psyker-class

[lethal lagoon]

Yeah, store system blows

[elfin crystal]

mhm

[long wharf]

or

for when you really don't want to be able to reach enemies

or

for when you don't feel like dealing direct damage

welp, that green got ruined

fucking Hadron

[runic gate]

https://tenor.com/view/vape-nation-gif-18064541

You want to rip fatter clouds my dude

[austere estuary]

still not working here either

game is fine

[ashen schooner]

update went through, only thing it did was break the armory app

[foggy whale]

armory app is working fine for me atm, using firefox on desktop

[cloud heron]

Just curious, had you already logged into it a few hours ago?

[floral solstice]

Still not working for me on mobile, kiwi browser

[foggy whale]

yes

[idle bay]

-How much CLEAVE to do you want?

[hexed valley]

Couldn't find command 'much CLEAVE to do you want?'

[rose lily]

why not use kinetic flayer?

[shadow wigeon]

for purg? doesnt make any sense. you'll just randomly bb something now and then. Much better off with 6 warp charges and the benefits.

[rare furnace]

Six warps is usable if you have two psykers I think

Cause there is chance of you to both stack

[austere estuary]

with purg you generate charges like nobody's business - it's common to see 3 or more appear in a single secondary channel on a pack

[rare furnace]

Also best moment with kinetic is when you headpop elite with forcesword do soulblaze around if you have the talent and quell that 10 perill

Is chefs kiss

Do you guys use the sucide bomb with wounds

[austere estuary]

no

it's terrible damage

[rare furnace]

Like most on high diff there is that one time I know I’m gonna die itry to do it so I get revived ez but I die before it explode..

Normal fall down it’s kinda mid

[cloud heron]

Yeah I never understand it when I see people running flayer with purge

[balmy zealot]

I use nothing but force swords, but this axe making me consider logging in

[cloud heron]

You should literally never attempt to blow yourself up. If you're in trouble, hold up block, start shoving, and try to dodge out of it

[rigid blade]

Yes, I love being a suicide bomb in games.

[rare furnace]

I kinda figured yeah thx

[cloud heron]

the damage is comparable to a vet's frag grenade

and they get those for free

[rigid blade]

Which means they get to save on Frag Grenades for more important times

[rough egret]

Do you do increase damage or peril resist with the 6 warp trade and purg

[rocky cedar]

Did some meat grinder testing and currently equipped weapon perks do seem to affect soul blaze. At least for Ascendant Blaze they do

[cloud heron]

For purge I prefer peril resist because it also combos with warp nexus, but it wouldn't take much for someone to talk me into damage

[rocky cedar]

An infested roll on one of your weapons to merc hordes quicker might not be a bad idea

[rough egret]

Ya I’ve been running peril resist since damage modifier is dump for purg

[rare furnace]

So Infested dmg on weapon increase soul blaze ?

[rough egret]

Mind telling me all your feats so I know I’m not way off?

[rocky cedar]

Well I tested with a gun that had + damage against elites and when I swapped to it while soulblaze was active the dot amount increased for elite enemies

I assume it would work the same for all damage perks

[cloud heron]

This is what I use for purge

[rough egret]

thanks a bunch

[cloud heron]

kinetic overload is also fun

[rough egret]

essence harvest is better than quiettude for purg?

because of the warp charge generation?

[shadow wigeon]

Quietitude is a safer bet, but essence synerigizes with it

[rocky cedar]

I just suggested infested since it would make AB kill poxwalkers a good bit faster

[cloud heron]

You should be getting a pretty consistent flow of charges

because of AB yeah

Then this is what I use for surge

and void

[shadow wigeon]

AB with 4 warp charges isn't super useful unless there's a purg pysker with you.

[rocky cedar]

Why not warp absorption for void?

[cloud heron]

probably a good idea

[rough egret]

ty ty

[cloud heron]

I build charges with flayer and communion and then ult when there's trouble

[shadow wigeon]

Sure but 4 charges just doesn't do much

[rocky cedar]

Debatable. You hit a shit tonne of targets so it's still a lot of cumulative damage

[cloud heron]

it will kill poxwalkers on damnation, which are usually what i'm trying to kill with it

because surge can't clear hordes well by itself

[rocky cedar]

Also things get chipped all the time so it will probably still kill a lot of stuff with 4 charges

Yeah 4 charges with KF is good if you're using AB without Purg

6 charges can be a crap shoot to get without Purg and AB is still a shit tonne of group damage

