psyker-class

[lethal folio]

Comms plex mid event.

[near wyvern]

So many gunners

And beg for team

[gilded cloud]

Really? I starting channeling BB at 90% with RMB and held it for maybe 5-10 seconds? When I let go, it killed me

[bold flint]

im talking about line of sight

[near wyvern]

Yeah RMB will get you killed at higher percentages than LMB

[gilded cloud]

I did not know... You could ult out of the explosion. Fuck... I'll do that from now on

[bold flint]

you can start it up with right click, aquire your target with left click (hold it)

[near wyvern]

Just read the manual 👍

[bold flint]

and if youre still channeling you wont blow up and you dont need LOS

[gilded cloud]

How does RMB do that? I thought only left locked in the target. Cause RMB can easily switch targets

[wheat quartz]

charge up behind the wall
peek, pop
get back behind the wall

[gilded cloud]

I'll have to try again then and see and I'll read the thing. Thanks!

[bold flint]

you hold left click and it behaves like a left click

[near wyvern]

When you press LMB while holding RMB you will lock in even if the cast is not ready yet

[bold flint]

just without the quick charge time

[olive ember]

Not sure if it’s the point or not but maybe link some example builds (one for each staff?) cuz for a casual viewer it’s just a bunch of numbers

[gilded cloud]

Oh okay, so charge with right and when you see the right target then hold lmb while still holding RMB?

[olive ember]

That’s just my take tho

[near wyvern]

It's not for casual reader

Might do a separate guide with actual build guides

[olive ember]

Fair enough

[near wyvern]

Says in the description

[gilded cloud]

Yeah I think a good breakdown of dump stats and priority stats for each stave pinned here would be nice

In this discord I mean. Since so many ask, including myself

[brittle crest]

i know for most staves, warp res is a dump stat.. but do you all feel that there is a comfortable minimum to look for still?

[olive ember]

More importantly the numbers don’t really give any practical implications tbh

[gilded cloud]

I thought warp res was good. But is the effect very small?

[olive ember]

Like the description for force weapon is nice but it doesn’t mention it’s complete dog

[slow karma]

Depends on the staff

Like surge staves are peril heavy

[near wyvern]

Warp resist is good with surge, void and trauma. Don't use trauma.

[brittle crest]

honestly i'm unsure, i think my staff is like 40% warp res maybe less and i have to think about managing my peril a LOT (surg staff)

[olive ember]

To be fair you would prob run resist on purge as well

[near wyvern]

Purge doesn't need warp resist really because it's an anti horde weapon. However, with good warp resist and quell speed you can LMB quell a little and repeat and you can keep things staggered while you quell.

[gilded cloud]

Yeah, I thought so except for purge.

[olive ember]

the problem is that the alternatives are trash

Wrack and ruin is just bad in general

And force weapon+ is like maybe 2 extra direct damage and doesn’t apply to dots

Warp resist would just be better overall imo

[near wyvern]

Yeah you always run warp resist feat with purge

Which brings a lot of warp resist

And in the middle of a horde you get a lot of battle meditation procs

[fierce sinew]

at 6 charges you go even or even negative peril frequently

on dense enough horde

[wheat quartz]

yeah, it has self-sustaining peril maintenance with enough targets

[near wyvern]

I run 122132 with purge and when it's a horde with elites I can just eat the whole wave without manually quelling as long as it's not bulwarks and crushers

[wheat quartz]

yup

[olive ember]

Is KF needed on purge?

[fierce sinew]

definitely not

[near wyvern]

No but you use it if you go psycinetic aura instead of psychic communion

For spamming ults

[olive ember]

Ah fair

[near wyvern]

Helps to get stacks up faster cause when you have elites coming your way you will have ult back in no time

[olive ember]

Tbh I haven’t touched game in like 3 weeks now but it’s fun to sit in psyker chat kek

[fierce sinew]

communion warp battery AB is the probably the most common purge setup

[near wyvern]

Well it's very simple

Just flame away

[wheat quartz]

it's simple, it works, the Emperor protects

[fierce sinew]

it's braindead and effective

also 6 charge shout good shooter insurance

[olive ember]

Did anyone ever get any confirmation of the effectiveness of KO

Cuz Ik some people were talking about taking KO over WB

[wheat quartz]

6 charge shout is seriously nice quality of life, I'd be reluctant to give it up

[near wyvern]

I like aura kf more since I can also BB elites if needed and getting 2 ults out per wave is nice

[fierce sinew]

I play with it sometimes, it's more effective than you think but not good enough to pick over warp battery most of the time

[olive ember]

I mean I’m a basic bitch surge staff user so

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[wheat quartz]

Like going from "I can press F to delete all the goddamn dregs in their Napoleonic gunline brick over there" to "They won't die" is pretty big

[fierce sinew]

the practical upshot of KO prioritizing elites is in a mixed horde things tend to die at a more uniform rate

[near wyvern]

You mean ranged won't die. The rest will die the moment they touch purge flames

[wheat quartz]

yeah, ranged

all the poxwalkers don't count, they're just fuel

burn and give me warp charges hahahaha

[near wyvern]

KO is not worth using

[fierce sinew]

I think it's better than KF for purge and only purge

but still worse than battery

[near wyvern]

Nah, aura + KF ult cycling is much better than KO

[fierce sinew]

it's also another way to stack soulblaze over weapon cap, which comes up but not a lot

[near wyvern]

Yeah but 4 stacks on one (random) target is not really that strong. If you had a 4 stack psyker team everyone running AB then maybe it would be worth it for everyone to pick KO as well

[bold flint]

testing right click brainburst channel staggers

[near wyvern]

The stack gen should be up the roof

[fierce sinew]

it is really funny in the multipsyker meme comp

[olive ember]

It used to be better in the closed beta

depression

[long wharf]

very little wasn't better in the closed beta

[olive ember]

It was noticeable for me

[near wyvern]

It's neat when you BB a soulblazed target and then get AB proc as well with KO, cause that's 8 stacks and actually does something

[olive ember]

Stagger at start of charge

[long wharf]

and we're going to have to wait a couple months at least for the crafting system

[olive ember]

Also I’m pretty sure (could be misremembering) but the stagger was stronger

Like screw you pox hounds stronger

In the closed beta

[fierce sinew]

I do wish the way it "prioritized" was explicit

like if it was elite within n meters with the most remaining health

[olive ember]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/10keg9v/a_demonstration_of_what_wrack_and_ruin_kinetic/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

Am I missing something or did this guy just confuse wrack and ruin with AB

And then got offended(?)

[bold flint]

i guess

since WR only applies 2 stacks and hes going off on 6 stacks for some reason

[cyan notch]

overload + wrack = 6

the wrack and ruin probably missed

[bold flint]

oh i see

back to the meat grinder i go

[olive ember]

Doesn’t overload only proc on elites?

