and yes fs special has light and heavy attacks
#psyker-class
cyan notch
safe pendant
Ya think Masozi has enough days leave to take as much time off as Fatshark?
manic needle
The patch is taking so long because she's the one delivering it
fierce sinew
she's circling but can't land until a really simple minigame is completed on one of fatshark's computers
forest coral
Masozi wanting to finish their last round of gacha game before having to land and actually do work
brazen basalt
lol, shop has 2 deflector swords at once.
pliant junco
trying to understand fatshark is like trying to do reverse engineering for an old and ancient alien race
regal musk
At least the ancient alien race would make sense eventually.
pliant junco
vagrant cedar
trying to understand fatshark is like trying to do reverse engineering for an ol...
False. You would understand the reasoning behind the alien language.
vagrant cedar
imagine doing weird game design choice and use google trad on top of that
tbh i'm trying out VT2 now and can say that Combat gimmicks do work better in DT
vagrant cedar
wdym
like the hitboxes and the general feel when battling enemies
darktide just feels more polished
cyan notch
melee is much better in vt2 imo
vagrant cedar
you like that shitty 0.3s poke the enemies do in VT2?
or when they are too close to you to register a hit etc?
you can't even see the "long-range" poke from the same type enemies most of the time
idk if i can keep attacking or block
in DT you don't have that
cyan notch
yes thats because theres a bigger focus on blocking and dodging and mastering close range combat
dt is just uhhhhhhh spam attack
vagrant cedar
see, i would agree with you but when the AI can stack in same spot 10 enemies
and you got no idea wtf is happening
i don't like that
cyan notch
its the same in darktide
vagrant cedar
never noticed tbh
cyan notch
especially on dropdowns or climbups
safe pendant
10 enemies inside me at once? Typical Sunday night
vagrant cedar
oh those are crap too
VT engine or the coding for those are srsly crap
but i guess that's how they countered people camping the climb locations on waves
cyan notch
enemies are still sitting ducks climbing up and falling down for the most part
they just arent staggerable till they finish their animation so you might get clipped if youre not careful
same in darktide
regal musk
see, i would agree with you but when the AI can stack in same spot 10 enemies
AI also likes to spawn already readying a melee lunge
vagrant cedar
the assasins in vt are like flying dogs in dt
it's funny how darktide is re-skinned vt
cyan notch
thats much less prevalent in vt2
you dont get constant bullshit enemies spawning behind you (unless its a horde)
west galleon
it's funny how darktide is re-skinned vt
Ok but thats not really unexpected though is it (not meant in a rude way)
regal musk
Dont you enjoy melee mobs appearing out of thin air directly behind you the moment you look away?
vagrant cedar
i'd prefer constant enemies spawn from behind and what not vs crappy random animations while attacking
it just feels random
unless i would have to play safe af
in vt2
cyan notch
i think youre just not used to heavy melee combat
west galleon
Dont you enjoy melee mobs appearing out of thin air directly behind you the mome...
I realised that psykers are the only class that have issues with that
vagrant cedar
i finished Vt1
cyan notch
enemy attacks for the most part are completely predictable
vagrant cedar
idkkkk i can predict majority of them in VT2 but when the AI pulls some long range random shit i'm not happy
cyan notch
idkkkk i can predict majority of them in VT2 but when the AI pulls some long ran...
that happens in dt too
regal musk
Its super when the rest of the squad runs off and i get stabbed in the back, turn to deal with that, turn back to return to the squad now 100 meters away and yet more trash has spawned there, so i kill that so i can continue and get backstabbed again
cyan notch
hordes pull ambient enemies
thats why if a horde is coming and you have time just kill some ambients cuz theyre gonna pop up anyway
vagrant cedar
Its super when the rest of the squad runs off and i get stabbed in the back, tur...
i could solo waves in DT way better than VT2
idk, maybe i'm just imagining things but the combat system looks weaker to me in VT2
regal musk
Cool story. Now rejoin your squad when groups of 2 - 5 mobs are spawning behind you every time you turn your back
vagrant cedar
axe -> 2 hits -> mobs dead
wet belfry
You can hear a sound when an enemy is swinging
Just turn around, get the melee weapon and quickly block.
vagrant cedar
it used to be an issue to me when i didn't know about this mechanic of spawning enemies, but now days you can expect it and it's so easy to deal with it
regal musk
Cool, so when are you going to actually move forward?
wet belfry
Make sure to have good sensitivity in options.
regal musk
Cos i can stand in place and kill an infinite number of mobs
But i still need ot rejoin the squad that is getting furtehr and further away
cyan notch
block and spam dodge towards your pals
vagrant cedar
Cool, so when are you going to actually move forward?
it takes <5s to kill those mobs
wet belfry
What melee weapon are you using?
vagrant cedar
you can literally run forward and once they come to you, you kill them
not even chase them
you can sprint in DT
regal musk
Youre missing the point of the issue.
5 seconds to kill the ones that first spawned behind you.
Now a few more have spawned behind your current position.
So turn and kill those.
Now a new set spawns behind your new facing.
Repeat.
regal musk
Sure!
Sprint!
HEar running sounds.
Talke toughness damage, stagger, now the mobs have caught up.
vagrant cedar
1 hit = 1 kill
vagrant cedar
i feel like you need to watch some decent damnation runs on Youtube to increase your game sense
regal musk
Its an endless spawn
cyan notch
block and spam dodge towards your pals
dont just sprint
dt enemies have insanely long range tracking running attacks
you cannot outrun those attacks
regal musk
So your solution to getting trapped by an infinite spawn is to run, but the enemies outrun you.
?
wet belfry
Dodgeing, bashing is usally the best retreat for most melee weapons
vagrant cedar
or just shoot them
regal musk
Its not an issue that arises every run. Its literally just the AI taking a dump and spamming small waves of mobs endlessly
cyan notch
no my solution is not to run
wet belfry
Oh ye CC is strong for the psyker
regal musk
So no running to the squad thats steadily getting further away.
cyan notch
your team has to slow down at some point
vagrant cedar
i feel like he's level 5 and a bit slow
cyan notch
unless youre saying your team is sprinting nonstop through the level
vagrant cedar
best run diff 2 on low intensity
regal musk
Good lord. The lack of comprehension is baffling.
cyan notch
theres gonna be enemies that they have to stop running and deal with
your team is not gonna just get infinitely further away
regal musk
Lemme slow it down and use fewer words for you.
Squad runs ahead.
AI breaks and _infinitely spawns mobs on me.
vagrant cedar
why do you stay back
the ways maps and waves are made, you can't sprint that fast
that someone wouldn't be able to catch up
unless you're like new to the games
and you focus on useless things
rather than move forward
west galleon
I feel like you guys are having this conversation fron 2 different perspectives and are failing to establish a baseline
regal musk
I dont "stay back" i kill a special that happens along at teh end of a spawn, turn around and find that the team abandoned me as soon as i started up the BB.
cyan notch
you could always ping or comm
west galleon
Esky meanwhile is not comprehending the issue brought to the table by lyote
We can do this
Just start from 1
vagrant cedar
Esky meanwhile is not comprehending the issue brought to the table by lyote
Dude, i understand what he's saying, but if you're decent at the game, it should be nowhere near the "problem" he's making it to be
he's not talking about rocket science ffs
regal musk
Esky meanwhile is not comprehending the issue brought to the table by lyote
It all started when i made a comment about an issue with the AI dropping infinite spawns behind me when the team sprints ahead.
Then the usual "Skill issue, git gud" started
cyan notch
main problem is that you cant outrun a horde's attacks so you just gotta block and dodge or kill the enemies
should be a rare occurance this infinite spawns anyway
vagrant cedar
^
cyan notch
either that or its not actually infinite
regal musk
Circling back to what i initially said, its not hordes. Its literally the AI popping in several mobs behind me. Not out of a closet or a spawner. Just popping them in.
vagrant cedar
maybe the time it takes for him to kill them what makes it infinite
that would make sense
cyan notch
spawning in air?
regal musk
Yes
cyan notch
i dont believe you
vagrant cedar
i would reaaaally wanna see your gameplay
regal musk
Like i said, the AI breaks.
west galleon
Dude, i understand what he's saying, but if you're decent at the game, it should...