[cloud heron]

oh right, it's because void sucks at killing the spread out shooters that are eating all of my toughness, so I started using quietitude for cross synergy with barrage and the staff itself

so i can regen toughness when I'm doing either thing

[rough egret]

@cloud heron thanks for sharing 🙂

[rocky cedar]

Void generates peril a bit too slow to take quietude for my liking but fair enough. Also I almost never use void so I probably shouldn't comment

[cloud heron]

well i also hate void so maybe someone that actually likes it has better opinions on it than I do

[rocky cedar]

I'm a trauma fanboy, I live a lonely life

[shadow wigeon]

I just find that often it's not practical damage, ie the team would have dealt with it anyway. But I havent used it since i stopped using purg so maybe I can give it another chance.

[rocky cedar]

As Forblaze said it feels good for surge to help with dense hordes

[cloud heron]

When I play with surge, my #1 problem is nobody on my team being able to horde clear

[rough egret]

same

[cloud heron]

and I can somewhat deal with every other threat

but not hordes

[shadow wigeon]

For Surge I use Kinetic Barrage, to keep warp stacks at max, and ocassionally some clutch BB

vent while retaining stacks

[shadow wigeon]

i guess i havent had that for awhile, have been grouping in LFG channel and generally someone has horde clear setup

[cloud heron]

but obviously as soon as I equip a purge staff it matches me with 2 flamer zealots and another purge staff

[shadow wigeon]

yeah I just realized I havent used purg for a very long time now.

[rose lily]

so are you able to frequently time 6 charges and the combat ability with a horde?

[shadow wigeon]

If you're running purg on higher difficulty, you're at 6 charges almost all the time.

Lower difficulty is actually deceptive because of the lack of enemies

[maiden wolf]

Okay, I have a real questionfor y'all: What do YOU think Psyker's role should be.

[worn cypress]

I love whenever that happens, feels so appropriate purging heretics to oblivion with holy flames++

[regal musk]

Pure destruction.

[shadow wigeon]

I sit the pox bursters down so someone else can kill them.

[cloud heron]

Well it's not like other classes are pigeonholed into a single role. I think psyker can fill the role of horde clear pretty well already and I think they should be able to fill heavy armor killer role as well. I don't think the surge CC setup should actually exist

[maiden wolf]

Is there a reason you don't like surge? I guess stunbotting is kind of a lame role.

[shadow wigeon]

I feel personally attacked

[cloud heron]

It's not that I don't like surge, I just don't think CC is what they actually intended it to be and it's just kind of a janky role

and no other class has an analogue to it

[maiden wolf]

It would be great if the staff were more interactive. Like if you painted two targets and created an arc between them.

[cloud heron]

actually I guess ogryn does have an analogue to it, so maybe it was what they intended it to be

but also 2/5 of the stats are obviously not supporting the way people use the staff, so maybe it's not

[regal musk]

I'd like it more if it was made to be the reverse of the Voidstrike.
Where Voidstrike is essentially a railgun that penetrates, Make Surge Staff a tesla blast that chains from the first target hit to the sides of that target.
Not a held thing like it is now, but a blast like voidstrike does so you can charge a followup while the initial shot is chaining around.

[maiden wolf]

Yeah, or what if clickig a target causes a new ark to connect to them so long as you hold down M2, whenever a target dies it frees up a new arc to connect to a new target.

[rapid flicker]

@still hearth i switch to 5-1 feat from 5-2 and i feel like i gain more toughness from 5-2 feat situationally

[regal musk]

I'd be OK with that, assuming its building peril the whole time, scaling off the target count.

[rapid flicker]

i mean to 5-2 from 5-1

i think 5-1 is better

30% overtime after bb

bb happens too often it’s way more toughness per bb than per kill

[floral solstice]

you're running 2-1 on surge or is that because you're using force sword

[rose lily]

that makes sense, would you say higher difficulty is high intensity T3 and more?

[shadow wigeon]

Yeah

[wheat quartz]

I feel charge starved in normal malice

Even with taking flayer instead of 6 charges

[shadow wigeon]

Also ascendant blaze is much stronger at higher difficulty, because you’re often getting 4-6 charges back just from the blaze.

[wheat quartz]

Yeah, higher density just really makes it comfortable to rely on always having your charges back from Communion/AB

[shadow wigeon]

Warp charge, not bb.

[rapid flicker]

you get warp charge on bb

so bb

[regal musk]

on BB Kill

[rapid flicker]

semantics

[shadow wigeon]

Kinetic flayed is max 1 every 10 seconds. So that is not very often.

