psyker-class

[west stream]

big brain tactics

[still hearth]

Ye but I have to

Hit heads

Didn't think about that did you

[west stream]

but overall staves are handier, because you dont need fancy tricks if you just melt everything all the time

(unless you use surge and rely on team finishing things off)

[still hearth]

Or Trauma

Or Voidstrike

Though if you use Surge you should melee swap more unless you got a team mate there anyway

[long wharf]

the part of surge I like best is that I don't have to be good at aiming to use it well

and I can hit things through simple geometry

[olive ember]

How you feel about the “much needed exploit fixes” to peril blocking and crucian roulette

Cuz those should totally be priority rn

[long wharf]

it was bound to happen

all the blessings should only work when the weapon they're on is the active weapon

it's needed to ensure that what they balance is being balanced properly

[olive ember]

Meh crucian roulette sure

Peril blocking and deflector nerf is dumb

[long wharf]

as fun as it was being a block tank, psyker really shouldn't be able to do that without a subclass specialization

deflector is broken on fsword right now

that's not a nerf, that's a bug

[olive ember]

Nah it’s a nerf

[tender sapphire]

I stopped using deflector after the nerf, I mostly used it to res people in combat

[olive ember]

Also balance in a pve game is a lower priority

[long wharf]

it may be PvE, but that doesn't mean balance between classes isn't important

[olive ember]

It really just feels like fat shark went “no fun allowed” and decided to screw anything interesting

[leaden thunder]

bUt iT'S a pVe GaMe

[long wharf]

oh sure, it feels that way

[leaden thunder]

I sHoUlD bE oP

[olive ember]

You alright?

[long wharf]

but that's because the only way we were able to have fun was to abuse broken mechanics

the rest sucked

[leaden thunder]

no I just, hate that arguement

[tender sapphire]

psykers are obviously the most op class, everyone agrees

[leaden thunder]

sorry

twas rude

[long wharf]

before FartShart does serious balancing, they need to address the shit blessings

[leaden thunder]

but I do hate that arguement

[long wharf]

and what weapons get which blessings

[olive ember]

Before they address balancing they should add more content and fix the actual issues

Like the god damn optimization holy shit

[leaden thunder]

fix issues

then balance

then more content

get a good baseline first

then add shit

[long wharf]

to their credit (can't believe I'm writing this), it sounds like that's their plan

[tender sapphire]

I love playing the same maps for a year

[long wharf]

according to the new Comms-Plex from Catfish

[leaden thunder]

I also like the comms-plex thing

[maiden wolf]

"DoN't EvEn ThInK aBoUt TaKiNg ThAt FiLtH oN mY sToRm RaPtOr"

[leaden thunder]

way better then a fucking road map

[olive ember]

Did they ever fix the revive bug with Psyker btw

[leaden thunder]

i'd much rather have a lot of small communication then one "big" one

[olive ember]

Haven’t been paying attention

[long wharf]

yeah, don't bother with a roadmap until you have a plan for how you're going to be changing things

[leaden thunder]

tbh

roadmaps are almost always bad

at least for when games are like this

people bitched a massive amount about the TWW3 one

understandably so

[olive ember]

I mean the only problem with roadmaps is that devs have a tendency to not follow through

[leaden thunder]

either that

or they don't have what people want on them

[tender sapphire]

FatShark knows they're incapable of delivering on time so they don't bother

[leaden thunder]

I think if your game is doing really well then they are fine

[long wharf]

or "It was true when we said it. Plans change"

[leaden thunder]

but we are not in that situation

[long wharf]

yeah, Darktide is broken and incomplete

[leaden thunder]

which is sadge

becaue idk why, but it's pretty much the exact gameplay I needed rn

[long wharf]

fix what's broken, complete the game, then start adding in the content you said you wanted to

yeah, I love the moment-to-moment gameplay

but I can't get myself to load into a mission

the game just doesn't respect our time once you hit 30

[olive ember]

I can’t find myself to open up the game

[leaden thunder]

that's why I been bouncing back and fourth between it and vt

[olive ember]

Even if I want to play a quick match for fun it takes like 10-20 minutes just to get into the game

[leaden thunder]

really?

[olive ember]

For me yeah

[leaden thunder]

what diff?

[olive ember]

To get into the mourningstar

[leaden thunder]

oh

I though you ment like find a match

[olive ember]

10 minutes to load into character screen

Another 10 minutes to load into the mourning star

[tender sapphire]

I would stop playing if I had those loading times

[olive ember]

I have stopped lmao

My friends also stopped tho so I’m stuck with the random experience

And it’s not a “quick match” cuz of loading times so it’s just like

Meh

[leaden thunder]

luckily I can still get my friends to play it a bit, it's more a time thing rather then a not liking the game thing

now if only I could get one of them to stop using the shield

[steep shuttle]

Vermintide had dual wielding

[olive ember]

My friends are talking about doing all damnation but considering only 2 of us have even beaten all heresy mission types

Yeah dunno how well that will go lmao

[steep shuttle]

Damnation feels like Heresy with more guns

[olive ember]

Haven’t played in a while is damnation still “triple sniper firing line off of spawn”

[steep shuttle]

can be

[olive ember]

Perfect

I can watch my friends suffer when they play zealot

[steep shuttle]

It does feel like you're against an oppressive wall of lasers sometimes

[errant cloak]

Are there any tables on charge % and what damage that equates?

For the staffs

[brittle crest]

me: I think i'm gonna quit psyker in favor of zealot

game:

[olive ember]

All you need is warp nexus

[forest coral]

Not allowed

[brittle crest]

i'm too mistake prone to play psyker

[floral solstice]

did we just get next week'd again

[sick solar]

Let us know if you get Warp Nexus on it, that would be and epic roll.

[safe crystal]

Its 'Next month'™️ now, didnt you get the memo?

[floral solstice]

ah shit my bad

[forest coral]

it's basically next week'd but official

[floral solstice]

welp im replaying this till Wo Long comes march

not like crafting will be out by march

or it will be

march 2024

[safe crystal]

But yeah, pretty much got next week'd, im glad to return to that format. Months are a long and scary concept

[forest coral]

back to vermintide

https://tenor.com/view/cat-gato-boom-explosion-explode-gif-26474412

[clear heath]

ahahahah

[safe crystal]

Cant believe how much i missed Saltz yelling at things in VT. Too bad Bentinck voiced generic chaos captain #3 in Darktide, would've been awesome having his voice acting on any playable character again

[floral solstice]

im still playing games here and there, but probably not as much pugs anymore

[sick solar]

So what do you all feel is the proper order of the Trauma Staff (especially after the buff)? I was thinking it looked similar to the Void, e.g., priority order could look something like this:

[north cradle]

Mmm

[safe crystal]

1. Charge
2. Warp res
3. Blast radius
4. Quell
5. Damage

You hit groaner breakpoints with any damage roll on damnation, poxwalkers need a perk or psykinetics wrath. Thats what you're aiming at doing with this thing anyway.

