psyker-class

[regal musk]

THe Surge staff havging a target cap along with pisspoor damage against hordes just makes it feel ineffectual.
Not being able to aim the chain effect makes that feel even worse.

[cold mesa]

death is the harder CC but none of the staffs are really good at killing elites

[regal musk]

Surge would probably feel better if it wasnt a charge -> shoot effect like the others, but rather hold for peril gain while latching lightning to anything under the crosshair for scaling costs.
Its damage is low enough to not justify its target cap imo and the majority of those iove seen use it just spam the minimal charge anyway.

[still hearth]

Purge being here like:

https://tenor.com/view/gotham-joker-am-ia-fucking-joke-to-you-cameron-monaghan-gif-16148760

[slow karma]

The target cap is because of how hard the cc is

Damage has nothing to do with it, you don't bring surge staff for that.

[cyan notch]

i would but i dont have a purg below 64%

[still hearth]

Fair

I love that the damage calc

Just doesn't change the numbers at all on damage shifts

Even the code doesn't know

[cyan notch]

the scale is just very tight

[still hearth]

Well okay

I wanted a bad purge, shop

[regal musk]

Sure. But the way it works right now is the same target cap at max charge as min charge AFAIK.
Charging really only increases the damage. Which as you say, isn't why you use the secondary.
Therefore, tie the sustain of that hard CC to your peril bar instead of a target cap.
If it's role is a CC stick, let it be that.
As it stands, the only time you really need CC is hordes, which Surge doesn't work well in due to the target cap where a Purgatus just looks in their direction and perma staggers everything till they're fried outside of Crusher and Muties.
That's why I'd rather see it get a hold and paint effect rather than the current capped min charge zap spam.

[bitter geode]

hey guys

[cyan notch]

hey thats like mine

[bitter geode]

i dont know if anyone has shared this before or not but i found a very very detailed and overall just great guide for psyker. check it out if you are looking for a build
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6y4V9oFQJfA

[narrow jolt]

@still hearthdo you run t4 or t5, and what do you normally run staff wise with it?

[still hearth]

They did. Overall its an okay build but they definitely exaggerate how "necessary" certain things are on Damnation.

[still hearth]

I usually only play Damnation, either with Purge or XII. I tried Voidstrike recently again and it still feels not great.

[narrow jolt]

ok so xii is the trauma? just trtying to figure it out\

[still hearth]

XII is the gun

Laser gun

[narrow jolt]

ive only ran VS on damnation bc that was my best staff

ohhhh

i thought it stunned og and other stuff with max charge, plus good damage

[bitter geode]

you might be right. unfortunately im not that experienced yet, however how he timed everything is of great help when creating a build even if its something different than his

[bitter geode]

you mean this right?

[still hearth]

It does some f-d up damage

You can one-shot most things to the head

[bitter geode]

im using this on veteran

basically a nice all rounder

[still hearth]

Calling it nice is a bit of an understatement imo. It does so much more damage than other guns atm.

[blissful kestrel]

I don't scrap any of my items, I have a 48% damage purgatus lying around if you want me to test stuff.

[narrow jolt]

anyone need help with anything? im back on and available to play

[still hearth]

Especially with how efficient it is.-

[ornate hamlet]

nice click bait

[bitter geode]

?

[narrow jolt]

i havent watched the video but is it click bait? or does it offer some information?

[slow karma]

Opinions vary

Goes for most things in life not necessary to sustain it.

[narrow jolt]

well if anyone at all watched it and learned from it, then it was a success

wether it was right or wrong

someone got information and adapted to it

[slow karma]

Few things are really wrong is the point.

People are just opinionated

[still hearth]

The only issue I have with it is that its basically stating things as fact.

[slow karma]

It's a game and folks sometimes fail to act like it

[still hearth]

When its not.

[cyan notch]

meanwhile the gun one damage tier below it has half the damage and less ammo but uses the same amount of ammo per shot

[still hearth]

Yeah its almost like they didn't have time to balance things

[cyan notch]

the only downside to an xii compared to an mg 1a is "oh lol u cant fire as fast"

[bitter geode]

well they did post an apology letter for launching an incomplete game

[slow karma]

It's a marksman's tool

Semi auto packs more punch than most things full-auto for that reason

[bitter geode]

i really like that it doesnt have iron sights

its such a pain in a dark area

when you have iron sights

[still hearth]

The damage difference between 67% and 78% on purge is

Basically nothing at all

[slow karma]

I wouldn't know, I can't really see shit in dark areas anyway

[bitter geode]

also it has a flashlight which is probably the best out of all things you can have on a rifle

[bitter geode]

thats why its great cuz it has a flashlight

[slow karma]

Which is a bit more of an impact than whether or not it has iron sights

[cyan notch]

yea i tested 80% vs 70% with same burn and it was 2 dmg difference at max flame damage

[slow karma]

either way I don't play gun psyker anymore anyway

as much as I liked the idea of it, my aim sucks so much I need to stay away from it

[still hearth]

"Damage isn't a dump stat"

Wasn't there someone who said Damage > Burn

https://tenor.com/view/laugh-anime-chuckle-gif-10903422

[bitter geode]

same XD

[cyan notch]

need to see how it scales though it might be just a very low threshold needed for it to be acceptable

[slow karma]

I used to be better at it by my eyes have been going bad

[bitter geode]

opinions on mk 5 dueling sword ? i would be using it with a purgatus staff. i mostly need a single target melee

[slow karma]

Dueling swords are not single target weapons

[still hearth]

The Knife is

And its faster

Though the thing is

[slow karma]

The mkV is the best choice out of dueling swords however, due to it's attack pattern

[still hearth]

With Purge staff you don't need a single target melee

[slow karma]

but past that it's not really meant for high damage

[still hearth]

Your Purge does single target as well

Anti-Crusher is nice though

The Fsword lets you push crushers over with shove attack and you can hit them with the charge

But its mobility is lacking aside from backwards dodges.

[slow karma]

Which are a bad idea to begin with

[bitter geode]

how is it not a single target weapon when all its attacks are single target?

genuine question

[still hearth]

It is a single target weapon. It just doesnt' do damage

[slow karma]

He says, showing how the first to swings of the light chain are cleaves

[still hearth]

Those are assassin strikes

[slow karma]

But the swing arc is diagonal

[ornate hamlet]

Single target weapons have finesse.
Cleave weapons have cleave.
Quit arguing without making any sense please guys

[still hearth]

Ye

[slow karma]

That's why the mkV is the popular one

Also stop trusting the UI

You know how dreadfully inaccurate a lot of this shit actually is?

Look at the Zealot's Thunder Hammer next to the Crusher

[cyan notch]

mk5 is the best for single target compared to other marks because

1. light 3 does more damage than light 1/2
2. heavies do way more damage than other marks
3. heavies are also overhead which are easier to get headshots (especially vs mutants)

[bitter geode]

i dont. thats why im posting questions here. i told you it was a genuine question

[slow karma]

Well the psykanium exists for that reason but fair enough

The weapon's damage profile doesn't suit single target, it's meant more for speed

And even then it doesn't excel at that

but as opposed to the combat knife, it has mobbing capability

Like at all

[steel vapor]

Its probably more of a hybrid weapon - it does decent singletarget damage when hitting weakspots, but it also has pretty good cleave - however due to the moveset the cleave is within a somewhat narrow arc

[still hearth]

I just feel like there's no reason to pair the Purge with anything but an anti-armor weapon

Which the Dueling swords are not (without blessings)

[steel vapor]

I see your point and agree to an extent, an argument could be made for a faster weapon you can swap to either when at high peril or when you dont have time to charge or you have yo deal with multiple angles

[cobalt fiber]

another day of being too bad at the game to get Cliffhanger 😩

[still hearth]

That's why the Knife is better in this situation.

[steel vapor]

Could be

Not much a fan of the knife myself, its good that there are options

[still hearth]

If you prioritize the damage then Fsword probably. Dueling Sword lets you clear hordes without Purge but also why. Knife lets you do good armor damage (sadly without Zealot crits its just not as good). The Combat Axes are all good but nowhere near as mobile as Knife/Dueling

Checking it Knife doesn't do as well on Psyker at all actually vs big targets.

[steel vapor]

Forceswords is allright, it can 2 shot crushers at damnation - its just that it has a frustratingly low passive peril quell

[still hearth]

So only use it for more speed.