Oh ok so you're just being a dick about it
My bad
cyan notch
if you have a clip it would be helpful
vagrant cedar
Oh ok so you're just being a dick about it
no, i'm just trying for him to realize he's doing something really bad in game
and it's his issue, not the game's
how many times your team ran away from you in ANY of the maps, and left you behind with infinite spawning loops @west galleon
let me guess, 0
regal musk
Its not always. It can be escaped. I was making comment that the AI shouldnt be doing that.
Then i just got sarcastic when the responses turned to git guds
I'm sorry i didnt spell it out specifically enough in my first comment ...
vagrant cedar
when you're walking the map, you will have dozens on dozens of mobs coming at you
if he can't catch up with the team by killing 2-5 mobs
c'mon dude
cyan notch
even if so youre making it out like you can never catch up to your team without sprinting
just block and dodge
then you wont get hit
or ping or comm to your team
vagrant cedar
i feel like he's trolling
wet belfry
Somehow it could actually be an issue for a newer player
vagrant cedar
well yeah, it could be if he's fresh and don't know how to play
wet belfry
The game isnt very intunitive in showing how weak sprint is.
vagrant cedar
that's why i made the level 5 comment
wet belfry
Plus it takes awhile to get used to the games settings, sounds.
spice veldt
there are some areas where enemies can drop down from the top, replicating the effect of enemies appearing from thin air
still annoying when they drop down when your team has cleared the bottom area
vagrant cedar
from my experience, the most ever the game spawned from behind was probably like 2-5 mobs every 30seconds
but if you move forward, you don't even notice that
bam bam, they dead, you move on to the next area
west galleon
let me guess, 0
Well, not in some loops but i can see how one could easily fall behind due to some exploring or having to quell or for whatever reason and then getting stuck while chasing after some zealots that wont slow down.
Granted thats only happened in lower difficulties to me but i def. see where the person is coming from.
regal musk
west galleon
So i dont see it as an issue of personal skill but more of a team issue
cyan notch
from my experience, the most ever the game spawned from behind was probably like...
those are the garbage "trickle spawns" that have those slow walking packs
vagrant cedar
Well, not in some loops but i can see how one could easily fall behind due to so...
well yeah, if he's exploring every corner of the map sure, he can g et lost behind
regal musk
Not my gameplay.
But an example of what sometimes happens. Though it happens on a much lesser scale.
AI will literally pop mobs in from thin air
cyan notch
thats not behind you though
regal musk
Not that specific video, no.
cyan notch
thats just specific parts of the maps that these guys are notorious for
game is not gonna spawn reapers behind you randomly
wet belfry
Not that specific video, no.
What class and weapons are you actually running?
west galleon
And then you dont feel like spamming dodge and sliding through a horde and thats it you're about to get a train run on you
cyan notch
semi common in that spot
theres a couple in some maps
its like the game knows its supposed to have enemies waiting above the elevator but they are slow to spawn them until the elevator already reaches the top
regal musk
Oh god ... the bug is that it pops in mobs from behind me. As i alluded to when i made the first comment. Its not the natural behaviour, but it happens more frequently when seperated from the squad.
It will sometimes do this repeatedly, resulting in a stream of melee mobs, often readying a melee lunge when iot happens.
wet belfry
Ye im not interseted becuase its still doable to deal with even if this hypothetically exists
regal musk
When the git guds started, i got sarcastic. Ill apologize for that.
The whole thing started from me making a joking comment on a spawn bug that has hit me on several occasions
cyan notch
idk the game doesnt really spawn a stream of enemies from air behind you
maybe 1 or 2 rarely
cyan notch
yea but not horde trash
regal musk
What part of "bug" and "AI breaks" is hard to understand now?
cyan notch
its pretty rare
vagrant cedar
but it's usually 1 by 1 shitty melee mob
cyan notch
and if so is then inconsequential in the grand scheme of things
and easily dealt with
by dodging and blocking towards your team
or just kill them
regal musk
Its a bug. Its annoying. It should be fixed. It should not happen. But it does.
I made joke, it whooshed over your heads and I'm done now.
cyan notch
i dont buy that the AI breaks 10 times in a row and a stream of enemies spawn from air behind you
sure ill give you the benefit of doubt it happens once or twice
but again they are dealt with easily
not so much to the point that you cant escape them
vagrant cedar
I'll just assume he explores the map, looking at the wall concept while his team pushes the map forward in normal manner and 10 minutes after wall-watching he gets surrounded with all the mobs
the end.
on a serious note, record it and report it
would be funny if dev reply would be "git gud"
frigid marten
game is not gonna spawn reapers behind you randomly
The director is just sadic. Like “oh take this double poxbuster jumping on your team from this door inna corridor”
All mob spawn from air. They just tend to appear out of sight. Behind door behind a wall. Behind a pile of box behind you. This is why rule one is check behind often.
fierce sinew
I've had the AI director get a tummyache before, but it was really obviously not working (and both times started when someone crashed)
like it stopped the specialist spawn sound cues and made six (6) flamers in the same spawn point
it's like whatever part of the logic confirms that things had spawned and to go on cooldown didn't work
for the rest of the run
(we died)
I've had it happen once in the torrent and once in hourglass
shadow onyx
idk the game doesnt really spawn a stream of enemies from air behind you
they are few issues to me that make the game way more random and "hard" than vt2 imo :
the anti camp : the first thing that is obvious between vt2 and DT is how hard devs tryed to make consistent flow and forbid you to camp, they litteraly put doors and spawners EVERYWHERE , meaning the flow between vt2 and DT is completely different : in vt2 you can prepare when horde come, camp in a corner or on a known spawn then move forward.
In DT you are in a much permanent state of awareness due to the fact ennemies can pop litteraly from everywhere.
the others issues are since vt2 but in far more outrageous state : stagger/animation issues.
See, like you said, when ennemies are in falling animation they basicaly are immune to stagger, problem is ennemies in DT fall/ do mega jump in way more places.
On top of that the thing i struggle the most is that trash/mid trash horde ennemies ( walkers/poxwalkers/ guys with mace etc ) have the same annoying running attack animation that in vt2 to prevent running away to cheese.
Problem is animations are way longer, mobs runs way faster than you, and there is a kind of immune stagger to prevent them to hit you when the arm reach above their shoulder.
The way i find to deal with it is to juste face them and close the gaps as much as possible to avoid thoses animations
orchid venture
I did a hab dreyko once, and right before the final event, got a bug where it spawned a literal endless wave of poxwalkers. Didn't even stop the regular spawns during the event
shadow onyx
I did a hab dreyko once, and right before the final event, got a bug where it sp...
it happens in comms plex first event too, infinite stream of shotgunners/snipers until you take the elevator
cyan notch
they are few issues to me that make the game way more random and "hard" than vt2...
yea i agree its really stupid that they impose such garbage cheese for trash adds in melee that just running attack spam you and they have the range of vt2 berserkers
wet belfry
Oh ye comms plex is evil
orchid venture
Not even like that, it was like, a tremendous, computer lagging amount of pox walkers
frank hazel
I do get frustrated when I'm running away to get cover and dudes are whacking me in the back
cyan notch
the spawning enemies everywhere i just accepted it at this point they just want to you to spin around all the time and fine ill just do it
orchid venture
If i hit the spawn point directly with a voidstrike, it was like clipping my audio, loud as hell
frigid marten
Still don’t sound as a bug. It sound like a design problem. The director do what they told him to do.
orchid venture
Hell, only reason we actually managed to do anything is cause i had a voidstrike with transfer peril
frigid marten
“Spawn stuff here” “ok sah”
shadow onyx
yea i agree its really stupid that they impose such garbage cheese for trash add...
