psyker-class

[cyan notch]

yes lol

[wet belfry]

Its our clip now

[rocky cedar]

It still makes me laugh watching it

Thanks for blessing us with that

[ornate hamlet]

they are burning horde to death, as the zombies they they award toughness because of warp absorption (they're killing 6 to 12 each channeled, which means 10% toughness x 6 (60% of bar), or 10% x 12 (fill toughness)

it's not just the regen "fix"

it's melting hoard with purg staff while using warp absorption

[cyan notch]

its essence harvest

[uneven drift]

Yes, it;s reported. Basically every class suffer from this.

[cyan notch]

you can see the icon at the bottom

[rocky cedar]

EH is 6% per second, doesn't stack

[jovial quail]

@uneven drift Thank god, haven't been on since like december but its like worse than when the surge staff got its visuals updated from what I saw in a video lol

[ornate hamlet]

hm....

i guess it's just the regen "fix" then

shrug

[jovial quail]

also, Purgaturus staff now proccs Warp Absorption?

[rocky cedar]

You are truly cracked in the head if you think that's doing anything to offset that much gunner fire on Damnation

[boreal cave]

Eh is regen over time so + the percent on that too

?

[cyan notch]

you can see at the end when i get dogged how fast i regen after that

[ornate hamlet]

always did

[frigid marten]

imagine being stuck by a dog while the rest of the team is jumped down.

[fossil apex]

It had happened many times in not so stressful situations either. So that's not always the case

[rocky cedar]

Yeah I meant to say EH before, sorry for any confusion caused there

[jovial quail]

@ornate hamlet I tried it back in like November and it certainly felt like it didnt, was at 0 toughness and would solo full horde wave and still come out at 0 if I wasn't around teamates. It was extremely noticeable playing it on purg vs like void staff

[deft trench]

Is toughness regen worth taking on trinkets now or is it just broken lol

[jovial quail]

Either way i'll definitely need to test it now for sure

[uneven drift]

We are assuming it's broken due to how it works now.

[rocky cedar]

It will still be good when it's working as intended

It's incredibly cracked right now

[cyan notch]

abuse it while you can

its pretty nuts rn

[rocky cedar]

Or not honestly

But the roll will still be worth it when it's fixed

[deft trench]

Have block efficiency at my trinkets atm, worth swapping that out for it?

[frigid marten]

anything that make regen toughness fast is good because 100% toughness is more important than other %.

[rocky cedar]

Probably

[boreal cave]

So is it now working the same as vt where it’s +% toughness gained on top of the reduced delay

Similar to how Stam regen worked

Also noticed how purge staff left click doesn’t hit targets if u quell or weapon swap after even though the attack has already fired

[crude talon]

Anyone know if there’s any data mining for the math involved in toughness regen?

[summer prairie]

Here https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/toughness-regen-curios-now-provide-up-to-360-base-regen-increase/74105

[lethal plover]

the offset is a vet with a lasgun

[solemn zenith]

https://gyazo.com/2f56f02a91e065b5d81058ddbbb6919d

bruh

[lethal plover]

holy kek fucking fatshart code if this is true

[warped perch]

Did they fix anything with trauma staff?

[crude talon]

Oh hey that’s the syllogism guy from here!

[summer prairie]

small world

[crude talon]

Peril gen

[lethal plover]

trauma is buffed in multiple ways now

[warped perch]

Is it viable?

[lethal plover]

very

[warped perch]

On par with purg and surge? 👀

[steel flame]

On par no.

[crude talon]

Viable like it was before. If you wanna knock stuff over, that’s your staff

[steel flame]

But it is an asset now rather than a liability

[warped perch]

Hmmm

[crude talon]

But you can knock stuff over twice as much

[steel flame]

Only issue it has now is that wack af cast time

[summer prairie]

as long as you hit the one-shot poxwalker breakpoint, it's pretty decent on damnation

[steel flame]

That cast gets cancelled by EVERYTHING

[wise quail]

Does trauma still have terrible aiming mechanics though?

[compact cargo]

yes, u can get used to it tho

[lethal plover]

nah just learn 2 tricks with it
first is uncharged at feet to 360 push then commit to bigger explosions
2nd is to control dogs and hordes with push

[wise quail]

Boo

[warped perch]

Did void get buffed too?

👀

[viral inlet]

... I think, I don't know exactly what this means but thought it was worth sharing

[steel flame]

I mean it's still the trauma staff so yes

[lethal plover]

no void gets "fixed". void's peril was bugged

[warped perch]

Oh what did it generate too much or something

[lethal plover]

less void spamming

[steel flame]

I think it was too little.....

[warped perch]

God dammit

Void spam was fun

[steel flame]

Half charge voidspam for years. Now only for days

[idle bay]

Few more fixes and it will be laspistol spam 🙂

[steel flame]

We can hope

That last pistols reason for existing reveals itself soon

[compact cargo]

Few more fixes and psyker will become an npc

[idle bay]

Black Ships update and not even an NPC 🙂

[rocky cedar]

Another reminder rending shockwave actually applies brittleness so it's great for debuffing elites too

[warped perch]

Is that a blessing

[lethal plover]

yeah for trauma staff

[steel flame]

I wanted to see if the blazing spirit was any good on void and trauma now that it effects aoe but since there is no way to get anything you want in this game no testing was done 🤷‍♂️

[rocky cedar]

Yes trauma blessing with incorrect description. It says it gives rending with charge level but it's actually brittleness so your melee and team mates benefit

[steel egret]

I dont know, you want Nexus and 5% I would imagine, not to mention blazing spirit itself.

[torn charm]

wth is brittleness

[steel flame]

Oh wow a description not being remotely correct? FATSHARK would never

[rocky cedar]

For trauma?!

Hell no you don't want those for trauma

They do basically nothing for it

[steel egret]

Rending but everyone benefits

[steel egret]

The guy was talking about testing it

[torn charm]

wish there was a cool loading tip for that

or any weapon blessing effects

[rocky cedar]

What datanomi said. Rending but as an enemy debuff rather than a self buff

[rocky cedar]

Oh my B

[steel flame]

Problem is it's hard to even test shit since everything is goddam rng whether you can even obtain something. Who da hell knows if stuff was even made viable since 90% of people CANT EVEN FREAKEN FIND THE BLESSING PERIOD

[steel egret]

Ok now find surge for void staff

[rocky cedar]

I wonder if they shadow fixed surge for trauma alt fire

If anyone has such a mythical staff please test for me

[warped perch]

We need surge void trauma and purg in 1 staff

The purgamasurgoid staff

[rocky cedar]

How would you even operate such a thing

[idle bay]

Fatshark: We've heard you. Only one staff for Psykers now - just for melee

[warped perch]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-plankton-gif-23569630

[rocky cedar]

Yo can they please do something about staff special attack

Dear god it's sad

[warped perch]

😂

[steel egret]

Staff can now be held with guns, this is purely visual change and does currently not allow you to use the staff that is being held as a weapon

[idle bay]

And it will have only that weak special attack that will damage Psyker instead of enemies

[gilded cloud]

How are these 2 weapons?

[warped perch]

Tbh tho I didn’t realize that Psykers gave a little force push when doing a laspistol special

Kinda cool

[wet belfry]

Dueling sword has bad blessing, perk

[warped perch]

Cloud could be a little higher for this

Imo

[steel egret]

Many talk shit on laspistol but they dont even know that detail.

[wet belfry]

I dont like either of the that much

[rocky cedar]

Yeah why they only implemented this for 1 gun is a mystery

[warped perch]

I wish laspistol were viable lol

I’m only using it on an alt psyker that I just made lol

[steel egret]

Probably because of the wyrdwane psykers.

[warped perch]

That’s level 2

[rocky cedar]

Viable is a strong word

[warped perch]

Laspistol is just not good imo

It hits like wet paper

[rocky cedar]

I wish laspistol had more of a niche

[idle bay]

We need Cain's laspistol that can 1-shot a Warboss

[steel egret]

10 toughness on crit kill, which is often, passive quell via force push

[gilded cloud]

yeah, i thought so. will keep on the lookout for more

[rocky cedar]

My mate runs it on his Psyker on Heresy runs and seems to do fine even in high intensity with it

[steel egret]

I enjoy it now more than staffs.

