psyker-class

[wet jacinth]

Dueling swords have mobility

So nah

I actually want to find a Solid Devil's claw eventually

[cold mesa]

not gonna lie i don't see what a non-zealot does with devil's claw

and it's one of zealots worst weapons despite having synergies

[wet jacinth]

[warped perch]

Dueling swords make psykers look like a pompous 18th century noble

[wet jacinth]

Devil's claw imo isnt Bad but neither is it Great like the other weapons you have access to

[floral solstice]

i've been clearing high intensity t5 on psyker with mk 4 claw sword before i found a passable antax 5

decent horde clear, decent overheads

definitely not up top but viable enough for damnation without gimping yourself a lot

[wet jacinth]

But did u parry

[grim magnet]

is the purgatus force staff any good?

[floral solstice]

yes it is

[grim magnet]

better than voidstrike?

[floral solstice]

depends on how how you define "better", both of them have different uses

but i guess most people here will just say yes

[quasi ivy]

hey guys, i am new to psyker, on lvl 5 which penance is best? 🤔

[floral solstice]

you mean feat?

[quasi ivy]

yeah feat

[floral solstice]

i'd just go quietitude

later on you can change it depending on ur build/staff

[ornate hamlet]

Voidstrike is great if you like using a slower XII with some cool explosions.

https://tenor.com/view/anime-laugh-gif-14348867

[cold mesa]

i just like bowling

[ornate hamlet]

Legit.

[cold mesa]

that's why i use voidstrike 😛

[ornate hamlet]

I wish you could do underhand shots

That would make me play it

[cold mesa]

that just reminds me about how trash the system for underhanding grenades is and makes me annoyed

[ornate hamlet]

Its fine for Zealot dropping stuff on the floor

But yeah its really awful if you want to actually throw things

[steel egret]

I think my firerate is arond XII or faster

[ornate hamlet]

I guess you can fire that way but I think it does less damage then.

[steel egret]

It does

[ornate hamlet]

Can't get anything on Psyker

[steel egret]

But its faster and also triggers the peril quell

[steel egret]

So Im ok with it

Albeit peril quell cant keep up with firerate which is sad

But would be broken if it did

[ornate hamlet]

I found it pretty awkward to use too but that could just be me.

[steel egret]

Ive used it so much that its second nature

[ornate hamlet]

How many shots does it take to kill a trapper?

[steel egret]

I dont use void any other way, I dl charge on bulwarks

[warped perch]

I was in a game yesterday where someone playing psyker said it was an ass class. Went down like 6 times

Maybe it's not the class that's ass

[steel egret]

Depends difficulty but I do get them around time they fire maybe bit too much

[ornate hamlet]

I'm unsure if the damage calc uses base damage or fully charged

But it says on an ideal one its 3 WS shots

These damage values aren't bad.

Compared to XII

Though I I'm unsure if those are full charge damages, and Lasgun also does more damage at range so who knows what these values actually mean.

[steel egret]

I mean

Lowest charged is like 90-120

[grim magnet]

why would i even play psyker if i'm just going to use a lasgun

[ornate hamlet]

So definitely full charge.

[ornate hamlet]

Because the staffs are too niche for me.

[grim magnet]

why not just play veteran then?

[ornate hamlet]

I need to try Voidstrike again

[steel egret]

Laspistol

[ornate hamlet]

Because I prefer Psyker feats, BB and base stats.

Veteran is great until there's a shit show

Then you throw 4 grenades and hope someone else carries you

[steel egret]

Eh call of duty man

[grim magnet]

tbh, psyker should only get laspistols and autopistols as ranged weapons, but the staffs should be buffed

[cyan notch]

john shootgun

[ornate hamlet]

I'm about to run Shotgun Veteran and just play DOOM soundtracks in the background

[grim magnet]

what makes psyker better in that situation though?

[ornate hamlet]

[ornate hamlet]

Better stamina regen and delay. Better dodges. A "get off my lawn" active.

[grim magnet]

bb is often slower at killing vpecials than just shooting them

[steel egret]

Slowly BB poxwalker.

Or blow up

[grim magnet]

and the veteran has (imo) the best active in the game

[steel egret]

My bad, veteran can also blow up

[ornate hamlet]

Yeah, outside of shitshows

[grim magnet]

you get wallhacks, higher damage, and you keep it as long as you keep killing shooters

[steel egret]

And its more damage.

[ornate hamlet]

Veterans active is a preemptive tool

If you're already in a bad spot

It usually sucks

[grim magnet]

idk, if there's like 15 shooters, i would rather be veteran

[ornate hamlet]

That's not a shitshow

[grim magnet]

and if there's a horde, i'd also probably rather be veteran

because you can spam grenades

and pull out the force sword

[ornate hamlet]

I'd never want to be a Veteran alone

[steel egret]

Veteran active is 75% damage reduction and what.. 50% damage increase self renewing when you kill specials?

[grim magnet]

oh yeah ofc

[ornate hamlet]

Psyker, Ogryn and Zealot can all handle themselves.

Veteran just dies.

[steel egret]

How

[ornate hamlet]

Wdym how

[grim magnet]

the renewing is a level 30 feat, damage reduction is also a feat

[grim magnet]

veteran has slower stamina regen

[ornate hamlet]

Vet has insanely bad stamina management

[grim magnet]

veteran does have 200 toughness though

[steel egret]

[ornate hamlet]

And use a weapon with 2 dodges

[wet belfry]

Pretty sure veteran could survive with the right equipment

[ornate hamlet]

Yeah they could

But then you're using worse weapons for most of the game.

[wet belfry]

But they usally gimp themselves out of those equipment

[steel egret]

Stamina regen curios and one stam on weapon and curio

Class fixed

[ornate hamlet]

That seems to be the meta tbf

[steel egret]

Only 300 toughness to go.

[wet belfry]

Like power sword is a terrible weapon for movement

[steel egret]

[grim magnet]

besides, veteran might not be good at clearing hordes, but thats the job of the zealot, ogryn, and psyker if the psyker has a staff

[ornate hamlet]

Yeah it is

But its insanely good at clearing hordes

[grim magnet]

veteran can do everything else though, killing shooters, killing specials, fighting monstrosities

[ornate hamlet]

Veteran is the best when its "Keeping the ship together"

[steel egret]

I think less of how veterans play not the way the class works

[grim magnet]

and imo 4 veterans is far stronger than 4 of any other class

[regal musk]

If only the rando vets would actually shoot the shooters instead of random melee mobs that are already being slapped around by the Ogryn and Psyker XD

[ornate hamlet]

Ehh.

Idk about that.

[steel egret]

Empty bolter on poxwalkers, cry for ammo

[ornate hamlet]

4 Vets step on each other toes a lot

[steel egret]

Repeat

[ornate hamlet]

You can't keep your ult up as much

[idle bay]

Cleaver/GG or Shovel/GG Ogryn is quite universal as well - good vs everything. Not that fast on clearing shooter though.

[steel egret]

Lasgun to crusher, complain to ogryn for taking ammo

[grim magnet]

in my experience, the best team comp is 3 veterans and 1 ogryn

or maybe 2 ogryns and 2 veterans, both have worked really well for me

[ornate hamlet]

3 Ogryns + 1 Vet is Ogryn meta

And Vet likes that too

[regal musk]

Watched a Vet today empty his Lasgun into a Crusher 50+ meters away from the squad that i was in the process of BBing.
Rando vets are not very clever.

[ornate hamlet]

As long as the Ogryns aren't in the way (or they use an actual close range gun)

[idle bay]

Vet = Infinite GG or Rumbler ammo for Ogryns

[steel egret]

Are you the guy who posted video of that yesterday?