man 90 % of my chip comes from the melee guys doing the run animation and silly me i think " ok i just push" but no the hit i still applyed
cyan notch
i think they made spawning and melee so egregious compared to vt2 is cuz how much stronger our ranged options are and the fact that we have 1 free hit from toughness and sprint/slide
orchid venture
Match end said we killed 3000 enemies by the end of it
cyan notch
they were like hmm this is too easy lets crank shit up so they inevitably take damage
shadow onyx
another annoying stuff is when i play psyker, i'm often at high peril and i cant listen warning fx sound because of the voices
orchid venture
I wish i had a video of it, we fought that hoard for about 2 minutes up on the cliff, didn't slow it a single bit
cyan notch
always the stupid desert maps
orchid venture
It was fun as hell though, love the sound a voidstrike makes cutting though a hoard
cyan notch
refinery and excise vaults are insane
orchid venture
That one desert repair mission is always non-stop
shadow onyx
refinery is so cancer, i avoid it
shadow onyx
Vertical part of maps are always fucked up
yeah becauses devs have a broken spawn/aggro stuff so you pull up the entire map when you aggro mobs on the stairs
fierce sinew
there's fucked up and then there's duplicates spawning inside each other where did my frames go why is the sound cutting out fucked up
frigid marten
They spawn above or under but they just jump/drop instead of running
cyan notch
game spawns ambient elites and above you and guess what horde comes everything gets pulled
frigid marten
Also they shoot between stairs
shadow onyx
yeah blood right, you spawn 1 or 2 more room above on top of that
thats why you have a shit ton of ennemies
i'm pretty sure its because of the teleport doors spawn system
cyan notch
yea that shit is dumb as hell too
shadow onyx
the area of aggro is not only related to an area around the ennemy but to the spawners too i guess
orchid venture
hab dreyko on higher difficulties tends to get pretty unmanagable
fierce sinew
the circus door thing is extra disconcerting when your vet's wallhack is active and you watch it happen
shadow onyx
hab dreyko on higher difficulties tends to get pretty unmanagable
did hab dreyko t5 HI once, never again
cyan notch
any time you have to go up multiple vertical levels its a pain
orchid venture
honestly, before I test my mettle against t5 missions, i kinda want some weapon buffs first
fierce sinew
t5 is fun
cyan notch
all the spawns plus enemies shooting you through cracks in the stairs
cyan notch
honestly, before I test my mettle against t5 missions, i kinda want some weapon ...
you can try some low intensity damnations
orchid venture
i dont like being pigeonholed into using specific weapons because they're better. Unless, that weapon is extremely fun
only example i can think of is Flaming Flail on Sienna
shadow onyx
any time you have to go up multiple vertical levels its a pain
the psy worst ennemy cant bb from there
wet belfry
I feel like even with bad weapons with enough pratice you can do damnation.
orchid venture
the railing thing HAS to be a bug, right?
cyan notch
pretty sure its just oversight
wet belfry
This game actually really needed a diffuculty higher then damnation.
Diffuculty overall in the game was slightly an oversight
there should have been a middle ground between tier 3 and 4
orchid venture
i mean, it's higher difficulty is High Intensity modifier
wet belfry
Ye it just doesnt consistently sadly show up.
shadow onyx
I feel like even with bad weapons with enough pratice you can do damnation.
the thing is t5 are very variable, sometimes its easier than even a T3 HI , sometimes you get 5 crushers+ 3 bulwars + 4 ragers poping 5 m away and you regret to meme with pistol
orchid venture
hopefully we get a way to force it to show up eventually
hearty blaze
You get less "I am probably not ready for it, but I will try the next diff anyway" on t5. And after the first horde you know if it will work 😉
fierce sinew
the gap between 3 and 4 definitely "feels" the biggest, even though it's linear
shadow onyx
or you get like 50 dreg shooters
it happens everytimes, thats why i always take AB 30 feat and x6 wp stacks, because the dot are applyed from a great distance and you 100 to 0 them with sb
orchid venture
i mean, i know I'm good enough to do damnation, it's just that those really intense missions wear me out pretty quickly
fierce sinew
I have a hard time getting some of my friends to do 5 with me who can do 4 just fine, because they imagine the jump to be impossible
cyan notch
i feel like dt leans way too much into ranged combat its like a 70/30 ranged vs melee
orchid venture
there IS a jump there, but it's a much more managable jump than one would think
hearty blaze
Yes, and if you have "randoms" who just stay back and wait for .. someone else to advance, that gets problematic fast
fierce sinew
the play pattern doesn't change much between 4 and 5, but I think 3 to 4 it does
fierce sinew
that's the difference I think
shadow onyx
the most noticeable thing in t5 is the density of spawns + breakpoints due to higher hp pool, beside that nothing really change
fierce sinew
4 is when it's not really safe to ignore enemies anymore
prior to that you can let a shooter be and live your life
shadow onyx
where you get like 20 shooters spawning in t4 you often get 30 or 40 in t5
fierce sinew
I think the way you move through the map is basically the same in 4 and 5, it just takes longer to kill things
shadow onyx
4 is when it's not really safe to ignore enemies anymore
thats why i love FS, the ability to spam dodge indefinitely is a huge advantage imo
cyan notch
idk if i want a difficulty after damnation if they are just gonna crank up number of shooters and damage they do to toughness
orchid venture
theres that one drop in hab dreyko, where theres a med station immediately to the right, that ALWAYS has like, 50 ranged guys all taking cover absolutely everywhere, I very much dislike the little game you have to play with them before it's safe to go down there
cyan notch
oh i got shot once guess i have 0 toughness time to clear this room methodically for 10mins
shadow onyx
unless they polish the spawn/aggro and adjust/tweaks some stuff i dont wanna t6 too
fierce sinew
yeah, an approach to difficulty more nuanced than "33% more hp and you can't get shot ever" would be nice
I appreciate the intensity modifiers filling that space sort of
orchid venture
I would feel much better about the ranged enemies being so much of a threat if the ability to dodge them with sidesteps and slides worked more than 50% of the time
rose lily
alright my psyker now has %55 damage reduction (gunners), i am now a god
wet belfry
alright my psyker now has %55 damage reduction (gunners), i am now a god
It only applys to elite gunners, reapers.
💀
cyan notch
get shot once -> screen goes black + take chunks of hp damage + stops sprint + suppressed + knocked out of ads
fierce sinew
it applies to literally the enemy type "gunner" yeah
shadow onyx
alright my psyker now has %55 damage reduction (gunners), i am now a god
shotgunner pop
intensifie
i took my psy voice just for shotgunners
regal musk
Hrmm .. Maybe i should try out that Antax. Thanks Big E ...
regal musk
Never had an Antax before, so dunno if that'll even be an issue lol
shadow onyx
antax is so great its ok
but dump stats are cleave target and mobility imo
first target definitely play a role when it comes to os shooters
regal musk
As long as i hit em in the head, one shots em well enough. Body shot leave sthem with like 50 hp lol
ornate hamlet
I love when the game works https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/QhSmC7CbhEHpu/dCEejXDrBmZF?invite=cr-MSwwY2ksMTYwMDY1NDYwLA
I have no idea what my second lightning does
But it sure doesn't stun that dreg
orchid venture
If you can get an antax with brutal momentum at a decently high level, that weapon is very much on par with a power sword, or even better than it
ornate hamlet
If you can get an antax with brutal momentum at a decently high level, that weap...
