psyker-class

[cyan notch]

also bug

[austere estuary]

"bug therefore bad" is arbitrary

[rocky cedar]

Was that with slaughterer swapping out something?

[austere estuary]

no

[slow karma]

That's not a justification for unintended bullshit

[austere estuary]

that was with 20% power from executor, slaughterer gets much higher

[lethal plover]

executor on which weapon?

[austere estuary]

a justification is "is it fun, does it seem overpowered, no"

executor on FS

[cyan notch]

does it seem overpowered is subjective

[lethal plover]

yeah, that's what I suspected. This bug was there in elden ring as well. I think it still is for some pairs of weapons

[cyan notch]

nobody said "bug therefore bad" you randomly came up with it

[rose lily]

what're the best stats for all 3 psyker curios if with purg staff, then with surge staff?

[lethal plover]

somehow devs can't get "multiple weapons" thing right

[austere estuary]

what was your implication if not that

[cyan notch]

my implication for what

[austere estuary]

repeatedly pointing out x or y was a bug

I assumed you had some point to it

[cyan notch]

that its unsurprising it got fixed

[rocky cedar]

Weapon blessings working after swap had some applications I think were ok and I'll miss

But I very much understand why they just nuked all of it

[austere estuary]

Blessings working from melee to ranged made coming up with combinations pretty interesting

and vice versa

[cyan notch]

it was pretty jank and only some of it worked

better and more consistent this way

[rocky cedar]

I already really liked rending trauma but man it feels so nice now gotta say

[rocky cedar]

Yeah I agree overall

[austere estuary]

rending on trauma doesn't really do anything though

it's super niche

doesn't affect your secondary

[rocky cedar]

It applies brittleness

[lethal plover]

fun is in the eyes of the beholder I guess

[austere estuary]

did they change it?

[rocky cedar]

So it benefits your melee and your whole team

[lethal plover]

some people thought death aura in elden ring was fun

[rocky cedar]

No just the description is wrong

[austere estuary]

how can we tell?

[rocky cedar]

It's always worked this way just basically nobody knew

[austere estuary]

I wondered about it for a while and it's very hard to test

since no multiplayer psyk

[rocky cedar]

Full charge in meat grinder then change to melee

[austere estuary]

yes that's for us though

[near wyvern]

The problem with blessings is that you have things like shred, brutal momentum and slaughterer which actually feel impactful during the gameplay and then you have blessings like precognition and unstable power which you don't even notice it's there .

[austere estuary]

now we're talking

this is great

[rocky cedar]

Yeah it's actually quite good

[austere estuary]

I suspected it was this way but was convinced here it didn't work like that

[rocky cedar]

You can soften up Ragers and crushers a lot

[austere estuary]

thank goodness

[lethal plover]

how much damage increase are we thinking of

[austere estuary]

big

at 6-8 stacks

6 stacks takes a 19 damage shot to over 60 iirc

for example

[lethal plover]

[rocky cedar]

Yeah my duelling sword was doing like 30% more damage to a crusher after two full casts on it

[austere estuary]

so on a pack of crushers

knocking them on their asses

[rocky cedar]

And I don't have a high tier rending

[austere estuary]

and making them squishy

v nice

[near wyvern]

Rending/brittleness on crushers make a huge difference

[lethal plover]

trauma does 500 to crushers. with rending, how much?

[austere estuary]

same

it already ignores their armor

[lethal plover]

okay, no cheating there I guess

[rocky cedar]

Yeah brittleness doesn't help trauma itself really at all

[austere estuary]

has anyone tested if blazing soul still applies double its stated stacks?

[rocky cedar]

It can help your melee and your team a heap though

[austere estuary]

due to crit

[near wyvern]

I just want to find a Warp Nexus Blazing Spirit trauma now to see if it's any good with AB for filling up Warp Battery

[austere estuary]

I can't imagine it would be tbh

[rocky cedar]

My Crucian blazing soul meme build is dead now 😢

[austere estuary]

max crit chance 30%

[rocky cedar]

It was a fair sacrifice

[austere estuary]

cast times 1.3s minimum

[near wyvern]

It's not. It just deals less DPS

[rocky cedar]

To destroy Crucian abuse

But I'm still sad about it

[rocky cedar]

Having 40% bonus crit chance made a huge difference what?

[cyan notch]

what is this text and is it new

[austere estuary]

not new

[rocky cedar]

Also it was basically melee only Psyker, it already wasn't a good build

[near wyvern]

Just go and try push attack spam with knife. It still deals a lot of DPS on a psyker because how our stamina regen works. Push attack on knife deals exactly same damage as a heavy but you can strike twice as fast while staggering everything in your path. Kinetic Deflection for another block bar and you are good to go, even after the nerfs.

[austere estuary]

even more now

because of the fix for stamina being 0 still leading to being broken on peril block

[rocky cedar]

Ok that's cool but I was talking about BS FS?

[austere estuary]

if only transfer peril wasn't worthless 🥲

[near wyvern]

Explosion damage has separate multipliers versus enemies. Trauma secondary is explosion. The most notable is pox burster which takes 30x damage from explosions. So if they even touch Trauma they are going to be set off.

[lethal plover]

transfer peril and quietitude ?

[austere estuary]

on a trauma staff

[bold flint]

[austere estuary]

it only works on primary fire

[near wyvern]

Blazing Spirit FS?

[austere estuary]

cause secondary cannot do weakspot hit

[rocky cedar]

Swap it out for warp flurry once we can finally do that

[austere estuary]

[rocky cedar]

Yes sorry might have gotten names mixed up before

[austere estuary]

warp nexus I think or focused would be the only things I'd prob go for on trauma

[near wyvern]

Don't worry that got stealth nerfed to ground. Blazing Spirit on FS doesn't apply double stacks anymore.

[austere estuary]

rip

[rocky cedar]

Warp flurry was also fixed on trauma so I think it could be a good choice now

[stark junco]

So does the peril block change affect mk v axe cheese too?

[rocky cedar]

God damn

[austere estuary]

on top of the crit nerf as well, yeesh

they really don't want us to lean into blessings outside of voidstrike huh

[rocky cedar]

Crit nerf?

[near wyvern]

Even with the double stacks BS FS was mediocre at best, but you know. It wasn't shit enough so it had to be nerfed.

[austere estuary]

crucian/shred also

[rocky cedar]

It wasn't even that good with Crucian before

[austere estuary]

that's kind of how it read to me

[rocky cedar]

Ah right that's what you meant

[austere estuary]

like damn, it wasn't even strong with that and required mega specific rolls

[lethal plover]

just wait for crafting now

[austere estuary]

but it was a fun gimmick potentially

[near wyvern]

Not really because you spam push attack so you rarely get hit. You might want to bring a gun instead of a staff now to avoid using BB and your peril for something else than blocking tho.

[near wyvern]

Indeed

[stark junco]

I've been running a passive stacks build so don't BB very often. It's so boring being forced to maintain BB stacks.

[austere estuary]

just thought I'd check incase, but no this blessing on trauma still also only affects primary

[true shadow]

yep

it's extremely cursed

[austere estuary]

checking for stealth buffs is the most refined copium I have stock of

[lethal plover]

don't you want to be the anti-gunner as a psyker?