Or is it prioritize elites

[bold flint]

the op posted the feat text in the thread

[long wharf]

it's bugged, it only procs on elites right now

[cyan notch]

procs on anything not just elites

[bold flint]

yeah if it actually worked the scab wouldve died in 7 seconds

[olive ember]

Ah it’s bugged g2k

[cyan notch]

its not bugged

[bold flint]

untrue

[fierce sinew]

that's the kind of thing I mean, "prioritized" is less than helpful as a functional descriptor

[long wharf]

well then, let's see what the code does

[olive ember]

Who tf even knows

[fierce sinew]

overload definitely procs on not elites right now

[olive ember]

Something broke one way or another if the guy didn’t die

[long wharf]

the code knows.

[fierce sinew]

you can tell really easily serially brainbursting shooters for example

[cyan notch]

the wrack and ruin probably missed

2m aint a lot and the guy was doing a swing

you can easily see it works

[fierce sinew]

aren't a bunch of collision boxes all kinds of weird during high displacement attacks

dog lunge etc

wrack missing as a result of swinging collision box/whatever relevant hurtbox not being in range is my bet too

[floral solstice]

whoever made wrack and ruin probably tested it on low intensity sedition lol

[long wharf]

interesting

[fierce sinew]

no way they tested it in game at all

I refuse to believe

[floral solstice]

ok thats fair

[manic needle]

Intuitively that seems like more than 3 meters, but Im not complaining

[long wharf]

the wrack and ruin code isn't doing a check for elite/specials around the killed enemy specifically

[cyan notch]

nah thats overload

[manic needle]

Oh okay, my b

[fierce sinew]

overload range is 15? or something

[cyan notch]

yea

[olive ember]

Either way I’m not going insane right

[fierce sinew]

overload actually works, undertuned maybe but functional

[olive ember]

6 stacks kills walkers and other trash right

[fierce sinew]

kills shooters

[manic needle]

Have any of you guys tried a build around overload spam? I mostly assumed it wouldnt be that good, but maybe with Purgatus + Communion + AB it could be viable

[digital narwhal]

Got a 376 base MkV Axe, and now just waiting for Rebless

So I can but BM on it

[olive ember]

It’s one of the three meta purge builds iirc

[fierce sinew]

I play exactly this from time to time for variety

it's okay, just worse than battery most of the time

[long wharf]

yep, I'm not seeing any code that "prioritizes elites/specials"

[olive ember]

But the general consensus is that it’s weaker than warp battery

[manic needle]

So it performs pretty well?

[fierce sinew]

I prefer it to kf

[olive ember]

Well enough

[fierce sinew]

on purge

[bold flint]

it 100% missed

[manic needle]

Does it actually target elites first or is that just false advertisement?

[olive ember]

And if people are clearing damnation in t5 using trauma I’d believe a KO purge would work just fine

It does

There’s debate that it ONLY targets elites but up to debate

[bold flint]

theres no debate

[olive ember]

Something something code something something contradicts real world example idk

[fierce sinew]

it does prioritize them (or seems to), if definitely procs on non elites

[manic needle]

Im going to go back and give Purgatus another shot at some point, once the shop gives me a really good one sometime over the next 3 months

[fierce sinew]

it's very clear from even a minute of using it

[cyan notch]

theres no debate yo

[olive ember]

Alright alright

[cyan notch]

it prioritises elites but if not itll apply to trash

[fierce sinew]

the situation we've all been in where the vet wants to swing his sword so the wall of shooters are your problem and you brain burst them one by one

you will start lighting shooters on fire pinky promise

[olive ember]

Just walk up to the shooters with deflector FS ez

No ranged only melee run

[long wharf]

whoops, I was looking at Wrack and Ruin code

[naive dawn]

I know from some personal testing youc an do in the grinder that overload has a range limit that heavily focuses on elites > specials based on range.

[olive ember]

SMH you betrayed me

I’ll never trust again

[fierce sinew]

wrack and ruin only triggers on elite kill yeah, but that's consistent with the tooltip

[bold flint]

im trustworthy, trust me

[long wharf]

yeah, Wrack and Ruin works as advertised

[olive ember]

The only thing which I wish didn’t work as advertised works

Feelsbad

[manic needle]

At least AB is actually considerably better than the tooltip would suggest

[bold flint]

what does the tooltip suggest

[fierce sinew]

tooltip makes it sound like the fire has to kill

[manic needle]

That an enemy has to die from your soulblaze to have the potential of getting a stack, which isnt true

[bold flint]

oh, they just have to die with it?

[long wharf]

AB would be absolutely worthless if it worked as described in UI

[manic needle]

Any enemy with soulblaze on it that dies for any reason gives everyone with AB the chance for a stack

[bold flint]

that might make soulblaze force swords less shit then

[fierce sinew]

anything that dies with soulblaze on it can proc AB

[floral solstice]

yeah at least some feats are actually better than what its tooltip says

[fierce sinew]

doesn't even need to be yours

[long wharf]

oh lord.

this code is so stupid

it's so fucking amateurish I can't believe it.

so, get this.

[manic needle]

Honestly I just discovered the trick for making FS Soulblaze proc on surge staff. Seems pretty nifty but also a glitch that will be patched soon

[olive ember]

They said that about infinite purge quell

[bold flint]

i wish they patched trauma staff damage soon ™️ text week ™️

[cyan notch]

also kinetic overload doesnt seem to prioritise the nearest trash add so it might be in the video that overload got slapped onto some add behind him and only wrack and ruin was applied to the scab

[long wharf]

the code gets a list of all enemies around the player within talent_settings.offensive_2_2.distance

whatever distance that is

[long wharf]

then it randomly picks a number between 1 and end of list

and it then scans the total list of enemies up to just that number

[fierce sinew]

inclusive?

[olive ember]

Is that… like

[long wharf]

instead of pulling out a list of elites/specials and actually prioritizing them

[rancid spruce]

For shooters, keep in mind that ult applying burning will kill EVERY shooter hit if you have 6 warp charges

[safe pendant]

3 emperor's gifts in a row and they were all lasguns 🥹

[long wharf]

it's randomly selecting a stopping point in the list, and then the first elite/special it hits gets the soulblaze stacks, else the last enemy scanned (at the index randomly selected)

[rancid spruce]

in damnation.

[long wharf]

god fucking damnit, these devs are incompetent

[olive ember]

Isn’t that also rly inefficient

[naive dawn]

And it has a range limit to it I believe.

[olive ember]

That’s like O(n) run time every fucking time it applies right

Or am I being a dumb dumb

[naive dawn]

But yeh you can test it by moving closer / further from any elite in grinder and it doesnt seem to care as long as you are in range of an elite.

[long wharf]

you aren't getting away from O(n) here

that's not the inefficiency

you have to scan for all enemies in range, period

but instead of scanning through that list for elites, it picks a random stopping point in the list

so it's actually not properly prioritizing elites at all

[olive ember]

Wait out of curiosity

[wheat kraken]

i think melk favours my psyker today....