[gilded cloud]

what kind of blessing should dueling sword have?

[rocky cedar]

It's not good but it's not unusable either

[steel egret]

I mean it beats flashlight

[rocky cedar]

Still arguably a better shooter deleter than and of the staffs

[steel egret]

XII is only rifle I bother with

[wet belfry]

Shred, uncanny strike.

[rocky cedar]

Shred, rampage... Ummm, maybe something else I'm forgetting?

[steel egret]

I own all of them 380 or very close.

[rocky cedar]

Oh yeah uncanny

[warped perch]

It’s by no means bad though especially with the 80% burn and the crit

[rocky cedar]

I have a 375 mk V DS that got precog when I consecrated it

Still use it but I'm sad

[warped perch]

What’s DS I’m having a brain fart

[steel egret]

Dueling sword

[rocky cedar]

Duelling Sword sorry

[warped perch]

Oh

I can’t bring myself to use dueling sword

[steel egret]

Not a fan.

[rocky cedar]

MK V has best DPS by a solid amount

But kinda awkward combos

[warped perch]

I value the block and push stun on force sword more

[steel egret]

Is that the one with cleave?

[rocky cedar]

MK V is the one with overhead heavies

[warped perch]

Btw what did they change about kinetic deflector?

I heard they did something

[steel egret]

May aswell go with axes at that point.

[rocky cedar]

It pauses peril quell for a bit when you block things

[warped perch]

Ohhh

[rocky cedar]

DS has the mobility niche

[steel egret]

Deflector also doesnt block bullets while ressing now.

[long wharf]

so that the peril behavior matches stamina behavior

honestly, it's the right call

[rocky cedar]

15% dodge range and insane sprints with Mk V especially

[steel egret]

Force sword infinite dodges.

[long wharf]

shit dodge distance and sprint modifiers, though

[rocky cedar]

Yeah what Pfhoenix said

They're not comparable in terms of mobility

[steel egret]

Yeah, but ds has shit special and shit combos.

Not that fs ones were that great.

Combos

[long wharf]

that's why I use the mk v combat axe

[steel egret]

Lol

[cyan notch]

mk4 ds light spam is just diagonal overheads

pretty good

[steel egret]

Just like I said earlier

Rather use axe then

[rocky cedar]

MK V Caxe is S+ tier that's not a secret

Sometimes you just wanna be zooming though you know?

[long wharf]

it's so good that even without being able to peril tank, it's the best melee weapon for psykers against the horde

[steel egret]

Zealot issue.

[rocky cedar]

Yeah but MK V light 3 is massively more damage

[cyan notch]

yes

[rocky cedar]

I do like MK IV though

I enjoy squinting heavily and pretending I'm playing rapier Saltz with it

Talking about which give stab heavies two charge levels like VT2 rapier

Please and thankyou

[cyan notch]

it exists

its called thrust

[rocky cedar]

On DS?

Also thrust requires full charge, rapier charge level 2 didn't need full charge

Felt better accordingly

Timing the sweet spot for second charge level

I'd unironically consider thrust for MK IV if it was available though

[cyan notch]

its cool but better for consistency for all weapons to either have it or not

just like special action

[rocky cedar]

I guess

DS stabs are undertuned though

Would be more fun than a raw numbers buff

[rocky cedar]

Cosplaying a bad Zealot eh?

[near wyvern]

upgraded from purple to orange, I really gotta give this a spin now

[rocky cedar]

Someone on forums is now trying to argue with me that transfer peril blessing works on trauma secondary

God save my soul

[near wyvern]

techincally they are right, it does work from kinetic flayer pop which can proc from trauma secondary, so yeah you lost

[rocky cedar]

Damn yo

Nice info though didn't know that

[near wyvern]

ah damn, gotta go and leave the blazing spirit test for tomowwow

[summer prairie]

What test

[near wyvern]

I got a blazing spirit void with transfer peril

gonna test it with AB

have to first just decide which perk to roll away, probs roll away the elite damage since it likely does not hit any break points but +8% on trash might be good?

[summer prairie]

Also I think it never applied double stacks due to crit, it was just that T3 blazing spirit was actually utilizing T4 stats. This is based on the fix in the patch

[near wyvern]

staves version did not, FS version defenitely did

[summer prairie]

yes

[ornate hamlet]

@cyan notch there's a new bug now with purg staff when using charge attack

it's worse than the bug they "fixed"

i'll show it to you in a vid, i clipped it from last mission

[cyan notch]

hmm ok

[grizzled jasper]

This looks like me when I’m fighting beast of nurgle sliding all the time

[ornate hamlet]

damn my shadowplay wasn't on
your character has epilepsy basically, when it happens you'll be like "wtf lol"

i failed to get it in a clip

[idle bay]

Did anyone checked if +stamina regen as broken as +toughness regen? If it is - the KD is no longer nessesary

[cyan notch]

u can just describe it

[idle bay]

We kinda have x2 stamina regen already..

[ornate hamlet]

your character literally has epilepsy and goes into culvulsions randomly

i don't know how else to describe it, it's like a shooting flames epilepsy attack

[cyan notch]

the suppression strobe lights?

[ornate hamlet]

no it's an animation loop

[near wyvern]

blazing spirit sprit on void may actually trigger blazing spirit multiple times if it hits for example an elite, once for the actual projectile that passes through and another time because of the explosion that now applies it as well

I have to test it again to double check later tomorrow but I think I got 2 stacks of damage on a mauler at meat grinder when I tested it real quick

[ornate hamlet]

your character gets stuck in an animation loop for a while

doesn't switch weapons, but is trying to

it's like.. you know how you can switch weapons really quickly to make annoying sound effects in elevator?

fatshark tried to fix channeling flames so that you can interrupt it and change weapon, when before you would get stuck in the flame shooting animation

well, your character does not change weapon, instead they keep channeling but your character spams weapon swap while channeling, they didn't fix the bug at all, it's just worse than before

when it happens you'll know

you'll be like 'woah wtf was that'

it's server lag that causes the bug, and they claimed to have fixed it, but it's actually still the same bug only worse now

[near wyvern]

I just did a damnation where we basically had endless horde, and I was wearing the new trauma. It was actually glorious. Just spam at your feat and move as a ball.

the game is so buggy

[cyan notch]

was it excise vault

[near wyvern]

yes

someone said the map is always like that

at damnation

[cyan notch]

yea

sometimes heresy too

after the stupid servitor colony the hordes just dont stop

[clear heath]

it's not like that for me every time, but yeah i've seen it happen

[cyan notch]

refinery and excise vault are pretty insane sometimes

[ornate hamlet]

what are these achievs

[cyan notch]

excise vault has the horde chasing you and the finale is just even more hordes and refinery has the pop in spawns at the top of the elevator and that horrible drop down afterwards followed by waves of shotgunners in the finale

[cyan notch]

you can check in penances under the recently completed tab

[long wharf]

I guess I have to reevaluate trauma now

[ornate hamlet]

ok what is the "Wargear"?

[cyan notch]

your inventory

[grizzled jasper]

Is that a chicken feet keychain

[long wharf]

looks like they added a EULA to Darktide

[grizzled jasper]

I want one

[ornate hamlet]

it didn't give me anything

there's nothing new in my inventory

[long wharf]

it's a trinket

[uneven drift]

it's a weapon cosmetic.

[long wharf]

you have to customize a weapon to see it

[primal aurora]

so, Warp blocking is nerfed, but Trauma is buffed?

[ornate hamlet]

ah ok i didn't know about these

[winter shard]

jesus christ, how much have you played this game?