Edited due to me being an idiot, thanks for correcting me.

[sick solar]

For the same staff, do you think Rending Shockwave and Warp Flurry are the better blessings..? I've also looked at Transfer Peril, but FS may have helped the Peril issue on this staff.

[lethal folio]

Rending isn't that helpful. It only really matters for bulwarks and Trauma is already very good at handling those.

[safe crystal]

Transfer peril doesnt trigger on the AoE, since it cant hit weakspots

[lethal folio]

It's one of the weapons that get more use from good perks

[sick solar]

ahh I see, so using that blessing would be useless for the secondary attack in Dam runs.

Ok I'll take Transfer off my desired list then.

[lethal folio]

I would take a trauma with unarmoured/flak over any blessing set.

[safe crystal]

Idk, the blessings that work would be great on it? Flurry and nexus. The perks are more important

Nevermind, run n gun

It HAS to have run n gun

[safe pendant]

can't remember the blessing names but I got a T1 crit peril and the one that makes crits apply soulblaze. it triggers occasionally

[sick solar]

Dang, valid point! Run N' Gun would make sense!

[sick solar]

And everyone of the staffs' have that as and option too... Dang, I have to rethink this again for every staff now. ha.

[forest coral]

im still down to play and what not, but yeh. Im not motivated enough to level up Ogryn atm lol

[long wharf]

trauma with flak perk and rending shockwave and warp flurry

the crit damage on trauma is garbage

not worth trying to stack crit chance on it

[floral solstice]

heresy

i wanna see you box the muties that aim you so much

[wanton sandal]

good soulslike

[daring nexus]

Honestly the staff blessings are one of the weakest points of the entire blessing list. Each staff should have unique blessings that interact with its attacks

[slow karma]

Oh that reminds me

I ran into someone who actually sort of cobbled together a very fitting Saltzy Zealot

Even the voice variant they chose tracked really well

[cyan notch]

you 1 shot unarmoured hordes with a 0% roll but cant 1 shot poxwalkers with 80% so idk where the 40% = most horde breakpoints comes from

u basically need perks or feats for poxwalkers

[safe crystal]

Im not gonna doubt that, im tired and have to come up with something for DnD, so might've used a trauma with poxwalkers perk

It was the first i found in the midst of all my purgatuses

[lethal folio]

You don't need perks for poxwalkers, an 80% staff already breaches 300 damage.

[safe crystal]

But does it deal full damage to them, is the question. They might have some kind of a resist for it

[leaden thunder]

tyr knows

[lethal folio]

The explosion has 75% effectiveness against infested.

sure a vs infested roll will save you if you misstime a full charge, but it isn't mandatory.

and you usally make up for it with warp charge bonus.

[safe crystal]

Hm, well. Im not going to dispute that since i havent used trauma in a while. When i used it, i managed to get away with a low damage roll stave because it barely mattered from what i saw on my first hand experience, but never bothered finding out the ins-and-outs

[cyan notch]

?

[lethal folio]

Are you not using Pyskinetic's Wrath?

[cyan notch]

no

[lethal folio]

Oh.

[cyan notch]

which is why i said perks or feats

[maiden wolf]

How do y'all feel about Run-n-gun and Focused channeling on a purge staff?

[cyan notch]

kinda mid

some people like channeling but i think its lamw

[maiden wolf]

I'm gonna test out the staff I just got, its got both those on top of a great Burn and Radius stat, plus a 4% crit chance perk.

Not top-tier, but I think the blessing combo will make for a really reliable weapon.

What do y'all think is the best purgatus perk apart from crit chance?

[long wharf]

run-n-gun is trash on all staves

some people like focused channeling on purge, but if you're properly burning things, nothing should be interrupting you

sadly, with how low the base crit chance is for psyker and purge staff, you really want Warp Nexus on purge

[cyan notch]

they do different things

[shadow onyx]

how weak spot work on trauma ? its all targets in the inner circle ?

[fierce sinew]

If "just started" means not level 30 (so missing any good drops + all the feats that synergize with staves) that's kind of to be expected, right?

[cyan notch]

only on left click lol

[long wharf]

incorrect

surge and trauma both randomly (and very rarely) get a weakspot hit for no reason whatsoever

you can see this in the meat grinder

[cyan notch]

proof?

i havent seen it before at all

[shadow onyx]

so there is a weak spot table but cant WS on secondary ?

[cyan notch]

yea

[shadow onyx]

[cyan notch]

weakspot + crit also useless

[shadow onyx]

what a shitty weapon

[cyan notch]

only bodyshot and crit worth looking at

[shadow onyx]

i though it was like this

instead its like this

[cyan notch]

pretty much

[shadow onyx]

psyker feel so unfinished to me

[cyan notch]

hits targets for 2 damage like 15m away from explosion tho!!!!!

[shadow onyx]

weps are so clunky

duelling sword with no deflector

but still animations

surge uni dimensionnal

trauma shit

purgatus cheap flamer version

and personnaly i hate voidstrike

[cyan notch]

cheap flamer is still flamer with unlimited ammo

[shadow onyx]

ammo is not really a problem with flamer

[long wharf]

using my trauma staff on damnation meat grinder

occassionaly, I'll see a weakspot crit

like here

so it can hit weakspots

it's just not common

[cyan notch]

1352 doesnt make sense

are you sure thats not flayer

[long wharf]

weakspot crit

let me turn off all feats

[cyan notch]

weakspot crit isnt gonna do 1352 anyway

[long wharf]

know what, it looks like it was flayer

so never mind

trauma can't hit weakspots

[shadow onyx]

trauma should put soulburn stacks

[long wharf]

it should leave a patch of soulblaze on the ground

[shadow onyx]

like || vermintide 2 ||

[cyan notch]

unlimited ammo helps with some hi int parts with horde boss horde or those middle section interrogator parts

and even after all that cheap flamer is still flamer

sometimes ur zealot doesnt bring flamer

[shadow onyx]

yeah i know

i always use purgatus anyway

its the best staff imo

but still far more potent

just the radius makes the difference

• stagger

vs shotgunners

[forest coral]

I’d that happens id love the trauma

Flame stacking melting everything

[cyan notch]

another staff that can apply blaze without niche blessings would be really good

[shadow onyx]

i want a staff that create micro blackholes that attract every unit with mass equal to less than poxwalkers and shooters in a zone and inflict them dot

[forest coral]

Mini vacuuming ye

[shadow onyx]

i want a javelin attack like vt2 on surge staff primary

but its pure lightning

[forest coral]

bolt staff/ beam staff equivalent I wouldn’t be too mad at either

Also why did we lose shotgun blast from staff makes me scratch my head

That was actually decent

[shadow onyx]

the problem with psyker is they decided to put a "kill single units" thing with brain burst

[cyan notch]

when was that?

