psyker-class

[north cradle]

How'd I miss that up until now

[clear heath]

It's always done that for me. It doesn't actually change once you do the upgrade tho

[manic needle]

To be fair after I learned it could happen at all I stopped paying attention to weapon rating after upgrading lol

[orchid cairn]

I'm pretty sure I'll come back to update that guide if Fatshark ever stops being slowpokes and actually adds a class career or profession etc. to Psyker that is 100% focused on Gunslinging.

Because that could be a possibility.

In 2030.

Lmao

[manic needle]

It's a little bit of a shame that content like subclasses is on hold because the game needs to be fixed first

But I'm slowly ascribing to the philosophy of the patient gamer tbh

[north cradle]

When Sienna fourth class

[orchid cairn]

Make a ginger female Psyker with a Purgatus Staff.

Sorry that is the only way.

[manic needle]

Actual update on that: Aqushy says the VT2 team is back to supporting that game fully, and the class is more or less fleshed out and ready for fine tuning with playtesting

[orchid cairn]

Oh you are actually talking about VT 2 lmfao.

I thought he wanted a Sienna to Darktide.

[manic needle]

We have her eyes, that's good enough for me 😌

[north cradle]

Psyker is a better Sienna for me

[compact cargo]

glock sienna

[steel vapor]

Who is Sienna? (i assume its a fantasy character, not that well versed in that lore)

[manic needle]

It's the Vermintide 2 caster class

[clear heath]

vermintide 2 character

[fierce sinew]

vt2 mage

[north cradle]

Vermintide 2 character. Kind of the black sheep of the Ubersreik Five

[manic needle]

Basically a fire mage

[steel vapor]

ahaa

[clear heath]

it's the only character in vt2 that still doesn't have its dlc class

[fierce sinew]

still waiting on darktide beamstaff + transfer peril

[steel vapor]

so basically you guys are asking for a flame-subclass or something?

[cyan notch]

coming next week

[north cradle]

Subclasses

[fierce sinew]

I want to brainlesslessly wave a hitscan beam at head level and listen to an endless stream of headshot sound clipping into itself punctuated by teammate voicelines about how good at the game I am

[steel vapor]

well, that kind of stuff i assume is going to start rolling out with the seasonal content, and i guess that just got pushed back because we so dastardly demanded crafting and bugfixes to be implemented first ^^

[north cradle]

The Psyker's gone karking mad, I love it

[orchid cairn]

Relating to this: The Darktide Critical Hit sound effect is very satisfying. I have a Devil's Claw with a Crit Build and you get a lot of that nice thump sound.

[north cradle]

The metallic thwacking sound, right?

[orchid cairn]

It's hard to explain how it sounds, it just sounds nice.

[north cradle]

I can at least explain the special kill sounds

Elites go schwoop and specialists go shhthump

[regal musk]

The most satiusfying sound is lobbing a fully charged Voidstrike through a massive horde and getting multiple heads and crits along the way

[orchid cairn]

The Critical Hit sound for me sounds like someone closing a drawer fast and hard.

[manic needle]

I'm still amazed at the amount of hate Voidstrike gets here sometimes

[regal musk]

Ooh. Wonder how well this will turn if i ever get enough Plasteel lol

[orchid cairn]

It was the only Staff I ever had fun with as Psyker personally before I stopped playing with staffs completely.

[north cradle]

Too bad the Damage isn't the Quell Speed but what can you do

[fierce sinew]

it's definitely the most gunlike

[manic needle]

As you're a gun psyker that doesn't surprise me, it's basically the gun staff 😄

[regal musk]

Voidstrike kind of needs a team to really shine. If the team is working together and funnelling mobs, Voidstrike obliterates. When you have the average rando team scattering to the four corners on the map every 2 seconds, it starts to struggle lol

[north cradle]

What guns do you gun psykers use?

I'm a Kantrael Mk XII enjoyer myself

[cyan notch]

i dont think void struggles with anything

[manic needle]

It can make you feel vulnerable at first, but using it made me get better at movement tech and positional sound queues.

[cyan notch]

it can handle itself solo or with a team

[orchid cairn]

I just linked my guide awhile ago, you can go check my used ones from there if you feel like it.

[manic needle]

Based and voidpilled

[fierce sinew]

I think void is strictly medium

it's not terrible or anything

[manic needle]

You say medium, I say versatile

[regal musk]

Right, but when the idiots masquerading as your team run around like headless chooks triggering waves of mobs from literally every direction ... It can get overwhelmed.
Got so bad after i started Heresy that i switched to Purgatus ...

[north cradle]

Average boltgun fan vs average lasgun enjoyer

[orchid cairn]

I guess you could say that, yeah. For me with the Voidstrike it felt like actually shooting stuff and throwing magic missiles to the enemy blobs and not just afking and getting bored while standing in a choke point with a Purgatus or the Force Lighting staff.

[fierce sinew]

if we're talking malice I think void is better than medium

[cyan notch]

void is petty good for rescuing dogged teammates in a horde too

[north cradle]

Voidstrike is your choice between Magic Missile and Fireball

I guess Trauma would be Flame Pillar

[fierce sinew]

voidstrike is probably the best staff in malice, or close

[manic needle]

You can use it to simultaneously horde clear and control elites in the middle of it through staggers

[regal musk]

Voidstrike remains my favourite staff to use. I just only use it in T4+ when i have friends to play with. And i have no friends.
So im stuck saving randos with my Purgatus XD

[fierce sinew]

I just don't think of that as the real game I guess

yes

[manic needle]

The Surge staff definitely gets a lot of flak for the general feel of its playstyle, and I can see why. I just like leaning back and stunlocking enemies when I have good teammates sometimes 😌

[north cradle]

I'm gonna be spending a lot of time with Zealot and Veteran penances, so I'm probably going to forget how to play Psyker soonish

[fierce sinew]

not enough better, but some better

[regal musk]

Still petitioning to have the primary ball switched to a hitscan lightning bolt 😛

[vernal frost]

The peril cost was halved yea

[clear heath]

been seeing a lot of trauma users recently
probably a lot of people wanting to try out the buffs

[fierce sinew]

make the primary a lightning reskin of the beam staff primary

ez

[manic needle]

If you do a high peril playstyle with Trauma like Dave does, then you wont notice much difference

Lots of people seem to be enjoying it more though

[orchid cairn]

Yeah the surge staff is very useful. I think it's just a matter of what we personally play with. As a Gun Psyker I don't have any horde clear so I prefer a Purgatus staff Psyker to my team to help with that.

[regal musk]

Beam staff? I only played a little of VT1, gave up when all my matches were with bots lol.

[orchid cairn]

Acutally my most successful runs on average have been with 2 Psykers, 1 Ogryn and 1 Veteran.

[fierce sinew]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xYOrsEyYDI

[orchid cairn]

No love for Zealot lmao.

[fierce sinew]

I mean vt2 meme staff

[manic needle]

With these changes to coherency-based toughness regeneration, Purgatus looks incredibly strong tbh

[restive solar]

I just finished a match with only psykers

that was the most wholesome moment

[regal musk]

I could definitely get behind that lol

[orchid cairn]

That usually goes great at first but then it's a very shaky foundation.

[fierce sinew]

when the game ran out of teammates to congratulate you characters that weren't even in the run would chime in

saltz holding the camera

fun weapon

[regal musk]

Be nice if they made all the staves with unique primaries tied to their secondaries tho

[restive solar]

Hey man ill take what i can get, not many randoms i play with are "nice"

[orchid cairn]

Yeah true dat.

[summer prairie]

curio toughness_regen_rate_modifier is additive. So it being 1.2 per curio, it adds up to 3.6 or 360% higher regen

[fierce sinew]

2 purg 1 surge 1 void or something is a perfectly serviceable comp I think

[orchid cairn]

Still need the bloody option of having an Autopistol, Revolver etc. on the other hand and a melee weapon on the other.