[regal musk]

I dont p[ost videos .. So no

[ornate hamlet]

If you run Camo + XII with several Ogryns in your team you're basically trolling.

[steel egret]

[idle bay]

Ogryns don't even need to grab ammo at all with a vet in the team

[steel egret]

Oh right

[wet belfry]

Pretty sure mk12 kantarel sucks in clutch situations to

[steel egret]

3 camo expert veteran run

[wet belfry]

You want a faster fire weapon

[regal musk]

That im not the only one whos ees it happen just reinforces my opinion that rando vets are clueless lool

[idle bay]

Unless its twin stubber ogryn - that thing eats ammo like orgyn eats rations

[ornate hamlet]

That's true.

[grim magnet]

thats not the point of it, its for killing shooters easily and quickly

[ornate hamlet]

Though XII can kill ragers before they get to you

XII kills everything easily and quickly.

Except carapace.

[steel egret]

Clueless wandering combined with " when do they add sniper rifle? "

[grim magnet]

it performs better than any other lasgun except for shooting hordes, which isn't the point of it anyway

[sacred field]

helbore mki is better than xii

[wet belfry]

I belive mk 7 angripna is the best weapon for clutching

[idle bay]

Vets should use power-dildo for carapace

[grim magnet]

though honestly i've found myself prefering the helbore to the xii

even though the sights are atrocious

[ornate hamlet]

Agrip Brauto is just nutty at killing things in close-mid range

[steel egret]

Yeah I can believe that, but I dont believe most vets can pull it off.

[sacred field]

ye you need to be able to aim haha

[cyan notch]

does hellbore still do insane damage to crushers?

[ornate hamlet]

Except

That aiming isn't a thing

Unless you constantly ult

[regal musk]

Dont need sights. They have a nice big glowing blue head to target. Why would they need a scope?

[grim magnet]

even the fastest firing recon lasgun can be quite good, and it even allows you to do some crowd control

[ornate hamlet]

Because suppression is a bitch

[grim magnet]

just kill them first 8head

[steel egret]

Same as plasma gun vets who fire once a minute

[ornate hamlet]

Damn

I forgot

[grim magnet]

unironically supression hasn't ever been much of an issue for me

if it gets really bad i just sprint and slide to another bit of cover

[sacred field]

gotta love heresy pubs when you see both the vets have a plasma gun and a revolver

[ornate hamlet]

I don't run guns where it matters

[cyan notch]

i run and gun

[grim magnet]

dumb and dumber

[steel egret]

Id fuck off at that point.

I dont have time.

[sacred field]

and they're both running camo expert so you get shot all match lol

[cyan notch]

better than shotgun

[grim magnet]

thats why i dont take camo expert as vet lol

[ornate hamlet]

Camo is literally a detriment to the team

[grim magnet]

i have 75% damage resistance, why would i care if i'm being shot?

[steel egret]

But its the best one duuuhhh

[ornate hamlet]

75% DR, 25% + 25% over time recovery

THAT STACKS

[steel egret]

Not getting shot? OP

[ornate hamlet]

Vet is cracked

[grim magnet]

i think i take the grenade perk over it

[cyan notch]

plus 5000% coherency regen

[grim magnet]

i think they're in the same column? i'm not sure

[ornate hamlet]

No

Its DR, Camo

And uh

Stamina on dodgeing shots

I think

[grim magnet]

ohhh yeah, then damage resist all the way ofc

[ornate hamlet]

Especially since

Its 75% Toughness DR

Full stop

[steel egret]

[ornate hamlet]

It says Ranged

But there's no Ranged Toughness DR in the game

https://tenor.com/view/anime-laugh-gif-14348867

[grim magnet]

veteran having such high toughness just seems really weird tbh

shouldn't ogryn be the one with 200 toughness?

[ornate hamlet]

Well Ogryn have 132 base because of DR.

[grim magnet]

on heresy+ ogryn seems to just get bullied by shooters

[ornate hamlet]

And 320 HP

Toughness is meant more against ranged threats as far as I can tell.

[steel egret]

Yeah but if they sprint.. oh wait camo expert so they dont get shot.
But they have more toughness to survive getting shot..

[ornate hamlet]

But yeah its weird.

[steel egret]

[grim magnet]

i think if vet was lowered to 100 toughness it would help balance it a bit

[ornate hamlet]

Camo shouldn't be a thing

[steel egret]

The outrage that would cause

[ornate hamlet]

"waah I can't play game without being OP"

[grim magnet]

most people seem to agree that vet is busted

[ornate hamlet]

My point and click game

[grim magnet]

he should be very powerful at killing shooters and high value targets at range, but fragile

and take that force sword away from him

[ornate hamlet]

Veteran is a cannon
Psyker is glass

[steel egret]

Yeah but

[ornate hamlet]

Seems fair

[steel egret]

How would he do psyker penances without the sword?

Explain me that good sir

[frigid marten]

well and the veterano have 200 with 75%+ when matter

[steel egret]

Or if they removed veteran being able to do going out with a bang

I think only thing that it misses is vet being able to put the penance clothes on

That would make my day.

[placid sorrel]

we are demoman broken glass bottle

https://tenor.com/view/demoman-tf2-stblackst-gif-25702555

[ornate hamlet]

psyker's job is to mark enemy and make their head glow so that vet can shoot it

assigning mark enemy to left mouse is so good on psyker btw

[ornate hamlet]

The mini-game is to BB fast enough that when they kill it you still get a stack

[wet belfry]

The Psyker lightbulb class.

[grim magnet]

i kind of wish that you didn't lose all your BB at once

like if you have 4 stacks

[ornate hamlet]

the thing is, as a purg staff user, i'm always the one marking everything

[grim magnet]

and you dont BB someone for too long

you should go down to 3 stacks, not lose it all

[ornate hamlet]

there's a cluster of stuff coming at me? i'm spamming left mouse even if i'm already channeling my flames (because this marks any specialists or elites inside the stuff i'm burning for my teammates to target)

it's probably annoying when my mark keeps changing between different enemies but i could give a shit, i want them to kill it with me 😄

this helps vet immensly

and if you're using surge it's essentially the same tactic, you can spam CC things while marking them for your allies to kill

automatically since it's bound to the same button, left mouse

this helps vets, they don't just left mouse spam to see if it targets anything for them that they can't make out among the hoard, or they'd run out of ammo, which isn't a concern for us

even if they bind left mouse to mark enemy, they aren't spamming ranged attacks at every enemy they see like we are

surge staff isn't just CCing groups of ranged enemies + specialists and elites for party to kill, they can also mark them at the same time conveniently

without any extra effort, just by binding it to left mouse

same with any staff really

this helps teammates identify enemies and land shots with their limited ammo

[wet jacinth]

That's a lot of text from 1 person

[ornate hamlet]

nobody else typing shrug and i type fast

[cold mesa]

the thing you are flaming is not what vets should be prioritising

[wet jacinth]

Idk if I even wanna read all of it

[ornate hamlet]

sometimes it is, it depends

[cold mesa]

it almost always isn't

[ornate hamlet]

i bet you don't even mark enemies

[cold mesa]

i very much do, i mark them if they are something i can't deal with efficiently

[ornate hamlet]

what can't you deal with?

[wet jacinth]

I'm assuming it's about Vets marking enemies

[cold mesa]

if i'm on my zealot with a BRauto if there's anything outside my effective range i will mark it

or if there's something more pressing

[ornate hamlet]

if you bind mark enemy to left mouse you will often discover enemies in a hoard you were using purg staff on that you wouldn't have noticed nearly as quickly

like ragers and stuff

which gives you a heads up to use left mouse for CC on them

[cold mesa]

and i need something else dead too (like a bomber) i'll mark it then go back to killing what i need to kill right now

but also, getting spammed with marks whenever someone is dealing with more than 1 markable enemy is incredibly annoying

and that's just one person

[ornate hamlet]

i blow up barrels to make people fall to their death too btw

[cold mesa]

i understand spamming marks into your flame spread, that's fine

[frigid marten]

let me guess: they watched some stupid video that told them to put the mark keybind on left click.