[wheat quartz]

Also if your vet's lasgun is magically attracted to glowing blue heads getting charges off BB kills is pretty unreliable

[shadow wigeon]

You get wrap charges from communion kore frequently than bb.

[rapid flicker]

use purge staff g

[wheat quartz]

Yes, but then you're getting charges off AB/Communion, not BB.

[regal musk]

yEAH IF YOU TOOK THEM ...

Caps lol sorry

[shadow wigeon]

If you’re using purg, you don’t use flayer, so you’re not proccing bb

[rapid flicker]

i am though?

[shadow wigeon]

Well that’s a bad build.

[warped perch]

If you use purg with communion, flayer, and AB, your stacks will constantly be at 4 even when dumping them with AB

[rapid flicker]

ive beat every lvl on damnation and clutch carry

[rapid flicker]

read this

[warped perch]

?

[rapid flicker]

talking to mmmiles

[warped perch]

Oh

[shadow wigeon]

That doesn’t make the build good.

[rapid flicker]

you just dont know what youre talking about I think

try the build

[shadow wigeon]

You’re proccing bb on randoms with purg staff when you could have 6 stacks.

[shadow wigeon]

No.

[rapid flicker]

i dont need 6?

[shadow wigeon]

Ok

[rapid flicker]

4 is just fine and proccing bb is good

you just dont know

and you can meta macro light attack with purge for easy procs

[warped perch]

Imo having 6 doesn't make too much of a difference and they don't last long anyway but I think it could go either way it's not set in stone

[rapid flicker]

i think it can go my way for a better build

[warped perch]

Plus flayer can clutch sometimes at the right time with a one shot

But like I said that's my opinion

[wheat quartz]

Flayer doesn't smart target, IIRC. If you have X entities being hit by the flame staff, the proc doesn't pick an elite, it might just hit any random poxwalkers right?

[shadow wigeon]

Correct. 1 extra bb every 10 seconds is uselsss for purge.

[rigid blade]

We talking about that 6 charge perk?

[shadow wigeon]

You should be proccing warp charges constantly.

[rapid flicker]

if your maxing out at 4 warp charges and proccing every time then the combat scenario you're in is good; you're killing most things

[rigid blade]

Goes well with Ascended Blaze for dealing with Elite mooks more away from you.

[warped perch]

Well yeah for me it mostly just is an extra way to keep max stacks, not necessarily for the damage

[rapid flicker]

you as the player can light attack specific targets and bb proc

[regal musk]

Warp Charges just shouldn't be tied exclusively to BB killshots. Horrible design decision to do that

[rapid flicker]

skill issue

[shadow wigeon]

Wtf are you doing

[rapid flicker]

light attack with purge staff

and get bb procs

[shadow wigeon]

I have no words.

[rapid flicker]

you dont know the meta??

[wheat quartz]

In the case of a dense horde with elites in it, M1 will still hit lots of targets, and flayer will still not smart target

In the case of a small number of targets where M1 can have it's target count constrained do you need the proc? Wouldn't it be faster to just melee them?

[rapid flicker]

also idk

i havnt had an issue with it

[shadow wigeon]

is this a joke

[rigid blade]

To be fair it has good knock back, good way to get an enemy off you.

[rapid flicker]

let me find the vid

[wheat quartz]

Though if it did smart target

That would be pretty cool

[shadow wigeon]

you're going to LMB purg for a 10% chance, every 15 seconds?

what's the dps on that like... 30?

even with anim cancel you're still 1/15seconds

[shadow wigeon]

do the math

[rapid flicker]

here

[shadow wigeon]

After all this a rickroll.

[rapid flicker]

I wish

[wheat quartz]

macro cancelling with the tap quell animation cancel it looks like?

that's a high fire rate

[shadow wigeon]

But has no effect on Kinetic Flayer

[rapid flicker]

bb proccing is great

you just dont know

[shadow wigeon]

Dude it's 825 damaage / 15 seconds, 55 DPS untargettable

why not hit him with a rock

and the essence harvest benefit for a purg setup is almost 0

[rose lily]

would you still keep psychic communion then, or use psykinetic's aura?

[rapid flicker]

youre bb proccing dawg

so dense

[shadow wigeon]

once. every. 15. seconds.

[rapid flicker]

so?

twice

[shadow wigeon]

so that's... 55 dps.