[summer prairie]

that's why it's so broken

[fierce sinew]

l m a o

[clear heath]

wait what

what the fuck

[fierce sinew]

beyond clown shoes

the entire circus foot locker

[orchid cairn]

It's a bloody Shamefur Dispray that this thing didn't come with the game on launch.

[fierce sinew]

what a time to be alive

[clear heath]

no fucking way

[orchid cairn]

So they fucked up?

How awfully lush.

[north cradle]

Most likely

[clear heath]

so 20% became a +120%?

[summer prairie]

yes, there's also a toughness_regen_rate_multiplier but it's not used, so they can just switch to that

[silver ermine]

Voidstrike ani-cancel still a thing?

[summer prairie]

20% is probably still 20%, but when you have more than one it adds up 1.2+1.2+1.2

[clear heath]

someone should try timing it just to make sure

cause that sounds rediculous

[summer prairie]

It feels incredibly fast

[clear heath]

although it does feel rediculous in use as well

i thought i was just imagining things because i wasn't used to it being any faster

[orchid cairn]

I see, I see. Now I get it.

[clear heath]

now that i think about it, a non-ogryn class with 2 toughness regen speed curios felt faster than my ogryn with lynchpin pre-patch, so maybe it's true

[cyan notch]

https://streamable.com/ec1vwv

[clear heath]

wait, how does it work with ogryn feat?

[summer prairie]

I think it's 720% base then

[clear heath]

so ogryn multiplies with it?

[summer prairie]

based on the code, yes

[orchid cairn]

Immortal Ogryn.

[clear heath]

wild

[manic needle]

Absolute Fatshark Moment

[still hearth]

Wait so

[cyan notch]

isnt there that one reddit post

[fierce sinew]

imagine dying through that amount of regen

[still hearth]

It's 1x by default but one curio makes it 1.2x?

But add another it becomes 2.4?

[summer prairie]

yes

[still hearth]

Excuse my French

But what the fuck

https://tenor.com/view/what-the-fuck-wtf-what-huh-shocked-gif-17215720

[manic needle]

I knew there was no way the regen rate was intended

[idle bay]

I wonder what they will break when they will be fixing it 🙂

[orchid cairn]

They will switch to that don't worry mate..... when we are all in a retirement home with their speed of doing things.

[manic needle]

Psykers now explode whenever they use a Psyker ability

[regal musk]

And summons a Deamonhost

[manic needle]

Nah theyll just revert the changes for Kinetic Overload for that

[orchid cairn]

Summons an allied Daemonhost which clears the map for you, but then you get executed for Heresy when arriving to The Mourningstar.

[fierce sinew]

in the short term maybe they just revert, like they did with the surge strobe

[idle bay]

It will make Psyker explode, auto-vote-kick him from the mission and summon 2 demonhosts in his place 🙂

[floral solstice]

random vets in damnation be like

[fierce sinew]

that happened pretty fast by fatshark standards

[manic needle]

I feel like fixing a math error might not actually be that hard, but I'll reiterate that I know next to nothing about coding.

[vernal frost]

ah yes the 5 wounds plasma gun kamikaze build

inspired by psyker ™

[cyan notch]

if they fix this before deflector

[summer prairie]

Fixing this is literally just changing toughness_regen_rate_modifier to toughness_regen_rate_multiplier

[cyan notch]

[true shadow]

Man

[manic needle]

I mean, regardless tbh

[rocky cedar]

I give Toughness regen speed like a week or two before it's fixed

[manic needle]

Like 5 minutes of QA testing would have picked up on this

[summer prairie]

though if they do that, it will still be 1.2x1.2x1.2 instead of 1.6

[rocky cedar]

That'd be fine

If it's multiplicative

[clear heath]

yeah but honestly who cares? less noticably broken than whatever we have now

[rocky cedar]

Does anyone know the math how it interacts with regen delay?

[fierce sinew]

it might even land in a place where it's a strong alternative to the existing perk options on curios, instead of the blank text it was before

[manic needle]

The end result is that you effectively end up with an extra 12% Toughness Regen. Not terrible at all

[austere estuary]

I think that's more straightforward, and just works as it did before the patch

where the delay comes down to be very fast

[rocky cedar]

Found it in Zealot chat

[austere estuary]

did you get a specific number?

[rocky cedar]

0.8 multiplicative with max roll

[slow karma]

QA isn't responsible for the devs acting on their feedback

[rocky cedar]

So 3 max roll perks is roughly halving the delay

[manic needle]

A fair point

[slow karma]

They likely found it. But nothing was changed because reasons

No way to know but blaming QA is never the play

They do their jobs. It's up to the time budgeting devs to actually do theirs

[manic needle]

Im not really blaming the QA as much as I'm making the assumption that it wasnt utilized properly

[fierce sinew]

I usually like blaming "the QA process" rather than individuals involved

fewer office hurt feelings

[slow karma]

That's not quite right either

the QA process is not the development process.

[vernal frost]

Looks like they just didn't have enough time to test all of the things to make sure

[slow karma]

They're two sides of the same coin, but one side sometimes just lands face up more often

[vernal frost]

The patch was pretty massive for the dev team's time slacking

[slow karma]

Again, the testing gets done regardless. It's usually the devs don't have time to implement smaller changes

Time constraints and the like, prioritization, etc. It's complicated shit

I just see QA thrown under the bus by the masses a bit too often to not defend them lol

[fierce sinew]

this push was delayed enough that they had to know expectations were higher

[slow karma]

Knowing isn't the same as caring lel

[fierce sinew]

they dropped a pretty big ball

[slow karma]

The expectations weren't gonna be any lower with fatshark's rap.

[steel egret]

Additive or mul.. multi multiplicible ah fuck it, either way very common issue in darktide.

[slow karma]

At this point, I'm just eager for them to get on the grind again

[manic needle]

Ehh whatever we end up with a few days of meme toughness, nbd

Good time to Penance hunt and test out new builds lol

[steel egret]

If you have curios ready its np, and its probably temp.

[fierce sinew]

especially since "next week" is a meme at this point, the cost of one more delay seems less. Not like they had any reputation left to burn vis a vis punctuality

[steel egret]

Next months.

[slow karma]

Valid take

[fierce sinew]

unenviable position either way

[slow karma]

Working at Fatshark is an unenviable position.

[steel egret]

It went Tomorrow>Next Week>Next Months

[slow karma]

I know how hard this shit is, but they can do better. Anyone can.

[fierce sinew]

I don't know, from a certain perspective it seems like the people who are collectively responsible for all this and yet remain gainfully employed clearly enjoy more job security than some

I've known people taken off projects for less

[steel egret]

I dont believe they dropped xbox only due comment of CM that not everyone is working on it before community update.

Personally dont believe much they say anyway.

[slow karma]

Well they don't answer to anyone else

they steer this ship themselves

I just want them to not be such fucking hacks

Like come on, you do great on a baseline gameplay and gamefeel level

[ornate hamlet]

they said they were going to be releasing subclasses every month after launch

[slow karma]

why are you guys so miserable at the technical side of this shit?

[fierce sinew]

if their kanban board looks like what little of their codebase I've seen it wouldn't surprise me to learn that other than the guy or guys working on a specific thing and their direct supervisor nobody knows what anybody else is working on

[manic needle]

Oh no, general chat is getting heated

Time to come back here where it's cozy

[fierce sinew]

I never go there

[slow karma]

General chat can get spaced

[ornate hamlet]

why, not enough cosmetics to microtransaction?

[slow karma]

Full of bigots and children

[manic needle]

No, it's uhh. Weird.

[fierce sinew]

I prefer bigots and children to the kind of degenerate I expect to find in general chat

[slow karma]

Well you get both

[languid tusk]

exactly, why not both

[slow karma]

Por que no los both, bitch?

[fierce sinew]

https://tenor.com/view/why-not-both-por-que-no-los-dos-yey-gif-15089379

[slow karma]

But yeah, it's fucking horsewater in there

I live here now

If only for the lack of that nasty slowmode :V

Imagine carrying a conversation?