[shadow onyx]

and will never allow you to burst like boltgun with a staff

because of this

because whats the point of bb then ?

[forest coral]

Vermintide staffs lmb had ability to 2-3 tap elites at close- medium range

[cyan notch]

oh ok we didnt lose it then

[shadow onyx]

vermintide is polished now

[cyan notch]

we just never had that staff

[shadow onyx]

darktide no

next year for more content like this

[forest coral]

Like current lmb is ok at dealing with certain things but it’s worse in almost every way except range

Yeah…

Kinetic barrage and ascendant blaze should be in different feat areas still imo

[cyan notch]

not gonna be consistent

last column are all ult modifiers

[forest coral]

Imo what we’re really missing as well are minor traits you get passively by leveling from vermin

Usually that helps scale damage or benefit in some way for higher difficulty or making certain feats compliment better

Ah wells, can only see what will happen down the track

[cyan notch]

minor traits from levelling?

arent those just feats

[forest coral]

Oh wait u right

Must be thinking of something else

ah well

[scenic tapir]

Dude fuck this crafting system seriously, goes to orange and gets run 'n' gun? why does that even exist on a staff?

[floral solstice]

welp that's hadron's latest victim

[scenic tapir]

It's the only 380 staff I've ever seen.

[timber breach]

you guys are getting staffs?

[forest coral]

Game throwing some decent trauma staffs

[shadow onyx]

my only """decent"""purgatus staves

in 94 missions

[scenic tapir]

If you get 80% burn you get an extra burn stack, it's probably the most important stat

damage is so close it doesnt really matter at all

[shadow onyx]

even from 50 to 51 i get 1 extra maax stack

[earnest peak]

79% is 15 burn also

[hollow portal]

What a perfectly balanced game

[shadow onyx]

did someone ever saw dev showcase the game ine damnation ?

pretty sure they play t3

[cyan notch]

you just need 76% for 15 stacks

[tender sapphire]

Yeah I was just about to say, I was testing different staves now and saw no difference at 80%

[hollow portal]

So many enemies spawned, during a Beast of Nurgle fight, that my game crashed because the game could not render that many enemies on screen at once

[upper galleon]

i think they preemptively nerfed psyker, because sienna has bounced up and down between "bad" and "fucking overpowered green circle chaser"

[upper galleon]

really? high intens damnation runs don't crash before we wipe

[hollow portal]

This was a normal Malice run. The game just decided "You know what? Fuck you."

[upper galleon]

so they decided to start on bad, and hopefully make it come out

well i don't think that is the game

might be your end?

[hollow portal]

No.

[upper galleon]

I've seen wide swathes of hordes and shooters and my fps might drop but it never crashed due to numbers

[hollow portal]

Bruh look how many there are. There is an enemy for every square inch of ground.

[upper galleon]

yea that is just

standard idk

[hollow portal]

https://tenor.com/view/done-im-done-finish-family-guy-peter-griffin-gif-15564927

[upper galleon]

🤷

[fathom yacht]

may i be swift

[cyan notch]

nice blessings

[fathom yacht]

its from fucker melk

i hAVE to get scripts

[cyan notch]

stats are passable

but not fantastic

[fathom yacht]

better than current

[shrewd grove]

i need a big sexy man to help me do the 90% brainburst penance 😎

[fathom yacht]

id ask the ogryns then\

[cyan notch]

at least it isnt 25 missions

[fathom yacht]

id take that than scripts honestly

them shits are invisable sometimes

with the missions i can only count down

but with scrips i actively have the possibility to miss em

[cyan notch]

most of the time in lower difficulties people are scrip hunting too

[fathom yacht]

keyword, most of the time

back to the grind i go

[strong moth]

Thoughts ?

[forest coral]

very decent and hits good burn and radius

[strong moth]

Been using it on damnation

Seems to work

[forest coral]

ye its definitely up there in one of the better purg staves ive seen

[strong moth]

What feats do you think I should run with a fire staff

[forest coral]

Iirc crit is the way to go

[strong moth]

👍

[bronze anvil]

Best, but warp flurry dont work on fire staff(((

[remote void]

also terrifying barrage is pointless in this cause of the natural suppression it does but its god tier

[regal musk]

TBs radius extends a fair bit beyond the stream of the Purgatus.
It'll suppress things behind you while you kill things in front.
Its not the greatest blessing but it does have value.

[still hearth]

Sup Psykies

[remote void]

how does Unstable Power works if i have 100 peril?

[still hearth]

Which one was that?

If its one that scales with peril then I think all of them get max stacks at 97% aside from feats

[remote void]

but how much does it grant me as damage boost?

[half turtle]

ok knife psyker fucks so hard

you can use it with trauma or flamer and you can literally solo any situation in the game ez

you can spam push-attack all day to dumpster armored or monsters because you don't need stamina to block

and it one-shots every shooter with a headshot

[cyan notch]

doesnt really dumpster armoured

[half turtle]

same dps as like a tac axe

(if you hit heads)

which is good enough for me

[cyan notch]

doesnt stagger them

nor ragers

[half turtle]

you can literally dodge and get back in range to attack in the time it takes the axe to wind up once though

but also you can just use a ranged weapon so

[shrewd grove]

Storm witches raiment goes so hard wtf 😩 👌

[cyan notch]

youre push attacking with axes too lol

[half turtle]

i mean, sure?

[forest coral]

grats on getting your penance

[half turtle]

i'm not saying axes are bad lol

[shrewd grove]

ty

[cyan notch]

yea im just addressing this point

[forest coral]

malleus monstronum gang

[shrewd grove]

I think the 90% monster damage should be lowered but it's well worth the penance regardless this shit is so dripped

[forest coral]

imo its best armor look in the game

[shrewd grove]

Zelot and psyker max penance armor is so good

Especially the psyker

[half turtle]

hmm my experience with axes is that the mobility is a bit worse so it's more ideal to try to space heavies than to actually dodge for its own sake so much, but i also mostly play axe on zealot

[forest coral]

My issue with knife is that the duelling swords do the same thing but better. Minus the funny mobility stab lunge of course

[half turtle]

so i don't actually spam shove-attacks on muscle memory

dueling sword is fun too

[forest coral]

Psyker sadly aint got the bleed synergy that zealots have, but I did use a combat knife with purg for its reposition for a while

[half turtle]

yeah i think the #1 reason i like knife rn is because you can reposition so well with it due to the mobility

and it just so happens to also have most of its weaknesses mitigated by psyker's kit

[cyan notch]

push attack spam with knife is kinda the same as push attack with tac axe except axe is a little slower but it has special attack to stun ragers and crushers etc