[rapid flicker]

55 dps on one target for 3 seconds bb proc abusing

plus

light attack with purge staggers

[wheat quartz]

wait if you're just shooting M1 at one target - and it has to be one target because otherwise it may not hit your target because of AoE - for three seconds, why not just pull out your force sword and special hit him?

[rapid flicker]

you cant keep mobs off you for 15 seconds?

[shadow wigeon]

waht are you talking about dude. you make no sense.

[ashen schooner]

come on man he's trolling you

[shadow wigeon]

OK

[rapid flicker]

going into a fight theres a high chance you get at least 1 bb starting the engagement

[rapid flicker]

which one

[wheat quartz]

but if it's on a poxwalker it was wasted entirely

[rose lily]

would you still keep psychic communion then, or use psykinetic's aura?

[shadow wigeon]

i should have given up at the rickroll.

[rapid flicker]

you get toughness from it anyway

[shadow wigeon]

Communion

[rapid flicker]

so not true

[shadow wigeon]

If he's trolling then he's committed to the bit.

[rapid flicker]

so

[floral solstice]

what i found somewhat funny about your argument is the fact that a purg build with or without flayer is viable in high intensity t5 anyway

[shadow wigeon]

Communion, and it's almost overkill. If you use essence harvest you'll have tons of toughness during big fights, but you will be vulnerable outside of them.

[rapid flicker]

between bbs theres 10 seconds at which you arnt gaining toughness excluding coherency

[rapid flicker]

thats where it falls

[shadow wigeon]

that's not even....how any of this works...

[rapid flicker]

during 5 seconds youre gaining 30% toughness

[rapid flicker]

dude

[shadow wigeon]

If you're running purg on heresy+ you should be proccing AB soulblaze and coher warp stacks way fater than flayer.

like flayer is not even noticeable.

and you're giving up 12% warp res and 6% dmg.

for a meme

[rapid flicker]

you get two bb procs

[wheat quartz]

No that makes sense, if you assume a flayer proc every 15 seconds, you are getting 5 seconds of essence harvest every 15 seconds, leaving 10 seconds of downtime between procs assuming no other gain of warp charges

[rapid flicker]

essence harvest

[shadow wigeon]

you have a 10% chance to proc, unless you can attack 10/second - and if you're using your staff, you should be proccing already.

[rapid flicker]

once you pop bb you start gaining 30 percent toughness

and it increases you bb proc rate

not essense harvest

but flayer does i mean

so while you gain toughness theres only 10 seconds until next bb proc to gain more toughness

[wheat quartz]

But that relies on the assumption you can force proc flayer on cooldown

[rapid flicker]

and your bb proc rate is two and it doubles the percetage at which you proc bbs

[shadow wigeon]

What about the other 5 warp charges you're getting... you know.. frm the purg staff.

[rapid flicker]

what?

[shadow wigeon]

what what

[wheat quartz]

I think unless you've got a horde or use that macro it's probably unreliable, and in a horde you can get charges way faster from AB/Communion kills for 100% essence harvest uptime

Does essence harvest reset duration or does it stack btw?

[rapid flicker]

wrong asf

[shadow wigeon]

If you are running a purg staff, in a fight... you should be getting 2-5 warp chrages every 15 seconds. Flayer is unnoticeable.

what are you doing to not get that.

[regal musk]

It doiesnt stack. Its basically just 6% Toughness regen per second while active.

[rapid flicker]

you can easily get a bb proc in a small fight with kinetic flayer

[rigid blade]

Explain my luck then.

[floral solstice]

if warp charges expired slower or at least 1 stack at a time i'd be convinced to use it more

[rapid flicker]

you get less bb procs though

[wheat quartz]

Well there's two scenarios here
A) Horde - in which flayer doesn't matter if you have AB/Comm, we assume you have warp charges coming in fast enough that you have harvest permanently active
B) Scattered small targets / patrols - where AB/Comm charge gain is unreliable, but if you can force flayer to proc every 15 seconds reliably, you can also reliably get essence harvest rolling with 33% uptime

So in scenario B

The question is whether you can force flayer to proc reliably

[rapid flicker]

you CAN by macro light attacking

[stray pond]

So much for having all my Psyker penances done, this ain't happening

[rapid flicker]

thats what i been saying

ofc when its appropriate

so communion dont mean shit anyways

[shadow wigeon]

wut

[rapid flicker]

with kinetic flayer you dont need your teammates

like with commuinion

[shadow wigeon]

yes I get the impression you have a ... unique playstyle.

[rigid blade]

I'm pretty sure Communion still works even if you have no one next to you.