Couldn't be me

[ornate hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/necrons-warhammer-gauss-gif-24598584

[manic needle]

Is this from the trailer where the Necrons ended up jobbing for the Ultramarine Primaris marines?

I remember that controversy

[ornate hamlet]

what psyker is supposed to be

[manic needle]

Im down for making Voidstrike more like that :>

[ornate hamlet]

ikr

[slow karma]

That'd be rad

[ornate hamlet]

there's so much more they could do with the class

[slow karma]

They have a lot of design space to explore

[ornate hamlet]

offering subclasses for different staff types, etc

[slow karma]

They'll get there

that's exactly what they're gonna do

[steel egret]

In 5 years or so

[slow karma]

It's what they did in VT

Hey I don't give a shit, they'll get there eventually

[steel egret]

Thats true

[slow karma]

And I'll come back to play it

[true shadow]

BAD NEWS BOYS

https://gyazo.com/a7ab70cdb239cbd84c0786899fa0f05d

PSYKER DEFLECTOR -NERFED-

-INTENTIONALLY-

[uneven drift]

[true shadow]

"WHAT SURVIVABILITY NERFS"

[slow karma]

Again this wouldn't be such a rough idea if they didn't make this is a damn live service

[uneven drift]

Huh.

Stupid bot.

[manic needle]

RIP Deflector tbh

Man that sucks

[slow karma]

I mean there was no need for a string of emojis

[steel egret]

True if this had no word of live service, I wouldnt expect it.

[manic needle]

Devs really do hate this class, it's not a meme

[slow karma]

What did they even change?

You can't rez with it or something?

[manic needle]

Deflector no longer works vs. ranged when ressing

[slow karma]

Oh ok

[worthy wedge]

Do they want every psyker blessing to just be meh?

[manic needle]

And Kinetic Deflection... well youve seen the notes

[slow karma]

Yeah that's rough but I can live with it

[true shadow]

holy fuck i can't believe they just nerfed the fuck out of deflector for NO REASON

WOW.

[slow karma]

I've not gotten a single deflector sword yet so

[true shadow]

if you had deflector sword you'd understand how amazing it is at revives on heresy+

[slow karma]

No, there's kind of a reason

[true shadow]

and yet i am no longer allowed to do that

what's next, i get to spawn and instantly die?

[slow karma]

Hey I'm not agreeing with this change but ranged fire is meant to be spooky

[true shadow]

oh wait that's happened to me too hahahahahahah

[true shadow]

tell that to every. other. class.

every. single. one.

play them. play veteran. play zealot. play ogryn.

[slow karma]

What the fuck are you talking about?

[steel egret]

I mean someone probably reported it as a bug and then they decided they didnt plan it to work like that, so fuck psykers lets remove it.

[true shadow]

the only one i havent played is ogryn but i can guarantee you, none of them struggle with ranged as much as the psyker.

[slow karma]

No other class can block bullets at all

[true shadow]

the one thing the psyker had over them, blocking ranged while reviving and blocking ranged in general on the move

gone!

[steel egret]

Ogryn shield but

[true shadow]

ogryn shield btw

[steel egret]

Thats it

[slow karma]

It's called suppressing fire.

[true shadow]

also, ogryns can take health damage and revive unlike any other class

psyker can't. psyker's revive tool was the deflector protection

[steel egret]

Well

[slow karma]

OK well, fuck you too, I'm not acknowledging your ranting any more

We'll adapt

[true shadow]

what an actual cunt response. i'm not entirely sure what your problem is or why you've been upset with everything i've posted but you do you i guess

[manic needle]

Psykers aren't allowed to bring anything unique to the table

[worthy wedge]

Yeah I'm fine with shooting being scary. I just want our blessings to be neat.

[true shadow]

no, it's really not cool that psyker continuously gets nerfed and has its unique abilities taken away on a whim.

shooting is scary for a psyker. deflector didn't make ranged attacks suddenly worthless

[slow karma]

There's a lot we need, I won't ever deny that.

[true shadow]

they drain the FUCK out of stamina, and if you use perilblocking they ramp your peril up to 90 in seconds

[steel egret]

I mean this always happens to my favourite class.

[slow karma]

But fuck sake, calm down

[true shadow]

on heresy+, not malice.

malice it doesnt rly matter

[slow karma]

I'm used to being kicked around but I've never had anything I've been playing be nerfed to uselessness

[grim magnet]

what actually is psyker's role on a team? veteran can quickly dispatch shooters and specials, ogryn can tank and crowd control hordes, and zealot can shred through the healthbars of ogryns and monstrosities

[manic needle]

tfw the game is balanced by Malice Heroes

[true shadow]

there was nothing broken with deflector. then it gets a random nerf to its one massive utility and becomes functionally useless.

[grim magnet]

what is psyker meant to do?

[steel egret]

Ive had that happen around 3-5 times.

[true shadow]

the only thing psyker can do is stunlock enemies and interrupt mutants risk-free. that's it. that's the psyker's role now.

that's an exaggeration yeah but like, i do not get it.

[slow karma]

Bad hand, friend.

[regal musk]

free up ammo for the team

[steel egret]

Explode

[slow karma]

I know the feeling but it's just not worth....this nonsense.

[true shadow]

well if you use a staff you aren't using ammo so that's about it really

[grim magnet]

is busting all over a horde actually viable? i've done it a few times

[true shadow]

you've really got to stop taking what people post seriously sometimes. it's not general chat, ideally nobody is actually physically upset over a video game.

yeah i'm tired of the constant bitching about the exact same things too

[slow karma]

Like fuck, are these servers only supposed to be for complaining and moaning about the negatives all the time anymore? That's all I get out of gaming communities nowadays, it's exhausting.

[steel egret]

Not really, but you can explode.

[manic needle]

People dote on the ammo point a lot but I feel like 4 vets with ammo hungry boltguns could viably play together

[true shadow]

but you also can't expect people to not be annoyed that the class they want to play is getting nerfed into the ground

[true shadow]

they CAN

i've done it!

[tawny swallow]

have funny voices :)

[true shadow]

yeah that too thanks fat tony we love you

[manic needle]

This is a pretty big disappointment, so negativity is to be expected for a while at least

[true shadow]

but yeah, psyker continuously gets the short end of the stick. this has been the case for every. single. patch.

[steel egret]

Clown suit from cash shop and blow up barrels.

[slow karma]

It's never going to stop

[steel egret]

And himself of course

[slow karma]

It will barely abate even once the game is in a better state.

[true shadow]

it has been a complete downhill track for this specific class, without any huge improvements

[slow karma]

I've seen it time and again

[true shadow]

since closed beta.

[steel egret]

Hoonk level 14 psyker

[true shadow]

that's frustrating.

[manic needle]

I too miss the golden age that made me fall in love with this class

[cyan notch]

damn fs kinda mid now huh

maybe i should use chainsword

[slow karma]

and I'll be repulsed and never interact again just like every other server for every other imperfect game out there.

[true shadow]

like, it's just sad. i want to use the class unique weapons.

but now the only one i consider viable for my playstyle is the purgatus staff

even the fuckin force sword is pointless now to me

so what's the point in playing psyker lol

[bold flint]

[tawny swallow]

who knows, maybe in the next 5 years when they role out extra subclasses for 19.99 the psyker might get something nice

[manic needle]

If I come back Ill probably end up trying Dueling sword at endgame

[true shadow]

i can just play zealot and do better in every single role my psyker currently has now

tank, revives, crowd control

[worthy wedge]

FS push should have extra range on it or something.

[true shadow]

but instead of having to actually try to survive, i have complete invulnerability frames on my slide and if i take a hit too many, i still get a chance to completely survive. also, i can't be staggered by any damage.