[true shadow]

remember when psyker ult cleared all peril

[stark junco]

They've only stopped peril passive when using deflector though right? So seems like mk v would be unaffected?

[austere estuary]

ho ho time to see if this is as bad as I imagine

[true shadow]

the feat.

not thr blessing

[lethal plover]

deflector is not the same as kinetic deflection

[true shadow]

the feat

[lethal plover]

I know a few in the forums confused those too

then there is also kinetic shield

naming is whack

[stark junco]

Oh I see that makes more sense. So now, everytime you get hit, it resets your passive quell, got it

[near wyvern]

Yes, every time you get hit there is a 3 second delay for the auto quell to kick in

No more saving team from Daemonhost

[true shadow]

i miss Ult clearing all peril

and fs peril buildup

[austere estuary]

btw, seems that while they made warp flurry work on trauma, at first glance it looks like it still can't get more than a stack maybe

[true shadow]

so i didn't have to spam special for peril

pre nerf psyker was unironically fun

cbt psyker was even more fun tbh

i miss that uj too

ui

[regal musk]

INteretsing gift from the Emp lol

[true shadow]

lol Christ

[austere estuary]

did they fix run n gun on any of the other staffs? I know it works for secondary on trauma but apparently not others

[true shadow]

not afaik

[austere estuary]

if they just made run n gun on staffs 'you move faster while channelling', and not tied to sprint, that'd be actually maybe nice to haev

[vale creek]

i have run n gun on my fire staff too

does it make difference?

[austere estuary]

on trauma it lets you move forward faster by sprinting while charging up but don't know about purg

[fierce sinew]

so I had zero toughness regen curios, but rerolled the two I'm wearing that were already free to roll

played a few with +30%

it's broken

[austere estuary]

huh, just had a crit on bulwark with a surge staff for double its normal amount

[fierce sinew]

clown shoes trivialize the game powerful

[austere estuary]

over 1000

[fierce sinew]

stand in front of shooters purging not caring

[austere estuary]

I know it has some variance but

can surge do some kind of jank double crit or something

cannot replicate it at all now

only the usual 560 odd crits

[feral topaz]

whats that?

[true shadow]

original fs push

[feral topaz]

Oh

Wellp

I never got to experience pre-nerf psyker so, I keep hearing legends about a time when it didnt feel neutered.

[rose lily]

what're the best stats for all 3 psyker curios if with purg staff, then with surge staff?

[still hearth]

It wasn't kinetic flaying proc?

[austere estuary]

not using it

and it was one yellow number

[still hearth]

[true shadow]

hrghf

[cyan notch]

3s

[fierce sinew]

Surge can (or could, not sure if it changed) trigger again for no reason, but I never saw it do more damage in one go for no reason

[austere estuary]

if it was double activation that would make sense - it's observable on guns with fast fire rates that they can sometimes combine a number

so I guess that's what happened

double shot and combined

[manic needle]

Sometimes numbers can line up behind one another in the meatgrinder in such a way that they appear as one larger number, too

Ive had it look like my Force Sword special did 10k damage to a crusher which obviously it didnt

[austere estuary]

combined/tallied I observed with one of the faster firing guns

when I was testing salvo stuff

though wasn't aware till now that surge could sometimes doubleshoot

[fierce sinew]

it's not something I was easily able to replicate, I just noticed it happening occasionally when I was meatgrinder testing other things

definitely happened multiple times, was a couple patches ago

not sure what (if anything) of relevance has changed since

was also able to get it to do this a few times, actually recorded it once

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMfAAQseWhs

where it just keeps hitting over and over

[restive solar]

Im new to being a psyker any tips?

[austere estuary]

if only this had rolled a good damage stat...

[vale creek]

burn the horde

i mean basically thats how i play

[restive solar]

Good to know

[manic needle]

Don't stack wound Curios so that you can use your Perils of the Warp explosion offensively on Damnation like somebody suggested here once

[fierce sinew]

121112 purg with toughness regen curios is now busted

enjoy your braindead easy clears

[austere estuary]

I remember that

[wet belfry]

Does toughness regen curios actually affect toughness talents?

[fierce sinew]

yes

[restive solar]

See id love to know what the fuck all that is

[fierce sinew]

it's broken

[wet belfry]

Its basically the leveling tree

[restive solar]

ah i see

I dont have any friends to play with so i just joined this server

lmao

good to know in the future

[vale creek]

is there a toughness regen stat in curious?

[manic needle]

The numbers correspond to a feat in any given row from top to bottom

[fierce sinew]

yes

[vale creek]

never seen one

[manic needle]

So 1 is the top talent in a row, 2 is the middle, etc

[vale creek]

is it main stat or rollable?

[fierce sinew]

15% tier 3, 20% tier 4

perk, rollable

[vale creek]

is it new?

[fierce sinew]

no

[true shadow]

no

[vale creek]

oh

wierd

[manic needle]

It's one of the perks that Curios can get. Each curio can hold up to 3 perks when fully upgraded

[fierce sinew]

just apparently rare, I didn't have any either, had to roll for them

[vale creek]

how long u have to left click?

[fierce sinew]

yes

[vale creek]

ehhh

[restive solar]

wack

[vale creek]

not sure im up for that

[restive solar]

Well im gunna go kill some heritics with a pistol, happy hunting yall

[vale creek]

but ill might try

[fierce sinew]

also spent 2k plasteel trying to consecrate into it at purple before I gave up

definitely more cost effective to reroll

[vale creek]

since all my curios are on 0 resource reroll atate

[fierce sinew]

that's what I did, just swapped a pair of +4% healths

[lethal plover]

ouch

[austere estuary]

what does this get to at higher tiers? feels like it could be good on mk12

[vale creek]

ill might switch the cortuption resistance to that

[true shadow]

yes it's very good on mk12

[vale creek]

btw guys when using fire how u guys deal with long range attacers?

[fierce sinew]

shout

[vale creek]

if ur E is on cd?

[true shadow]

hide

[austere estuary]

brain burst usually

[true shadow]

and bb

in that order

[vale creek]

okay

[fierce sinew]

run up on them or bb from cover, whichever is safer

[vale creek]

i do the same

[true shadow]

^

sometimes both at the same time

[vale creek]

im just using the bb boost on E

[true shadow]

if i can close the distance i will run in and use fire to stagger and then bb from cover

[vale creek]

and usually flanking

but flanking can be dangerous

[fierce sinew]

using anything other than AB with purg seems wild to me, but I know some people really enjoy bb

[vale creek]

when u trigger the boss

[austere estuary]

agreed

[vale creek]

what is AB?