[half turtle]

it's probably a worse weapon overall than the taxe but... psyker's other abilities can mitigate a lot of what taxe does better than knife

weirdly the heavy on taxe stuns ragers without needing the special

even though the heavy on caxe doesn't

you can control entire hordes with 2-3 ragers in them at a time if you manage to proc brutal momentum

it's disgusting

[cyan notch]

knife can kill monsters though

[forest coral]

so can duel sword, just slower but safer

[half turtle]

yes basically knife is really good at killing monsters and pretty decent at shredding single big armored targets, which IMO is the big weakness of trauma/purg/shock

[cyan notch]

much slower vs ds

u can use bb for crushers and stuff

tho i prefer fs

[half turtle]

ds's mobility feels a tiny bit worse to me in terms of letting me safely reposition

i like fs but i haven't gotten the hang of abusing infinite dodges yet

[forest coral]

FS my beloved

[half turtle]

also sometimes i overheat because of the shove attack

because i forget it does the thing

i only recently dropped one with deflector though so verdict's still out on that

it only took 100 hours on psyker

[cyan notch]

u should try mkv ds it has more dodge distance than knife

[half turtle]

basically i've been spamming nonstop trauma staff so having the extra mobility is really really helpful for letting you set up the first stagger off trauma

hm i don't remember which one i was using

it was the one with the same moveset as saltzpyre's rapier

[forest coral]

MKII is my pref

[half turtle]

slashes on lights, stabs on heavies

[forest coral]

i think thats the saltz

[half turtle]

the 2?

[forest coral]

yeah

[cyan notch]

mk2 and mk4 have stab heavies

mk5 has overhead heavies which do more damage than stab ones

[forest coral]

Mk2 is stab on first and vertical slash on second heavy

[half turtle]

yeah i think that one is objectively better just because even if same damage it's easier to aim

didn't know it dealt more tho

i've only dropped one decent dueling sword so far

[forest coral]

but duelling swords are very similar so its mainly down to pref imo

[half turtle]

granted i basically check the shop once every time i log on and that's it

[forest coral]

use armoury exchange

saves you having to log in or change characters to check

[half turtle]

well i just don't like having to think about darktide shop all the time

i've basically decided that like, if i get something i get something

and if not, fuckit

life's too short to install a chrome extension to help me check a shop every hour

[forest coral]

honestly, as long as ur weapon meets certain % points it can do damnation

[half turtle]

yeah the ds i have feels fine on damnation

but i do also spend way more time on staff than melee

i randomly dropped a 378 trauma staff like 2 months ago and ever since they buffed it i haven't used anything else

trauma staff is actually fun now, although i wish it wouldn't knock normal horde guys so far back, because if i'm not super careful they'll get knocked behind the frontliner zealot or ogryn and then he'll get stuck and be unable to dodge

[forest coral]

I actually like using trauma

[half turtle]

yeah trauma feels really good now

[forest coral]

just needs a team who can capitalize on the yeeting since ur damage is pretty dog

[half turtle]

i wish they'd buff the LMB psybolt tho

[still hearth]

Draw your melee and finish them off

[half turtle]

listen if i wanted to hit things with a sharp stick i'd play my zealot

...which i do like 80% of the time

so idk, maybe

[still hearth]

Psyker has some great melees though

[half turtle]

yes like the purgatus staff

idk i'm basically here for this class because Cool Blue Magic

[still hearth]

That 17m infinite cleave melee

[half turtle]

good stagger too

[forest coral]

fire good, heretics bad

[half turtle]

i also like that you don't have to spend 15 seconds pulling it out of your fanny pack like the zealot has to

[forest coral]

life good

simple as

and then if too many funnies

psykinetic barrage with the brain squeezing

[half turtle]

is that the 30 talent that reduces bb chargeup cost/time

[forest coral]

yeh

[half turtle]

if so that's the only one i use now

idk why people think bb is bad on damnation

by "people" i mean like, on reddit

[forest coral]

its simple

they dont play damnation and theyre not psykers

but it could be better

[half turtle]

yeah it would be nice to be able to bb dogs or bursters but like

[forest coral]

I do agree it should do a bit more damage

[half turtle]

it's not the end of the world

[forest coral]

like at least pop a dog

[half turtle]

or flamers, for that matter

[forest coral]

yeh

[rocky cedar]

I don't think it should pop a dog TBH

They're kinda anti ranged by design

[forest coral]

well at least flamers then

[rocky cedar]

Flamers yeah I wouldn't mind

[half turtle]

i htink flamers are like 50% of the bad qol i experience from bb

i don't mind dogs or bursters that much

[rocky cedar]

Not unhappy with the break points it has though

[half turtle]

because you have so many other tools to deal with them

and i don't really mind that it takes 3 shots to kill ogryns or whatever

because, same thing

[forest coral]

the fact you can reliably demolish the ogryns is invaluable

[half turtle]

yeah psyker having a reliable anti-bulwark tool is 10/10

that's the single thing that frustrates me the most on zealot

[rocky cedar]

It would be nice if you could build for it a little more or 6 warp charges actually helped meet meaningful break points

[half turtle]

is that if i don't run bolter it takes 500 hours to kill a bulwark solo while i slowly wait for him to use his club attack so i can actually get around him

[rocky cedar]

You can't really build for BB at all besides KB and that seems a little odd

[forest coral]

yeah

[half turtle]

yeah i wouldn't mind warp charges giving a bit more %damage

[forest coral]

ascendant blaze isnt even that good

[half turtle]

i honestly think ascendant blaze is like a crutch for if you can't handle hordes solo

and that's why reddit loves it

[rocky cedar]

Like warp charges ain't a bad damage boost considering they apply to everything you do

[half turtle]

it feels super mediocre to me, like

[rocky cedar]

But it's odd that they don't really do anything for BB itself

[half turtle]

the dot takes 10 seconds to kill the horde anyways

[forest coral]

its not awful but i suppose it gives purpose to warp charges youre gonna lose anyway

[half turtle]

tbh i wouldn't mind warp charges being buffed

[rocky cedar]

I think people like AB more for the incredibly easy warp charge generation

[forest coral]

but then at the same time, psykinetic barrage literally will save your team from horrible situations

[half turtle]

maybe slightly more damage, fall off 1 by 1 instead of all at once

heck i'd be ok with higher +damage but only for bb

[rocky cedar]

The main buff I would like to see for Psyker is warp charges dropping off one at a time and having like 5 seconds longer duration

[half turtle]

yeah

[forest coral]

this so much

[half turtle]

yes it's insanely good

[brittle crest]

you all know they'll probably end up buffing vet and nerfing psyker

[rocky cedar]

Oh and those two garbage soul blaze feats getting buffed or reworked

[half turtle]

idk why literally every patch so far has been like

[forest coral]

OUTTA HERE ZEALOT

[half turtle]

weird qol nerfs for psyker

[rocky cedar]

They're inexcusably bad

[half turtle]

like i don't think psyker is that bad but it definitely has the worst qol of any class

[still hearth]

The level 25 one is good

[forest coral]

lvl 25 is great

[still hearth]

I wouldn't go that for

Far

[brittle crest]

hey i played my psyker a bit today cause i needed more dockets to play the shop game

[half turtle]

what's the level 25 one

[rocky cedar]

Which one is that again?