[cyan notch]

knife is weird vs mutants and sometimes dogs compared to mkv ds

you dont need anti armour much on psyker since you can just bb ogryn enemies

knife is haha funny lacerate for bosses if you have the blessing though

[still hearth]

Haha funny 1.5s duration dot

With half the max stacks of the real DoTs

[covert ermine]

i dont mind numbers but is it intended?

[still hearth]

My common sense:
No

My Fatshark sense:
It's intended but we'll look into it.

[cyan notch]

known issue but not intended

[cyan notch]

thats why u dont stop stabbing

[still hearth]

But how am I going to apply Soulblaze then

[cyan notch]

you dont tbh

either gotta commit to one or the other

i think knife + bleed does more than purg spam

but of course melee vs ranged and bosses arent going to be alone and slime on floor and getting shot by garabge

[vale creek]

hello fello psykers

i'm asking something that wich stat should i reroll to what here?

weak spot damage to carapace?

(ill just reroll the blessings once the blessing reroll got released)

[cyan notch]

id change weakspot to crit chance

carapace is only crusher

[vale creek]

okayy

then

crit rate it is

thank you

[cobalt breach]

cant wait to be able to reroll blessings.. its getting painful with some of these staves?

[muted swan]

feats suggestions please?

nvm its on the pinned lol

[frigid marten]

We are sure the blessing crafting is coming? Maybe they just redo all the crafting

[idle bay]

We can't trust a word they say. So we will be pleasantly or unpleasantly surprised with a crafting changes when they implement it

YAY! Another useless 380 gun on my Psyker.

[cyan notch]

same lol

[idle bay]

Mood kindred!

I'll go grab it anyway, with nerf trend Gun Psyker is a future for sure 🙂

408 hours and i have not seen a single 380 Surge staff...

[vale creek]

wich number is 380?

[idle bay]

Base stats/Modifiers summ

[vale creek]

oh i see

welll

i think if the right stats are good you dont need the others much to be high

[near wyvern]

Yes but 380 is the current max total roll

[vale creek]

yea but its rng not like if you a more skilled you wont get better stats

[still hearth]

Fatshark dev says 400 is possible

Fatshark is just a headache tbh

Idk how half the time they say things aren't broken when they are, then some of them make absolutely absurd claims

[cyan notch]

sauce?

[near wyvern]

Let me see a 400 and then I believe it

The only time I have seen higher than 380 is when the total number bugs out at Hadron, calculating the individual modifiers it's still 380

Fatshark Devs also say they designed the system to be non grindy and player friendly 🤡

[still hearth]

It was an image shared from the forums. But it's definitely not truem

I don't have it sadly.

[cyan notch]

[still hearth]

But 380 is the current cap for sure. Though I believe it involves decimals which is why you can get 380+ values

[steel vapor]

i know your pain

[steel vapor]

i got a laspistol during the beta that says 381 - but i think it might be some sort of bug

[still hearth]

It's most likely a rounding error

Have you counted the modifer values?

[steel vapor]

nah too much work

also i cant count

[idle bay]

Spoken like a true Zealot main 🙂

[still hearth]

Just want to mention I'm not making a claim that 400 are possible. Just that there was an image of a forum post by a Dev saying 400 is possible, but super ultra unlikely

Which y'know can be them not actually knowing how the system works

Or some older info

[cyan notch]

i mean yea anyone who plays the game knows 380 is the cap

[idle bay]

I've seen few screenshots of weapon with modifiers summ 381 or 382

[still hearth]

Yeah because rounding errors

The highest people get is 385

Which is rounding error on all 5 mods

You can get this on items below 380 btw

Its just that no one notices

[idle bay]

Even rounding is not working properly 🙂

[feral topaz]

its really weird

rounding errors indicate these numbers are float or smt and not int

[clear heath]

I've seen a screenshot of something with 385 even though all the modifiers add up to 379
which would be impossible even if it was a rounding thing

this thing

makes no sense

even with rounding, 5 numbers isn't gonna get you a total that's 6 higher

[manic needle]

My staff glitched when I consecrated it, thats why you see the 385 rating

the original was a 380 grey

[clear heath]

yeah i just wonder how this even happens

[manic needle]

Spaghetti code

[steel vapor]

indeed

[idle bay]

Emperor does the counting of heretics we kill, so no need for ourselves to count 🙂

[steel vapor]

Knowledge is the fastest way to corruption

[split oxide]

#darktide-memes message

[manic needle]

-Fatshark explaining why their tooltips suck so much

[steel vapor]

Knowledge wavers in the face of true conviction

[idle bay]

They are lore accurate in many ways - i'll give them that 🙂

Though WH40r lore is a weird thing with holes and inconsistencies.
Like in Gaunt Ghosts series there was a huge fella, a human, who was able to wield an improvised (with duct tape and bent fork as trigger) Twin-Linked-Auto-Cannon. I mean even Space Marine can't pull that off

Though the bolt gun usable by non-augumented humans without power armour - that a thing from tabletop RPG, not lore accurate in any way .. but fun.

[ornate hamlet]

stats don't matter if it rolls limbsplitter it's ruined 😄

[summer prairie]

anyone notice taking hits through block, possibly only when push attacking

[still hearth]

Not necessarily. But you have to do so much work around that it's awful

[still hearth]

Yes you can get hit while push attacking, afaik. It feels much worse than before with hordes now too

Idk if that's because I've been using different weapons lately

But I definitely feel like I get hit during the push attack when I didn't before.

[summer prairie]

Possibly now when you get hit at 0 stamina, it just hits through your block completely

[cyan notch]

yea been a thing since launch

[summer prairie]

no, it used to only break your block

now after the "fix" you take a hit

[cyan notch]

no i mean the getting hit through push attack

every time i push attack a rager with fs if im not careful with timing i get a trade

noticed that since the first time i used fs

[summer prairie]

anyway, it feels different than before the patch

[cyan notch]

havent noticed anything personally

push attacks were never safe

[clear heath]

doesn't really feel any different to me either

[summer prairie]

Can't find any relevant code changes, might have just been unlucky

[vale creek]

i think as long as the gear is at least half decent its up to your skill and team that will u survive or die

[rocky cedar]

Wait have you ever been in block state during push attack?

I was sure not

During push yes

But not push attack

[manic needle]

https://www.pcgamer.com/darktide-studio-admits-the-state-of-the-game-means-promised-features-are-being-pushed-back/

"Fatshark's Warhammer 40,000: Darktide launched in early access in November 2022"

Amazing, the players accidentally trolled PC Gamer Journalists by giving it the Early Access tag on Steam.

[compact cargo]

Game urinalist

[ornate hamlet]

just shows how shit those journalists are

[gloomy gulch]

Anyone have any tips for pick n mix

I keep getting 4 lol

[tall torrent]

does anyone else here spend so much time rerolling a perk that you end up forgetting what were you looking for in the first place?

[ornate hamlet]

i reroll to see every perk possible because it is free anyway

[tall torrent]

yes it was a joke, i mean since it's free why not letting me choose what i want instead of wasting time?

or at least give multiple choices per roll

[bright cipher]

Holdup did Fatshart really nerf psyker who's already pretty shit?

They killed the one niche where the Psyker was better than the rest

Kinetic deflection tanking

AND the weapon swap tech

????

So their first action after a big fuck you to the community in the form of dropping a steaming pile of manure which is an unfinished game and fucking off on vacation is to nerf the weakest class

[dapper dove]

rip i main psyker

super casual too

surge is fun

+devils calw

[dapper dove]

what happend

[bright cipher]

U could swap weapon in brain explosion animation

To cancel it

[dapper dove]

sounds like a bug

[worthy wedge]

Yeah that's pretty obviously not intended.