[cold mesa]

but binding it to left click so you spam marking the whole mission? i WILL call a vote kick

[ornate hamlet]

i use left click for mark

it's worth doing

especially with purg

the more people mark enemies the better

[frigid marten]

you can only mark one at time.

[ornate hamlet]

you can have more than one marked if your teammates are marking

the issue is, most ppl don't mark shit

good players are constantly marking

[wet jacinth]

Left click marking is just more convenient

[cold mesa]

i agree, but if you bind it to left click you can't actually point your allies to shit that needs to die but you can't deal with right now which is like, the entire point of marking shit

[wet jacinth]

The only time I despise it is if your being pushed by like 2 or more specials the tag keeps switching

[ornate hamlet]

there's audio for every specialist dude, you're acting like you have to mark specialists for players to know they are there

[wet jacinth]

That's not true and just a player preference

[cold mesa]

there's a sniper or bomber on the other side of your purgatus when there's ragers coming into melee? well you can't keep it marked

[ornate hamlet]

i can take care of a marks with BB from any range while dodge timing the ragers properly till BB finishes, then easily deal with ragers with purg staff since you can keep them 100% cc'd with it

[cold mesa]

higher difficulties have common elite mobs so that's like... 1/3rd of the damn mission

[ornate hamlet]

in the situation you just described, i actually don't need help

BB the marks while dodge timing the ragers, left mouse purg, switch to axe heavy attack, left mouse purg, switch to axe heavy attack, ezpz lemon squeezy

i don't have problem dodging mutant while doing this either

[frigid marten]

it's about priority target: left click mark can't do that.

[cold mesa]

i was implying there was a horde as well (that's why you're purgatus flaming in the first place)

[ornate hamlet]

false, i left mouse purg ragers because it's cc

but ok

if there's horde i would ignore the sniper till i killed horde and ragers, using a wall or object to ensure i don't get sniped while doing so

and even if i'm in the open, you can time dodge sniper fire as well, it's not ez tho

[cold mesa]

sure, but single left click spurts aren't gonna block people's view of a sniper

[ornate hamlet]

when a sniper is around, everyone knows anyway

there's literally a laser beam everyone can see

[cold mesa]

sure, but it's a lot easier to mark it when you're the one it's aiming at

perspective and all

[ornate hamlet]

if i'm going to aim at it, it's because i'm killing it myself, just saying

if you can mark it you can bb it

[neat summit]

I’ve been 360 no scoped too many times by snipers. They die as fast as they appear now

[frigid marten]

the sniper laser tracer tend to bug out in a lot of places.

in particular stairs.

[ornate hamlet]

i always see the beam, the problem is, they can just snipe right through walls on some maps

[cold mesa]

that is kinda my point, you're not aiming at it, you're not gonna mark it (and even if you did the mark would come right off as you aimed back towards the horde with elites mixed in), if you're the one it's aiming at then it's harder for your allies to mark it and thus shoot it through your flame

[ornate hamlet]

my point is, if you are using left mouse mark, you will mark it before you even knew it was there

making it easier for everyone

often before you even noticed a laser

[cold mesa]

except when there's elites

in the horde you're flaming

[ornate hamlet]

in which case you never would have seen it

[cold mesa]

which is pretty common

[ornate hamlet]

setting mark to left mouse enables you to identify elites and specialists often before you ever would have noticed they were there, is the point i was making

and of course it helps your team see them too

it's completely worth doing, and if you don't like it you could always change it

it's preference

[frigid marten]

what if you have to tag something while blocking?

[ornate hamlet]

i literally never block

blocking is for weaklings

i am always killing

maneuverability is the name of the game, knowing where to move to at all times, knowing how to dodge time everything, even keeping track of your dodge combo so that you don't jump instead

some psyker players need to learn how to melee better imo

actually, most of them

blocking is a crutch, go play shield ogryn

[grim magnet]

you guys dont have it set to middle mouse?

[ornate hamlet]

Just have a macro that pings every 2-5s

[maiden wolf]

Wake up babe, new copypasta just dropped.

[ornate hamlet]

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i am awways kiwwing
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bwocking iws a cwutch, gow pway shiewd ogwyn

I put it in uwu speak so that you can understand it

[supple skiff]

im glad its back for those that like it

but fuck light out

gotta run something other than void

[ornate hamlet]

i don't mind it, i'm a purg staff user anyway, can't see shit even when the lights are on

4x Purge

Be the light in the dark

[supple skiff]

not a purge user, but this any decent?

https://prnt.sc/hZCF-KIwTm0z

[ornate hamlet]

Garbage. Needs at least 80 in every stat.

https://tenor.com/view/anime-laugh-gif-14348867

[ornate hamlet]

377 is a very high roll yes, and the stats are excellent

too bad we can't trade items

i'd trade something for it

Warp Nexus T1 is sad roll

But the base is hot

[boreal cave]

maybe we can upgrade "next week"

[ornate hamlet]

still my best, and it's not quite as good as that one can be potentially

[supple skiff]

next week is old news, next few months is where its at

whats the purge's dump stat\

[ornate hamlet]

It has 69 in it

That's the peak staff

[supple skiff]

think I remember it being dmg but idk

[ornate hamlet]

warp resist lol

[supple skiff]

oh lmao

[ornate hamlet]

honestly

Isn't it Quell Speed

it really doesn't generate that much warp even with low warp resist

you can just spam it

it's not nearly as much peril generation as other staves

[uneven drift]

dmg.

[ornate hamlet]

and yes, burn is far more important than damage, but having high damage stat is helpful when not using charge attacks (for cc)

DMG does a bit but Cloud Radius + Burn > All

[supple skiff]

and as far as usage goes, does rmb without much charge do anything worth noting or should I be either charging that to full or using lmb?1

[ornate hamlet]

basically, you want 80% ish on everything except warp resist imo

[ornate hamlet]

you never need to charge it fully

it's kinda pointless to actually

alternate between using left mouse when you want to stagger things, with right+left using without letting it charge much at all

and learn to be quick alternating between melee
left mouse as you run up to interrupt ranged enemies as you approach, smack em with axe as soon as you reach them

essentially the same with with most specialist and elites

don't need to charge it unless you want to spray flames on a hoard

and even then , you never need to charge it fully

[supple skiff]

think im retiring the fs until I get one with better rolls or they un fuck deflector

lol

https://prnt.sc/DUBTdsDCrppX

there we go

wish we could trade

[ornate hamlet]

i don't like MK V, it's too slow

[supple skiff]

I know someone would want this

[ornate hamlet]

also, your dodge distance probably sux with that axe

does it still give 5 dodges with that low mobility?

[supple skiff]

good question

[ornate hamlet]

here's a similar one but not crap mobility

[supple skiff]

no

have 4

[ornate hamlet]

i'm curious if that one still gives 5 dodges, and what it's dodge distance is

[supple skiff]

min is 3

[ornate hamlet]

4 is still ok i guess..

