruisers, but their head is Unarmoured. But there are also Dreg Bruisers with flak heads)

i guess against Scab Ragers and Maulers

I usually run FS, which nukes Scab Ragers into oblivion and is decent against Maulers, so I personally don't run Flak

[chrome dune]

What the hell, I thought the dueling sword was supposed to be good?

[manic needle]

I can't believe I'm actually logging back into this game to check my numbers

[spice veldt]

🤓

[bold flint]

what was it that was good about dueling swords

dodge good right

[still hearth]

Dueling swords are decent

[bold flint]

is that about it

[chrome dune]

I don’t know, I thought I saw posts on here and reddit. They were praising it, but it sucks in the meat grinder.

[forest coral]

Overhead heavies do a lot

[still hearth]

Dodge, speed, decent horde clear

[forest coral]

Good stamina regen

[bold flint]

doesnt everything have good stam regen

[forest coral]

Decent horde control and clear

[still hearth]

It's not a killing machine though

[bold flint]

because youre a psyker

[still hearth]

Yeah but low stamina helps regen to full fasgrr

[forest coral]

It’s a decent strong all rounder

[spice veldt]

tbf, you're also running with the Duelling Sword out most of the time because of the lower sprint cost and higher sprint speed, so the low stamina is meh

[forest coral]

But it’s mobility is kind of what makes it nice

[still hearth]

It's very mobile which I've found is super useful

But the damage is a bit lacking

Knife definitely feels better for scary things

[fierce sinew]

the mobility is the reason people use them, everything else some other weapon does better

[chrome dune]

Mobile as in faster movement speed? Draw time? Mine just gets me one fewer bars of stamina than my force sword.

[forest coral]

Try dodging and sprinting with it

And compare it with other things

also push combo> 3 light attacks> push

[fierce sinew]

movement speed, sprint efficiency, dodge distance etc

[spice veldt]

I believe there is a duelling sword variant whose sprint cost scales with the mobility stat. So at 80%, you get about 50% reduced sprint cost

[forest coral]

^

[spice veldt]

i think the other two variants have a flat 75% sprint cost

[chrome dune]

I am sure those numbers means something to someone, but that someone is not me…

Is there only one axe that is an overhead chop on every quick attack?

[fierce sinew]

the amount of stamina you pay per unit of time sprinting isn't universal

[rocky cedar]

MK V, because it has a defence stat, which scales sprint cost

[spice veldt]

sprinting typically consumes 1 bar of stamina per second, but sprint cost will modify that consumption rate

[forest coral]

V has overhead chop on every heavy

[rocky cedar]

While mobility scales sprint speed

[spice veldt]

ah

[rocky cedar]

High defence + mobility V and you zoomin

[forest coral]

Oh wait you said axe

Or edited to axe

[chrome dune]

OK, I got to go back to the shop and get me that. That headshot magnetism is peak gamer.

[rocky cedar]

Actually other duelling sword without defence stat have base 0.75 sprint cost

[forest coral]

If you’ve ever seen a cracked psyker with a duelling sword

They can kite a horde around an entire map and slowly whittle it down solo

[still hearth]

Combo it with Purge

And you're free to kill everything

It's hilarious

[rocky cedar]

Yeah DS just makes it easier to get space to use staff when a lot of stuff is in your face

[forest coral]

best psyker I’ve ever seen soloed transmission station phase where they had to put the 3 batteries in on damnation

Whilst 3 of us watched from skill issue

[rocky cedar]

While having much better horde control than knife

[still hearth]

Peril blocking also makes DS low stamina less of an issue

[forest coral]

and he was using trauma+ duelling sword V

[spice veldt]

pretty much a non-issue with the guardbreak change

[rocky cedar]

Absolute Chad

[forest coral]

It took 15 minutes but it was impressive

[still hearth]

That's the issue with clutch builds tbh

They're nice but they rarely are super effective

Though trauma isn't verh clutch

[golden tartan]

Clutch builds are designed to be generalist all rounders

Which just arent gonna be as effective as specialist tools in regular environmenfs

[half turtle]

trauma's not bad all-around though

[rocky cedar]

Trauma is pretty good clutch IMO, kinda nullifies the threat of big scary elite waves mixed with horde

[steel vapor]

Now watch me get +1 stamina lessgo

[half turtle]

you can basically perma-knock anything smaller than a monster

with trauma

[still hearth]

It does pair nicely with DS too

And does extra damage to bosses

[golden tartan]

Mhm

Its just a solid all rounder.

