psyker-class

[cyan notch]

drg looks goofy

cant stand that art style

[fierce sinew]

as a solution to a playerbase being fragmented in an instanced game

[cloud heron]

the art style kept me off for a long time, but the gameplay is great

[vagrant cedar]

what about TF2

[cloud heron]

i played some 500 hours of it back when it released

[cyan notch]

sucks

[vagrant cedar]

WOAH

WOAH WOAH WOAH

as someone with over 6k hours i took that a bit offensive

it has 100x better RNG and re-playability factor than Darktide or vermintide games tho

[lethal plover]

that is a comment about the art style, not gameplay

[cloud heron]

i feel like DRG lacked good special variety

[cyan notch]

yea i just dont like the art style

[vagrant cedar]

Driller and Scout is hella fun

[cloud heron]

I mean special enemies

[wet jacinth]

A lot of people get bored of DRG quickly because the enemy variety isn't as big as you'd expect

[lethal plover]

I actually empathize with that. I didn't like the art style when I first saw it either. But when you get into the action you kinda not mind it

[vagrant cedar]

i mean, it's underground mines, you got bugs and robots now

[wet jacinth]

DRG used to be even more polygon-y in the old days

[vagrant cedar]

not alot of things could fit in into that theme

[wet jacinth]

Bugs

[vagrant cedar]

like what

[cloud heron]

Eh, I don't remember any melee grabby enemies. Or ranged units that moved inside of the horde instead of sniping from the roof

[wet jacinth]

Also aliens technically

[cloud heron]

like all of the specials were just so isolated from the trash

[wet jacinth]

There's grab specials though they aren't an abundance like in tide games

[vagrant cedar]

yeah but that would literally fill up every sort of possible type

apart from water bugs

[wet jacinth]

This reason is why more DRG fans end up moving towards modded hazards

[vagrant cedar]

they could add water levels with water bugs

[cloud heron]

I mean there's nothing like the l4d charger. There's the flying one but that's handled differently

[wet jacinth]

Water isnt being added

Neither is Melee iirc

[vagrant cedar]

you can melee but it just aint practive

it's like wanting vermintide to be range game

[wet jacinth]

Nah I mean as in more melee weapons and etc than what's already available

[vagrant cedar]

aint the focus

[lethal plover]

enemy variety kinda makes me miss warframe a bit but I definitely don't miss all the stupid farming in wf

[wet jacinth]

DRG you can Melee with pickaxe/Drills/Throwing axes

But that's as close as you will get. Unmodded that is

[cloud heron]

I do love DRG though. You should definitely try to look past the art style and give it a go

[vagrant cedar]

either way, Diablo 4 this summer

[lethal plover]

ever since souls I could never go back to brainless clickfest diablo style gameplay

[cyan notch]

im waiting for diablo too

[floral solstice]

play diablo on your phones

[cyan notch]

i did

it was mid

[floral solstice]

you still have money left after?

[cyan notch]

didnt spend a lot

[lethal plover]

you spent something?

[cyan notch]

mainly the battlepasses

[floral solstice]

speaking of arpgs has anyone played inquisitor martyr

[cyan notch]

got #4 wizard in challenge rift and even top 10 in pvp

[floral solstice]

ive been getting the itch to try it

[cyan notch]

got tired of getting beat by people with lesser skill but more money

[lethal plover]

I have. It's kinda okay. Intense action with some difficulty curve. I don't remember why I stopped playing

by far though best on the horizon is Wo Long.

[floral solstice]

hmm i might just give inquisitor martyr a go at some point

[lethal plover]

If the gameplay is half as good as nioh 2 it's a definite must play

[floral solstice]

oh hell yeah

i loved nioh 2

dang now i wanna reinstall nioh 2

i cleared depths +9 before uninstalling

[lethal plover]

I am just apprehensive that they are gonna do the nioh thing with the story again. just cool vignettes instead of a full story

[floral solstice]

yeah, but i kinda dont mind tbh because core gameplay is super fun

[lethal plover]

granted, story isn't why people play such games but I feel like there's room for improvement

[floral solstice]

meanwhile darktide

releasing the game with so many lacking shit

[lethal plover]

it's vermintide all over again

I stopped playing vt2 at some point because of no content. years after and it looks like it has some content now

[floral solstice]

this is my first tide game

were the early months of vt release a shitshow too?

[forest coral]

yerp

[floral solstice]

well im not surprised

i guess the lesson is to not buy fatshark games until at least 6-12months after release

[idle shuttle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/286737365756674048/1067142532422696990/887.jpg

whens rebless

[light quail]

it is done

[idle shuttle]

darktide story. very intrigue

oscars and grammys

[sudden haven]

I am now part of the 1.2% brothers

[true lake]

no one would have ever expected the zealot to not be loyal!

[floral solstice]

ayt i dont expect crafting to be complete soon so i'll just consecrate a bunch of grey antax mk v's to blue

what could go wrong

welp that was a waste of plasteel

boredom kills

[true lake]

honestly i just stopped playing because of how much the updates slowed

it was fun at first but now i cant play with my friends because they crash every run without fail

[forest coral]

yeahh

in one of the lfgs we were in, a veteran disconnected like 11 times in 3 rounds

[floral solstice]

i bet it was way more than that

[forest coral]

one of them was kinda funny

pox burster jumped on him and Boom

[floral solstice]

he crashes like a minute or two after rejoining lmao

[forest coral]

player turned into a bot

yeh

[floral solstice]

lmao that one was funny

dude got burster'd so hard he turned to a bot

[forest coral]

im sad i didnt record the moment

[floral solstice]

dont record our gameplay so i can flame you

[forest coral]

I have records of ur aboos

[floral solstice]

i just queued for a random damnation pug and i brought surge with my usual purg layout

essence harvest surge lul

[forest coral]

wait you use essence harvest?

is that even good

[floral solstice]

on surge? i use quietitude

[rose lily]

what are the best curios for a surge staff psyker and or purg staff?

[forest coral]

with how squishy psyker's tough is generally, I personally go all 3 into health since psyker's health since it seems to have most noticeable effect on survivability and aim for damage reduc from gunners

[regal musk]

Psykers passive should be to block health damage while we have toughness.
Especially since we dont exactly get a lot of DR to toughness >_>

[forest coral]

That would make sense if they finally tweaked some traits to enable a proper melee psyker. I guess the bright side is how the class is at doing peeks from cover and taking things out

[north cradle]

Try it on a Purgatus and Ascendant Blaze

I actually prefer Essence Harvest over Warp Absorption to begin with, but I've been told gun psykers or Surge Staff enjoyers might benefit from the one that regens Toughness on quelling Peril

[forest coral]

Quietude

yeah I've been using that mainly since its very reliable

[regal musk]

Quietude is pretty decent with Purgatus, since it can build peril in a hurry when you want it to lol

[north cradle]

I still think Essence Harvest and Ascendant Blaze is how Purgatus is supposed to be run

[forest coral]

need to try this tho, sounds good on paper

not sure how i feel about losing all warp stacks on skill use but im open to new builds

[north cradle]

Oh you get them back pree quick. Sometimes I'll unleash a zero stack on a horde just to get some Warp Charges in a few seconds