[supple skiff]

so evidently 36% isnt the floor lol

[ornate hamlet]

mobility seems like it doesn't matter that much

[supple skiff]

distance is -1.4%

[ornate hamlet]

MK V still swing slow tho

[supple skiff]

I generally dont like axes

[ornate hamlet]

the way the math is in this game, that might be significant might not, would have to test

i like the MK VIII more than the MK V, but it rolled limbsplitter and i hate limbsplitter

ruined it

so i use this guy instead

[supple skiff]

https://prnt.sc/epXdtVnBcc4O I lined up with thye rosette on the pillar and dodged right

[ornate hamlet]

going to upgrade this one and hope i don't get a bad blessing like the last axe i upgraded

[supple skiff]

https://prnt.sc/8be64VWd008T vs a mrk 5 with 79% mobility

almost no difference

it has +2.9% distance

[ornate hamlet]

dude that looks significantly different to me

[near wyvern]

Yeah limbsplitter is so bad on VIII. I have a really good purple VIII with brutal momentum, it can one shot all non-elites and non-specials with the first heavy swing. I am not going to upgrade that to orange before crafting updates. Can't risk rolling limbsplitter on that.

[ornate hamlet]

limbsplitter will ruin any axe

but yeah

[near wyvern]

BTW if you haven't tested after they fixed quietitude with transfer peril on void, I highly recommend you to do it. I wouldn't be surprised if they nerfed it.

[ornate hamlet]

it's especially bad on MK VIII because on MK VIII you want to start combo with 1 light attack followed by heavies

[near wyvern]

Yes when you are facing ogryns or a mauler

I just usually run blade or mk V duel because need for speed

[ornate hamlet]

actually...

nevermind i can't compare your two images because you didn't just do normal screenshots

you clipped and didn't clip them with the same width, so the image is being auto-centered
making it look like more of a difference than it probably is

[ornate hamlet]

yeah i mean, that's where it really matters tho

most other enemies almost any axe will do the job quick

i use axe i think will be best for quickly dropping ogryns and monstrousities

like when ppl disturb the demon i gotta kill it fast or it's coming for me next right? , so i axe that thing down as quick as i can

MK II is really strong even without weakspot hits, because it's light attack is still pretty good damage and it swings very quickly
and when you crit the damage is huge
very strong against demon

i light attack 2 or 3 times then just spam heavy

[hoary hearth]

Do i need stam regen for a deflector build?

[ornate hamlet]

stamina helps when blocking with peril, so max stam matters, i don't think stam regen matters tho? not sure

[cold mesa]

not gonna lie i really like limbsplitter tac axe

[maiden wolf]

I retired my FS for one of these too

[maiden wolf]

Stam regen helps for when your peril goes critical.

[maiden wolf]

I really hope they fix stamina curios soon.

[hoary hearth]

Didn't they patch quelling while blocking?

[proud hinge]

@hard jewel

[hard jewel]

This is a godroll imo, would have personally taken maniac or unarmored damahe over specialist damage though. Still pretty close to perfect

[proud hinge]

The time pressure grind was so hard

[hard jewel]

Oh yeah no kidding, but that's worth it. I just wish multiclass items were in a universal inventory

[proud hinge]

I didn't have enough currency, and I was able to buy it 30 minutes before the limited time shop reset

[split inlet]

I've seen some conflicting info so I thought I should ask here, can psykers get braced autoguns?

[ornate hamlet]

i don't like tactical axes, but that's a great roll for sure

[ornate hamlet]

no clue and guns are crap on psyker unless in very low difficulty, where they actually kill faster than staves

[idle bay]

Karking Nurgle! Barely can play - coughing too much for good aim and timely blocking, even got to 50% health.

[hard jewel]

Voidstrike, surge, or purgatus staves are all too good to pass up

[ornate hamlet]

purg and surge, voidstrike is kinda bad imo, and trauma is trash despite it being buffed recently

[cloud heron]

Psyker and high rolls on guns. Name a more iconic duo

[idle bay]

Knife Zealot

[ornate hamlet]

what is this anyway, a UI mod?

[cloud heron]

Armory browser extension

[uneven drift]

Yeah, i don't bother even check psyker's store anymore since it flooded with guns

[ornate hamlet]

here's a dodge timing example btw

[hard jewel]

The practical unlimited penetration on soft targets is really good for hordes but kind of shit for anything else

[idle bay]

OST from Mechanicus ? 🙂

Beating the nurle one cup of tea with balm at the time.

[teal kite]

Recon las/knife psyker

[warped perch]

This is dope

[idle bay]

Many years ago another WH40k themed game was released.. and for maximum supporter pack there was a 10kg parcel containing this

Postal service though.. cup was broken, and a had to glue it back up 🙂

Game is still alive though. With seasons and even DLC recently

[warped perch]

Wow nice

What game was it

[leaden thunder]

that inquisitor?

[idle bay]

Inquisitor Martyr

Played in early beta, and then played in one the recent seasons. Game is pure cocaine with right build 🙂

[ornate hamlet]

fatshark mails that to you if you complete every penance

[supple skiff]

diverse tactics malestrom psyker was a lot of fun

[idle bay]

Nah they mail you
Surströmming

[idle bay]

I'm techpriest enjoyer 🙂 Swarm of most basic melee spiders, and then squad of 4 Castelans (or 5 i forgot)

[idle bay]

Colour pattern of Miadzaki anime

[cobalt fiber]

man, trying to do cliffhanger penance in pugs is making me miserable

[ornate hamlet]

i'm doing missions with it like that

[idle bay]

I did it when it was push 20

[cobalt fiber]

that just makes me feel worse about myself :p

[idle bay]

This is very trippy 🙂

[idle bay]

Any misson with narrow bridge, like Espionage in lower hive , with cogitator defense at the and and 2 narrow bridges. Ask team politely to leave 1 ridge to you for penance. Stand on it, let zombies swarm you - then press F (don;t forget to block and push to stay alive in process)

Or here. Like on this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8cU_jq3IAis

It's push 20 version

Will work for push 7 as well 🙂

[cobalt fiber]

thanks 🙂 thats what ive been trying, my problem has been i have been playing in pugs, and havent had luck with cooperate teams

[ornate hamlet]

better to just get used to it

[cobalt fiber]

i am 😅

[idle bay]

LFG channel will help you. You just need 1 cooperative player and private lobby

[ornate hamlet]

the more you play with bad players the more you learn to carry anyway

[cobalt fiber]

yeah i might try on there, i was thinking id need to do that for the monster penance one day anyway

[teal kite]

The Emperor is with you :0

[crude talon]

Why does it seem like everyone in this discord are pugs? Lol. It’s like the 40k fandom attracts the friendless masses, idk.

[cobalt fiber]

:c

[ornate hamlet]

this game is more pug friendly than most, on all but the hardest difficulty

[crude talon]

I made my friends do nothing for about 20 mins so I could get that penance

[wanton cove]

Yeah just try and find a group toy enjoy or some friends who play and get them all done at once is how I do it

You* not toy

[cobalt fiber]

dont have any friends sadly, but i'll look on LFG when i finish getting to 30 ^_^

[crude talon]

I don’t know if it’s just today, or if I’m in my feelings or what, but this is making me want to start getting people together from this place so people can make friends

Are….

[wanton cove]

Yet!

[crude talon]

Are my trolling days over?

[ornate hamlet]

i plan to start clipping every time i kill ppl using barrels and make a vid out of them all

[crude talon]

I killed someone yesterday it was so funny

[ornate hamlet]

dude, it's like a minigame

https://tenor.com/view/mandalore-gaming-warhammer-warhammer40k-mechanicus-warhammer-mechanicus-gif-16773386

[crude talon]

I think we should start gathering Psykers in here and helping them get the Monstrous monster Monsters University Malestrum Malificent penance

[wet jacinth]

[crude talon]

Or whatever it’s called

[wet jacinth]

Make Monstrosity Bust

[wanton cove]

I was grouping with friends last weekend and one hit the barrel on that desert map where dudes shoot through the floor…anyways the barrel yeeted me the highest I’ve ever been yeeted

[crude talon]

Let’s do some runs this weekend and get you to thirty

[wanton cove]

Like no chance at survival. Straight into the sky and then the abyss. Whole voice chat cracking up. I guess it was worth my life 🤣

[crude talon]

My friend killed me, twice, in the same place on the same mission, with two different barrels lmao

Honestly, half the fun of this game is all the memes you make with friends for me. Like my zealot friend didn’t know you regen toughness in coherency until like hour 250 because he was ALWAYS rushing forward and alone lmao

And that’s gonna be a meme for the next 15 years

For us

[grizzled jasper]

the new mod lights on is looking great

[crude talon]

He only noticed because an ogryn had lynchpin on Lolol

[cobalt fiber]

sure! 😄

[wet jacinth]

I always loved the Pox Hound Space Program

[crude talon]

This makes me want to make a badge for that

[wanton cove]

Lol yeah it is pretty hilarious when they just launch out of nowhere

[grim magnet]

which is better, psykinetic's aura or psychic communion?