[manic needle]

@still hearth IDK where you're getting 2-3 extra damage from but those numbers aren't correct

More Importantly, without Weak Spot damage on my staff a slightly over half charge isnt enough damage to one shot Dreg Bruisers

[still hearth]

If you do 400 base damage and 500 on weakspot then 10% weakspot adds 10 damage

And then add +25% flak and that 10 is incresed to 12.5

[manic needle]

What I'm telling you is that it doesn't pan out in the meatgrinder

[half turtle]

wait does it really only add 10 damage and not 50

that's stupid

[still hearth]

What stats and results do you get?

[manic needle]

Are you sure you're not basing the damage calculations on the primary attack instead of the secondary?

Im dealing about 12 extra damage to Scab Shotgunners

[still hearth]

That's

That's what I said though

[manic needle]

You said 2-3

[still hearth]

Yeah on top of the 10%

Because of how they stack with flak

[manic needle]

Oh, I see

[still hearth]

I meant the part where they combine is about 2-3 damage

[still hearth]

It only multiplies the additional weakspot damage and none of the base damage yes

Same with crits for crit damage

[spice veldt]

what tf

so the weakspot on my Force Sword is actually useless?

i should've kept the crit chance

[still hearth]

Not exactly but it gives less damage than you probably expected

Force Sword has a high weakspot multiplier as well right?

[spice veldt]

yeah

something like 2.4 at max finesse or something

[still hearth]

Yeah it's going to lose some damage since it doesn't add the base damage but a lot of the damage comes from the weakspot, so probably around 70-80% off doing full bonus

If you take 1 - (base damage / crit damage) and that's the amount of the crit damage bonus that actually adds I think

But I'm bad at math

[spice veldt]

i would assume it's just (crit dmg - base dmg) since 1 - (base dmg/crit dmg) is the additive inverse of the ratio of base dmg over crit dmg, and the ratio of base dmg over crit dmg just tells you how much relative dmg base dmg does compared to crit dmg
Unless crit dmg is calculated in a weird as way, since I don't know what the exact formula is

[still hearth]

(Crit damage - base damage) is the part that is multiplied but I was thinking about how much of the % is effective compared to the total value

[spice veldt]

maybe (crit dmg - base dmg)/(base dmg)

percentage bonus dmg from crits relative to base dmg

[still hearth]

Hmmm.

I'll just leave the math alone

[spice veldt]

F-

[still hearth]

My mind is incomparable

[modern coral]

Fortunately

[ornate hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/wait-a-minute-what-confused-gif-20296543

[light quail]

trauma has always been my favorite staff, even from launch with the big ass peril cost
something about the sound design and way it tosses enemies around that makes me love it

[rocky cedar]

Yeah me too

I didn't even mind the peril cost before

I run Quietude anyway

So I was like hey, it's free real estate

[river sand]

trauma > all

[ornate hamlet]

XII > all

[steel vapor]

Tbh not taking the bait :p

[spice veldt]

what bait?

[ornate hamlet]

Trauma is the superior staff

[spice veldt]

it is the one true indominatible truth

[ornate hamlet]

If you use anything else you're throwing

[spice veldt]

swap to melee? throwing

[steel vapor]

Good try 😂👌

[spice veldt]

brain burst? throwing

you're not constantly holding right-click? throwing

[rocky cedar]

Don't you dare stop to quell you coward

Just run extra wounds

And be an extra explosion

[spice veldt]

perils of the warp is basically a trauma staff secondary

[covert ermine]

