any las pistol fans in here?
#psyker-class
crystal jolt
nocturne badge
You can meme with laspistol cause the special attack generates peril to keep your damage reduction up
Other than that, they have a +15% base crit chance, and you can fire while sprinting with them without run and gun blessing as long as you fire below max rof
wet jacinth
Laspistol when you want lasgun but budget and weak.
In exchange you have mobility/push
So far majority don't really care about mobility for ranged weapons though
digital narwhal
Reckon I could make something of this?
wet jacinth
Given blessings work (currently) for both weapons (with some exceptions iirc but don't quote me on that)
You could also use that blessing for whatever your second weapon is
Thinking about it. Shred would work for my purgatus staff
No wonder why it feels nicer with my chainsword
median terrace
quick question
what the hell do i need to do to get close to 380 rolls in the store
im level 30 and the highest ive seen is 350
digital narwhal
what the hell do i need to do to get close to 380 rolls in the store
Get lucky.
ancient ivy
Psyker mains what do I roll for here?
rough egret
is it worth it to upgrade blue curios if it has a tier 4 perk/blessing or do you guys jsut wait til you have a purple with 2 good perks
cloud heron
is it worth it to upgrade blue curios if it has a tier 4 perk/blessing or do you...
I upgrade blue curios with good base stats and a good perk
ancient ivy
awesome staff by the way
thanks rolled it from grey just now
median terrace
Psyker mains what do I roll for here?
replace crit chance with unarmored damage
thats what id do
cloud heron
replace crit chance with unarmored damage
crits from purge apply 2 stacks of soulblaze
median terrace
if they go with the level 30 perk that buffs the flame abilities id say they dont need 2 extra stacks
median terrace
wouldnt those 2 extra stack be comparable to 20% extra damage
or 25 if they sit there rerolling for awhile
rough egret
I upgrade blue curios with good base stats and a good perk
ugh upgraded a blue with +3 stam/20% sniper damage and it rolled with 15% curious as reward haha
cloud heron
each additional stack of soulblaze is a pretty big jump in damage
rough egret
now i need more mats đ
median terrace
I've played with it on damnation with that and i personally like the unarmored damage. a whole horde gets burned to ash before it touches me and honestly if you take a purgatus thats the roll your best suited to play
for bigger dudes like carapace and the likes you not gonna do much with it
warped perch
With purg what perk do you guys run in row 2?
ancient ivy
awesome staff by the way
what toughness feat you run with this staff anyway
cloud heron
for bigger dudes like carapace and the likes you not gonna do much with it
maybe @long wharf can weigh in, i've just stolen most of my opinions on the purge staff from him anyway
cloud heron
what toughness feat you run with this staff anyway
essence harvest
median terrace
burnin up those muties is pretty nice tho
ancient ivy
essence harvest
and whats the argument for flak over UA?
median terrace
somtimes they can get away from you and die on the way back
cloud heron
and whats the argument for flak over UA?
i don't really feel like I struggle to kill poxwalkers fast enough, even on damnation. Flak is the most common armor type and includes the most common things that mix into hordes
silver osprey
o shit
cloud heron
How do ANY of you people like this lights out shit?
Yeah I don't understand why people like it
slow karma
This is absolutely miserable, the darkness is right in front of your face
slow karma
If you don't have the level memorized you're fucking stumbling along, unable to see any enemies until they're right on your nuts
This is fucked up
oblique hemlock
CBT 2
magic burrow
lights out is awesome though
slow karma
I'm literally spinning around unable to get my bearings at all in these levels
You can like what you want but I'm legit never touching a mission with that on it ever again
cloud heron
If you don't have the level memorized you're fucking stumbling along, unable to ...
Every time I try to express this people get mad at me
slow karma
People are assholes
I can understand the challenge being fun for some, don't get me wrong, but my god is it not for me
magic burrow
thats okay, we'll go back to three weeks of pox hound packs just for you
oblique hemlock
Hunting grounds is basically just the default setting
slow karma
P much
It's not hard So I get why people are bored of it
but jesus, this is the complete opposite side of the meter
I can't fight what I can't see
and by the time I'm done with a battle, I'm completely turned around
Miserable experience
glass patrol
wouldn't be so bad if everyone just had a pocket torch you could turn on/off a la L4D
magic burrow
I mean, it's been over a month. At this point you have to be at least vaguely familiar with the maps.
fringe garden
Psykers not having flashlights makes it worse
slow karma
Vaguely isn't good enough
magic burrow
you can bring a voidstrike staff. The explosions do a good job of lighting up your way
oblique hemlock
"We heard you didn't like hunting grounds or lights out, so we decided it'd be best to make every enemy a monstrosity in our new special condition!"
slow karma
And no, I'm not going to memorize the layouts of a game just to have this one piece of shit mutator not be a complete hassle
Because that's all it is for me. A hassle
glass patrol
"We heard you didn't like hunting grounds or lights out, so we decided it'd be b...
or combined the two 
dogs in the dark
fringe garden
Special conditions suck. Make them for premades not random queues.
slow karma
Yeah that'd be even better
oblique hemlock
It's also cool that vet is the only one with a light unless you use basic bitch guns on specialized classes
slow karma
Given we have so few levels to choose from and difficulty levels hard baked into them when they spawn, having the mutators on them randomly just confounds things further
but I'll take that for the sake of breaking up the monotony of running the same 3 missions in quickplay for two days
tired estuary
How do ANY of you people like this lights out shit?
I like it because I have 
brain
can't fault anybody for not liking it tho lmao
slow karma
I'd like it a lot more if the game wasn't so hectic
slow karma
if you could take your time a bit more it'd be much more fun
glass patrol
its basically lights out but with fog
200IQ plays by fatshark
glass patrol
if you could take your time a bit more it'd be much more fun
I'm with you, like tone down the enemy count at least to compensate. having a horde materialize in your face because you can't see them isn't ideal
glass patrol
I'm sure tweaks are coming next week
slow karma
I'm not sure of anything. What's happening next week?
glass patrol
an update on the update
oblique hemlock
Next week is happening next week
slow karma
Have they said anything? Nothing's lit up anywhere in the news channels
cloud heron
the update on the update being delayed I think was the last thing they said
glass patrol
nah, just that a community update 'should' be coming next week M A Y B E
slow karma
I guess
Ugh, I'm just gonna bail on this for a while. All it does is either be the best game ever or tilt me for days at a time.
No inbetween
glass patrol
I don't blame you, I feel the exact same way
it's got potential, hopefully they manage to fix it up
slow karma
I love it so much but my god when it trips, it falls hard
glass patrol
At this point as soon as I get malleus monstronum imma dip until the next update (if it actually adds worthwhile additions)
long wharf
I love it so much but my god when it trips, it falls hard
The trouble is that the game trips constantly before the mission starts and after the mission end screen shows
short cove
Lights Out as a mod would be cooler if less specials spawned and instead more monstrosities spawned
fierce sinew
maybe it sounds silly but I'd like it more if it were more "balanced"/less hostile to immersion
mostly that the enemy behavior doesn't change in any noticeable way to reflect that it's dark
it feels more like a "my character tripping even harder than usual" modifier
like if there were fewer shooters/more units placed in corners/shorter aggro distance offset by more melee enemies or something I think it could be kind of cool
near wyvern
Siblings. Enjoy.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2917274959
gilded cloud
I was playing and played with some veteran player and he had a lasgun. I couldn't tell what kind but the rate of fire seemed decent not slow but he was killing most elites with like 2 shots and regular enemies with 1 shot. Idk if he was hitting the head each time because he was shooting pretty quick. Like I saw him kill 5 enemies (not near each other) in a couple of seconds
Anyone know. What lasgun can do this? Doesn't the mark 12 lasgun do the most damage?
