psyker-class

[frozen osprey]

heresy is definitely pushing me to my limits (im not good at this game)

[slow karma]

Yeah I here you

It took me a while to even TRY heresy

but that was while I was learning to play

Also with some settings tweaks I got my performance to be far more consistent so now I can actually operate on that difficulty

[frozen osprey]

its still super fun though the thrill is exciting

[floral solstice]

im just spamming damnation a couple runs per day, anything lower is too boring to me at this point

[near gale]

And low difficulties =/= fun, for me. Not at all. If it's way too easy, it gets boring... and if it gets boring I stop having fun... and if I stop having fun my attention is obliterated from existence.

[floral solstice]

even regular damnation on some maps dont feel like damnation

baross for instance, snoozefiesta

[near gale]

I legit enjoy learning the harder difficulties, to a point.

[slow karma]

I'm easy to entertain, I'll admit

But my big thing is not having premade parties

If I can't count on my team, I can't bring myself to play harder shit

[near gale]

If cata became too much for me, in vt2, I just went back to legend.

[slow karma]

I have to pug everything so I'd rather not risk abject failure

You don't get enough out of failed runs for me to not give a shit

[floral solstice]

pugs in most online games (at least the ones i played) are hit and miss anyway

[slow karma]

Yes, which means I'm not going to sweat higher difficulties in a good many games as a result

There's a chance the gameplay will end up spicy enough when someone inevitably fucks up

[near gale]

You do get exposure, and you learn sometimes. Which allows me to get a lot better, since 95-98% of my skill comes from exposure, and not innate talent.

[slow karma]

That's enough entertainment for me

[near gale]

And eventually it becomes less and less stressful for me, as I get more at ease with the difficulty

[floral solstice]

most of my high intensity damnation clears are with pugs, most lfg peeps ive met dont want to attempt it, but ofc at the same time the worst experiences are with pugs

[slow karma]

Yeah but shit can still just happen

Which is fair, and not normally a real issue

but for me, when I put that kind of effort to just be good at the game, I'm feeling mentally taxed on a level I don't want to waste the energy on

[cloud heron]

if you're not playing the game because you're concerned about loot it sounds like you're sweating harder than someone playing damnation for fun

[long wharf]

well shit, Sour Milk really wants me to play trauma

[slow karma]

so If I have to clutch a horde wave with everyone dead, I'm not going to be pleased if I still end up dead to something before I get the team back up

[cloud heron]

that's what i mean

[floral solstice]

doesnt low quell grief that or not so much? idk ive never used trauma

[slow karma]

So I like to make sure I don't end up in situations like that

[maiden wolf]

That's an amazing roll. Transfer Peril is S-tier on voidstrike.

[slow karma]

Not as much as before

Quellspeed isn't so hard to adapt to realy but they lowered the peril gen on trauma pretty dramatically so you dont need it nearly as much as before

But yeah, pick that shit up, it's gud

[floral solstice]

meanwhile this is what melk is offering my zealot

here's literal trash now pay me

[clear heath]

2985 marks
incredible

[gilded cloud]

Melk overcharges for his shit

Like.... That's 2 weeks worth of contracts basically

[long wharf]

I've said this since the open beta - Sour Milk should only offer max rolled stuff

t4 perks and blessings

380 modifiers

let it be randomized

[gilded cloud]

That's fine

[long wharf]

but there's no reason for him to be a random quality shop, not with limited access currency

[gilded cloud]

But often his shit is expensive and worse than armory

Wish there was an ongoing contract in addition to the weekly ones too tho.

Like the weekly ones is good with the bonus 1000 completing them all

[rocky cedar]

Quell speed sucks

But fuck you regardless

[gilded cloud]

But I wish there was always a single ongoing quest where you can complete then get a new one immediately

So you can keep getting 100-200 for each quest

And it's separate from the weekly

[long wharf]

it's still usable, though

[rocky cedar]

Oh yeah with the rest of the stats and those blessings

Pretty great

Hence fuck you

[long wharf]

here's the part that'll really grind your gears

I may never actually use it

[slow karma]

Yeah still not on board with that max roll bullshit

The pursuit of good gear is part of the gameplay loop. The problem is the loop around that aspect is shit

That suggestion for melk is rooted in that context and would break the loop entirely for future iterations

I would, however, propose an alternative.

[frozen osprey]

i dont pursue good gear i pursure buying every cosmetic in the docket shop :3

[slow karma]

He can offer all rarities of gear. But the lower the rarity, the higher the base rolls

[cloud heron]

I've heard rumors that max roll curios can have perks that aren't trash

yet to see one

[manic needle]

Just be glad that it's a curio so that it can't roll Run 'n' Gun when you upgrade it

[slow karma]

They're curios, they're not gonna make or break your shit that dramatically to begin with

[manic needle]

Exactly, they can't even roll Sustaining Fire so why bother

[silver pagoda]

what's the break point on purgatus burn stat for max soulfire?

[cloud heron]

76

[untold jetty]

Okay figured it out, it's 'cause initially, the forum post only had weapon updates on it and nothing else

[vestal harness]

Hey guys how important is warp resistance on force sword? Got this one on Melk with deflector on it and debating if it's worth

[slow karma]

Not with that warp res

The dumpstat is mobility.

[regal musk]

Only affects the special. Personally id call it a dump stat given its not often you have to do multiple specials

[slow karma]

Yeah if I wanted to wield a shield and only a shield I'd play ogryn

But fair enough

[vestal harness]

thanks!

[wet jacinth]

Depends but it's a dumpstat primarily on Force sword just by the fact it has infinite dodges.

[gilded cloud]

Wait it does? Why? How?

[regal musk]

Just a weapon feature. Dodge limit is infinite

[spice veldt]

eh, I would hate to be departed from my 80 mobil FS

[wet jacinth]

Other weapons. You dodge consecutively it becomes shitty small dodges after a certain amount. Force sword doesnt have this limit

However mobility will affect this counter on other weapons/distance and etc on dodges

[regal musk]

Mobility also affects the distance on FS. Which is why i'd rather not have it low lol

[wet jacinth]

Correct

Mobility stat typically ends up being the dumpstat from what I hear often

Even though it's very nice to have

But technically dodge limit of 3 is essentially unlimited given you know the reset timer on it. Which is relatively very short (unless you're spamming it ofc.)

[cyan portal]

Psyker takes 50% less dmg while dodging, does that mean if you constant dodge while deflecting ranged you can tank 2x the ranged dmg?

[keen harbor]

just why does this have to show up on psyker

[azure goblet]

anyone know how Warp Flurry works? tested it extensively and cannot for the life if me figure out if it even works. I concluded it's broken, then saw in the recent patch notes that they "fixed 'Warp Flurry' blessing not working on some trauma force staffs" leading me to believe I just dont know how to use it

[gilded cloud]

Oh does dodging take up stamina too tho?

Or you just mean it doesn't limit you to like 3 sequential dodges before it doesn't let you?

[regal musk]

Just doesn't limit you the way normal weapons do.
You get the max distance dodge no matter how many in a row you do

[lethal plover]

inspect weapon and stare at the numbers. dodge limit is given for each weapon

[long wharf]

not "some trauma force staffs", trauma staff blessing was fixed

the other staves still have broken warp flurry

[lethal plover]

trauma feels really good now

[long wharf]

aiming is still ass

[lethal plover]

the big explosion when you release right mouse consumes almost no peril

I spammed through a horde without having to worry

lol at aiming

they are like 2 meters in front of me

[azure goblet]

Thanks

[long wharf]

and for everything that's not, aiming is ass

[lethal plover]

fits me. I'm using it to clear up hordes

rending shockwave feels good, though it's hard to know exactly if it was just my team being good at crushers or it really contributed

[long wharf]

did you see the trauma staff Sour Milk sold me earlier tonight?

[lethal plover]

hmm no?

[lethal plover]

nice

[long wharf]

and since crit chance is garbage with trauma, I guess I'll roll sprint efficiency to, what, flak?