[austere estuary]

AB so insanely good on purg

[fierce sinew]

the middle option of the level 30 feats

Ascendant Blaze

[vale creek]

well

i WOULD use that in an optimal party

but im playing pubs

and the fast bb can b a life saver

[fierce sinew]

killing every shooter in a 30 meter cone in front of you through cover can be too

[vale creek]

when 5 gunners start shooting at me from 100m

[austere estuary]

I love turbo brain bursts but I cannot pass up the crazy amount of free warp charge and toughness regen that also brings

in addition to fuelling itself

[fierce sinew]

AB just does too much not to use

[austere estuary]

can even do well with elite CD aura

[fierce sinew]

relative to the alternatives it's just overtuned

[austere estuary]

since it gens enough charges anyway

[fierce sinew]

(with purg)

[austere estuary]

without purg I p much always take turbo bbs

[regal musk]

AB is wherre it sh ould be IMO. Its the other 2 that are badly undertuned and need fixing lol

[austere estuary]

agreed

well

half

turbo brainbursts are still really good

[vale creek]

believe me i tried that, still was much better utility for using turbo bb

[fierce sinew]

like the 10% chance thing could be its own feat and that would be better than most of our feats

[austere estuary]

the cooldown one is just so painfully meh

[regal musk]

Or just a passive effect ... Needing kills to trigger a charge is half the issue with WCs in general

[austere estuary]

burning all your charges like that as well

and if you do it frequently - the point of having it

then you are losing your charges so damn often

[pliant junco]

extremely potent but need 5-6 stacks of wp to kill shooters in t5

[austere estuary]

and since you're not using AB + purg... not generating them that fast either and not using turbo bbs to generate that way

[vale creek]

ur talking about the rando bb now?

[fierce sinew]

AB doesn't even feel like burning them since you often refund them so quickly

[austere estuary]

6 stacks takes moments to generate with purg a lot of the time

and yeah

[vale creek]

im using that too can save a lot of situations

[still hearth]

30-1 should full quell as well and it'd be something.
30-3 seems fine to me though

[austere estuary]

sometimes just the cast of AB itself can cause regeneration of stacks

[vale creek]

when u almost wipe then u kill a rager with 1 meele hit cx

[regal musk]

Thats why i feel like its tuned to where it should be. It feeds itself. The cooldown one does not, its just a straight negative when you use it lol

[pliant junco]

wdym by moment, take a while or instant ?

[austere estuary]

yeah cooldown one actively harms its own ability to work

[austere estuary]

it's fast

[vale creek]

with fire staff i get a lot procs

[fierce sinew]

in horde you often have 6 charges again before the guys you shouted down can even stand up

[regal musk]

The iron is that if you want Wrath cooldown, just take the turbo BB with Aura. You'll have fast Wratrhs without burning alkl your charges lol

[orchid shadow]

Booo, Kinetic Deflection with the Deflector during revives no longer makes you almost invulnerable.

[pliant junco]

oh... yeah,m.. if you have horde

[austere estuary]

I've had it be at 6 again before I even saw it disappear since I wasn't looking at it literally the moment I cast

[fierce sinew]

this is the real gameplay effect of the nerf

[austere estuary]

though it was always that way with ranged

but now that's bugged so

[pliant junco]

still very tanky with deflector

[true shadow]

deflector is bugged rn

no longer protects against ranged during revive

they Broke It (tm)

[orchid shadow]

Oh shoot, really? They broke it?

[true shadow]

yes.

[fierce sinew]

of course they did

[pliant junco]

rly ? i didnt noticed that

[austere estuary]

I'd be mad if I'd gotten my planned block eff stam deflector thing going

[true shadow]

https://gyazo.com/c52bcad0bc77b660dc2bdbc6a4651f34
this purgatus kinda funny

oh ok darktide

[fierce sinew]

I don't understand what I'm looking at

[true shadow]

the void

[manic needle]

Honestly, before I come back and start grinding out curios etc for the post-patch changes, Im going to give the game a week or however long it takes for followup patches to roll out

[fierce sinew]

I'm very interested to see if toughness regen stays like this

[manic needle]

Just in case any of these new changes get nerfed or some bugs get fixed that change the meta again

[still hearth]

Deflector was a bug to work during ress

[austere estuary]

oof the locked carapace, was the other one stam?

[still hearth]

Thanks Fatshark

[true shadow]

yes the other was stam

[austere estuary]

rip

[fierce sinew]

how do they takesies backsies something they put as a fix

[true shadow]

no, acknowledged they broke it

[austere estuary]

still, I'd be tempted to take flak off for crit now

[true shadow]

nah

[lethal plover]

may as well wait for next psyker job
Psyker is the stepchild atm

[true shadow]

crit doesnt matter for how i use it

[austere estuary]

stacks?

[true shadow]

stacks and opening stagger

because i have a slaughterer fs

[austere estuary]

ah right

[manic needle]

They could decide that toughness regen is overtuned and nerf it, for example

[true shadow]

i am a GOD of FIRE

[orchid shadow]

Is there a post on Deflector?

[still hearth]

That's something. Maybe you'll get it back Next Week

[vale creek]

i dont think psyker weak it actually rally good tale on hordes

[true shadow]

I hope... :(

[austere estuary]

[true shadow]

i don't want it to be next next week

[vale creek]

infite fireeeee

[austere estuary]

Fatshark just want to be like Valve

have their own timescale

[vale creek]

zealot still have longer range tho

xd

with flaemthrower

[still hearth]

But Zealot has to.. Gasp.. Reload and manage ammo

[fierce sinew]

zealot has longer range but worse uptime and needs ammo, seems fair

[vale creek]

also bb on shielded enemies just so useful if u dont have a bolter guy or ogryn

[vale creek]

yep

[austere estuary]

man poor laspistol, I nearly forgot

another casualty of shred fix

with its pisspoor normal damage but actually fine crits

like 4-6x its normal shot damage

[steel egret]

I think my laspistol build is still okay.

[vale creek]

i need to start to play on 5star difficulty but its scary :c

[fierce sinew]

it's not scary anymore

[steel egret]

Just use less BB and its fine.

[fierce sinew]

the suppression changes and the toughness regen changes together trivialize it now

[vale creek]

did they lowered the difficulty?

[steel egret]

No

[true shadow]

i want violence

[fierce sinew]

it depends what you mean by "difficulty"

[vale creek]

i mean im wiping a lot on on 4 star too

[fierce sinew]

I think it's much much less difficult now

but the healthpools and number of enemies and so on is the same

[true shadow]

i want VIOILENCE

VUIOLKCENCE

VIolence.

[steel egret]

If you dont use toughness regen on curios not much benefit from said change.

[fierce sinew]

the change is so massive you're trolling if you aren't using said curios

[true shadow]

i requirew more plasteel.

[still hearth]

Y'all trolling if you think this game takes optimized curios to not troll

[steel egret]

I used them on launch, still got the curios.

[fierce sinew]

once you have essence harvest online you can just causally walk toward the dreg shooters left clicking your purge

[steel egret]

Im more fan of quietitude.

[fierce sinew]

a play pattern that would quickly kill you yesterday

I was too, yesterday

we live in a different world now

[manic needle]

So it's confirmed that Toughness Regen% buffs Essence Harvet, then

[fierce sinew]

yes

[manic needle]

Nice

[wet belfry]

Where is the source?

[fierce sinew]

I had free reroll on 2 of my curios and tried it

[austere estuary]

I have 3 curios at 20%

I wouldn't say the impression is that it buffs essence harvest - but they do stack

[still hearth]

Yeah where's the proof

[austere estuary]

and stacking with that coherency regen speed is huge alone

[fierce sinew]

step in a bombers fire with essence harvest active and see how quickly you get your toughness back

[austere estuary]

doesn't really need to buff it

[fierce sinew]

especially in coherency

[austere estuary]

yeah it already goes fast though that's the thing - I don't think essence harvest is being buffed by it, just that the two stacking is very very fast

[still hearth]

You guys do realize that coherency is now absolutely broken with the curios now right

[austere estuary]

yeah Vanessa

now just need randoms to stay in coherency

[still hearth]

Like the essence harvest actually does barely anything

Compared to coherency speed

That's how nutty it is

These changes are wack

[fierce sinew]

it buffs both, to the point that you now gain it so fast it outraces most damage

[still hearth]

But EH works in melee

[austere estuary]

just coherency

I don't think it buffs both

I use essence harvest when on purg, I just think it adds on top

and the baseline is very very fast

[manic needle]

What we need is a side by side comparison tbh

Essence Harvest, Coherency, and then both

[fierce sinew]

didn't it buff coherency before the change?