Idk how he's killing elites like ragers with 2 shots tho
cloud heron
Idk how he's killing elites like ragers with 2 shots tho
That sounds like a pretty typical mk12
gilded cloud
That sounds like a pretty typical mk12
Maybe I need a better one then since I'm only level 21 and he was level 30. Plus he was a vet. Maybe other skills help too
cloud heron
Maybe I need a better one then since I'm only level 21 and he was level 30. Plus...
On damnation, this will 3 shot a rager and 2 shot pretty much anything lighter
without any feats or ult
keen harbor
can you even get 378 modifier rating below lv30?
cloud heron
probably not
gilded cloud
On damnation, this will 3 shot a rager and 2 shot pretty much anything lighter
Damn Deadly Accurate is crazy
left crater
do i buy
gilded cloud
I wish I had more of an incentive to play with guns with psyker. There's nothing about the psyker that benefits from it
keen harbor
in fact you kinda want a thunder or flame staff to CC things
near wyvern
Void works but falls of a bit on damnation
left crater
Void is crap without transfer peril 3 or 4 on it
the joke is i got a god roll for a lasgun on my psyker.
cloud heron
no such thing as a god roll on a recon
left crater
infernus is god tier on the accatran recon, but still. why couldnt it be on my vet
mighty pike
guess how many melkcoin i dont have
cloud heron
oof
upper galleon
log into psyker alt
check shop, no magic weapons
log off psyker alt
sry witches but idk how you do it
floral solstice
well we played our psykers long enough to get the stuff we need even if it's not perfect
median terrace
sry witches but idk how you do it
purgatus is how
upper galleon
haven't got one yet
slow karma
First of all we do not log in to check the store anymore
median terrace
i use the dashboard thing
upper galleon
i already had DT open for my zealot
slow karma
We use browser plogon
median terrace
i already had DT open for my zealot
you can use it in game
fierce sinew
tfw browser plugin doesn't work for you
slow karma
Oh dear, why not?
median terrace
its nice cause you dont need to sit through 2-3 load screens
fierce sinew
I'm pretty sure it's on fatshark's end, my name is the character you see to the left of this message
and I'm pretty sure their API doesn't know what to do
just infinite loading
median terrace
this is why i dont use weird asf characters for any of my names
cause it can do fucky shit
like just being a bunch of question marks in game
sudden haven
đ
median terrace
fuck melk
fierce sinew
absolutely my mistake for thinking fatshark of all developers would have the sense not to index anything to anything the end user input
median terrace
normal store is where its at
median terrace
absolutely my mistake for thinking fatshark of all developers would have the sen...
its a common thing to not do
slow karma
I mean, what would they file that nonsense as?
Like, sure, I get your point, but like, better safe than sorry imo
median terrace
its fatshark dude
median terrace
they promised us full crafting within 2 different time frames and failed
fierce sinew
what every competent database does, assign you an ID number regardless of what you type in that field, and index everything with that. The name is just something you store and display back
slow karma
Competent
Fatshark
Pick one.
median terrace
also fuck the demands of whoever made them use shitty practices
slow karma
We all know they're sausagefingers at game design
median terrace
fuck micro transactions and fuck rng based shops
fierce sinew
if for whatever arcane reason you insist on anything important calling a name that you let the feckless end user choose, you at least make sure that input is clean
slow karma
I'm quite sure no one made them use shitty practices but them
The whole problem is that this is a live service
median terrace
im sure some retard ceo or whatever wanted them
you can do live service and not have it be dogshit
slow karma
They wanna keep money flowing, they gotta nickle and dime us
fierce sinew
force me to use letters, impute something for all other characters if you're too embarrassed to ask
fierce sinew
lots of ways to solve it
slow karma
all live services do this in ways
slow karma
That's not the live service part's fault, frankly
It's everything else lmao
Yeah, it's a messy time
But it is what it is.
They're the only ones making these games
So until someone else wants to make a better squad co-op WH game, we gotta suffer this
median terrace
Honestly if you want to fuck around with 40 stuff and have fun just go play modded arma
fierce sinew
The problem is the basic core of the gameplay loop is actually fun
median terrace
Itâs better and if you want to change something just learn how and do it
slow karma
Yeah, they get that part right every time
But they stumble with literally everything else
fierce sinew
if not for that everyone would have bailed immediately and motivated some learning
it reminds me in a sad way of jp fighting game devs
No meaningful competition in a space with a captive audience = you can get away with basic shit not working properly for a long time
mighty pike
I am thinking of uninstalling it now to be honest. I have 100 hours. There's nothing new
floral solstice
im not playing anything else aside from soulstorm atm so dank tide stays on my pc
median terrace
Arma 3s modding community fills that need to do 40k pretty damn good
floral solstice
waiting for starfield, ER dlc etc
median terrace
Plus you can do it with a fair few people
floral solstice
well ngl im not bored with dt yet, playing less than usual sure but it's about... 8-10 damnation runs a day? give or take
getting close to 450 hours
naive dawn
That's kind of the main problem with the game. They got all the hard parts right, with combat, sound design and gameplay. But then missed the mark on every single system and function out of gameplay.
open axle
what changes does this staff need? is surge overkill
rapid flicker
pysker drip post
cyan notch
need more mats
placid stratus
pysker drip post
10-4
dusky tree
anyone team up with me to do the cliffhanger penance?
manic needle
what changes does this staff need? is surge overkill
Roll crit chance perk for Surge
floral solstice
How does that bless even work, it releases 2 projectiles wherever you're aiming when you crit?
warped perch
Roll crit chance perk for Surge
Is crit better than damage on surge as far as stats go?
Idk what the dump stat for surge is
manic needle
You mean a surge staff?
warped perch
Yeah
placid stratus
anyone team up with me to do the cliffhanger penance?
While I'm willing to offer a hand, I will also let you know that you can do that one pretty painlessly solo. Head into an espionage mission in the torrent and play through it normally.
When you get to the end bit where you have to defend the central console from constantly spawning mobs, they will usually bottleneck through the unguarded catwalks. This is your prime opportunity to calmly park yourself at the doorway, spam push with your weapon and then hit your F right as they're about to hit the ledge.
If all goes well, you will have achieved cliffhanger. Just let the other people in your party know that that's your strategy so that they don't screw you over by nuking the horde
warped perch
Now that you brought it up lol
manic needle
Probably Warp Resist tbh
floral solstice
you can dump on charge rate too if you're mostly spam casting anyway
warped perch
If youâre spam casting donât you want warp resist?
manic needle
Not really, its not that significant of a difference
Also I prefer having a good charge rate if I can get it, for those times when you can take out elites with your charged attack
floral solstice
surge at 80% charge rate
manic needle
Looks good to me?
floral solstice
at 57%
warped perch
With surge youâre basically spamming charged attacks right
manic needle
Mostly minimum spam, charged attacks are pretty situational
floral solstice
so yeah i guess it depends on how you like it and how low you want to dump warp res/charge for
cyan notch
floral solstice
some slower elites can still stunlock slower enemies reliably anyway
with full charge i mean
manic needle
Lucky, Ive been looking for something like this for a long time
floral solstice
omg i worded that like an idiot
cyan notch
The left mouse attack is pretty weak tho
pretty good with crit
floral solstice
some slower elites get stunlocked by full charged anyway, esp if they're not that dangerously close
so depends on how often you full charge i guess
manic needle
IIRC Surge staff gets a bonus to its base crit rate too, right?
manic needle
Good enough anyway
As far as secondary perks the best youre going to get is something like Focused Channeling lol
floral solstice
yeah well hadron didn't get the memo
manic needle
Maybe Next Weekâ˘ď¸'s patch will have a fix for Warp Flurry
But until then there really isnt anything great to go for
cyan notch
ayo <@283547305758687232> are you playing
yea sup
floral solstice
just pugging?