[long wharf]

uh

[long wharf]

don't ask any of the regulars in here that

it'll lead to depression

[cyan notch]

a bit here and there

[winter shard]

oh god

[cyan notch]

orange weapons dont mean anything though theyre mostly garbage emp gifts

[wet belfry]

4649 is actually impossible :p

thats longer then the game has been out

[ornate hamlet]

lol i know, those are my hours on Squad

[long wharf]

I'm at 430 hours in Darktide

[uneven drift]

Where you get so much time

[ornate hamlet]

i hardly play it

[winter shard]

i'm only at 80 hours

[cyan notch]

yea but ur not a shop camper

[long wharf]

my Darktide game time has slowed down the last two weeks

[crude talon]

Think the concurrent daily player high will hit 6k this weekend?

[long wharf]

nope

look at the chat channels to the left

that's a key indicator of overall player count

okay, this is my best base stat trauma

[uneven drift]

It settled around 8.4k at peak last few days, so not likely. Mb now we on plato, but next week will show. Weekend usually a bit of a boost.

[crude talon]

Ye

I think fatshark might have been better off doing smaller patches like, weekly or every two weeks. I think they would look “better” than a big one that breaks new stuff.

But also, idk shit about game code or coding in general so I might be dumb af saying that

[uneven drift]

Well, it's not about coding, it's about panning and development process in general. FatShark bad at both.

So unlikely they will come with regular updates.

[lament topaz]

Listen, this is just VT2 2, Electric Boogaloo.

[long wharf]

also, the fact that Darktide is on Gamepass is an issue, when it comes to patch release cadence

[crude talon]

Gamepass ew

[lament topaz]

Which, in saying that makes this entire thing worse because VT2 has everything we were told we were gonna have.

[ornate hamlet]

personally i'd rather they focused on server issues, like.. when i open my inventory and have to wait like 45 fucking seconds for it to just load my inventory

meanwhile i've played countless games where i've got literally millions of items in my inventory and it loads instantly

the servers for this game feel like absolute shit

[long wharf]

MS has always had standards for verifying updates

[lament topaz]

Then are you gonna fund FS and let them buy better servers from Amazon?

[long wharf]

it's not the servers themselves, I'm pretty sure

I'd blame the netcode

[lament topaz]

Sadly, a good chunk of what they're doing is better for anti-cheating reasons.

[crude talon]

I don’t have many server issues these days

[near wyvern]

Same for Sony, that's why games with console and steam versions wither get slow updates on all platforms (steam is updated when console goes through) or steam is ahead and consoles have the updates a bit later / bundled together for a bigger update

[ornate hamlet]

we're all funding them dude, not only did we have to buy the game to play it, but there's a ton of microtransactions for cosmetics

[uneven drift]

Thing is, you hardly depend on how your interned provider routed to the servers. Even tho if FatShark optimize shit out of request-response it's not a guarantee that your situation will become better.

[lament topaz]

^

[ornate hamlet]

?

[lament topaz]

Since they're using Amazon servers, you may not have a server near you.

[long wharf]

well, it's not terrible

[lament topaz]

Your internet has to download the items you want to see.

If your internet isn't the best, it's gonna take a while.

[ornate hamlet]

dude the game's code and servers are to blame for the shit lag spikes when opening inventory and seeing a blank screen for a while till it finally loads.

it's also the reason we get randomly disconnected mid-mission and have to reconnect so often, same with the crashes.

[uneven drift]

TL;DR your internet provider might have bad routing to the DT servers and no fixes will help you.

[crude talon]

Was vermintide like this when it released?

[lament topaz]

Yes.

It's VT2 2, Electric Boogaloo.

[ornate hamlet]

that's not the issue

[lament topaz]

No, Heretic, it most definitely could be the issue.

Also, what do you have the game installed to, an HDD or SSD?

[supple skiff]

new EULA whats that about

[long wharf]

ISP shittiness is always a factor

[ornate hamlet]

even if it WERE the issue you could use a VPN to bypass that issue

[long wharf]

but that doesn't change the fact that the netcode is dogshit

[ornate hamlet]

it's not the issue lol

[sonic aspen]

the biggest issue is a skill issue from ISPs

[long wharf]

LOL

you think using a VPN fixes ISP issues?

[lament topaz]

Yes, it is part of the issue, Heretic.

How the fuck do you think the game servers talk to your computer.

Through your ISP.

[ornate hamlet]

the issue you guys are describing, yes it would, it would change the route to the servers
the fact that you don't understand that tells me i shouldn't even talk about it with you

[near wyvern]

That should work, even without re-rolling any perks.

[lament topaz]

If your ISP got dropped as a kid and/or is missing a few chromosomes, the talking is gonna be slower/worse.

[uneven drift]

Well, my inventory loads in 1-2 seconds and i have about 2 disconnects in 2 months. From my perspective everything is working fine. But thing is with dedicated servers, again, is how your provider get routing to the servers.

[long wharf]

being piped through your ISP's connection to the VPN entry point

good god, tell me you don't understand networking without telling me you don't understand networking

[ornate hamlet]

gives you a different route to the game's servers dumbass

[untold jetty]

There's plenty of evidence suggesting that using VPNs can speed up players' connections to game servers, across multiple different games

[lament topaz]

THROUGH YOUR ISP. THE SAME ISP THAT IS HAVING ISSUES WITH THE SERVERS

[ornate hamlet]

the guy doesn't know what he's talking about, you shouldn't even entertain him

[lament topaz]

IT WILL NOT FIX THE ISSUE

[long wharf]

hey dumbass, your ISP is likely buying bandwidth from a major internet backbone, so the shittiness of your connection is between you and your ISP

[ornate hamlet]

if it is a routing issue, it bypasses the issue

[lament topaz]

YOU don't even know what you're talking about, we shouldn't even entertain YOU.

[ornate hamlet]

you guys clearly don't know what the difference between routing issue and port issue is

[long wharf]

oh man, don't make me pull out my professional credentials here

[supple skiff]

does toughness regen come as the main blessing on curious or just as a perk?

[long wharf]

just accept that you don't understand what you're talking about, please?

[lament topaz]

I'm not even out of High School and I know that's not how internet works.

[ornate hamlet]

"the internet"

[long wharf]

admit you're throwing around acronyms with no knowledge of what it means

[lament topaz]

Because even my satelite-based wifi can load shit faster than you.

[untold jetty]

just perk

[supple skiff]

thanks

[lament topaz]

Like, fuck me man, it's your ISP or something in between you and them.

[ornate hamlet]

If there is a routing issue between the servers and your ISP,
and you use a VPN to route yourself from the ISP to your VPN to the game's servers, you are potentially bypassing the routing issue.
If it's a PORT issue (firewall or otherwise) then this would not fix the issue no.
Stop trying to argue about something YOU clearly know less about than you pretend to

[unkempt barn]

The way trauma staff makes people blow up is pretty satisfying.

[lament topaz]

You connect to your ISP. Your ISP then send your connection through them to the server you are hooking into.

Am I right so far?

[long wharf]

unless your ISP is a major one that owns the physical connection between it and internet backbone, the most likely culprit for your shitty service is your connection to your ISP

not your ISP to the internet

[lament topaz]

Please correct me if I'm wrong, I want to have all my information correct while I'm trying to rip this guy a new one.

[ornate hamlet]

false, the most likely culprit in this case is the network code fatshark created for this game, which IS actually the issue

[long wharf]

it's common for backbone routers to have fluctuating loads and thus your traffic takes different routes to the game servers anyways

[long wharf]

you idiot, this is what I said 10 minutes ago

[ornate hamlet]

and i never disagreed with you about that

someone else claimed it was "probably" a routing issue, it's not

[lament topaz]

If the issue is netcode, most everyone would be having issues.

[ornate hamlet]

if it were, using a VPN would fix it

[lament topaz]

Like Star Citizen's netcode

[long wharf]

people are having common issues

like the store taking a long time to load

[ornate hamlet]

yeah, most people do

[lament topaz]

The Amazon servers are running 30hz, I believe.

[ornate hamlet]

if you play in a group with friends, you will find that often if anyone disconnects mid mission, and rejoins, when they rejoin it instantly disconnects the OTHER people they joined, and they have to now rejoin the mission lol

(this obviously bad netcode issue, related to ports the game communicates on among other things)

[long wharf]

this has nothing to do with Amazon

[lament topaz]

Fatshark uses Amazon servers.

[long wharf]

oh boy.