[clear heath]

it does have more range than most pushes tho

[true shadow]

that's how it was pre-nerf. longer range(really good push!) but used peril. now it's free but doesn't use peril until you do the full push

the peril buildup was really good for certain builds that are still technically usable

[worthy wedge]

oh damn, bring it back

[manic needle]

I dont remember it using peril in the closed beta

[true shadow]

because you didnt have to spam the special

[true shadow]

it used peril

[manic needle]

Im pretty sure it was larger radius + free push but IDK

[true shadow]

post cbt they changed that with the ult nerf too

it was larger radius + 5% peril push iirc

sorry 4 peril not 5

and the patch notes specifically mention making it free too so its just

yeah, ok, cool, infinite free stunlock i guess.

[manic needle]

I do specifically remember people complaining that the push cost peril now when the Pre-Order Paid Beta started

[true shadow]

not quite as cool as the mega push it had

[clear heath]

it has a good enough range behind you to do this shit

[true shadow]

yeah that wasn't infinite before

and the push was godtier

[clear heath]

the push is still great

[true shadow]

the sword as it was in cbt and post was basically

a weapon that thrives below high peril but ramps up to danger quickly

amazing crowd control and high damage special

at high difficulties it was just GREAT

and not really hard to use, so the class didn't feel like it was too weak

now to do the same thing you have to macro it or induce a repetitive strain injury or carpal tunnel

to spam your lmb while holding rmb

[ornate hamlet]

it's 3m, it used to be 5m

our dps buff from each stack used to be 5% also btw, which is now 3%

[clear heath]

i'm not pressing it that fast

[ornate hamlet]

essentially everything about psyker was nearly nerfed to be half as effective as it was in the beta

[clear heath]

yeah i know it got range nerfed. i played back before when it cost peril as well
It's still far longer than i would ever need it to be

[still hearth]

Meanwhile Veterans

[ornate hamlet]

got mostly buffed lol

[true shadow]

congrats, that's just like, your personal opinion or something i guess

[manic needle]

There were people who felt Psyker was underpowered in the beta, even then

[true shadow]

if it's not your playstyle it's not your playstyle.

[ornate hamlet]

zealot got semi-nerfed too but they're still OP

[manic needle]

I dont think I agree with that take but still

[worthy wedge]

FS should hire me to redo psyker's perks, then when everyone still hates it I get laid off but at least it's kinda better than now.

[true shadow]

that doesn't mean it wasnt a nerf and it doesn't mean it didn't negatively affect psyker as a whole for other people

[clear heath]

you can talk shit about anything else force sword or psyker has, but the push is still amazing

[true shadow]

but it was better. in a non broken way.

that's the point.

it was -better- than it is now. and it wasn't broken.

[ornate hamlet]

ppl talk about zealot moving and attacking at light speed, but they used to be almost twice as fast as they are now lol

[true shadow]

it got changed because people complained about the peril cost a lot

and fatshark is deathly afraid of making things OP

[clear heath]

I'm fine with either version of it tbh

[true shadow]

so they nerfed it (a little bit) and made it free

which did... absolutely nothing besides make it weaker

and change how you get peril for certain builds

because instead of spamming the push to get peril, i just spam the special instead.

not much difference. just a little more annoying.

[clear heath]

the range loss isn't that big of a loss imo
you still stagger everything staggerable that could possibly reach you

[true shadow]

tell that to ragers without doing the full peril push

🤔

[clear heath]

I said everything staggerable

[still hearth]

I'm pretty sure the only Damnation players on Fatshark plays Veteran

[true shadow]

ragers can be staggered

🤔

[clear heath]

staggerable by the push

[true shadow]

ragers can be staggered by pushes. 🤔

[clear heath]

if you can't do it now, you couldn't before anyways

[ornate hamlet]

devs play their games on controllers and they're always terrible at actually playing games

[manic needle]

I dont know if this is true but it makes so much sense

[still hearth]

I'll have to keep that in mind for my own game dev journey

[ornate hamlet]

inb4 vet gets aim assist next patch

[still hearth]

I did make it up but it feels that way

[true shadow]

fatshark has openly admitted they do not balance around higher difficulties and never have. not in vt1, not in vt2, not now

[manic needle]

Bad excuse tbh. Arent they a big enough studio to hire someone to help with that?

[clear heath]

we're talking about the same company that let 360% toughness regen speed slip by

maybe they have 0 playtesters

[manic needle]

They probably treat QA feedback the same way they treat player feedback

[true shadow]

yeah, i'm just disappointed with psyker.

[ornate hamlet]

what they meant when they said that is that all balance changes they make have the same effect in all difficulties before modifiers

[true shadow]

every time i go and play it and get good with playing it

[true shadow]

no they legitimately do not play higher difficulties.

i'm talking about older statements, idk if i can find it rn im fairly sleep deprived

but it was pre-darktide

[true shadow]

something gets nerfed into the ground unexpectedly. i just want a good fun psyker.

[ornate hamlet]

it doesn't actually matter because higher difficulties are the same thing, there's just modifiers being applied and extra enemies being added in

[true shadow]

it kind of does matter, though?

scaling enemy health and amount changes gameplay by a lot :)

[ornate hamlet]

yes it matters, because some math doesn't scale the same when the modifiers are applied, which is why when they nerfed BB they ruined it

like straight up ruined it lol

[true shadow]

yep

[clear heath]

yeah i was just about to say, it matters for BB breakpoints

[ornate hamlet]

the real underlying issue with balance in this game is how they do the modifiers

[grim magnet]

BB should instakill everything

[ornate hamlet]

(and how some effects from talents or blessing are OP as shit because of certain synergistic effects they have with certain weapons, talents or blessing effects)

there's also the issue of modifier stacking, some modifiers have exponential effects when stacking while others have additive (making only some really strong while others are trash)

[clear heath]

maybe the devs really struggle with ammo and think staves are super OP because of it

[true shadow]

regardless of the reasoning the combat dev team has, it's just fucking ridiculous

[steel egret]

All vets

[ornate hamlet]

itemization in this game is also ridiculous btw

[manic needle]

Aww man, this server doesnt have any real Psyker emoji's, so I can't even take out my frustration with the Deflector nerf in emoji form

[clear heath]

speaking of ammo, i wonder when we're gonna get that datamined extra ammo condition for missions

[manic needle]

WHat is this world coming to?

[steel egret]

No exploding heat emoji or swiss cheese shield

[still hearth]

[clear heath]

supposedly someone found a condition where it was extra ammo and less healing items
can't wait till that comes out so we can all complain about psyker more

[true shadow]

==

[manic needle]

Please, I can do that far in advance of that condition being released

[true shadow]

yeah i just

i guess i get to go play more zealot or somethin

[manic needle]

I mean they might as well release it and make any percieved advantages of the class a true meme

[true shadow]

cause im bored as fuck of my vet and psyker got another nerf

[clear heath]

zealot is pretty fun

[true shadow]

yeah even with the crucian fix it's still hilarious fun with 1h chainsword

wish i could say the same for psyker! hahahahaha 😿

[clear heath]

been playing crit tac axe and it's pretty fun to just run into gunners and smack them all

crucian was never needed for crit taxe so it still works great

[true shadow]

just wish i could wear either of the excoriator hoods without being bald :D

[clear heath]

also, zealot feels a lot better now just because of this
previously you had to personally stand behind the bulwark to stun them with the grenade

now i don't have to cry anymore when 2 bulwarks are stacked on top of eachother inside a horde

[true shadow]

you must cry anyway

[lethal folio]

I cry because all the non-grenade explosives are magically blocked because you are infront of the bulwark

[true shadow]

i just need to print this out and frame it on my wall

fatshark made me doom with one simple message

:(.

[clear heath]

ahahahaha

i'm in pain too

[summer prairie]

It's fair that ogryn should be allowed to use the shield as well if deflector works

[manic needle]

🗡️ 🔫 <-actual image of the devs rolling out the new patch

[clear heath]

I mean honestly it was silly that ogryn shield didn't work

[true shadow]

it was very silly the ogryn shield didnt stop it

but at least ogryn could keep reviving while taking health damage

which no other class can

[idle bay]

What a bunch of lazies.....