cyan notch
yea im down to play after this mission
floral solstice
well this is the first thing i saw after loading so im down to play some
2 vets in a cursed run 
manic needle
well this is the first thing i saw after loading so im down to play some
This and loading in only to get instantly yeeted through the walls and die to the world barrier are my two favorite game types.
floral solstice
i've loaded on a sniper's direct line of sight before
10/10 would do it again
i guess few seconds of invulnerability after loading is immeasurably complex
manic needle
Also have to love when someone gets downed, and you rescue them only to have them get sniped before they can move
placid stratus
Just today I actually loaded into a game where I got fell through the world, along with two other people who loaded in with me
The last survivor (a psyker) promptly got netted by a trapper while trying to M2 purgatus it
It would've been funny if it wasn't so tragic
manic needle
Using brain burst from a distance youre comfortable dodging at is heresy
placid stratus
They were face to face. And instead of dodging the net like a regular, functioning member of society, he held m2 and tried to burn the trapper before it could fire
Needless to say, it didn't work
long wharf
trappers have this period of stagger immunity when they spawn/land and go to fire
cold mesa
so what's the deal with psyker being able to use limbsplitter well, how does that work?
manic needle
Mk. 5 CAxe push counterattack, combined with the lowest stamina regeneraiton delay of any class, means you can consistently spam one light attack and then push counterattack with the class
lethal folio
Psyker has stamina regen delay shorter than most push attack backswings
cold mesa
ahk
manic needle
Since you arent chaining attacks you get the best possible use out of limbsplitter
cold mesa
sweet, ty
manic needle
Worst case scenario youre dodge dancing and miss the combo since dodging delays stamina regen, so you have to spam a second light, but it's still worthwhile
cold mesa
could you stack this with stam regen curios to do the same thing with tac axe?
manic needle
Are there any worthwhile counterattacks to spam with Tac Axe?
I havent experimented enough with them to know either way
cold mesa
i mean, its pushattack is essentially the MK2's heavy
fresh reef
after playing so much psyker, I now have zero clue how to deal with bulwarks on any other class
cold mesa
for me as zealot it's block until it swings then dodge left and lay into its side/back
manic needle
If theyre focusing on you, they drop their guard when they begin their swing animation, and can be staggered then
fresh reef
I was playing vet and just got hard countered by two bulwarks in my face lol
cold mesa
or fire a short boltgun burst into its shield to stagger it then blasting it down with full auto
wait
why would i go limbsplitter when i could go headtaker and get the power boost on both hits?
manic needle
Instant benefit vs. stacking buff with a time limit
cold mesa
gotta stack it up but still
manic needle
With limbsplitter you can also quick swap to a staff or BB, then swap back to your axe and get the full benefit immediately
cold mesa
ah, fair
cold mesa
i like lights out ._.
manic needle
You merely adopted the dark. I was born in it, molded by it.
cloud heron
psyker has no good light source
shooting my purge into the air just isn't good enough
and i'm not going to use a gun
manic needle
Time to give a different staff a try, Surge is a good starter staff for Lights Out tbh
Just have to listen for footsteps/the prompts that play when youre about to be shot or whacked
cloud heron
you can hit things with surge but it still isn't a light source
cyan notch
use trauma and wave it around
floral solstice
surge not bad with lights out
cyan notch
or charge bb and wave it around
floral solstice
just be careful with zapping dh
i wonder if there will be more gunpsykers because of lights out
"they told me to bring a torch"
wet belfry
"they told me to bring a torch"
And the enemy will be my torch!
Average purgatus user
manic needle
just be careful with zapping dh
Real gamers pick up 2 Grimoires and kill every daemonhost they come across in Power Supply Interruption
median terrace
Average purgatus user
Can confirm
floral solstice
hey morrow, we did what you asked for but we kinda left a daemon alone in the dark, good luck with that
gilded cloud
Is there a percentage of peril where if you activate the force sword special that it will make you explode?
long wharf
good lord, the most stressed I've been in a run in a long time
median terrace
Once you hit 100
long wharf
knife zealot in the dark on heresy, we dodged 3 DHs
median terrace
Is there a percentage of peril where if you activate the force sword special tha...
Unless itâs something that constantly uses peril like charging a staff or in some cases using the charged attack you donât blow up unless you try to generate more above 100
Hell Iâve charged up a purgatus at like 92 and was able to cast the whole charge without blowing up
long wharf
you don't blow up until you try to use a warp attack past its peril threshold
median terrace
Are you trying to blow up?
Or are you just curious if your able to power up your sword at like 98
wheat quartz
Can you infinitely chain it without delay if you land a headshot with the charged heavy each time with exorcist?
gilded cloud
Or are you just curious if your able to power up your sword at like 98
Trying to guage if I need to be careful at using the special if I'm at 98 peril lol
wheat quartz
Trying to guage if I need to be careful at using the special if I'm at 98 peril ...
IME no, only at 99%
median terrace
Just donât use it again after that
manic needle
Can you infinitely chain it without delay if you land a headshot with the charge...
Yeah although honestly the use case is still pretty situational
median terrace
Until it goes back down at least
manic needle
And even without exorcist you can quell for a fraction of a second and immediately use it again
gilded cloud
Until it goes back down at least
Quell to 97% and use it again and repeat lol
median terrace
You prop donât even need to quell
Give it a few seconds of using normal attacks then use the power again
white badger
How would you modify the perks on this?
wheat quartz
Yeah although honestly the use case is still pretty situational
Thinking dps vs a stationary demonhost for the lulz
median terrace
Image is potato for me for some reason
manic needle
How would you modify the perks on this?
Hack the game to give you Surge blessing on Surge staff
white badger
Works when I click it
cyan notch
Can you infinitely chain it without delay if you land a headshot with the charge...
nah exorcist doesnt work on special
manic needle
Only way to change that staff to make its perks/blessings better
median terrace
Iâd change the crit damage for something else
Considering the main targets Iâd go for either unarmored or flak armored
Sorry carapace not flak
white badger
That makes sense
manic needle
Unarmored damage doesnt really make a big difference since the base dmage is shit anyway
floral solstice
flak
fierce sinew
daily reminder that carapace is literally just crusher
white badger
And mauler
median terrace
And fuck them
manic needle
Flak damage is good, too, Id be fine with any of the ones on his staff or flak damage
fierce sinew
you aren't headshotting with surge
floral solstice
flak so you can kill scab stalkers and gunners
manic needle
you aren't headshotting with surge
Its crit damage/chance
floral solstice
Its crit damage/chance
think he meant maulers having carapace on the head
fierce sinew
Its crit damage/chance
I mean with respect to maulers
white badger
I am gonna go for flak. thanks
manic needle
Oh okay, my bad
floral solstice
I am gonna go for flak. thanks
then you get mostly dregs on your next match, aka my usual experience when i switch to surge
fierce sinew
for surge, carapace damage is crusher damage, unless you're trying to bring down that mauler with your surge left click
in which case live your dreams
white badger
Heh.. and the other psyker will also be running surge
floral solstice
at least most random psykers run purg so bringing surge is usually a safe bet
flame zealots too
floral solstice
you need surge for random knife zealots who die to a small group of melee elites
white badger
Yeah. I love the flame staff, more than surge. But I just get too many pugs where nobody is dealing with gunner packs, and they wreck us. Surge is good for those.
fierce sinew
if they're dying through all that damage reduction you'll have a hard time saving them regardless of weapon
that's determination
west stream
you need surge for random knife zealots who die to a small group of melee elites...
I played with a knife zealot yesterday. I was certain they had to be great cause, knife zealot
Not only did he die
gilded cloud
Man voidstrike is so fun to use against a horde when you have transfer blessing.