[rocky cedar]

Uhhhh, ranged attacks can't hit you in dodge state bro. Those modifiers are purely for melee hits

If you get hit while spamming dodge you're being hit in between dodges

So taking full damage

[rocky cedar]

Keep in mind if you don't have warp charges you barely won't one shot poxwalkers on Damnation

[lethal plover]

at least refining perks is cheap af

it was easy to switch all curios to toughness regen

[rocky cedar]

If you're confident you'll always have warp charges then yeah Flak is probably most broadly useful

[long wharf]

yeah, charging up trauma to try to kill things in the meat grinder on damnation didn't feel good

I'd get the really rare and random weakspot hit and see a big number, but beyond that, very unsatisfying to use

[silver pagoda]

trauma staff is like voidstrike but instead of getting a ball of penetrating destruction that then explodes, it just explodes

[lethal plover]

It can explode at feet for 360. Do uncharged and then commit to bigger. Always works

[cloud heron]

I took trauma through a few damnation games and feel like it's meant to be a CC/horde clear hybrid

[rocky cedar]

Weakpoint hit on trauma ????

[cloud heron]

but the problem is it's a bit too bad at both things

[long wharf]

yep, I did testing in the meat grinder earlier today for about an hour and a half

and about 5 times I saw an orange weakspot damage number that looked like a proper weakspot damage number

like dealing 1500 damage on a crusher once

[rocky cedar]

WTF it never used to be able to do that

That's so bizarre

[long wharf]

it's not anywhere near consistent, nor as far as I can tell, possible to do on purpose

I tried all sorts of things to see if I could get it to happen on purpose

[lethal plover]

huh

[long wharf]

like right on the circle edge

directly middle

[lethal plover]

any videos

[long wharf]

multiple enemies

no, I don't normally record my screen

[surreal folio]

nice

[rocky cedar]

Damn what the hell

That's so weird

[lethal plover]

who else can knock a fat crusher into the ground

[floral solstice]

grenade gauntlet

[lethal plover]

I mean staff but sure

[floral solstice]

whack it with staff melee till it dies of old age

[lethal plover]

trauma is like walmart grenade and purge is walmart flamer

very cheap

[cloud heron]

it's a lot chunkier than the grenade gauntlet

slower rate of fire but it does everything more

[floral solstice]

well good thing crushers are so dumb and easy to kite

they only become a problem if they tank hits for some smaller shit next to them

[lethal plover]

that everything more includes tracking an ADHD dog and instantly explode with perfect precision

[floral solstice]

i genuinely dont understand why vets unload bolter mags on them when i play ogryn, i can literally 3 shot them in melee

[regal musk]

So easy to kite that i actually once saw a team literally walk past 2 of them in a horde without even noticing them .. Leaving me to solo them while they ran off 😄

[rocky cedar]

I kinda disagree. The stagger is very strong and the radius is ginormous. The killing power also scales super well with density and it completely neuters mixed hordes no matter how many scary elites are mixed in

[long wharf]

I was disappointed to learn that trauma can't stun mutants

[cyan notch]

i had that happen to me and turns out thats just flayer

[lethal plover]

good point. only surge deals with mutants (among staves)

I will give surge that. But my trusty axe chops muties very well

[rocky cedar]

Mutants I understand. Why it seems so inconsistent for staggering dogs is the thing I don't at all understand

[regal musk]

Everything is inconsistent with dog staggers lol

[rocky cedar]

True I guess

[lethal plover]

even surge has some problem with stopping muties. it doesn't work all the time. I am inclined to believe it's either lag or a bug

[rocky cedar]

Though not surge

Muties being extremely hard to stagger is cool with me

They'd be neutered as a threat if too many things could interrupt them

Surge and Ogryn Ult can remain the only things that do that

[floral solstice]

at least they're tall enough to get bonked by a box while in a horde

[regal musk]

This is kind of how i feel when i see all the threads on the official forums demanding dogs be super easy to dodge evade.
Naw i like that dogs catch people all the time. Then i get toi laugh at them for running 100 meters off on their lonesome after a dog howls XD

[rocky cedar]

They actually do sweet fuck all damage anyway in the average time before they're immediately slapped off someone

Dog hate is super over the top for what they are

[regal musk]

The dog hate comes from people who stay as far away from the team as the map allows and then get jumped, usually while the team is busy with a horde lol

[cloud heron]

anyone know how to get the other prisoner sets like this guy has?

[cyan notch]

red is penance stuff

[cloud heron]

oh, yeah that makes sense

[cyan notch]

other colours are from your crime selection

[lethal plover]

eventually we all go red

[cloud heron]

thought the red pants were prisoner pants for some reason

[lethal plover]

is it a lore thing that inquisition all wears red

[rocky cedar]

I respect prisoner garb aesthetic

Often signifies a chad

[gloomy gulch]

not sure what to reroll on this

any help would be neat

or if it is even good?

got it as a drop so it seemed decent

[fringe remnant]

its a good drop of a subpar staff

[surreal folio]

new patch they want people using them more often

[bold flint]

i thought it was a void staff because of the skin

[gloomy gulch]

I guess I reroll the crit chance right? or nah

yeah sorry I put the skin on it ahah

[surreal folio]

the emporer inscents us to use tf staff

[fringe remnant]

keep crit

[gloomy gulch]

kk

[surreal folio]

yeah deff keep crit

[gloomy gulch]

cool alright

should I reroll the maniac bonus or is it worth it?

[glass badge]

Why do i sometimes get 100% charge when i ult with Quicken? i only have 4 max charges.

math says, i should only get about half?

[cloud heron]

did it actually eat your charges? sometimes lag causes it not to cast

[glass badge]

it ate the charges

[fringe remnant]

nah you probably want damage vs armor

[gloomy gulch]

ah right forgot about that one

[glass badge]

Sometimes i get more than 50% but less than 100% as well.

[gloomy gulch]

carapace armoured right

or flak

is there a preference overall?

[cloud heron]

probably flak

barely anything uses carapace

[regal musk]

Flak comes up way more often

[gloomy gulch]

ah kk

[regal musk]

Most things that dont do well on Carapace dont do enough that a 20% bump is even noticeable

[glass badge]

The things that do do well on them, dont really need it either.

[fringe remnant]

i'd honestly be testing in the psykanarium against different armor types to see what breakpoints you're just shy of

[regal musk]

Outside of hitting a breakpoint maybe

[rocky cedar]

Infested roll is required to one shot damn poxwalkers with a full charge without any warp charges

It can also help kill them with partial charges + warp charges

[cyan notch]

bug that happens sometimes enjoy your full ult refund

[fringe remnant]

I'm also figuring out what to roll on this

[cloud heron]

infested

[rocky cedar]

I generally quite recommend it for horde clear but if you're confident you'll always be full charging and always have warp charges you can skip the infested roll

[cloud heron]

at least would be my preference

[rocky cedar]

Please note this was a continuation of what I was saying about trauma perks not in response to the surge staff

[rose lily]

what're the best stats for all 3 psyker curios if with purg staff, then with surge staff?

[gloomy gulch]

my first reroll was 20 to infested enemies

it was a sign

[silver jolt]

Reroll unyielding or infested and to what?

[long wharf]

always crit chance

[silver jolt]

get rid of unyielding?

[slow karma]

No I'd say infested

Well, no I'm thinking of harder hitting stuff.