Just a reminder of how ridiculous these bathtubs on the heads are

[spice veldt]

i would call them toilet seats but I guess one of the paid headpieces for Psyker is better suited for that moniker

anyways, I think bathroom objects will be the next fashion trend

[cyan notch]

hate em but wear em for goggles

[spice veldt]

i like to wear the first set of cosmetics you get, which is that coat without the rubber gloves
and the headpieces still look too big on them

[light quail]

I am tempted to do some shitposting with the nsara mindwalker headpiece

tier1 penance gear and that
RedSus or some kind of among us name

[idle bay]

There should be whale-friendly option in cash shop - top hat + monocle and make it cost like 16000 aquillas 🙂

[light quail]

tbh cash shop stuff is cool but there needs to be more earnable stuff
they ought to alternate between sets in Melk and sets in aquilas

or have some daily/melk penances give out aquilas

VT2 got it right and they unlearned so very much from it

[ocean cipher]

ive heard of psykers having good tank builds, wierdly enough

how do that

[ornate hamlet]

You can't really tank effectively

[light quail]

kinetic deflection (tier 20?) if i remember

[ornate hamlet]

But if you mean survivability

Then Kinetic Deflection is great. Either high mobility with it or a Deflector Force Sword

Its more about avoiding damage than tanking it, though.

[light quail]

I take it with a duelling sword
massive dodge ranges and you have the backstop of KD if you get hit due to DS' terrible stamina

[spice veldt]

Kinetic Deflection now prevents guardbreak, meaning that Psykers have the free will to push without the penalty of guardbreak at 0 stamina; so they're generally very safe in melee (assuming you're already decent at game's melee combat)

[light quail]

another reason I love it with DS
just allows you to go all out every fight because no guardbreak

pure aggression build and you can pair it with psykinetics wrath and a staff like purgatus or trauma for more horde clear

[ocean cipher]

thats what i mean

also whats a purgatus

[light quail]

flamethrower staff

[ocean cipher]

ok so its voidstrike, purgatus, trauma, and surge?

[light quail]

the cooler zealot flamer

[light quail]

those are the four, yes

[ocean cipher]

and thats meteor, thrower, garbage, and lightning?

[spice veldt]

don't call my child garbage

i'd say it's pretty decent now

personally, pre-patch, I'd say it was still viable if you were running quietude (of course, viable and good are different terms)

but you can get 4 fully-charged shots off with a decent warp res before reaching 100% peril

[ocean cipher]

so far it seems like psyker is mainly utility and special/elite killing

[light quail]

they're all decent but purgatus is easily the standout
has a lot of synergy with some of the talents, but trauma and voidstrike have good horde clear and surge is second to none for stagger

[spice veldt]

they have some special/elite killing

BB doesn't need aim and ignores suppression mechanics

so they're probably the second-best at killing ranged elites

[ocean cipher]

brain blast also can track through walls

[ornate hamlet]

Purge will kill everything in range except carapace

[ocean cipher]

so far ive had a rough time with hordeclear

[spice veldt]

flamethrowers in general are pretty cracked

[light quail]

that too
very safe option if you have corners or cover
can select a target and duck behind a wall after you're locked in

[spice veldt]

hmm, what melee and staff are you usually running?

[ocean cipher]

blaze and surge

[light quail]

duelling sword
trauma staff or laspistol depending on how I want to play that day

[ornate hamlet]

Horde clear on Psyker from what I've tested so far is basically:
S- Purge
A - Trauma/Void, Chainsword
B - Antax, Dueling Sword

[ocean cipher]

havent figured out the use of the blaze sword afaik, it just feels like a worse chainsword

[spice veldt]

anti-armor

[ornate hamlet]

It has a great push

[ocean cipher]

neat

[ornate hamlet]

The shove attack knocks crushers on their ass

[spice veldt]

on Damnation, good roll, without any blessings or perks, will one-shot Scab Ragers in the head

[ocean cipher]

ooh

ok

[spice veldt]

of course, it's much less impressive on dreg ragers

[ornate hamlet]

The push is also huge

Like 3m aoe around you huge

[spice veldt]

so the Force Sword is actually one of those weapons that are terrible at the lower levels

because of the stat scaling

[ocean cipher]

also how do i get the "do 90% of a monstrosity with bb" penance

that sounds like ass

[ornate hamlet]

Ask an Ogryn to tank a DH

[spice veldt]

the difference between a 0/0/0/0/0 one and an 80/80/80/80/80 FS is like 2.5x damage

[ornate hamlet]

Run Kinetic Barrage

And the one that gives +15% damage on BB'd targets

[ocean cipher]

aight

[ornate hamlet]

I think that still works with BB even if it says it shouldn't

[spice veldt]

oh shit it actually works with BB?