[true shadow]

in summary, go fuck myself!

[still hearth]

What if.. Psyker could just always parry bullets

[clear heath]

the other classes have a good tool for revives in the form of grenades anyways
it's not too much to ask for us to have something

[still hearth]

Hire me Fatshark

[true shadow]

yeah maybe if deflector is pointless, psykers should always be able to block bullets 🤔

[summer prairie]

peril block reviving is still good if you aren't already at high peril

[idle bay]

Go on month long vacation immediately after hire 🙂

[true shadow]

unless you're being shot

[summer prairie]

yes

[still hearth]

That's my plan

[true shadow]

which is to say

its good on any difficulty that isnt heresy or damnation

😆

because you are literally always being shot or there's no reason to worry about peril!

[clear heath]

just throw a grena- oh

[true shadow]

yeah that's the veteran and zealot's free revive buttons

the ogryn's free revive button is the ability and health-revive tank

and psyker's was the deflector range block

now psyker has....

[still hearth]

Press F

[true shadow]

Nothing.

about 1.25 seconds of peace as the enemies wake up from being stunned by your psykinetic shout

(even while set on fire)

and then your revive gets interrupted even with stacked revive bonuses because fuck you!

you've been shot!

😆

[clear heath]

it's ok, just let them die

you didn't need them anyways

[still hearth]

Tbf reviving is a meme

[true shadow]

I want them alive.

[still hearth]

If anyone dies they should uninstall

[true shadow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HE3K3m02spM

[idle bay]

There should be a reddit post making fatshrak a butt of the joke about thier general approach and mindless nerfs

[true shadow]

so the entire darktide subreddit?

kind of sick of that shit tbh

[idle bay]

I have few ideas about how to update my negative review on steam already 🙂

[manic needle]

First content patch is a Darktide Hardcore mode

Released alongside a new modifier that doubles the number of exploding barrels

[true shadow]

imploding barrels you mean

[idle bay]

And radius is trippled

[true shadow]

today a barrel i was over 10m away from sucked me out of a room and threw me into the void

on torrent strike

clearly a chaos sorcerer was hidden in the barrel

tzeentch himself was there waiting

etc

[vale creek]

one day

a mutie yeeted me out from the map

[manic needle]

Average mutie encounter

[clear heath]

i've had a mutie phase me through the wall a couple times

[true shadow]

my favorite is when i JIP and get spawned into the void

i just slip through the floor as i spawn and instantly die

[clear heath]

they can also drag you into the enemy spawn doors and you have no way of escaping aside from disconnecting
pretty funny

[true shadow]

real psyker hours tbh

yeah that's called PRISON

[true shadow]

thats me rn

[ornate hamlet]

i can play this game in ascii code

[true shadow]

yeah that's reshade for you

but i want you to take it to the next level my love

let me show you.

[vale creek]

rtx on

[still hearth]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/PQxyPTNAXgEFC/spok?invite=cr-MSxaS1UsMTYwMDY1NDYwLA

Mutants are fun

[vale creek]

i honestly want a collar

[cyan notch]

ratiod

[vale creek]

without gasmask hood and pipe

[true shadow]

real darktide hours

[manic needle]

I cant believe they still havent fixed that lmao

[cyan notch]

one time a slug ate me and then ate another person and left me inside till i died

[still hearth]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/PQCzXT5lyFwVN/spok?invite=cr-MSxNanMsMTYwMDY1NDYwLA

[still hearth]

I clipped it a while ago tbf, but it's probably not fixed

[slow karma]

I'd rather the bodies just be gone frankly

[manic needle]

"We may not have fixed game-breaking bugs like Mutant kidnapping or Beast of Nurgle permavore, but on the plus side at least we nerfed Force Sword lmao" -Fatshark devs probably

[slow karma]

Lets me keep playing on my barely adequate rig

[manic needle]

I choose to believe it happened just now for the purposes of my rant.

[slow karma]

Your rant is based in the assumption that balance changes are as much work as bug fixes

[ornate hamlet]

depends on the bug

[cyan notch]

[ornate hamlet]

lol

[idle bay]

Trippy 🙂

There was LSD in those rations

[steel egret]

Its all Ogrei

[manic needle]

The game decided to give me a conciliatory staff for my anguish over FS nerf

I wonder how itll get 'd

[ornate hamlet]

run n gun

say it with me

[glad glade]

Yo guys, is Slaughterer Blessing on melee weapon still viable after the patch?

[manic needle]

All the better to sprint to cover sans Deflector with!

[idle bay]

I'd probably play some early access roguelike for couple of months, while reading Darktide patchnotes and checking this chat for what they really broken 🙂

[cyan notch]

upgrade it

[steel egret]

Run and gun and TB

[manic needle]

Yeah I think I'll grind out some mats after I sleep some. Why the hell not?

[cold mesa]

slaughterer is even better than it was

cos now it gives cleave and stagger as well as damage

[ornate hamlet]

when "yes yes flow through me" is appropriate:

[hoary hearth]

Is it worth spending melk coins on?

[ornate hamlet]

nope

[hoary hearth]

And reroll ordo dockets to toughness regen

[ornate hamlet]

the damage resistance from gunners is nice tho

[wet belfry]

What class?

[hoary hearth]

It's a psyker chat so it's a psyker

[wet belfry]

No

[summer prairie]

It's worth it if you don't have good curios

[ornate hamlet]

sorcerer

blood mage

[wet belfry]

Amazing

[ornate hamlet]

druid

[summer prairie]

Melk coins rarely have any use

[ornate hamlet]

barbarian

[steel vapor]

Tbh psyker plays almost more like a rogue with a few points in sorcerer 😂

[steel egret]

ESO nightblade

[steel vapor]

<- at least that what you get when a zealot main play psyker lel

[wet belfry]

Ill say that psyker actually has the best gameply loop out of any class.

[steel vapor]

Id agree to that

Not perfect but definitely seems to be the most "on your toes" engaging

For zealot its more like "to flamer or not to flamer"

[compact cargo]

Psyker buff when

[deft trench]

I think fatshark is incapable of buffing psyker

[vernal frost]

they said they did something with the railings tho

still no leg bbs

[deft trench]

Hardly a buff, more of a general gameplay fix lol

[vernal frost]

yeah true

[vale creek]

i dont think psyker is underpowered o.o

[vernal frost]

Personally I'm waiting for the force claymore

[idle bay]

Allowing us to BB Zealots that would be fun 🙂

[vale creek]

its just not boss dps class

[vernal frost]

Knife zealots that run ahead

psyker commissar

[vale creek]

but rather horde clear/cc/elite snipe

[jovial mural]

Am vet main and started playing psyker recently what are some tips?

[vernal frost]

don't blow up

[feral topaz]

"Administering the emperors mercy"
"But I'm a zealot"
"Carrying a knife, its mercy for my soul"

[vale creek]

I ONCE KILLED A BOSS BY BECOMING A LIVING GRENADE

[compact cargo]

What is psyker good at compared to everyone else

Outside of the funny 5 wounds build of blowing up

[vale creek]

killing hordes, CC a lot enemy in once

[vernal frost]

Extra nades and ammo for the team

[vale creek]

kill a sniper 100 m away FROM COVER

no class can do that

[vernal frost]

he's a semi ogrin in terms of revival if you have deflector

[compact cargo]

Ogryn and zealot kill better, ogryn has better c

[steel vapor]

Isnt that litterally what headpops do?

[compact cargo]

Not anymore, gunners will mess your day

[vernal frost]

yeah if that was intended, sure

[compact cargo]

U can just 1 shot sniper instead

rather than waste 2.8 seconds on it

[deft trench]

the only unique thing psykers can do is safely kill something from range, very slowly lol

[vale creek]

also no class can do magic

i dont think psyker is better or worst, it does the job aswell

[compact cargo]

Not really a + if magic is weaker than everything else

Doing the job is irrelevant, u can do the job with a lvl 30 revolver+knife psyker

[vernal frost]

just why the fuck would they do that, holy shit

[idle bay]

They karked both ogryns and sparkheads sideways....