Unyeilding is things like mutants

you're not really using a purge staff on those

[long wharf]

keep unyielding

[fringe remnant]

infested is pox walker, pox houd, mutant, pox burster, and you don't really need extra damage vs those

[long wharf]

you're going to kill infested things easy enough

unyielding is also reapers

[fringe remnant]

unyielding is bosses and ogryns, and you will be using purge on those

[long wharf]

yep

[slow karma]

Right, so unyielding is the play

Good to know

[silver jolt]

good point, didn't know bosses are unyielding

[slow karma]

Yeah that makes sense

I do need to refine my psyker more. I've been trying to level my zealot

And formerly a vet but I'm a shit shot so I deleted her lmao

I'll try again if there's an interesting spec

[rocky cedar]

Mutants are maniac bro

[slow karma]

I'm pretty sure most special mobs count as several things

[rocky cedar]

I really really don't think so

[slow karma]

Well seems neither of us know for sure

[rocky cedar]

Mutants are maniacs they just also have a melee damage multiplier

[cloud heron]

ability cd, toughness regen, sniper res, gunner res are all good. plus toughness/health matching the base curio

[rocky cedar]

Which is why you don't do the same damage to them as ragers

I'm fairly certain mutants are only maniac

[cloud heron]

also block

[slow karma]

Well I'll hold off on things like that until we have raw data

Cuz I'm not just taking anyone's word for anything in this game anymore

[rocky cedar]

Never ever get ability CD

[slow karma]

Or do what you want

[rocky cedar]

3 perks for 3 seconds shaved off your Ult is a terrible deal

[long wharf]

toughness regen and sniper res are good

[rocky cedar]

Like objectively dogshit

[long wharf]

block efficiency is good, even if we aren't block tanks any more

[cloud heron]

i dunno, i ult a lot as psyker

[slow karma]

Your personal tastes are what take precedence here.

[lethal plover]

fast ult is always nice but there is an opportunity cost so you have to ask how much nice it is

[slow karma]

If you want that bit of time shaved off your ult, get it.

[rocky cedar]

That's a non entity of an argument

Some things are clearly more impactful than others

[slow karma]

I'm really not trying t convince you of abything

[rocky cedar]

You only do people a disservice to pretend all perks are equal

[slow karma]

I play games to have fun, not practice debate skills

[bitter jasper]

just saw this at the shop - can anyone appraise?

[slow karma]

What people have the most fun with are the things that matter most. Not what minmax shit is the best.

[cyan notch]

https://imgur.com/a/AR0Nxo4

[slow karma]

It's up to the individual to do the legwork and see what things they can use and still pull their weight

[lethal plover]

you can make your case without getting sidetracked by some objective / subjective thing
just make your case

and people will think about it

[slow karma]

Telling people to "never ever do X" is just self-important

[rocky cedar]

I fully agree about anything that involves actual gameplay difference. I chronically run Trauma even before the last patch but would never try to argue it's BiS

We're talking about almost unnoticeable stat increases though

That's not a playstyle choice

[proud mantle]

either of these worth getting on psyker from mr melk

idek how strict fire frenzy is

[cyan notch]

how much do u like guns

[proud mantle]

if i get it it'll be for the blessing and the cope that we can use items on different classes with shared inventory so

ig overall standing

[slow karma]

Well I guess I was half-right. :V I didn't even know this was so fine-grained when it comes to hitzones

[magic hull]

its worth it snatch it

[cyan notch]

id get the deadly accurate

[devout sentinel]

Nope. Guns get you (hopefully) kicked out of everything heresy+

[proud mantle]

yeah thats why i mentioned the addendum

[slow karma]

...

Fatshark, delete crossclass weapons.

[cyan notch]

t4 deadly accurate is pretty good if you can get it on your vet

slap it on mg xii

[rocky cedar]

Yeah ok Mutant is 100% maniac as expected

[lethal plover]

you're new aren't you

[slow karma]

Probably not, just opinionated

[rocky cedar]

What a shitty mentality

[slow karma]

And bad at gunpsyker

If you play one right, they're just as good as any staffweilder

[devout sentinel]

idc . sabotage your team on lower difficutlies

[lethal plover]

ok new player

[devout sentinel]

ye new player . meet me on damnation high diff with your crap as made up guns

[slow karma]

Who hurt you?

[rocky cedar]

AKA "I'm too bad to play with things I think are suboptimal"

[devout sentinel]

hypotetical players who play malice on avg idk . Guns do not support anything the psyker does.

[slow karma]

They don't have to

[lethal plover]

yeah we are not about to go through the whole alexander arc that spans weeks because of a new guy who doesn't know how the meta discussion has changed

[rocky cedar]

Playing only to optimise Damnation win rate. Damn what a boring ass way to play the game

[devout sentinel]

Thats fine. Play what you want. Thats why we wont see each other on higher diffs. Everyone has his own playstyle and term of "having fun"

[lethal plover]

and nobody cares for your malice talk.
gun psyker isn't even needed until damnation because of the gunmen

that's why I know you're new

[devout sentinel]

until damnation dang

[lethal plover]

the gunmen are only a threat on damnation

[cyan notch]

i mean people likely wont see each other anyway because of server regions

[slow karma]

I sure hope not. The less clownery like this I run into the better

[devout sentinel]

Yep. Clownery. Some ppl prefer to play efficient and want to spend their time ingame not with a gun psyker who cosplays a vet but want to be magical

[lethal plover]

cool, no one cares for your substanceless opinion

[rocky cedar]

Yes. Taking Damnation that seriously is definitely clownery

[lethal plover]

do a backreading of the whole channel. we have done gun psyker to death

[devout sentinel]

damnation is a joke but i want to play it chill and a gun psyker does same as a bot does

[cyan notch]

so damnation is a joke but you must only run what i tell you to run

[devout sentinel]

No ty. skip the topic

[rocky cedar]

This is such a nonsensical mix of takes

[devout sentinel]

We experiment as well in our runs. But we know how skilltrees and stuff works. What is efficient and works hand-in-hand with the given abitlites of the class.

[cloud heron]

was in a game and couldn't reply. anyway, I think you're underestimating how long 3 seconds is. Psyker ult has a lot of utility. Can stop trappers/flamers/shotgunners from firing, knocks dogs off of people, increases staff uptime, and obviously AB horde clear

[earnest peak]

i play on double secret damnation

[summer delta]

How does one get a staff for their psyker

[cloud heron]

you unlock the one everyone hates at like level 5 I think

[rocky cedar]

"Damnation is too easy but also don't you dare run anything suboptimal in my lobby I wanna play while high as fuck and not try too hard"

[summer delta]

Ah okay

[forest coral]

pray that daddy emperor drops one for you or the shop finally rotates one around

[cyan notch]

ok what if other people want to experiment too

[devout sentinel]

we do . but experiment and being a total sabotage for your team is a big difference . you guys wont ever understand as we have huge differences in how to play a game or have fun

[rocky cedar]

Eh still vastly less impactful than what else you could get for 3 perk slots otherwise IMO but run what you want

I strongly believe Ult regen at its current values is a complete joke though

[cloud heron]

What do you prefer?

[lethal plover]

to be fair, when you need to ult, you really need the ult, so there isn't a fair way to characterize the value
I have played many games with and without CD reduction (including the feat), and honestly I can live without reduction but when it's there I do notice the drop in pressure

[cyan notch]

how is changing just one weapon a "total sabotage" though

thats subjective too i guess

[bold flint]

[lethal plover]

this is another episode of "if you don't run surge on damn you're sabotaging the team"
we had that arc for a few days here

[rocky cedar]

More toughness, HP, toughness regen regen speed, stam recovery, sniper resist. I'd take any of those one 4% Ult regen

[cloud heron]

also, on the topic of ult CD, people sleep on quicken

[bold flint]

i like brainy bursty tho

[cloud heron]

I was running that when I was using the trauma staff and the staff uptime it gives is great

[devout sentinel]

What are you providing to the team a vet cant do as professional claimed gun-psyker ?

[rocky cedar]

How are you generating warp charges fast enough to feed that though?

[devout sentinel]

because im sure its 100% just for the fact "i can play him with gun POINT"

[rocky cedar]

I like the idea of it

[regal musk]

Aura as well. Makes super noticeable chunks of reduction lol

[lethal plover]

oh you are mistaking I care about you. just backread the channel. you're not even saying anything new we haven't gone through

[devout sentinel]

why would you need quicken if you have kinetic barrage and psykinetics aura ?