[lethal plover]

give it a few weeks and we will see what they want

[still hearth]

Essence Harvest is 5% per second.
Toughness regen with curios is closer to 15% per second if not more

[austere estuary]

no

[true shadow]

only delay

[wet belfry]

6% per second

[lethal plover]

fatshark is gonna zigzag with these changes

[wet belfry]

30/5

[still hearth]

[true shadow]

violence

[still hearth]

Yes, that

Coherency is 5/s but its probably not

Because of tick rate it seems to be 8.33 per second

[fierce sinew]

I really wish we had a way to hurt ourselves in the meat grinder

[still hearth]

And weapons also have inherent coherency regen modifiers

And the default value for most is 1.5x

[austere estuary]

you can see I regenned like 26 within a second there

[still hearth]

So you're closer to 12/s

[austere estuary]

just coherency

I mean

[still hearth]

Yeah just coherency base is 12/s

With most weapons

[austere estuary]

is that at 1, 2, 3 or 4 stacks?

[still hearth]

4 stacks

This is assumptions from various findings though

Not conclusive proof

But it matched with what we saw on Ogryn pretty well

[fierce sinew]

it was faster than that for me earlier

or looked it

[still hearth]

Also all toughness regen is definitely multiplicative

Ogryn get some insane speed stacking their feat and curios

Like full toughness in less than 1s

[manic needle]

Not a chance that doesnt get nerfed imo

[fierce sinew]

I want to say I was getting it in around 3 seconds on my pair of +15% curios

[still hearth]

Just remember coherency goes away in melee

[still hearth]

I had +20 +20 + 15 and it was about 3s to full on Zealot

From like 12s without

Or more idk

It's definitely way faster

[steel egret]

Glad my fixation on said perk turned out to be busted now.

[fierce sinew]

what's the rate on zealot's normally?

[still hearth]

Everyone has the same toughness /s

Base

[fierce sinew]

I mean the feat

essence harvest is 6/sec

[wet belfry]

30% toughness over 5s

[steel egret]

Its 5 isnt it? The stay close to 3 enemy one

If thats what you are referring to

[still hearth]

The Zealot feat is 5% per second but it doesn't work on toughness regen speed (it's also where the tick rate thing comes from since it actually gives 8.33% apparently)

That feat gives so little compared to what toughness regen speed curios do now

But it works in melee

Regardless something is definitely weird with coherency regen

[cyan notch]

yea its pretty busted rn lmao

https://streamable.com/ec1vwv

look at this i would never in a million years would be able to pull this off without insane regen

[manic needle]

So, what is Essence harvest looking like when not in coherency but with 3 Toughness Regen curios right now?

[compact cargo]

wait do power increases affect bb?

[cyan notch]

2 teammates down with a million shooters with nowhere to go just keep regenning

[still hearth]

Nope

They turned that off

[compact cargo]

[still hearth]

Blessings only apply to their weapon now (except DoTs)

You used to be able to stack power to oneshot all but Ogryns and muties with BB

[compact cargo]

ye

Rip bb

[hardy coral]

After many tries i ended up getting both these achievements on the same map. ive been trying for like 2 days but people kept killing the elites/specs but then i realized this map spawns 4-5 elites at the entrance of the room that you protect the terminal thing.

[compact cargo]

now we regen tank atleast

[fierce sinew]

this is the kind of thing I mean by trivializing, essence harvest now lets you get away with shit that would 100% kill you last patch

I'm sure the other classes are doing similarly

[orchid cairn]

I haven't touched the game for multiple days now but there is no way this is intended.

[fierce sinew]

toughness regen just went from irrelevant to obligatory

[cyan notch]

it do pre comically silly

[still hearth]

I'm pretty sure that's 90% coherency regen

They lose the essence harvest stack and still get insane toughness regen

[manic needle]

I'd still like to see Harvest without coherency but with the Toughness Regen curios, so that we can confirm that it's stacking or dismiss this as a rumor once and for all

[orchid cairn]

This takes away all the difficulty from making good decisions of using cover on any difficulty level.

[cyan notch]

i had 60% regen

[manic needle]

Ping me if anyone's able to test it out

[still hearth]

That's just normal +60% toughness regen curio and 4 coherence numbers tbh

[compact cargo]

Time to grind curios again for toughness regen

thanks crafting

[cyan notch]

didnt record it but i remember noticing when i was alone with 60% regen that essence harvest wasnt doing anything crazy it seemed pretty much same as prepatch

[manic needle]

If thats true Ill probably stick with Quietude + Transfer Peril

[still hearth]

You can actually see it in the clip

[wet belfry]

Probably to abuse it while at the same time learning how to dodge fire more consistrntky

[orchid cairn]

Then they have to fix it because if you can do that on Damnation where is the challenge and fun anymore?

[still hearth]

You get essence harvest proc and take damage, it's a tiny tick of EH and then coherency kicks in and loads you full of toughness

[still hearth]

The challenge is still the same

Toughness coherency doesn't work in melee

So in shitshows you're still fucked

[orchid cairn]

No it isn't.

If you would have done that before this patch on Damnation you would have been smoked.

Like no question about it.

[compact cargo]

It's downtime when in cover that it really matters

[still hearth]

I mean aside from ranged threats that are doubled nerfed (as they should be)

[fierce sinew]

it manifestly is not, whether the talents are buffed or not the cumulative effect is clearly trivializing

[still hearth]

The game is basically the same

Ranged poke is now trivialized but melee is functionally the same

[fierce sinew]

I just played multiple t5 maps with my baby 15% curios and I promise it isn't

[compact cargo]

Aslong as you pick toughness regen, which is now mandatory and going to reflect how bad lockin is*

[manic needle]

Im still going to hold off for a bit on committing resources/grind time to getting toughness/toughness regen curios just in case this gets tweaked. It's an admittedly huge change so I think there's still the possibility of it getting changed in a near-future hotfix

[cyan notch]

when im flaming and get hit by a straggler from behind i dont even bother trying to kill it cause i regen so quick in coherency

[still hearth]

You don't. It locks you out of coherency unless it dies

Unless we're talking about ranged mobs

Then yes

[orchid cairn]

Ranged poke being trivialized = arguably the hardest thing in the game, ranged enemies, are now a laughing stock.

[fierce sinew]

on the one hand it would require a really rapid balance about face, but on the other I can't see it staying like it is

[compact cargo]

Except shotgunners

[still hearth]

They never were without a horde, just like every other danger in this game.