[ornate hamlet]

But it will still take minutes

Yeah

[ocean cipher]

ogryn can ifnini tank a daemonhosf right

[spice veldt]

shame that it competes with Psykinetic's wrath, but ain't that nice to know

[ornate hamlet]

It just gives +15% damage I think, even if it says non-force stuff only.

[ocean cipher]

so i shouldn't even attempt this till im like, level 20 right

[spice veldt]

ah so not fully leveled

[ornate hamlet]

Yeah Ogryn with shield can. With the right set-up anyone can. Or exploits

[ocean cipher]

it has a really cool set of robes

ive heard psykers can

[ornate hamlet]

They could AFK tank it

[spice veldt]

you could also BB a plague ogryn; their max health isn't too bad either

[ornate hamlet]

But now they have to dodge

All bosses have the same HP

[spice veldt]

oh

damn

[ornate hamlet]

Some just take more damage from certain sources

[spice veldt]

i've been duped by intuition

[ornate hamlet]

I think beast of nurgle takes the most from explosions

So Trauma is extra good vs them

[spice veldt]

with the beast of nurgle and his fat ol' weakspot

i think plague ogryn also takes 2x damage from explosions

[ornate hamlet]

Yeah all bosses take extra damage from explosions

[ocean cipher]

wierdly plague ogryn doesn't take much from the beancan launcher on ogryn

[spice veldt]

damn. now i want a damage buff to the trauma staff

[ornate hamlet]

Run 15% damage, 6 stacks, Unyielding damage

Just gotta edge into 100% peril constantly

Psyker Warp Charges should be changed

[light quail]

tbh make the coherency charge talent a passive

or alternatively, 15% more to BB'd targets a passive

[spice veldt]

the regen teammate's ults on elite kill one?

[light quail]

that could also be a decent one to make base kit

one of those 3

-Warp charges on coherency kills
-Skill cooldown on elite kills
-15% bonus dmg to BB'd targets

[spice veldt]

from a game design perspective, I'd probably pick the +15% bonus dmg to BB'd targets to be another Iconic

[light quail]

absolutely

as for a replacement talent
Critical shot (headshot or crit) triggers a Brain Burst on the target (3s cooldown)

would make gunpsyker a lot more viable

[spice veldt]

they'd have to code to make brain burst an exception to headshots

since, in case you didn't know, you can get the 20 headshots in a row penance with brainburst

or just make Kinetic Flayer have a 2x chance of proccing on headshots or something,

[ornate hamlet]

Kinetic Flayer just shouldn't have a cooldown

Or a much shorter one

Splat splat splat

[spice veldt]

a cooldown is somewhat necessary because of high firerate weapons

imagine making the recon lasgun good

[ornate hamlet]

Can't have that

Tbf aside from one-shots its about an average of 85 damage increase. The biggest upside is getting the warp charges

[light quail]

thats exactly my point
would give recon las a niche

[ornate hamlet]

And recon would get pretty nutty with an 85 damage average increase

[light quail]

BB generator with that talent on psyker

[spice veldt]

it would be interesting if every subclass had a feat that benefited from high fire-rate weapons, indirectly buffing them

[ornate hamlet]

But something like a 5s cooldown would make it not just

[spice veldt]

a bit too gimmicky though

[ornate hamlet]

"Wow I got one randomly"

[light quail]

then you pair it with the 15% buff innately and look at that
recon las now has a use

[ornate hamlet]

I really just run Kinetic because sometimes it saves me from BBing by giving me a charge

[light quail]

same

[spice veldt]

i don't like to BB at all unless I have to

[ornate hamlet]

Since I'd never take the 4% chance feat over 15% CDR.