[cyan notch]

maybe they want to experiment with guns and see how it goes in practice yknow

[devout sentinel]

i know and you can do that but its just like asking the ogryn to take a staff... if you get that refference

[cyan notch]

maybe they want to answer that question themselves

i mean you dont know till you practice and experiment right

[cloud heron]

psychic communion and flayer. like don't expect to be back at 4 every time your ult is off CD but especially during hordes or stationary objectives you can get charges from communion pretty quick

[cyan notch]

and since damnation is a joke like you said it shouldnt be deal breaking

[devout sentinel]

You could be permanently at 4 charges with killing elites or enemies at range at the arrival of an new area anyways . Psyk aura+barrage

[rocky cedar]

Ok TBF if you're running quicken as well I can see how Ult regen perk could lead to significantly more ults

[devout sentinel]

not wasting your warps with quicken or blaze

[cloud heron]

charges are just a means to better staff uptime

[cyan notch]

blaze gets you your charges back pretty instantly

[devout sentinel]

Why would you want to spam your ult if you have no benefit ? No weapon style nor brain burst usage needs a perma spaming ult . Without barrage you are slow af

[cloud heron]

The benefit is it drops your peril, letting you cast more. Both trauma and surge benefit from it

[devout sentinel]

You want to surge hordes or what ?

[azure goblet]

lol fr

[cloud heron]

no, I want to keep CCing things

[wet jacinth]

Faster 50% peril quell.

[bold flint]

retaining your charges lets you cast more with peril gain resist

[devout sentinel]

Huh ? Like 0-100% and 1 Use of your F and the elites should be dead with your team

how many F's do you need for the guys to drop O.o

[cyan notch]

o.O

O.o

[wet jacinth]

○.o

[manic needle]

If you're using AB with Surge it's to help with horde clear imo, something that the Surge lacks on its own

[bold flint]

surge gaming

[devout sentinel]

thats why you have communication and get a purg or a flamethrower etc

[cloud heron]

Not really sure what you mean. I go through more than 100 peril in most fights

[devout sentinel]

or we speculate on hardcore solo gaming

[manic needle]

NO do the thing I like it's better 😡

[cyan notch]

bad thing about quicken is that it eats your charges if it didnt id probably consider it more

[rose lily]

what're the best stats for all 3 psyker curios if with purg staff, then with surge staff?

[azure goblet]

toughness regen curio perk works now, so im gonna test that tomorrow with 12% combat ability regen, psykinetics aura, ascendant blaze and my 520 rating purg staff. On the fence between 6 warp charges or kinetic flayer, seems my allies last hitting enemies can make it slightly difficult to get the max charges for the ult at 6, though that was malice so damnation it might work

[manic needle]

I cant think of any reason I'd want quicken in a build

[cloud heron]

We talked about it up above. I thought I had replied to you so the last notification should start the convo

[devout sentinel]

dang you guys are hypocrits . do the f you want

[wet jacinth]

lol..

[manic needle]

Not quite sure why me taking the piss makes me a hypocrite but hey you do you Mr. Very Serious.

[azure goblet]

regening to full toughness after 1 second of block with deflector blaze sword is pretty dope gotta say

[rose lily]

oh ok i never got tagged

[wet jacinth]

[lethal plover]

toughness regen will be tweaked again shortly so yeah

[cloud heron]

What staves do you usually use? Again, you should feel a difference with both trauma and spam casting surge

[lethal plover]

enjoy it while it lasts I guess

[azure goblet]

u mean in the next patch in 3 months xD

[lethal plover]

right if they take another vacation

[wet jacinth]

Bold of you to assume it would be 3 months

[azure goblet]

idk ppl at my work take vacation ~9 months/year

[manic needle]

I dont use Trauma and Surge generally doesnt have the kind of sustained usage where I would need massive F spam to quell with no other benefits

[cloud heron]

I dunno, all I can really say is to try it. I don't really mind losing kinetic flayer that much so maybe you'd feel the loss of it more than I do

[bold flint]

im just not sure i get it

[manic needle]

Do you mean Flayer or Barrage?

[cloud heron]

I did mean barrage yeah, my bad

[lethal plover]

that sounds interesting

[cloud heron]

the peril you lose from ult is way more than the peril you resist from holding the charges

[rose lily]

cheers
i did the math and even though ability cd is great, the max of %4 per curio reduces the 30-second cooldown by only 3.6 seconds, so down to 26.4 seconds

[rose lily]

what about 2 wounds and 1 health or toughness instead of all health or toughness bases?

[manic needle]

Oh okay. Barrage with a surge is good for dealing with elites, but if Im going to lose my stacks on F then I think AB is a better tradeoff generally

[cloud heron]

Wounds are typically not good. It's better to have more health or toughness to avoid going down in the first place

[lethal plover]

honestly my games often demand me kill bulwarks and high-value ranged elites quickly so barrage is ingrained in me. it has become 2nd nature

[long wharf]

I think the 6:1 and 6:2 feats shouldn't consume warp charges

[bold flint]

like, i quell a lot like i'd reload a gun and that makes peril resist worth a lot more than flat peril quelling

[manic needle]

I think AB is fine because you usually end up refunding some or all of your stacks

Quicken would be better if it had some sort of seperate CD instead of consuming charges, maybe?

It could even just be a free use of F every once in a while

[cloud heron]

Well it depends on the way you're quelling obviously but if you're quelling in combat then ult + quietitude can keep you involved in the fight longer and with less downtime

[long wharf]

warp charge consumption is contrary to the slow generation of warp charges (outside AB)

[cloud heron]

"way you're quelling" meaning what you're doing while quelling

[bold flint]

maybe if quicken turned all your warp charges into like, psyker charges that did the same thing as warp charges but dont count towards quicken

then that would be cool

[cloud heron]

for the record i'd still take a 4 charge AB with surge over quicken, but it's not a bad combo. For trauma it's great.

[regal musk]

I'd rather see the Wrath effect be more powerful in a wider arc based on the charges consumed.

[rose lily]

yeah, beefing him up is always a good idea but i figure he's pretty squishy even with a 60% health increase

[vernal portal]

Can someone clarify Terrifying Barrage - is the suppression radius around you or the thing that died? For example, if you kill something with left click from a distance, does the suppression happen where it dies?

[cloud heron]

I mean if you're going down a lot then take a wound but if you really need two then you should probably drop down a difficulty until you're more comfortable with dodging.

[long wharf]

having a single wound curio is a good idea for when you're learning how the game works

[frozen osprey]

If you use the feat that regenerates 30% toughness over 5 seconds on a brain burst, will regeneration stack if you get multiple brain bursts within 5 seconds?

[long wharf]

and trying to push into higher difficulties

but if you find that you need that extra wound, you're not ready for that difficulty

[long wharf]

no

[frozen osprey]

ending it all

[long wharf]

while the feat is triggered, you gain 30% toughness over 5s

that timer resets whenever you gain a warp charge

you just keep the 6% toughness per second gain going

[regal musk]

The close range part means you. The target has to die near enough to you to be considered close range.
Which makes it kinda hard to tell if the suppression is centered on you or the victim.
To me it feels like the victim is the center of the radius, since ive seen things get suppressed a fair distance from myself

[frozen osprey]

So if im getting a ton of brainbursts the instant 10% will (most likely) provide me more overall?

[rose lily]

terrifying barrage seems redundant on a purg, thoughts?

[bold flint]

you cant brainburst forever, essence harvest would still be the better pick

if you were using a void staff and get like 10 poxwalker kills then thats when you would want warp absorbtion

[long wharf]

essence harvest is effective when you're constantly getting warp charges when you need them

[regal musk]

Yes and no? I had a Puyrge staff with Barrage for a while. It suppresses stuff a fair distance to the sides of the stream and behind you where the stream wouldnt normally suppress

[frozen osprey]

Im getting passive brainbursts from the feat which gives a 10% on attack + purgatus

[long wharf]

but that's not a blanket statement, because it's common to not be getting warp charges when you need toughness right now

[frozen osprey]

But which is essence harvest if you would be so kind as to remind me

[long wharf]

1:1

[bold flint]

Replenish 30% Toughness over 5 seconds on gaining Warp Charge.

[frozen osprey]

Oh. Duh.

So I ought to keep with essence harvest then?

[rose lily]

right, i'm not going down a lot but shit happens, bad luck happens
what is the unaltered health of a psyker? 100?