I don't have the energy to explain cloud services to you

[lament topaz]

At least, that is what I was told.

Yeah, I feel that, I'm sitting in class rn.

[long wharf]

"servers" don't run on hz

[supple skiff]

https://prnt.sc/JIyy2aBikUqp sometimes hadron gives you the goods

[copper raft]

discord debate moment

[untold jetty]

store takes too long to load, inventory takes too long to load, sometimes currency doesn't load, sometimes currency loads super slowly, sometimes perks don't update when rerolling items, etc. etc.

[long wharf]

not physical ones

the game servers might have an engine tickrate of 30hz

[ornate hamlet]

right, it's a server / netcode problem

[long wharf]

unless FartShart says something, we won't really know

[uneven drift]

Do you have a statistic or what? Or like "feeling".
We can measure our experiences, but it's pointless.

[lament topaz]

What do you guys have the game loaded on?

[untold jetty]

in the bin it goes 🚮

[ornate hamlet]

it's not really a server tickrate issue, more like a client/server netcode communication issue that is waiting too long to re-update should - for any reason - there be any desync.
it waits way too long to correct it

(like up to 45 seconds sometimes)

[long wharf]

it might be that Darktide is using TCP for everything menu related

there's overhead for TCP traffic (handshakes, verification, packet tracking, size windows, etc)

[lament topaz]

I assume that HDD/SSDs don't impact that kind of loading speed.

[long wharf]

funny thing is Valve has a Steam-compatible high performance UDP library available to all who want it

[ornate hamlet]

they don't because it's not your client / PC you're waiting on, it's the netcode waiting on the server to re-update your inventory
which - happens EVERY time you look through any inventory menus, which is kinda stupid also

[lament topaz]

You do know why your inv and such is all server based, right?

[ornate hamlet]

of course

[long wharf]

I've noticed something

when you change the trinkets on your weapons, your preview of the weapon changes as well

[ornate hamlet]

it's anti cheat / anti hack measures, it's all server sided and there are cross-checks to ensure your client isn't doing anything it's not supposed to be able to do, like speedhacking, virtual memory editing, packet editing, etc

but that's no excuse for it to be laggy and slow to update

[untold jetty]

Nope, I've gone through all the logic and the only possible conclusion is FS hates us. That can't be true though, right? 🙂

[long wharf]

and I can't tell if the game is rendering the models in the UI view or if FartShart prerendered every weapon with every trinket combination in the game

I suspect it's the former

and that might account for the UI laginess, because the game is loading and rendering all those assets

and not keeping them in memory

[ornate hamlet]

it's re-rendering everything in every preview window ever time
you can tell when you change hairstyles at the change-my-appearance npc

it's quite slow to update all the little preview windows in the bottom right

[long wharf]

yeah, I suspect that's right

[lament topaz]

In theory that's to save performance, right?

[ornate hamlet]

doesn't matter if your rig is a super PC or not

[untold jetty]

This is honestly the most disastrous kind of design decision

[long wharf]

save performance? no.

it's to save artist work

why create images for each weapon and trinket, just render the weapon and trinket the way it'd be done anywhere else

that's fine for something you do once and that's it

but for 100 items at the same time?

every time you close and open the window?

[lament topaz]

Listen, I believe most games are as scummy as the next game, but even that's a bit low.

[long wharf]

it'd even be fine if the client cached those images after first generation

you'd see memory bloat, but for the sake of a responsive UI, I'd consider it worthwhile

or write those images to file and have the client check for cached images for player equipment

all sorts of solutions to the problem

just another indicator of FartShart's incompetence

they don't even consider UX (user experience)

[untold jetty]

[untold jetty]

me when I sit there rerolling curio for 20 minutes for a single 12% stamina regen or 15% sprint efficiency line

[long wharf]

so it seems like trauma's suicide point is 90 peril

[supple skiff]

4k plasteel later

they quick turn around nerf toughness regen im uninstalling

[ornate hamlet]

i love it too

[untold jetty]

toughness regen already sucks though

just speeds up how long it takes before you begin regenerating toughness at a normal rate

and it's been buggy apparently

so there are questions on if it even works at all

[ornate hamlet]

coherency

it just benefits players more for staying in coherency range

[supple skiff]

are you forming that opinion coinsidering the changes the lastest patch made?

[untold jetty]

the patch notes didn't say anything about curio changes afaik

just a lot of gun/melee weapon changes

did it make curio fixes?

[uneven drift]

https://streamable.com/ec1vwv

[long wharf]

uh, guys? I'm seeing trauma hitting weakspots

what the fuck.

[bold flint]

on what

[supple skiff]

yeah toughness regen slaps now

ive heard that it impacts essence harvest, but I havent confirmed that for myself yet, hope to at some point today

[long wharf]

it's happening randomly

[ornate hamlet]

indirectly, this is false
coherency gives toughness regen,
toughness regen was "fixed" so that it not only the delay before it begins is sped up, but the actual rate it fills is now sped up as well

[bold flint]

is toughness regen for both delay and speed

[ornate hamlet]

now it is, yes

[bold flint]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/758762951384760362/1016412362468765736/freeze.gif

sounds poggin

[ornate hamlet]

it used to only begin regenerating sooner, now it still does but it also regenerates faster as well

i've always used toughness regen, but it's even more helpful now

[supple skiff]

may make me finally run purge

[long wharf]

my suicide just hit a weakspot!

wtf is going on

[ornate hamlet]

i dunno but i wouldn't be complaining 😄

[long wharf]

this is in the meat grinder, I'm hitting stuff (damnation) with trauma

[arctic rampart]

Ok so what non-force melee do people use? I've tried the dueling sword and.. ok it's mobile but doesn't feel like you can kill anything. Is it a case of BM Antax 5 is best there is?

[bold flint]

are you going to type all day or show screenies

[ornate hamlet]

i'm going to assume trauma still sux compared to surge and purge

[long wharf]

I mean, I'm hitting for 439 non-crits

[ornate hamlet]

i assume the peril generation using it is still orrid

[long wharf]

419, sorry

[ornate hamlet]

and void is worse than before

[long wharf]

I saw a 1500 weakspot non-crit on crusher

[bold flint]

its peril generation is actually like 2.5x better

[long wharf]

ugh, crits are garbage with trauma though

[ornate hamlet]

that's really not that much damage, light attack from purg staff does 200+ and you can spam it all day before reaching critical peril unless your build and staff suck (it's also an AoE CC)

[long wharf]

489 crit damage

[long wharf]

I know, I'm reevaluating trauma

[frigid marten]

i see even surge hitting weakspot randomly, i just guessed it was a hit notification bug.

[long wharf]

with trauma, warp flurry works

[frigid marten]

like sometime hit cross is orange.

[long wharf]

like, warp flurry noticeably works

and for something that you want to get to max charge with, that makes it a good blessing

[ornate hamlet]

i wouldn't know, this game just wants me to have run n gun on every staff i own

[summer prairie]

I don't see any weakspot hits without kinetic flayer

[near wyvern]

The long reload times for store and inventory could be easily solved by exchanging the information on the background when at Mourningstar, caching it locally, creating a check code using any of the existing algorithms and then simply verifying player actions using the check code. If there is a miss match, don't take the action and update cache.

[uneven drift]

Seems it's a time ti give them a chance

[untold jetty]

Ah okay. Turns out the patch notes were more robust than I thought - I'm not sure why I only saw weapons changes when I looked at them yesterday.

[ornate hamlet]

probably get outperformed by even not-so-great purg

[long wharf]

okay, the crit multiplier for damage on trauma sucks ass

there's no reason to bother trying to stack crit with trauma

[uneven drift]

At least something new. Anyway i dropped purg for a while.

[long wharf]

anything you can do to reduce peril build will be key

[near wyvern]

The top one is better. You want good quell speed, try 321231. Stay at high perils but don't be afraid to ult if your team needs it. With KF and communion the stacks come back easily.