Destroying a whole wave with just the secondary nonstop and leaving with 15% peril at the end is so satisfying
west stream
he killed 2 people the one time he did fire his autogun
manic needle
I played with a knife zealot yesterday. I was certain they had to be great cause...
My sweet summer child...
floral solstice
I played with a knife zealot yesterday. I was certain they had to be great cause...
that's the opposite of what you should expect most knife zealots to be
you should always be aware of his position because they love to overextend
west stream
Literally yote 2 people off a ledge by missing all the shots and hiting a barrel lol
fierce sinew
Yeah. I love the flame staff, more than surge. But I just get too many pugs whe...
this is why I shill WB + AB so hard
manic needle
Man voidstrike is so fun to use against a horde when you have transfer blessing....
It's pretty fantastic
white badger
WB AB?
west stream
(gonna assume he missed because he also missed half a mag at a burster and died)
fierce sinew
warp battery ascendant blaze
floral solstice
real gigachad random zealots bring evisc/heavy sword/antax
white badger
Oh
fierce sinew
having the shout be a "no more shooters pls" cooldown
west stream
Evisc zealots who time it perfectly to cut muties in half while rushing
that's the real shit
gilded cloud
Literally yote 2 people off a ledge by missing all the shots and hiting a barrel...
I fucking hate ppl who do that. Had a guy ahead of everyone and we were walking when there are no enemies and literally shoots a barrel in the narrow hallway.
I stopped as I saw this but my 2 other teammates didn't and kept walking and it exploded on them
Like whyyyy
white badger
I never run Warp Battery. Watching my charge count throughout matches, I only get to 4 in very long fights. When I've tried to run WB, I rarely hit 6.
wheat quartz
it depends on the density
white badger
Yeah
wheat quartz
in malice you're gonna feel charge starved
white badger
I actively avoid endless horde
wheat quartz
In high intensity malice it's a bit better
manic needle
Ever have a veteran explode a fire barrel behind you while youre trying to kite a horde to a choke point?
cloud heron
I never run Warp Battery. Watching my charge count throughout matches, I only g...
In Heresy+ you'll hit 6 very quickly with purge
wheat quartz
heresy feels fine
manic needle
If not youre missing out
wheat quartz
damnation you're always gonna be at 6 ime
fierce sinew
in damnation I'm back to 6 before my shout is off cd basically always
white badger
I run 60% malice, 40% heresy. Haven't tried damnation. Only run with pugs
west stream
dumb question but do random BB trigger the soul blaze talent?
wheat quartz
On malice, I sometimes take flayer instead of battery purely because I feel that charge starved
floral solstice
ok but which guy in fatshark decided that losing warp charges all at once is the way to go
west stream
wondering if there's synergy with the bit where enemies dying to fires give warp charges
white badger
ok but which guy in fatshark decided that losing warp charges all at once is the...
Everything about psyker feels like a first draft.
floral solstice
we even have a feat with the same name as our ult
wheat quartz
lol true
long wharf
dumb question but do random BB trigger the soul blaze talent?
any enemy that dies with soulblaze on them procs AB for all psykers with AB
fierce sinew
I think the random nonhostile groaners standing around the map are partially meant to be farmed for abilities that need upkeep
not saying I love that design
cloud heron
dumb question but do random BB trigger the soul blaze talent?
kinetic flayer procs wrack and ruin yeah
Don't think it's worth very much though
wheat quartz
presumably because the game doesn't separate soulblaze stacks per source and all soulblaze applications add to the same stack
white badger
I think the random groaners are meant to hit you in the back if you ignore them and run by, especially in the first version of the game, when all melee damage chipped health
fierce sinew
wrack and ruin could be twice as good as it is and still never be worth just because it competes with warp resistance
manic needle
extra damage on peril is probably better
Is it though?
manic needle
Either way I almost always take Inner Tranquility
fierce sinew
warp res is so much better value than the other 2 in that tier it makes me think the people who picked the numbers never played t4/5
long wharf
warp res is so much better value than the other 2 in that tier it makes me think...
FartShart devs have said they only play on Malice
fierce sinew
really?
long wharf
it's painfully obvious
west stream
tbh being a dev doesnt imply you know how to play your game on highest difficulties
long wharf
yeah, I remember reading that a while back
west stream
usually QA does that if anyone
manic needle
There was a stream yesterday on steam in which a dev was playing on what looked like Malice
fierce sinew
I'm not saying they need to be pros or even especially good
cloud heron
wrack and ruin could be twice as good as it is and still never be worth just bec...
I think wrack and ruin is bad divorced from the opportunity cost of the other two perks. 2 stacks isnt very much and BB is slow to cast
fierce sinew
yeah, it's bad
west stream
make wrack and ruin supress everyone in 2 meter radius and set them on fire
turn it into a "kill special in horde, watch hole"
manic needle
You could just make it apply a worthwhile number of stacks and it would be fine
fierce sinew
make it 6 stacks and 10 meter radius
cyan notch
lol
west stream
one morbillion stacks
fierce sinew
if you manage to kill something with bb before the vet his whole squad should burn
manic needle
either way 2 stacks is not worth it
cloud heron
tbh i've found myself using BB a lot more as I get better at damnation
fierce sinew
2 stacks is definitely an enormous whatever
floral solstice
fatshark devs main vet for sure
cloud heron
like it one shots so much important stuff. Gunners, shotgunners, snipers
white badger
Anyone know if Terrifying Barrage even works? Trying to test it in the psyk-gym, and I don't notice anything cowering
manic needle
Anyone who tells you they never use BB at high difficulties is telling on themselves
fierce sinew
you definitely use it, it's just not nearly enough of your damage to be worth the focus that it commands in the talent choices
floral solstice
just read any psyker reddit thread and someone will say bb is useless
west stream
you should be using it if nothing else to keep some charges during low intensity
manic needle
If wrack and ruin was better it might even be useful for Purgatus builds in particular
west stream
I prefer sword and staff exclusively during proper combat unless I see a spec that needs to die toh
manic needle
With Purg youll end up spamming BB vs. ranged at some point
fierce sinew
for sure, it's the thing you do when you're not doing the main thing you do
white badger
BB is always great for sniper-fishing in the distance
west stream
Also good for long corridors
there's always a gunner or some dude who will land some shots
may as well not take risk and kill them from cover
regal musk
wrack and ruin could be twice as good as it is and still never be worth just bec...
If it triggered in a wider radius on BB hits instead of purely killshots, I'd actually take it.
fierce sinew
I think a more general qol change to the effect that all the current BB-kill effect trigger on hit or while channeling on a target that dies would be nice
make them all like AB
cyan notch
essence harvest does that pretty frequently for me
even tho i dont get the kill i get the proc
fierce sinew
I don't think it would break anything
just make you feel less like a goofball when you channel 90% of a BB just for the vet to click the glowing head
especially when the mid channel cc makes the headclick possible in the first place
which is often
white badger
Been playing a psyker since beta, 250+ hours. But when I play my vet, I still target glowing blue heads. Can't help it. Moth to flame or something đ
That glow is like a SHOOT THIS sign
cloud heron
Been playing a psyker since beta, 250+ hours. But when I play my vet, I *still*...