[idle bay]

Beacuse they fat lazy sharks

[deft trench]

They found something cool that only a psyker could do, had to be removed

[compact cargo]

Ogryns got buffed tho, our f finally works and our talents no longer break, we can shift cancel the verticals too

[idle bay]

weapon speed is still borked even on Cleavers. no?

[vale creek]

i wont argue but my opinion is that psyker is not underpowered

[feral topaz]

psyker shafted by devs, also water is wet, more at 12, back to you at the studio bob

[deft trench]

You are one of the few that feel that way then lmao

[compact cargo]

No? It was never broken on cleavers, only weapon that worked, now it works with everything

[idle bay]

Oh yeah.... that Godslayer Tier Latrine Shovel will have a good time 🙂

[compact cargo]

yes so will the stinky pipe club

[idle bay]

I once met an Ogryn that abused some kind of animation cancel with a Shovel. I mean his attack speed was unnaturally fast, and animation of each hit was interrupted

[compact cargo]

think shovel is one of the few weapons left u can block cancel to be faster

[grim magnet]

how should i be using the lightning staff? it feels like the damage is super low

[compact cargo]

caxe been the other

[compact cargo]

Mediocre 6 target cc, mutant, busters, armor, all of it u can st agger it

[grim magnet]

nah psyker sucks, vet is way better at picking off specials and shooters

still playing it because i'm whimsical like that

might try the force staff again, apparently it got fixed?

[idle bay]

Zaps for Scabs (and every Flak wearing enemy) + Bulwarks, Reapers and Crushers.
For anything else , especially dregs and poxwalkers and moaners - use LMB blast or melee weapon. Or use zzap on dreg shooters just to stun them to get closer and chop their dicks off

[grim magnet]

holy shit the force staff is so much better

i'm shooting out kamahamehas

[manic needle]

You mean the Voidstrike?

[grim magnet]

yeah maybe i think

[manic needle]

If youre knocking down enemies with a big old psychic bowling ball, thats Voidstrike

[cold mesa]

yeah i'm liking voidstrike, is fun

[manic needle]

One of my personal favs, too

[grim magnet]

it actually feel powerful now

[cold mesa]

what did they fix about it? cos i was using it prior to the patch and liking it

[near wyvern]

Blazing spirit procs on the explosion as well and transfer peril now works with Quietitude. They also increased the peril gains a bit I think but that only makes it better, because with transfer peril you still quell more than what you use on horde.

[grim magnet]

is quietude the best level 5 feat? i've been using the one that gives you 10% toughness per warp kill

[gilded cloud]

Worth it to swap or not really?

[near wyvern]

Essence Harvest and Quietitude are the better once. Essence Harvest with BB and purge builds, Quietitude With surge, trauma and void.

[grim magnet]

do you have to quell the peril through meditation to get the toughness? or does the peril decaying naturally also give toughness?

[near wyvern]

The stability difference should be a lot

[near wyvern]

Any peril that goes away by any means is converted into toughness at half rate. That is, assuming you are not at max toughness.

[gilded cloud]

Yeah... I thought so. Didn't know if the blessings or perks were any good on the old one though

[crude talon]

If you’re at max toughness you have a 5% chance of blowing up like a blowfish and floating for 10 seconds through the air tho

[compact cargo]

buff psyker

[near wyvern]

Psyker is still strong. The moment people slap on a stamina curio and learn how to dodge they will get over the kinetic deflection training wheels.

[crude talon]

If they buffed psyker I’d play something else.

This is 40k, we are supposed to suffer

Not get handed everything

[near wyvern]

All staves are usable now so there is at least that

[compact cargo]

So ur happy one of hte few things psyker excelled at, risky revives, is gone, now psyker only has ascendant blaze builds to clear riflemen left as their strong and 6 people demand cc*

[near wyvern]

I mean it was busted af

[summer prairie]

I agree with the nerf, but they should have waited until they have some other balance changes ready to go along with it

[compact cargo]

Yet we got nothing fixing psyker, we had to bring exploits to make bb strong (power), now patched, we had to bring deflector to make psyker strong, now patched.

[crude talon]

Yea, it wasn’t a risky revive

It was just a free revive

[jade geode]

Trauma staff is still butts imo.
Needs the damage distributed more evenly; I'd gladly trade epicenter damage for more outer damage. Just smooth the curve.
Instead of 350dmg down to 20, make it like... 200 dog down to 100 at the edges.

[compact cargo]

Traumer suffers from been grenadier guantlet special on a stave, it kills drop down points real hard...but that's it

[near wyvern]

People are still sleeping on knife. Push attack spam... infinite sprint sliding with many and long dodges. Just don't stand in the middle of the corridor like an idiot.

[true shadow]

on malice maybe :)

[compact cargo]

Knife on psyker, we got access to dueling sword

[summer prairie]

push spam is more comfy now that your block doesn't randomly get broken

[crude talon]

No, on every difficulty

[true shadow]

nah we're not playing the same game apparently

[jade geode]

I can still rez in the middle of a horde w kinetic deflection

On Heresy

[compact cargo]

u were able to tank 3 gunners and 24 riflemen for about 15 seconds at 20m.

[true shadow]

the real issue isn't hordes, it's the fact that they removed ranged protection during revives.

[compact cargo]

It's also not removed

It just now applies the regular peril cooldown

So ur peril doesn't tick down

[steel vapor]

Could it be possible trauma staffs are intended more as a singletarget thing? (Genuine question)

[near wyvern]

@jade geode Then it would simply be a funny purgatus. Now it is worse against horde than purgatus but it can deal with Bulwarks and Crushers.

[true shadow]

no, deflector blessing doesn't work on revives anymore. combined with the kinetic deflection nerf it's kind of ass.

since you can't horde revive as well and you can't ranged revive period

[jade geode]

I'm pretty sure I was still blocking ranged last night. Weird.

[true shadow]

it efectively removes psyker's ability to revive anyone without first killing the shit out of everythin.

[compact cargo]

I'm pretty sure it works for me.

[near wyvern]

Duelling sword is good as well. I use it with void. With Trauma and Purge I use knife since I don't need the cleave.

[true shadow]

this was stated to be an intentional change

by aqshy

https://gyazo.com/c4654f2c17715d8826efdb43f6b7505d

it absolutely does not work still. https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/deflector-blessing-does-not-block-bullets-while-reviving-after-1-0-22-anymore/73978

so it's an intentional change. and a nerf.

[jade geode]

But then it's just a worse surge staff, imo. That's my issue with it. Pretty much every other staff does what it does, but better.

[compact cargo]

It's acknowledged as a bug on the post, unlike the report of short sleeves not been marked by F.

[steel vapor]

Tbh being able to be immortal simply due to a blessing seems kind of poor gameplay imho

[true shadow]

and aqshy comes and later says that it's not a bug.

[near wyvern]

No it's not. It can hit more than 6 enemies with the epicenter, instagibs trash in the middle and staggers them really far away while knocking down all elites exactly where you want it.

[summer prairie]

acknowledging just means some community manager sanity checked the information, not that someone who knows how it is supposed to work saw it

[jade geode]

Well shit

[compact cargo]

Better step than the bug about scab shooters as a non-bug

Still mad about that one

[true shadow]

so yeah. it got answered because it was asked about specifically

and the answer is that it was an intentional change

meaning psyker got a double nerf for the same general thing

[compact cargo]

Oh well no more resing outside of horde res

[jade geode]

That blows :/

[true shadow]

completely unprompted.

you now have risky horde res and no ranged res whatsoever.