[long wharf]

I'm not sure I'd recommend 6:1

[near wyvern]

It works with trauma really well

[long wharf]

peril buildup is the primary limiter with trauma

since you really want to build up max charge for each hit

[ornate hamlet]

i'll never use trauma, even if it's buffed further

[near wyvern]

The stagger range is huge you have time to max charge, quell to 75 repeat even with no resist

[long wharf]

and it looks like anything above 80% peril going full charge is going to pop you

I'm going to play with 221311

[ornate hamlet]

try using trauma staff in any mission that requires you to target enemies that aren't on level ground or below you, goodluck

[long wharf]

see if the quelling movement feat was touched

[near wyvern]

Warp Absorption is just really bad if you get jumped on by ranged and the vet thinks he is a zealot again

[uneven drift]

Yeah, will test it on weekend i guess. Currently if i even running Psyker, i use surge and 3 2 1 1 1 2. So i have a nuke. Works fine to be fun for me.

[long wharf]

okay, fuck Mind in Motion, still hot garbage

221211

[ornate hamlet]

if you're in coherency this isn't really an issue as much
just use cover

[near wyvern]

It's clunky but very doable. Staircases are at times more of an issue if they are see through

[ornate hamlet]

i still use it, staying in coherency is more beneficial than ever

[near wyvern]

Yeah I will try AB with trauma once I find a one with blazing spirit on it

[near wyvern]

Knife as a melee is all the movement speed you need. Kinetic Shielding actually helps quite a bit against ranged.

You can afford to take that one peek to blast them.

[long wharf]

you just aren't critting enough for blazing spirit to be worthwhile on trauma

[near wyvern]

Without getting absolutely drilled in the A ho

[long wharf]

now, if we get blazing spirit on surge

that'd be something to look into

ugh, I still hate the aiming system for the trauma

fucking put the circle where I'm looking, god damn it

[ornate hamlet]

it helps but isn't really needed you can dodge range when you don't have cover immediately nearby.
the sound effect is the tell
also, i use axe, i'll never use knife

[long wharf]

yeah, at least with an axe I can overhead chop things into the ground

[ornate hamlet]

axe slaughters everything that you can't just melt with purg

[long wharf]

axe slaughters everything, period

that's what's so great about it

no locked animation

no having to reapply special charge

[near wyvern]

Knife is just so safe to navigate around horde. With Trauma you don't need cleave.

[sinful stream]

Know how trauma can trigger kinetic flayed headbursts wayy outside the explosion radius? Does Blazing spirit apply like that too?

[long wharf]

just thwack and thunk

[near wyvern]

Will test as soon as I get my hands on BS Trauma

[long wharf]

any crit by the attack should apply soulblaze when you have that blessing

[ornate hamlet]

still haven't upgraded my new fav axe, hopefully i get a nice 2nd blessing on it, and then i'll do the perk

[near wyvern]

This is how it should work, but because Fatshark has proven how good they are with the code it ain't true until verified

[long wharf]

if you reroll the perk now, it'll be cheaper

[ornate hamlet]

it takes more skill to aim properly with than MK V but it swings 12% faster and it does signficantly more damage on weakspot & crits

[long wharf]

I have never once had to focus on aiming with my mk v combat axe

you literally just swing it

[ornate hamlet]

right

[sinful stream]

They actually had this in the patch notes, said Blazing spirit applies to enemies hut by the explosion, not just directly (for voidstrike and trauma)

[ornate hamlet]

the swing on mk VIII needs to be aimed better than MK V, but it's statistically a much stronger choice if you are used to it

[long wharf]

does the mk8 have an easy cleaving attack like the mk5's push attack?

[frigid marten]

the worse part of trauma is still aiming: surge and purgatus can throw stuff from a safety position behind cover and corners, also trauma require to be precise and center the explosion under the feet or the damage reduce too fast outside of the center.

[long wharf]

yeah, having to constantly check that my circle which isn't where I'm aiming is under all the feet of the enemies I'm trying to hit is... really stupid

[frigid marten]

other caxe lack cleaver bar.

[ornate hamlet]

it was never technically a cleave, and this update fixed the tooltips for this axe

[frigid marten]

but all caxe have the cleave push attack

[summer prairie]

mk8 heavy 1 only does real damage to the first two targets, but with proper stats can one-shot two poxwalkers. But still, you have to block cancel

[wet jacinth]

[long wharf]

because aiming isn't intuitive, trauma is more difficult to use

it needs to be any part of the enemy in the circle makes the enemy take full damage

[ornate hamlet]

this was BEFORE the patch

[wet jacinth]

Become a Gunsyker. Fuck the Staff debate

[long wharf]

it's absolutely mind numbing that that isn't the case

[supple skiff]

did some testing toughness regen absolutely effects essence harvest

[ornate hamlet]

yes i suspected that as well, i switched to it

it's an unintended buff to essence harvest i believe

😄

it's like 200% stronger than it once was

[summer prairie]

You were testing it without being in coherency?

[supple skiff]

yes

[ornate hamlet]

using toughness regen stats

[supple skiff]

no regen before, none after the harvest effect ended

[idle bay]

Did someone tried if stamina regen as broken as toughness regen?

[ornate hamlet]

i wouldn't know, i don't block

[long wharf]

hmm, I have 15% toughness regen on two curios already

[ornate hamlet]

blocking is for chumps who revive people

[spice veldt]

stamina regen is normal as far as I can tell

[summer prairie]

Stamina regen uses proper values

[spice veldt]

same as pre-patch

[long wharf]

guess it's time to play with essence harvest

[supple skiff]

wait

ok I may have fucked up my test

[still hearth]

Someone showed a clip of them using Essence Harvest and the curios

And it definitely didn't affect it meaningfully.

[supple skiff]

ignore me have to go check again

[summer prairie]

I would be very surprised if the curio toughness regen affected any of the toughness talents except the ones that are coherency related

[frigid marten]

so emergency hotfix incoming. the psyker can be viable while using BB.

[still hearth]

It was only for a split second that they had EH but it was obviously much slower.

[summer prairie]

based on what I've seen of the code

[long wharf]

soooo no essence harvest then?

[still hearth]

They can already without EH. In fact turn off all level 5 feats and just run Toughness Regen Speed and you'll feel just as strong

[still hearth]

It should be the same as before, yes.

[supple skiff]

might still be a thing, I just realized that my toughness wasnt 100 LOL

[long wharf]

okay, no essence harvest, then

[supple skiff]

my bad

still going to test it

and honestly the chage to coherency regen is good enough to make it a good choice imo

going into a solo sedition, will let ya'll know

shit the bots can actually do shit on sedition lol

[ornate hamlet]

ascendant blaze allows all soulblaze effect kills to give 10% chance of granting a warp charge, psychic communication gives 4% chance of granting a warp charge whenever you or anyone in coherency kills any enemy.
kinetic overload applies 4 stacks of soulblaze to a nearby enemy whenever you gain a warp charge while at maximum warp charges (which can cause an enemy to die to a soulblaze effect, which grants a warp charge 10% of the time)
essence harvest replenishes 30% toughness over 5 seconds on gaining warp charge however it appears that the toughness regen stat effects essence harvest toughness regen as well, and being in coherency also regens toughness (which is now also effected by toughness regen stat, which makes it start regenerating sooner and increases regen speed as well with this patch)

(every time you kill something with purg staff you have 14% chance of gainaing a warp charge, which CAN cause another enemy to die from 4 stacks of soulblaze, which gives another warp charge, causes another enemy to die from 4 stacks of soulblaze, which gives another warp charge, causing yet another enemy to die from 4 stacks of soulblaze, etc lol)

if you are lucky you could technically just kill 1 enemy then watch a dominoe effect kill everything nearby

[still hearth]

Of note: No enemies die from only 4 stacks of Soulblaze*

[ornate hamlet]

all the while, it's regenerating your touchness at a drastically increased rate if you have toughness regen stacked

[ornate hamlet]

nah but you're applying more stacks obviously while fighting

[still hearth]

The biggest upside of, uh, Kinetic Overload

Is actually fighting a boss in a horde

Since it can go over your staff cap

So you'll do more damage to elites and specials with it.