Yeah antax is on par with power sword
:>
orchid venture
I mean, i wouldn't know i guess, i haven't made a veteran yet
ornate hamlet
Psword will one-shot like 6-10 poxwalkers per swing
regal musk
Exalted gave it T1 Headtaker. Much sadge.
ornate hamlet
Antax will one-shot 1
But Antax is better vs armor and doesn't require charge
But its cleave damage is absolutely trash
lucid horizon
for real?
orchid venture
I'll try out a power sword eventually, but veteran very much didn't interest me, so I'm leveling it last
regal musk
lmao. Switched the perk over to 20% Flak damage. 295 bodyshot to a scab shooter ~_~
a single WC or stack of Headtaker will let me one shot them though
Irony is that it then struggles on dreg shooters lmao
idle bay
So this is "next week"... so Sunday is a day for community update ? 🙂
orchid venture
dude appends the word anime to the end of every tenor gif they search for
fierce sinew
But its cleave damage is absolutely trash
cleave damage is literally what people use it for
orchid venture
Also, i think Catfish said Friday
cyan notch
friday is dangerously close to next week
floral solstice
Also, i think Catfish said Friday
okay but which month
ornate hamlet
cleave damage is literally what people use it for
Guess I'll link it again https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/Qo5hxRKdxFD5V/EvO8sAFsgPQX?invite=cr-MSxjSmQsMTYwMDY1NDYwLA
regal musk
Every day past today is dangerously close to next week tbf
fierce sinew
Are you memeing or do you actually not know how the weapon is used
ornate hamlet
Are you going to prove me wrong or just say things
fierce sinew
proceeding on the assumption that you actually don't know, you use the push attack
not the light or heavy
in particular, psyker has faster stamina regen than other classes and doesn't need it to block (because of peril block feat)
so we can spam the push attack
horde mobs are basically stunlocked and cleaved to death
a good one kills everyone in front of you in a line
big horizontal cut
fierce sinew
it is class specific synergy yes
floral solstice
that's probably what the confusion is between u guys
fierce sinew
you'll have to forgive my assumption of psyker use case in the psyker channel
orchid venture
That method is also the only reason knife is effective on psyker at higher levels lmao
It's push attack does heavy attack damage, and really rapidly too
floral solstice
i've seen knife vets and knife psyks struggle with mutants kek
unless i have a really good one i'd never consider using one tbh
orchid venture
i mean, ive seen ogryn and zealots struggle with mutants too
ornate hamlet
Push attacks having different cleave than normal attacks. Fatshark quality.
floral solstice
at least knife zealots will burst those faster
ornate hamlet
Alright yeah that definitely puts it up the list on cleave
floral solstice
also zealot has better kit for using knives in general
cyan notch
Push attacks having different cleave than normal attacks. Fatshark quality.
i think thats just an antax outlier tbh
fierce sinew
Push attacks having different cleave than normal attacks. Fatshark quality.
you'll notice the push attack isn't mentioned in the cleave targets stat
cyan notch
its push attack is just so silly
fierce sinew
(brutal momentum also makes cleave kind of a joke anyway)
ornate hamlet
you'll notice the push attack isn't mentioned in the cleave targets stat
That stat also has nothing to do with the actual damage you do on cleave, just how many targets you hit.
fierce sinew
right, I'm saying the push attack isn't (apparently) governed by the stat at all
it plays by its own rules
fierce sinew
our use case also gets to take advantage of limbsplitter
orchid venture
i mean, that's kind of a staple for weapons in Vermintide 2. the push attack usually has different attributes than your regular attacks, or even a different angle that isn't covered. like Greatsword on Kruber or Saltz is all horizontal swings, but the push attack makes it vertical, and gives it decent armor pen
fierce sinew
it's just a weirdly synergistic weapon for psyker specifically
ornate hamlet
I'm trying it on Zealot and it works fine
shadow onyx
i think thats just an antax outlier tbh
i think too, normaly it take light cleave values
ornate hamlet
Zealot stam regen is fast enough to spam push attacks
fierce sinew
I do think it's one of the better melee weapons in the game just numerically
orchid venture
yeah, but zealot needs the stamina to block, psyker doesn't
fierce sinew
zealots need the stamina to sprint
ornate hamlet
You don't need to block if you're stunlocking the horde
fierce sinew
I'm pretty sure most of them don't have a block key bound
orchid venture
good luck having a push stagger a crusher/mauler/rager reliably
cyan notch
antax push attack does stagger
orchid venture
i mean, it staggers, all attacks do
orchid venture
is that what it's used for? huh
cyan notch
i mean, it staggers, all attacks do
no i mean crushers maulers ragers like u said
fierce sinew
take it to the meatgrinder and see
orchid venture
ah, thats what you mean. I haven't used an antax in awhile since I finished getting penances on my zealot
fierce sinew
if you look at the screencap of mine above you can see the description of it
I don't know if "ignores stagger reduction" is literally true, this is fatshark
orchid venture
i mean, i cant test that stagger out against ragers in the meat grinder, ragers attack animations tend to have a much higher stagger cap than idle standing
fierce sinew
but it definitely helps armored friends relax
cyan notch
it does stagger ragers when theyre attacking
thats why its a horde blender
can deal with everything
orchid venture
if only the game would deign me worthy of having a good antax on my psyker
regal musk
Id give you mine if i could
cyan notch
you just need brutal momentum
orchid venture
that's what it's not giving me
fierce sinew
yeah brutal momentum + limbsplitter is the dream but brutal momentum is the main thing
orchid venture
i wish I could just use the one my zealot got as an emperors gift
the mods aren't great, but it still shreds everything
orchid venture
oh nah i ran out of plasteel lol
cyan notch
ok good
fierce sinew
yeah that's definitely an "I'm out of ribbons" perk
orchid venture
not really sure what to put on that perk slot though. it doesn't struggle with pox walkers or groaners, and the Thunderous makes it shred crushers n such
ornate hamlet
Gotta max the damage against the 0 flak armored specials
shadow onyx
fierce sinew
I like maniac or unyielding, you should test breakpoints with your specific one though
shadow onyx
More damage = gooder
vs maniac on top = gooderer
ornate hamlet
Breakpoints is nice in a vacuum but in game you don't usually 100-0 enemies on your own
After all you might get this guy https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/R59TJCkqVeg6k/syO3ZsMkb3pk?invite=cr-MSxtSWwsMTYwMDY1NDYwLA
cyan notch
Gotta max the damage against the 0 flak armored specials
bomber is flak i think
orchid venture
that dude is a trooper, that's for sure
fierce sinew
yeah, it's not the be all end all, but a reasonable criterion to decide things like what your second perk should be
orchid venture
hmm... either i get maniac for muties, or infested for dogs, with the added benefit of mowing through pox walkers a little faster
fierce sinew
unyielding for ogryn
nocturne badge
when you really don't like your own brain
shadow onyx
based
fierce sinew
my axe for example, when I have unyielding on it I kill bulwarks in one headshot after the bb that makes them move the shield
orchid venture
unyielding, so I regret not taking a thunder hammer just a little bit less (:
still hearth
my axe for example, when I have unyielding on it I kill bulwarks in one headshot...
This is definitely an important benchmark
fierce sinew
bulwarks and mutants are some of the enemies I think it's not unreasonable to care about solo damage breakpoints
it is kind of sad to see basic axe heavy attack doing as much damage (or substantially more if crit) than bb
ornate hamlet
playing with 3 vets on my team is pure cancer
they never stay in coherency
they just run off to hide behind me it's so pathetic
uneven drift
Well, in my experience playing 3+ same classes in team is cancer 90% of the time.
nocturne badge
the other 10% is three ogryn
ornate hamlet
Well, in my experience playing 3+ same classes in team is cancer 90% of the time...
nah dude, psykers tend to work together, and as much as i usually dislike most ogryn player's playstyle, they're a lot more helpful than 3 vets lol
uneven drift
the other 10% is three ogryn
Nah, usually it's 3 Ogryns with shield.
ornate hamlet
lol i'd rather have 3 ogryn with shield dude, at least you'll have coherency for toughness regen
vets just KITE enemies to your back
like they're trying to get u killed
fierce sinew
multiple psykers getting charges from each others' AB and rotating shouts is a laugh and a half
regal musk
Or worse, run and hide behind you after triggering a wave ... And then stand still to trigger the camo ...