[compact cargo]

With 3 warp charges and peril res you can take about 6-7 hits from horde+stam, it's safer than anyone else outside of ogryn

[crude talon]

Just tell your teammates to not go down, easy

[summer prairie]

FS is just not worth using, switch to something else

[true shadow]

as long as no ranged are involved at all

[compact cargo]

Caxe is better

[compact cargo]

Small psykers can't be targeted while resing in poxwalker hordes

[true shadow]

i don't understand the urge they have to destroy every unique psyker weapon

[true shadow]

yes they can. depends on the map though

and where the fucker went down

[compact cargo]

I rarely am

I'm literally smaller than pox walkers

[true shadow]

i get hit often in hordes by ranged and i'm smollest psyker

[compact cargo]

Did u make ur char during the beta?

Or after?

[true shadow]

wouldn't make a difference actually, they redid height stuff recently to patch some issues and exploits

but after because i wanted a dif voice

[compact cargo]

odd, f should stagger agro ranged yet they rarely shoot at me

[true shadow]

sometimes i feel like i'm being targeted by all the ranged despite the much juicier targets like AN OGRYN WITH HEAVY STUBBER nearby

[compact cargo]

Didn't veteran equiping camo break targeting?

I'm sure someone reported that a bit ago

may be that

[rocky cedar]

So does anyone think the KD nerf changes a heap? Outside tanking DH which is not really something you should aim to be doing in the first place?

[compact cargo]

U can still tank DH with knife or dueling sword

[rocky cedar]

Still seems to make reviving way better with duelling sword and that was the main reason I ever took it

[compact cargo]

U do require L shaped cover tho to reset ur dodges

so in that department it's a bit harder but not that bad

but u can no longer block hordes for as long as u could

[rocky cedar]

The deflector nerf seems way more significant than KD to me

[cyan notch]

yes

[rocky cedar]

Not that I've used FS much at all TBH

[cyan notch]

youre not afking in a corner holding block

nobody does that in a real game

passive quell is still ultra fast

[true shadow]

pretty much only on fs, otherwise not really

[compact cargo]

this video is pain

[cyan notch]

all you need is 3s of not getting hit

[rocky cedar]

I've already seen people complaining on forums that KD nerf somehow kills survivability with non force weapons

And I'm like

But how?

[true shadow]

i am literally only mad because it fucks up force sword
and then i learned the deflector ""bug"" was an intentional and undocumented change

[compact cargo]

With current toughness regen, we are more surviveable if anything

[cyan notch]

u dont get block broken by 0 stam now and you can spam push attacks safely

[compact cargo]

caxe time

[cyan notch]

if anything non force melees got better outside of afk tanking

[true shadow]

oh boy time to use a weapon that's not unique to my class or even really special because it's inherently better than my other options!

[clear heath]

it's a pain that it interrupts your passive quell since i mostly just block to buy time for quietude quelling, but whatever, still playable
shame what happened to deflector tho

[rocky cedar]

How sorry?

[steel vapor]

Laughs in Caxe V

[cyan notch]

u dont get block broken by 0 stam now and you can spam push attacks safely

[rocky cedar]

I don't see how they got any worse, but not sure how they got better either

[true shadow]

facts

[compact cargo]

What do you mean you don't enjoy caxe and mg12 psyker, devs will nerf staves next patch

[rocky cedar]

Oh true

Yeah I guess that kind of is just better in most circumstances

[clear heath]

yeah it used to just disable your block at 0 stamina even when you could still use peril to block

now that's fixed

[cyan notch]

for resses in melee you just gotta make sure you arent at super high peril and you can still get it off

[compact cargo]

Or you press f and res, cc, vent, it has everything

[rocky cedar]

Yeah revives still seem pretty easy to get against melee pressure

[cyan notch]

its under ranged fire res thats just nuked

only ogryn can do it now

[feral topaz]

I started leveling psyker about a week and a half ago, and I found it really depressing to be told that my best melee option isnt even a psyker specific weapon

[cyan notch]

duelling swords are pretty decent

[wet belfry]

Wait what would you call the best melee weapon?

[feral topaz]

I was told to get a mkV axe with brutal momentum, by pretty much every person I asked in the chat here a few days ago

when I asked about the duelling swords, I was more or less told "its aight, sorta, sometimes, 'ish"

[clear heath]

deflector is still nice for repositioning against gunners, but man force sword is starting to look a lot less appealing

[feral topaz]

as for Force Sword, I was told not to bother unless I get deflector

[wet belfry]

Dueling sword requires a ton of effort to make it the best it can be

It has a ton of non explained movement techs applied to it.

[true shadow]

you just described the psyker class

[cyan notch]

tac axes are not bad too

[feral topaz]

yeah well that seems to be the thing, what is defined as best is what allows one to achieve maximum output at minimal effort

[cyan notch]

their push attacks are fast and have heavy attack damage profile

[feral topaz]

and in that sense, duelling swords dont seem to deliver that

[clear heath]

i play tac axe on my zealot
they are pretty fun

[compact cargo]

I prefer to just slide with dueling sword

[feral topaz]

but so far, I am not very lucky so I just stick with a MKIV duelling sword

[true shadow]

i will continue to use my force sword and purg staff build

no matter how bad they nerf it

[cyan notch]

knife is cool too but kinda sucks vs hordes

[clear heath]

at this point people are just using force sword mostly cause it's cool

[wet belfry]

Force sword i think just needs a buff

[true shadow]

a nerf? got it boss

[compact cargo]

Psyker is closer to, tons of effort to be close to what other classes can do tho xd

[true shadow]

uhhhhhh
Deflector now increases block cost by 800%!

[true shadow]

yeah that's the best it can be

[wet belfry]

Beginning with that stupid vfx during blocking which makes sure you cant see

[true shadow]

"close" to the other classes

[feral topaz]

deflector now deflects the bullets into your head and not your torso

[clear heath]

fatshark should make it flicker the screen completely white to make it feel more impactful

[compact cargo]

We outdo everyone at ascendant blaze riflemen, but don't tell fatshark that, plz I want to be able to still kill 24 riflemen in 10 seconds

[true shadow]

kinetic deflection causes bullets to ricochet into your teammates killing them instantly

this gives you 200% peril immediately

double explosion

[feral topaz]

...I can finally get revenge on some knife zealots/psykers.
This is an excellent proposition sibling

[compact cargo]

Oh, our purple aura and suppresion has...a very nausiating effect when combined, thanks fatshark for yet another blinding vfx
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1037989388858175568/1054821846970798232/96434FBFB67F44058E388FFA41CEE6168E1CEE18.png

[frank hazel]

I love force sword though I'm willing to give duelling sword a go

[true shadow]

i simply do not like the dueling sword

aesthetically or moveset

[feral topaz]

wellp

[true shadow]

i just want a force sword that isn't complete and utter fucking garbage.

[clear heath]

oh yeah, the recent patch made my screen do this every once in a while when playing psyker

[frank hazel]

I use staves now almost exclusively (but I also love revolver don't tell anyone)

[feral topaz]

whenever I manage to get some top baseline force sword and duelling sword, Ill let you know what I like more

[compact cargo]

I love it too

[feral topaz]

but I gotta work with what I got

[true shadow]

im going to sleep now

i have been awake a very long time

[compact cargo]

Funny thing is, if you add suppresion to that, it flickers too

[true shadow]

almost 48 hours actually

[frank hazel]

Fair! I'm in the same position

[true shadow]

insomnia fucking sucks my fellow crackfiends i mean psykers

[compact cargo]

[clear heath]

it's pretty cool how fatshark tries to blind me every once in a while
really feels like i'm becoming one with the warp

[frank hazel]

They're fixing the suppression thing as I read from ogryn chat

[feral topaz]

yeah, and recently I spent all my mats on upgrading some staves so, its gonna be a hot minute.

[wet belfry]

An ideal force sword i belive is high finesse, high damage. Perks being block efficeny, weak spot damage. Blessings slaughterer, deflector.

[true shadow]

maybe prior to patch 1.0.22

:)

[frank hazel]

Ugggh yeah

[ornate hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/starwars-iknow-movies-gif-5954748

[feral topaz]

I've been there bro, talk to me sometime, I've tried many a things to solve mine, with varying success

[true shadow]

adhd is a hell of a brain

[feral topaz]

😢

[true shadow]

but i must try and sleep or i will literally fucking die today because i have more hospital hellwork

[feral topaz]

Sleep well dude

[true shadow]

👌

[rocky cedar]

Anyone else here really like chainsword on Psyker?