[floral solstice]

well quietitude is more efficient on peril hungry staves, but you can run it with purg why not

i tested both and essence harvest just feels slightly better to me when i run purg

[forest coral]

yee ill try it out

[north cradle]

Ya I think Trauma and Surge are best for Quietude personally

[forest coral]

oh surge and quietude is ❤️

[floral solstice]

no you won't, im playing the psyker again jk

[forest coral]

why not, second psyker

[floral solstice]

no

forbidden

[forest coral]

[floral solstice]

darktide poster shows 4 different rejects

no cloning

kidding aside, i think im playing ogryn today

random pug ogryns making me play ogryn today

[forest coral]

are they inspiring you or 'inspiring' you

[floral solstice]

they make me perspire from all the hard carrying jk

[north cradle]

Man, what I wouldn't give to be able to use my rejects as bots. No Veteran clones either

And they'd be decked out in only the finest of Heresy Penance garb

[forest coral]

lore accurate day 1 recruit guardsman thrown into hopeless battle against chaos

[floral solstice]

some of them even have the same names in the same game

[north cradle]

I've had three "black lady with mohawk" bots in the same game

[floral solstice]

sounds kinky

[gilded cloud]

How did you do it?

[north cradle]

Well they certainly eliminated my alpha target

[atomic dagger]

2nd blessing ruined it

[floral solstice]

welcome to the club

[north cradle]

CommsPlex Espionage, the arena where you have to get a lift with a data-interrogator. Three to five Gunners or Shotgunners will spawn behind the statue.

[floral solstice]

the run n gun club

[sudden haven]

Comms Plex. The room where you have to defend the auspex. Groups of 3 shotgunners spawn in together and walk into the room

[atomic dagger]

man i think ill pause/quit darktide

[north cradle]

Make sure they're Shotgunners though, because Gunners will run away from you if you get too close

[gilded cloud]

Is quell speed not important? Also what does the red lock on the perk mean?

[floral solstice]

i mean why not, fatshark aint giving us shit rn

only reason why im still playing is ive nothing else to play rn

[gilded cloud]

Does 1 explosion kill them if they're at full health?

[floral solstice]

aside from soulstorm lol

[north cradle]

Red lock means he refined the other perk

[gilded cloud]

Ah gotcha. Thanks

[sudden haven]

No. Make sure youre around 86 peril and spam them with purg staff till you explode

[floral solstice]

safer to damage them just a little bit first and tell your team you're doing the penance

[north cradle]

On Malice, I think a peril explosion kills from up to 4m away. So you've got a pretty good chance

True, soften them up with a couple mind bullets

[gilded cloud]

Also.... Speaking of... So if you refined a perk... And then you improve the rarity of the item... The new perk is locked still huh?

So it's best to improve the rarity to unlock more perks, then change the shittiest one?

[forest coral]

did u do it with an organized group?

[floral solstice]

maybe with a quick cast surge and turn off flayer

[gilded cloud]

Ah, I see

[floral solstice]

or whack them with a weaker melee cleave weapon like claw sword

[forest coral]

because everytime ive tried this penance, some vet forgets

[sudden haven]

No o did it with randos, didnt tell them. Got it second attempt

[forest coral]

and i kill myself for no reason

i hate psyker penances

[atomic dagger]

staffs are rare in shop/melks
then you need a high roll to make it viable
on top you need at least a good initial blessing
prefereable with a high lvl blessing
also at least one perk needs to be viable

precise calculation to occure all of the above: 0.5%

[forest coral]

[north cradle]

I held an RMB Brain Burst, ran over to the Shotgunners, held up a Deflector Force Sword to block their shots, then attempted to charge it up

[atomic dagger]

then god damn troll hadron comes along and Fs up your staff in the last step

man i hate this game so much

[gilded cloud]

Fs it up how? I never used her yet. Does she give a shit perk?

[floral solstice]

crafting coming soon™

[forest coral]

i've gotten malleus monstronum before out with a bang now and i hate it

[slow karma]

The crafting is incomplete. You can likely still fix it when they finish it

[atomic dagger]

she gave me a useless blessing
WHY is this blessing even on staffs?! it doesnt work!

[atomic dagger]

likely when

[forest coral]

next week tm

[slow karma]

LIkely when it gets here.

[gilded cloud]

Ohh okay, I see... At what point is the second blessing added? From purple to orange upgrade?

[floral solstice]

yeah

[atomic dagger]

yes

not to mention all the plasteel and diamantin down the drain

[floral solstice]

from grey: perk>bless>perk>bless

[slow karma]

I'm very tired of everyone opting to just be outwardly, disruptively mad instead of doing something else until they finish cooking their game

[atomic dagger]

i give you an adivce
just hoard useful items
dont craft at all
run lvl3 missions and hoard crafting ressources
wait for crafting system revision/update

[slow karma]

Sit on it until crafting is done and you may end up building a best in slot weapon

[gilded cloud]

Ah okay. Just curious if it's just me... But is most of your guys' armory gear like around the 320-360 modifier rating (not item but modifier) with only the rare and occasional 370 something?

[north cradle]

Knowing our luck, we'll only get to re-bless a single blessing

[slow karma]

Trying to make this half-assed system put out now is kind of a shitty idea to begin with

[north cradle]

My Voidstrike is a 380 but the blessings are trash

[gilded cloud]

Already doing that! Lol 😂

[atomic dagger]

the rating doesnt matter that much but the modifiers

[gilded cloud]

Yeah, but the higher the rating, the higher the percentages added up right? And if it's the right combination at a higher rating then it's better?

[floral solstice]

well sure, but not if the highest stats are on the stats that you don't want

[gilded cloud]

Yeah, and so far... None of the staffs I see have blessings that are level. 3 or 4. Only 1 or 2

[atomic dagger]

purg staffs have a low quell generation, the staff itself also has a high warp resistance. that is why the quell speed does not matter on the staff

for purg staffs you want 76+% burn and at least 70+% cloud with high dmg

[atomic dagger]

as an example

[gilded cloud]

I thought damage didn't matter

It was the burn and cloud

[atomic dagger]

it does matter but has no priority

[gilded cloud]

Ah ok

So for purge... Quell resistance and quell speed are the dumps?

With what preferred blessings?

[north cradle]

Shit blessings

[cold mesa]

finally got to 15 and don't need to be spamming brain burst for warp charge stacks thank god

[gilded cloud]

Nice stats. But warp flurry is alright still or no? Focused channeling is always meh tho right?