[fierce sinew]

they're only getting prioritized as a stopping point

[olive ember]

Let’s say you have 11 enemies in a list and enemies 8 9 and 12 are elites, but it chooses the random number 6

Does that mean it just doesn’t apply to an elite then cuz there are no elites in 1-6 or some shit

[long wharf]

yep, those elites aren't candidates for soulblaze stacks

[manic needle]

Thats surprisingly good, especially for melk

[fierce sinew]

I'm trying to be charitable and think of a reason for sampling the list instead of traversing the whole thing

[olive ember]

Wow that’s… I feel like I’d fail my CS exams if I implemented that as the solution lol

[fierce sinew]

but I can't think of one

[long wharf]

somebody thought there were doing an optimization

and didn't understand they were neutering the algorithm

[fierce sinew]

it's still going to be o(n) regardless as has been observed

[cyan notch]

not what happens in practice though

it always picks an elite

[long wharf]

I guarantee it doesn't

[fierce sinew]

I'm trying to think if I can remember it picking a shooter when there was an elite in range

[bold flint]

im just sitting here brainbursting next to the rager group in the meat grinder

it isnt missing

[cyan notch]

lol

u can go test it it will never not hit an elite if its in range

[bold flint]

its always picking the closest elite to me

[long wharf]

how many other enemies are near you?

[naive dawn]

So from my own play testing I know it will always target an elite anywhere, through walls even, so long as it is in range.

[cyan notch]

instead of saying OH LMAO CODE SAYS THIS you should see it in practice

[bold flint]

this many

[fierce sinew]

is this list ordered?

if so, how? Proximity?

[long wharf]

the list is generated by broadphase:query()

that query is likely ordering by distance

[naive dawn]

you can see the set distance in the grinder

[long wharf]

and the distance (radius) of selection may be quite small

[naive dawn]

its honestly not very far imo.

[fierce sinew]

a proximity ordered list would explain the behavior observed by someone standing next to a rager in the meat grinder

[long wharf]

go stand among the horde

[naive dawn]

youc an test it standing near the med kit near normal walkers

move slowly at ragers

[fierce sinew]

since he'd always be at [0]

[long wharf]

correct

[cyan notch]

if you stand between the poxwalkers it will also always 100% target the elites

[bold flint]

theres literally no difference

[cyan notch]

you can bb 50 times and 50 times it will hit the elite

[long wharf]

well, I'm going to jump into the meat grinder myself right now

[fierce sinew]

if it's proximity ordered list it should always target the elite closest to you

[naive dawn]

you can move away from all elites in grinder, stand near pox walker side and it will then only target closest walker

[olive ember]

The other question tho is let’s say the list is prioritized so elites show up first… what’s the point of traversing the list at all then

[naive dawn]

it also prioritizes closest elite to you

[long wharf]

as a random selection to cut down on iterations

[olive ember]

And not just “apply stack to a[0]

[fierce sinew]

the limit test for this is trying to create a situation where an elite is in range and it doesn't proc on him

[naive dawn]

meaning if you have (elite) gunners in a fighter but crusher is on top of you. its always on that crusher.

[bold flint]

then it means its actually optomised, you just dont get it

[fierce sinew]

so standing somewhere behind the horde in range of just one elite

[cyan notch]

doesnt happen it always hits if in range

[long wharf]

it means that the optimization really comes from taking advantage of how broadphase:query() orders the results

which is not done in Lua

[olive ember]

I mean my understanding is that there’s a list, it selects random variable n and then a for loop from 0 to n to search for elite

But then why not just… apply stack to a[0] instead of for looping

If it’s always going to be an elite

Working under the assumption that it’s ordered with elites as priority since people are saying it’s 100% accurate at hitting elites

[bold flint]

well yeah, i can sit here for 100 brain bursts and its never going to miss

[fierce sinew]

it means something else must be going on, as if we're correct in assuming the list is proximity ordered, and the only elite is last in the list, picking a random index to stop on would mean he doesn't get selected (len(list)-1)/len(list) of the time

as our lab rats are reporting, this is not the observed behavior

[long wharf]

right, I'm setting up for testing myself now

[olive ember]

And if we assume the list is prioritized with elites at the start then why traverse the list at all, shouldn’t the stack just apply to a[0] which is the closest elite

[bold flint]

i prefer the term varlets

[long wharf]

yeah, it's definitely consistently hitting the elites

[fierce sinew]

there's definitely a lot of the work being done by whatever sort broadphase:query() does

[long wharf]

so then the description is accurate, and the code is inefficient

[fierce sinew]

enemy type and then proximity (all elites at the front) is certainly a thing they could do

[olive ember]

I’m assuming you double checked to make sure the code you are referencing isn’t some unused leftover code or applying to something else (apparently the naming convention of darktide code sucks)

[muted silo]

Worth the Melkarunes?

[olive ember]

Idk how datamining works so yeah

[long wharf]

I mean, yeah, the code should read : get list, check list[0] for elite, and if not elite, hit math.random(1, list_length)

[long wharf]

the naming is absolute garbage, but I'm 100% certain I'm looking at the right code

now, enemy units have both an "elite" tag and a "special" tag

[fierce sinew]

in a world where they had one uniform, efficient sort already done and everything else was made with the conventions dictated by that sort, this implementation makes sense

[olive ember]

Also how efficient of a sort can they use out of curiosity anyways

[cyan notch]

absolutely not lmao

[fierce sinew]

there's no reason to do an additional check if that check already happened in the sort

but that's a big if

[olive ember]

This is supposed to be for KO right? So the call would be everytime KO is applied

[manic needle]

I know next to nothing about coding, but could there be a sampling of code from somewhere else that's causing you not to get the full picture of how the feat operates?

[cyan notch]

feat operates exactly as advertised

[long wharf]

no.

[manic needle]

🤷

[long wharf]

and the feat specifically targets elites, not specials

[olive ember]

Trying to figure out disconnect between code and what’s goin on in practice

[fierce sinew]

knowing what exactly happens when broadphase:query() is called is evidently important in this case

[long wharf]

to double check, I'm standing among the specials, killing the dreg rager

[naive dawn]

yep

elites > specials > normals I believe.

[fierce sinew]

right now (correct me if I'm wrong) all we know is that it returns a list

[long wharf]

I'm not seeing soulblaze get stacked on any specials

[fierce sinew]

the list appears to be ordered in a way such that KO works by prioritizing the nearest elite to the player, and (presumably nearest) other enemy otherwise

[naive dawn]

so maybe it is only elite > everything else?

based on prox

[fierce sinew]

specials might be after trash in the list order

[naive dawn]

could be

[cyan notch]

doesnt say anything about specials in the feat

[long wharf]

I don't think specials get stacks at all

[fierce sinew]

we might run into a problem with the meatgrinder being only one layout

[fierce sinew]

I'm trying to think where I can have you stand that only specials are within 15m of you

[long wharf]

where I'm standing, no elites are in range

so I see the mobs around me get stacks

[olive ember]

Where in code would it exclude specials tho

Unless that’s also from the sort

[fierce sinew]

if specials are at the end of the sorted list then trash would take the proc ahead of them

to test you need to get out of range of all non-specials

[olive ember]

It basically comes down to the sort

[long wharf]

try it for yourself

[fierce sinew]

I will later if you don't want to, but if you're still there is there any such place to stand?