[ornate hamlet]

that was patched

[supple skiff]

the contempt is real

[ornate hamlet]

first off, you're bad if you need to exploit to stop from exploding
second, they didn't apply anymore nerfs to the class
they buffed toughness regen on every class, including psyker, and they buffed trauma staff - tho i personally still don't like it

[supple skiff]

they're coming for our stam regen next

[ornate hamlet]

i could care less about stam regen or blocking

learn to time your dodges properly

[supple skiff]

then itl be FS infinite dodge

https://tenor.com/view/grampa-simpson-gif-19674842

[frozen osprey]

Da surge skin on da purg staff 😳

[frozen osprey]

Literally just press F dude you don't need a bug to not be bad

[dapper dove]

should i use mystery acuistion if i want a better staff at level 30

[ornate hamlet]

lol no

[dapper dove]

only 750 whatever currency that is

[dapper dove]

sadge

[ornate hamlet]

i don't recommend ever using mystery acuisition

[dapper dove]

f

still using blue

[round moth]

mystery aquis is only good for spamming curios in the hope of something good

[ornate hamlet]

best way to get a weapon upgrade is to simply check the regular vendor as often as you can and pray for a strong one
run missions in between to complete weekly and check special vendor selection (which is usually trash)
and to grind mats so that if you do find a good one at one of the vendors you can upgrade it,
and you could get a lucky drop from emp gifts, but
best source is the regular vendor
look at other weapons you might like too, look at their base stats, if it's a great roll buy it to hold on to it in case you decide to roll with it and like it

don't listen to other people's advice, do your own testing in meat grinder

most people - particularly the loudest ones - are just children repeating what they've heard and haven't even tested a damn thing

[round moth]

SO MUCH THIS

[supple skiff]

fr, had a few folks try to convince me that quell blessing worked with quietitude before the patch that fixed it

[gilded cloud]

i assume the stats for this are just okay right? Given it is a level 1 blessing and mobility is dump stat? and mobility is high?

[supple skiff]

lots of confidently incorrect shit in here lol

granted, not something you could test in the grinder

[ornate hamlet]

361 is a decent base modifier roll total, but .. damage is one of the most important stats on axes

and unfortunately that one didn't roll that high on it, it's still quite strong tho

axe damage is a combination of damage and first target, that's not a bad axe,
you should inspect it and look at the actual effects damage and first target have
personally I like MK II and MK VIII more than MK V, but that's not a bad MK V and worth upgrading if you don't have a stronger axe

just pray you don't get

here's an example of another MK V that rolled better despite having worse total

in case you want to compare

i feel like axe doesn't really have a dump stat unless you don't think you need 5 dodges.
if you're fine with 4, mobility isn't very important

on the MK V tho, personally i'd consider cleave targets a dump stat for sure

then mobility, then penetration

damage and first target being most important

on MK II and MK VIII
damage>first target>finesse>penetration>mobility

this is my opinion mind you

[lethal folio]

For Antax you don't need more than 50% cleave targets, and more than 50% mobility isn't important.

[supple skiff]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/10mytru/guide_automate_perk_rerolls_with_gocrclicker/ no mod support and yet the community is still coming in clutch with the QOL stuff

[ornate hamlet]

MK V
damage>first target>penetration>mobility>cleave targets
imo

[supple skiff]

Disclaimer: haven't used that yet and it seems new, could be sketchy lol

[ornate hamlet]

typically, all 3rd party programs that automate gameplay in any form are against terms of service (because botters)

this isn't really the archtype of multiplayer game type that would probably give a shit about automation/macros but you never know

could flag your account potentially

i'd rather do it myself anyway

[rigid widget]

Shame this ain't got better base stats

Melk store

[supple skiff]

I don't plan on using it, and most likely against TOS

that said, the optics of banning someone for trying to automate perk selection is this game would be abysmal and a PR shitshow if enough people found out

I know some folks were running macro's for las pistol spam, but no way that was anything more than meme build as a one off, either way didn't hear of anyone getting banned for it

[steel vapor]

I mean, are macros against tos tho? They are pretty common

[ornate hamlet]

in most mmorpg style games yes, but in this particular game? i have no clue, probably not

it's not an mmorpg, but there have been plenty of games with similar design to this one that do not allow macroing of any kind, particularly ones that include pvp content

since this is not a mmorpg, and it does not include pvp content, they probably don't care
but they still care enough about hackers to run easy anticheat right?
and easy anti cheat might flag you

[summer prairie]

Don't use the force sword

[supple skiff]

so, doing some reading on the subreddit, and it looks like folks figure the toughness regen perks are borked

[ornate hamlet]

it's the math that's borked

[supple skiff]

like instead of 15% being added as 0.15 its 1.15

[ornate hamlet]

+115% you mean, and yes that sounds about right

enemies have different armor on their body parts

https://exputer.com/guides/warhammer-40k-darktide-unyielding-enemy/

this is a pretty good guide

and feel free to hit the meat grinder to test the claims in the guide, but i think it's correct

it's helpful to know these things tho, because of this perk

[supple skiff]

didn't realize that the unyielding tag was based on body parts like armor was

assuming that article is right about that

[ornate hamlet]

it's a pretty big deal because when you're stacking all the modifiers you can from perks and blessings, knowing what types of attacks to use with different weapons etc, you can down things super fast compared to when you don't know

[ornate hamlet]

easy to test, just use a gun and shoot parts and see if the guide is correct

you should see different damage on different parts

using a gun with perk against carapace armor for example

or flak

[supple skiff]

yeah, thats par for the course

[ornate hamlet]

blame fatshark

[supple skiff]

vet is just better

[ornate hamlet]

psyker feels much better once you cap it out, but yeah

[supple skiff]

at pretty well every role

[hollow wasp]

vet is boring as hell

[supple skiff]

not wrong

[hollow wasp]

cant even level it

[supple skiff]

I only have a vet and a psyker, and vet is not nearly as interesting

[ornate hamlet]

only 2 classes i'm interested in are psyker and zealot

[supple skiff]

I'm starting to think I'd like Thammer zealot but idk if I want to go through gearing again

[hollow wasp]

psycher is a great class, all the hate is from burnt out meta gamers

now if i could only get good items somehow

nah some balance issues but the critisism is very overblown

usually just whining that vet is better

[ornate hamlet]

the main reason people are salty is because they know what psyker was in beta

it was OP as shit and super fun lol

[hollow wasp]

vet suck rofl this is warhammer why would you wanna play a class like everyother shooter

[supple skiff]

term you're looking for is comparative analysis

[ornate hamlet]

they did fuck up BB, but otherwise the class is ok
fatshark just needs to rebalance BB
it takes way too many hits to down stuff in higher difficulty compared to other ranged weapons that DO scale properly in higher difficulty

[hollow wasp]

not really demanding much effort

every class can do damnation well

[frozen osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/copium-meme-pepe-frog-gif-26117735

[hollow wasp]

yea sure but 90% of posts are like hating psycher memes its so lame

waaaa I cant infinite block anymore

[ornate hamlet]

the fact is, people are enjoying the class actually

there's a TON of psyker players despite it being over nerfed

[hollow wasp]

trust me if we can only get the ability to tweak blessings freely , thats all everyone needs

[ornate hamlet]

that has no effect on BB, which is what people have the biggest issues with on psyker.
it is basically useless on damnation

[hollow wasp]

its far from useless

[supple skiff]

one reason to play the "shooter" class is that it has access to the hands down best and most vesitile melee weapon

[hollow wasp]

you can 1 hit plenty of specials and clear out shooters in cover from a very safe distance

[ornate hamlet]

lol, do you even play psyker on damnation

[hollow wasp]

see thats what i mean you got the memes affecting all these psycher players

they cant even think straight

[supple skiff]

game's design philosophy is fucked, and people bitching about psyker is just one way of expressing that

[hollow wasp]

yea yea we get it pipe you get your feelings hurt ez , thats not my problem, im just saying the hate is way overblown

[shy crag]

Folks, does anyone know if any of the Psyker Staffs actually do crit damage? in particular is it really worth it having a crit chance perk on your staffs?

[supple skiff]

depends on the staff

[hollow wasp]

I think only purgatus has no crit dmg

[supple skiff]

purge crits add more burn stacks on crit

[hollow wasp]

hard to test

no your policing attitudes because you like it a certain way

again thats not my problem

my whole point , psycher is much better than you would know reading forums, and at this point its self indulgeant ''plz buff my class'' stuff

I get it its nice to have that excuse

[shy crag]

are you sure about that? Is there any real way to test this? can't really see how many dot stacks are on a target.

[supple skiff]

I can't personally confirm it no

but purge users seem to be under that impression

[shy crag]

ive read some old forum/reddit posts that also kinda claim purgatus doesnt crit as well so trying to get a decent idea.