[cyan notch]

wdym locks me out of coherency it didnt

[still hearth]

Enemies in melee stops coherency, so either it died or you left melee range

Or it was a ranged mob

[cyan notch]

no it was a melee

i mean i slid away

but basically ignored it

[still hearth]

Yeah that does it. So much for ignoring it smh

Tbh this is mostly a big deal for Psykers

Zealots will still not use it most of the time

[compact cargo]

We still don't have cannon, but we reinforced glass now

[wet belfry]

Ogryn will benefit hugely from this no?

[manic needle]

Veterans: "Am I a joke to you?"

[wet belfry]

They have talents that already impact coherency, coherency regen.

[compact cargo]

Lynchpin ogryns yes

[still hearth]

Tbf, they will but they already get most of their toughness back all the time

[still hearth]

Yes.

[manic needle]

👏

[still hearth]

Vets already having +25% tuffness back on elite kill lul

[orchid cairn]

Few ranged grunts in a good position in damnation are(or atleast were)much more deadly than a 200 grunt horde.

[still hearth]

And +25% more

[compact cargo]

and stacking +25% unlike us

[still hearth]

Vets are cracked

[orchid cairn]

But it's not like I have toughness curios myself that I can even go and test this thing out so meh.

[cyan notch]

baby's first fps

[still hearth]

Yes but that's like saying a group of maulers is scarier than 200 nameless goons

[cyan notch]

here stand still and shoot everything with wallhacks while youre invisible

[still hearth]

Thd difficulties come from multiple spawns

And Psyker could already afk behind cover to deal with shooters

It just takes time

[manic needle]

It's actually unreal how bad most veterans are in high difficulty pubs, but they get away with it

[compact cargo]

psyker buff when

[still hearth]

-Insert clip of Vet spamming a crusher with lasgun shots while I BB the crusher-

[manic needle]

I saw that comedy gold

[still hearth]

"I'm helping!"

[compact cargo]

[rocky cedar]

This is why rending shockwave trauma is great

[manic needle]

+2 damage, +2 damage, +2 damage

[still hearth]

The 60 damage crits tho

[rocky cedar]

You can make the poor confused vet do decent damage to the crusher with his lasgun

[cyan notch]

i like those that throw 2 grenades into a horde thats being flamed

yeah guys! we got em! teamwork!

[manic needle]

Voidstrike blast radius damage is so jealous right now

[rocky cedar]

Make them feel good about themself

[fierce sinew]

they're just being homies, trying to get you the AB procs faster

[orchid cairn]

I mean I just wanted to throw an counter argument to you saying: The challenge is still the same earlier while clearly it is not, because it's a straight out nerf to ranged enemies if now you have to have a horde of ranged grunts to even scratch you where as before even 2 basic ranged guys catching you in the open could shred your toughness in a blink of an eye.

[wet belfry]

Honestly some classes needed buffs to against ranged enemys

Espically the ogryn

But ye outside of that it may be abit much.

[cyan notch]

they do it to zealots flaming too unfortunately

[wet belfry]

I dont think this either addresses the actual problem with psyker against ranged, where it simply would take to long to kill a group of 30 scab gunners.

[still hearth]

Sure that's a reasonable argument. I'm also not saying the game isn't easier. I'm saying the toughness regen doesn't trivialize the game as much as people think. It's a huge boon vs ranged, but they also fixed suppression which nerfs ranged groups anyway.

[fierce sinew]

maybe they're just using grenade regen and feel the need to make doubly sure they're never ever full

[manic needle]

Gotta pad the end-of-game scoreboa- oh....

[compact cargo]

Ogryn is fine.

[manic needle]

Speaking of scoreboards is it just me or did the community stop giving a shit about them generally?

[compact cargo]

Psyker is the only class needing a cannon for his glass

[still hearth]

Psyker:Glass
Zealot, Ogryn, Vet:Cannons

There you go

[compact cargo]

[still hearth]

[cyan notch]

ogryn is more like

healer

[fierce sinew]

whether the regen is more or less impactful than the suppression changes, the combination is trivializing

[still hearth]

Ogryn actually does great damage

[compact cargo]

Atleast we can make others have less ult downtime if they kill elites or specials

[compact cargo]

GG 2 shot reapers

[fierce sinew]

both changes are big

[manic needle]

Speaking of suppression, has anyone given Terrifying Barrage another try since the changes?

[fierce sinew]

I haven't, I don't see why you'd bother on a staff now

[rocky cedar]

I've got it on my brauto but hard to tell if it's the blessing or suppression changes generally

[fierce sinew]

they're terrified of vanilla left clicks

no barrage needed

[cyan notch]

i have it on my purg staff so im basically trying it whether i want it or not

[manic needle]

Still useless?

[cyan notch]

i havent noticed anything different

[rocky cedar]

Does it even proc off burn kills?

Quite possibly not

[manic needle]

Im wondering if it would have any value on a voidstrike during a flank, but again Im not playing right now so I havent even seen how it works without it

[cyan notch]

it supresses dudes behind and around me

which is like cool ig

[orchid cairn]

Was the suppression change a bug fix or just a nerf? Can you tell me please? I can't find it from the patch notes.

[steel egret]

Lol I guess I have to since thats on most of my staffs.

[still hearth]

Damnation has always been pretty easy, it was just that their features were scuffed and enemies weren't working reasonably half the time. Other than outlier situations idk. The regen doesn't help Zealot much, it doesn't help in melee which is when shotgunners butt blasting you sucks the most. It trivializes situations that were in my eyes unfair as fuck in the enemies favour.

[steel egret]

Its a fix.

[wet belfry]

I hope they fix the hounds.

[still hearth]

It was intended though.

Their values were just unreasonable

[orchid cairn]

If you think Damnation is too easy you need to convert to the church of playing in public games.

[steel egret]

Animation and firing delay I would like to think werent.

[manic needle]

And here I thought random Dregs shrugging off being shot at like theyre a Space Marine was lore-accurate

[fierce sinew]

it seems like you basically agree? That it trivializes what was the only challenging thing about t5 is exactly what I'm saying

[still hearth]

I do. I ran a Hi5 with a meh loadout and I think my team went down 12 times overall.

[compact cargo]

How do you get pub games for damnation, it's a wasteland

[steel egret]

Running with randos for easy ress penances

[cyan notch]

depends on region tbh

[orchid cairn]

Yeah I found this also, thank you, but I meant more does the word "tweak" here mean a fix or a nerf?

That was my confusion, I'm not a native english speaker.

[steel egret]

It takes few extra minutes or sometimes instant.

[cyan notch]

nerf

[marsh token]

Start Damnation Public Game.
Wait for Players. Found one Player.
Player dies instant. Player leaves.
Countiune the Game with the Bots

[compact cargo]

I don't play games to restart matchmaking searches or play half a map with bots

[crude talon]

What are people bitching about now?

[still hearth]

Partially, yes. But I don't agree that ranged only situations was the hardest part of Damnation. It was always a mix bag when people actually start dying (horde + shooters + specials).

[manic needle]

They used the word fix, but they also said previously that the values were intentional, which would imply a buff to suppression mechanics.

Your choice whether to believe the patch notes or the Community Support team

[austere estuary]

not seen this bug before

[steel egret]

Thats a easy choice.

[orchid cairn]

What values? You mean the ones now active in the game?