[atomic dagger]

warp flurry and warp nexus like on all staffs
literally every other one is useless in varying degrees of uselessness

[north cradle]

Warp Flurry I guess is passable on a Voidstrike since it's best when charged

[gilded cloud]

Warp flurry with transfer would be best tho. Hordes would basically help you max your flurry fast

[north cradle]

Yeh

[gilded cloud]

Yeah, I just turned level 30 and my voidstrike was from level 18 so I bought a new one when it popped up

Unfortunately no ticks tho

[north cradle]

I've never actually seen a staff with Transfer Peril

[gilded cloud]

Seriously?! Whoa

[atomic dagger]

transfer peril is meaningless in my opinion

[gilded cloud]

My level 18 voidstrike had it too

[atomic dagger]

it needs at least double the % across the board to even matter on some staffs

[gilded cloud]

It still lessens the time until you need to quell tho

On voidstrike it helps a lot. I feel
Surge is useless since I don't think secondary fan hit weak spot s

And can purge hit weak spots? Idk... Lol seems dumb there too

And trauma... Idk how you can aim for that weak spot. Too tough

Only seems decent on void

[atomic dagger]

i prefer faster charge up and crit
enemy needs to die fast the higher the mission lvl

[forest coral]

maybe if u only use the light attack

but that feels griefy

[atomic dagger]

but then again, as of now you cant really choose and need to take what you get

[atomic dagger]

this staff is pretty good for initial 30
but i wouldnt craft it up or change blessings/perks on it

[gilded cloud]

Fair enough. I never have played anything above malice. I only play level 3

[gilded cloud]

So leave it as a blue? That seems fine to me. It def could have better stats

[atomic dagger]

stay on 3, its the most bang for your buck - except you stress on penances

[atomic dagger]

ye

if oyu want to go lvl5 missions you kinda have so switch to purg/surge anyways to be viable as psyker - my opinion

[regal musk]

It works surprisingly well in hordes if you catch a lot of heads with a full charge.

[gilded cloud]

Is it cause surge and purge stun/stagger? And Void does less damage and isn't good enough at staggering?

[atomic dagger]

surrge stun lock
purge infinite soul blaze stacks

perhaps surge and purge are dethroned when FT upgrades the crafting systems with access to higher tier blessings and to make best in slot crafting viable

[regal musk]

A decent Void fully charged will 1 tap Scab and Dreg shooters. Its not the damage potential that an issue for higher tiers

[regal musk]

Huh. Fiddling with the Trauma in the meatgrinder since i never really used it after i got Voidstrike... Finally figured out why it always seemed like it had massive damage falloff.
Stuff inside the marked area take the full damage as you'd expect.
But there is a massive radius shockwave that has no indicator that is the source of the insane ragdolling it does.
So massive that it will ragdoll mobs at a distance away from the edge of the marker that is itself the entire width of the actual damage marker.
Might be late to the party on that but holy shit, no wonder the ragdolling is so stupid with it.

[idle bay]

You forgot one aspect of 3 staffs:
Surge, Void and Trauma LMB - supermassive suppression

And picking up annoying stragglers that trickle to the squad one by one...

[manic needle]

Put Transfer Peril on that in a few months (lmao) and thatll be hot shit

[floral solstice]

ha ha few months

nice letter fs

[manic needle]

And its not even a joke anymore thats really how long they said it will take to fix the game

[idle bay]

My Orgyn won Melk's jackpot today. Melk sold 380 base stat Rumbler with a good perk and blessing

[manic needle]

Congrats

Must be nice to be one of the three people to get something good from melk

[idle bay]

I only have seen Melk's store so far as a component of unfinished crafting system - he simply provides "donor" weapons with t4 blessings

that you suppose to destroy and not use at all

That way his trash item sale makes sense

[regal musk]

To be fair, their development plans for post launch would have been laid out before the disaster that was launch.
Our feedback basically made them have to scrap ALL of those plans and then sort through the massive pile of feedback and bug reports.
Expecting all the problems to be fixed in less than a month would require some pretty cruel crunching for the devs.

[idle bay]

They had a long vacation... so they will be fine for a while 🙂

[manic needle]

I feel like, at the very least, finishing the current crafting system should be doable in less time

The framework for that should already be laid out

[regal musk]

They didnt say we would have to wait several months to get any fixes lol

They said several months to get it all fixed.

[idle bay]

And next hotfix in a next week

[regal musk]

We can presumably expect trickles of bug patches and fixes to things over the next few weeks

[idle bay]

Small bugs

My cat's facial expression say it all about last community update.
But i do what i can - play carefully and slowly waiting for things to improve

[regal musk]

Did you steal my cat? o_O

Looks almost identical my own cat lol

[idle bay]

Mine is canadian sphinx without gene mutation that makes them bold 🙂

All the other breed traits is there

[regal musk]

I dont know what mines breed is, I got her as a several week old kitten after her motyher tried to eat the litter

And you may not believe me but ... My cats name is Sphinx ~_~

[idle bay]

Mine is just Freddy (or Hellspawn if he misbehaves)

[regal musk]

Called her that because when i picked her up before deciding which kitten to take she just sat on my palm in the sphinx position, wrapped her tail around my wrist and refused to move lol

0% Blast Radius Trauma might actually be the best way to use it XD

[regal musk]

Hmm. Im torn on which one to invest mats into lol

[manic needle]

Id do left just for the better burn rating

[vagrant cedar]

with right one you can get better perks

but left one has slightly better stats and the talent

[regal musk]

Which perk do y0ou recommend for the left one? Worth keeping the Carapace one or nah?

[cyan notch]

no lol

[regal musk]

What would you go for? Firsat swap was 25% Flak damage lol

[cyan notch]

crit chance

[regal musk]

Question on that
Is Warp Nexus saying the absolute max for its potential crit chance is 4% at max peril, or4% bonus crit per peril breakpoint?

[vagrant cedar]

per stack

so if you get 5 stacks of 4%=20%

[regal musk]

Thanks for the clear up.

[manic needle]

They could have just said 4% chance per stack, to a maximum of 5 stacks

IDK why they didnt

[vagrant cedar]

if your current peril is at 2%

and you do 5 stacks = 10%

[regal musk]

They had their token Ogryn write up the Blessing descriptions, clearly

[vagrant cedar]

because that way it looks like a more complex system

and they thought players would praise the devs

which infact is a stupid system where you don't know the breakpoints

and the UI doesn't show you shit

[regal musk]

So what is it referring to by stacks? Just Peril breakpoints?

[timber hornet]

Is the run n gun perk good or should I look for something better?

[vagrant cedar]

when you use the staff at X peril

you get a % up to 5, a stack of it

every time you use at X peril, another stack

[regal musk]

Ah ok.

Thanks

[vagrant cedar]

well, you gotta hope you do cause i don't think UI shows any stacks

[manic needle]

Run 'n' Gun is almost never good. but if youre asking about the perk to take Id do crit chance

[vagrant cedar]

i wouldn't be surprised if it didn't work at all

[timber hornet]

hmm alright I figured. Ill see what I can get

ty

[floral solstice]

From pygex's guide, it says otherwise regarding warp nexus crit unless im misreading it?

this is regarding the question earlier about nexus

not like i tested nexus myself, all i know is more crits = more fun lol

[manic needle]

Conventional wisdom has always been that it's x% per stack, but conventional wisdom means fuck all tbh

a 5% crit chance but only at high peril on a T4 blessing would be ass, but this is Fatshark we're talking about here

I haven't skimmed the code myself to confirm how it works or anything

[regal musk]

Dunno if its even working tbh. Just primaried a Crusher to death and got like .. 4 crits total

[idle bay]

So far best crit source for siblings - is melee weapon with Shred 🙂

[regal musk]

Probably cos its the only one that works like it should 😛

[idle bay]

Warp nexus = redlining peril and with input bugs = blowing up often

[manic needle]

Gameslantern and Darkmass both seem to think it does X% per stack at each increment of peril

Again not a fantastic source but thats explains the common perception

[floral solstice]

they might "fix" shred to give only melee crit chance at some point tho who knows

[idle bay]

Shred is not supposed to provide that bonus to the ranged weapon when you get max stacks and switch from melee to ranged 🙂

[regal musk]

No i just mean providiing crit at all XD

[steel vapor]

Thoughts?

if mobility is a dumpstat, the left one is pretty much god tier no?