[still hearth]

But it melts bosses

4 blaze stacks when you overcharge warp charges

[half turtle]

oh like on random nearby enemy

[still hearth]

No

Prioritising elites

And it's the closest target

[half turtle]

i've literally never tried that one because soulblaze feels really trash to me

but maybe if i soulblaze enough...

[still hearth]

Lmfao

It's super good with purge

[forest coral]

Im happy to give it a go later/ over the weekend

[brittle crest]

i like kinetic flayer for the pop pop

[half turtle]

oh yeah i use kinetic flayer

maybe i should take the soulblaze one when i run trauma though, trauma doesn't feel nearly as good with flayer as purg does

[forest coral]

do u run it with quietude?

[still hearth]

The level 25 should just replace the level 10 one

And we get a new 25 feat

[half turtle]

is the 10 one the one that makes bb elites explode into soulblaze

[still hearth]

Yes

2 stacks, 3m radius

[half turtle]

i would take that one if i could be guaranteed there were no vets on my team

[still hearth]

[half turtle]

or at least try it

[still hearth]

No you shouldn't

[forest coral]

thats awful

[still hearth]

2 stacks is nothing

And the area is god awful

The reason 4 stacks works is because you get it while flaming

[forest coral]

so

[still hearth]

But you have to stop flaming to BB and it's probably a big distance

[half turtle]

oh do you get warp stacks from purg via some mechanism? or is it just the 10% on kill mechanic

[still hearth]

10% on kill. Can get the 4% on any kill too

[half turtle]

hmm

i guess ill try 4stack soulblaze someday

[still hearth]

But since purge melts things any time there's a horde the 25 feat will double down on melting big things

[forest coral]

essence harvest, inner tranq, psy commun, kinetic shield, kinetic overload and ascending blaze?

[half turtle]

heck maybe ill try it with trauma

what's the range limit in the 4-stack spread talent?

is it like, long?

[still hearth]

I think around 15-17m

[half turtle]

oh that's not bad at all

[still hearth]

I tested it but I forgot

[half turtle]

hmm how many blaze stacks to kill a gunner tho

[still hearth]

I prefer Quietitude but most run EH.

[half turtle]

i literally have just ignored anything that mentions "soulblaze" on it

for 100+ hours

[forest coral]

I just find EH better with purg most of the time

but then again it synergizes well with kb popping

[still hearth]

Like 8 maybe. But when you get over 10 stacks it stops scaling linearly and becomes more exponential

[half turtle]

hmm

ok i should definitely try this

[forest coral]

how long does blaze ticks burn for?

[still hearth]

8s

[forest coral]

Thats pretty generous

[still hearth]

Then it loses one stack per tick

[forest coral]

ah

[still hearth]

Each tick being 0.75

Seconds

[forest coral]

Well it aint sienna level burn stacking but

this seems interesting

ill try record bits once i test it on weekend

[still hearth]

Sadly I don't think I have a Purge staff run on my yt yet

But I do have one with laspistol

[forest coral]

god

[still hearth]

Yes it was awful

[forest coral]

so many peeps here telling me laspistol good but i just never feel it over literally any other weapon

[still hearth]

It isn't good

[forest coral]

Im like, are we playing same game here?

[still hearth]

At all

[forest coral]

ikr

[still hearth]

But

It has funny force push

[forest coral]

and a higher crit chance for base + funny ghost perk

but ye

[half turtle]

doesn't it also have like, really good flak damage

randomly

and then just garbo-tier damage against everything else, including unarmored

[forest coral]

it can one tap headshot flak shooters at close mid

and 2-3 shot gunners i guess, with headshots.

but its fall off is crazy

but anyways

[half turtle]

i think i used it once when i was leveling my first character

between levels 4 and 5

and haven't touched one since

[forest coral]

neither. Staff will still be the way for sure

[still hearth]

XII

I pretend it's a single target staff with ammo

[half turtle]

hmm

[forest coral]

[half turtle]

i did run an infernus recon lasgun a few times

which was fun i guess?

it uh

it procs kinetic flayer real good

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[forest coral]

XII fine and balanced

[half turtle]

i haven't actually seen a XII at all on my psyker, somehow

[forest coral]

emperor demands u not be basic

dont @ me but that gun is literally the vanilla icecream of this game

[half turtle]

it is silly to me that the recon lasgun is basically just worse than the XII in every way except having infernus

i guess it does better flak damage, but it also does way worse maniac damage

and it has like 1/4 the ammo efficiency

[still hearth]

@ u

But yes it is

[forest coral]

[half turtle]

they should really make recon las better at midrange elite killing all around, at least

[still hearth]

But the XII can also get infernus

[half turtle]

i think recon procs it more reliably/more though?

granted i don't have a XII with infernus

[still hearth]

Oh yeah

[half turtle]

but recon with infernus like, more than doubles its damage

[still hearth]

But you waste way more ammo

[half turtle]

against single targets like maulers or reapers

yes

[still hearth]

[half turtle]

it's stupid

they should just buff recon lasgun dps by 50% across the board

and then there would be an actual reason to take it over the XII that isn't just "many laser fun"

because holy shit that thing chews through ammo

[forest coral]

I think the lasguns across the board should be tweaked slightly to have their own flavor of effectiveness to be on par with the xii in some way

[still hearth]

The recon lasguns should have a ton of cleave

[half turtle]

so it kinda feels like they're each tweaked to be good against a different armor type

[still hearth]

So you can shoot through enemies

[half turtle]

like recon is way better vs flak

kantrael is way better vs maniac

etc

[compact cargo]

[half turtle]

but it just turns out that like

most of the things i care about shooting (and don't 1shs anyways with the 12) are maniacs

because almost every special is a maniac

[forest coral]

also have better synergy with psyker feats

[still hearth]

But XII still just

Oneshots flak

[forest coral]

so if we wanna gun psyker we're not like discount vets

[still hearth]

[half turtle]

yes that's the other thing lol

the recon lasgun's "niche" is like, killing maulers with bodyshots

10/10

it does kill maulers with bodyshots 50% faster than the 12 though!

[floral solstice]

give psykers something similar to vet's unwavering and i'd be convinced to play gunpsyker

otherwise, vets are too busted with unwavering and counterfire to be compared to in terms of gunplay

[half turtle]

i'd like if they reduced the ICD on flayer a bit, while maybe also slightly reducing the % chance to proc

it would also buff purg tho

[still hearth]

I have no idea why Vets are the ones with the ability to spot enemies through walls

[west galleon]

So i feel like the 90% monstrosity dmg is literally impossible in a pub match.
Did anyone here do it "al naturale" or is premade the way to go?