[hollow wasp]

yea i cant test purgatus very well in psychanium , i guess you would have to read the code

[ornate hamlet]

ok bro just watch this video and shut up
i'm making this vid just for you

[hollow wasp]

rofl

ok bro , like I said plenty of specials are 1 shot bb on damnation

oh look! ill disprove you by showing example of bb not 1 shotting this specific special (you know the tank one!)

gunners, shotgunner, bombers, snipers, trappers

all the most dangerous specials on damnation

all 1 shottable

[ornate hamlet]

it does not 1 shot trappers lol

[hollow wasp]

or you ult and fat cast 2 BB for flamers, dogs, ragers

ROFL

ragers you should forcesword special anyway

like I said , some are just mad that its not the vet ult

[ornate hamlet]

wait you're right it 1 shots trappers, but yeah there's quite a few that it doesn't

[hollow wasp]

well the important ones, mutants are a bit of a challenge but forcesword special

[ornate hamlet]

it's really bad compared to what other classes can do is the real issue tho

[hollow wasp]

and lets not forget just the option to stunlock with surge

[ornate hamlet]

they should just make it charge up quicker imo

people would dislike it a lot les

[hollow wasp]

hey I wont argue for a slight buff, but to me its fine to not one shot everything,

what I want is a stack rework

and maybe no gd guns in my shop

[gilded cloud]

Can you use the force sword on them as they charge at you? And kill them before the animation of them tackling you is registered or no?

[supple skiff]

fun fact about flamers, on heresey after a BB all it takes to drop them is one staff lmb bolt to the chest

how's that for a break point

[hollow wasp]

no idea chew

[ornate hamlet]

different staves do different left mouse dmg btw

and i don't mean random stats, purg is waaaay different

[supple skiff]

well I'll be specific here and say a void staff

my point is a flamer survies a BB with a frustratingly low amount of health

[hollow wasp]

rager too

like 1 hp

[supple skiff]

I use to have a fun little work around

[ornate hamlet]

it seems intentional honestly

[hollow wasp]

yea

[supple skiff]

using slaughterer empowered BB

but Fat shark says I can't have that anymore lol

[summer prairie]

trauma/void/surge lmb are identical (except for surge having crit)

[cyan notch]

you can 1 shot with like 4 warp charges

[hollow wasp]

I just want to finish my penances so I can play the game carefree rofl

[cyan notch]

or something

[supple skiff]

that wouldn't surprise me given the narrow margin

but I refuse to give a shit about warp charges lol

[hollow wasp]

yeah the timer on them is silly

and doesnt buff much

[cyan notch]

yea heresy 4 or 5 max will 1 shot flamers

[hollow wasp]

I think thats the main thing with psycher

[cyan notch]

dogs still take 2 tho lmao

[shy crag]

Is the surge staff the only one that can do crit damage?

[supple skiff]

the break points with BB are rough

[hollow wasp]

all staves are cool , BB is ok by me, could get a tweak , but charges suck

[supple skiff]

I only managed to hit some with like 65% power from slaughterer

[summer prairie]

Setanta: no, but it has the crit weapon stat which actually makes it meaningful

[hollow wasp]

shop time

[cold zinc]

No they will charge through it unless they are super low hp already.

[supple skiff]

you can connect with it if they run by sometimes, but its spotty at best

its like once it connects if they make enough distance it stops the damage, goes for hounds too

[shy crag]

I'm just trying to figure out if its worth taking crit chance perks or that +crit chance warp nexus blessing on any of my staffs.

[ornate hamlet]

purg can crit on left mouse btw, but the damage is so low it doesn't matter that it crits, what matters is it applies more stacks when it crits

[summer prairie]

@shy crag: purg benefits from crit in other ways so definitely worth. Warp nexus is also always worth it due to the other blessings mostly being poor

[old oyster]

have a question , can someone explain what i need to do here ? need lil details

[old oyster]

okay thanks

[ornate hamlet]

np, and that's not the only area that's good for it
if i hadn't had it completed already, that would have been like 12 or so counting toward it

[gilded cloud]

Would a normal fall kill them? Or does it have to be an endless pit/unwalkable area like that?

[ornate hamlet]

bottomless pit areas

[gilded cloud]

And is the ult the only way to knock them or trauma staff works too?

Or pistol special

[ornate hamlet]

that's purg staff btw not trauma
but using special is best way, not sure block pushing or other methods count

[gilded cloud]

Wasn't your purge staff just for staggering them? Then you used ult to push?

Trauma I was thinking of the secondary push

[ornate hamlet]

yeah to hold them in place while the rest dropped down

[gilded cloud]

Gotcha. Thanks

[thorny bison]

lfg ogryn to tank a demonhost on heresy for a penance

[ornate hamlet]

wrong channel

they're in #ogryn-class
medimedimedi med medicay medicay

[sacred field]

I got Cliffhanger shooting normal poxwalker horde who were dropping down from a ledge with Voidstrike, not sure if intended.

[idle bay]

Clearly not - by game design Psykers suppose to suffer. Report it as a bug 🙂

[sacred field]

haha

[idle bay]

I love few recent bug posts about Pick and Mix Penance not working 🙂 And happy that i'm not wasted 4 players time to get it.

[hollow wasp]

whats wrong with pickn mix? its my last one

[idle bay]

You can do everything right and pop heads of 5 elites in that small time window and get nothing.

[hollow wasp]

Iv only maanaged to get 4/5 , but seems to be registering fine

[idle bay]

https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/psyker-penances-not-completing-on-higher-difficulties-pick-n-mix-going-out-with-a-bang/67464/4

Details on the bug

[hollow wasp]

I dunno, could be user error, not that convincing, but could be

[wet jacinth]

Basically.

BB Harder

Honestly I don't even remember when I completed it

Was on accident

[hollow wasp]

stupid vets sniping my shit

[summer prairie]

The code definitely checks for difficulty >=3. The bug report just assumes it's due to the difficulty

[leaden thunder]

what do y'all run on curios?

[mortal pendant]

health x 2, wound x 1

[near wyvern]

I run now 1 wound 1 stamina and 1 toughness with stamina regen & toughness regen perks. But I also like to use duelling swords and knives so that extra stamina helps a lot when getting chased by a plague ogryn.

And I use kinetic shielding

[deft trench]

I wish i could get a trauma staff that wasn't absolutely horrendous

700+ hours 40+ trauma staffs, all of them get run and gun, transfer peril, or assorted other t1 perks that are worthless

And when the blessings don't suck, the base stats do, no dmg, no aoe, kill me

[frozen osprey]

Good game (:

[mortal pendant]

health x 2, wound x 1

[glad fern]

I run toughness x3 but I dunno if that optimal

[clear heath]

I run 3x toughness as well

[wet jacinth]

2x Stamina

[tall torrent]

yes or no?

[wet jacinth]

Depends

If you like the MkII variant

[tall torrent]

wanted to try since i cant get a decent deflector and im 400 hours in

[wet jacinth]

Its MkII with low mobility too.

Oof

[tall torrent]

how big of a deal is on mk2 or duel sword in general?

[wet jacinth]

MK2 / Mk4 have shorter dodge distances than the Mk5

But MK2 heavies are diagonal iirc

Mk4 heavies are stabs

Mk5 heavies are vertical overheads

Mk2 iirc is like 4-5 diagonal slashes for light.
Mk4 is 4
Mk5 is 2 diagonal slashes and the 3rd being a light overhead (this combo is the fastest too iirc)

Mk2 / Mk4 get more cleave damage than Mk5 though

[tall torrent]

tbh i have never used duel swords, i read somewhere that mk2 is supposed to be the best but no other info

[wet jacinth]

Best for hordes

Mk4/mk5 are better for elites/specials

Dueling swords shine best if you can make use of the dodges/push/blocks and etc

[sullen barn]

How about mk4 vs mk5 ?

[rare furnace]

Brooo the lad gun is perfect on psyker better than stuffs xD

[clear heath]

wow, a 380

[dapper dove]

Do 30's get the same weapon armory cycles?

[split oxide]

tRauMa
Would've like to see a purgatus or surge

[dapper dove]

Ew its not surge

[sacred field]

finally

[idle bay]

Low completion rate of this penance probably warms the black sadistic heart of the dev that designed it 🙂

[leaden thunder]

got that one on my vet

[tall torrent]

so mobility as dump stat is bad

[sacred field]

Now just need someone to shield tank a daemonhost for me 😒

[idle bay]

Poke in LFG channel - fastest way to find a team for it

[rare furnace]

Drip

[near wyvern]

Trauma is no joke anymore now that they halved the peril cost

[lucid horizon]

meh

[lethal plover]

nobody cares to do it

[hexed ibex]

So Deflector not working while reviving is "Not a bug"?