Same. It highlights the head so perfectly.
regal musk
Its literally just the Psyker quietly pinging the target XD
cloud heron
It's so much better than a ping
a ping far away may not be clear if the target is behind a half wall
white badger
I don't get upset about it on psyker. I've learned that trying to manage warp charges is rarely the best use of any particular moment
regal musk
Which just speaks volumes about how poorly designed the mechanic is
white badger
Yep. We have two mechanics to manage. One kills us, the other is almost meaningless. Meanwhile, every other class.. . đ
fierce sinew
it's not the end of the world, it just creates a qol issue around managing your class's signature resource when it isn't always in your control
regal musk
No core class mechanic should rely on your teams cooperation lol
manic needle
You can also add flayer to your build if youre having problems maintaining stacks
regal musk
We should not be needing to spend feats to fix bad design of a core class mechanic XD
manic needle
Meh
I use Warp Battery with Purgatus mainly, and not much else
But with Purg you have AB so you shouldnt need flayer for stacks
Unless youre running Kinetic Barrage
long wharf
yeah, I don't think KF is the best option when you're using purge and AB
cyan notch
i guess if you want maximum healing its good
long wharf
what healing
regal musk
He means toughness from Essence Harvest
I'm an odd one who runs a Purgatus with Flayer and Quietitude >_>
I find being able to just restore toughness whenever i feel like it to be much more effective than short RNG bursts from Essence harvest.
But opinion is opinion.
white badger
Lyote, I switch back and forth.. I think it's a push between them
cloud heron
I'm an odd one who runs a Purgatus with Flayer and Quietitude >_>
I find being a...
So what's flayer for then?
wheat quartz
I usually take flayer in Malice when I feel like there isn't enough density to have a 4 stack AB ready on demand
Higher there's enough density, so I can toss it and take battery
cloud heron
IMO flayer is really only useful for passively building stacks without using BB, but AB takes care of that problem for the purge staff
regal musk
Free bursts tbh.
wheat quartz
But only if there's enough stuff to kill
It feels like on malice there isn't enough stuff to kill
regal musk
Ive tried running Battery but that auto BB has come in clutch a number of times. So much so that its very noticeable to me when im not runnign it
cloud heron
What's the situation exactly? Like you're caught out alone by a solo shotgunner and the BB gibs it instead of making you switch to melee?
regal musk
Usually triggers on muties tbh. If theres a shotgunner and im alone, manual BB is enough to drop it.
white badger
It explodes ogryns/ muties
floral solstice
meanwhile i run flayer only because i dont like battery lol, specifically any warp charge feats
regal musk
Saved some teammates getting dogged a few times with it triggering at teh end of the rev
wheat quartz
I really like the 6 stack AB in the cases where there's a gun line of dregs and I can't reach them with my 80% cloud radius purge
cloud heron
I'll BB ogryns and muties if they're way far out and i'm just fishing for free damage, but if they're a threat I typically FS special them down
wheat quartz
Press F, go burn and die heretics hahahaha
cloud heron
Saved some teammates getting dogged a few times with it triggering at teh end of...
purge primary should be able to knock dogs off teammates
regal musk
Yeah but i like murdering it while its not moving instead of just pushing it off XD
If im at range when they get dogged, ill absolutely be blasting with primaries on the way there, But if it happens that im close enough melee, Im gonna chainsaw it in half
white badger
Press F, go burn and die heretics hahahaha
Yeah, 6-stack AB is a great "Oh Shit" button, if you can save your utl.
regal musk
Dont need to save it if you run Aura đ
cloud heron
i really like psychic communion
regal musk
A lot of people do, for good reason: It fixes the issuse of WCs being badly designed XD
I just like Aura for its team utility more is all.
floral solstice
do the devs even play psyker on damnation lol
someone invite them to play and have them play psyk
regal musk
A weekly event where the CMs stream themselves playing Damnation with a random Dev each week would be hilarious
round token
someone invite them to play and have them play psyk
Let them get shot 3 times and get downed by a regular enemy, while trying to avoid pow death and manage a horde. It's definitely the hardest class to play well.
limber silo
What do you guys use for curios? I'm using 2 health and a wound and it's been working so far. I go for gunner res. and a mix of other things
regal musk
I have 1 Would, 1 Health and 1 toughness lol
I would consider somethign else, but m,y Curios are trash.
long wharf
I run 2 health and 1 stamina
floral solstice
are you coping that they'll fix stam curios next week
long wharf
I do not "cope"
you still benefit from having the extra stamina right now
if they fix it down the line, then it'll be even better
cloud heron
What do you guys use for curios? I'm using 2 health and a wound and it's been w...
I used to be all in on the "health curios are better than toughness" but I started using toughness a week or so ago and they're pretty strong. I run 3 of either, but don't mix them.
cloud heron
kinetic deflection benefits a lot from stamina
long wharf
yep, peril blocking
floral solstice
yeah i know that but i guess if you feel what you currently have isnt enough.
long wharf
it's not for actually blocking with stamina
but because the peril cost calculation involves max stamina
floral solstice
how much of a diff each extra stamina does for that?
long wharf
depends on how much you have
cloud heron
What do you guys use for curios? I'm using 2 health and a wound and it's been w...
Also the perks i usually look for are gunner resist, toughness regen speed (even though it's currently broken), block efficiency, and stamina regen
fresh halo
Hello siblings !
Me and my Ogryn friend need a bit of help for our Heresy penances, would some of you be so kind as to help us with our goal ? ^^
cloud heron
try the vox lfg channels
fresh halo
Will do, thanks sibling !
fierce sinew
A weekly event where the CMs stream themselves playing Damnation with a random D...
I like this idea, lots of birds in front of this stone. Chat has a temporary means of real time communication with dev, dev gets experience on what endgame is actually like, community building
cloud heron
I like this idea, lots of birds in front of this stone. Chat has a temporary mea...
where "end game" is getting abuse hurled at you for the entirety of the stream
fierce sinew
the authentic pug experience
long wharf
definitely not something FartShart should even consider doing right now
regal musk
That chat would need to be heavily modded lol
cloud heron
That chat would need to be _heavily_ modded lol
yeah, they'd get eaten alive
fierce sinew
much too efficient a solution to multiple problems for fatshark ever to actually do it
regal musk
Mor ethat itd devolve into straight verbal abuse.
long wharf
yeah, there's no way they could have the chat open to the community at large
now, there's no reason they couldn't do a heresy/damnation run with their favorite builds while doing a general Q&A session
regal musk
Probably a safer way to do it would be a Reddit post for questions and then have them do the gameplay session as a video answering the questoipns
At least until the community cools down lol
long wharf
which won't happen until well after the patch that fixes a bunch of shit drops
regal musk
Most likely we'd need a couple of quality content drops before the community softens up XD
long wharf
the mods here should just remove the vox channels 51~100
near wyvern
@long wharf
Spread the word, sibling.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2917274959
near wyvern
Sure
long wharf
I can't help but to critically read things
near wyvern
I don't mind, the purpose of it is to be verifiable any way
If there is something I overlooked it should be corrected
long wharf
Kinetic Presence, I'm pretty sure the auras don't stack at all
near wyvern
Likely not but have to test before dropping the verdict
long wharf
that's an easy test with another psyker helping
near wyvern
that's an easy test with another psyker helping
Yes and no. Just gotta make sure there is an enemy that meets a break point if it stacks but not if it doesn't
But that is just to figure out a weapon, difficulty and a weapon to do it and then get someone to help set it up in a private game
Assuming you can't enter meat grinder with other players
long wharf
no you can't, though it'd be nice if you could
your reasoning for 31 stacks being the limit doesn't make sense when considering that the game logic is in Lua
Lua doesn't allow you to create a 5 bit restricted variable
long wharf
that's true, but that's also assuming FartShart has optimized that
near wyvern
Modern processors don't mind if it's 5 bits or 64bits, it still calculates them and stores in cache using 64bits
long wharf
yep
near wyvern
It's only when you send the bits to another one when it starts to matter. Given you can hit over hundred targets with soulblaze each having individual stacking it is a actually quite likely they optimized it and did a similar thing for bleed and burn (not necessarily same max stack count but a power of two)
long wharf
actual_damage = base_damage * armour_mod * (1 + 0.1*is_elite) * (1 + perk_1/100 ) (1 + perk2/100) * (1 + 0.15*has_cerebral) * (1 + 0.03*warp_charges) * (1 + power/100)
you forgot a '*' between the perk parts
near wyvern
Thx
long wharf
(1 + perk_1/100) * (1 + perk2 / 100)
near wyvern
My math brain is not used to so many * symbols đ
Usually I write something like 2x(3y +z)(p-1) and so on
- symbols are quite redundant but for some people it helps to understand so decided to go with that notation
long wharf
for the Psykinetic's Aura, the psyker has to get the kill, and everyone in coherency gets the 15% cooldown reduction
and there's no reason to think multiple psykers using the feat aren't going to benefit from it individually
near wyvern
for the Psykinetic's Aura, the psyker has to get the kill, and everyone in coher...