[rapid flicker]

they have to be in coherency dudee

so they have to be near yo

you

[regal musk]

All of the COherency traits basically work like this. Including the CDR one

[shadow wigeon]

It does, it's just 4% of your kills. It's not huge if you solo.

[regal musk]

Aura is a Feat i think a lot of people sleep on. Especially with how many speciuals spawn in T4+ lol

[rigid blade]

I use it for toughness regen

[rapid flicker]

and dense players usually make you go solo

and if youre solo youre more likely to die

[shadow wigeon]

Are you sure they are the problem

[rapid flicker]

im positive

if youre in coherency then youre teammates can protect you anyways

[shadow wigeon]

I use it with Surge, not purgatus

[rigid blade]

tbh i've only ever met 2 players on Damnation who are just asshats, one thought he was helping by being the rudest sonuvabitch possible, and another apparently dislikes when other people talk.

[wheat quartz]

Flayer isn't enough to AB 4 stack every 30 seconds, it gives you two charges maximum during that time assuming it goes off exactly on cooldown. You still need AB/communion to go off twice during that 30 second period

[shadow wigeon]

So your strategy is to solo damnations with a purge staff, spamming LMB to get a BB every 15 seconds

[rose lily]

the high peril doesn't become a problem?

[wheat quartz]

I like it in combination with kinetic barrage when I'm using void

[floral solstice]

who sleeps on aura

[rapid flicker]

i dont solo but when you split up then people start dying

[rigid blade]

No? If you're below 94 even if you use BB it wont turn you into a suicide bomb

[floral solstice]

aura is so busted with barrage

[rapid flicker]

hence why the build is clutch

[wheat quartz]

Pop pop pop pop pop
And my F is back let's do it again

[floral solstice]

whic build?

[rapid flicker]

you might not have your team

[rigid blade]

Once ya pop, ya can't stop.

[shadow wigeon]

Purg with kinetic flayer, spam LMB to proc essence harvest, it's the new damnation meta. /s

[rapid flicker]

agreed

[rigid blade]

Which one is essence harvest again?

[floral solstice]

1-1

[rigid blade]

Oh yeah that, I use that a lot.

I gotta try it as a gun psyker one day

[rapid flicker]

its a clutch build

you just havnt tried it n dont know

[shadow wigeon]

You got it, boss

[rapid flicker]

youre proc rate litterly goes up to 25% with kinetic flayer

you dense bro

[wheat quartz]

wait what

[rapid flicker]

with ascendant blaze and kinetic flayer

and essence farm

@shadow wigeon missed that train though

[wheat quartz]

Flayer is 10% per damage instance, ICD 15s, how does it go up to 25%
Wait are you adding up the proc chances for AB soulblaze kills, psychic communion and flayer

[shadow wigeon]

I have done my part someone else can take over

[rigid blade]

I don't think that's how it works, even if my mind tries to tell me otherwise at times.

[rapid flicker]

ascendent blaze gives you +10 bb proc chance

[fierce sinew]

That's definitely not how probabilities work

[rapid flicker]

and flayers gives you +15 percent

proc chance

[wheat quartz]

Wut?

[rapid flicker]

so 25% proc chance

[rigid blade]

Im not good at math in the slightest, but I dunno if that's how that works.

[fierce sinew]

The sum of independent probablities =/= the probability of succeeding one of them

[rapid flicker]

20 percent mb

im stoned rn too

[fierce sinew]

someone needs to go back to high school and retake statistics

if they think otherwise

[vagrant cedar]

i bet devs themselves got 0 idea how shit in game works, and you got people in here stating "facts"

[rigid blade]

That's a distinct possibility.

[rapid flicker]

so 20% proc rate while doing dmg per second

thats an ez essence harvest farm

[shadow wigeon]

How high are you

[rapid flicker]

just took some dabs out of the bong I ordered today

that came today I mean

[earnest peak]

thats a fast bong

[rigid blade]

Wouldn't the effective chance if added up be 20/200? Effectively 10% by that logic?

[rapid flicker]

@shadow wigeon inv to high intensity damntion game

i will fuckin show you the data

[shadow wigeon]

no thanks.

[rapid flicker]

tf?

[shadow wigeon]

You should read the feats and do some math.

[rapid flicker]

look

[shadow wigeon]

Yes, you have a 10% chance to get a warp stack, off soul blaze kills. There's no relation to Kinetic Flayer.