[cyan notch]

yea push em around with fs

[fierce sinew]

do we even have a good way of demarcating distance accurately

[long wharf]

here's the problem

the only elite in this position is the reaper behind me

that's within range

all of the specials are in front of me, within range

if I kill the rager in front, the reaper gets soulblaze

if I kill the reaper, nobody gets soulblaze

[fierce sinew]

this is a successful test

[olive ember]

Out of curiosity how efficient of a sort can they even have and how optimized is it to have that kind of sort run every time KO procs

[long wharf]

yep, I'm not seeing any special get soulblaze

[gilded cloud]

Is this worth it?

[long wharf]

and they're the only ones within range besides the reaper

found a bug

[olive ember]

Blessing is mid, stat seems p good tho I forget how important warp resist is

[long wharf]

and I suspected this from looking at the code

now I'm standing here

[manic needle]

Basically not at all important lol

[olive ember]

Ah yeah I assumed n log n but didn’t know if there was some advanced sorting algo that was super quick that I didn’t learn

[manic needle]

I'd say the FS is at least worth getting for upgrade/blessing transfers later

[long wharf]

okay, this is super wierd

something is up with the list order returned by broadphase:query()

[fierce sinew]

and yeah that sword is good stats

[long wharf]

I just kill the rager 10 times in a row while at max warp charges

and nobody got soulblaze

then I killed a shotgunner

and then a rager, and the shotgunner got soulblaze once

continuing to kill the rager resulted in more of nobody getting soulblaze

I think the bug is that the code isn't checking that the target unit to get soulblaze isn't about to be dead

[cyan notch]

yea

it definitely does hit specials

[naive dawn]

i think are right if the closest target is that elite?

here

[cyan notch]

so if u kill the only elite thats in range (thats going to die) u dont get a proc on the special

[long wharf]

ahh ha, there it goes, yep, that confirms what I'm seeing about the unit selection bug

[fierce sinew]

if that's going on, then that unlearns what we thought we learned from the previous test

[long wharf]

elites are always at the front of the list

and it's possible for the first elite in the list to be the one you just killed with BB

back here now

[fierce sinew]

IE when you killed the reaper and nobody got soulblazed, it wasn't that the specials couldn't, it was that the (dead) reaper did

[long wharf]

any elite kill will place soulblaze on one of the specials

[fierce sinew]

and if you're closer to trash, the trash get it?

[olive ember]

I’d assume the list would be generated after you killed the target so he wouldn’t be something in the list anymore

[long wharf]

yep

[olive ember]

But I guess not

[clear heath]

I wonder if this behavior happens outside of psykanium in actual games

[fierce sinew]

is broadphase:query() creating the list, or just calling it?

[long wharf]

do you think it's a function of static enemy positions in the meat grinder?

[fierce sinew]

if it's just taking it from elsewhere the list might not be refreshed on a frequent enough interval

[long wharf]

we have no way of knowing

[clear heath]

psykanium is basically lagless as far as i can tell. I'm wondering if latency is enough for it to generate the list after the mob dies instead of doing it at the same time

[fierce sinew]

the most recent version of it still has the (now dead) target

right, I'm just speculating on ways for the list returned to have the dead guy in it

[naive dawn]

https://gyazo.com/4f72143c3dcb750b823781336ce306e8 "closest" elite with 4 stacks

"closest" elite after reaper kill https://gyazo.com/86032497e679911b5596eeb09a471361

[long wharf]

right, because that rager is within range

[long wharf]

there's no reason for any world partition system to maintain a total list of units around a player within a specific distance every frame

[fierce sinew]

it definitely wouldn't be every frame

[long wharf]

that query is made on the frame the add_soul_function is invoked

I really don't think it's a timing issue

if anything, add_soul_function likely only runs on the server anyways

[fierce sinew]

it might not be, it might just be an ordering problem

[long wharf]

well, "ordering problem" or not, it's definitely ordering elites ahead of everything else

the way different specials are being lit up, I'd bet that specials aren't specially sorted like elites at all

[fierce sinew]

I mean the list that is being returned (wherever it came from), assuming it to be accurate when returned, needs to get returned after the dead guy has left it

[long wharf]

no, it doesn't, and that's my point

[olive ember]

I mean I’d assume it would sort elites at the start and then everything else is via proximity

[long wharf]

the call to build the list is happening in the same frame as the enemy is dying, the player gains the warp charge

it's likely happening in the event stack processing

[fierce sinew]

right, that's the ordering issue I mean. For it to behave properly those things (guy leaving list, list being used to pick a KO target) need to be in the reverse order to the one they're in now

[long wharf]

which means the code that removes the enemy from the world hasn't even run yet

except you're not understanding how event systems work

[olive ember]

Is it some multithreading bs

[fierce sinew]

this is the problem

[long wharf]

you BB an enemy, the event on_kill gets called, and the player has a registered handler that is then invoked

that handler sees that it's a BB kill and then calls add_soul_function

a dead unit being removed from the world may not even happen via event handler

in order to ensure that it doesn't mess up any other event handlers

anyways, we've uncovered a bug, but whether that bug impacts normal in-mission gameplay can only be answered by the FartDevs

[fierce sinew]

so they need to either specifically exclude the enemy giving you a charge from the list, or wait to call the function returning the list until he's gone (not doing it on the same frame)

[long wharf]

I suspect that the bug exists in-mission

[fierce sinew]

I imagine it must

[long wharf]

but it's going to be mostly hidden by how chaotic gameplay gets

[fierce sinew]

yep

[long wharf]

the easiest fix is to simply check if the enemy is technically dead

[clear heath]

imo it should just be flagged as dead immediately and get ignored if it's dead

[long wharf]

yep

a life check or something simple

[fierce sinew]

I'm sure there's plenty of checks that would exclude him

[long wharf]

you don't need "plenty of checks"

just one

guess I'll report it, then

[cyan notch]

it just prioritises elites then specials and trash are in the same tier it just chooses randomly

[fierce sinew]

well of course, I'm saying there a lots of solutions to this problem

[long wharf]

yep

[olive ember]

Out of curiosity why does it traverse the list again

[long wharf]

there are infinite solutions to every problem, so that statement is moot

[clear heath]

it's pretty common for a game engine to not delete an entity immediately upon death. sometimes it's hard to predict when the engine will actually remove it
but usually you'd at least have something indicating it's dead if it hasn't been outright deleted yet

[olive ember]

If it prioritized elites why does it choose random variable n and then checks from blah to blah

[long wharf]

I think because the dev that wrote the code wasn't entirely sure the ramifications of nottraversing the list

maybe the code was written before elite sorting was added to broadphase:query()

you'd need to traverse the list if you were checking to make sure you weren't selecting a dead unit

[olive ember]

Turning O(1) operation into an O(n) 🤔

But apparently it’s not checking for dead unit right

It’s just checking for elite tag?