[idle bay]

Why deuling swaord at all, when there are Antox MK V axe exists

[golden tartan]

Why antox when u can Taxe

😛

Dueling is fine tbh

Infinite dodges

[steel vapor]

i have that allready, now i want a duelling sword

[floral solstice]

or we could just let him use what he wants

if i have mats i'd consecrate the left one

[golden tartan]

Yea left one is solid

But it comes down to perks and blessin

[steel vapor]

true

man imagine if we could like

change those haha

[idle bay]

Something with attack pattern of that axe is wrong for me. So there is only Antox for me 🙂

[steel vapor]

i feel like you want something with decent cleave as a psyker

its usually not the big guys that get you, its more often the poxwalkers nibbling at your side and arse

[idle bay]

Axe with Brutal Momentum covers that base - with cleave and horde extermination

[steel vapor]

i suppose that is true

[idle bay]

as well as killing everything else...

Very universal weapon. Yes not as great as anti-horde weapons but good enough for it's universality

[regal musk]

2 Beasts of Nurgle at the same time in a small corridor >_>

[steel vapor]

never had that happen damn, didnt even know they could spawn at the same time

sounds like a thrilling experience tho ^^

[golden tartan]

Tbh the 2 is just heavy spam xD

[idle bay]

Ah that's why i did not like it - i don't like to hold LMB, i like just to click it 😉

[floral solstice]

this was on damnation and it came with a horde + a bunch of dreg shooters and other elites/dogs/etc

[mental locust]

Yo same

[regal musk]

We were holding 2 Grims as well. Whole team had 3 HP lol

[regal musk]

Barrage is such a nice QoL thing to have IMO

[cyan notch]

suggz

[regal musk]

ALmost feels like it shoul dbe a built in effect for Staves tbh

[cyan notch]

it is built in lol

[regal musk]

Sure .. When you have the blessing 😛

[ornate hamlet]

[regal musk]

Im meaning just a general bojnus effect for all staves

[ornate hamlet]

Purge literally has AoE suppression when shooting

And the AoE isn't that big, so its really only if you're in close range

[manic needle]

Cant remember which stat governs the AoE suppression on purg but Im checking in a sec

[ornate hamlet]

Which most staffs that aren't purge aren't really for.

[regal musk]

Sure. In your direction of fire. But Barrage will suppress stuff behind you 😛

[ornate hamlet]

Cloud Radius iirc

Presumably it works from your point of fire

[crude talon]

prolly cloud

[ornate hamlet]

And in a radius

So you already have a radius suppression

[regal musk]

As far as i can tell, the suppression radius centers on the thing you killed

[blissful viper]

I thought Achlys axe was best :( Tho noticed the 1st heavy doesn't do the crowd stagger it claims to do..?

[crude talon]

I think its a bug

[ornate hamlet]

If that's the case then its actually worse though.

[crude talon]

surprise

[ornate hamlet]

Unless your purge suppression is on you only

Anyway

Flames are OP

[manic needle]

Yep, wasnt positive but a quick inspect confirms

[crude talon]

true.

[ornate hamlet]

Though suppression is also

Weird

Sometimes it can be nice

But if someone shot at a dreg stalker

Once

Its immune for 3.5s

[crude talon]

Am I retarded? wait, I think i am. I need to go to sleep. I was curious about something to do with the brain burst you get from just attacking but I think im dumb

I was wondering if it scales on the weapons damage because i was bored

but i think the higher numbers I was seeing was just the BB and the weapon attack together.

[ornate hamlet]

It should scale with perk for +damage yes

Since that's just a thing that is on you

[crude talon]

ah makes sense

[ornate hamlet]

It scales with other buffs if they linger too

So you can actually one-shot all specials and elites (except ogryns and mutant) on Damnation with the right set-up

With normal BB

[crude talon]

very cool. I like hitting them with FS charge attack lol

[steel vapor]

damn, they even made the UI adapt to it - so its apparently something they thought of as well

[cyan notch]

ive had a slug which followed me all the way to the assassination boss

wonder what happens if u kite 2 monsters to assassination boss

[ornate hamlet]

Hi5 almost always spawns 2 bosses

So they definitely did it intentionally

I imagine the devs or QA played through Hi5 and tried/had to run from a boss

And another spawned

And they went

[regal musk]

lmao, I love watching living mobs despawn right in front of me

This Ai is borked to hell lol

[vagrant cedar]

at 05?

[regal musk]

Naw tthat was a T4

[vagrant cedar]

T4?

[regal musk]

Oh, sorry, thouht you meant difficulty

[vagrant cedar]

no no i meant the timer

0:05?

[regal musk]

From 10~ seconds in, watch the mob on the left of me

If there was another that despawned .. it wouldnt surprise me

SHould have trimmed it closer, sorry

[ornate hamlet]

Hmm.

Isn't it possible your flames are hitting it but it just isn't playing the animation

But it could also be that it is in an area it can't path from

[vagrant cedar]

it's the same mob at 0:14

[regal musk]

Shouldnt be, its just a normal part of the terrain t here

[vagrant cedar]

he was tracking zealot

or w/e it is

[ornate hamlet]

Nah

[vagrant cedar]

then he done his animation

[ornate hamlet]

There's lots of "normal parts"

Where enemies can't go

You can't rely on what you see tbh

[vagrant cedar]

but it's the same mob

at 0:11 and 0:14

pipe mob

[ornate hamlet]

Enemies can't move through certain places even if there's a lot of room

And when enemies can't path they despawn

[vagrant cedar]

i think he done his dance

[ornate hamlet]

So its probably just bad pathfinding

[vagrant cedar]

like sometimes they just stand there and taunt

[regal musk]

Eh. Well what got me was that it got ragdolled there from the Ogryn, stood and vanished

[ornate hamlet]

There's the part where you walk through a vault door for one mission

After descending the hell staircase

And enemies can't path through the vault door

If you go through everything outside will run to a despawn location

And respawn inside

[vagrant cedar]

he's still there

[ornate hamlet]

And vice versa

[vagrant cedar]

he does his taunt animation for 3

you see him at 0:14

pipe mob

boom

i saw these mobs many times where they didn't attack but taunt me

[vagrant cedar]

idk

the left side?