[rigid blade]

AB iirc has a 10% chance of getting a charge when an enemy with blaze is killed, Flayer has a 10% chance of activating but they are separate calculations. It's not a 20% chance over all, you're basically rolling twice to get a 10% chance twice, effectively being 20/200

[rapid flicker]

you read it wrong

[vagrant cedar]

this one gives extra 4%

[rapid flicker]

while in coherency

[shadow wigeon]

Flayer net DPS is around 55 base. Essence harvest doesn't (?) stack. If you badly need toughness in a small engagement, BB.

Richtofen's strategy is to spam Purg LMB to proc a BB in a small fight.

Otherwise in a big fight you should be getting warp charges faster anyway.

[rigid blade]

You're always in a coherency, even if you're just by yourself you are technically still in one.

So any kills by anyone in the coherency counts

[vagrant cedar]

so your perma chance to get warp is 4%, then you got 10% chance from soulblaze, and then you got another 10% once every 15s from a random brainburst, so it's like 24% but it's very situational and not 100% of the time

[rapid flicker]

so in conclusion

[fierce sinew]

The odds of a given kill proccing AB or communion is 13.6%, not 14

[vagrant cedar]

etc etc

[rapid flicker]

situationally

[fierce sinew]

1-(.9*.96)

[rapid flicker]

my build is better

[wheat quartz]

these are independent events which aren't predicated on each other, they occur on their own:

• when I do damage, if flayer isn't on cooldown, I have a 10% chance to set it off
• when a mob with soulblaze dies, I have a 10% chance to get a warp charge from AB
• when a mob dies, I have a 4% chance to get a warp charge from communion

It's not a collective 24% chance to get a warp charge, they're independent events, you can even roll all three of them at the same time

[shadow wigeon]

When you're high as shit, I suspect the DPS looks great.

[fierce sinew]

I can't tell if people are trolling or actual dropouts

[shadow wigeon]

If he's trolling he's been doing it for 15 minutes.

[rigid blade]

I got a high school diploma, that count?

[rapid flicker]

i aint gotta prove nothin to you

[rigid blade]

Then why have ya been arguing?

[regal musk]

Never underestimate an idiot.

[rapid flicker]

cuz im winning

situationally you dont need 6 warp charges

and increase proc with flayer

so how is it ba

bad

[rigid blade]

Ok but it strengthens my AB so ima use it anyway.

[rapid flicker]

like how do you think flayer is bad @shadow wigeon

you really dont need more warp charges

[shadow wigeon]

ok, boss

[rapid flicker]

why do you like your warp charges?

[fierce sinew]

More warp charges adds more damage than flayer unless you're an amputee in addition to be a dropout tbh

[rigid blade]

Elaborate on how for me? I believe you I just want to see how exactly.

[shadow wigeon]

Everytime you get a warp charge, a pox walker somewhere blows up.

[floral solstice]

well let's be real here, you can play purg just fine without warp charges on damnation

[rapid flicker]

or rager

[floral solstice]

stick to your builds and call it a day bois

[rapid flicker]

you litterlly dont need that extra 9 percent dmg dawg

[rigid blade]

I run 000000

[fierce sinew]

you get 6% more damage on everythi g just by having them, you get additional warp resistance which means higher uptime, your AB shout applies more stacks and does more damage

[rapid flicker]

id rather have my chances of a proc be greater

[floral solstice]

the only valid answer

[regal musk]

Yeah, You're just doing a straight 12%~ less damage than f you had them lol.
Thats my whole issue with WCs. Its a kick in the teeth for not maintaining them, but maintaining them is in itself a kick in the teeth.

[shadow wigeon]

there are still new folks in here hoping to learn

[rapid flicker]

i meant extra 6% dmg

[rigid blade]

I see.

[rapid flicker]

you dont need it

it does nothing

[fierce sinew]

the uptime the additional warp resistance buys you adds a lot more

[rapid flicker]

youre already stunning and killing shit

[floral solstice]

yeah well someday fartshart will design a better mechanic for warp charges...or you know, just extend the duration and have it lose stacks 1 by 1 instead

[rapid flicker]

so the feat is useless imo

[floral solstice]

bro im just memeing there lol

[rapid flicker]

id rather insta kill two shot gunners in front of me on a whim than do a measly 6% more dmg

cmon bro

[floral solstice]

considering how long this argument has been going on

[shadow wigeon]

I know... but dang if new folks can't tell what's crazy and what's not right

[regal musk]

Mate, its not an intant kill if it take syou 2 shots XD

[rigid blade]

All I did was say I run 000000

[rapid flicker]

you get double bb on procs

[fierce sinew]

on t5 a 6 charge shout kills every shooter in a 30 meter cone in front of you, through walls, with zero randomness or internal cooldown

it's not close

[rigid blade]

Do you know if it kills Snipers?