[spice veldt]

or Kinetic Barage is off CD

[light quail]

I like BB a lot

kinetic barrage is a useful tool to have now and then

just going nuts and tossing out a bunch of special kills back to back

[ornate hamlet]

I love using BB but sometimes I don't have the time and would rather gamble on Kinetic triggering

[spice veldt]

i'm too impatient when I know that running my Force Sword into the enemy deals more DPS

[light quail]

I dont use force sword much

duelling sword gang

[spice veldt]

smh

lemme pull up a pic of my force sword in a hot minute to let you know why i use

[light quail]

paired with laspistol for the psykommissar

[spice veldt]

the force sword is my one true love

[uneven drift]

Reminded me about run yesterday where i got knife zealot with laspistol. Been dead half of the time and then left

[light quail]

laspistol on psyker is severely underrated imo
strong up close, can trigger KF from anywhere and the push can reach further than most weapon shoves or peril build

[spice veldt]

it's a shame it's a semi-auto

too much clicking

[light quail]

i like it being a semi

[spice veldt]

i used to like semi guns, but I've realized that it's not too good for my hands

i also hate the recoil

[ornate hamlet]

Laspistol is bad.

[spice veldt]

moves around too much for me

[ornate hamlet]

Get this shit outta here.

[spice veldt]

outta this block

[ornate hamlet]

If you want to run a gun

Run the XII

Its just always better than the Laspistol (except mobility)

[spice veldt]

true, it has a shit ton of stamina bars and speed

[ornate hamlet]

Laspistol is memes though

You can force shove

But its just so terrible at doing damage even up close

[light quail]

and thats why I prefer laspistol
super mobile, if I wanted to run a XII i'd be veteran backlining

[spice veldt]

i suppose it has an innate run n gun

so you can use it to close onto shooters and whack their ass

[light quail]

yep
close the distance, shove and then swap into melee while they're stunned

lets you get away with heavier melees such as the big blue ax

[spice veldt]

or quickswap into the laspistol, fire off a quick shot to suppress, then go back to meleeing

hmm

[light quail]

oh yeah the handling too

[spice veldt]

now that the suppression mechanic is a little better against dreg shooters

[light quail]

would be harder to pop off a quickshot with a lasgun

[spice veldt]

i haven't really used guns since the latest patch, so this might be an excuse to

my keybinds let me swap between weapons super quickly, so I could absolutely make use of it

[light quail]

i run gunpsyker a fair bit because staffs got boring to me
yes veteran would be a better choice but thats lame, psyker is more challenging and thus more fun

[spice veldt]

yeah; I've just been running Trauma + Force Sword for like 200 hours

i'm the type of person to find their comfort zone and stay in it for 100 years

[light quail]

I can have my favorite setups but im almost constantly switching

I have DRG to thank for that

[forest coral]

Arcotash hugs their trauma staff to sleep every night

[spice veldt]

bruh, don't gotta out me like that

[forest coral]

[spice veldt]

nothing wrong with that

[light quail]

game taught me anything can avoid becoming stale as long as you constantly go out your comfort zone and try builds you'd never do usually

[spice veldt]

i'm also one of those "i only have fun when I'm winning" type of people, so I'm afraid to experiment

but laspistol suppression melee build seems perfectly viable to me

[light quail]

same here
I find my ways to experiment and still come out on top

or at the very least, go out having a shitload of fun

[spice veldt]

tbf, I could probably beat the game with only melee and brainburst because of kinetic barrage

[light quail]

going back to DRG, I run a specific overclock just to spite a friend and now im swearing by it

[spice veldt]

hehe

[light quail]

because yes another one for that weapon is better
but cmon who doesnt want to throw nukes around with no regard for teammates or the wildlife?

[spice veldt]

ah fatboy?

[light quail]

fatboy yes

with explosive chem rounds on the LOK1 and mines

setup i've dubbed "The Mad Bomber"

[spice veldt]

most OSHA compliant engie

[light quail]

we will get rid of the bugs imshallah