[long wharf]

so, ideally the code should be doing :

get_list_of_units()

[fierce sinew]

it might be legacy code from a different version of the feat that was more random

pre elite prioritization

[long wharf]

loop over list, for each unit :

if elite && !elite.dead select unit break loop

else if !elite pick random between current position and list length break loop

problem solved

of course, you then will have a hidden bug of that randomly selected unit possibly also being dead in the same frame

as can happen if you imagine a horde dying to your soulblaze all at once

[cyan notch]

maybe thats what happened in the video

and only wrack and ruin got applied to the scab

[long wharf]

ugh, I just registered for FartShart forums

wrack and ruin should be applying to all enemies around the elite/special you kill

[fierce sinew]

whatever check they choose to make sure the KO target isn't dead should be done regardless

elite or no

[long wharf]

of course

[cyan notch]

either KO applied the stack to something else in range (since it doesnt choose the closest enemy if its not an elite) or KO applied the stack to the dead mauler

[long wharf]

yeah, any situation where there's only one elite in range will suffer the bug

[naive dawn]

the bigger issue imo is how it seems to not care about specials in any regard over normal enemies.

[clear heath]

imagine if it's actually just targeting corpses as enemies

speaking of corpses, fun fact
the game crashes if you set ragdoll limit to 0 through the config file
1 is fine tho

just crashes immediately on kill

[long wharf]

I can't BB two targets fast enough in the meat grinder before they respawn to test that

[cyan notch]

yea mines at 1 lmao

[long wharf]

actually, let me remove AB

[clear heath]

yeah mine is at 1 as well

[cyan notch]

huge fps jump

[naive dawn]

yeh use kb for testing this

[long wharf]

I love seeing the ragdolls, though

[clear heath]

i just like less bodies for visual clarity

[long wharf]

I don't want visual clarity, I want visual carnage

[cyan notch]

yea you know immediately that bodies on the ground are 99% still alive

[clear heath]

i wish i could set it at 0 for the fun of just hitting something out of existance

[cyan notch]

sometimes with more ragdolls im burning some dude who is already dead but in death flailing animation covering their face etc

[clear heath]

unfortunately setting to 0 just hits my game out of existance

[long wharf]

nope, they respawn too quickly in the meat grinder, even with KB

[cyan notch]

not too huge a deal imo

[naive dawn]

in actual gameplay if a hound is running through a horde that would mean there is near zero chance of that feat targeting that hound.

[cyan notch]

yeah

bearable

[clear heath]

Was KO really gonna kill the dog anyways tho?

[long wharf]

that's the other problem with KO

4 stacks isn't killing anything on heresy+

[cyan notch]

great if you can apply many stacks fast

[naive dawn]

in a horde situation, it would take a rager running through your pug suddenly gaining 4 or possible 8 or more stacks on top of what you have applied not including AB use.

[fierce sinew]

it's only ever relevant if you're purging and it's +4 to already several/cap

[clear heath]

For killing elites, whittling them down faster isn't bad
For the speed you'd want to eliminate specials at though? nah not nearly fast enough

the dog would pounce you before your soulblaze does anything

[long wharf]

I mean, 4 psykers all with AB and KO might be fun

as long as one is running purge

[olive ember]

Do we know is aura stacks?

[long wharf]

problem is each player's stacks are separate, so it's not like you're all contributing to one single soulblaze stack

[naive dawn]

flayer or warp serve a better purpose, the fact that it ignores specials or at least treats them equal to trash I dont see as much of a good argument for it. If something is in range then it gains 4 stacks.

[olive ember]

Like if 4 psykers all ran aura would that be a 60% CD refund

[long wharf]

I don't think auras stack for any of the classes

[cyan notch]

doesnt ignore specials but yea its same tier as anything thats <not elite or monster>

[olive ember]

It’s literally only used to kill elites when running communion purge

Since purge is the only thing which generates stacks quick enough

[cyan notch]

you can use it as monster dps

with or without purg

[long wharf]

that's true

but you have to continually gain warp charges for that to be effective as a team strategy

[cyan notch]

you need a bunch of adds to bb

[long wharf]

to maximize the effect you'd let the psykers with purge do the add clearing

[fierce sinew]

mixed horde seems like the intended use case to me but there's lots of fun little interactions

[cyan notch]

you also need to stay in range of the monster while doing that

which can be tricky

[long wharf]

I'm adding a description of the bug itself in the Lua code

https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/psyker-feat-kinetic-overload-doesnt-stack-soulblaze-on-nearby-targets-sometimes/73925

I mean, fuck, if they can't figure out how to fix it with that, the next bug report will just include the fixed block of code for them

damnit, now I want to stab stuff with my zealot

I wasn't going to play Darktide today

[forest coral]

Have fun!

[olive ember]

downvoted for speaking truth amongst the unknowing masses smh

typical reddit moment

[long wharf]

the reddit hivemind is truly retarded

[manic needle]

Downvotes deserved for not using dark mode tbh

[bold flint]

true

[long wharf]

how the kids say, "based"

[bold flint]

no, not based, L rizz, no scriptures, touch medicae

[cyan notch]

rizz is the stupidest new thing to be made up

[long wharf]

the fuck does that even mean?

[cyan notch]

short for "charisma"

[long wharf]

sigh

[cyan notch]

sheeee it be talm bow yo game nomsain

[long wharf]

why are kids today so stupid?

[cyan notch]

how u be catchin them honeys

u aint got no rizz u aint got no game means no bitches

moronic

[bold flint]

https://tenor.com/view/yelling-cloud-old-man-news-gif-14394596

[cyan notch]

answer is yes

[long wharf]

now change that headline to be in the current vernacular

[olive ember]

I mean I felt like a boomer when I saw those kids gushing over fortnite, logan paul, and prime

and im like

20

[bold flint]

Geezer malding over cloud

[long wharf]

'Boomer'

[manic needle]

Every generation has its cringe factor, current gen is stuck with things like Logan Paul

[cyan notch]

https://tenor.com/view/goku-fortnite-get-griddy-dragon-ball-dragon-ball-z-gif-26491049

[long wharf]

the fuck?

stop the planet please, I would like to get off now.

[manic needle]

not even flossing

[gilded cloud]

Is Terrifying Barrage on Surge any good?