[regal musk]

IM not worried too much about the one from behind. It was the guy on the left who vanishes

[vagrant cedar]

oh

lemme look

[ornate hamlet]

Yeah he stands up

Goes

https://tenor.com/view/ドロン-忍法-パッと消える-poof-disappear-gif-15682669

Which is likely it being unable to path from that place

For some reason

[vagrant cedar]

i didn't even pay attention to him

[vagrant cedar]

he probably got knockedback

and he got stuck in the door

[ornate hamlet]

Yeah

Its just funny that such a thing can happen

[vagrant cedar]

i think his foot got stuck

well, it's one less mob to worry about

win win

[regal musk]

Watching it back in slow motion, he vanishes at the precise moment my left hand passed over him for the charge attack finishing animation

So it almost looks like i waved him out of existence XD

[ornate hamlet]

Psyker moves

Its like lifting your axe over your head to do more DoT with soulblaze

https://tenor.com/view/think-smart-gif-22411928

[regal musk]

Warp spaghetti, nothing to see here

[idle bay]

Hit registration is so bad in last few days.
Vet in Meat Grinder - one shot body shot everything non-elite
Vet in actual mission - 2-3-4 shot to kill basic dreg in the head - because kark the hit registration

Going back to my psyker to save 2 remaining functioning brain cells

[west galleon]

Yesterday was a bad day to play my psyker, out of 3 runs only one succeeded.
People kept dying around me, then i'd have to deal with swarms and specials and when i needed to quell and was slow i had sticky enemies on my back that slowed me down again

[regal musk]

It do be like that sometimes. My day went about as well lol

Today was much more successful XD

Though not without its idiot moments ... Like watching a veteren stroll past multiple shotgunners completely oblivious to thier presence right in front of him.
Or the Zealot who dove headfirst into a pack of poxwalkers ... Witrhout noticing the 3 Reapers and half dozen Ragers he walked past to get to them

[west galleon]

The only thing that i really dislike are the sticky enemies that spawn on your back. The rest i can deal with by dodge spamming but that shit is so annoying

[idle bay]

Yeah... long line of slowly approaching poxwalkers that seems to be endless.
I just move ahead facing backwards (doing back dodges) and kill them all with LMB blasts from the staff.

[vagrant cedar]

do a 360 once in a while

[idle bay]

Alternative is not to be the back of squad - let the other squad mate to take that pressure 🙂

[vagrant cedar]

dude it shouldn't be an issue for you to deal with couple mobs once every 30-60s

you shouldn't classify it as "pressure"

otherwise you're the weak link of your team

[cyan notch]

ive seen enemies disappear too

not too uncommon

[still hearth]

2-3 ragers though

That's a fiesta

[vagrant cedar]

sure, 2-3 ragers would be a tougher thing but from my personal experience in damnation, i can't even recall that ever happening

unless it's mid wave

and yougot mobs spawning from all directions

so the "rear" is not actually a rear

[still hearth]

Ragers also don't spawn afaik, they're prespawned enemies but sometimes they get behind you

[west galleon]

Seeing as i am usually the last one alive, im going to pretend that its the other 3 that suck

[still hearth]

But yeah, it's obviously only during hordes that most enemies are remotely a theat

[west galleon]

And i dont feel like rushing myself just to compensate 3 single brained players that cant look around them

[vagrant cedar]

it seriously surprises me how people complain about 2-5 crappy mobs spawn from behind as it's a huge threat

[west galleon]

You moron

You trog

You absolute drawback to the human genome

I feel sorry to the people that need to deal with you irl

[vagrant cedar]

are you having a stroke or something

[west galleon]

I figured out that you need to get your head examined while i thought that you're just not aware of what we're talking about.
It appears i cant fault that defunct brain of yours for not working

[west galleon]

That would be like yelling at the blind guy for passing a stop sign

[ornate hamlet]

This is how Psykr die

You might ask "where team?"

But there is no team

[vagrant cedar]

what's the blue stuff

[ornate hamlet]

Flame staff

[vagrant cedar]

fair enough lol

[ornate hamlet]

This is why you 360 spin with Purge

Beyblade of fire and death

[vagrant cedar]

well

you'd only put 1-2 stacks if you did a beyblade of death

[ornate hamlet]

You're not spinning fast enough

https://tenor.com/view/xqc-spin-gif-21121522

[vagrant cedar]

how big is your sensitivity

360 in half an inch

[ornate hamlet]

I've actually never tried it but I'm pretty sure if you could reliably spin 360 degrees fast enough

It applies the stacks

[vagrant cedar]

well, seeing how you can apply a stack every 0.3 seconds

you'd "puff" probably randomly in only 1 direction wit hit

i doubt it would work

great concept tho

[ornate hamlet]

If you do a single flame burst

ANd throw your mouse around

It hits everything that you manage to move your mouse over

So idk how that works if you keep flaming

[vagrant cedar]

wait

[ornate hamlet]

spinning is bad unless you're actually being surrounded, in which case you need to be dodging

[vagrant cedar]

isn't 0.3 the cool down tho

how fast you can apply another stack

[ornate hamlet]

it's far more effective to kite to clump them up and aoe them

[vagrant cedar]

it might actually work if that's the case

[ornate hamlet]

But if you use flamer and spin around in the middle of the Psykarnum you can kill everything pretty quickly.

Effective? Yes.

But its cooler to crouch and let it rip

sometimes crouching helps you aoe more at a time yes

but you need to be moving if you're being surrounded, not spinning

https://tenor.com/view/bey-blade-gif-5082072

go to meat grinder and compare

(this is damnation difficulty)

after further testing comparing MK II to MK V, i still prefer MK II because it's approx 12% faster attack speed, much higher damage on crits, and when you understand how to reliably weakspot hit with it, which admittedly feels wrong compared to MK V, it's actually a better wep

the cleave with MK V actually makes it harder to know your swings killed the enemy you wanted to kill compared to MK II as well

MK II has better control, the downward heavy attack just needs to be aimed significantly higher than MK V and you need to be closer

for the weakspot hitbox

Mk 2 is Achlys?

1 sec i'll login

see, it took me forever to finally find a good MK V combat axe

i was using a MK II combat axe for quite a while, after finally getting a good MK V, i actually like the MK II more

MK V usually has higher base damage, by approx 5%, but MK II swings approx 12% faster depending on rolls

Antax is the one with diagoal/horizontal light attacks

[vagrant cedar]

show stats

[ornate hamlet]

Achlys is horizontal heavy 1

Then overheads

[ornate hamlet]

you can see the damage on bullwark in damnation in the vid i just posted, but yeah i'm logging in

[vagrant cedar]

i never tried tbh melee from that angle

i usually test it vs the charger

[ornate hamlet]

that's how you get headshots

[vagrant cedar]

or maniac

yeah but to headshot the orgre like that

safely from a side

[ornate hamlet]

orange numbers are weakspot hits, yellow numbers are crits

[vagrant cedar]

aint gonna happen in the whole chaos

[ornate hamlet]

i do it fairly often actually, especially if there's a shield ogryn being a shield ogryn lol

[vagrant cedar]

239 😮

[ornate hamlet]

Rashad

[vagrant cedar]

i might be mistaken but the highest one i've seen was 228

[ornate hamlet]

the reason the damage seems low is because it didn't roll fantastic on first target, but the finesse makes up for it, it's better than MK V if you know how to use it properly for weakspots, which takes more practice than MK V , the MK V feels more natural, but it's slow