ornate hamlet
4 psyker party is actually strong honestly
fierce sinew
6 charges again before your shout animation is even over lmao
ornate hamlet
play with 3 vets, you'll have every single enemy on the map going for you
regal musk
Hrmmmm
ornate hamlet
EVERY ranged enemy will be shooting you when you've got 3 vets with you
and they never melee them, so ALL of them are in ranged attack mode
fierce sinew
the camo thing they can do is pretty troll if they all do it yeah
regal musk
Any Surge enjoyers lemme know if thats an alright stat roll for it?
wet belfry
Its a meh staff
floral solstice
i wouldn't use it
wet belfry
Bad actually if you consider all the bugs.
fierce sinew
you can get away with skimping a little bit on warp res or quell speed depending on your melee weapon, but probably not both
regal musk
Its a Surge. I wont be using it any time soon, but the Big E decided i needed to have it, so now i do. Just wondering if its actually worth using if they do make it feel better to us elol
I usually run Force Sword.
fierce sinew
if you're using force sword I think you'll probably have peril problems with that staff
ornate hamlet
Hrmmmm
the warp resist being kinda low is ok, but that super low quel speed is a problem, and it's not a very high base stat roll
personally i wouldn't use it
regal musk
Irony is that its the best one i have right now lol. All the rest of my Surges are random greens ive been grabbing out of the shop when nothing else of value iis in there.
I dont plan to use it any time soon, but id rather have a decent one just in case
keen harbor
damage does nothing important on the lightning staff
regal musk
Trialling it in the meat grinder ... I really dont understand the love people have for this thing lol
Fully charged crits on a Crusher does about 700~ damage, which is nice i g uess, may as well just use a BB at that point lol.
ornate hamlet
Trialling it in the meat grinder ... I really dont understand the love people ha...
People usually circlejerk the crusher/dog stopping ability but like... just kill them?
Like, just brainburst them. Or hit them with your melee. That works too
wet belfry
It can stun hounds, mutants.
regal musk
I get that people like the stun, but .. I find the Purgatus primary stagger locks practically everything in front of me anyways
ornate hamlet
Yeah, purg will stop a surprising amount of stuff too
regal musk
Purgatus at least only costs 4 Peril per primary to get that stagger too lol
cyan notch
People usually circlejerk the crusher/dog stopping ability but like... just kill...
its mainly for stopping a bunch of ogryns rushing your team and shooters
ornate hamlet
its mainly for stopping a bunch of ogryns rushing your team and shooters
The vet or zealot usually stops that handily enough tbh
gilded cloud
Any Surge enjoyers lemme know if thats an alright stat roll for it?
You want more quell speed and warp resistance. Those 2 and charge rate is what you want the most of. 2 of those 3 are kinda bad
Also, you're in the same boat as me rn. You're not level 30 yet it seems. I would not worry too much about stats rn until you get to level 30
regal musk
You want more quell speed and warp resistance. Those 2 and charge rate is what y...
Thanky for the tip. Ill throw this into deep storage unless i get desperate.
regal musk
Also, you're in the same boat as me rn. You're not level 30 yet it seems. I woul...
I'm 130 hours deep on my Psyker, if i wasnt 30 i'd be very confused lol
gilded cloud
Then you can find a good staff with a modifier rating of like 370-380
gilded cloud
I'm 130 hours deep on my Psyker, if i wasnt 30 i'd be very confused lol
Oh really? The modifier rating is lower than I expected
regal musk
Ive seen some weird shit with that rating
regal musk
Then you can find a good staff with a modifier rating of like 370-380
RNG shop be willing, of course 😛
gilded cloud
RNG shop be willing, of course 😛
Then yeah in that case. I'd just wait still but if you got loads of money, you can always buy what blessings are good in general. Maybe there will be a way to swap them or extract them or something one day. But who knows
regal musk
Speaking of the rating being all sorts of whack ... Upgrading this staff from purpole to yellow somehow drops the modifer rating .. Despite the numbers not changing at all
Not an isolated case either, does the same thing with the Antax
cyan notch
The vet or zealot usually stops that handily enough tbh
not all the time and depends on their weapons
regal musk
So randojm question.
The damage stat line for Purgatus mentions "Burning Intensity".
It doesnt seem to incrtease the damage of the DoT, so what it is it doing?
Only thing i can think of is maybe reducing the interval between ticks?
cyan notch
flame direct damage tick rate i believe
regal musk
Thanky
still hearth
Yeah it shouldn't affect the DoT at all
ornate hamlet
not all the time and depends on their weapons
Youre not wrong
Its just that when it comes to Psyker staves I feel crowd control > stun considering how easy it is for Psykers to get overwhelmed in melee
When the chance is already pretty high your squaddies will be able to handle those specific threats in a timely manner (over half the zealots I see run thunder hammers or bolters, for example) it just does not feel worth at all
Plus when it comes to shooters the voidstrike can handle them just as easily, if not more so
Psychic bowling ball goes Strike!
manic needle
when you really don't like your own brain
I want this, just so I can test out how it feels compared to a high warp resistance staff
near wyvern
Its just that when it comes to Psyker staves I feel crowd control > stun conside...
how easy it is for Psykers to get overwhelmed in melee
Found the FS user
cyan notch
me
near wyvern
If you use any other melee with kinetic Deflection, all you need is wall against your back and push attack spam
steel vapor
does the emperor want me to start using force swords?
near wyvern
Knife for style points, Mk V brutal momentum axe for a dedicated option
forest coral
force swords are good once u get used to their pattern
near wyvern
force swords are good once u get used to their pattern
Good? Yes. Best against horde? No
ornate hamlet
> how easy it is for Psykers to get overwhelmed in melee
Found the FS user
Literally just putting a fine point on the fact that Psyker cannot take as much damage as any of the other classes
Kinetic Deflection is good but also: shit happens
near wyvern
Literally just putting a fine point on the fact that Psyker cannot take as much ...
WDYM I can tank a Daemonhost at least on herecy
wet belfry
We have more stamina to avoid bad situations aswell
manic needle
A stacked FS is decent against hordes. A good Mk.5 Axe can trivialize them
wet belfry
Psyker isnt as tanky as a zealot but its ok.
near wyvern
I think the thing with FS that is undervalued by the community is the unlimited dodges it has
manic needle
Psyker isnt as tanky as a zealot but its ok.
Unless we're rescuing 😉
near wyvern
The range on the dodge is shit yes but it still functions the same vs ranged. You don't even have to have deflection on it to avoid ranged fire
Knife sprint slide spam also works really well to avoid ranged
pliant junco
Good? Yes. Best against horde? No
use your staff
fs is very good to nuke ragers, mutants or doggos
or clutch
warm meteor
Did we get anything new since release
manic needle
we got next week meme
The best content update
maiden knoll
- Go to the shooting range.
- shoot at things with a staff
- Shoot at things with guns
- Be shocked that staffs are vastly inferior
- Go back playing other classes
cyan notch
ok
manic needle
Hey guys, did you know that according to general chat, Flamer does INFINITE more damage than Purgatus?
mortal hornet
Not an isolated case either, does the same thing with the Antax
Sorry, but did I miss a memo, how this lovely fellow above got the proper skin for mkV?
warm meteor
That's awesome
manic needle
The whinge about Psyker is really meme tier at this point
warm meteor
Infinite damage
cyan notch
Sorry, but did I miss a memo, how this lovely fellow above got the proper skin f...
buy with dockets from dockets guy
manic needle
Infinite damage
Yeah apparently I should switch classes, infinite damage is a pretty nice feature
warm meteor
Wowzers
cyan notch
i dont think that word means what they think it means
warm meteor
Still uses ammo tho so pass
manic needle
Youd only need one bullet with infinte damage
warm meteor
No Cuz the flamer gotta be moved around to coat everything
manic needle
I just assume that you fire it once and then the flames seek out everything that spawns and instakills it
I can see why people are complaining that sounds pretty nice
wet belfry
Honestly i dont mind some fixes to psyker
But alot of how the complainers present it is just wrong.