[fierce sinew]

fix and buff/nerf aren't exclusive

[manic needle]

I have lol

[crude talon]

Yo, hot take (maybe) the void strike staff sucks ass

[steel egret]

Nah

[still hearth]

It does

[crude talon]

Lots of visual bugs these days

[compact cargo]

Maybe Recon lasgun is good

[manic needle]

They said that the original, pre-patch values were intended on the forum, but then used the word "fix" in the patch notes about the changed values

[crude talon]

Someone void pill me on the void strike staff.

[fierce sinew]

it was worse than purge and surge on t5 before this patch, which nerfed it

[still hearth]

Shoot horde heads

[orchid cairn]

I find them pretty consistently, but I haven't now played for multiple days. I only play Pubs on 4/5 difficulty. I don't care about grinding materials, I just play for the challenge and fun.

[vernal frost]

what's the nerf on it exactly?

[fierce sinew]

still rather have a voidstrike on my team than gunpsyker

[still hearth]

Objectively worst take

[compact cargo]

Whenever I got time it's pretty dead in EU, full of rq too on first down

[still hearth]

At least if they bring the XII

[cyan notch]

the fact that almost the entire page of patch notes is full of sentences that start with "fixed" but for suppression changes they start with "tweaked" is pretty clear that its a nerf not a bug fix imo

[fierce sinew]

more peril

[still hearth]

They fixed the values in players eyes

[crude talon]

Are people saying suppression changes make 5s easier?

[orchid cairn]

And also I play only gun Psyker so I don't know how prejudiced people would be if I used a premade group here with random people and having to tell them that beforehand even before giving me a chance.

[vernal frost]

damn that sucks

[crude talon]

You rocking the revolver?

[compact cargo]

why

[vernal frost]

at least they doubled the amount of hits you can do with trauma

not that anyone uses it anyways

[fierce sinew]

you can still use transfer peril to countervail it, so it's not a huge nerf to the optimal setup

[crude talon]

MAaaaaan FUCK the trauma staff.

[vernal frost]

yeah it's weak

[cyan notch]

is aight

[vernal frost]

like the one staff in v2

[fierce sinew]

you just lose out if you haven't rng'd into that yet

[crude talon]

If I wanna knock people over I’ll just play ogryn

[still hearth]

Real people don't think Gun Psyker is bad if you use the XII and not meme guns

[vernal frost]

true true

[vernal frost]

it's blast radius is ass

and damage falloff

[cyan notch]

psyker still has parkinsons with revolver at high peril so i dont imagine anyone using it

[vernal frost]

Honestly I think the latter is killing it a bit more

[crude talon]

You’d be wrong lol I see them a lot

[orchid cairn]

Revolver, Vraks III, Autopistol, Agripinaa Mk I and Graia Mk VIII.

[fierce sinew]

and now under suppression it's parkinson's under a strobe light

[orchid cairn]

I can DM you my Steam Guide if you want to know more.

Although it's not updated to this very patch that just happened.

[crude talon]

I don’t read guides on video games. That shit is cringe

[vernal frost]

I'd rather run 6 wounds kamikaze than a gun psyker

[orchid cairn]

XII is the Lasgun? Nah I hate using that.

I can't hit shit with it.

I don't like the holosight.

[crude talon]

I’ve yet to see a revolver psyker do anything but miss and hide while BBing tho

[still hearth]

Inb4 you run a meme gun and make Gun Psyker look bad

[orchid cairn]

I played every mission through on Damnation with pubs as gun psyker so trust me the good revolver psykers do exists.

[idle bay]

Give psyker a Boltgun , Flamer and Plamagun

[orchid cairn]

We are just a rare sight.

[still hearth]

XII does so much damage you can just bodyshot and its fine

It's such a stupid gun

[crude talon]

Is your name in game Vengeance @orchid cairn

[vernal frost]

yeah and some nades instead of bb

[orchid cairn]

No.

[crude talon]

One day I’ll find that cuck.

[idle bay]

XII's only enemy is a shit hit registration when , you 1 shot anything non-elite in grinder by body shot and in mission you spend 5-6 shots on karking dreg because game don;t register hits 🙂

[orchid cairn]

Everything is viable if you know what you are doing. Meme weapons only exist in the minds of those who haven't gone over their limits.

[still hearth]

Still better.

[cyan notch]

thats just a game thing imo ive had revolver shots that did nothing

[idle bay]

Most comfy gun in the game

[still hearth]

Sure but any other gun will suck up ammo like a vacuum basically

The XII niche is perfect for Psyker too

[orchid cairn]

I never have ammo troubles and I never hog ammo either so meh.

[compact cargo]

When will they let psyker use shotgun

[still hearth]

I think some HH are fine

[still hearth]

What do you run

Expose yourself, poser

[orchid cairn]

Revolver, Vraks III, Autopistol, Agripinaa Mk I and Graia Mk VIII.

[crude talon]

@orchid cairn where’s your YouTube channel? I’m not gonna lie, I actually don’t believe you lmao

[orchid cairn]

I change my weapons a lot, I like variety.

[still hearth]

Revolver is actually memes. But I run it unironically for the stagger.

[orchid cairn]

I don't have a Youtube channel.

[still hearth]

Its damage though

[idle bay]

XII is so good that you don't even need ammo pickups on vet - it's insanely ammo efficient.

[still hearth]

Autopistol is almost as bad ammo efficiency as laspistol but the HH and infantry guns can be fine

[crude talon]

@orchid cairn we should play a game together ☺️

[still hearth]

Tfw no invite

[cyan notch]

u gotta be in the same region else the ping is gonna be ass

[crude talon]

All psyker 5s? Let’s gooooo

[orchid cairn]

Something tells me this is some kind of a plot to try to make Gun Psyker look like Heresy lmao.

[crude talon]

I just wanna see if you’re full of shit or not

[still hearth]

I'll run Revolver with you

Autopistol on Psyker felt awful to me but it's at least not the Laspistol

[cyan notch]

Laspisofshit

[crude talon]

I know at least 1 revolver using psyker out there that probably thinks they are good because me and my zealot friend carried him in pubs. Twice.

[still hearth]

Revolver is unironically good. (If you use it to stagger enemies instead of wasting 10% of your ammo to kill one dude)

[cyan notch]

i mean if they said they did every mission on damnation in pubs as gun psyker theyre probably good

[crude talon]

Yea? Well I’m a snake person that lives in the moon and I own the sun.

[still hearth]

I've also ran mostly gun psyker on Damnation and it feels way more impactful than the staffs did

[crude talon]

People can SAY whatever they want lol

[forest coral]

hey guys, anyone tested toughness curios on psyker since the update?

[still hearth]

It's bad don't use it

Jk it's broken

Use it

[cyan notch]

well yours is not believable

[still hearth]

[forest coral]

i saw the ogryn and zealot clips lmao

like wtf

[orchid cairn]

I have 2 screenshots in the beginning of my guide as proof I'm not talking shit.

[still hearth]

It's the same on all classes except Ogryn since they have a feat for more regen

[crude talon]

Link

[cyan notch]

https://streamable.com/ec1vwv

pre nuts

[clear heath]

people can make any garbage work in damnation. not too hard to believe
i've run recon lasgun on psyker before in damn (it's terrible don't do it)

[forest coral]

most balanced game kek

[crude talon]

I have 35% toughness regen rn and it’s great

[compact cargo]

Like running chaxe zealot in damn

[crude talon]

Chain axe is a Chad weapon

[compact cargo]

[crude talon]

@orchid cairn link me to your guide plz

[orchid cairn]

Dm'd you.