[supple skiff]

okay yeah I tested, essence harvest isnt effected by toughness regen

[ornate hamlet]

even if it isn't it's always been a viable choice if you are staying in coherency

[frigid marten]

Kinetik oveload need to work like ascendant blaze for a good domino effect

[still hearth]

Wdym

[supple skiff]

at first I saw a value greated than 30 and jumped the gun, my dumbass forgot I had curios adding toughness so 30% wasnt actually 30 but in my case 42

[long wharf]

KO needs to apply 6 stacks

or soulblaze get a damage buff

[ornate hamlet]

depends on difficulty i assume

[still hearth]

On Malice 4 stacks kills all horde mobs

So its balanced

[ornate hamlet]

i mean, on if they die from X number of stacks

[still hearth]

But also all horde mobs die from a sneeze in Malice

[long wharf]

god I hate trauma targeting so much

[frigid marten]

When a enemy with soulblaze is killed instead of “an ememy is killed by soulblaze”

[ornate hamlet]

that was my point earlier, and why i said i'll never use trauma even if they buff it further

[long wharf]

it's the #1 reason why I hate the staff

[ornate hamlet]

yep

[supple skiff]

despite it not effecting EH i still think its really good

just not stupid stronng

[ornate hamlet]

i used quietitude for quite a while because other psykers were telling me they preferred it, but i'm back using essence harvest again

[still hearth]

Kinetic Overload has nothing to do with Soulblaze kills. It procs on getting Warp Charges.

[ornate hamlet]

another thing i enjoy about essence harvest is that it's the best option if you use melee more

[long wharf]

trauma doesn't seem to stagger mutant at all

[supple skiff]

Ill be running quiet again cause they fixed the quell quietitude interaction

[long wharf]

that's not cool

[supple skiff]

trauma lives up to the name

[long wharf]

ugh, the more I use this in the meat grinder, the less I want to give it a shot in a mission

[still hearth]

Trauma is still best used to just spam chokepoints

[supple skiff]

just not in the way thats immediately obvious

[still hearth]

That didn't change

[summer prairie]

it's complete trash if you don't at least hit the poxwalker one-shot breakpoint, okay if you do

[light quail]

I say this a lot, but trauma is god tier for staggers

[supple skiff]

staff needs a rework, number changes won't be enough

[still hearth]

Remove the CC, make the epicenter the only damage point, make it a bit bigger.

There

You now have a damage staff

Those are only number changes, too.

Say it was 3-4m big and one-shot gunners and half healthed ragers

That would be used.

[long wharf]

if you need to spam it to keep something staggered... you're only staggering one thing

[light quail]

honestly just make it into a conflagration staff

trauma atm is btec conf

[still hearth]

Surge is still way better to CC anything with

Purge CCs hordes way better

Trauma is just somewhere in the middle with awful control

[ornate hamlet]

i entirely agree, the stagger effects should be buffed on all staves, and DPS should be buffed on surge

[summer prairie]

trauma has better range than both, that's about it. But it's more fun to use

[long wharf]

no, the fix to trauma is easy

1. center the circle on where the player is aiming

[still hearth]

Surge DPS

[light quail]

...okay yeah it's outclassed
I maybe also use trauma for the sound design

[still hearth]

But Surge is the strongest CC staff

[long wharf]

2. any enemy touched by the circle takes full damage

[still hearth]

That would make it good. We can't have that.

[long wharf]

3. lay down a lingering patch of soulblaze on detonation

[light quail]

shame how the meatiest sounding staff is the weakest rn

[long wharf]

bam, now you have a unique staff

[still hearth]

All staffs need ways to apply soulblaze

[light quail]

give that to current trauma and that'd be enough imo

[still hearth]

Whether through blessings or whatever

[ornate hamlet]

you can with talent still

[still hearth]

https://tenor.com/view/gross-disgust-gran-torino-clint-eastwood-gif-3880005

Yeah but I can do that with a gun

[long wharf]

okay, change blazing spirit on trauma to be Blazing Trail: impact area is covered with soulblaze for 10s

[light quail]

it'd make trauma a mix of conflagration and corscation staffs from VT2
has the AOE and dmg of conf and the lingering fire of cors

[long wharf]

and have the damage of the trauma attack determine how quickly that patch of soulblaze applies warpfire to enemies

[dire saddle]

Whats the best psyker staff?

[frank talon]

What you perform best with

[dire saddle]

Fair

[cloud heron]

Mine

real answer: Probably purge in a coordinated team

[compact mural]

I feel it comes down to comp. I feel useless with a purge staff in a melee heavy group but love it when playing with my veteran friend.

[cloud heron]

purge or surge in matchmaking

[frank talon]

They all excel in certain situations

No matter what staff I take I feel like "man that would have been easier with X"

I like them all

I really like the crits on surge though

Makes M1 nicer, makes melee nicer

Favourite is probably voidstrike though

Nuking hordes across large maps is nice

[ornate hamlet]

1 purg staff psyker, 1 surge staff psyker, 1 vet, 1 zealot

[frank talon]

Valid

[dire saddle]

Very good ngl,sounds based,too bad no ogryn

[ornate hamlet]

surge staff pairs well with vet players, surg staff pairs well with ogryn/zealots

[dire saddle]

Ah

[idle bay]

Purgatus staff also extar good in "Lights out" conditions

[ornate hamlet]

ppl trash talk shield ogryn, but surg staff psyker with shield ogryn is actually quite nice

[steel vapor]

Which?

[ornate hamlet]

any other category of staff

[frank talon]

Trauma works with warp now you could probably have charge rate as a dump

So #2 imo

[ornate hamlet]

meh

[steel vapor]

tyty

[jade geode]

Purg is the best staff in every situation except your team severely lacking ranged, such as having mostly or entirely zealots w flamers, ogryn with ripper, etc and no vets.
A well rolled Purge staff (dmg flak and dmg mutants) will shred everything but Crushers, and still deal decent dmg against other ogryns.
It's the best option for controlling/carrying a match.

If your team lacks ranged like above, you'll struggle. In that case I'd recommend either surge staff for shooters, or Void for a jack-of-all-trades approach where you can deal with ranged okay-ish, and still do decently well against hordes.

[summer prairie]

it's not the best staff for clutching

[crude talon]

It’s not the best staff for CC either

[summer prairie]

if your team is dead, something like surge is better

[steel vapor]

Does psykinetic aura also work on specials?

[crude talon]

But no one cares about CC in this game

At least randos don’t. Only pew

[jade geode]

You don't need to CC your targets when they die in seconds_ (fk capslock)

[jade geode]

You're right, my mistake. I'll just be over here with my 300+ hrs in DT and over 1K in Vermintide, casually playing on Cata. I know nothing. 😉

[summer prairie]

where do you think you are

Not that it is relevant, I've 2.5k V2 hours

[frank talon]

There is no need to fight, siblings

[jade geode]

Honestly, all the staves kinda suck a little when you're the last one alive; the movement speed penalty and animation lock can get you screwed no matter which you're using. I'm talking about getting control of a bas situation like boss+horde, or boss+patrol.

[summer prairie]

someone disagrees with you on something and that's your response, how quaint

[jade geode]

Well, same question to you. Where do you think you are, assuming you know better than me and just saying I'm wrong with 0 extrapolation. Kinda rude.

[still hearth]

Siblings.

You're both wrong. I'm right.

[jade geode]

lel

[still hearth]

Get rekt.

[near wyvern]

I am left.

[near wyvern]

Yes.

[steel vapor]

thanks sir

[still hearth]

Most of your clutch potential on Psyker comes from your melee anyway. Purge helps your melee the most and Surge feels like in ideal situations it will help you clutch but then a horde spawns and Surge becomes a liability.

[jade geode]

Also, really, the "best" staff for clutching solo is really gonna depends on your melle, because if you have no squad to cover you melee's weakness, then you'll need your staff to do that for you. Like if you're running Ax, you're gonna want some AoE horde clear from your staff or you're gonna have a hard time.

[jade geode]

Yup, pretty much.

[ornate hamlet]

lemme show you why i still like MK II tho

[still hearth]

But Gun Psyker is the most clutch anyway.