[bold flint]

guess so

[regal musk]

Its why i prefer Quietitude tbh. That and EH feel pretty well balanced generally in terms of both offering really good toughnmess supply.
The Warp Attack kill one just feels meh .. Almost like it only counts 1 kill towards even in an AoE kill scenario but i didnt test this for long

[bold flint]

though i use neither and go for quietude 🙂

[long wharf]

yep, I prefer quietude, except with void

with void, and trauma, I guess, you're constantly killing mobs

[regal musk]

I still run it even on my Purgatus lol.

[bold flint]

gets me by when shooters are shooting at me and i repeek them every time with more toughness

[vernal portal]

Interesting, thanks

[cyan notch]

150

[regal musk]

Kinda funny seeing Veteren just have better base stats ojn practically everything compared to other classes XD

[bold flint]

their stamina regen delay is dookie

and damage taken while sprinting hurts

[rose lily]

thanks dude

[slow karma]

Uh, was the plugin not updated yet?

I could swear I've seen people screenshotting it today

[vagrant cedar]

cause it's the noob class

low skill cap

[cyan notch]

its updated on firefox

[slow karma]

Ah ok

I'll probably go install it there then

[north cradle]

Man, why can't Psyker get a shotgun or braced autogun

[regal musk]

Shotgun staff when

[north cradle]

Like a mini Psyker ult?

[regal musk]

No, just a staff whose secondary just shotgun blasts of warpfire 😛

[north cradle]

Wait a minute that's just Purgatus primary fire

[regal musk]

Not really what i was thinking lol.
Just imagine a shotguns pellets butr replace the pellets with little balls of warp fire 😛

[rough egret]

should i reroll the melee crit chance to stamina?

[spice veldt]

if you're not running kinetic deflection and you want to block for days, i suppose

[cyan notch]

nah crit is good

[rough egret]

i actually am using KD hehe

ok ill keep it as crit

[spice veldt]

they made it so that you don't get guardbroken while at 0 stamina if blocking with KD

[cyan notch]

ds have very high crit multiplier

[spice veldt]

so you're pretty safe in melee with KD now

[rough egret]

ooooh i didnt realize that

[cyan notch]

if anything u can swap block eff for stamina

[spice veldt]

yeah it's a super sweet change

[rough egret]

ya i onoly have 2 stamina with sword out lol

felt like i need more

[spice veldt]

yeah in case the game throws 3 bursters at you

[regal musk]

5 minutes of reroll spam to get the toughness regen speed on my curio. Does it just have an absurdly low chance to appear?

[cyan notch]

as t4 yes

as t3 no

[regal musk]

No that was to get it to appear once at +15%

[cyan notch]

yea ur just unlucky

[regal musk]

Story of my life. Yay.

[still hearth]

Do note that T3 and T4 are marginally the same atm due to the bug

[wheat quartz]

eh, what bug?

did the same intern who typed in the fire frenzy 3 data do it again

[still hearth]

Their additive scaling is off

[wheat quartz]

ah

[still hearth]

So while one curio is fine

They stack 1.2 +1.2 +1.2

For a total of 3.6x

[wheat quartz]

...

[still hearth]

Instead of 1.6

[wheat quartz]

WTF did they not write any unit tests

[still hearth]

They just used the wrong formula basically

[wheat quartz]

I know, but that's why you write unit tests ;_;

[regal musk]

Code mistakes are fun

[still hearth]

So even T3s are 1.15 + 1.15 +1.15 = 3.45x

[wheat quartz]

gg

no wonder I felt like an immortal god

with three +20%s

[still hearth]

And if you run Knife the delay is 0.8s base and 3x regen while still

[compact cargo]

They don't test or proof read

[gaunt stone]

what are the best blessings for combat axe?

[compact cargo]

limbsplitter and brutal momentum

[still hearth]

So you'd have a 10.8x regen with knife being still

[forest coral]

brutal momentum me beloved

[still hearth]

[wheat quartz]

immortal knife for everyone

[still hearth]

Y'all insane if you do limbsplitter and brutal momentum ngl

[forest coral]

knife build is gacha

[compact cargo]

It's the 4th axe I get to gold that has it, so may as well appreciate it

[cyan notch]

brutal momentum is always good shred is also good thrust is decent for chunking big targets and decimator too

[still hearth]

At least it's not limbsplitter + decimator

[compact cargo]

[still hearth]

Brutal momentum isn't great because axe cleave damage is bad

Or if you push attack the damage is capped at 3 targets anyways

And the use case of limbsplitter is to mostly spam push attacks anyways right

[gaunt stone]

thoughts on this base?

[cyan notch]

still good because hitting more targets = more stagger and crowd control and you can punch through mixed hordes

[rose lily]

i say dump it, burn ticks and DOT is a pretty poor stat. while quell speed is a great thing to have, you can switch to the staff just for fast quell

[still hearth]

It's basically perfect except damage should be swapped to Quell speed

[gaunt stone]

so its trash

got it

lol

[still hearth]

No

Quell speed is also a dump stat

Burn and Cloud Radius are prio, then Warp Resist and last Quell Speed

[worthy zealot]

Is it me or did they nerf the brain burst damage?

[still hearth]

It's definitely a benefit but I'm not sure if it's even half as useful as people think it is. Given that Psykers can easily spam the shove attack you should be staggering anything that isn't stagger resistant and those who are won't be staggered by the axe swing unless you use the special.

But I've never liked the axes so I haven't played them much.

[cyan notch]

idk bout the other combat axes but antax push attack will stagger attacking ragers

so if ur in a mixed horde and dont have brutal momentum up and your swing gets stopped by trash it wont stagger the rager

[still hearth]

That's definitely a reasonable upside.

And Axe blessings suck anyway so

[fierce sinew]

The push attack is the main thing of course but limbsplitter juicing up your first heavy attack is super comfy when it means you only need the one

also makes it more forgiving to use against singleton random mobs, you can miss heads and often kill them just the same

it definitely grew on me

[compact cargo]

On achlyl it's heavy into push and antax it's just better to block cancel light

[rose lily]

i disagree, the burn stats are pretty weak and the % difference give very little actual change

[still hearth]

Cool, but you're wrong. The burn stat is the most damage you get from the staff, especially against bigger targets. Damage is the one that changes the least from 0-80

76%+ and you have max stacks possible.

[rose lily]

i'm not wrong, you're wrong - look at the difference between say 53% burn and 80% for number of ticks and DOT

[winter shard]

just wondering what the best blessing are for a force sword

[compact cargo]

You are both wrong

You should focus cloud

[fierce sinew]

burn>cloud>warp res=quell speed>>>>>>damage

[still hearth]

They had literally 80 in cloud and burn but this dude is like "low quell it's bad"

[rose lily]

yeah cloud actual has a pretty significant change in range

[winter shard]

idk why you guys are focusing on the stats for the staff, best way i found to use it is as a melee weapon with the bash

[cyan notch]

yea this psyker is definitely in a dream

[compact cargo]

High Quel is bad, because it makes you vent too fast, making you sus, you can just swap to melee too

[rose lily]

unlocking the secrets of the game - tell us more Secret Breaker

[still hearth]

[cyan notch]

[fresh reef]

jfc

we ball

[cyan notch]

not bad

[winter shard]

jfc? is that like kfc?

[rose lily]

swapping to melee does nowhere near the same quel speed as just quelling on the staff for a few seconds then back to firing

[winter shard]

back to the topic of force swords, just wondering what the best blessing are for them

[rose lily]

deflector for 1, that's a must, with max block cost reduction

[still hearth]

Okay but quelling to zero isn't required to keep firing so

[spice veldt]

deflector + slaughterer

[rose lily]

right, that's why i said just quell for a few seconds, with faster quell speed that becomes actually effective

[spice veldt]

preferably, you also have a FS where the damage/finesse/first target stats are around 70/70/70 so that you can kill certain enemies with two hits on damnation

very annoying to get the ball rolling on slaughterer with a badly rolled FS

[fierce sinew]

you prefer higher if you can get it

[spice veldt]

ye

[fierce sinew]

warp res is dump stat af on force sword

[spice veldt]

i run quietude so the low warp res is especially nice

i also like to run into ranged enemies so mobility is extra nice

[fierce sinew]

you almost hate to see a good roll there, just looks like wasted stat

[still hearth]

Which is better than direct damage but worse than burn since more stacks is more overall DPS to big targets

[spice veldt]

80% mobility does feel like a world apart, esp with the extra dodge distance

[still hearth]

Quell also scales in a weird way so even at 80% your quell isn't significantly faster than a mid roll

[rose lily]

i disagree, show me where it proves that it's decidedly more overall DPS to big targets than smaller targets
also if there's big targets it's probably a much better idea to BB them with or without kinetic barrage

[fierce sinew]

it's more damage period

[rose lily]

baaaarely

[still hearth]

Between 20-30 damage per stack per tick

[rose lily]

where is there anything about big targets in there?