[crude talon]

I hope it’s a dick pic

[hoary shadow]

question : for a Purgatus Force Staff what is the stat to prioritise / perk and blessing ? thx

[compact cargo]

burn

[still hearth]

Burn = Cloud Radius >>> Warp Resist = Quell Speed > Damage

[crude talon]

@orchid cairn that’s a based picture on that guide

Actually funny lol

[hoary shadow]

ok damage in last 🙂

[cyan notch]

id rank cloud higher than burn

[still hearth]

Yeah

[hoary shadow]

and what about perk / blessing ?

[still hearth]

Yeah that's reasonable. Its slightly more important, Burn is what does damage to big targets though.

Ideally you want 76% burn and 80% Cloud Radius anyway

[wet belfry]

Crit chance in perk, second perk ??: Blessings warp nexus, terrifying barrage/warp flurry.

Warp flurry im unsure of how good it is

Its been broken for so long.

[orchid cairn]

Revolver Psykelote.

[hoary shadow]

purgatus can crit ?

[wet belfry]

yes

[still hearth]

It applies 2 extra stacks on crits

[wet belfry]

You want as high crit chance on the purgatus as you can basically get.

[vernal frost]

does damage also affect tickrate as with the flamer?

[orchid cairn]

Yeah Laspistol is something even I don't understand. It has the gimmicky "pistol whip" melee but other than that it's very sub par.

[still hearth]

It doesn't on flamer either.

[compact cargo]

las pistol has good cc on special

[still hearth]

Damage only increases the tick rate of the direct flame.

Not the DoT

[steel egret]

Due wording we think its on burn side.

[regal musk]

the special push on the laspistol has a weirdly long range lol

[compact cargo]

infernus stacks with soulblaze too

[orchid cairn]

Yeah it's pretty funny.

[steel egret]

10m

[orchid cairn]

Force Laspistol push.

[steel egret]

Unless they changed it on hotfix.

[clear heath]

i wish more weapons had that
I guess they wanted laspistol to be unique because it's dogshit

[orchid cairn]

And IIRC it doesn't cost any peril or costs so little that it doesn't matter if you spam it.

[clear heath]

I think it costed like 4 peril? can't remember

[steel egret]

It cost 10 peril and stamina.

[regal musk]

The peril doesnt feel liek mcuh because its a non force weapon so it drains super quick

[steel egret]

Less if you have warp resistance obviously.

[orchid cairn]

It actually costed stamina!? Wow that's pretty lame.

Well R.I.P. if it also costs stamina.

[regal musk]

The stam to use it regens by the end of the animation lol

[orchid cairn]

Oh I see.

[crude talon]

Ok I’m back

FIRST OF ALL @orchid cairn you lied to me

You have YouTube videos IN your guide!

Lol

So you HAVE a YT channel 🤬

[orchid cairn]

Yeah when you put it that way I lied.

I meant more that I don't have a Youtube channel dedicated to Darktide stuff.

Sorry I didn't mean to mislead you.

[crude talon]

All good lol

[orchid cairn]

I hope you can now believe that I'm legit.

[steel egret]

[crude talon]

Second: inquisitorial legend is heresy or higher, and the other screenshot is for the damnation frame. 7 mission types. BUT other than that.

I

Actually

Believe you now

[orchid cairn]

Yeah I know IL is only Heresy or Higher, that is why I posted the 2nd screenshot with the frame.

[crude talon]

I do have a question though. Do you play with your friends or pug?

[orchid cairn]

But I have played every mission through on Damnation not just type, but you can choose to believe me or not, I don't care.

[crude talon]

I said I believe you, chill lol

[orchid cairn]

Only public games.

[crude talon]

Ok

[orchid cairn]

The only time I played with a friend was in the VERY beginning when he was still playing a shitload of Darktide.

But that was just Malice bullshit and learning stuff.

I was a complete newbie lmao.

[crude talon]

I’m not a god gamer so im probably not gonna run gun psyker.

[orchid cairn]

If I can do it, you can. I'm not a god gamer by any means in Darktide lmao.

[austere estuary]

gunpsyker is fun

[crude talon]

I just don’t know how effective I’d be with it, in those situations where you need to carry/pick up all the slack from shitting vets

[austere estuary]

there's nothing bad about it

[crude talon]

Well that’s not true. Lol.

But

[clear heath]

there isn't much good about it either

[orchid cairn]

It's the Hipster way of playing Psyker.

[crude talon]

Actually true

[austere estuary]

relative to staves, the only real difference is guns tend to be better at single targets, and use ammo

[clear heath]

actually it's probably a bit more playable now with toughness regen speed
toughness regen on gun psyker was a pain previously because 0 synergy with the level 5 feats

[orchid cairn]

I can twirl my waxed moustache while playing with a Revoler Psyker.

(I don't even have facial hair irl lmao)

[crude talon]

No weebs do

[austere estuary]

yeah it wasn't ideal but warp charges + passives for it worked enough

[still hearth]

Purge: Anti-horde, CC
Surge: Anti-elite, CC
XII: Anti-elite, anti-shooter, actually kills things, lots of ammo
HH/Infantry: Anti-elite, anti-shooter, suppresses, less ammo
Autopistol: Fast, suppresses, lack of ammo

[austere estuary]

now with the new regen it's way better

[still hearth]

Now play Revolver

You losers

[steel egret]

No

[still hearth]

If you can't beat Damnation on Revolver you're bad

[austere estuary]

autopistol with the blessing of 15% power each time you stagger something

can jack its power up pretty hard

[crude talon]

@orchid cairn that first video I saw you hiding and BBing I was like, “I KNEW IT”

Lol

[clear heath]

i mean at that point you're mostly playing melee psyker and just taking out a gun for the occasional stagger

[still hearth]

No one claimed you never BB on Gun Psyker

Hopefully

[orchid cairn]

We need to have an achievement of clearing Damnation with only Laspistol Psykers without anyone going down on a public game.

[austere estuary]

yeah that would be silly

like claiming you shouldn't bb on staff psyker

or melee

ridic

[steel egret]

For some psykers its their main weapon.

[austere estuary]

using a gun != using ONLY a gun

[still hearth]

I usually BB 2x

THen swap to XII

And blast away until I can BB

[austere estuary]

if anything gun + turbo bbs works nicely together

[steel egret]

I dont BB unless I really have to.

[austere estuary]

gets your stacks going quickly and then you can maintain them with the passives

[manic needle]

I've seen enough of that to know that some people seriously think that way. They..... arent very good teammates.

[still hearth]

That way you get your Toughness from quelling

[austere estuary]

pain

[crude talon]

Turbo BB on anything but the purge staff imo

[still hearth]

AB on other things is good too though

You can run it with Gun

Stack to 5-6 stacks

[crude talon]

Ew

[still hearth]

One-shot a horde

[crude talon]

Idk I don’t like it

[still hearth]

Go back to shooting elites

[manic needle]

I want to go back and try AB with surge staff again at some point. I was big on KB last time I ran with it.

[still hearth]

Your puny human feelings does not affect my immortal robot spirit.