[lethal plover]

another nerf

[hexed ibex]

They just killed mah boy

[quasi ivy]

lads, i am leveling psyker, which is the best lvl 10 feat?

[daring nexus]

I use psykinetic wrath the most

[idle bay]

Heh... bot with Grimoire

[frigid marten]

3x health, but as the current bugs toughness shine.

[rare furnace]

The dmg from sources

[left briar]

is trauma staff insnae now?

[lethal plover]

it was usable and now it is much better
but if you want to do the 9000th staff comparison you are gonna repeat the things that have all been said

[left briar]

say it for me

[lethal plover]

surge is best if you don't use it for damn you're sabotaging the team
ackshually each staff does a different thing purge is better for horde clearing
ackshually trauma does a mix of horde and CC
etc.

[left briar]

does surge still blind peop[le?

not a fan

[daring nexus]

No that’s was fixed the next day

[clear heath]

actually that took like a week to fix

what got fixed in a day was peril blinding people

[hexed ibex]

Ackshually knocking down with trauma is CC just like the surge and with the reduced Peril costs and bonus damage its pretty much better then surge now ackshually

[lethal plover]

vfx team on a mission to kill the game

[feral topaz]

I joined a game tonight, and I was like, why is a quarter of my hp purple, then I realise I spawned with the grim on me

[left briar]

you like that grim bro ?

[feral topaz]

Uuuh, if it wasnt malice, not so much.

But its ok we lost that match because boss tunnel vision

[humble saffron]

Working on upgrading a purg staff I lucked out on. For perks, it sounds like I want to swap something out for crit. Trying to figure out which of Unarmoured and Unyielding to switch.

[timber raven]

If we don't use force sword

what is best melee weapon for psyker

[austere estuary]

duelling is pretty alright, though suffers vs carapace

[timber raven]

i dont get duelling sword

it looks nice

[austere estuary]

I like tac axes for being pretty decent all rounders

[timber raven]

but it really dont seem to do much damage

axe i like very much

[austere estuary]

crits, staggers, speed, good single target, weaker on hordes

[worn cypress]

I use duelling mostly bc I love how it plays, axes sometimes too

lots of psykers seems to love using the tiny knife but idgi

[timber raven]

anyone who uses a knife when fighting hordes of zombies and trained soldiers is a dumbass

unless you're a ogryn

because ogryn knife big

[south zephyr]

still can't decide between 1 wound and 2 toughness curios, or 1 wound and 2 health curios

[timber raven]

1 wound 2 health

like is always better to build health

[worn cypress]

ehh I like the knife a lot on zealot. just not so much on psyker

[timber raven]

pulls out eviscerator

"Now that's a knoife"

[wet jacinth]

you mean a Devil's Claw

[timber raven]

thats good

[wet jacinth]

when you pull out an eviscerator.
"NOW THAT'S A CHAIN SWORD"

[olive cairn]

I've noticed that people love to half-clear hordes to get a way out to the next objectiven only to let it converge on my psyker. Maybe I'll just stop deleting elites and see how that goes.

[idle bay]

Nope that's the CHAINSWORD

[split oxide]

Targetting is still unintuitive.
It's like the ogryn charge: totally screws up firelanes for flamers/purgatus.
(you set up a firelane like a corridor or chokepoint.. * BAM * bodies are up in the air and horde is now laneded around you)
At least Void does more damage.

Surge: auto-targets multiple targets
Void/Purg: intuitive field of vision.
Trauma: why target like that if you can't aim behind walls/hardcover.

Trauma Staff and gunkers are at the same level to me..

[idle bay]

Idea for Trauma re-work. Replace the "Special" with Lock-On mode. So your Circle will be centered on Locked target

[olive cairn]

Does Trauma blast disappear on stairs still

[still hearth]

So how should one use the Trauma staff.

[near wyvern]

Depends on the staircase

[split oxide]

they just remind me of those supervilliain satellite lasers....

[near wyvern]

I used mine during a Damnation mission that bugged out and spawned endless hordes so that I was constantly nuking our vet and under our feet to make a safe space.

I pretty much went through the level holding R and RMB back to back

[near wyvern]

Trauma ruining firelanes etc is a user issue

[split oxide]

Yes.. they keep using it.

[near wyvern]

I always fire either at a friendly players feet or sufficiently far that that it staggers / throws enemies into the front line swings

[still hearth]

I got like 5 minute of gameplay footage of me trying Damnation Hi Int solo with it

But since no one joined I eventually went down

[near wyvern]

So either you push mobs back or you blast them far away to thin the horde.

[still hearth]

Though it actually felt pretty good, the damage is still a bit low.

[near wyvern]

It's a CC stick like surge

Not ment for damage

[split oxide]

Maybe I don't play Damnation... but 'always be killing' is something that I try to live by..
(surge being the only exception)
every second you exist as a player, another dreg is being spawned becaues of you.

[west stream]

Damage per hit isn't very much, but point of it is you can keep spamming attacks while moving and taking no damage

you don't need a window of opportunity

you just make it

[near wyvern]

Better vs horde than surge, different vs elites since you can't lock them down permanently but you know 100% what you gonna hit with it

[still hearth]

The upside is definitely that you can CC things inside of a horde

[near wyvern]

Also bonus points for making Pox bursters and beast of nurgle rather trivial

[west stream]

Dueling sword is also pretty handy to get behind specials

I just keep circle turning and suddenly I am there

I imagine there's some synergy with guns exploiting that but I just keep slicing

[near wyvern]

With trauma + knife it's funny to throw a special to your feet and then stick a dagger into the head that is now almost on a plate in front of you

Axe heavy also works for that executioner feeling

[split oxide]

maybe there isn't enough videos of trauma out:
just seems 'mental gynmastics' to me on 'how it can be good'.

[clear heath]

What does it do with beast of nurgle? Make it always spit players out?

[near wyvern]

Nurgle takes extra explosive damage. You eat chunks of HP bar off with every hit. Possibly also spit players put but haven't had the chance to test that. With Trauma you feel like a vet on weakspot vs nurgle. Except you don't need to aim for the weak spot.

[split oxide]

purg does the same

[near wyvern]

When you have 3 crushers 2 bulwakrs and 3 ragers all coming in after the elevator you realize how good trauma is.

[split oxide]

or .. hear me out .. a forcesword.

[near wyvern]

It's not about killing everything in the fastest amount of time. It's about being ridiculously safe.

You can't put 3 crushers on their arses with FS, as well as the Ragers and the bulwarks.

You can only do a couple and hope the rest won't clap you during that time

[split oxide]

3 ragers, retreat and take them out .. take a few hits.
3 hits per cruster next. easy-fat-whale-targets
bullwarks are trickier, timing the counterstrike while avoiding other bullwarks. (you need bait/fallguy/decoy)

[near wyvern]

Where do you retreat when you walk out of an elevator

[radiant slate]

ARE YOU KIDDING ME

RUN N GUN MY ASS

[near wyvern]

lmao

[clear heath]

wow t4 nexus

[near wyvern]

What would you have wanted instead? Warp Flurry which doesn't even work for purge at the moment?

[radiant slate]

THANK YOU HADRON

[split oxide]

"kneeel before mee" <slide> (some teammates may not make it - but you gotta take out the ragers quick)

[radiant slate]

Literally anything else?

[idle bay]

You alredy have the one perk that things neefs - Warp Nexus. Second perk usualy meaningless for Purgatus

[near wyvern]

At least it does something. But outside of speed running herecy for your zealot friend it's a bit useless yeah

[split oxide]

I saw this yesterday . (whent he bonuses added up to 380 only)

[supple skiff]

We’ll look at it this way, anything useful you might have gotten instead would likely have been nerfed next patch anyways

[radiant slate]

Anything is better than this shit

like anything

[idle bay]

Hmm i have a decent green Trauma Staff.
I'll hold on on upgrades for "few months" though

[wet jacinth]

U R SPEED

[radiant slate]

Hip fire for flame stuff is just for stagger

Why would I want to run around and hip fire>

?

[near wyvern]

Lmao. It's a known visual bug. Count the stats they add to 380. Hadron just can't do math.

[wet jacinth]

https://tenor.com/view/gotta-go-fast-fast-horse-funny-funny-horse-gif-19115423

[split oxide]

yeah my bad - it's still 380 .. it's been a long day..