[fierce sinew]

it's actually the opposite of barely, because of the nonlinear way the stacks scale the ones at the top add much more each

[still hearth]

Damn that was some quick goalpost moving

[rose lily]

and go test this in psykhanium to see for yourself, instead of just looking at these stats

[still hearth]

Maybe it's because big targets have more HP

So the damage actually matters

If you bring it just to kill schmoes then whatever

[rose lily]

again, and go test this in psykhanium to see for yourself, instead of just looking at these stats

[still hearth]

I have

[idle bay]

Does soulburn do ANYTHING at all to monstrosities?

[still hearth]

Yes

[rose lily]

@still hearth so have i and the difference between 50%ish and 75%ish is pretty weak

[still hearth]

They're unyielding

[idle bay]

To just tickles their balls a bit

[compact cargo]

https://tenor.com/view/moving-goal-posts-field-football-field-gif-15163513

[fierce sinew]

it's pretty decent damage on them, the mistake people make is not knowing when they've capped stacks and extra flaming isn't helping (because as has been established, the non-DoT damage of purgatus is irrelevant)

[still hearth]

It's not irrelevant actually. It's just not worth prioritising.

[compact cargo]

Doesn't non DoT damage affect your special, letting you 2htk groaners?

[regal musk]

The non DoT damage of purgatus lets me stunluck Maulers and Ragers at pointblank range while the DoT tears them apart. So theres value to keeping the stream going.

[fierce sinew]

what you're meant to do is apply max stacks, AB to overcap, switch to your melee weapon, and only switch back to stop stacks falling off

[idle bay]

It's betetr to chop mini-bosses with an Axe than to mantain 30 stacks?

[still hearth]

It does like 50 DPS but the scaling is terrible

[fierce sinew]

you can get a lot of melee hits in and maintain stacks, you probably aren't getting to 30 though unless you're soloing it

[still hearth]

You can't maintain soulblaze stacks with staff

It stops at the staff cap

[fierce sinew]

it still refreshes I'm fairly sure

[still hearth]

Nah I tried

You can go into Psyk and test it easily

Unless it has something to do with crits

That might refresh more

Because crits are weird

[fierce sinew]

it might be, I'm fairly sure I've outlasted the decay with left clicks

but in the meat grinder things die too quickly to get multiple decays

and I can't say I did it with zero crits

[still hearth]

I didn't try it extensively but on crusher it didn't work when I did it

[fierce sinew]

again not adding more, but maintained 21

[still hearth]

I'll hide here, Zealot chat is angry

[fierce sinew]

in any case, the dubious refreshability of overcap stacks notwithstanding, you still have plenty of time to cap stacks, switch, hit with axe for a bit, switch back to maintain, etc

[regal musk]

Zealots are funny.
Like the one that just charged past 3 Reapers, 2 Gunners and a Horde at the Bridge of Martyrs and got dogged at the very end of the bridge lol

[fierce sinew]

just to circle back to the original point about how good soulblaze is against unyielding depending on your ability to upkeep it while also doing productive damage otherwise, which just sitting and flaming a capped monstrosity generally isn't (unless there are adds, obviously)

[still hearth]

Yeah for sure

I think you do max damage on soulblaze for like 3-4s

Before it decays

[fierce sinew]

it's something like that, maybe a bit longer

I usually put in two or three limbsplitter heavies, swap left click repeat

and just left click while you kite it if you have aggro

[still hearth]

Oh

Don't pull out the limbsplitter

It reduces burn DoT

[compact cargo]

Limbsplitter saves the day again

Doesn't it also reduce voidstrike projectile damage?

[still hearth]

It's very weird though since you get the damage boost inconsistently

I'm pretty sure limbsplitter always gives -20% power but when you do your first attack it swaps to +20% instead for that swing

[compact cargo]

It also applies to bashes

don't want to push attack with it either

[still hearth]

[cyan notch]

nah staffs cant maintain higher than 15 stacks

itll just drop down to 15 even if u keep flaming

[cyan notch]

the direct flame damage also isnt insignificant

[fierce sinew]

then I have no idea what I did, I'll try to recreate it later. I do maintain that the direct flame damage is pretty insignificant insofar as the bar moves more when I swap

[cyan notch]

310 ticks

[fierce sinew]

but now I'm wondering if that's because I'm inadvertently buffing the DoT with limbsplitter, since the boosted attack is what I'm doing for most of the time it's out

[cyan notch]

also it depends on your melee and how close you are to the boss

[fierce sinew]

definitely

[cyan notch]

considering bosses have most hitzones with 0.6 melee

and if u have like a ds or something probably sucks

[warm dagger]

this worth it as a pysker?

it kinda contradicts itself but i heard the lacerate was really good, this info is probably outdated though since i havent played in about a month and a half

[uneven drift]

Lacerate good on zealot. Never was good on anything else tbh.

[warm dagger]

Oh okay gotchya 👍

[uneven drift]

Well, you still can play with this if you want to and have fun.

[lost river]

Dont join my damnation games with it though pls

[still hearth]

Lacerate is okay vs bosses and Unyielding in general

[warm dagger]

oh hell nah i aint doing damnation with it LOL, already tried it once and not fun

[still hearth]

Don't listen to these losers, Damnation is easy

[lost river]

when the servers dont kill themselves

[warm dagger]

they didnt nerf damnation did they?

[fierce sinew]

yeah if ever there was a time to bring memes to damnation it's now

[lost river]

no

[cyan notch]

lacerate is great on bosses

[warm dagger]

okay good

[cyan notch]

you can spam lights or push attacks

[still hearth]

Skill issue

[fierce sinew]

damnation specifically isn't nerfed, the difficulty of the game in general is

[warm dagger]

oh?

[still hearth]

Time to record damnation with gray knife and laspistol on Psyker

[fierce sinew]

shooters are much easier to interact with now, and toughness regen curios currently give you a trivializing amount of toughness per unit of time

[fresh reef]

I wouldn't say nerfed, so much as fixed

[fierce sinew]

I would say the distinction between the two is bullshit

irrespective of what the design intent was, is or will be, it is less difficult now than it was

[uneven drift]

Well, when curio toughness regen will be patched it will fall more in line i guess.

[fresh reef]

while that is a fair and valid point

muh semantics

[true shadow]

im still mad

[fierce sinew]

that's exactly my reaction when anyone says um ackhtually, [one] is more of a [the other]

[true shadow]

UH WELL ACTUALLY IT'S MORE OF...

too many periods before

I THINK IT'S JUST KIND OF...

WELL YOU'RE CLOSE BUT ACTUALLY

i just want deflector revive back.

[cyan notch]

its a pretty clear nerf

[fresh reef]

🤓 - me

[true shadow]

it's all i want

[fierce sinew]

an observation more bereft of any actual content may have been made in a videogame context before

[cyan notch]

they intended for those pre patch suppression values to be what they were

[fierce sinew]

but I can't think of what it is

[cyan notch]

and it was overtuned so they nerfed it

[round charm]

did they reduce enemy hp or something?

[true shadow]

i am a simple man with simple needs

[fierce sinew]

no, they changed suppression values

[true shadow]

WITH NO RESPECT, FUCK YOU https://gyazo.com/10e9a57431c6896358a9fcea1526b65e

hahahahaha

[round charm]

did they fix dreg gunners?