Do you have any video of this?
near wyvern
I don't take things in the lua code as truth unless verified by testing. It's probably true but I don't wanna state anything in the guide if it has not been 100% verified
long wharf
ping Json tomorrow at a more reasonable time, then
I'm almost positive it was he that tested it
near wyvern
Like the soulblaze section. Obviously approached it with the help of lua code but did properly test it in meat grinder to confirm
near wyvern
ping Json tomorrow at a more reasonable time, then
Alright, I will
regal musk
Just throw big old 'citation needed' all over the guide, cant go wrong đ
long wharf
Kinetic Flayer 100% can proc on a BB hit
I've seen it happen myself when testing in meat grinder
near wyvern
Kinetic Flayer 100% can proc on a BB hit
Yes it can. Did I leave there research needed for that?
It even does the increased damage from Cerebral when it happens
long wharf
oh, I misread the text, I thought it said it wasn't sure if it could
reading Ascendant Blaze applies 1/1/2/3/4/5/6 stacks makes me shake my head
it ought to be 1/2/3/4/5/6/7
near wyvern
I gotta head out, if you have more I would appreciate if you can DM me or leave a ping here (@ me) so I can find these later better when the spam has already started
near wyvern
it ought to be 1/2/3/4/5/6/7
No it's 1 stack at zero and 1 stack at 1 warp charge
long wharf
right, that's how it is, but not how it should be
makes no sense to spend a warp charge to not get an additional stack
also, before you go
Ascendant Blaze procs for all psykers that have the feat active when any enemy dies with soulblaze on them
nothing to do with who gets the kill
nor how
regal musk
Its most likely an intentional choice so as to always provide at least 1 soulblaze stack even if a Psyker engages with it before stacking any wcs
long wharf
then it's intentionally stupid
regal musk
Not so much. Consider the secondary effect of AB. It also helps to setup empowered Wraths
near wyvern
nor how
That is my impression as well but haven't tested it in a controlled environment. Cannot state anything confirmed based on my experience/feel. It has to be properly tested.
long wharf
I did properly test it
both in meat grinder and in mission with a helper
anywho, I'm heading to bed, I'll read the rest of this tomorrow/later
fierce sinew
tfw browser plugin doesn't work for you
on infinitesimally small chance that somebody involved in the relevant codebase read the exchange following this and fixed it, big thanks
it is now working
floral solstice
just a scratch dont worry
regal musk
Hee's fiiiiine. Doesn't feel a thing.
floral solstice
must be the wind
buoyant stump
lovely breeze we have today
white sky
Average nurgle worshipper tbh
limber silo
Anyone else been using the chainsword as their non-force weapon?
I think it's similar enough to FS to fit a similar niche, but with better crowd clear. Only issue is the special doesn't stagger enemies which is bs
How tf are you not gonna be staggered when there is a revved chainsaw in your cranial cavity?
white sky
The chainsword will stagger stuff, it just normally kills them first in my experience
I use it to chain stagger crushers and bulwarks a lot
gilded cloud
Anyone else been using the chainsword as their non-force weapon?
I started today and love it. I love having a 1 hit kill for most elites
The parry of the claw sword and stab of the duellling I find suck
cyan notch
I think it's similar enough to FS to fit a similar niche, but with better crowd ...
it should
regal musk
T_T
regal musk
Gimmie some
cyan notch
ok next week
shy warren
Looking for some opinions, Pregatus or Surge?
remote void
shy warren
I like Surge because of the range and CC through bulwark shields, but I tend to enjoy pregatus more
Sorry Purgatus, I said pregatus twice lmao
gilded cloud
Damnnnm
forest coral
Sorry Purgatus, I said pregatus twice lmao
Extra heretical
manic needle
Pregatus đł
bronze hound
Progatus for me
wheat quartz
Purgatus
Fire is the Emperor's mercy
We must be charitable and share it with the heretics
forest coral
Share the belovedâs dream gifts :>
bronze hound
Surge is very good but I have experienced less self survivability than purgatus
regal musk
Surge feels meh to use tbh
manic needle
I'll take Surge staff over Pregatus 9 times out of 10
cyan notch
đŤ
regal musk
I just dislike how inconsistent it feels.
fierce sinew
the distance between ceiling and floor is for sure highest on surge
regal musk
Its cool that the full charge on it does like 500~ damage on a non crit to Carapace
But ... it does SFA to unarmored lol
Voidstrike at least just does its full listed damage to everything regardless of armor except Maniac, which is slightly less
uneven drift
Well, surge not about dmg. That's it basically. You just playing support. It can become pretty stale very fast. I just build around the nuke while taking surge, that's make runs a bit more fun.
regal musk
The staff with the Crit bonus not being about dealing damage is kind of hilarious though.
manic needle
Its about controlling while dealing specialized damage
regal musk
I'd honestly rather just stagger lock with Purgatus and do some cheeky Chainsword revs or BBs between XD
USe what make syou happy. I just dont find Surge fun to use is all.
manic needle
Which is fine until youre running up against ranged. Since I have a nice Voidstrike I prefer to use that for clearing or Surge for control
regal musk
I only like running my Voidstrike when i play with my Ogryn buddy lol, it s my favourite staff but ive had way more success in Heresy pub runs using Purgatus
cyan notch
The staff with the Crit bonus not being about dealing damage is kind of hilariou...
left clicks are really strong
regal musk
Its just a shame its coupled to such a janky right click đ
manic needle
I dont really see Surge as being janky, if anything it feels kinda faceroll to me
regal musk
Opinions~
It doesnt feel anywhere near as clean to use the right click to me. You do you đ
My personal wish for it would be for the right click to draw down the charge level the way the Purgatus does.
shy crag
Looking for some opinions, Pregatus or Surge?
I find every other staff a lot more fun to use but none the less, the CC potential from Surge can be invaluable. Basically I only really run surge on missions any higher than low intensity heresy, as I feel its too much of a necessity then. Kinda boring to use though.
bold flint
surge coinflipping to see if it kills shooters based on what type of shooters are available is pretty goofy
meanwile void doesnt give a shit, heads pop the same on that
surge is the only staff that stuns specials like nothing but also the only staff that struggles on hordes
which is probably why it feels poopie to play with
manic needle
surge is the only staff that stuns specials like nothing but also the only staff...