Brainburst isnt terrible, its a viable thing to use.
manic needle
Warp Charges are the main thing that need help, alongside some obvious feat discrepancies
wet belfry
Psyker is squishy if you speak tougness/health but we are also far more mobile then many other classes.
manic needle
Does anyone take Meme In Motion at this point?
maiden knoll
BB falls off in higher difficulties
wet belfry
Warp Charges are the main thing that need help, alongside some obvious feat disc...
Ye i totaly agree with that.
steel vapor
Hey guys, did you know that according to general chat, Flamer does INFINITE more...
if you combine it with the zealot ultimate, thats actually true ^^ it melts crushers in 5 seconds
shadow onyx
even without F flamer is far more potent than purgatus
manic needle
IDK abut 5 seconds but the right purgatus can kill crushers or reapers/bulwarks from behind with one salvo
Kind of weird to build around though
shadow onyx
IDK abut 5 seconds but the right purgatus can kill crushers or reapers/bulwarks ...
repears or bulkies ok but crushers?
steel vapor
IDK abut 5 seconds but the right purgatus can kill crushers or reapers/bulwarks ...
no its actually 5 seconds, the F makes it so that carapace basically becomes flak
and you can kill 3 of them at the same time
maiden knoll
There is nothing a psykers can do another class can do better except damaging behind cover with bb and BB falls off
manic needle
Yeah I know a bit about the Zealots armor piercing cheese with ranged weapons, its crazy good
steel vapor
as someone who mains flamer zealot - i confirm this 100%
flamer zealot is a lifestyle
lethal folio
Psyker can ascendant blaze and wipe out a room of elites before the door is even open.
shadow onyx
There is nothing a psykers can do another class can do better except damaging be...
actualy with proper FS stats and build you clutch revive better than anybody
they should have rename the psyker into servitor because all you do is support others
maiden knoll
actualy with proper FS stats and build you clutch revive better than anybody
True I will give you that.
Force sword is my favorite melee weapon. My gripe is with survivability and ranged damage.
forest coral
antax v makes everything else feel meh as all rounder
shadow onyx
true
ornate hamlet
Y'all need more Knife
shadow onyx
you sleep too much on knife
cyan notch
i use knife for scrip runs
0 stam guard break is stupid though fs better fix that shit
maiden knoll
I play heavy evis on zealot
ornate hamlet
Just run a macro to block infinitely without peril
I wonder if that works on Fsword
But alas I get no Deflector
shadow onyx
0 stam guard break is stupid though fs better fix that shit
having 0 stam and 0 peril but still staggered
cyan notch
cant do that while ressing
ornate hamlet
cant do that while ressing
I mean you just need a little stam to ress with peril right
manic needle
I play heavy evis on zealot
I respect people who play Evisc on 4/5, its easy to feed with that weapon
ornate hamlet
Psyker has like 0.8s delay to get stamina
cyan notch
I mean you just need a little stam to ress with peril right
yea i meant the infinite block part
ornate hamlet
Fair. But you can just run both since the other feats in that line are kind of
Mid
Can someone test if you can reset the block break on Deflector Fsword?
floral solstice
I respect people who play Evisc on 4/5, its easy to feed with that weapon
well you dont unga bunga into gunner groups with evisc on t5 as much as knives etc. but otherwise evisc is pretty ezpz
when i see t5 crushers i drool
lethal folio
floral solstice
slicing them in half with one chastise use and 2 hits
manic needle
well you dont unga bunga into gunner groups with evisc on t5 as much as knives e...
I see a lot of people who run it end up feeding, which makes me sad. Most people say that the 1h Chainsword is better
ornate hamlet
Does it lock you out even if you swap to primary again? Shield is kinda of messed up like that on Ogryn but idk if you could just infinitely tank shots with a block swap macro on Psyker
floral solstice
tell them to slide better lol
the slow during evisc heavy is pretty much meh when you can just slide then heavy
lethal folio
Maybe.
manic needle
tell them to slide better lol
This is how I solve most complaints about mobility tbh
floral solstice
also evisc sweeps just demolishes clumped up shooters
floral solstice
lol what
ornate hamlet
The slower sprint speed is scuffed
floral solstice
you use slide first
ornate hamlet
But I'm use to Knife speed
floral solstice
not heavy - slide
hardy coral
i am horrible at blowing myself up. 
floral solstice
ehh
cyan notch
weird mechanic where taking damage regens stamina lol
manic needle
i am horrible at blowing myself up. <:ha:773577021551804479>
What ever happened to that guy who recommended running 3 wound curios on Damnation? lol
ornate hamlet
I feel the need to run a speedy gun to swap to just to live through Evisc slow speed.
floral solstice
prolly get more proficient with it and you'll see it's not so hard.
lethal folio
That's normal for vermintides.
floral solstice
that's code for get good but in a nice way
ornate hamlet
What ever happened to that guy who recommended running 3 wound curios on Damnati...
If you run 3 Wounds on Psyker your first wound is infinite so
hardy coral
What ever happened to that guy who recommended running 3 wound curios on Damnati...
i dunno. i only run hp.
ornate hamlet
Well as long as your total Wounds = 5 your first Wound will bug out
cyan notch
That's normal for vermintides.
to regen stamina on hit?
cyan notch
idk ive never seen it in vt2
when u get hit with 0 shields u just get rekt
no free shields
floral solstice
I feel the need to run a speedy gun to swap to just to live through Evisc slow s...
seems like you're just used to knife speed or something
it's really not as bad as some people say it is
floral solstice
i remember when they "fixed" evisc slow some people from zealot chat said that evisc is unusable in damnation
and then changed their opinions days later
ornate hamlet
Typical Zealots
floral solstice
maybe rainbow raging on them helped lol
ornate hamlet
Anything works on Zealot so who cares.
warm meteor
Unusable lol
manic needle
The hot takes people give are unreal
warm meteor
I think in general people tend to exaggerate when talking about viability
manic needle
Ive seen different people say that you wont be able to ever join a pub game on Damnation without Surge staff, and also that surge staff is useless on damnation with a good team
floral solstice
sometimes i just wonder if people are playing the same darktide as i am lol
golden tartan
I think in general people tend to exaggerate when talking about viability
Metaslave or bust 😛
floral solstice
or if they're playing sedition or malice or something
ornate hamlet
Everyone but me is clearly playing a different game.
warm meteor
Like in fighting games sometimes the different between top tier and bottom tier is like 5 percent win rate. Which makes so little difference unless ur like a tourney professional
golden tartan
The hot takes people give are unreal
My favourite.
"Reeeeeee i cant find a 380 XII lasgun game is unplayable"
warm meteor
I like lasguns
golden tartan
The number of players i see that get mad they cant get perfect rolls/blessings all the time is hilarious.
warm meteor
Pew pew
golden tartan
I get that for some weapons when u get limbsplitter or they really need a specific blessing
warm meteor
Lol
ornate hamlet
floral solstice
met someone from discord lfg once who literally only plays vet, and gatekeeped me by saying "knife-flamer is the only viable build in damnation, same with shield ogryns"
golden tartan
Legit argument against Thunder Hammer
Lol
wet belfry
Ive seen different people say that you wont be able to ever join a pub game on D...
To be fair there are people with surge staff that just keep on spamming it. Like ive seen times where instead of actually killing specials they stun them. Ex stunning a trapper over and over instead of dodgeing and killing it with brainburst. Theres also poxbursters, where they aswell frequently wont let you just knock it backwards with a bash.
ornate hamlet
Imagine a weapon that does 90% of a crusher's health in one attack and calling it bad.
golden tartan
met someone from discord lfg once who literally only plays vet, and gatekeeped m...