[rapid flicker]

so does 5?

theyre burning anyways

[floral solstice]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmiMwopihNw&t=1028s chocob running purg true duo with no warp charge feats, relying on flayer for essence harvest or during kinetic barrage spams

[rapid flicker]

and if theyre behind a wall all they doing is burning

[fierce sinew]

you need warp batter to have 5

[rapid flicker]

and

while they burn your bb is proccing

oh so its 4

couldnt remember

[rigid blade]

I thought Soulblaze doesnt proc Flayer

[rapid flicker]

bro

its all attacks

sheesh

[fierce sinew]

your bb procs on one that was going to die anyway, your cooldown wasted and your talent does nothing for another 15 seconds. Sick value

lmao

[rigid blade]

I've been playing games for a long time, at this point I don't take what a game says at face value anymore.

[rapid flicker]

nothing for another 10 seconds technically

[fierce sinew]

CD is 15

[rapid flicker]

youre already gaining toughness for the 5 seconds you waited for the cool down

[rigid blade]

I thought the CD was 30?

[fierce sinew]

gaining toughness doesn't change the cd

[rapid flicker]

you cant keep guys off you for 10 seconds?

[fierce sinew]

the CD on flayer

[rigid blade]

Ohhh oops.

[rapid flicker]

the CD?

[shadow wigeon]

What he's trying to suggest is that Harvest give you toughness for 5 of the 15 seconds of Flayer's cooldown.

[fierce sinew]

you're talking about keeping guys off you that would have been evaporated already if you picked a non troll talent

[rapid flicker]

6% dmg doesnt do shit my guy

[rigid blade]

How well does Flayer work in regards of Gun Psyker?

[rapid flicker]

youre trippin

[rigid blade]

It does.

[floral solstice]

the gun doesn't do anything special to how flayer works

[rapid flicker]

plus

[shadow wigeon]

If you have good positioning you can run almost any build you want.

[fierce sinew]

6 charge shout is a lot more than 4 because soulblaze stacks nonlinearly

[rapid flicker]

you need to be in a big fight while to even have 6 warp charges

so its pointless

[rigid blade]

I usually just light em all on fire, BB shooters and soon I got enough

[rapid flicker]

youre already wrecking shit with purge in a big fight

[fierce sinew]

if you're an amputee with zero uptime because you're constantly quelling because you have no warp res because you have no charges sure

[ashen schooner]

I can't believe you guys are still arguing with this guy

[fierce sinew]

I'm in traffic with nothing better to do

[rigid blade]

Oh right that reminds me, when charging Purg, lets say im at 90%, if I hit 100% before releasing will I explode?

[rapid flicker]

all i get is charges with the build

[earnest peak]

this is key

[rapid flicker]

it has a higher proc rate

than the build you suggest

so youre wrong

[near wyvern]

Gathering 6 stacks takes a lot of time. If you are running purgatus you are better of with Psycinetic's Aura and pushing off multiple 4 stack shouts in quick succession. You use the shout to bump up the stacks for your staff.

[rapid flicker]

Pygex gets it

[fierce sinew]

Most of the time you refund back up to 6 before the shout cooldown is up

[rapid flicker]

in a big fight

where 6% dmg doesnt matter

fr

[fierce sinew]

what solo boss rush mode are you playing

[shadow wigeon]

I just tried full purg at 95% and didn't pop.

[rigid blade]

Just to make sure on the same page, you charged from 95 to 100 and then released

[rapid flicker]

im not solo, you really dont need warp absorption if youre with youre squad anyways

[wheat quartz]

say does aura give you the ult CDR if someone else kills the elites?

I didn't think it did that

[fierce sinew]

the grace window before blowing up is very generous, you have a lot of time to see that you hit 100 and stop

[shadow wigeon]

no i released at 95. Trying what you suggested now.

[near wyvern]

It gives only to the person landing the killing blow and they must be within coherency of the psyker.

[shadow wigeon]

start at 95, full charge staff, fire = pop.

[rigid blade]

I see, can ya try at 90 then? I remember that being the threshold for BB

[wheat quartz]

Ok, in which case spamming AB 4 stack with aura would work only if we were getting the elite kills rather than vet kill stealing us constantly, but if we were that would be higher output of stacks per unit time

[floral solstice]

wait that also works on other players? i actually havent tested that

[shadow wigeon]

90 still popped

[rigid blade]

So if ya hit 100 while firing it just blows ya up, unless the window is something different, thanks

[shadow wigeon]

Yeah starting at 85 still popped

This is with 0 extra warp res.