Thats why you pair it with a Mk.5 CAxe
forest coral
Or rapier
regal musk
Petition to replace the projectile ball on Suirge primaries with a hitscan lightning bolt đ
bold flint
once i got the force sword i havent even bothered to use anything else
manic needle
FSword doesnt compliment Surge staff nearly as well as some other staffs
bold flint
i just use it with everything
manic needle
Then I see why you dont like Surge as much tbh
bold flint
fast brainburst feat kind of fills the surge niche for me tbh
manic needle
BB has no CC whatsoever, thats the Surge specialty
bold flint
well it does kill elites pretty quick
which is what i want that kind of option to do
get rid of the threats
at any range
regal musk
All of the staves offer CC in different forms. Hard to say Surge specializes in it when Purgatus can stagger lock off its primaries, Trauma ragdolls the hell out of everything inside the postcode of the Psyker and Voidstrike is a straight up railgun that knocks down anything adjacent to its path
bold flint
well theres no way purgatus is stopping muties
manic needle
No staff CC's as well as surge, its a mid range stun against targets behind cover, from cover if you want
bold flint
well theres no way purgatus is stopping muties
trauma doesnt do that either
regal musk
well theres no way purgatus is stopping muties
No need when walls stop them plenty fast.
bold flint
well yeah quick feet stop bullets too but that isnt the point
manic needle
"Who needs deflector when you have a dodge, slide, and sprint button?"
floral solstice
just don't get hit
manic needle
You fool. You SIMPLETON. Simply kill the enemies without being killed yourself.
bold flint
golden tartan
"Who needs deflector when you have a dodge, slide, and sprint button?"
Tbf passive quell with muggle melee is very nice
manic needle
Yeah and I typically run quietude with Surge/Antax, its real nice
bold flint
i just like loading warp bullets into my warp gun and shooting explosives out of it
floral solstice
heavy sword mk 9 for psykers when
noble mason
Does the purg staff crit on psycher?
floral solstice
Does the purg staff crit on psycher?
yes it does
cyan notch
you dont actually know when it crits tho
narrow jolt
dear lord its so hard to find people to just finish mission contracts with
placid sorrel
yea i assume its the last day and they might have completed theirs and dont care about what others needed
narrow jolt
its worse than that
ill post a lfg, or even worse, join a channel and not even post yet, bc im still typing , then someone joins the channel , then tells me what they need
or waqnt
want*
looking past that
then get some folks telling them what the group is or post for it and no one joins, or they do and does the opposite
like, speed run, then look at every nook and cranny
should take 10 mins then goes over 30
narrow jolt
does anyone in this reasonable chat, want to just speed run through missions of t1/t2
no questions asked
manic needle
No play, only shoptide
Sorry, someone else might be interested but Im burnt for a while, didnt even do my weeklies this week
narrow jolt
well lev, i didnt do mine last week or the week before , bit burnt myseltf lol
near wyvern
I would but unfortunately I can't play today. So can't get the weekly bonus because I am missing freaking 13 mission runs.
narrow jolt
Well Iâm missing 19 on this toon but was gonna speed run lol
Canât find that lol. Should sleep anyway
manic needle
If you do T1 you should be able to solo, to be fair
From what I've heard its almost impossible to find players for at level 30 anyway
regal musk
Whats the point of the Dueling Sword special?
manic needle
I dont remember what it is. Let me fire up the game really quickly
bold flint
theyre usually a quick stab
regal musk
Aye. A single quick stab
manic needle
I know the Combat Axe specials are for low damage staggering attacks
regal musk
It straight up deals less damage and stagger than primaries
bold flint
yeah ha
bold flint
but for the duelist swords do they even do that
bold flint
thats not a lot, i wouldnt trust it to interrupt a rager
regal musk
The recovery takes longer than chaining lights too lol
regal musk
I only ask cos ive never Dueling Sword before and i picked this up so wanted to experiment
manic needle
If nothing else I assume it could be used to reset attack chains
but...
Yeah it seems like dogshit
bold flint
does it have longer range?
raven mist
dunno why they made it a stab when you can punch
manic needle
Same range
regal musk
The only thing it could be useful for is making stabs while blocking
regal musk
Yeah, its super effective at doing absoluitely nothing to Crushers đ
regal musk
Fun fact, the stab pushes a rager further than a full stamina push
manic needle
Fun fact, the stab pushes a rager further than a full stamina push
The Duelling Sword? Which Mark? 5 is doing nothing to a rager in terms of push/stagger
regal musk
Outside of that .,.. Im not seeing much purpose to that stab XD
bold flint
well thats interesting, i dont have a mkV duelling sword
rocky cedar
Can't you stunlock and kill a rager with Mk V just doing special -> light over and over?
regal musk
Yes. You can also kill it quicker while also stagger locking it with just lights XD
rocky cedar
The light attack it links to is the strongest of the chain by a good margin too
In what world do duelling sword lights stagger lock a rager?
regal musk
Dunno about mid mission, but the meat grinder sure does lol
rocky cedar
Pretty sure enemies get large stagger resistance while attacking
still hearth
Ragers especially
rocky cedar
Special -> light combo staggers them reliably in mission I'm pretty sure
manic needle
Special into light does seem pretty good
regal musk
Surprisingly possible if you stagger them on approach with Purgatus and stab before they recover
still hearth
That's because they're not attacking if you already stagger them 
regal musk
Yeah, the question was if its possible to stagger them. And thats a way to do it đ
cyan notch
<:dead:718023681221328967>
u when not running purge
regal musk
You can also back up and force it into movement mode and stagger it from there
still hearth
Just cover my back when I'm flaming
We don't need 3 people hitting the horde I'm deleting
manic needle
Imagine having to Brain Burst Scab Shooters at long range. This meme made by Voidstrike gang đ
cyan notch
bb good for 6 stacks then walk up and thanos snap em
bold flint
Voidstrike bad
it can kill shooters 
floral solstice
ur all bad, only ogryn shovel good
bold flint
it can kill 15 poxwalkers and then the shooter behind them
nocturne badge
voidstrike is in a little bit of an awkward place cause it's not as good at CC as the surge staff, and not as good at horde clearing as the purgatos
bold flint
its not, but at least it can kill shooters
nocturne badge
but it can still do both reasonably well, along with being able to snipe individual enemies at a distance
manic needle
it can kill 15 poxwalkers and then the shooter behind them
All while staggering the ragers in the group
nocturne badge
you really want transfer peril on it
bold flint
it can also kill them behind cover because its hitbox is bigger than its collision
nocturne badge
ideally at least t3
the other thing it does is shoot thru your teammates so you can play farther back and just play artillery support to anyone who has a horde on them
bold flint
picked this up, nice base
nocturne badge
plus if you wanna be silly you can do the rmb+lmb+quell spam click to machine gun off shots
regal musk
That isnt even silly. Machinegun voidstrike is pretty effective, especially when doing it at close ranges. Doubly so if you have the suppression perk
manic needle
plus if you wanna be silly you can do the rmb+lmb+quell spam click to machine gu...
I honestly hate doing that, it usually just ends up knocking down my targets instead of killing them, then when they're on the ground its harder to get weak spot hits.
nocturne badge
yeah i don't do it either
floral solstice
I hate it more when i play evisc on zealot and the voidstrike knockback griefs my savage sweep
regal musk
Just be short like me, crouch and lob the shots through them while theyre prone XDD
nocturne badge
i guess it could be situationally useful but my quell is on mouse 4 so it makes pressing all three buttons awkward
regal musk
tbf, Probably shoudlnt be aiming voidstrikes directly at the frontal cone of a zealot anyway.
More useful to the zealot clearing stuff to his sides out of reach for his melee
bold flint
na they can get stuffed
as a zealot i swing to the left and right anyway
funnel them inwards
regal musk
Hey now, I lik ethe shouty lads. They attract all the hordes attention so i can blast with impunity đ
I meant aiming at things outside the reach of their melee.
On the right angle, You'll blast things into their melee sweeps
While keeping their flanks clear of stuff in general đ
bold flint
like sure, but if theyre just getting started you bet im killing 30 poxwalkers in one cast
side clear? also doing that
regal musk
Ive never understood why ranged peoples shoot at things that already getting stabbed.
Theyre gonna die anyway .. Save your ammo for the shooters and things not in stabbing range XD
manic needle
Ive never understood why ranged peoples shoot at things that already getting sta...