[vagrant cedar]

can you show V

and tab

the dmg table for light attacks

[ornate hamlet]

You can't hit weakspots on Rashad without awkward angles

[ornate hamlet]

it's not about angle, you simply aim higher, the downward slice will hit

[vagrant cedar]

oh wait, that is a low dmg axe

[ornate hamlet]

Here's the thing

It wont

If their body is in the swing

You do torso damage

i bet you're low height character

max height psyker doesn't have the issue as badly

"As badly"

they reach further and they can downward slice heads easier

[vagrant cedar]

but then you can't use cover from shooters

[ornate hamlet]

Look Rashad is good even without WS tbh

People definitely underestimate it

But I don't see hitting WS in game to be reliable

it's worth it for finesse

In practice its horrendous against certain foes

trading cleave for finesse is a no brainer on psyker, it kills faster when you know how to use it reliably

[vagrant cedar]

nahhh the chance of landing a headshot from that angle is slim

i hit his arm most of the time

and he's standing still

maybe with maxed height yeah

[ornate hamlet]

each their own, but i expected i'd be switching to MK V when i found a good roll, and i feel so slow with it, i went right back to MK II

and the cleave is awful how it moves enemies

it's like giving them a free sidestep

[austere estuary]

two pretty good stat lines

[ornate hamlet]

it also builds decimator rather quickly if you start on monstrousity with a couple of quick light attack combos before you spam heavies

[vagrant cedar]

i use this baby

chop chop chop

[ornate hamlet]

that's very good roll

i prefer +25% on unyielding personally

[vagrant cedar]

they usually die from 1 hit either way

[ornate hamlet]

specialists and elites are a non issue, sometimes group DPS on monstroucity is fail when you have to carry pugs

[vagrant cedar]

no need for extra damage to them

[ornate hamlet]

bosses are unyielding i'm told, so

[vagrant cedar]

once you get the power from blessings stack up

ez pz

[austere estuary]

if only we could have them in the psykarium

[ornate hamlet]

yes i'll take +25% damage anyday, it synergizes with the +power from the blessings for an exponential boost not just an additive one

same with the +8% melee damage to elites

[vagrant cedar]

i'm a bit worried about the +8 to elites

there's not enough info on what Elite is

[austere estuary]

I wish this had good stats

[ornate hamlet]

it has a multiplicative effect, so if you're fully powered up with all of your blessings and your psyker buffs, the +damage is a multiplicative effect not just additive i believe

Elites are the big enemies that aren't around the sniper

[austere estuary]

cause the blessings are pretty funny together

[ornate hamlet]

headtaker and decimator together are very strong yes, i don't know if it's best in slot, but they're both great

[austere estuary]

and even with its terrible stats it does eat things up

[vagrant cedar]

see, i could swear some said it's the maniacs chargers as well

otherwise the +8% to elites on melee is kinda shit

it's more for ranged ammo weapons

[ornate hamlet]

the game makes a different sound effect when you kill a specialist compared to when you kill an elite

Specialists all spawn with a sound cue

[austere estuary]

gunners, shotgunners, ragers, ogryns, maulers iirc

[ornate hamlet]

Elites are prespawned

that too

[austere estuary]

are all elites

I had thought shotgunners and gunners would be specialists but

🤷

[ornate hamlet]

that's why it always seems like theres so many of them when you're in a good group and moving quickly

[austere estuary]

I guess shooting guns isn't that specialised

[ornate hamlet]

The issue is

Some feats say

"Elites"

But it means both Elites and Specials

[shadow onyx]

carryme

[ornate hamlet]

well, tell you what is most certainly shit.

• damage to poxburster on an axe

[austere estuary]

I'm not so sure it does - the explode yourself one for example, I don' think that works on trappers etc

but does on gunner/shotgunner?

[ornate hamlet]

I believe that one is bugged

[austere estuary]

Personally I did it on 3 ragers

[shadow onyx]

yep, i did it solo on comms plex first event

[ornate hamlet]

i stopped caring about penance for cosmetics when they added cosmetics to shop(s)
i got my red hood, but like.. what do i care about same thing in black when i can get better looking stuff

Trappers aren't elites though

i could care less about portraits too

[shadow onyx]

you have a near infinite spawn here where couple of sniper + shotgunners come

just peril and wait

[austere estuary]

I like earnable portraits and cosmetics

buyables have to be REALLY good for me to be interested

[ornate hamlet]

i like actual content, not fluff

[austere estuary]

okay

[shadow onyx]

depend of the class imo, zealot have good cash shop skin but vets and psyker are kinda meh imo

[ornate hamlet]

i'm perfectly happy with this

[vagrant cedar]

wait wait wait

[austere estuary]

I like the goggles

[shadow onyx]

i have the normie black version and its perfectly fine

[ornate hamlet]

there's "swunk" and then there's "swank"

the different sound is from elite versus specialist

[vagrant cedar]

i can't tell

[austere estuary]

wow, melk offering some kinda decent items today

[ornate hamlet]

pay attention in game next mission you run

you'll notice

[placid sorrel]

guys guys, what if instead of exploding, we spawned a daemon

[austere estuary]

but I haven't had time to do weeklies for last two weeks now :<

[shadow onyx]

i cant pay attention because of the voices at max peril

[ornate hamlet]

i dunno what to say about that, get a better staff i guess?

do you use trauma lol

[steel vapor]

Same with me, one should not be held up to these unrealistic body standards

[vagrant cedar]

i'm killing them in the arena, but the sound is 99% the same

[shadow onyx]

i use purgatus, but its actualy bb which raise my peril

[ornate hamlet]

i've played with you in game randomly btw

[austere estuary]

is pretty neat

[steel vapor]

i bet you got distracted by my beauty

[steel vapor]

man some people got very bright yellow settings, how is that?

[shadow onyx]

[ornate hamlet]

that was the funniest vet i've seen thus far

[shadow onyx]

it should be better if he was a zealot

[ornate hamlet]

he was pretty good too

[steel vapor]

imitation is the best form of flattery

[austere estuary]

it's not actually looking like that

[vagrant cedar]

Nvidia filters to make the game brighter

[austere estuary]

it's because HDR and screen clip

[steel vapor]

fair

[austere estuary]

nothing to do with filters

[vagrant cedar]

oh, mine is filters i think

[vagrant furnace]

now this is a psyker

[austere estuary]

if I want tonemapped screenshot, I need to use either gfe or the windows+alt+prtscrn and then share that file

but when it's just the one thing to share that's too much effort

[shadow onyx]

sad we cant check more accurately cash shop item, in the shop it look meh but in this screen the torso look cool

[austere estuary]

I wonder if we'll ever be able to get long coats

so we can look like the poor bastard psyker models

these guys are such a mood

[ornate hamlet]

So testing on Ogryn which has a feat that supposedly actually only works on Elites

In Psykarnum all enemies are elites except horde mobs and the ones around sniper.

[austere estuary]

yeah ogryn feats

[ornate hamlet]

The issue is that certain things are

[austere estuary]

and frankly many special effects

vs their tooltips

[ornate hamlet]

Not doing what they say

[austere estuary]

are a bit all over the shop

[ornate hamlet]

I think Psyker +10% damage aura works on elites and specials?