[cyan notch]

nah people love this new griddy shit

[bold flint]

Psyker Psykinetic Wraths at Tox flamer

[gilded cloud]

Cause I saw this

[manic needle]

TB is pretty meh in general

[bold flint]

anything worth suppressing at that range you should be zapping

[gilded cloud]

Yeah, thought so. I'll hold off

In terms of Curios, what kind of blessings do you guys generally look for? What about perks?

[bold flint]

ordos

then toughness, sniper resist

[cyan notch]

stop lying

nobody needs dockets

[noble mason]

exp and ordos for sure

[bold flint]

me i need them

docket me hungry

[gilded cloud]

I did exp but I'm level 30 now so don't need it anymore

I def need dockets for now tho

[cyan notch]

your are poor

[bold flint]

yees, which is why want dokit gane

[cyan notch]

xp, toughness regen and grim resist

so basically 0 perks

[gilded cloud]

Does toughness regen only affect passive regen or also the regen from feats?

Cause I absolutely love the 10% toughness regen on a warp attack kill

Easily the best when using a stave

[cyan notch]

apparently its supposed to only decrease coherency regen delay

but its also apparently bugged rn to do absolutely nothing

same with grim resist

[gilded cloud]

Lmfao hahahaha

[gilded cloud]

It should honestly just be corruption resist. Just being grim is so dumb

[quick heron]

best purg perks?

[manic needle]

crit chance and flak damage, some people like unyielding

[fringe agate]

Any psykers here by the name of Ranni

that just did hi5 cryo rod mission

[floral solstice]

yeah that was me

why

[fringe agate]

Hello Ranni

ggs

[floral solstice]

yo gg

messy af but straightforward

[fringe agate]

it was a very fun game

that's going to be a YT video

I was trying to record shredder pistol hi5 run

[floral solstice]

oh it was all things considered

[fringe agate]

sorry that it got a little rough round the edges xd

[forest coral]

Ranni, yva

[fringe agate]

hi Kimo

[floral solstice]

nah its fine, im mostly raging at the ogryn bois at that point

they were literally ignoring backline while i was sniping bombers

[forest coral]

ranni's luck with ogryns seem to be coin flip between actual ogryn brains irl or godlike ones who can time grenade trajectory explosions

[floral solstice]

the one we play with on lfg is very good

random queue is just... ehh

[fringe agate]

yea I was gonna say

[floral solstice]

that said, it wasn't the messiest high intensity ive cleared

[cloud heron]

random queue is only queue

[fringe agate]

in my defense I played as well as I could for running what might be the worst ranged weapon for damnation and the pug ogryn was splitting off alot

[cloud heron]

embrace chaos

[floral solstice]

that's why i raged at that mid event bit

before that i was fine handling backline on my own

but not when we're getting bombed by 2-3 bombers and some stalkers

[fringe agate]

We almost got wiped here I think because he was randomly in Africa for some reason

[floral solstice]

lmao that area was super bad timing

for horde spawn

[fringe agate]

If he didn't get me up here we all die

At least one

I wanted to ask if you were feeling okay when the all caps started coming out

[floral solstice]

ahh it's that bit where i pushed the burster withe enough stamina

and it clipped through me

[floral solstice]

that's uhh.. how do i say this

normal?

considering i've played over a decade of dota kek

that's mild in comparison but not in a coop i guess

[forest coral]

Least toxic dota player

[floral solstice]

ask kimo how i am on lfg voice :))

i flame kimo 24/7

[fringe agate]

Poor Kimo :c

[forest coral]

he bully me but the run goes smooth 9/10 times

[fringe agate]

We were talking about ranni's jacking off habits

[light quail]

yes

YES

[floral solstice]

that 1/10 is with that random ogryn from a day ago

[fringe agate]

n1 camm

[forest coral]

ah grats!!

[floral solstice]

STAHP

[cyan notch]

nice

[forest coral]

ok that was actually

[forest coral]

that hurt me

[cloud heron]

Any teams griefed in the making of this screenshot?

[fringe agate]

This one was mildly amusing

[floral solstice]

delicious bursters from doors

[fringe agate]

Two in a row

[floral solstice]

i swear most of the shit that downed me that game was from doors

[light quail]

we were losing anyway
2 bots, both down
friend was low on hp and we were crowded with specials (back2back horde) so I went for it

[floral solstice]

like that one rager that slapped me in the back

but anyway, yvanna, trust me im pretty chill there

[fringe agate]

@forest coral You know what you gotta do next time you play with Ranni

[floral solstice]

if im actually raging i'd say im blocking everyone then leave

[fringe agate]

Oh ofc I trust you it was a nice game

I had fun

[forest coral]

Dude literally calls themselves a tank ogryn and didnt know how to hold down a shield vs daemon host and on top of that, constantly runs out by himself and holds block against waves of gunners then dies without doing anything

[forest coral]

ok

[floral solstice]

i'll do it to you next time i ogryn kimo

[forest coral]

ill make sure im recording

[floral solstice]

motherfu-

[forest coral]

[fringe agate]

There was a part

when I got downed for the first time during data interrog

where both ogryns

were on the opposite side

of the room from Ranni

For some inexplicable reason

[floral solstice]

chase ogryn butts challenge

[fringe agate]

Poor Ranni

[floral solstice]

with that said yeah, even with the nurgle spawn it was pretty straightforward

[fringe agate]

Sorry about the previous game

on the sand map

That was a very unlucky wipe

[floral solstice]

all caps sends the message clearer kek

[cloud heron]

didnt know how toxic ranni was in game

[fringe agate]

calmest Psyker

[floral solstice]

you call that toxic?

let's play dota lmao

that's me calmly reminding people that they have roles

[forest coral]

room too smol for ranni so ogryns made space

[forest coral]

n ono

[fringe agate]

No that's not toxic

that's cute

[forest coral]

they are most whoelsome

[cloud heron]

you just gotta embrace doing every role at once by yourself

[fringe agate]

Yes very wholesome

[forest coral]

and they deserve all the head pats

[fringe agate]

sometimes Ranni would throw a blast of fire at the angle I was holding

Look how chill this is

[forest coral]

Ranni helped me get malleus monstronum yesterday as well

even tho the threat to grief every second was real

[wheat quartz]

bombers are the most annoying special imo
snipers need los, those fuckers don't, and have perfect accuracy even with a tiny pixel gap to throw through

[floral solstice]

i was tempted to box the boss

[forest coral]

[floral solstice]

they are, especially on that power matrix mid event where i raged

fuckers from upstairs you cant bb

[forest coral]

i think i would have just rage quit there since we spent like 5 min running in a circle brainbursting nurgle beast

[floral solstice]

because railings > mind powers

warp powers

[fringe agate]

So Ranni

[forest coral]

yeahhh

[fringe agate]

now for the most important question

[floral solstice]

yo

answer is no

[forest coral]

answer is yes

i answer on proxy

[cloud heron]

the hourglass map that ends with the interrogators, the two floor ring with interrogators on both floors. I love watching bombers chuck grenades down that tiny gap in the center between floors

[wheat quartz]

lmao, yes

it's like

[fringe agate]

I HAVEN'T ASKED

[cloud heron]

it's like a 45 degree angle from their face to where the grenade needs to land and they nail it every time

[fringe agate]

[floral solstice]

now that i think about it, why do people like camping the bottom area of power matrix mid event

[wheat quartz]

are these bombers actually psyker telekines?