[clear heath]

it's a shame psykers don't get the brauto
would be an interesting gun psyker build. weaknesses of brauto are mostly just long range and armor, which BB can cover for

[crude talon]

Anyone else just have a blast on the dueling sword?

[cyan notch]

but no flater

flayer

[still hearth]

Flayer is trash

Enjoy

[crude talon]

Actual heresy

[still hearth]

15s cooldown. Pops randomly.

Nah thanks.

Its nice when you randomly one-shot ragers though

[orchid cairn]

Lmao the best feat on Gun Psyker.

[manic needle]

Flayer is good for maintaining stacks and not much else, unless you're running surge in which case it can actually hit elites sometimes as a secondary benefit

[orchid cairn]

Indeed actual heresy.

[still hearth]

You one-shot one enemy

Once every 15s

Maybe

[crude talon]

It’s not random, it either pops or it doesn’t 🙂

[still hearth]

If you're lucky

And it doesn't pop on something useless.

[clear heath]

that is incredibly sad but probably true
half of the other feats don't even do anything so it makes sense

[compact cargo]

6 warp charges tho

[still hearth]

6 Warp Charges = 6% more damage and Peril Resistance

[orchid cairn]

That is not the only reason you take it. It's also to maintain your warp charges or atleast have one from the proc.

[west galleon]

The way you decide for feats:
Always pick C and you got a 1/3 chance to be correct

[orchid cairn]

The 15% isn't even hard to get if you use rapid fire guns.

[west galleon]

One line, dont be picky

[still hearth]

10%*

[manic needle]

Still better than popping a random mob on your own for stacks, because there's no time investment. I strongly disagree with anyone who takes Flayer for a damage boost to their build, though

[still hearth]

But also I just BB

Consistently

[west galleon]

Or level your character without picking any feats, thats actually way cooler

[river sand]

every time i want to play gun-psyker .... well i just log into my vet ....

[crude talon]

Imagine using BB on anything but ogryns yuck

[still hearth]

Stop using bad guns on Vet.

Run Brauto anti shooter or don't play the game

This is a joke

[compact cargo]

Run las pistol*

[vernal frost]

oh apologies that my squad of 3 veterans with bolters and brautoguns can't kill a sniper

[orchid cairn]

Yeah 10%, sorry I mixed the numbers with the 15% damage boost feat.

[crude talon]

No one wanted to talk about how cool the dueling sword is so I’m gonna go to sleep

[orchid cairn]

It's one of my favourites.

[manic needle]

Yeah same, I generally run KB right now for use on elites. Still there are some sections where there's nothing worth BBing and for those sections Flayer is a nice supplement, especially if whatever weapon youre running doesnt benefit much from 6 stacks.

[vernal frost]

still not as good as saltz' rapier...

[orchid cairn]

Dodging for days.

[crude talon]

Are you a weeb and a bonger?!

[orchid cairn]

I don't know what is a bonger so probably I'm not it.

[still hearth]

Anyway the real feat is 25-2

[river sand]

It's ok, but lacks the 40k-feeling of chainsword or the killing power of mk5 😉

[still hearth]

Whatever that feat does

I forgot

[manic needle]

Kinetic Overload?

[river sand]

and as long as you got your freshly buffed trauma stuff you dont need anything else

[crude talon]

Actually I’m dumb probably other places spell stuff that way

[still hearth]

That one.

[clear heath]

yeah but can a vet do this???
(don't do it, recon sucks)

[manic needle]

No longer useful for stealth pulling Daemonhosts, feels bad.

[crude talon]

Anyway I’m screwed for tomorrow at work so Imma try to sleep. Bye everyone!

[orchid cairn]

Good night, sleep tight guv.

[still hearth]

Vet: Angry Bolter noises

[river sand]

lol a second BB would have killed it faster ^^

[vernal frost]

ah yes, the staff that makes hordes die of boredom

[still hearth]

Trauma is great if you enjoy herding enemies into a gangbang

[clear heath]

recon las is also very funny for getting dogs off people
it has 0 stagger against infested so you can fire like 20 shots into a dog and have it not fall off
it's hilarious

[cyan notch]

even normal lasguns dont do anything to doggos tbh

[vernal frost]

XII just straight up shreds them

[cyan notch]

sometimes even secondary purg fire does nothing

[clear heath]

funny stagger value

[still hearth]

I think you need to crit with purge secondary to stagger dogs off people

[clear heath]

imagine firing 5 shots into a poxwalker and not staggering them

it is hilariously bad

[orchid cairn]

You seem to have a real Ju - On: The Grudge against the Recon Lasgun lmao.

[cyan notch]

i hate it too

fake ammo count

i hate all fake ammo guns

[clear heath]

i honestly only used it out of spite because my friend used it

a friend of mine used it for a while
finally got sick of it when a dog jumped me and he emptied an entire mag to do nothing

[orchid cairn]

Don't worry: My Gun Psyker guide doesn't advocate the usage of the Recon Lasgun as Psyker so you don't have to report me to the FBI.

[cyan notch]

link this guide

[orchid cairn]

I can DM it to you if you want. I don't know about the rules of linking stuff here. I linked it a long time ago without asking from anyone if it's allowed and I don't dare to do it again.

[manic needle]

I still cant believe there's a Recon Lasgun Gunker build gunking up this channel's pins

If nothing else a link to the post should be added to another post that has a conglomerate of links

Save us the trouble of having to scroll through it every time

[cyan notch]

just post it here its definitely allowed

[orchid cairn]

Okay I trust you mate.

[cyan notch]

theres much worse stuff that people get away with

[clear heath]

the strat to using recon lasgun psyker is to use the gun as little as possible because it will absolutely eat your ammo
I found myself using melee and BB more than ever when trying the build

[manic needle]

It's on topic to the channel, I can double check the rules if you'd really like.

[clear heath]

being able to just spray at something every 15s and blow them up is pretty funny tho

[cyan notch]

the no recoil is cool

[orchid cairn]

Although keep in mind: it's not completely updated now to this bugfix patch and I don't plan on doing it because I don't play Darktide anymore other than sometimes checking the store for fun if I feel like it.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2904458225

[manic needle]

Same my guy

[orchid cairn]

You can pin this if you feel like it's worthy of such deed for the fellow Psyker players.

Oh I guess you are not a mod lmao.

You had the aura of one.

[manic needle]

Definitely not, although Id like to edit my pinned post with updated links to other guides

[fierce sinew]

funnily enough the toughness regen change giving me new upgrades to chase (in the form of curios) makes me want to play more than I did previously

maybe that's the secret strat

[orchid cairn]

Maybe you can ping the mods and ask them to fix this scenario.

[manic needle]

I favorited yours, gun Psyker isnt conceptually my thing but I might run it someday to switch things up

[orchid cairn]

My thanks to you.

https://tenor.com/view/edgeworth-anime-take-a-bow-adieu-gentle-sir-gif-5350249

[manic needle]

Im actually not sure what the rules are regarding edits to pinned posts, I think I can just add to mine as needed, on the honor system

Ill DM a moderator at some point

[clear heath]

a few of the pinned messages have edits on them anyways

[north cradle]

Apparently upgrading from blue to purple makes the base rating wonky like it does from purple to gold now?

[manic needle]

That's been happening for as long as the purple to gold glitch, I believe