[steel vapor]

thats just like the veteran Krieg outfit, but with extra psyker bling, no?

[austere estuary]

well we have a one like it but without the long coat

imo it's meant to be it but ehhh

I closed the game so can't screenshot

it even has the blue pants

[steel vapor]

i mean without the coat there is not much left is there ahah

[austere estuary]

and green tasset thing

it has the upper part I mean

of the coat

[steel vapor]

fair

[austere estuary]

just goes to the waist

[keen meteor]

I was really sad the first psyker cosmetic wasn’t long like that.

[steel vapor]

maybe i need this to be my profile picture for this server

[ornate hamlet]

when you've been surfing 100% for too long

[steel vapor]

voilla

behold

[austere estuary]

beautiful

[steel vapor]

ahh yes, the green

[austere estuary]

I can see foreeeveeerrr

[fierce mural]

dont talk to me or my son ever again

[jagged badger]

Siblings, should I roll Elites to Flak?

[floral solstice]

flak should be good

i think crit and weakspot too because ideally you're headshotting stuff?

[austere estuary]

GL on the second blessing as well

That’s a nice void

[hardy coral]

dont mind the staff on the right its a temp for a penance i need. is the one on the left worth it or no?

[floral solstice]

yeah the stats look alright

[idle bay]

It's this dude up close

[ornate hamlet]

hm.//

a 371 roll, i wonder if MK VIII is good

[manic needle]

Eh not really fantastic

[ornate hamlet]

i might like this axe tho

it's finesse

[manic needle]

Might as well give it a shot at 371

Its not like you have to save dockets for anything important

[ornate hamlet]

i don't like these wide attacks tho

that alone kinda .. is just yuck.. but i supposed i'll work on upgrading it later maybe

[floral solstice]

that's why i've never bothered with achlys

[manic needle]

That vanguard attack doesnt even have cleave, its weird

[floral solstice]

hmm this turned out okay-ish, upgraded it from blue

gonna run with this for a couple of runs just for a change

[ornate hamlet]

i love the stats on Mk VIII but this 1st heavy attack in the chain is dogshit

i'm using reshade for post processing sharpness, i'm liking it

entering meat grinder crashed the game, servers taking a shit again

can't even create an instance for me

[strange wigeon]

also keep in mind that attacks on it have torso priority in the code so you'll often miss weakspots even when you should have hit the head, very annoying when playing

[ornate hamlet]

same with MK II then, which is the axe i prefer anyway

[strange wigeon]

oh no I thought it was rashad, my bad

don't have much experience with Achyls, shop never gave me a good one

[ornate hamlet]

well i got an amazing roll on it but this 1st heavy attack in the combo concerns me, trying it meat grinder right now

371 on base stats is fantastic

you don't see that often

and of all the stats to be lacking, i'd prefer pen

so it's .. really good roll, just the wrong archtype

you know what

i can use this np

this is actually fine

even the first swing is no issue

i'm used to using MK II so this is ezpz to use

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/RPmjfsf8REAv5/d1337XlfP6Qa?invite=cr-MSxFMlAsMTYwMDY1NDYwLA

[ornate hamlet]

lmao

That's the only way I found to hit WS reliably from the front

https://tenor.com/view/paripi-koumei-eiko-tsukimi-thumbs-up-anime-gif-25479338

It actually works 100% of the time too

But is awkward af

i have no issues with this, i just hope i don't get trash perk and blessing on it

[ornate hamlet]

yep

Yeah Achlys is fine

you can be sort of to the side, but front side as well btw

Rashad is just coded in a way that makes it horrible.

As long as the swing doesn't collide with any other bodypart than the WS

Its fine

But if it does then its a torso/arm hit

it helps to be max height

for all melee weps

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/RPeIKLoQuZ9zb/d1337ASK01px?invite=cr-MSxjSHMsMTYwMDY1NDYwLA

[ornate hamlet]

no no, it's not where you're aiming that's important lol

the important part is making sure that it connects on the downward half of the swing not the beginning of the swing

it's almost like, the hitbox of your swing is creating a downward V shape

That's like 20% of the screen

Which is why the first video is 100% hitrate

so it's more centered where you're aiming in the latter parts of the frames of the swing if you know what i mean

which means, aim higher

but yeah

But I lowered my camera some and it'll hit torso instead

[ornate hamlet]

correct, that's the problem with it

it's downward swing hitbox is like a V shape

or a cone actually

I mean yeah its just "don't get the body in the swing" and it hits WS perfectly

a 3d upside down cone shape

like a V

You can hit at the start of the swing and it wont count it as a WS btw

[ornate hamlet]

that's what i'm literally trying to tell you lol

[blissful viper]

That's what I was saying earlier!:D But I swear it does NOT hit more than 1 enemy despite the animation??

[ornate hamlet]

you want to connect with the latter part of the swing animation, which means aim above the target, or swing right before you're in range so that it connects once you're in range, stuff like that

anyway, yeah it's just hard to use

Well, yes. But the actual situation is

statistically it's a better axe, if you can land the weakspot hits

If the swing can hit the body at any point it'll be a bodyshot.

Even at the last part of the swing

But effectively the result is the same

[blissful viper]

Daym I didn't think of that lol glad I out all mine on max bc it didn't feel too tall

[ornate hamlet]

anyway, i'm thinking MK VIII is actually potentially better statistically than MK II if you get a good roll on it

Short Zealots need to jump to headshot Ogryn 😆

MK VIII might be my new fav

I wish I had an Achlys with BM

easy to connect weakspot, and it has superior stats too

[blissful viper]

My Achlys has crit bonus chance so it feels like a beast, tho I've not tried 4th difficulty

[ornate hamlet]

i don't know why people actually like the cleave on MK V

They don't

finesse = significantly faster melee attack speed

The Mk V just has the best attacks for cleave

But people are delusional

The axes do miniscule cleave damage

You'll 1-shot one and do like 10% of the HP of a poxwalker with cleave

correct, and it moves enemies in an unpredictable way often

so you lose track of em and they ninja slap you from the side and shit

The shove attack does better cleave distribution but it also has a hard cap on 3 targets

[blissful viper]

The Achlys always has more dmg than other axes afaik- that's why I initially used the lucky roll I got, then saw the Heavy 1 Stagger and thought PERFECT

[ornate hamlet]

But people also thought/think that Heavy Sword is bad on Zealot

Because it does low damage

But its the only weapon afaik that has barely any damage loss on cleave

It's like 100%, 90%, 80%, 60%, 40% (infinitely)

So you actually have barely any overkill loss

Which axes have a ton of

[steel vapor]

i mean, all of the above is true - until you get brutal momentum

[ornate hamlet]

not happy with thunderous

but i guess it's ok

[steel vapor]

suddenly you are 1-shotting 4-5 poxxers a swing

[ornate hamlet]

You can apply Thunderous with soublaze DoT

[blissful viper]

Mmmh interesting.
I tried equipping sword for horde

• boltgun for elites, but just went back to flamer + axe to one-hit weakspot/crit all the tough/armor enemies

[ornate hamlet]

how

Apply DoT

Swap to melee

Each tick counts as a hit

Its the same for all on Hit blessings afaik.

that's how i play anyway

i cc then axe then cc then axe anyway so

You can see it clearly in Psykarnum on Crusher

Just burn it a bit then swap to axe

It should take more damage

that's how i deal with zerkers n stuff anyway

I also think Thunderous doesn't scale the limit with Tiers

You can only apply 4 or 8 stacks iirc

slap em with purg light attack slap em with 2 axe light attacks (or 1 heavy), then re-cc with light attack from purg repeat

So even a T1 blessing will apply max stacks eventually

• it helps everyone's dps not just yours right?

it's a debuff

Technically.