[idle bay]

Good new everyone! Chrome Armoury browser extension working again

[wet jacinth]

[north cradle]

You'll also need an equal number of Ogryns to maximise efficiency

[near wyvern]

No they cannot

[north cradle]

Shotguns neither

[neat summit]

Communion isn’t bad for most of the game but once you hit 30 you’ll want Aura because IIRC it helps you with Kinetic Barrage.

Aura also makes your veterans happy

So they can body shot the crushers in damnation 🤣

[uneven drift]

And you kill no things on heresy+ with BB so vet still have full cd on ult

[neat summit]

Kek

With the cdr from barrage you can get multiple BBs off when you need them, like to drop a bulwarks shield or stagger a crusher for example.

[uneven drift]

On the question subject. Both feats are fine and have use, just depends on build you are using.

[lethal plover]

BB killing nothing is a meme because people only focus on stuff with high hp like crushers

all the ranged elites like snipers and bombers and trappers are 1shot by BB on damn

[neat summit]

^^

[uneven drift]

Or because it's actually hard to use especially with intensity of battles. Either you use barrage and BB before battle starts or just doing other shings while battle goes.

[neat summit]

BB against high hp targets is only for the stagger really. The cdr from barrage helps a ton for that and for popping small specials

[lethal plover]

the psyker can safely kill a bomber running away just with a peek from cover. There is that utility in psyker being the anti-range

we don't have to aim so we can even duel it out with snipers by dodging

[uneven drift]

Cover when mixed horde on you?

Which is a most time in heresy + unless you run low intensity.

[lethal plover]

if you are caught in the open one ult is enough

[north cradle]

I have learnt that I should still keep bursting Ogryn brains as a priority target so that they're opened up to Zealots. That's the ideal situation if the Veteran is taking care of the shooters

[lethal plover]

but there will always be cover to use when you play tactically

[neat summit]

I mean. I typically don’t have problems in H+. Surge staff and spot for specials.

[north cradle]

I do wish that Brain Burst granted Warp Charges on hit rather than on kill, so I'm still rewarded for my time a tad

[neat summit]

That’d be nice

[north cradle]

I'd honestly make every Brain Burst feat except Psykinetic's Aura activate on hit

And buff Wrack and Ruin so it procs on Brain Bursting mobs, not just Elites

[neat summit]

Well Soulblaze just kinda sucks currently. In general.

[cloud heron]

I almost never use barrage and still BB plenty of gunners, trappers, and bombers

Like you have to feel out your priorities but there's definitely time to do it

[lethal plover]

using BB in the midst of battle is often the deciding factor between your team dying to a bomber cutting you off, and all you surviving

dodge slide, kinetic barrage, ult to create space to BB

[split inlet]

Damn, thanks tho

[north cradle]

Yeh but the Bomber usually gets his grenade off before I burst his brain, if only because I don't notice him before the pin is pulled

[lethal plover]

we always have room for improvement

and even in the best of times our attention slips. at least we don't let the bomber keep on the bombs

[cloud heron]

You can ult a bomber if it's close enough to force him to drop it

[neat summit]

Typically I see the wombo of hound/trapper and flamers that cause Ls when the squad is too focused on the horde. Being the Psyker gives you the flexibility to be on the lookout for those things.

[crude talon]

I only BB ogryns and far away stuff in heresy+ because I like to use surge to stop all hounds bursters and muties

[cloud heron]

not going to be the plan every time but comes up for me a lot

[lethal plover]

yep BB is the anti-range and anti-bulwark

[north cradle]

I'd argue Crushers too

[lethal plover]

one of the best even. Your team will often have difficulty aiming at snipers or bombers because they have to dodge all the melee crap

while you can dodgeslide while BB-ing

[cloud heron]

does anyone have a link to that breakpoint calculator?

[north cradle]

Anti-Bulwark and Crusher is for BB, and anti-Reaper is an Ogryn with a grenade box lol

[river sand]

BB for Snipers, bulwark (if you dont have surge or trauma staff) sometimes for bombers and far ways stuff before shit gets dirty

sometimes fleeing dogs

[north cradle]

I have never met someone who hasn't laughed when we sneak up on a Reaper spawn, I tell my team to wait, and then throw a box at their skulls

[steel flame]

I been having some really strange issues with trauma staff. I seem to be hitting overload with casting trauma even when I'm below 90% peril when I cast. Its really starting to piss me off

I dunno if it's latency or a bug or what

[lethal plover]

heh

[steel flame]

But it's happening consistently through missions

[river sand]

pretty easy, you dont have to care when you start casting, if you are at 100% when you press m1 you dead

[lethal plover]

I am already used to not using trauma when I'm above 60 from before. Now people are talking about 90

[steel flame]

I know how it works

What I'm saying is that it's ignoring how it's supposed to work

[lethal plover]

do you have a video

our attention can slip in the midst of battle

[steel flame]

My recording software is borked with darktide

Game crashes when I start recording

[lethal plover]

I'd recommend shadowplay (NVIDIA) or the AMD equivalent

[north cradle]

OBS?

[steel flame]

Yeah

[lethal plover]

OBS is only the last resort when GPU recording fails

[north cradle]

Maybe try downscaling the recording so it's not having to render twice

[steel flame]

I'll try it.

[river sand]

you say, when you start casting even when you are lower than 90%, charging full is 20-25%

[north cradle]

96% casting is for Surge Staff and Brain Burst, ain't it?

[river sand]

97

[steel flame]

But it's really weird. I know I'm still not used to trauma and I'll oopsie a few times here and there but I'm pretty used walling the peril at 100 with the other staffs but it feels like trauma will just flat out ignore the limit all the freaking time

[lethal plover]

it could sometimes be a bug. like surge had that bug before. but we need evidence

[north cradle]

You're used to edging and the Trauma Staff gives you a ruined warpgasm lol

[steel flame]

I'll see if I can get recording working after work

[river sand]

you gotta forget the "breakpoints" for casting and care a bit more, than you should be fine

[steel flame]

Normally the full charge shots work fine. Its when I'm doing short casting that it seems to blow me up under limit

[river sand]

psykinetics aura is good choice too, no need for charges and having your ult up again if you fuck up isnt the worst idea

[north cradle]

I ought to try that myself

[lethal plover]

oh maybe that's it

[north cradle]

I could potentially get more Warp Charges out from spamming Ascendant Blaze into crowds

[steel flame]

Maybe what's what

[lethal plover]

when you do full charge, the final explosion consumes almost no peril so it's easy to gauge

[river sand]

no need for AB, trauma has good aoe

[still hearth]

I always edge my BBs and I've never had issues.

[north cradle]

97% casting is nothing new yeh

[steel flame]

Is there something different with the short charges?

[lethal plover]

let me test it

[still hearth]

If you quell it seems that it will always reduce at least 5% regardless before you can cancel

So its basically always safe to repeat BB

[north cradle]

Does critical peril still generate threat? I never noticed the difference much in the beta

[still hearth]

Generate what?