[still hearth]

Premade

I helped a Psyker randomly with shield Ogryn once

Otherwise it's basically impossible

Having to BB a boss for 90% HP is sadistic

[west galleon]

All the other ones i somehow managed to convince randos to help me, but i kinda dont even want to ask that of people

[cyan notch]

yea ur not gonna get it randomly by playing

unless ur in a solo clutch and run into a boss

[west galleon]

You guys dont have any spare time later for some free karma and updoots by chance?

Reddit silver could be yours!

[still hearth]

I could probably help out tonight but that's like 12+ hours from now

[west galleon]

Yea same here x) i thought if i asked soon-ish enough maybe some people would take pity with me

[lime meteor]

Yo can they take this line out the game😂

[atomic dagger]

good morning siblings

[uneven drift]

Morning.

[half turtle]

i think the best way to get 90% monster with bb is to have a premade shield ogryn pull a daemonhost

or a premade psyker i guess since even though they nerfed perils block it seems like you can still basically tank a daemonhost forever with it as long as you can dodge like half the attacks

[ornate hamlet]

Morning.

[floral solstice]

just play heresy with a full premade and at least 1 shieldgryn

tf i thought vanessa was one person

[forest coral]

I think something like chance to apply soulblaze on projectile based range+ extra crit on burning target would make the build viable

[shrewd grove]

💀

[half turtle]

i wouldn't mind the zealot melee bleed talent but with ranged weapons and soulblaze

[forest coral]

Or even, chance to create warp explosion on ranged kills

[half turtle]

well i hope if they add that that it's tuned better than showstopper is

[forest coral]

Hopefully lol

[forest coral]

Or have team hold back horde whilst u kite boss. Thank you bby

[floral solstice]

where's my 20 bucks

[forest coral]

https://streamable.com/rz3u3e

[uneven drift]

Peak gameplay

[floral solstice]

do you actually record everytime we play lol

[forest coral]

It’s just shadowplay

If something dumb happens can retrieve it

So in a way, yes

[floral solstice]

i have nfi what shadowplay is ngl

but i am skilled in typing in google

[cyan notch]

its just background recording for x minutes

[forest coral]

Ya

[floral solstice]

oh i dont think i've set that up or something

[half turtle]

Wow a non-fungible idea

[floral solstice]

finally i can record kimo getting hit by a single poxwalker while ads'ing

[forest coral]

weow.

[ornate hamlet]

I am.

I am one.

We are one.

We are many.

[floral solstice]

we are groot?

[ornate hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/guardians-of-the-galaxy-groot-we-are-groot-sad-teary-eyed-gif-3573518

[half turtle]

Lol me too tho I was thinking "Wow this person sure changes their nick a lot"

[ornate hamlet]

I just have two accounts

Because one is contaminated

[cyan notch]

with dozens of r34 servers

[ornate hamlet]

https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxLIDQ3jgxfprna2Jl6lCOAcGeLasdvar0

Not that many

I will have to play more with the laspistol, maybe I can make a stupid build out of it

Some quickswap laspistol shove build

[lethal folio]

Forcesword+laspistol is fun.

[ornate hamlet]

I feel like a melee without passive quelling makes all that quell time rough

[bold flint]

yummy perks

[uneven drift]

Ordo dockets the best.

[slow karma]

I wish I knew what to put on my curios. They're so fucking weird on psyker nothing makes sense

They also don't feel like they do shitall so

[spice veldt]

i play as a mostly melee psyker so I stack all three stamina perks on my curios (stamina regen, sprint eff, block eff); and partially because I don't run Kinetic Deflection so I really need that stamina

[slow karma]

I've lost sight of what my playstyle is.

I bounce around too much just to keep myself from getting bored

[spice veldt]

i like to play one specific playstyle and do that for like 2k hours

[uneven drift]

Just take a break, you know, it's not the end of the world.

[slow karma]

I mean I don't play enough for that to be real advice here

I still think about the game. I enjoy it when I do play it, greatly.

But I feel aimless

[ornate hamlet]

Revive Speed on every class.

[uneven drift]

Problem of modern gaming. People need objectives to chase. When devs started to replace your inner motivation of just having fun with external motivation of getting something for your actions.

[ornate hamlet]

That's been a thing since the start of gaming

It's just that they've distilled the "fix" into a specific way these days

[uneven drift]

Examples?

[ornate hamlet]

Any game with a high score

Tetris was one of the earliest ones

It was fun but beating someone else's score (or your own) was a big reason a lot of people kept playing

[clear heath]

did pong have high scores at the beginning? i forget

[ornate hamlet]

I don't think so

It was just a 1v1 game I think

Not sure if the earliest version even had a simple AI

Is wanting to get better at a game external or internal, though?

Because its always kind of been both

I get better because it makes the game more fun, but I also get more stuff from being better.

[slow karma]

I think my problem is just the state of loot

I kind of have to wait that out but I don't wanna

[uneven drift]

Mostly internal, but hardly depends on genre. For example DT's only reward of getting better -- pass the mission, difference in resources for mission aren't that likely will motivate you. Fighting games on other hand are competitive on 99%, so getting better here means getting better than other people whos you can't beat yet.
Anyway, without your interest this motivation won't appear unless you have some mental problems and fall in addiction very fast.

Same shit with a job in current economic system where you should chase money or you will live like a trash mostly. So here is where things are really scary because of your survival have nothing to do with your motivation to make world a better place and work hard just because you like your job.

[ornate hamlet]

I will keep playing so I can sit at 1k hours when they release crafting and go.
"Back in my day we had to WORK for our gear"

[ornate hamlet]

Yeah at the moment this game is almost entirely internal motivation. Getting better lets me play Damnation which is where I have the most fun. But I could just as well play a lower difficulty if I wanted to farm external factors.

[slow karma]

lol valid af

[ornate hamlet]

I'm waiting for it.

There will be people upset

That they made crafting easier

Somehow

[karmic fractal]

Just randomly got the Penance for BB'ing a Doggo midjump... while never using BB during the round

However, I live in constant FOMO on the other Psyker Penances

[uneven drift]

Tbf even VT mostly internal since there is a little of things that actually affect your motivation. FS nailed this gameplay loop, but God, how awful they at anything else.

[covert ermine]

what a meta curious for psyker on hi t5? Health health wound?

[karmic fractal]

either that or Health, Wound, Toughness

[ornate hamlet]

3x Wounds

Mathematically

S U P E R I O R

https://tenor.com/view/paripi-koumei-eiko-tsukimi-thumbs-up-anime-gif-25479338

[uneven drift]

Math superior.

[spice veldt]

i'm a toughness stan

[karmic fractal]

.... tough luck, eh?

[uneven drift]

I don't think there is any meta for curios.

I'm using 3x toughness with toughness and rolled gunner res.