[wet jacinth]

Hadron was too busy calling Pygex a Good Varlet

[idle bay]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1FmcSepfOs

[split oxide]

8hrs onthis game and still can't do penance

[near wyvern]

I wish.

[radiant slate]

Can wait for them finally add combine blessing 20 years later

[wet jacinth]

It's funny when she says it to a lil un. but feels almost wholesome when said to an ogryn

[near wyvern]

If Hadron called me a Good Varlet I would uninstall because you can't get any better in the game than that.

[split oxide]

game's more stable this week tho'

[radiant slate]

Me and my buddy crashed like 4 times yesterday in a single match

[near wyvern]

Try to limit frame rate to 60. Choppy AF but fixed all the crashing for me.

[split oxide]

Ogryns are psyker's best friend:

• big enough to block fire.
• my shots go through him.
• slow enough not run into next corridor and leave you behind.
• and calls us lil'uns.
• if he attracts attention, I can bathe his area in flames or turn everyone around him into statues.

[near wyvern]

Yeah I was just thinking the other day that void is so good, not because it would deal good damage to ranged mobs but because you can always return fire without your friendlies blocking the shots

Supression is underrated

[radiant slate]

WE never had problems before the patch

[slow karma]

ok I think I have the words to explain my disdain for Lights Out now

[split oxide]

I think only the bolter/plasma shoots through ogryn

[split oxide]

me too .. you first.

[slow karma]

Being forced to equip a weapon you've either chosen not to or haven't had the chance to invest into being serviceable in your kit just to be able to navigate the level, with the only alternative being committing memory to these level layouts is a bit too tall an ask for absolutely everyone in a game that randomly forces that situation on you arbitrarily

That is very specifically my problem with the mutator

[wanton cove]

Omg just ran into my first ever toxic ogryn

Boi t ook the game SERIOUS

Also whats with people r unning off on their own and then blaming the psyker for them wiping? lol

[split oxide]

true .. some weapons special is 'bash' and not 'flashlight'.
trauma. surge aren't good flashlights.

But I agree.. when Lights Out first came out .. and no one knew the map...
Imagine joining LATE .. and everyone is 20 seconds ahead of you anbd youre' lost.*** (dogfood)***

[clear heath]

I actually haven't seen many toxic people in this game

[wanton cove]

This is like my 2nd so it aint to bad

[slow karma]

Not IN game anyway

[wanton cove]

We were on the um

[supple skiff]

Legit thought he was talking about a plague ogyrn and now I’m sad

[wanton cove]

Supply the ship with special ammo mission

[leaden thunder]

bash is pretty shite on anything that isn't an ogryn weapon

[wanton cove]

And home boy ran across the map by himself and died. And then lost it over voice chat lol

Gold lol

[leaden thunder]

would be more then glad to give it up for more flashlights

[wanton cove]

I was using purg to be a discount flashlight

worked ok... lol

[clear heath]

I actually don't mind lights out on some maps. It's fun for me on maps that i've memorized well enough to know all the daemonhost locations

[leaden thunder]

as someone who doesn't play psyker that much I like lights out but I can 100% see psykers not liking it since it makes using staffs way harder

[split oxide]

I used Purg... for my teammates who had braced autoguns with bash

[glass badge]

Cool hood aquired last night.

[clear heath]

I play surge psyker so i still don't mind it that much. The weapon homes anyways
Imagine being ogryn tho
I don't remember any of their weapons having any light at all

[glass badge]

Now i can play classes that arent made of Paper Mache.

[leaden thunder]

luckily ogryn can just use a grenade launcher

[wanton cove]

Nice!

[leaden thunder]

don't super need to know where stuff is for that

[supple skiff]

Hate quick play with lights out. Always a dice roll and you won’t know until you load in or get lucky enough to get a pregame screen

[split oxide]

Surg.. you don't have to see anything.. just face in the approx direction and spam.

[glass badge]

Closest light an Ogryn gets is the red light from Rumbler nades.

[leaden thunder]

they fixed it bouncing to demon hosts right?

[glass badge]

I wouldnt trust it.

Ive been using Purgatus lately, with a 70-something damage, 79% burn and an 80% cloud radius.

Its been neato

[split oxide]

My Purg sux... I've only got Agrippas and Trauma in Melk and Shop RN :/

[leaden thunder]

at least agripina's are good, if you're using a gun

[split oxide]

I tried a gunker, didn't like it.

[leaden thunder]

so not super nice for psyker

[glass badge]

Melk's shop has been sucking for me lately.

[leaden thunder]

melk's shop will only have good stuff in it if you won't be able to get t he curreny needed to buy it

[split oxide]

if I want Vraks, Agrippas, Recons and Trauma
I've been on the same Surge and Purg for 2 months.

[slow karma]

I don't even pay attention to him

I don't even make an effort to finish the challenges. They're boring and I don't play this game exclusively enough

[leaden thunder]

at least he's not rude to psykers (I don't think) he's an ass to zealots and ogryns

[still hearth]

Speaking of, the LMB shot on most staffs doesn't seem to suppress much at all.

Is that just me, or is that just how it is?

[slow karma]

I haven't been able to notice

It's hard to see enemies scattering or anything for me unless there are a lot of them

[still hearth]

They don't seem to miss shots either so

Idk

[slow karma]

But then I so rarely use the primary fire of most staves too lol

Purge is the exception cuz it does way more work for me than the little speedy pellet shot

[split oxide]

primary fire has it's uses:
bolts useful on 'bridge' past elevator/ragtown (or 'ascender').

• surg : lockdown, bolt: detonate burster.
• trauma/void: (no idea)
• purg : highest stagger more than secondary
  seconday to melt hordes, primary to stagger 5 groups to GTFO or Forcesword..

[lethal plover]

if you are getting roasted by gunfire spam in their direction

the main downside is that if the gunners are too spread out in terms of angle you can't suppress them all so cover is still important. this is only a stop gap

if they are clumped up then it's much more effective

[clear heath]

for surge, it might also be the fastest way we can kill a mauler from a distance

[leaden thunder]

rapid fire

[clear heath]

ok 5 seconds to kill a mauler might not be great but it's the best we got for long range

[split oxide]

What difficulttu is that on?

[clear heath]

damnation

so your other choice is doing 3 brainbursts, which is probably slower

maybe 2 brain bursts and a few primaries would be faster?

[leaden thunder]

BB really needs to one shot human sized specials

[split oxide]

no no no . I mean.. to detonate poxbursters that are staggered

[slow karma]

Does it not?

[leaden thunder]

one shot human sized specials?

on higher difficutly no

[clear heath]

oh yeah i know what you mean.
i'm just adding that they're also useful for dpsing stuff far away like maulers

[slow karma]

Oh That's not much of a surprise

though I fully expected it to at least heavily stagger them if it didn't

[clear heath]

some people don't know how decent the dps can get on primary if you quell cancel

[slow karma]

Animation cancelling is usually pretty annoying in most games

I'd imagine it's much the same here given it's keybind reliant

[split oxide]

Brain Bursts are uneconomical at higher levels@
I'd only use it for snipers / poxbursters.. or if I'm under deep cover.

[clear heath]

tbh i still find quell canceling primary pretty annoying
i try to practice it in elevators to get more consistent at it

[leaden thunder]

if it's not dependent on like ping or required for the thing to function(like it's crap without doing it) then I am fine with animation canceling

[slow karma]

I would be if people didn't foist the onus of improvement on others if it exists at all

[leaden thunder]

fair

[slow karma]

I just don't bother unless it's easy to learn

and I'm not rebinding me reload button just for that

[manic needle]

It's usually pretty easy to do with macros

[slow karma]

Cuz that's not something I'm doing in the heat of combat with the current bind

Yeah which isn't something I'd like to get into the habit of relying on

[clear heath]

My binds are default, but yeah i can totally understand not wanting to bother

it feels really clunky

[slow karma]

They're so often against ToS in game's I'd rather just not do it at all lol

[clear heath]

I wonder what darktide's policy is on macros

[leaden thunder]

coop games are generally more lax on stuff like that afaik

[dreamy lynx]

do any of ya'll know if staff kills count as ranged kills for melk

[lethal plover]

fatshark allows macros just like in vermintide

[split oxide]

they're fine with it

[lethal plover]

they at least know RSI is a real thing

their games are notoriously heavy on the hands

[clear heath]

I think they do
Honestly i don't worry about those weeklies that much. The kills are counted teamwide so it doesn't take long to finish them even if you pay no attention to it

[dreamy lynx]

normally for me too, however i'm close to done with all of them except a ranged kills

and i own no guns lol

[frozen osprey]

I love macros 🥴

[lethal folio]

Trauma explosion might not, it isn't ranged damage. I'm not certain how the contract tracks.