[north cradle]

Threat. Aggro. Target priority

[still hearth]

Good question.

[lethal plover]

That's a thing?

[still hearth]

Maybe that's why all enemies hate me.

There's target priority, yes.

Its how Camo works

It makes them less of a prio

[lethal plover]

No, i mean peril

[north cradle]

It allegedly was a thing in the closed beta

I have not noticed if it's actually the case

The Peril screams used to be louder in the closed beta too

That sound of skidding tires with a reverb effect

[lethal plover]

peril generating threat sounds like one of those things we probably can't figure out that easily

[north cradle]

"Hey can I get three of you witches to start charging Brain Burst?" - Science Zealot

[lethal plover]

because psyker throwing a big explosion or cone of fire probably already generates ginormous threat

@steel flame I don't see much except when I purposely kill myself at the end. even short charge boom at 98 was fine

the boom always takes 4 or 5 peril no matter full or short charge

[steel flame]

Hmmmm

I'll need to test it some more when I get off. I might just be losing what peril I'm on when I go to cast

But it happened a lot during hordes so I might be getting some latency so I might just set my limit lower to stop using it

[mild hornet]

so what are the most important stats on surge staff?

[crude talon]

Anything but charge time

[azure goblet]

Like this? 🤣

just found it in the shop as i read ur post lol

[uneven drift]

Good start.

[gilded cloud]

How is this claw sword?

[north cradle]

It's good, that Infested will be great for horde clear

[gilded cloud]

But watch the blessing if upgraded be trash lol

[north cradle]

I think Mobility is the dump stat for Claw Sword

[gilded cloud]

I don't have enough resources yet to go willy nilly on upgrades yet anyways so I'll wait and keep it as is.

Maybe 1 blessing... To make. It blue

[north cradle]

Couldn't hurt

[gilded cloud]

Idk... Whenever I see stuff pop up in the armory. If it has decent modifiers, I always see it as a white or green rarity. It's lame

[north cradle]

I take 370+ whites and greens knowing I can Re-Bless them into something truly amazing in 2024

[gilded cloud]

Ah fuck you Hadron

@north cradle

I consecrated 2 of the decent stat weapons I had

[north cradle]

Womp womp

Time to wait for Re-Bless

I'm scared for your Force Sword though

The perks moreso than the blessing

I run Flak and Maniac on mine; Infested kinda does nothing

[gilded cloud]

What do those 2 do?

[north cradle]

Increased damage to Scab Ragers and armoured mooks, and Dreg Ragers, Flamers, and Mutants

[gilded cloud]

Is the + damage to infested not helpful for hordes?

[north cradle]

It usually is, but Force Sword is not good for horde clear honestly

[gilded cloud]

Exorcist blessing is basically useless... It says REPEATED weak spot hits... That's shit lol

[gilded cloud]

Ah, the swings are terrible for multiple enemies?

[north cradle]

Your best method of horde clear is Light-Heavy-Push-Repeat

[summer prairie]

with 25% infested one heavy one-shots a poxwalker

[north cradle]

I'd check breakpoints, but I think with that Finesse, a heavy headshot should kill a Poxwalker anyway

[summer prairie]

helps a bit with lights too as you are just under two-shotting them with lights otherwise

You are never going to one-shot damnation poxwalkers with a FS heavy without some perk/blessing help

[north cradle]

I might be thinking of the other mob type

[deft trench]

I wish the trauma had friendly fire so i could explode teamates into the valkyrie so we can fucking leave

[pale basalt]

Hey gang I've had this happen a couple times on my psyker at high peril, I think switching either from BB or staff to weapon, get stuck with no weapon in hand at all, can't swap, shortly after I get ganked so hard to confirm, I'm pretty sure this is specifically with the knife. Anyone else experience this?

Maybe thier correction to the weapon swap exploit fomented it?

[primal sonnet]

I've noticed this, too. I've got an axe at the moment and my arms get stuck in the first frame of the heavy downstrike animation.

BB -> Q to hotswitch -> \o/

[pale basalt]

hotswitch button fixed?

I'll try it, my habit is to just tap the key of the tool i want

It's always an "oh shit" moment of course 😛

[keen harbor]

if only warp and dmg were reversed...

[steel flame]

Oof

Feelsbad

[gilded cloud]

What curios do you guys like as psykers?

[ornate hamlet]

toughness regen homie

[pale basalt]

Now? health, tough regen, gunner resist/sniper resist for me. I don't run any wounds but revive speed ain't bad either.

yeah ogryn got big buff in that department to share with the team, keep it topped up asap

[dapper dove]

what should i do

❤️

[frozen osprey]

Oh my goodness gracious

[idle bay]

It's for this build 🙂

[gilded cloud]

I think what you currently have is better

[frozen osprey]

Ultra based

[dapper dove]

nice!

[gilded cloud]

What in the fuck

[dapper dove]

should i upgrade it

or reroll

[gilded cloud]

I think what you have is better but I'd still hold off on upgrading

I think you can do better

[dapper dove]

preciate u

[gilded cloud]

But it's up to you. In the end the resources can just be earned back so it isn't gonna kill you

[gilded cloud]

So how fast do you revive people? Lol

Instantly? Lol

Jk

[idle bay]

According to bonus getting above 100% revive happens before you press F

[dapper dove]

[idle bay]

But then you need to press F or you break casuality

[gilded cloud]

This dudes team just auto reviving wondering wtf happened

Lol jk

[idle bay]

Ah finally found second part of that build

A gun that Fatshark using for playtesting

To check if difficulty and balance is ok 🙂

[ornate hamlet]

that's what fatshark devs use when they play vet class, it's the only class they play and the only weapon they use

and they still buff vet survivability

[idle bay]

Only voice actors that worked for them can handle Damnation really

[supple skiff]

LOL

[idle bay]

Fatsjhark devs themself - never beyond t1 🙂

Alex Jordan is really cool guy and he do know how play 🙂

Karking nurgle pox melting my brain - forgetting english and names... Whiskey Bourbon time!

[idle bay]

Even sick and barely able to aim or block - finished vet run (Malice to not be a burden for the team in my condition) not going below 50%... I mean sure Vet is perfectly balanced!

Though other 3 vets in the team dropped dead every few minutes but that's not the point. They forgot to melee up until the end

Fatshark needs to beef up stamina regen for vet as well.

[gilded cloud]

I think that if that's what they're using to test difficulty and balance.... That's a little off. Just a smidge

[idle bay]

Hm... check the mini-bar only Maker's Mark bourbon left (few shots) and full bottle of Havana Club rum - in which to drown the sorrow of psyker nerfs?

[gilded cloud]

Going off of the vet test weapon above. If I had to guess, the psyker playtest weapon must be providing instant passive quelling with instant charging and 1000% damage

And so they find the psyker easy to play so they need to nerf

[idle bay]

I'm completely in agreement with that statement

And they find vet hard to play and in need of buffs because they are aiming with a keyboard

[gilded cloud]

Next update: psyker must be stationary when casting anything

[gilded cloud]

I've been spoiled by VR aiming. Absolutely so so sooo much easier

It's so seamless to just move your hands and eyes to where you want

[idle bay]

Back in 90-s gamers that aimed with a keyboard where called "tractor drivers".
Also yes - VR aiming spoils... a lot 🙂

[wet jacinth]

The stats vets be thinking when defending XII

[idle bay]

Also, Space Pirate Trainer or ?