[spice veldt]

if you go down a lot, go for wounds. If you don't have any trouble in melee and hate ranged enemies, go for toughness. I don't like health so I won't make a case for it.

and if you do stack toughness, consider running Kinetic Shield

[uneven drift]

Memes aside. 1 wound fine while you learning, then it's redundant.

[steel egret]

Health health health

[ornate hamlet]

Toughness is another mathematically superior thing

But running HP always worked the best for me

[steel vapor]

Which version of duelling sword is better - and why? 🙂

[karmic fractal]

obviously the force sword

[cyan notch]

mk4 vs mk5 up to you
mk4 has more cleave and easy headshot angles for lights and stab heavies
mk5 has more dodge and stronger overhead heavies

[steel vapor]

thx sir

[cyan notch]

mk2 has the fastest lights but pretty poor heavy compared to the other 2

[steel vapor]

how so?

[cyan notch]

less damage lol

mk2 heavy 1 has less damage than mk4 heavy 1/2

mk2 heavy 2 is same damage as mk4 heavy 1/2

mk5 heavies are easier to land and do more than both of the above

[lethal folio]

the MkV doesn't have as good horde damage as the others as one of the lights in the chain is a single target slice, much better armour damage though.

[slow karma]

another thing making me unwilling to play is being able to get one mission in and then the entire pool of players goes completely braindead and just blitzes everything, and ignoring literally everything going on

No healing, no materials, nothing. Just gogogogogo and I'm left behind because I'm trying to keep people alive and find materials we ALL need

I think I am done for a while

[uneven drift]

Which difficulty it is? I'm rarely see such behaviour on heresy+, but, for there are runs from rime to time full of malice players not understanding what is going on.

[vestal fulcrum]

380 Purgatus in shop, yet Burn is only 69%

[cyan notch]

[pine relic]

There is no big difference between 80% and 69% for such low damage.

[cyan notch]

thats 14 right

[slow karma]

I bounce between malice and heresy

It's a crapshoot either way

This is just pug life

[cyan notch]

14 is copeable tbh

[slow karma]

and I'm over it

[summer prairie]

mk2 heavy 2 is better for triggering rampage and hordea

[pine relic]

Did you guys do the 90% BB damage penance?

[vestal fulcrum]

I didn't yet

I only did Pick'n'Mix by accident

[spice veldt]

i personally haven't, since I'm waiting for a situation where it arises naturally to happen

[pine relic]

There was time, all my teammates are dead, and I was about to solo the Plague Ogryn, then a veteran join the game and use his bolter killed the Ogryn.

[spice veldt]

lmao

[pine relic]

Can you imagine how I feel?

[floral solstice]

just do it with a premade

[pine relic]

That's why I'm here, after 500+ hours, I can't find a friend who's willing to play this game because they all got scared by the steam rating.

[uneven drift]

Play more heresy. People here actually capable of pull their weight and do things most of the time.

[floral solstice]

none of my irl friends are interested either

so i just play with a bunch of people ive met on lfg

[pine relic]

I already finished zealot and veteran's penance, I just want the Psyker's storm witch armor.

[west galleon]

I'll help you if you help me 🙂

But i dont have an ogryn character, only a lvl 14 vet x)

[pine relic]

Don't need to. I can solo the Plague Ogryn (probably), but I do have a 30 Ogryn if you are interested.

[west galleon]

Im at work atm, i probably wont be off for another 8 hours due to that corpo wagie lifestyle

But i'll get back at you if its no bother

[pine relic]

No problem.

[atomic dagger]

when the psyker has to revive something went seriously wrong

[atomic dagger]

wow
thats fluent corpo

[ornate hamlet]

I constantly have to revive others.

[spice veldt]

some players don't know how to run away, so they try to melee a bulwark + crusher combo instead of taking their time and killing the surrounding commons first
there are also some players who don't know how to melee properly, so they get screwed up on a map like Hab Dreyko which is pretty claustrophobic

and this all still occurs on Damnation

[compact cargo]

lots of newcomers to the series

[spice veldt]

yup

and i think the in-game tutorial is veeerrrryyy lacking

I'm technically a newcomer since I came from L4D2 and never touched VT2, but I've watched some VT2 gameplay so I knew the gist of how the melee combat would work coming into this game

[pine relic]

right now I only recommend damage reduction against snipers and gunners on curios.

[forest coral]

Something always goes wrong

[wet belfry]

If something isnt going wrong your not playing on the right diffuculty.

[forest coral]

Amen

[atomic dagger]

i want to chill from work :3

[forest coral]

Chill symphony of team mate and heretic screams, in F major

[atomic dagger]

while me playing the Palpatine

[shrewd grove]

no hair looks good with the mask so ive gone bald egg mode

[slow karma]

Game tutorials are not meant to cover every advanced concept the game has in it

They'd be too long and arduous if they even tried

[pine relic]

I like this armor, but it looks a little bit too bulky for Psyker.

[spice veldt]

but they could certainly do better

they already have tiers of tutorials

"basic, advanced"

the point is that the information is in-game

so that I can just tell a player to go play the "super-advanced tutorial" to learn about this stuff

rather than telling them to consult an external resource and whatnot

[slow karma]

My question, then, is what kinds of things would this next step of the tutorial cover?

[spice veldt]

something like a simple video of an attack -> push -> attack -> push combo

melee a horde with some arbitrary melee weapon without taking health damage or something

[slow karma]

Yeah see that's not applicable to every weapon in the same way

[spice veldt]

sure, but the basic ideas are still there

i'm not expecting it to fix the problem

but for it to alleviate it so that players have some idea of what to do

can't fix stupid

but you can help it

[slow karma]

Well given this is fatshark, it'd likely do neither while costing them development time and resources

So

[spice veldt]

true

i still have wet dreams of good tutorials in games

but they are, alas, dreams

[ornate hamlet]

Tutorials are too hard

[slow karma]

Like I get your point but there's a point where you have to let the communty handle some of this advanced tactics stuff lest you get mired in tutorializing your game.

It could be better, sure but there's a fine line between enough and too much

[spice veldt]

hmm yeah, but people probably won't really consult external resources on their own, especially if they're casual players

the point of it being in-game is so that players are more motivated to consult it

[slow karma]

I mean, no, but then, why do you think they'd bother with the tutorial in that case?

[spice veldt]

and the game can attach rewards to tutorial completion for further motivation

because it's "part of the game", and they want to play the game

[slow karma]

They have to do the first parts of it, you think that extra click is gonna draw them in

Yeah no, that only applies if it's forced on them

[spice veldt]

the tutorial is also interactive, which is more engaging than watching a video or reading a guide

[slow karma]

Well no

I'm not remembering my own compulsion to keep going with the tutorial

So maybe I'm not giving this idea enough credit

[spice veldt]

maybe

i also don't expect players to play the "super advanced" tutorial

especially if it's optional or has no reward incentive

[slow karma]

Well you are right

[spice veldt]

but I would possess the ability to tell players to RTFM

and this manual would be in-game

[slow karma]

if it's presented to them in the moment, some will

I know I would have

so yeah, ok, I'm on board with this

[spice veldt]

yeah

i've just gotten tired of copy-pasting information to players

i like helping players, but I do get tired of it sometimes, and I'm in that seasonal phase where I'm not in it for helping others right now

[slow karma]

I think the only friction I sensed in this idea was the fact that FShark spending so much time codifying advanced mechanics like this and thus having to deliberately balance around them and keep them in consideration all the time

Lemme rephrase.