[floral solstice]

isnt it easier up top

[fringe agate]

Let's get a confirmation

[forest coral]

oh dear

[fringe agate]

did you quell this morning

Or did you not quell this morning

[floral solstice]

bruh yvanna outing me 💀

[fringe agate]

Content is content

[forest coral]

sins are sins

[fringe agate]

Oh ranni, I have something you might enjoy

[forest coral]

and you need to confess to the zealot

[fringe agate]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6el_5zYeuns here you go

[floral solstice]

eh, do what you want

i'll be real here

[fringe agate]

We won that game so now i have a hi5 shredder pistol video ready to be made

[floral solstice]

idc what others think unless they're my friends/people i play with

ofc i play differently with closer people

[fringe agate]

I think you're pretty good

[floral solstice]

except kimo, kimo is trash jk

[forest coral]

thats it

[fringe agate]

Kimo probably has a degradation kink

[floral solstice]

kimo still owes me 20bucks

[forest coral]

next time im leaving u tied up

[floral solstice]

for penance help

[forest coral]

[floral solstice]

sounds kinky

[forest coral]

ITS NOT SUPPOSED TO BE

[fringe agate]

You guys go ahead, just pretend I'm not here recording

[floral solstice]

whoops

yvanna is the walking cctv here huh

gotta watch my back in pubs

[forest coral]

and we are the content

[floral solstice]

she might see me using box on bulwarks

[fringe agate]

everyone I play with in damnation are potential content

like that 5 wounds zealot

The other day

that made us all go !? why would you need 5 wounds in damnation

He soon showed us why

[floral solstice]

see, i gave you content with my raging

[forest coral]

that was amazing

[floral solstice]

if you call it raging

[forest coral]

i dont think ive seen ranni 'rage' yet

[fringe agate]

no it was actually really cute I don't think I'll be focussing on the stuff you typed

[forest coral]

just quiet angy

[wet jacinth]

7 WOUND OGRYN

[fringe agate]

yea and I don't think i wanna see that

That'd make me sad

[fringe agate]

[floral solstice]

believe it or not ive seen max wounds ogryn in t5 before

[forest coral]

yeah, they tend to go down very fast

[wet jacinth]

500 HP Ogryn vs Max Wounds Ogryn

[floral solstice]

pls dont be mean to them

they're helping out with rescue penance

[fringe agate]

Ranni Kimo you guys are the reason i unmuted this channel

usually I have no psyker friends to talk to

so i only have zealot chat unmuted out of all the class chats

[wet jacinth]

a Good Ogryn is one that completes the Coherency one without trying (team as well I suppose)

[forest coral]

aww

i still think zealot chat most fun usually but good to hear!

[floral solstice]

let's flame yvanna so she mutes psyker

[forest coral]

[wet jacinth]

[fringe agate]

Please don't

also i was running 2 stam 1 health curio that game

[forest coral]

quick ranni say something gamer

[fringe agate]

so I was soft inting

But we won so it's ok

[floral solstice]

my zealot no flamer ugh

reported

[wet jacinth]

me who used to run max stamina Psyker

[fringe agate]

I actually selected flamer for that during the readying phase but it didn't register

sometimes that happens

after losing the sandmap I didn't wanna do another shredder pistol attempt

[forest coral]

I SAID I WAS SORRY OK

but hey it worked out

[fringe agate]

more sprinting pog

[floral solstice]

LMAO I WASNT EVEN SINGLING YOU OUT

guilty af

[wet jacinth]

pushing actually

[floral solstice]

kek

[forest coral]

yeah we loaded in and i was like

i think im retarded

[floral solstice]

actually let's do high intensity later too

so we know if randoms are better than kimo jk

[fringe agate]

This was directed at me partly I think

[floral solstice]

usually lfg guys don't like high intensity

[wet jacinth]

[floral solstice]

maybe

[fringe agate]

Hi intensity with pugs is the only excitement left in darktide

I'll add Ranni allcapping in chat to my kink list

[floral solstice]

i've never played high intensity with discord guys

no one wants to

too

to*

fuck

[forest coral]

but you did it with me yesterday

[fringe agate]

It's ok dear take your time

[forest coral]

[fringe agate]

this can be taken multiple ways

[forest coral]

DONT TAKE IT OUT OF CONTEXT

[floral solstice]

stop being horny here pls

[fringe agate]

You can be taken multiple ways

[floral solstice]

only zealot chat is allowed to be horny

[fringe agate]

oh yes

sorry

back to Zealot chat

[floral solstice]

i dont even wanna know what vet chat looks like

[fringe agate]

femboys, racism, politics

(my favorites)

[forest coral]

i thought zealot was femboy channel

[floral solstice]

oh, so a regular discord channel

[wet jacinth]

Pic of my psyker now I go do some runs then go to bed

[fringe agate]

Looks very good

I love that hood on the psyker

[forest coral]

ooh nice!

[wet jacinth]

[fringe agate]

gngn

[cloud heron]

pretty standard for a warhammer game

40k at least

[fringe agate]

yea ik

[floral solstice]

ayt welp off to get lunch, kimo tell me when you're playing so i can avoid you on purpose

[forest coral]

we- ow

similar time as yday

[fringe agate]

lunch? would it happen to be noon for you lol

[floral solstice]

hf weirdos

[forest coral]

so roughly... 3-4 hours from now i think

[floral solstice]

yeah it is noon here

sgt timezone

[fringe agate]

Ranni I'm within walking distance of your house

[floral solstice]

don't tell me you're... aussie too BLEH

[fringe agate]

aussie? no singapore

[floral solstice]

oh

[fringe agate]

I live here for work

[floral solstice]

sgt timezone but from ph

[forest coral]

yvanna going to throw u off the top of marina bay sands be careful

oh nvm

[floral solstice]

ayt welp im afk for good hf hf

[fringe agate]

I would never

Unless it's for content

[forest coral]

[cyan notch]

pornhub

[light quail]

is it just me or is heresy being extra mean today

[sly anvil]

I’m playing dark tide in a mental hospital

No joke

[cyan notch]

are you on steam deck

[cloud heron]

Honestly I can barely tell the difference between Heresy and Damnation some days

[sly anvil]

Desk top

I’m a true psyker ms

[bold flint]

[cloud heron]

you have a desktop in the hospital?

[fringe agate]

Do you work there?

or are you institutionalized

[forest coral]

why not both?