[true shadow]

fucking blazing spirit

[fresh reef]

ya

[steel egret]

Pained laughter

[fresh reef]

suppression went from 0.35s to 2.5s iirc

[true shadow]

i mean its ok i have this but like

https://gyazo.com/fd86f4810cd5ee3bc3df43b84330e7e0

im so tired of blazing spirit

and uncanny strike

[fresh reef]

are you playing with a colorblind mode?

[true shadow]

no i'm playing with reshade and i don't have all my filters enabled because they fuck up the screenshot

[fresh reef]

ah

[cyan notch]

dt doesnt even have a colourblind mode

at least i dont think

[steel egret]

Dont think it does

[true shadow]

that's right

[ornate hamlet]

The other way around.

They used to be suppression immune for 2.75-3.25 s

After they got out of suppression

Now they are only immune 0.25-0.5s

And due to how suppression decay works that meant that unless you were literally constantly suppressing them they would immediately become immune

So now they won't be immune for long, at least.

[fresh reef]

gotcha, ty

[ornate hamlet]

They also adjusted all the other shooting units as well so now all ranged units are considerably easier to suppress

Even shotgunners though I've never seen them actually be suppressed

[cyan notch]

is this the good mk

[ornate hamlet]

Are there good Recon Lasguns?

I thought they were all mid or bad.

[cyan notch]

the less bad one then

i know theres one thats pretty bad

[ornate hamlet]

I think one uses 3 ammo per shot and one uses 2 ammo per shots

But the 3 ammo does more damage(?)

I've barely touched them since they're so inefficient

And the blessings fixes made it so you can't even increase cleave on them to clear hordes faster

[obtuse crypt]

only the tan uses 2 per shot the others use one per

[ornate hamlet]

Interesting

[fresh reef]

is deflector really that necessary to have on FS?

like, it seems nice to have occasionally, but not really essential

[spice veldt]

i'd say that's the general sentiment yeah

[ornate hamlet]

I'd say its far from essential

But is a big QoL

[spice veldt]

pre-patch, the ranged block during revive was pretty big

[ornate hamlet]

Then again I've not had a Deflector so

https://tenor.com/view/anime-cry-hinagiku-tears-kunoichi-tsubaki-no-mune-no-uchi-in-the-heart-of-kunoichi-tsubaki-gif-26069784

But it works fine on Damnation without it

[spice veldt]

i recently had a game where I had to actually kite enemies during the cryorod mid-event when my team died instead of beelining to revive them because I actually get blasted by ranged enemies during revs now

[fresh reef]

I hardly find it useful tbh

since its upside is negated entirely by just, having cover lol

[spice veldt]

imagine being in cover

[winter shard]

i hardly find it at all, so i can't say a thing

[fresh reef]

infinite dodges help

[spice veldt]

it's amazing

[fresh reef]

honestly infinite dodges is kinda fuckin insane. never realized how much shit you can get away with without a dodge limit

[spice veldt]

especially since it instantly rejuvenates your dodges if you swap to the FS

[fresh reef]

plus the ability to knock a crusher on its ass at the cost of 3 peril

[ornate hamlet]

It does?

Time to run Laspistol FS

[spice veldt]

oh not in that way

[ornate hamlet]

And dodge around like a monkey spider

[spice veldt]

like your dodge counter is still like 0 for your other weapons

[ornate hamlet]

Ah so its just normal

[spice veldt]

if you dodge like 5 times on your FS, you won't have your staff dodges if you swap back

[ornate hamlet]

Dodge Counter is separate per weapon yes.

This is normal for all weapons

[spice veldt]

ye

[ornate hamlet]

I wish Fsword reset your dodges

[spice veldt]

but if I'm like kiting the beast of nurgle, it's super nice to have the FS

[ornate hamlet]

So you could just dodge well

The Fsword backwards dodge is just like 3x as long as the side dodges

Which is silly

[fresh reef]

moonwalk to kite the horde tide

[ornate hamlet]

The side dodges are tiny and then you dodge backwards and you go flying

I'm pretty sure that's the same for every weapon

[spice veldt]

huh, i never noticed that discrepancy between the directional dodges

[ornate hamlet]

But it just feels more on Fsword

If you dodge backwards on Fsword you move at near sprint speed

[fresh reef]

female Seer actually has a line where she calls a horde a tide. I forget the exact verbiage but it was a real roll credits moment

fun void fact: the hitbox spawns inside of your chest, not at the end of the weapon; meaning that because the hitbox is so absurdly large, you can use it to hit the random melee mob that spawned behind you

[spice veldt]

so even if you aim up, it'll still hit enemies that are hugging you?

styling on enemies

[ornate hamlet]

I wonder if that isn't how all projectiles work.

[fresh reef]

Further testing needed

Weirdly, I've only ever done this in a mission and not tested in grinder lol

[fresh reef]

Likely

[spice veldt]

enemies in the psykanium don't need to be disrespected like this

[fresh reef]

But science :(

[ornate hamlet]

They're figments of imagination anyway

[fresh reef]

Sometimes I forget that scubawoman has to consciously manifest the thousands of crushers I'm dps testing against

[spice veldt]

watching me push-attack the crusher repeatedly to test the stagger timer on him

[fresh reef]

"You're a curious one"

[spice veldt]

i'm not a bully i swear

science

[fresh reef]

The one thing I still haven't tested is whether or not you can tank a crusher's big slam

Someone told me it could be done specifically with parry

I'm not going to try that, since not simply dodging it is actively trolling, but still

If anyone wants to confirm or deny that rumor, would love to hear it

[spice veldt]

i'm inclined to think that they're pulling your legs, but it would be an interesting idea if blocking at the right moment allows you to block certain unblockables

would make blocking a bit strong though prob

[fresh reef]

I'd think the same

But just maybe

[spice veldt]

if you're fine with going down to 0 toughness, you could technically test it without dying

[fresh reef]

I'm about 80% sure slam actually penetrates toughness

Like sniper shots

[spice veldt]

nah i'm 60% sure that it doesn't

i've survived some overheads with my toughness depleted

[steel egret]

It just drains toughness first.

[spice veldt]

so it presumably follows the normal melee mechanics

[fresh reef]

I just picked up a spicy looking mk9 catachan, so I'll see if I can't get a dead lobby tomorrow to test

[spice veldt]

ah catachan parry

[ornate hamlet]

There's a list of all enemy attack types

Crusher overhead does not ignore Toughness

But it does 300 damage base

So even if you're missing just a small amount

It can still pancake you

Missing 10 Toughness without toughness curios? That's 30 damage

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/10f40uz/all_enemy_attacks_damage_values_healthtoughness/

So Psyker without curio boosts

Will die from having less than 50% toughness if a Crusher hits you with an overhead

From full HP.

On Damnation

[slow karma]

I mean ok

That should probably happen to everyone

That overhead is so telegraphed it's dumb. Sure you can still get hit by it but lets be real, it's the slowest shit in the game.

it should probably be able to ace most setups if they're not topped off

O wait, I'm missing some context. God, there's a lot of numbers in this game I can't keep up with lol

But yeah, still, that's just like one of the hardest hitting things in the entire game, it's gonna slap you to the ground pretty reliably

[cyan notch]

sometimes they do the tracking long overhead where u have to dodge at the end

[slow karma]

Yeah the timing can be tricky

[uneven drift]

And then some little fucker block your dodge and you got hit

[unreal flower]

Hello! Ogryn player who's trying to learn psyker here. I've been hearing mixed opinions on the Surge Staff but got this beauty in the shop earlier today. I'm wondering what blessings and perks to aim towards. Cheerio

[ornate hamlet]

The Crit one should be good.

For blessings

[uneven drift]

You don't need any since Surge is CC mashine and don't rely heavy on perks and blessing. My way to go will be crit chance.

[ornate hamlet]

It does a lot on crits so crit chance is also good.

And its anti armor so flak or carapace is nice too.

Otherwise its mostly for CC

But its definitely lacking in terms of DPS so you're fine to just keep things stunned (if your team actually does something with it)

[delicate smelt]

yes Beloved, he does need to aim for carapace/flak or unyielding + warp flurry /warp nexus.