[spice veldt]

as in they'll change with time constantly?

[slow karma]

Not so much mechanics as "tactics"

Attack/Push patterns are, again, variable. and the concept itself makes sense but then, how do you build a controlled combat scenario deliberately meant to force the pattern?

Without either a) frustrating the player or b) overwhelming them with something that tracks differently from weapon to weapon?

I hope this makes sense

[spice veldt]

the tutorial would force a specific weapon, like Devil's Claw like it usually does
maybe confine the player to a small room/corridor with their backs almost to a wall

[slow karma]

the concept is sound but the application of the concept is suddenly WAY more complicated than the tutoral can realistically cover.

[spice veldt]

since like you said, that section could be trivialized if the player just kites from the horde

it certainly is a design problem

try to avoid making it too restricted or open

[slow karma]

Yeah, I just fail to see my way through it so I guess that's out of my hands

[spice veldt]

i still think that the basic attack -> push combo applies to a majority of melee weapons

so it's good enough for what it is

[slow karma]

Of course it does but there's a point in the combo you'd prefer to do it

And that's the wildcard aspect

[spice veldt]

mhm

[slow karma]

otherwise you'll just hamstring your damage output

[spice veldt]

avoid making the players feel as if the push->attack combo is the ONLY option

hmm

perhaps wording could go a long way
Have some more text in the tutorial that's like "...however, this is not the only way to fight a horde. As you progress in the game, you'll learn to blah blah and you can do whatever you want"

but that's also just me, since I enjoy reading

might be too much text, and people might not be sensitive to textual context

[wet jacinth]

Me: knowing damm well there were people skipping the character background explanations because reading.

Also imo the tutorial teaches basic stuff. But how to use them in tandem or effectively in combat is either experienced or watched/taught by other players.

[spice veldt]

yeah, though I do wish that the basic stuff was also expanded upon

such as telling players directly that push strength depends on stamina consumed, that you block in 360 (but take more stamina dmg from rear attacks), etc.

these subtle mechanics have merit in being informed to the player, imo

esp since you don't see stamina/peril % while spectating and whatnot

[summer prairie]

Maybe time to stop buying these

[ornate hamlet]

Never.

[wet jacinth]

[still hearth]

What would you guys say are the worst Psyker weapons

[uneven drift]

Guns, Trauma.

[wet jacinth]

Vanessa

[cyan notch]

how do u have nexus on all of them

YOUR CHEAT

[wet jacinth]

Many many cheating

[still hearth]

Bad take

I'm thinking Laspistol and Rashad

[summer prairie]

0 run&gun or barrage

[uneven drift]

You asked opinion, you get opinion.

[still hearth]

Fair. But have you considered having a good opinion

[uneven drift]

My opinion is the best wdym.

[still hearth]

I'd accept it if you put Void with Trauma, at least

Even if Void is the worst staff

[uneven drift]

Bad take

[still hearth]

Go on

[uneven drift]

No u.

[wet jacinth]

Void isn't as great on higher difficulties so vanessa isnt wrong

[still hearth]

Void is an okay weapon though

[wet jacinth]

But if you play Malice or smth all the time. Void is above average

[still hearth]

But I don't see it above any of the others

[wet jacinth]

My main reason for hating Trauma/Void/Surge staffs

It isnt Purgatus Funny blue fire

[still hearth]

Purgatus too strong

Makes enemies glow

[wet jacinth]

Also Purgatus's light attack

[lament topaz]

What’s up schizos?

[still hearth]

Oh no

I thought I was safe

[lament topaz]

Only Ogryn chat is safe.

[wet jacinth]

Oh no

[lament topaz]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046912126746374274/1069307206782160938/2862A61B-0375-44DC-BB6F-8654C37B9B00.gif

[maiden wolf]

Most satisfying stat spread ever.

[shrewd grove]

always on low stat weapons

[still hearth]

Use it anyway

[maiden wolf]

I've been picking up every deflector sword I find for some reason

I already have one optimized to deflecting, and a few damage ones.

I'd like to try for unstable power and slaughterer, it would be fun to try a high-peril melee force-sword build.

[spice veldt]

i did that too to grind for a deflector + slaughterer FS, though my best def + slaugh FS ultimately came from an upgraded grey

I only have like 3 unstable power force swords

and they're all +3%

or +2%

[maiden wolf]

I guess Slaughterer isn't so good now that it no longer buffs BB

[leaden thunder]

I mean

it's still like

a massive damage boost

like you gonna say no to a 50% damage. stagger and cleave boost

that's really easy to activate

[ornate hamlet]

very good stats but 3 diamond perk yuck
when you upgrade it'll probably get another 3 diamond and crap blessings too

[near wyvern]

It will work on kinetic flayer BB

[maiden wolf]

Most likely

[lethal folio]

Slaughterer still buffs blaze

[still hearth]

Thrust is the best blaze booster

[lethal folio]

Maybe, but then you have a weapon with thrust.

[still hearth]

That's true. But you can combo it with Limbsplitter on axe for even more burn damage

[summer prairie]

Four store resets, FOUR 380s

With limbsplitter+thrust+infested you could probably kill poxwalkers with 4 charge AB ult, not that it would be worth it

[frank talon]

Pog

[shrewd grove]

mfw i thought the surge staff was complete dogshit
enlightenment.mp4

[still hearth]

Solid mid tier

[sacred dome]

What was the thing w the surge staff then? In your enlightenment?

[shrewd grove]

it's just good at stunning shit in higher difficulties where 1 shot deletes your entire existence so it helps a bunch also does decent damage

not purg tier damage which is a given but the stun cant be overlooked

[sacred dome]

Indeed. Shocking discovery? Eyyyy

https://tenor.com/view/cat-kitty-storm-lightning-cloudy-gif-17607709

[shrewd grove]

Like it just covers your team from so much potential damage and gives them room to just dismantle elites it's great to use

[hearty dagger]

I am still a firm believer in Voidstrike superiority.

[shrewd grove]

Honestly all the staffs are good it's just the user

[ornate hamlet]

fake news

[ornate hamlet]

i use axe+purge

[shrewd grove]

https://tenor.com/view/gentleman-giga-chad-sigma-male-gif-25702945

[still hearth]

It's fine to enjoy bad things

[still hearth]

That's not surge

[leaden thunder]

man looks like a logitech

[ornate hamlet]

corrected, lol thx