But if their weapon does over 100% damage to the armor

Then they actually do less damage

https://tenor.com/view/wheeze-wheeze-laugh-nikkal-kundhal-nikkalkundhal-gif-23223780

You can get less damage to certain types with Rending/Brittleness

The systems in this game

that's because pen stat gives a dps buff

it's how their stupid damage calculations work

They literally just need to do an if statement

if (damage after rending/brittleness < damage before rending/brittleness)

even with only 52% pen, it's over 100 btw on flak

it'll help on carapace tho

Yeah, luckily you probably one-shot most flak anyway

So it only suffers slightly against scab ragers prob

Though at those numbers

You'll do the same damage

Effectively

they're stupid ez to deal with using purg staff anyway

purg light attack, drop them with any axe

same with dogs

same with a lot of enemies really

by the time your flames hit them you're already swinging the axe at a staggering target

particularly with finesse axes, which are significantly faster

Inb4 Achlys has slower attacks than the other axes without the ATS boost

i just tested it, it feels just as fast as MK II so far

the 1st heavy attack is just a little different, i actually like it tho

it's intuitive feeling, connects how you want it to

Achlys Heavy 1 is great

Though for some reason it doesn't reset to Heavy 1 iirc

So it goes Heavy 1 > Heavy 2 > Heavy 3 > Heavy 2

[ornate hamlet]

i like that tho

If you QQ fast or macro it then yeah

It feels very nice

And you can skip the Heavy 1 with a Light 1

To do overheads

[noble mason]

whats the dump stat on a surge staff

[ornate hamlet]

warp resist

[noble mason]

dope ty

[ornate hamlet]

honestly, particularly if you run

i have higher peril resist because more stacks, and purging peril to gain toughness with F because of quietitude is actually nice

when other ppl told me they liked it i was shocked, but when i got used to it i like it too

[noble mason]

i think with surge its really good

i just dont use surge much

tryna get a staff to try it out with

[ornate hamlet]

most ppl would probably tell you to use something more like this, but i am a selfish psycher.
i want being in coherency to give me more dps stacks, not reduce their special ability cooldown so they can fucking charge AWAY from me and cause me to lose coherency

[floral solstice]

i dont think anyone will tell you to run the quell movespeed feat tbh

[cyan notch]

most people will tell you to use psychic communion and kinetic deflection

[floral solstice]

for what staff are those feat for anyway

surge?

[noble mason]

i think so? no idea

i run diff with purge i dont use the surge staff much

[ornate hamlet]

the bottom line is what difficulty you're doing

[floral solstice]

idk man i just run 322133 on surge and call it a day

[ornate hamlet]

between purg, void and surge, they shine differently in other difficulty

[vagrant cedar]

322112 for purge

[ornate hamlet]

imo void is best for 1 or 2, if you have a great roll on one
it's really terrible if it's not a high stat void
purg is great for everything until damnation, at which point i think surge outshines the other, but purg is still viable

[cyan notch]

definitely a hot take

[noble mason]

i find purg to be fine in damnation.

[ornate hamlet]

if all i did was run damnation all the time, i'd probably just use surge

it's very group oriented

purg is strong in group and when split

void is trash on anything where enemies don't just fall over imo

[floral solstice]

not just fine, purge is easily one of the best in t5

[ornate hamlet]

Implying that helps to keep allies close

[ornate hamlet]

yeah i said it's viable

Zealots will always run away whenever possible.

i just consider surg better for damnation, if your group is pretty good at sticking together

if you have 2 psykers, you should use one of each, one surg one purg

Why run surge when you can run XII and kill things yourself

I'm disappointed in you, Sibling.

[ornate hamlet]

that's usually what i do btw

Then I approve.

Tbh is you run Force Sword + XII

You can already knock over crushers

Which is the only enemy XII can't really handle

i used surg a lot, it's basically just purg with much better CC, much worse DPS, and a bit more peril generation to keep track of

my biggest issue with surg is that it's kinda shit on hordes

You mean surge?

[cyan notch]

defintely another hot take

[ornate hamlet]

oops i meant surge yes

it's good at contributing against horde, but not solo against horde

purg can just solo horde easily, and do much better dps in general, but it's a tradeoff, you lose the OP CC that surg offers to your group

the thing about surg is that you can CC groups of RANGED enemies too

much better than purg can

and your vets will thank you for this

they can just pop heads instead of havng to use cover as much

[cyan notch]

purg can 6 stack delete ranged enemies

[ornate hamlet]

Purge: Anti-horde, horde CC
Surge: Anti-armor, CC
XII: Anti-elites and specials
Voidstrike: Anti-horde
Trauma: Choke-point specialist
Autopistol/Laspistol: Speed

[ornate hamlet]

yes, but it's not as long range as surg is my point

and it doesn't do it instantly

Tbh after playing this game a lot

The CC of surge isn't that valuable with good team mates

And with bad team mates you spend so much time just stunning things to save your allies

i am just trying to emphasize that where Surge actually shines, is in damnation, it's pretty shitty otherwise, i'd always use Purge instead

and void just sux unless it's difficulty 1 or 2

imo

and trauma is a meme

[cyan notch]

a lot of wave defense midsections and finales with surge u kinda just are doing melee

[ornate hamlet]

Void and Trauma are both pretty bad. You basically need your entire team to play around Trauma and Void is just not great overall.

[wet jacinth]

I have yet to see a good surge staff.

[ornate hamlet]

Most of the time with surge you're doing melee or primary spam

If you want to actually help

[mortal pendant]

what u smokin on bruh

[cyan notch]

void is fine

[ornate hamlet]

surge is basically the most circumstantially useful staff
it's pretty good in higher difficulties with conditions
being, is your group working together well? sticking together? then it's good
if not, use purg instead

[mortal pendant]

secondary wipes flak armored enemies

[ornate hamlet]

If your group working well together then you don't need surge imo.

Purge covers horde clear so a good group can then have 3 people focus the real threats

[grim magnet]

i just started playing psyker, i'm about level 6, when does the class actually get good?

[round moth]

30

[grim magnet]

it feels like a massive downgrade from veteran

[ornate hamlet]

they don't need a psyker either btw

[cloud heron]

Did you say this backwards? Because I feel like it's the opposite. Surge is better when your team is worse

[ornate hamlet]

Every class is a downgrade from Veteran.

Veteran is basically the most overtuned of all the classes.

[summer prairie]

surge actually lets you deal with anything solo

with proper melee

[ornate hamlet]

that's not true honestly