[sly anvil]

Yes

[cloud heron]

nice

[sly anvil]

Before I was put in here I was

Anti depressants and dark Tide are the only thing keeping me from destroying myself

[forest coral]

hope you eventually get better

[cloud heron]

You just gotta do the force sword thing where you hold your fingers up every once in a while

[sly anvil]

On Emperor

[sly anvil]

I’m crazy not insane

[brittle crest]

dece, sad on the low blessing tho.. maybe worth upgrading?

damage kinda low tho

which doesn't seem like much tbh

[cloud heron]

I'd upgrade it

blessings arent a huge deal on surge

[forest coral]

That looks really good to me

since surge ur more disabling than outright killing things

[brittle crest]

this is my other one, the warp res being so low is actually annoying sometimes

[cloud heron]

what are you going for with the crit here?

[brittle crest]

i think somebody here said to focus on crit or something

[cloud heron]

that's more of a purge thing unless i'm missing some other interaction

[brittle crest]

cause surg has good base crit i think

[wheat quartz]

surge actually does decent crit damage on scabs

and has high base crit

[floral solstice]

yo wtf lmao

surge may be a cc staff but dont sleep on crits

[wheat quartz]

it actually kills scabs pretty decently well

[wet jacinth]

Funny blue fire

Is fun tho

[cloud heron]

Do you charge it when trying for the crit setup or still just spam?

[wheat quartz]

I am purgatus fan

I feel like the more dregs and poxwalkers there are the worse surge feels

[wet jacinth]

It's always funny when I see a Zealot and it's a Flamer Zealot

Normie fire and funny blue fire

[wheat quartz]

I play zealot and psyker because they both have a flamer tbh

[cloud heron]

Yeah, surge suffers a lot in hordes. When I use it I usually run kinetic flayer and ascendign blaze just for the horde clear it offers. 4 charge AB isn't great but it still kills damnation poxwalkers

[wet jacinth]

It makes me want to go back to Vt and retry the flamer weapons

Even though those werent nearly as good

[cloud heron]

i feel like purge is hard to open queue with. Competing for the horde clear role sucks

[floral solstice]

well yeah dregs are surge's nightmare

just spam cast them

[wheat quartz]

I only play purge lately even on quickplay

I hate surge subjectively

It's just not any fun

[wet jacinth]

I do it because without DoT on the hordes most Randoms can't seem to kill hordes

[forest coral]

Surge is great with a team that knows how to play around it

otherwise its painful

[wet jacinth]

But as a Psyker I still have BB if I need range on like a sniper

[wheat quartz]

my psyker basically stays on this setup permanently

[forest coral]

but i also love it for low effort malice blasting

[cloud heron]

Yeah, but you can also be left feeling useless because two flamer zealots insist on competing with you

[wet jacinth]

Me atm

[forest coral]

since the damage can just clear things there

[wet jacinth]

I've done this before. We just burned everything

4th was a Ogryn just chillin

[forest coral]

double flamer zealot and purg psyker with ogryn was one of the more fun runs ive had

[fringe agate]

Then I am the perfect zealot companion for you I play Knife only hi5

[forest coral]

even tho snipers and gunners were a bit of worry moment

[cloud heron]

i really dislike mixing purge and flamer. It makes it a lot harder to build charges

[forest coral]

yvanna simulating their walk through london

[fringe agate]

shanks you

[wheat quartz]

yeah the only thing that'd make me change it is maybe a slaughterer force sword, lol

[cyan notch]

not really if anything its easier since u just need to apply blaze then let them finish the kills

[floral solstice]

give me different mk surge with forked lightning instead

[wet jacinth]

I personally prefer Mk4 dueling sword I believe. The one with 2 stabs. But that's until I find one. Otherwise I'm using MkV

[forest coral]

Mkii is my bby

[fringe agate]

Ayy Ranni is back

[forest coral]

the long stab is like spear

[wheat quartz]

I have a decent mark 4, but it doesn't dodge as far as mark 5

[fringe agate]

How was lunch

[floral solstice]

it's ayt

[wet jacinth]

I personally prefer the medium/short dodges

[floral solstice]

wasn't even that hungry anyway

just needed a reason to stop talking to kimo

[wet jacinth]

Feels more satisfying to just barely dodge attacks with the right timing

[fringe agate]

Poor Kimo

[wheat quartz]

yeah, I like mark 5's crazy dodgeslide distance because it gives me more space to charge up the purgatus

[wet jacinth]

Despite the people that bitch about short dodges being useless

The only area short dodges I find useless are pox bursters

[floral solstice]

me dodging with evisc/TH:

usually i dodge slide after pushing bursters just to be safe

[wet jacinth]

Ye

Sliding be the safer bet

And yeah I like evis as well

But it's a Zealot only wep

Sadge

[floral solstice]

feels nice to use lighter weapons after getting used to the heavier ones

[wheat quartz]

here's one I got from the beloved Emperor

[forest coral]

is aboos

[wet jacinth]

And I have a love/hate relation with Zealot

[forest coral]

Duelling swords being able to slide all over the place makes horde control so much nicer

[wheat quartz]

yeah, one dodgeslide opens a ton of space, then out comes the flamer, and you can wish you could make the creepy laugh line that psyker does when pressing F at high peril at will

[wet jacinth]

I sometimes run force sword as well for its inf dodges

[zealous lily]

pick n mix got me fucked up

[forest coral]

force sword push is nothing to be disregarded either

[wet jacinth]

Probably see me dodging faster than sprinting zealots sometimes

[cloud heron]

Throneside espionage. The interrogator bit before the elevator

each time the interrogator goes down, 5+ gunners spawn

[zealous lily]

there actually was actually one of those on the thingy, but i looked away from the mission selector for 2 seconds and it dissappearedd

even tho it had 15 min left on it .. >.>

[cloud heron]

Yeah I've noticed that happen before too. Not sure what the deal is

like there will even be a blank space on the mission select screen

[zealous lily]

i just noticed it happen again, there was only one Heresy mission, i go out and into the mission selector and it'll just dissapear and reappear

really fucked it up for me tho, got rid of the perfect mission

[floral solstice]

don't worry bois, we'll get selectable missions + modifiers as seasonal content

[zealous lily]

cries in modern gaming

[forest coral]

$3 feature for convenience

[floral solstice]

you guys have wallets right?

there you go

[forest coral]

Do u guys not have credit cards

[wheat quartz]

alas, we don't have phones either

[gilded cloud]

Is the highest perk level IV?

[wheat quartz]

yes

[gilded cloud]

Ty

[vagrant cedar]

there's no content till summer

be happy if you'll get crafting

[cloud heron]

"Over the next few months" could mean multiple updates released periodically

right guys? right?

[vagrant cedar]

100%

[lethal plover]

I have been playing deep rock galactic. did darktide copy the random mission + modifier thing from DRG ? I feel like that's what happened

[vagrant cedar]

that's def gonna happen

[cloud heron]

I don't feel like DRG invented that but can't actually think of other examples

[fierce sinew]

it's definitely something that's been around for a long time