Staff left click bolts are actually exceptional at suppressing, as the projectile is slow and hits suppress damage each frame.

[wet jacinth]

force bolts being on all staffs but purgatus is boring

[lethal folio]

I hope they can differentiate them like conflag staff had faster more innacurate bolts than fireball. Voidstrike can have rapid fire, Trauma gets controlled accurate shots, and Surge gets to be crit happy.

[forest coral]

make trauma explosions bigger

[dreamy lynx]

theres not enough trauma in my trauma

[ornate hamlet]

Yes

[austere estuary]

wee update just now?

[sleek yacht]

bis perks for purg?

[austere estuary]

crit chance

[upper galleon]

They should give surge staff a lightning strike ability or variant

Good old smiting

[fierce sinew]

nothing since the hotfix on the 26th

[dreamy lynx]

specific types do.

[proud hinge]

How worth is this lol

[west stream]

Big Iron

Big iron

Not sure the mobility is that necessary but looks like a good start for crit stacking blessings

if you get one

[manic needle]

At high peril your hand will shake while ADSing with it

[proud hinge]

I don't expect to be using peril at all

My melee is a god roll tactical axe lol

[manic needle]

No brain bust gun psyker is spicy I won't lie

[proud hinge]

Ended up maxing it

which perk should I rr?

probably elites right?

[vagrant cedar]

i mean

it would be beneficial to have more dmg vs them

[west stream]

hmmm

[leaden thunder]

just had to clutch in bloody malice diff

[manic needle]

Free rescues for the Penance

[leaden thunder]

managed to get one up before they died

[manic needle]

Should have farmed them lol

[west stream]

I forget, is it surge or purg that likes crit?

[manic needle]

Both

[west stream]

run and gun on upgrade

god damn I hate that blessing

[manic needle]

👍

[west stream]

well, guess with purg it can be situationally useful to run and stagger at same time

but eugh

[leaden thunder]

I have had very mixed feelings about t he force sword is a slaughter one worth it?

[manic needle]

Slaughterer is probably the best blessing right now

So if that doesnt make it worth it then nothing will

[leaden thunder]

fair, the force sword just didn't feel good last time I used it

[west stream]

biggest thing about it is the free dodge and special heavy being funny way to kill maulers and such

as a general rule I am a duel sword stan tho

[leaden thunder]

been liking axes since most staves are aoe

especcially as a back up to purge staff

[long wharf]

well, at least it's the blessing I've been looking for...

[languid tusk]

that damage roll though...

[long wharf]

typical Sour Milk trolling

[nocturne badge]

i got limbsplitter on it D:

[fresh reef]

is chainsword worth running? With stat bars like these I'm definitely considering it

[long wharf]

it's fun to swing around, at least

[cyan notch]

its decent but its special doesnt consistently stun elites and its push attack isnt the greatest for spam but it does good horde damage

[long wharf]

but definitely not "optimal"

use it if you like it

[cyan notch]

if you have savage sweep or devastating strike like u have there it can be pretty good at horde

[still hearth]

Devastating Strike was ghost nerfed, though it doesn't matter much with a T1

[fresh reef]

so from what I gather, it's a worse force sword then?

[cyan notch]

for single target yea

but chainsword way better in hordes

[long wharf]

chainsword has good cleaving moveset

[cloud heron]

You're not considering the opportunity cost of getting to do cool magic shit with the force sword

[fresh reef]

you ever spend a bit longer than usual in the loading screen and immediately wonder "okay which of you mfs doesn't have an ssd?"

[long wharf]

only constantly

[cloud heron]

sometimes the morningstar has me second guessing myself

[long wharf]

I swear loading into the MourningStar takes longer than it did prior the patch a few days ago

[restive slate]

I just tried the Trauma Staff... It's actually fun now??

[long wharf]

I still hate the targetting

[restive slate]

It's not too bad, perhaps I'm used to Sienna's staffs from VT2

[oblique hemlock]

I don't like baby chainsword but those stats are tasty

[wanton cove]

It does feel longer for me to. But I need to upgrade a bit on my PC sooo xD My experience is vastly different to most

[oblique hemlock]

It does take longer

[olive ember]

One of the main reasons I stopped playing tbh

Recently played the division 2 of all things and even crashing twice I can start playing faster than I could in darktide

Darktide is like… 30 minutes of loading to character screen + 15 minutes of loading to get character in game + 10 minutes of waiting to get a queue with actual players

[long wharf]

30 minutes? Are you playing on an old VAX server off of tape?

[vagrant cedar]

congrats

in July you'll be able to convert it with crafting

[olive ember]

No but It takes fucking ages to load in

[olive ember]

July? That’s generous

[vagrant cedar]

well, it has to come out wayyyyy before Diablo 4

tho seeing how numbers go down every month

you know

no one wants to buy cosmetics for a dead game now, do they

[olive ember]

I mean

thats why they are holding cosmetics

until a later point when the game is working

[untold smelt]

can you still deflect bullets while picking someone up with the force sword blessing attached?

[spice veldt]

no

[untold smelt]

did they change it?

[floral solstice]

lfg apac is as dead as my dreams

or is it just the game in general kek

[round robin]

anyone got some tips on doing the uh, kill 3 elites with a self detonate achievment

[cyan portal]

Could be worse, on apac gamepass you can barely get even a malice qw.

[spice veldt]

Yup. They're considering the balance of being able to block ranged while reviving apparently.

[floral solstice]

commsplex mid event spawns a bunch of gunners/shotgunners

[round robin]

thanks

[floral solstice]

or you can just get lucky with spawns on the first area of maps

[clear coyote]

Is damage stat that important on purgatus?

[floral solstice]

burn and cloud radius the most important ones

[clear coyote]

I have 80% for both but dmg is 40%

[floral solstice]

should be fine

[clear coyote]

Dunno if I should consecrate it

[near wyvern]

Trauma and void LMB is a quick way to stagger a rager. On Trauma you also use it against ranged but other than that it's a bit redundant.

[white hemlock]

IDk if I'll ever use this, but the base level was pretty high, so I couldn't resist

[regal musk]

PAIN T_T

[frozen osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/crying-emoji-dies-gif-21956120

[covert ermine]

This one is more or less achievable in random. The other one about monstrosities is much more boring

[lethal plover]

the funny thing is the cosmetics dept probably have nothing with the debugging people
it just reminds players of their rage to see cosmetics

[olive ember]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

I mean depends on how you look at it

some people see that as "oh they are holding cosmetics to focus on improving the game"

and some people see it as "well most of the damn cosmetics have already been datamined, so them "holding" the cosmetics is to make more money since less people will buy cosmetics for a half-finished game"

I'm personally the latter tbh

but this again all ties back to the FOMO bs they have implemented

[covert ermine]

People won't tell you but those cosmetics are from future season pass 🤭🤭

[lethal plover]

memed peril block too hard

can't have fun

[compact cargo]

cant have psyker be good at something

[lethal plover]

balance team on mission to kill the game

[safe pendant]

wonder what's with tonight in pugs. finding shitters in malice. supposed to be chill runs

[floral solstice]

i mean it's malice

what did you expect

[regal musk]

Them disabling further cosmetics is effectively them disabling their monetization.
Anyone who would have bought whats in the shop, have most likely done so already.
New players are unlikely to do so given the state of the game.
They cant turn off the shop entirely, as then you'd have a FOMO situation where the skins are "going away" for an indefinite time.
The only option they had with it was the one they took. Cant even really just make them all free, because those that paid get shafted.

[fierce sinew]

malice is where shitters primarily live, the chillness of the runs comes from your ability to clear even if they afk

[north cradle]

I think I just heard a female Seer Psyker for the first time

I don't know if Loner Psyker and Savant Psyker are this way, but Seer Psyker's lines seem to be almost identical for male and female

[safe pendant]

aaaand I crashed in a heresy low intensity. Came back into the game and two of the three were dead with the third dying to a sniper shortly after we clear a horde. can't get a win

[upbeat schooner]

Fuck that’s rough

[olive ember]

yeah it is them disabling their monetization... so they can earn more once the game is in a better state

since its FOMO so why cycle through who knows how many skin sets when no one will buy

when they can reintroduce it once poeple start playing again since the game got updated

[regal musk]

Sure, But in the meantime, they are basically working for free. Thats the important bit. They have to fix the game. They cant just say the right things and then faff about until people forget.
One can hope they go back to the VT2 store, where everything is available all at once, thus nullifying fomo concerns.
But that remains to be seen.