Lmao
Theres almost no nonviable weapons
wet belfry
Surge users can be legit annoying to play with at times.
golden tartan
And even the non viable ones can be used with difficulth
ornate hamlet
You can make all weapons in this game work. Some are just better than others though.
golden tartan
And some are easier than others
floral solstice
Surge users can be legit annoying to play with at times.
i dont think that's a surge problem, that's a player problem lol
ornate hamlet
Idk if running 4x Laspistol will be any good though
warm meteor
Surge is fun for stuns. Cuz they do a little dance
golden tartan
And some are just suited to some playstylez
golden tartan
Idk if running 4x Laspistol will be any good though
Ok there are bad combinations
That i will give u
wet belfry
i dont think that's a surge problem, that's a player problem lol
Indeed. Surge just gives them an outlet to do this.
manic needle
To be fair there are people with surge staff that just keep on spamming it. Like...
If Im going to Surge a Poxburster, Im BBing it right after, mixing up your attack types is just important to play Psyker well generally IMO.
golden tartan
But almost all weapons have a nichr and way to play them
lethal folio
4 psykers with laspistols just shoving everything around.
ornate hamlet
Laspistol lets you run fast
golden tartan
But obviously like 4 flamers on throneside is asking for trouble xD
manic needle
4 psykers with laspistols just shoving everything around.
Darktide true pacifist run 
golden tartan
Its a decent secondary to a slow melee
Its also usable on Vet
Theres a wacky build
ornate hamlet
Yeah but you could just run the XII
floral solstice
If Im going to Surge a Poxburster, Im BBing it right after, mixing up your attac...
bursters blow up on their own when you zap once while it's armed, they blow when they get up
ornate hamlet
And do the same thing but better
golden tartan
Yeah but you could just run the XII
Actually it has an upside over XII
golden tartan
Close range dps + mobility/dodges
golden tartan
Because for that build u have high crit chance
golden tartan
Oh yea
manic needle
bursters blow up on their own when you zap once while it's armed, they blow when...
Yeah but I often end up surging before they get close enough to arm for various reasons
golden tartan
It has ammo isssues but its still like an autogun
Its ammo reserves is sufficient
Just not excessive
ornate hamlet
It feels like a sidearm
golden tartan
As it should
golden tartan
Sidearm = better at shooting on the move + close range situatiobs
ornate hamlet
Doesn't it still do less damage than XII in close range though
golden tartan
XII has lower crit chance
And does not like cqc as much
Since it has worse dodges
ornate hamlet
Fair. Still awful
golden tartan
It also has damage reduction at close range
Thr main problem with the laspistol is it gives you CTS lol
lethal crown
main benefit to laspistol is the extra headshot damage multiplier that stacks with vet headshot damage multiplier
ornate hamlet
Give Laspistol infinite dodges
golden tartan
It has a lot tbh
lethal folio
ghost helps with that
golden tartan
I can literally shoot while in melee
lethal folio
just keep hitting heads
manic needle
I admit that I ran laspistol at low levels before I got a good staff
lethal crown
its not a very "good" weapon but it is satisfying to use when you figure out how to keep moving while landing headshots
body shots... it does very little damage
golden tartan
Laspistol for psyker is ok if u run force sword i suppose
manic needle
Yeah thats what I did, it was mostly for dealing with ranged while running to cover while ADSing
golden tartan
I believe a good laspistol will one tap shooters in the head at close range?
Which is very good
lethal crown
at any range
golden tartan
Nah laspistol has damage falloff
lethal folio
pretty harsh falloff actually
lethal crown
the headshot damage multiplier is pretty crazy though
golden tartan
Zoom zoom zoooooom
cyan notch
doesnt even have the stupid efficiency blessing so they can say OH NO SO WE MAKE IT USE 1 AMMO WHEN YOU HAVE THIS
just inflates the ammo count artificially
ornate hamlet
maiden knoll
What ever happened to that guy who recommended running 3 wound curios on Damnati...
He quit from dying too much
manic needle
"That's my secret, I'm always dead."
ornate hamlet
If you don't die intentionally so you go down to 1 Wound then what's the point.
I advocate for the funny meme that having 5 Wounds with base HP on Psyker lets you die infinitely on the first Wound
Because this game can't round numbers.
So as long as you take no corruption after that
Infinite Wounds
manic needle
This person advocated strategically exploding as an offensive strategy and intentionally downing yourself to heal.
ornate hamlet
I only agree to the latter part but lmao exploding yourself offensively
Running 3 Wound curios on Damnation can be a fun thing because you can explode safely to get HP back but also take any point of corruption after that and you're fucked
manic needle
Running 3 Wound curios on Damnation can be a fun thing because you can explode s...
Your average pub veteran when they see a daemonhost: 🔫 👀
grizzled jasper
🔦 👀
ornate hamlet
I just ask my team if they want to do the DH
manic needle
Communication is for WEAKLINGS
violet thorn
Im going to smack its ass
manic needle
True Darktiders only use the mic to yell at people when they die
violet thorn
AND NO ONE CAN STOP ME
cyan notch
then they just leave you to die
ornate hamlet
I'll just infinitely tank it with my Knife
Drag it into my team
Now its everyone's problem
cyan notch
vote kicked u turn into a bot
ornate hamlet
vote kicked u turn into a bot
Time to quickplay back into the game
manic needle
On a different character so you can do it again
cyan notch
actually after tanking for long enough itll just disappear lol
manic needle
Well thats interesting
If it werent for the corruption gain Id be tempted to try that out in a pub or two with a non-force melee
ornate hamlet
That has to be quite a long time for it to disappear on its own
cyan notch
happened like 2 or 3 times to me idk if it was a bug
ornate hamlet
It can also teleport into a spot it can't be in and instantly die afaik
I've not seen it but someone claimed it can happen
cyan notch
im pretty sure it did the disappear into portal animation
ornate hamlet
It was just bored so it left.
manic needle
mood
Real talk though I hope they patch things up soon, I dont think DT is in a great place right now but the game still has potential
idle bay
Real talk though I hope they patch things up soon, I dont think DT is in a great...
Potential to go both ways really. It may not be financially feasible to do all the drastic changes that game needs. That what scares me.
steel vapor
Are these any good on psykers? Havent been brainboi for long...
manic needle
Realistically with a live service model they have options, some of those are more palatable than others though
manic needle
Are these any good on psykers? Havent been brainboi for long...
Mk. 5 is what you want for a Psyker
steel vapor
Mk. 5 is what you want for a Psyker
What are the differences?
manic needle
The push counterattack is the main draw, it deals decent damage unlike the other variants
Psyker's uniquely short stamina regeneration delay lets you spam it fairly consistently for strong, relatively safe horde clear
shadow onyx
What are the differences?
better hitbox
but its basicaly the same
except MK2
utterly bad hit tracking
modest edge
🙂
wet jacinth
wet jacinth
Just shows you
Discord team for Darktide > dev team for darktide
But fatshark is already known to be slow as fucc
steel vapor
Discord team for Darktide > dev team for darktide
is it the discord team or the warhammer community tho?
leaden dune
steel vapor
btw i bought this one from melk earlier, what perks would be best for it?
steel vapor
Uncanny strike is alright
i mean perk - i can either upgrade one or change it
blessings are what they are for now i guess
ornate hamlet
Aren't those perks pretty good
steel vapor
Aren't those perks pretty good
idk if carapace is good - in any case, one of them goes from 20 to 25
ornate hamlet
Force Sword does nice charged damage on Carapace
Not amazing but its something.