[gilded cloud]

I have played that but I was recently playing After The Fall and Medal of Honor

[runic gate]

Well good morning to me

[idle bay]

Damn..i'm out of salt and need to say something positive

[idle bay]

Congrats 🙂 Now pray for good perk + blessing

[runic gate]

run and gun coming my way

[idle bay]

I said it quite a few times - it's a great perk on Surge if you mastered using LMB attack

[gilded cloud]

With the way Hadron is applying my blessings, I think she's the Traitor on the ship

[idle bay]

WD-40, freind, and she melts and grants good blessings and perks

[gilded cloud]

The Holy Oil is tainted

This one seems decent as a Curio

I think I should re-rol the 15% chance of curio tho

[feral topaz]

My surge has it and I feel so stupid shooting while moving

[idle bay]

Do it while charging to the pack of dreg shooters 🙂

It's specifically for that purpose

They don't spread to covers and stay in pack suppressed and they become an easy prey for melee

[feral topaz]

🤔

[long wharf]

jesus, that's silly

[lethal plover]

heh

I'm now just spamming trauma

funny to see how it's so good

the real skill lies in how you corral or bomb a horde

[gilded cloud]

Idk I still prefer voidstrike headshots on hordes

[lethal plover]

I like the fact that push AoE on trauma is so big you can stop dead the enemy ranks

[idle bay]

I wonder how it interracts with Bug-hound?

[gilded cloud]

You're not wrong, it is strong but can also, in some cases be annoying since it pushes them out of the way for some other allies

But in a small narrow area, likely. Not

[lethal plover]

I have always used it for dog space programs

[idle bay]

Still sends them to space.... Gooooood 🙂

[still hearth]

Is this the notorious Wounds build I've heard of

Also I tried to do Damnation without feats and using basic weapons and Psyker feels a billion times better than Veteran without feats.

But Veteran with feats is just so busted lmao.

That's probably why they're nerfing Psyker. It's too good without feats

[olive ember]

well yes psyker gets the "best" weapons at the start imo

[still hearth]

Well Psyker stamina regen and delay is much better, too.

Making horde control much easier

Always having BB is actually very nice when you got no feats and a melee + staff without blessings

[idle bay]

How noticeably x3 stamina regen curios affect Psyker's stamina regen?

[still hearth]

Idk, I don't have stamina regen curios.

[idle bay]

I need to sweep through my collection and maybe do few re-rolls....

Damn Fargo re-watch needs to wait

[feral topaz]

I just managed to pull off an untouchable run as Psyker

[cloud heron]

Does anyone know what number a stamina curio needs to tip over to 3 stamina?

[feral topaz]

as a sidenote, I still haven't managed to kill a dog, while leaping, with BB

I'm missing something

[fresh reef]

Well the obvious one first, are you playing Malice and below for it?

[feral topaz]

....crud, I haven't in a while

[fresh reef]

That's very important to hit the hound breakpoint

Otherwise it'll be nigh impossible to realistically do

Step 2 is precharge and wait for the leap sound cue. Afaik it doesn't technically need to be in the air, just wait for the cue and BB

[feral topaz]

ah

I see

[runic gate]

It's gonna sound dumb, but you can have an ogyrn do a power slide into a dog diving him, it will bug the dog and launch it into the air 2 miles high and you can BB spam until it dies

Just ask a ogyrn to power slide into a dog thats locked on him. It's hilarious

[feral topaz]

......that...is a very creative idea I did not consider.

[lethal plover]

one saving grace rn is that the game has been out long enough that many people are now chilling in damnation
2 months ago it was harder to find a full lobby

[feral topaz]

Ill ask someone when I can

[feral topaz]

btw, does the maleum monstrum armor have gloves?

[runic gate]

Whole outfit here

lemme change outfit to check diff

That's all the tops/gloves i have, seems like the gloves are share on diff models

[feral topaz]

so the first one has exposed fingertips?

[runic gate]

yes

[feral topaz]

I see

wellp

when I get bored of gear hunting Ill do more penance hunting

[runic gate]

You can do both at the same time

[feral topaz]

I've seen some of them

I would go nuts

need to be in a specific mood

[valid fern]

what's typical for surge staff modifier ratings? At 30 I very rarely (once a week?) see something over 340

[runic gate]

I've had a 360 staff for weeks, but this morning this popped up for me lol

TBH doesn't feel much different, I find just being effective with your casts is most important.

[valid fern]

that's ridiculous. Grats! I'm jealous. I was starting to think it's just the norm for surge staves

[runic gate]

Yeah I just posted it an hour ago in this chat XD really just remember to let your team wave clear the little mobs so you can CC the big ones.

[valid fern]

here's mine

[azure isle]

It has been weeks since the game has given me a staff. Its getting increasingly frustrating to not have one.......

[sacred monolith]

I did some testing for my video and noticed that the radius increase does not seem to do much radius wise. But it does appear to increase the range. Anyone seen anything to do with if it actually does improve anything radius wise?

I will link the video below where I did the test.

https://youtu.be/6y4V9oFQJfA

[frozen osprey]

How long have you suffered so

[runic gate]

Put your staff and my 2 all together and let you try them, I bet you wouldn't really notice a difference, key is play well with team.

[frigid marten]

purgatus with kinetic barrage? why? it's like missing the best part of a purgatus build.

[sacred monolith]

It is true that missing the +10% warp charge gain on asecendant is painful. But I find the Purgatus can deal with the hordes without it. Kinetic barrage taking down specials and shooters quicker has more impact on the team

[cloud heron]

6 charge AB is a pretty big deal, even with a purge

[frigid marten]

it's not for hordes is for shooters.

F on shooters and hide behind cover.

F is like 30 meter range.

[cloud heron]

build stacks faster on big threats already in front of you, taking down groups while mobile, shooters, covering an off-angle someone else is struggling with

[sacred monolith]

Yeah i did some side by side testing in the video and 6 warp charges is pretty powerful. But quick brain bursts is also very powerful when you need it

[gilded cloud]

About the same as anything else tbh

[cloud heron]

kinetic barrage is overrated imo, BB is fine by itself for the things you need it for

[sacred monolith]

Ah I dunno. When there are a lot of specials and time is critical to remove them KB is very handy

I feel the specials are more likely to wipe you than the odd ascendant blaze hit on a horde

[cloud heron]

AB gives a lot of field control very quickly

[sacred monolith]

It also makes going up against a ton of shooters easier

[sacred monolith]

Yup is true

[frigid marten]

no no ascendant blaze on an horde no. with purgatus you don't need that. the AB is for the mixed horde or the shooters with shotgunners and gunners.

[warm flint]

i skipped around this video and idk man, i think your bias is showing

[wet jacinth]

Bias

[north cradle]

Skips the video
Opinionated
Checks out

[wet jacinth]

My opinion is that if you aren't a Ogryn. You're based and toxic

[north cradle]

I don't need to not be an Ogryn to be based and toxic

The fact that there's no leaderboard won't stop me from hoarding all the kills from my teammates

[wet jacinth]

And the Ogryns will protect you Lil un regardless of your toxicity stats

[runic gate]

If you aren't Ogyrn, you are little man syndrome

[sacred monolith]

Anything in particular? I do run tests for most things and put side by side comparisons. Of course I will have a bias, is only natural 🙂

In my DRG videos I have a research group and have started to run surveys to get data and stats to help iron out bias and get a feel for what Community are using and run tests on that. Not at that stage with Darktide yet.

[wet jacinth]

Toxic Ogryns are ones who've already been corrupted into cultist

Down Heretical

[magic burrow]

What if KD used peril to block instead of increased it?

none of this infinite block nonsense that got Fatshark so spooked, and as a bonus it would work pretty well with the forcesword

[idle bay]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/10mqfh7/brain_burst_might_have_been_different_at_one_point/.

An interesting find

[still hearth]

Not exactly the same but on Zealot I tried a 8% cloud radius and a 70+% and you can definitely tell

I fired between the shooters in Psykarnum and the 8% would only sometimes tag one of the ragers

While the 70%+ would tag all enemies

I just think that the Area increase isn't massive, and its also not the radius you care about anyway.