[crude talon]

XD

[ornate hamlet]

first kill is with VIII second kill is with II

[placid stratus]

Based AF take

[ornate hamlet]

kills just as fast without weakspots

[crude talon]

I’m gun pilled on psyker now

[near wyvern]

@steel vapor whaterver question you have regarding Psykers, if it isn't behind this link, this channel doesn't know how it works.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2917274959

[still hearth]

Yeah people are sleeping on the Rashad

It does some fucked up base damage

Even without WS

[placid stratus]

On another note, I fucking did it. After all these weeks

[ornate hamlet]

yep, and it does crazy damage with crits and weakspots, if you can land them

[placid stratus]

I have become John Psyker

[near wyvern]

Welcome to the Goggles gang, sibling.

[placid stratus]

Now I can peacefully go back to being a filthy, gross, disgusting vet main until I decide to suffer with the Zealot and Ogryn penances

[cyan notch]

cant help but notice

thats an autopistol

[placid stratus]

Correct

In the process of doing the 100 mission penance for psyker, I got absolutely sick and tired of juggling peril

So I returned to gun

Besides

[spice oar]

new patch fix trauma?

[placid stratus]

I wouldn't run autopistol if it didn't look like this

[placid stratus]

Yes, trauma peril gain is now more in line with voidstrike

[spice oar]

what about the dmg?

[placid stratus]

Shrug

[spice oar]

damm

one step at a time

[jade geode]

Warp cost is much more resonable now, IMO I still feel like the dmg is trash though. I'm sure Trauma users will disagree with me though, but it really could be better. Dealing 20 damage to anything other than the exact center is... pretty silly.

[spice oar]

they did nerf deflection though, which i admit is good

[near wyvern]

Yes

[placid stratus]

I can't say for sure because I rarely touched the trauma staff

[jade geode]

I'd rather it dealt less damage in the center and more out to the edges.

[placid stratus]

It sucked absolute ass pre-patch

[spice oar]

yeah, either make the dmg more spread out or have the center deal more dmh

[rocky cedar]

I thought trauma was already good but not many seem to share that view

[near wyvern]

Damage is not the point. Room full of elites? No problem.

[spice veldt]

i think trauma is fine for taking out shooters

[spice oar]

it is an unpopular opinion thats for sure

[rocky cedar]

Centre can already one shot horde mobs which is what you want it to do

[spice veldt]

i wouldn't use it for hordes unless forced to though

[ornate hamlet]

wanna see me 1 shot bullwark in damnation with it?

[spice oar]

nice you can shove them about a little

[placid stratus]

One of the big things holding back trauma was its atrocious peril gain

[rocky cedar]

And in density it can one shot a lot of enemies per cast while making elites a non issue

[placid stratus]

That's why rarely anyone bothered to use it

[rocky cedar]

It was and still is the mixed horde king, just gets better with density

[ornate hamlet]

@still hearth watch this lol

(and ppl think MK II sucks)
when you DON'T listen to other ppl and do your own theorycrafting, it often pays off

[spice oar]

i just want a spread out dmg in the circle, not even a dmg increase just dont deal 20 dmg to anything outside the center

[crude talon]

My zealot friend likes the 2

[rocky cedar]

I mean I wouldn't argue with a bit more damage outside the epicentre but it wouldn't really change what it's good for anyway

[vestal finch]

If you miss with any other staff it deals 0 damage

[ornate hamlet]

doesn't surprise me, it's faster than the other popular axes and hits hard AF if you can land weakspots / crits

[still hearth]

Lets ignore the BB proc

[ornate hamlet]

it 2 shots without of course

[jade geode]

Yeah and it can also YEET 10-15 enemies all around the fking room and make an absolute disaster out of what would've otherwise been a controlled chokepoint or a horde from a single direction. -_-

[jade geode]

WOW I had no idea! /s -_-

[still hearth]

Yeah its definitely good vs Unyielding

[silver jolt]

My new staff says it does fire damage. Should I take this over the other firestick?

[rocky cedar]

Player issue. Aim it at the front of the horde to knock them all back. Besides you can clean up a bunch of enemies taking like 3 seconds to get back on their feet pretty quick with melee

[spice oar]

same with trauma, hitting enemies in the circle isnt missing

[rocky cedar]

It actually hits thing way way outside the circle

[jade geode]

Assuming I'm the one using the staff. Assuming the rest of the group turns around to help. Assuming the rest of the group can turn around to help and they're not busy...

[rocky cedar]

So not really accurate

[spice veldt]

i prefer to just melee than to use the trauma staff unless I'm the first to engage with a pre-spawned horde

I think there's a case to use trauma if you're blasting a horde far from your team, but it's disruptive in a semi-open area

or if there are enemies climbing/dropping down

[rocky cedar]

My assumptions only extended to your first point. I've solo clutched with trauma quite a bit now and it definitely makes my life much easier not harder

[spice veldt]

like that beginning section of cryorod

[rocky cedar]

It's ok not everyone has to like trauma

[spice oar]

i just dont see it worth using, and a major part is the fact a massive warp explosion leaves only light burns on half of the enemies it hits

just anti climactic

[jade geode]

I believe you, and I'm impressed. But I have difficulty believing that it wouldn't have been even easier for said clutches with a more function staff, IMO.

[rocky cedar]

As long as they don't then dump on it

[spice veldt]

it is fair game if you're solo

[spice oar]

i want trauma to be better i hope im not hurting its feelings

[jade geode]

Only reason I'm "dumping" on it, is because I want to like it. Corsucation/Conflagration were two of my favorite staves in VT, I just want it to be better.

[spice oar]

fr

[rocky cedar]

It straight up pulverises to giblets in the epicentre. Can't think of a more visually pleasing staff effect

[jade geode]

This is highly entertaining, I agree.

[spice oar]

a hordes head popped with void works better for me

[rocky cedar]

You can think what you like of it I'mma just defend it cause I enjoy it much more than the other staves TBH

[spice oar]

yeah thats fair, dosent mean there arnt areas for improvement

[rocky cedar]

I think main area was addressed this patch

[spice oar]

and i swear ive heard that its low dmg it has was a bug

[cyan notch]

aiming sucks

[rocky cedar]

Aiming on stairs in particular does suck

I really hope they fix that

The only other issue I have with it is how stupid variable the blast radius and charge rate stats are at max vs min

[cyan notch]

anything in circle should be full damage

[rocky cedar]

Like it's actually dumb how much worse a trauma staff with low to mid blast and charge rolls is

No other weapon has that kind of variance

Makes it feel awful till you have a good stat roll

[rocky cedar]

I maintain that would be dumb levels of horde clear

[cyan notch]

make the circle smaller then

[rocky cedar]

But UI that actually shows the epicenter would be nice

[cyan notch]

i dont want fake ui

fake ammo counts

[rocky cedar]

And accurately shows outer radius

[lament topaz]

How’re my favorite schizos?

[rocky cedar]

Yeah the UI for it is pretty bad I'm just used to what the actual radius is by now

But it shouldn't be that unintuitive

No arguments there

[rocky cedar]

Arguing about trauma

[lament topaz]

I see.

[cyan notch]

also when aiming far away instead of maxing out it goes up into the air

why

[clear heath]

they should make trauma like sienna's staff in vt2 where it was a bright flash of light with fire that would flashbang any player unfortunate enough to stand in it

i miss blinding people in vermintide

[near wyvern]

For trauma star prio is:

1. blast radius & charge speed
2. quell speed
   3 warp resist
3. damage

[rocky cedar]

Oh my god don't get me started about fireball VFX in VT2

It makes me mad

[rocky cedar]

Damage can be pretty important for poxwalker one shot on Damn but can be offset with perk

So I do agree with those priorities

[near wyvern]

True Trauma chads go hide under their vets ass and just spams it non stop under their feet

[rocky cedar]

Except I'd put warp res beneath damage

[clear heath]

psyker visuals that harm your eyes is also not too crazy to expect in darktide, if the last few patches are any indication
it could happen. i have hope

[lament topaz]

Anyone who’s in game feel like doing a quick music compatibility test for me?