[olive ember]

I mean i guess they are "working for free" except that disregards the context

which is they released a half-finished product calling it "full release", and are now trying to implement features they promised would be done a month ago, gave us a corporate PR statement of an "open letter" and to wait a few more months for them to get their shit together ig

but yeah

If the game gets good then great

[regal musk]

Unliike other games that get released half baked, theyve opted to disable monetization until its fixed.
Most other studios would have just kept pushing cosmetics lol

[cyan notch]

its not disabled at all

[devout halo]

I have a question, what kind of staffs do you earn as Psyker? So far I saw lightning bolt and the aoe thing. Do they have names and what info I could look into?

[olive ember]

voidstrike, purge, surge, and trauma

trauma = big ground AOE, the first one you get iirc
surge = chain lightning
purge = flamethrower
voidstrike = bowling ball

not sure how good trauma is nowadays but before the buffs it got it was dogshit, heard its decent now? but with certain conditions (that being you know how to use it without knocking enemies behind your teammates)

and the "meta" revolved around either surge staff or purge staff

but all staffs are viable

[devout halo]

Surge is the one that stuns enemies and purge does good on cc?

[olive ember]

surge is the lightning one and its good because it hard CC's anything, this means mutants, dogs, bursters, etc. are less of a threat, as well as literally anything that likes to get close such as bulwarks, crushers, ragers, maulers

purge is the flamethrower one, and its good for deleting hordes, and is used with Ascendant Blaze builds

basically which flavor of CC do you like

surge staff provides more single target CC on priority targets, purge staff is more horde CC and gives the team room since they aren't getting swarmed

voidstrike if you want general purpose and to kill shit, trauma fills the same roll but less damage more knockdown (used to be shit since you could only do two full charges, but now trauma can do 4 without quelling)

specifically, trauma provides more CC than voidstrike because similar to the surge staff, it's explosion can basically knock down/open up anything (bulwarks, crushers, dogs, bursters, etc.) iirc, the only exception being mutants, at which point the surge staff still out

but the trade off being that its not as effective as surge staff, since you can basically spam surge for like 10-20% peril to stunlock while trauma I believe is slower, harder to aim, and less peril efficient

[devout halo]

Ah

[olive ember]

basically try them all and see which one fits tbh since they are all viable, even trauma pre-buff

but just be sure you know what each one is supposed to do

aka don't bring a surge staff expecting it to delete hordes when its "only" meant to CC up to 5 enemies

[regal musk]

Just dont force yourself to run a staff you dont enjoy cos people tell you iuts better.
Play with what feels good and you'll still win 😛

[olive ember]

p much honestly

I mean

you have people using gun psyker in damnation

kek

[regal musk]

You mean INferior Veteren? 😛

[river sand]

thats not true anymore. trauma is very peril efficient now and can deal good dmg

[olive ember]

pretty sure surge is more consistent with stunning

but idk haven't tested spamming it

[safe crystal]

Small tip for trauma, dont aim at the center of a horde you're trying to delete. It does damage at the center of the explosion, but just knocks people over at the edges. Aim at the front, back or the sides of a horde

[olive ember]

unless you get shitty teammates

then I def aim at the center

make them suffer as they made you suffer

[river sand]

with the stunning , yes. but with trauma you get the ability to deal with hordes and genereally unarmoured stuff for a bit less stagger than surge

[safe crystal]

Man, i would be doing that every game

[olive ember]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-megumin-konosuba-sharing-feelings-cute-gif-13643703

[river sand]

i think surge and trauma are the most viable options atm

[safe crystal]

Purge exists, it is at least as good as the others

[devout halo]

I'll keep it in mind, Thank you all!

[river sand]

but purg is just zealot flamer that is worse in every aspect except it dont need ammo

[olive ember]

dunno how good voidstrike is nowadays, cuz ik a few months ago the consensus was "surge and voidstrike compete 1st, purge a close third, we don't talk about trauma" and then it slowly became surge + purge meta, voidstrike distant third, we dont talk about trauma

and then peopel started talking about trauma

and then trauma got buffed

and yeah idk what its like now

[devout halo]

Any builds I should know about til later?

[olive ember]

but pretty much any staff is viable, if you are a meta chaser surge and purge are safe, trauma can't vouch for since I haven't played game since december

[forest coral]

Well

[olive ember]

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[river sand]

void is fine, but void kinda suck when there are shooters. cause they tend to spread in an arc around you, so you only kill one at a time

[safe crystal]

Speaking of purgatus, cant wait to roll run n gun on this

[forest coral]

if u use trauma, youll need someone competent to deal with shooters in high difficulty

[olive ember]

Made this 12/7 as you can see I don't have a trauma build

tho tbh I would probably use something similar to voidstrike

[still hearth]

Hey guys. Trauma is good

Voidstrike is bad.

Thank me later.

[safe crystal]

Trauma is decent, not denying that. Could be better though, the explosion radius that deals damage should be larger

[still hearth]

Actually using trauma in Damnation it was nice to learn that the LMB spam actually suppresses like a truck.

[devout halo]

Thank you!

[north cradle]

The Stagger is unrivaled

[river sand]

its better vs shooters than void, cause you can at least hit 2-3 at the same time, and half charge kills dreg shooters, void need same charge for 1 and surge completly lacks against dregs

[olive ember]

don't worry if you pray hard enough you might also get focused channeling

[forest coral]

that would come down to map area/ cover too

[olive ember]

tbf if you can hit 2-3 at the same time you either have to be very close to them or you gotta full charge, at which point a voidstrike could prob shoot 2-3 times

[still hearth]

Y'all using the Charged attacks to kill ranged enemies?

Smh my head.

[olive ember]

also hitting and killing are different things, on higher difficulties i feel liek you would just knock em around and make it harder for your vet to kill

which is great

[river sand]

why is that? trauma charges faster than void and shooters are nearly never lined up for void

[still hearth]

Any staff that can troll Vets = good

[olive ember]

i remember it taking a bit to full charge

[still hearth]

Shooters also rarely clump together for Trauma to kill them.

[olive ember]

back when i used it in checks date the closed beta test

but tbh I run surge staff back when I played

so all i did was spam CC while my vet shot them

[river sand]

not completly clumped, but enough to hit at least 2-3 (cause they spread in an arc around you)

[still hearth]

Ackshually, shooters are never clumped enough for you reasonably hit more than 1.

You can't argue because I play Damnation

GG no re.

[cyan notch]

they are if you get the drop on a patrol

[still hearth]

No see

I said you can't argue.

Either way each staff has ideal conditions where its better than the other.

[river sand]

those patrols, arent priority but incredibly satisfying with trauma cause you can oneshot the whole group. void always needs more shots

[still hearth]

Void has a very clean horde-clear when things are lined up.

It also still costs like no peril to spam void (?)

[regal musk]

Works best in smart groups who understand how to position to funnel hordes.
unlike the randos i get, who scatter in all directions lol

[river sand]

void and trauma is pretty much the same cost atm

[safe crystal]

Void being super loud when hitting a horde is why i run it sometimes

[river sand]

another advantage of trauma > void is horde with mixed in maulers/scab ragers. void gets stopped by them, trauma is still full dmg

but both have their place

[still hearth]

I'd say Void is definitely the weakest staff overall atm.

[river sand]

as long as you dont run around animation cancel void

[floral solstice]

voidstrike griefs my evisc's savage sweep sometimes

[cyan notch]

lAwL yOu GeT hIT bY sNiPeRs? ThEy HaVe A rEd LaZeR fOr 3s A cAlL oF dUtY pRo LiKe Me wOuLd NeVeR gEt shot

[still hearth]

Even if you do I'd say its still the worst out of all the staffs.

[river sand]

had a guy on damnation the other day, purely animation cancel void and refused to do anything else. super stupid

[still hearth]

[olive ember]

but machine gun go brr

[river sand]

takes like 3 uncharged for a poxwalker, and pierces only 1-2

[still hearth]

Today Blood learned

Don't trust the game

[olive ember]

typical sniper moment

[still hearth]

I feel like the machinegun Void is a trap