[uneven drift]

Warp flurry doesn't work on surge.

Mb for future, if FS will bother to fix

[delicate smelt]

my bad i meant terrifying barrage

[drowsy fog]

so kd got nerfed

[unreal flower]

Thanks for the great input 🙂

[drowsy fog]

whats the consensus on it after?

[delicate smelt]

its still good, just not broken to the point where you could solo tank daemonhosts

[ornate hamlet]

Unless you use the black arts

[drowsy fog]

guessing being compelled to use non-force with it isnt much of a thing anymore

[uneven drift]

It's kinda bad for Surge too since you not kill anything in close range with it. Surge and staves in general have a very-very few blessings that actually do anything for them.

[delicate smelt]

yeah psyker needs a lot of looking into.

[unreal flower]

That's good to know. Feels nice that the staves doesn't have required blessing that makes or breaks them

I guess?

[ornate hamlet]

Most ranged weapons are that way tbh.

[delicate smelt]

as it stands surge staff psyker is there for the CC.

[ornate hamlet]

Either they're just good, or they're just bad.

A few have blessings that make them okay instead of bad, or great instead of good.

[delicate smelt]

at least brain burst will target enemies through ogryn-sized holes in fences now so weeee...

[uneven drift]

As stated it's more about ranged weapons in general. But yeah, for psyker only "game changer"(not that much tbh) is void with transfer peril. Other than that is usually whatever you got, but Warp nexus usually most desirable since it at least have an actual impact on the weapon. But enjoy your run n gun with terrifying barrage

[delicate smelt]

run n gun on a staff is so counterintuitive, so im supposed to sprint towards enemies while im a squishy psyker?

psyker are not right in the head by lore but thats pushing it.

[unreal flower]

Thank you!

[uneven drift]

No problem, mate.

[idle bay]

Yes! You spam LMB (provides massive suppression) while running toward squad of shooter dregs, making it realtively safe to break a distance with them from long to hugging range and then you hope that they switch to melee mode for an easy killing

Which they do 50/50, some still keep shooting you right in the face from 1m distance

[ornate hamlet]

Stalkers (short range enemies) will more likely shoot you

Shooters (long range enemies) will charge you from 10m away

Because

https://tenor.com/view/paripi-koumei-eiko-tsukimi-thumbs-up-anime-gif-25479338

That's actually their AI as well, not just memes.

[idle bay]

Stalkers are the subjects for Surge staff zapping - no need to go hugging with them 🙂

[ornate hamlet]

Just use XII and kill all of them

[idle bay]

Yeah show all those useless vets how to kill shooters instead of wanking in the corner with revolver 🙂

[delicate smelt]

i mean thats fine and all if your goal is mainly to get the psyker penant of exploding next to 3 elites.

penance*

[ornate hamlet]

XII kills anything that isn't in carapace. But yeah I'd not need to run it if Veterans actually wanted to be useful.

But two guns shooting shooters > one gun shooting shooters

[idle bay]

That is relatively easily done with random team from LFG channel when you ask in advance what to do, and have some voice communication 🙂 Just remember that gunners and shotgunners are the best elites for this penance - they can be easily bullied by puhs-attacs into a nice pile and then you go boom

And regardless of difficulty you always kill them with Peril Explosion

One of the best maps to do it - Chasm Terminus, if it's Low Intensity - it will be a lot easier - less trash and special to distract you

And same number of elites

[idle bay]

Currently trying out Infantry autogun instead of XII, trickier to use, but still capable of same speed of long range kills along with auto-fire sweeps. Volley fire allows to compensate for autogun "dancing".

XII is getting stale after few dozens of missions 🙂

[ornate hamlet]

I run Agrip brauto on Veteran

Its hilarious to drop into a horde of shooters and one-man army them

[idle bay]

I currently rest on my Psyker - he have enough materials and currencies stashed. I'm on a vet break - and need to beef up his gear

[cyan notch]

shared currency when

someone say the line

[idle bay]

Never! It's immesurably complex

Damn.. it hits even better than "Sense pride and accomplishment" from EA. To think of it Fatshark is outEAed the EA!

[delicate smelt]

buzz, buzz buzz buzz buzz...

[uneven drift]

Send money to my ogryn, i broke and can't buy 380 things that store gives me

[cyan notch]

sell some stuff?

[uneven drift]

I sold everything that i can. I wanted to sell curios, but i can't unequip them

[clear heath]

speedrun a run rn for dockets

you have 39 minutes
plenty of time

if you're fast enough you could do 2 runs

38 minutes

[uneven drift]

Yeah, but i have a problem that i'm at work

[clear heath]

tell them you suddenly got sick and run home

sneeze on your boss and sprint out of there

[steel egret]

Just defecate and start crying

say you have to go

[uneven drift]

Seems reasonable

[steel egret]

If they call, just say you are returning some books.

[sand marsh]

is exorcist bugged on force swords?

doesn't seem to work

[ornate hamlet]

no clue, i use axe

[dense vault]

So what´s the point of the dueling swords? Been trying a few and they just feel awfully lacking

I get that they are quite mobile weapons but that´s about all they felt like they had going on for them

[floral solstice]

decent single target with heavies, mobility

esp. mk v's mobility + overheads

[cyan notch]

good block decent horde clear and elite damage

and shred works very well on them

[wet jacinth]

[dense vault]

I got lucky with the milkman and got myself one of those heavy axes with brutal momentum and power with repeated hits and been mulching everything with that

[wet jacinth]

Name of axe?

[dense vault]

think it was the achlys one

the one with wider sweep attacks and heavies being overhead strikes

this one, misremembered it

[floral solstice]

ahh welp the blessings are good but that axe has broken head priority or whatever you call it

[dense vault]

yeah it does feel like it´s a bit odd hitting heads with that

i´m generally mulching hordes with voidstaff or shooting things with surgestaff anyway most of the time

purgatus is decent too ofc, but usually i am more useful to my team if i focus on murdering ranged enemies

[idle bay]

And this is my AXE

[lucid horizon]

is this normal?

[floral solstice]

lol

[wet jacinth]

I wanna say yes

But no

[idle bay]

Fatshark level of normality, yes.

[placid sorrel]

im a goddamn psyker melk

[lucid horizon]

love the new update 🤘

[wet jacinth]

Gunsyker*

[placid sorrel]

[wet jacinth]

Then again none of those variants are exactly great for a Gunpsyker

[dense vault]

another one gets milked 😛

[floral solstice]

lol there's a crucian zealot on my team rn

who's gonna tell him

[floral solstice]

you can murder shooters in mid range if you get close enough + high cloud radius stat

[steel egret]

Bad news psyker

You gonna end up arguing with him rest of run

" it still works"

[dense vault]

true well enough, i just normally have better luck using voidstrike or surge with pubs or with buddies

usually people know how to fight hordes

[steel egret]

Usually

[wet jacinth]

[dense vault]

yup, the quotation marks are invisible 😄

[wet jacinth]

usually.

sees bad Psykers get folded like Omelets

[idle bay]

Though i like this axe more. Thrust actually working and giving a significant damage buff

[steel egret]

Knife zealot downs to first pack he ran to as fast he could.

Gonna be a good run

[dense vault]

no brain no worries

it´s easier to remain loyal to the end if the end comes hella fast 😄

[idle bay]

Did he dodge even once? Most of knife zealots fail to read the build manual 🙂

Because they can't read

[steel egret]

Hard to say as guys HP went rather fast.

I would wager no

[idle bay]

I admit there are zealot that good with knife but they are very few and their population dwindling with each day of "in few months"

[wet jacinth]

Knife zealots are like 30/70 to be Good or bad.

Build is nice for sure but doesn't particularly allow people to learn dodging and etc. Just because they've got that dmg reduction

[regal musk]

The bad just dont realize the 75% DR only applies to toughness XD

[wet jacinth]

Ye

[grim magnet]

the duelling sword should get a parry as its q

not a shitty stab

[wet jacinth]

Dueling sword feels like a weak copy of Saltzpyre Rapier

Except. No crit headshot being a guaranteed kill on man-sized enemies

Then again