[rocky cedar]

It does F all for trauma

[cyan notch]

i never used fireball in vt2 lol

mainly beam/bolt/corus

[rocky cedar]

Actually maybe warp res is better now after peril reduction

Not sure about that

[clear heath]

conflag staff in vt2 was the brightest flash of light ever if you happen to stand in it

[cyan notch]

yea never used that much either it was hot trash

[rocky cedar]

Fireball staff = your team can't see shit for 3 seconds after every cast

[clear heath]

whenever i introduced someone into the game, the rite of passage was for me to pick the staff and spam it under their feet in dark areas to blind them

[clear heath]

yeah it sucks but blinding your friends was hilarious

[rocky cedar]

Conflag was mostly just massively power crept by Coru

Coru never got nerfed somehow

It's a mystery why

[lament topaz]

The few times I played Sienna, I uh…

Let’s just say a certain Middle Eastern group would’ve liked to hire me.

[worthy wedge]

My buddies seems to say that purg doesn't blind them.

[near wyvern]

Trauma is love cause if there is someone really annoying in your team you can throw every mauler and rager behind their ass

[lament topaz]

My favorite moment as both Psyker and Sienna in VT2 was using the ball staff to send a special to the moon.

[near wyvern]

With Trauma you get to decide who will have fun time and who won't. A Darktide Santa if you will.

[spice veldt]

or launch a burster into them AND explode it onto them

[lament topaz]

I use ball staff for the same reason I play Ball man in OW.

[cyan notch]

new surge vfx moment

[lament topaz]

Various ball jokes.

[near wyvern]

It's hard not to blow it tho

[spice veldt]

true

but practice makes perfect

[near wyvern]

Darkride minigolf

[rocky cedar]

Yeah trauma one shots bursters even with like no charge

[cyan notch]

i dont think u can

[rocky cedar]

It gets what, a 30x damage multiplier on them?

[cyan notch]

surge can kinda throw bursters around better

[near wyvern]

Yes

Void can also throw bursters with half and more charge

[rocky cedar]

I CAN insta pop a burster someone is trying to push though

So that's nice

[still hearth]

I thought explosions was just instakill on Bursters always

[lethal folio]

30x damage just tends to instakill them in most cases.

[still hearth]

That makes sense

[cyan notch]

shows how weak void explosions are

[lethal folio]

Beast of nurgle also take increased explosive damage, so trauma is pretty solid against him.

[near wyvern]

Yeah I noticed this

You get a good chunk every time with Trauma, better than BB against it

[still hearth]

Interesting

[cyan notch]

someone said surge on trauma doesnt work for charged attack

would be cool if it did

[rocky cedar]

Yeah it would

[cyan notch]

4x damage

[olive ember]

Is trauma good now?

[rocky cedar]

Hoping it might have been stealth fixed with BS but don't have one to test 😢

[olive ember]

I can go back to CBT Psyker loadout copium?

[rocky cedar]

We just had this conversation

#traumawasalwaysgood

[near wyvern]

Don't have one with surge so can't verify. Otherwise I would.

[rocky cedar]

I've seen it bug reported and acknowledged on forums

For what that's worth

Which is probably not a lot

[near wyvern]

Yes. It's not a lotta damage but its your deal with anything staff now.

Point and click adventure.

[cyan notch]

point at sky and click adventure

[still hearth]

It still knocks hordes around awkwardly though

[olive ember]

Perfect

Fuck those randos

[ornate hamlet]

because bad code design

[near wyvern]

It still knocks hordes around awkwardly gloriously though

Fixed it for ya

[still hearth]

Ogryn/Zealot walking towards the horde.
Psyker: WATCH THIS MAGIC TRICK
-Trauma sounds-
Psyker has been kicked.

[olive ember]

The average rando doesn’t even know there’s a kick function

[still hearth]

Yeah you can just go into Sedition games

And troll newbies

And no one can stop you

[cyan notch]

ogryns do that sometimes too

see horde = F

but why tho

[rocky cedar]

Attack speed buff?

[still hearth]

Because they want to feel something

[worthy wedge]

Instinct/fun

[cyan notch]

now theres shit everywhere and ur 50m away

u aggroed shooters ahead and are alone

[worthy wedge]

And tanky

[still hearth]

https://tenor.com/view/watchmen-gif-8794746

[near wyvern]

I was in a bugged damnation with an endless horde and asked if my trauma work was any good. The Zealot said she liked it and it helped a lot.

[rocky cedar]

If they're smart they cancel it early to just get the buff then keep fighting

[near wyvern]

Just keep spamming at your team mates feet.

[olive ember]

I’ve used it before it’s nice CC in a circle

I used to spam it at my feet if I get swarmed

[fresh halo]

Worth upgrading ?

[near wyvern]

With Trauma, all you need to do is to keep the team safe. If all scatter, pick your favourite and you two are now the team. The rest will get shit flying on their face.

[fresh halo]

Or should I stick with this one ?

[near wyvern]

No. You want as close to 80% burn and burn radius and Warp Flurry on Purge is still bugged.

[near wyvern]

This is a lot better

[fresh halo]

Roger that

[ornate hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/lol-goonies-the-goonies-gif-17881913

ogryns

[near wyvern]

What a horrific gif

[ornate hamlet]

it's from The Goonies

[rocky cedar]

They're RPing lay off

[ornate hamlet]

if you haven't seen the original goonies movie, go watch it

[near wyvern]

Based on this gif, no thank you

[ornate hamlet]

kids these days have no idea what they're missing

80's movies were the shit

[lethal folio]

this smite peril cost bug is starting to annoy me.

[long wharf]

Goonies is a classic movie

[ornate hamlet]

my fav movie is Blade Runner
but there's a ton of amazing 80's movies

[long wharf]

Blade Runner is also one of my favorite movies of all time

I have a movie poster framed and hanging in my home office

[near wyvern]

Smite peril cost?

[long wharf]

I backed the RPG kickstarter as well

[ornate hamlet]

the newer blade runner did the original justice for the most part, but the plot/story could have been better

[long wharf]

80s and early 90s were fucking magical

[long wharf]

Completely agree

[lethal folio]

Smite randomly doubles the peril cost.

[rocky cedar]

Smite as in surge alt fire?

[lethal folio]

Brainburst, g, smite.

[rocky cedar]

Oh ok

So I just saw another 20 mb download for Darktide

[summer prairie]

is it due to kinetic flayer or some other reason

[rocky cedar]

Reckon it's a coherency regen fix?

[long wharf]

That'd be a kick to the groin, if Kinetic Flayer now has peril cost

[ornate hamlet]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QvJajVj28w

this part was a play on the scene when he was investigating the photos from the apartment and telling the computer to zoom in, but they redid it in the form of using google glass to control an orbital drone launching airstrikes while having her nails done lol
one of the best scenes

[lethal folio]

I don't use flayer.

[wet jacinth]

Mission Control. This isnt Hoxxes-6 Get back to Work

[rocky cedar]

Ok no it's this:

[wet jacinth]

[lethal folio]

I have to hold onto f even if I start bb from 60%.

[iron marten]

I want to give Trauma staff another go with the changes but how is it best utilized? engaging enemies and groups from afar or using the secondary only during the thick of it to stagger things around your teammates?

[still hearth]

You want to herd enemies into a doorway

And then smack the floor

Repeatedly

[strong fog]

Sorry but still not clear. Deflector no longer work while ressing, stated to be intended or new introduced bug ?

[rocky cedar]

Intended

[still hearth]

Intended but in the "suppression works as intended" way

So they'll likely change this

[rocky cedar]

Same with Ogryn shield

Which is even more perplexing

[still hearth]

What they said is that they want to consider how Deflector + Slab Shield should work.

So now they work the same

[rocky cedar]

Yeah it's probably not final

But it is intended for now

[near wyvern]

It doesn't

[still hearth]

It was likely just a thing that happened because of the blessings change.

They just toggled all blessings to turn off when your weapon isn't active.

[wet jacinth]

Just make suppression be like you got hit with a truck. Dazed/Submissive and vulnerable for any pox Walker to just be able to fuck you up badly