Feels like a very solid jack of all trades weapon to me

[cyan notch]

its not bad but doesnt have a great push attack spam

and the heavies are a little slow to swing

[rocky cedar]

Spamming heavies with a cleave blessing and rampage feels like very solid, safe horde clear to me

Single target isn't much worse than FS but you get the great passive venting

I'm just surprised I never see anyone bring it up as an option

[cyan notch]

yea its sorta overlooked

[frank hazel]

I like chainsword in general so it's a nice weapon I imagine with decent blessings

[rocky cedar]

It's what I bring if I don't feel I need DS mobility and want to clear faster

And still want single target option

Actually a good chaxe may genuinely not be a bad pair for Purgatus now

[cyan notch]

we dont get chain axes

[rocky cedar]

Oh ok

Hadn't seen one

But wasn't sure if that was just RNG

[frank hazel]

We're not allowed

[rocky cedar]

Kind of a shame

Thrust chaxe goes off now

Doesn't Vet get it?

Weapon restrictions be weird

[frank hazel]

I've never had one to try it on my vet

[rocky cedar]

It's not good on Vet anyway

Needs good stamina regen

Good on Zealot

Would ironically be solid on Psyker too due to low stam regen delay

[frank hazel]

Maybe I'll get lucky and get one on my zealot

[rocky cedar]

Shame

[rocky cedar]

Yeah it's poggers

[frank hazel]

I haven't played since the patch but that made me happy

[ornate hamlet]

(it's about time they fixed that shit btw)

[rocky cedar]

Yeah it's extremely noticeable

How many things you can BB through you couldn't before

[steel vapor]

Thats a gamechanger

[rocky cedar]

Snipers are even more your bitch than before

[frank hazel]

The targeting is better too apparently

It's so annoying trying to get an elite in a sea of normal dudes

[compact cargo]

Includes some thin walls if u get into them

[crude talon]

You guys think they got rid of our free revives out of spite for the community?

[idle bay]

No they did it just out of simple incompetence 🙂

I mean you can easily rename a game IncompetenceTide

[ornate hamlet]

yet enemies can melee and shoot through walls on various maps in various places still

[idle bay]

They are not evil or malicious - they are just bad at what they do

[compact cargo]

They just don't like mages, 2/3 sienna careers in vt2 required heavy rebalancing and sienna is the last one to get her 4th career

[crude talon]

I don’t even deal with that big tower area on the sand levels. I speed run them because of the shooting through the floor

[boreal cave]

Seriously 😒 Fail shark, “combat team” my ass

If the combat team had the slightest idea we wouldn’t have retarded traits like 2 soul burn when u kill and elite with bb…… I think the first port of call is not listening to the combat team or as a bare minimum confirming there idea isn’t stupid with the community first lol

[rocky cedar]

Revives are still way easier on Psyker than Zealot or Vet

Just saying

Well Zealot can nade but those ain't infinite

[thorn sage]

I cant seem to find where they Nerfed the Cloud on my FlameStaff. its so fucking small now, what happened? did they make it thinner but goes Further? i cant seem to find the patch notes for it

[rocky cedar]

It was unchanged to me knowledge

You've heard of the phantom pain, now get ready for phantom nerfs

[crude talon]

I thought they changed something about how the flames hit enemies but I can’t remember

[rocky cedar]

@cyan notch

Was there some Purgatus changes I'm not aware of?

[ornate hamlet]

they noted that some purg staves charge attack does nothing if you animation cancel it too early, causing the flames you shot to just pass through enemies and do nothing

i think they have more work to do with that, on the uncharged attack too

[cyan notch]

seems unchanged to me

[ornate hamlet]

yeah it feels unchanged i think it was only certain staff type or something

[near wyvern]

Previously you could animation cancel the start of the flame so that visuals seem to go out but no damage. They patched it so that the damage now always matches the visuals, so if it seems to go out it will hit.

[rocky cedar]

There you go @thorn sage

No shadow nerfs

Not sure what you're seeing

[near wyvern]

Oh there was a shadow nerf but not on Purgatus

[thorn sage]

The Staff used to act like The Flame Staff from V2, Big Cloud, but now it looks like a im using the Jet option on a Hose attachment

[rocky cedar]

Yeah buffs if anything

[rocky cedar]

Though more like fixes

[ornate hamlet]

yes, just bug fixes

[thorn sage]

Im just talking about a VFX change. hmmm Shadow changes on that i guess

[ornate hamlet]

not balance changes, and it doesn't even seem different to me

[near wyvern]

Blazing Spirit with FS used to apply double the stacks because crits apply double but they removed it from the blessing and did not mention that in the notes. Purgatus still applies double stacks on crits.

[rocky cedar]

BS wasn't even good to begin with

It's a big sad

[near wyvern]

Indeed, which makes it even funnier to nerf it.

[rocky cedar]

Let's not get back into that one

[thorn sage]

real question is, does it still change the Delay

[rocky cedar]

I still want a force claymore damn it

[rocky cedar]

Yes

[thorn sage]

kinda pog

[rocky cedar]

0.8x for max perk

[rocky cedar]

Stacked together you hit about 0.5 X delay

[frigid marten]

Yeah the only “nerf” is “you can’t tank the daemonhost” not really useful thing to do.

[rocky cedar]

The only thing about coherency regen that is working properly is the delay bonus

[ornate hamlet]

toughness regen speed being fixed is actually very noticeable in game, if you're in coherency

toughness > max health on missions with grims imo

[rocky cedar]

It's not fixed it was broken in the opposite direction

3.6x regen speed isn't "fixed" lol

And definitely not working as intended

[ornate hamlet]

toughness vanishes in a poof of smoke when you're hit anyway, it's fine the way it is now

[frigid marten]

Yes and apparently can be a gamebreaking bug: someone downed by a hound that don’t die and stucked in an unreachable place

[rocky cedar]

https://streamable.com/ec1vwv

No it's not

[cyan notch]

its pretty busted lmao

[rocky cedar]

It's definitely not fine

What crack are you smoking

I want some

It must be good stuff

[ornate hamlet]

looks fine to me

[thorn sage]

Looks good to me

[ornate hamlet]

we should all thank fatshark for fixing it

[fossil apex]

Played after a patch yesterday encountered some annoying bugs still:

• joined a game in like 5th minute and fell through the map. Then was put so far away that my team has actually never reached me in time. Oddly enough another person who joined at the same time as I was put closer. I guess I had more HP and bled out later, but still annoying as fuck
• my psyker build is a high peril build, so once I reach 100 percent peril, I usually swap to my sword. A lot of times I'm still stuck on my staff's first attack. It's really bad because I expect weapons to change instantaneously and an extra unexpected bold of energy can literally explode me if special isn't available. So that hasn't been fixed either. Actually same with changing from staff to brain burst by pressing g. Just keeps doing the left mouse button attack.

[uneven drift]

20+20+20 = 360 by FatShark. Quality stamp.

[rocky cedar]

You're welcome to that whack view if you like but it's 100% not sticking around, so do yourself a favour and don't get used to it

[ornate hamlet]

are you using essence harvest, warp absorption, or quietitude?

[jovial quail]

Did they add new visual effects? I feel like suppression effect got dialed up to 1000 along with warp, mine are blinking black and blue constantly now making me want to frow up lol

[cyan notch]

i think thats input lag stuff which makes your inputs go stupidwhen theres a lot of shit going on on screen especially in damnation or hi intensity

[rocky cedar]

That's not me, but they were using warp absorption and their comment was that coherency was at least 90%+ of that clip

[ornate hamlet]

it wasn't lol..

[cyan notch]

its essence harvest and 60% coherency

[rocky cedar]

Was that your clip blooddrunk?

Can't remember who posted it