It's voidstrike, it doesnt have ammo
bold flint
playing veteran if there are any number of shooters in sight you just pop ability and shoot them all
regal musk
I wasnt just referring to Psykers.
manic needle
BUt yeah generally Im going to focus on protecting areas that dont already have 2-3 people on them
golden tartan
Ive never understood why ranged peoples shoot at things that already getting sta...
Ammo? Whats that. infinite grenades meme
bold flint
trauma staff is just a grenade launcher change my mind
manic needle
When everyone on the team focuses one direction it makes me sad deep inside
nocturne badge
trauma staff is just a grenade launcher change my mind
it's more like an explosive railgun
manic needle
Gotta pad those scoreboard stati- oh...
regal musk
Naw thats Voidstrike. Traume is very much the grenade launcher. Just an anemic one lol
manic needle
Its a worse Conflagration staff
Still useful to people who are skilled with it, but man it feels bad that they nerfed it
golden tartan
Gotta pad those scoreboard stati- oh...
Sound of bolter dump into a horde
nocturne badge
speaking of mag dumping into hordes
autoguns only pen unarmored targets, not infested
golden tartan
Yep
barren rock
hey friends, should i keep flak armor or critchacne
white sky
The rate it knocks them down at I normally find it worth shooting through them with
bold flint
do poxhounds have some sort of damage resistance
near wyvern
do poxhounds have some sort of damage resistance
Infested
golden tartan
do poxhounds have some sort of damage resistance
They have a boat load of health and melee vulnerability
Also infested armour type ye
bold flint
so the trauma staff is just bugged then 
near wyvern
so the trauma staff is just bugged then <:Sitgryn:1016269420638765107>
Why so?
golden tartan
Explain?
bold flint
my trauma staff secondary says its supposed to do 569 damage to infested but it only does 342
actually, it just does less damage in general
its supposed to hit carapace for 758 as well but only does 417
golden tartan
Does ur trauma have rending?
near wyvern
Some enemies have additional multipliers, like mutants take 3 times more melee damage. Some have multipliers that they take 0.5 ranged damage.
Trauma is explosion so there might be an enemy specific explosion resistance which is not well scrutinized because explosion damage is not that common.
I know pox bursters have 30x for explosive so they die by just looking at the Trauma RMB
bold flint
regal musk
Damage falloff from epicenter is pretty harsh too.
near wyvern
Damage falloff from epicenter is pretty harsh too.
This as well
nocturne badge
sustained fire on staffs is sadge
near wyvern
The sweet spot is pretty damn small
bold flint
ive actually tested it, thats not true
nocturne badge
it only works on lmb afaik
near wyvern
sustained fire on staffs is sadge
Yes and no. On Damnation you can't one hit anyways so kinda helps with that occasional left left left
nocturne badge
lmb projectile hurtbox is so tiny it's a miracle if the second shot hit the target after the first shot staggers them
bold flint
the targeting circle doesnt change with the blast radius stat so it only feels like it has damage falloff
near wyvern
With LMB it's more problematic that the projectile keeps your side to side momentum so it's wonky af to dodge fire and try to hit back
bold flint
so if you have a poorly rolled blast radius trauma staff a lot of the area will just be the chip damage knockback that basically every explosive weapon has
and the rest of the area is 100% damage
but yeah, fun weapon but im not going to subject myself to it again
it is the loudest weapon in the game
bold flint
hows that work, all i see increasing brain burst is that one perk that increases max warp charges
and thats it, no more multipliers available
i wish they would change that weird soulblaze brainburst perk
just make it apply soulblaze on cast instead of on elite kill đ¤
shadow onyx
if they did their design job correctly we would have more interesting interactions
like instead of this shitty feat "x % more dmg from all non warp sources" put a feat that makes ennemies cursed with soulburn taking 20 % more dmg
manic needle
2 stacks of soulblaze on BB kill. Fatshark Moment.
shadow onyx
or put a feat that double even triple dmg bonus from warp charge for melee idk
near wyvern
I am so close to a one-shot BB build
Check if this helps
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2917274959
near wyvern
and thats it, no more multipliers available
check the link above
still hearth
Sadly what I need is just more Executor or Trickshooter revolver and it'll one-shot
near wyvern
Crafting update soonâ˘ď¸
bold flint
i bet if a zealot picked that power to allies on martyr stack gain feat you could onetap a damnation rager
covert ermine
No sure its possible to kill anything with soulblaze alone on t5
shadow onyx
No sure its possible to kill anything with soulblaze alone on t5
depend of the stack
covert ermine
Anything from character feats
shadow onyx
AB lvl 30 feat with 6 stacks of WP you basicaly clean an entire room of shotters by pressing F and waiting 5 sec
in damnation
covert ermine
Purgatus obviously will burn through almost anything
atomic dagger
what exactly is carapace armor?
cyan notch
crusher
atomic dagger
crusher
i mean in-lore
must be some hell of material
maybe a synergy between asbestos and steel?
hardy coral
had a friend i was helping that was complaining about this penance being hard. i just 100% my Ogryn today and literally got it on my 2nd mission at level 2. 
atomic dagger
had a friend i was helping that was complaining about this penance being hard. i...
you mean 100% your psyker?
hardy coral
no i just started my psyker.
i 100% sharpshooter, Zealot, Ogryn earlier today now i've moved onto psyker.
atomic dagger
then i dont understand what you are writing and what it has to do with ogryn XD
hardy coral
im saying i have experience pushing things off cliffs.
covert ermine
had a friend i was helping that was complaining about this penance being hard. i...
It was 20 enemies
hardy coral
in 2 seconds?
covert ermine
Yes
hardy coral
could maybe do it with that Stave that drops an explosion where you target it. it would have knocked everything off the small bridge.
covert ermine
You just knock horde into a pit on hab dreyko and that's all
hardy coral
its the small bridges in Vigil station at the end which is the easiest to knock enemies off.
with 1 charge from Ogryn i deleted an entire horde off the sides in Damnation.
steel vapor
First day with my lvl 30 psyker -.-
atomic dagger
First day with my lvl 30 psyker -.-
Fatshark should increase the likelihood to get staffs in shops/emperors gift
steel vapor
Fatshark should increase the likelihood to get staffs in shops/emperors gift
either that, or remove guns entirely from psyker shop and replace with staffs - i mean why are guns even an option for psykers
atomic dagger
options are always good, wouldnt want to lose the option of playing a gun psyker
steel vapor
i mean i guess you could keep the guns just for the sake of having the option, but there isnt really any reason to do so
apart from just having an option thats never going to be picked outside of memeing ^^
atomic dagger
best staff I have seen in a while
Lets see what mommy hadron makes out of it
steel vapor
fingers crossed
so i got this thing too today, is it worth investing materials into or is it better to wait until some higher rolls come by?
366 is kinda mid
quick heron
you want cloud and burn high for it to be worth roll
id say no, but depends on your mats
atomic dagger
366 is kinda mid
366 mid? what? are you high?
I think its a good one to make something out of it
summer prairie
76+ burn is capped stats already, but no point gambling with that one. I guess you could get it to purple for the extra perk but it wouldn't do much
steel vapor
76+ burn is capped stats already, but no point gambling with that one. I guess y...
fair, i guess ill do the shop lottery a while longer
atomic dagger
best staff I have seen in a while
Lets see what mommy hadron makes out of it
i got hipfire blessing runngun
rip
steel vapor
is there any consensus as to what the best staff type is btw? I have figured that trauma is kind of a meme, but the 3 other seem viable
quick heron
They are all good for something, depends on what your team needs. I dont think there is a "best" per se
atomic dagger
is there any consensus as to what the best staff type is btw? I have figured tha...
people will tell you best staff is surge
but i think it depends on your playstyle, the map and team comp
quick heron
I will say shotgun ani cancel voidstrike is funnest tho
steel vapor
hmm
wet flax
I use the purgatus staff with the antax mk v axe.