[frozen osprey]

What if i play every class

[still hearth]

I tested it again on flamer and the difference is staggeringly small from 5% to 80%

Even though it almost doubles the "area of effect"

[steel vapor]

Basic math would indicate 75% based and toxic

[still hearth]

The only thing I can think about is that the Area of Effect is the diameter which means its 9 m across so that's only about a 2m increase on either side compared to a 0% on flamer.

The flame particles also seem to spread out

[frozen osprey]

That's reasonable thank you

[still hearth]

So the 9m is probably at the end of the flame beam

Which means its even less impactful if you don't stand far away

[steel vapor]

Yeah, pretty sure cloud also makes it wider as well as longer (giggity) - at least its the case for the flamer

[still hearth]

It does.

But the flame is

Uh

A cone

And the 9m is at the end

I tried this in Psykarnum more deeply

And you can tell very clearly if you use the flamer with 5% and the one with 80% at each max distance

[steel vapor]

Makes sense

[still hearth]

So the difference is basically non-existant at close range

But you will shred hordes more at longer ranges

So its still good (even just the range would be good enough tbh)

[steel vapor]

Well yes, its about the angle i suppose, would be kinda busted if it was shaped like a sphere haha

[lethal plover]

Even with the KD nerf I'm still chilling in damn

They really need more challenge in the game

[steel vapor]

Im just here never having even gotten the perk lel

[still hearth]

I do like the showcase for Essence Harvest being one of the moments

Where the one that gives 10% toughness on warp kills

Would've just been better

[lethal plover]

What count as warp kills nowadays? Purge and trauma alt?

[still hearth]

Basically everything

That isn't a melee

Or gun

[steel vapor]

Everything that generates peril i presume

[still hearth]

I think there were some exceptions even to staffs though?

There's the Psyker guide that goes into more detail

I mostly play Gun Psyker anyway

Kinetic Shield is essential on Damnation

I guess I've just been dying in Damnation on Psyker

What feats do you run for Void

I should give it another shot

[cloud heron]

quietitude, psykinetic wrath, psykinetic aura, kinetic deflection, kinetic flayer, kinetic barrage is my void build

[still hearth]

Seems about right.

Time to go into some Hi5 gameplay

[cloud heron]

on day 3 of using trauma. I've gone from liking it, to hating it, to possibly liking it again

even with the buff it still eats so much peril

but those explosions do work

[near wyvern]

Depends which feat you talking about. What is considered as warp is in inconsistent between the feats.

You can find the answers from here: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2917274959

[near wyvern]

Yeah I run inner tranq, psychic communion, kinetic flayer and quickening with it. Helps to get stacks up fast and if you need to do some heavy dumping you have a couple ults you can pull out.

[still hearth]

I can conclude that

Voidstrike feels good

But it also feels underwhelming af

Its a lot of fun though

[near wyvern]

Voidstrike is amazing with Quietitude and transfer peril now

Toughness just goes woosh

While popping heads

[still hearth]

But its just a less good Warp Absorption

Though you get Quititude to refill Toughness when you're not in combat I guess

[near wyvern]

Quietitude allows you to regain toughness when you get dumped on yes

Warp absorption is not good because you only benefit from it when things are going well

[still hearth]

I wouldn't say that, you benefit from it quite often but its definitely less reliable.

If there's ever a group of horde mobs you can just send your Toughness to the sky again

And 10% per BB isn't nothing, either. With how Toughness works against ranged

Though Essence Harvest is better if you're relying on low Toughness to absorb shots

Which is what I do with Gun + Quietitude anyway basically

[near wyvern]

You can't go wrong with Essence Harvest. It's always available and really easy way to top up. All you need is peril at 97 or less and you get it.

[still hearth]

Wdym?

[near wyvern]

97 is all you need so you can BB

Or less peril

With Quietitude you have to have peril to begin with, with warp absorption you really need a bunch of enemies that you can quickly kill. A single BB for 10% is not gonna clutch a run.

[hexed marsh]

It's not just BB I think

[still hearth]

Yes its not

[hexed marsh]

I thini it counts for all staff and force sword attacks

[still hearth]

But 10% instantly is usually fine.

[near wyvern]

Only special for FS

[still hearth]

It's about the same as Essence Harvest if you keep popping heads, actually.

[hexed marsh]

Unfortunate

[near wyvern]

This is not true. Assuming you have 0 peril, you can chain 3 BBs with 3 second for each, so 9 seconds to get 30% peril.

And you need 3 enemies.

[still hearth]

Ah I guess the head pop animation too

[near wyvern]

Yes, 2 second for LMB and 1 second for animation

[still hearth]

Though you also

Never get more than 30% every 5s

With EH

[near wyvern]

Yes but you can chain it together to top it up if you need. And with build like purge or if you are running kinetic flayer of psychic communion you get nice passive regen with EH.

The benefit of EH is that you have a constant and reliable toughness regen any time there is a single enemy available. When you get jumped by a ranged and you can only make quick peeks, that's when you need toughness the most, and EH is extremely reliable and safe method to get it while disposing some of the ranged.

It's not the greatest gain per second if you give warp absorption or quietitude ideal conditions, but it is an extremely reliable one.

[frozen osprey]

I wish the docket shop had versions of the duty and redemption raiments ):

[frigid marten]

quietitude advantage is not needing eenemies or friend for recharge though.

[slow karma]

They really need to disable lights out

[wet jacinth]

[slow karma]

until they just give everyone a fucking flashlight

[still hearth]

Maybe you need to git gud instead

[slow karma]

Like come on

[still hearth]

[slow karma]

Or maybe you can stop pretending this game isn't made of lego pitfalls

[flint plover]

"They need to disable this mission mode until I have a tool to trivialize this mission mode"

[wet jacinth]

Or flame throwing weapons.

[cloud heron]

not everyone has the courage to say things this brave

[flint plover]

translated it for you

[wet jacinth]

[near wyvern]

Just bring in the big torch? You know, purgatus.

[slow karma]

Man you clowns were not here last time this came up

[magic burrow]

lights out mode is spoopy and fun

[cloud heron]

i am also a member of the "lights out is bad" society

[slow karma]

I like the tension it adds

[wet jacinth]

I want lights out + Fog

[slow karma]

I do not like not being able to navigate the area full of edges to drop off of

[near wyvern]

And of you really want a flash light, it's gun psyker time!

[wet jacinth]

[magic burrow]

lights out and endless horde for that relentless wave of little beady yellow eyes coming at you

[slow karma]

Having to use a lazgun or waste ammo to be able to navigate is stupid

[flint plover]

skill issue

just memorize the level

there's only like three of them

[slow karma]

Sorry but I play other games

[wet jacinth]

I wish Shotgun was a Bash or Flashlight. Instead it's almost eh horizontal shot

[magic burrow]

you dont even need to memorize a level. Just have a basic idea of the layout is fine

[slow karma]

Well I don't

[near wyvern]

Waste ammo what do you mean? Either you have a gun that has a flash light which consumes no ammo or you use a staff which... Has no ammo.

[wet jacinth]

[slow karma]

I'm considering more than just psyker

[wet jacinth]

Do any Ogryn weapons even a light?

[near wyvern]

Then you came knocking on the wrong door 😂

[magic burrow]

You know, you can always like, not play missions with the Lights Out modifier

[slow karma]

It's no less annoying on psyker, it was just a global statement

[near wyvern]

That's unfair to say until we can actually choose the missions. Now it's just an illusion of choice. It's as good as saying you don't have to play the game.

[wet jacinth]

Unfair but true.

[near wyvern]

Solace will soon get a full bladder