I mostly use my fsword to shove crushers on their butt though
wet jacinth
steel vapor
yo i think if i upgrade to +25 carapace
i will be able to 2-shot crushers on damnation
manic needle
Slaughterer is pretty hot for Horde clear
steel vapor
i barely cant at 20%
manic needle
Bloodthirster is probably really good too, but good luck finding it
wet jacinth
Imean those are blessings.
manic needle
Well you see
floral solstice
what does bloodthirster do again
manic needle
I cant read and always read perks as blessings
100% of the time every time
So if you think about it, this is your fault
manic needle
what does bloodthirster do again
100% crit chance for 5 sec after special attack kill
wet jacinth
okay so 75% of the time i 2-shot crushers
Are you running flayerM
steel vapor
might change flak to maniac?
wet jacinth
Flayer can proc on the special too so gotta take it into account despite the low chance
steel vapor
still 2 shots it seems
wet jacinth
Still funny to me flayer can trigger BB itself
gray pendant
for ascendant blaze in the second part of the description
when it says enemies killed by your soulblaze effects (from any source) does that mean purg staff too?
so any kill with the purg staff gives a 10% chance for a warp charge
steel egret
Well
steel vapor
sounds too good to be true
leaden flare
so for the voidstriker staff, is it better to charge up every shot or just spamm heavy attack as fast as u can
steel egret
The direct damage and on side burn caused by charged attack is a bit unclear if its
Soulblaze aswell
manic needle
so for the voidstriker staff, is it better to charge up every shot or just spamm...
I hate spamming minimum charge shots, it just knocks most enemies around without dealing real damage
steel egret
If someone can confirm would appreciate
leaden flare
ait thats enof for me lol, ty
steel egret
Not sure how you would confirm this
manic needle
for ascendant blaze in the second part of the description
when it says enemies k...
To be clear, what Ascendant Blaze actually does is makes it so that anytime an enemy dies while it has a stack of soulblaze on it from any source, every single psyker with the feat has a 10% chance to gain a stack of warp charge
floral solstice
isn't soulblaze just the DoT effect you apply
steel egret
Yes
floral solstice
and im guessing the stream from rmb is a ranged attack that applies soulblaze
idk not sure about that bit
steel egret
Hence why its " is the direct damage and held charge burn also soulblaze" I would say no.
forest coral
so for the voidstriker staff, is it better to charge up every shot or just spamm...
Whatever let’s you hold down a choke infinitely
floral solstice
yeah i would say no too
steel egret
and im guessing the stream from rmb is a ranged attack that applies soulblaze
It ticks dot and same time build up damage.
floral solstice
yes sir
manic needle
Purgatus has a Direct damage effect which also applies soulblaze. If the direct damage crits, two stacks of soulblaze get applied instead of one. I'm fairly sure that's how it works, anyway.
floral solstice
anyway, important thing is what levanon said previously
as long as something with soulblaze dies
steel egret
Yeah but direct damage itself is not soulblaze nor the charge build up damage
gray pendant
To be clear, what Ascendant Blaze *actually* does is makes it so that anytime an...
oh ez day
floral solstice
it's just fatshark doing fatshark feat description things
steel egret
They could if they bothered explain these clearer.
But in my books its just the dot rest is.. some other type of flame.
gray pendant
i mean when i run purg it feels like if we encounter literally any group of enemies im instantly at 4 warp charges
steel egret
I dont think you can damage with purga without applying dot anyway
manic needle
The purgatus's damage stat also affects the tick rate of the direct damage effect, right? That means, unless I'm misunderstanding exactly how soulblaze gets applied, I dont fully agree with damage stat being a dump stat on purgatus.
Damage stat should affect how quickly enemies accumulate stacks of soulblaze
gray pendant
yeah i think it does a little maybe
unless thats all burn
i thought burn was like dot tick size
steel egret
Apply rate
gray pendant
so how long in between ticks
steel egret
Yeah
floral solstice
levanon here accidentally leaking a link to his lewd photos jk
manic needle
I need to log in at some point and inspect the staff's effects more closely again
manic needle
levanon here accidentally leaking a link to his lewd photos jk
"accidentally" 😉
gray pendant
Wait you can put on 14 stacks
manic needle
15 with a staff that has 76% or better on the burn stat
gray pendant
Damn i didn't know thats how it works
floral solstice
dont worry
manic needle
Yeah Im not really a purgatus main so I dont know as much about the staff as I probably should
floral solstice
fatshark doesnt want us to know how things work in general
manic needle
Yeah its very cool game design, obscuring core mechanics so you cant figure out wtf your shit does and what you should look for
floral solstice
cut their one intern some slack, he's doing his best to write all item and feat descriptions
manic needle
Damn i didn't know thats how it works
Also the actual cap for soulblaze stacks is much higher, into the low thirties IIRC. Its just that the staff can only apply stacks up to a special cap determined by its burn stat
west galleon
Did i miss the toxic part again
west galleon
Thats a cool blessing
manic needle
the staff itself is meh but thats an extremely rare blessing that I can transfer eventually.
west galleon
Ye, trauma is the one staff i cant warm up to, maybe if they removed the range restriction
Or increased the aoe
ornate hamlet
Trauma needs to be less AoE but it should all do max damage.
manic needle
Trauma is alright, but that one in particular isnt fantastic
ornate hamlet
Trauma is alright at using all your peril in two shots and doing less damage than spamming Voidstrike
west galleon
Rly? I feel dumb charging up that staff and realising that i wont actually be in range of that gunner i wanted to stagger
ornate hamlet
Just shoot them with primary
west galleon
But i like to charge up the secondary strike
manic needle
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@austere estuary Picked up something you might find interesting, without even realizing I had it
ornate hamlet
I need Surge and Run n Gun
austere estuary
Aaah, Surge on Trauma…
I’ve not got one but heard it doesn’t work on the secondary 
If they make it do that, it’ll be really fun
manic needle
Blessings not working on staffs in the way that they should is basically Psyker's class theme tbh
austere estuary
True 
ornate hamlet
Blessings not working on staffs in the way that they should is basically Psyker'...
Things not working the way the should is basically this game* FIFY.
manic needle
Ill test it out at some point and see if I can get it to work on the secondary
A bit on the late side for me to be doing that now, but soon
manic needle
Depends on what youre using as a ranged weapon, really
manic needle
Well Id switch out Psykinetic's Wrath for Inner Tranquility as a start
Everything else is fairly solid for a KB build, I still would base your level 5 perk on what staff youre using though
Since even going for the penance you probably wont just be spamming BB nonstop
Going for 6 stacks using Warp Battery is also viable with Inner Tranquility
hoary hearth
I usually play with sugre but now I'm trying out voidstrike
manic needle
I like Flayer on Voidstrike too, I got Pick 'n' Mix using my regular build with that staff IIRC
hoary hearth
Going for 6 stacks using Warp Battery is also viable with Inner Tranquility
But it won't really matter since you either one shot specials or you don't and the time if VERY limited to do it
manic needle
It would mostly be to minimize the peril generation from BB, but its probably not absolutely necessary considering I did it with a 2-2-1-1-3-3- build
hoary hearth
It wouldn't be that much. you'd still have to do the whole rotation
bb>bb>F>bb>bb>bb
manic needle
Ive definitely killed 5 or more elites in under the time limit using KB at the start of a chain of bursts, but that way is viable
hoary hearth
Don'y you have like 0.5 sec of spare time?
with how long it take to actually cast bb
manic needle
With 2 regular BB's in the rotation you're actually tightening your grace period
Im pretty sure you can get 4 BBs off in a single KB
rocky cedar
5
manic needle
There you go
hoary hearth
so just F and then spam bb?
rocky cedar
I've definitely gotten 5
floral solstice
1 regular bb before barrage is more efficient imo especially if the enemies are not aggroed yet
shadow onyx
bb should deal slightly more dmg
manic needle
Might as well, since the timer doesnt start until your first kill
shadow onyx
personaly beyond t4 i use mostly bb to keep my wp stacks and bulwarks
floral solstice
plus you actually get to quell extra peril after hitting F because you used a regular one before
rocky cedar
personaly beyond t4 i use mostly bb to keep my wp stacks and bulwarks
And snipers, as well as bombers and trappers trying to run away
ornate hamlet
BB one-shots the things you need to and staggers plenty others.
shadow onyx
sniper are behind a fence so i cant aim it
manic needle
and gunners/shotgunners depending on loadout
shadow onyx
bomber and trappers yes
rocky cedar
Oh yeah shotgunners and gunners, definitely those guys too
shadow onyx
i have purgatus i dont care of ragers
ornate hamlet
Angry bois are for Zealots and Ogryns anyway