[rigid blade]

I suppose i'll just have to use shorter bursts when at high peril.

[wheat quartz]

You won't pop if the density is high enough to proc the 10% peril reduction on kill

Reliably

[floral solstice]

well holy shit why did i only notice that now, i do know that i have to pop heads myself to reduce wrath's cd but never thought about it affecting team too

[rigid blade]

Time to be a jackass and change my feat

[floral solstice]

the wet dream of a flamer zealot

[shadow wigeon]

Yeah it's quite neat, amazing for zealot's, not so much for some vets.

[rigid blade]

I might either switch to Communion or Laceration

[floral solstice]

imagine if ogryn can refund bull rush cd for every target bull rush hits

pain train build

[rigid blade]

Fun fact: Did you know up to 3 DaemonHosts can spawn in Hi-Int Damnation

[wheat quartz]

you have to kill an elite to get cdr though

[rigid blade]

Honestly i'd have preferred if it lowered the CDR by 5% but have it so when an ally in coherency kills an Elite it benefits everyone in the coherency.

[floral solstice]

was this a reply to my ogryn comment?

[wheat quartz]

yeah

[floral solstice]

bro i was just memeing....

2nd time i have to say this today sadge

[wheat quartz]

Lol no worries

[rigid blade]

One of these days im gonna make a Bleed Ogryn build, just to piss people off.

[wheat quartz]

Though actually how much damage does ogryn charge do? Could we actually do that on hi intensity 5?

[floral solstice]

nah lol

the bleed feat on bull rush is crap

[wheat quartz]

wait I know what can do that

[manic needle]

Pretty sure an examination of the source code proved that specific entry in the guide untrue

[wheat quartz]

A gun zealot

[manic needle]

+testing on the parts of others here

The Psyker has to land the KB, which benefits all allies in coherency

[wheat quartz]

F for armour piercing

[rigid blade]

Interesting.

[wheat quartz]

Kill stuff with brauto while under F
Psyker fren gives you F CDR on elite kill

Permanent armour piercing

[floral solstice]

then that's still better than what i used to think it does: benefitting only me as long as im in coherency and doing the killing myself

[rigid blade]

Is it possible to stop yourself going forward at all with Zealots Ult, I know you can stop midway but im asking if there's a way to make it so I dont move at all

[manic needle]

It's a good feat to take if your build doesnt rely on Communion for stacks, definitely

[floral solstice]

good thing i love barrage and hate warp charges

[floral solstice]

well if you get blocked by something or cancel it fast enough you can...somewhat...do that

unless there's a method i havent heard of

[rigid blade]

Ramming face first into the wall "For the Emperor" doesn't seem like the most ideal solution.

[rapid flicker]

so technically you can get 2 bb procs at anytime running my build with 20% chance on first hit to gain warp charge

[near wyvern]

Ulting on a rager/mauler pack and flaming it with a staff will get you surprisingly many kills. Also snipers, bombers and trappers killed with BB will help you get refunds.

[rapid flicker]

to then enable essence

after first bb proc the proc rate is reduced to 10 percent

[near wyvern]

Yes it gives to anyone killing an elite OR special (it says only elite but works on specials too!) They just have to be within the Psyker's coherency aura

[rapid flicker]

wait

no ignore me im 2 high for this im goin to lay down

[floral solstice]

well according to levanon just now some tests claims it's untrue

ok we need a duo to test aura right now

[rigid blade]

Gonna need a pocket Psyker for when I play Vet now

[near wyvern]

That's also one of the reasons purge is so good. You have a psyker with purge and a vet with X12 and the two have all targets covered and enable each others.

[rigid blade]

Nah, I just want Unwavering Focus to be on 24/7

[wheat quartz]

You can do that without the aura

Just need enough density

[rigid blade]

But with both I’d be unstoppable

[wheat quartz]

+6 seconds per kill right?

[near wyvern]

As long as the vet is not running chameleon lol or whatever it was called that makes the ranged obliterate the psyker next to him

[rigid blade]

Complete refresh of the Ult timer

[wheat quartz]

yeah you don't need the aura lol

[rigid blade]

Instructions unclear, running Camo Expert

[rigid blade]

I don’t need it but Emperor knows I WANT IT!

[floral solstice]

armory extension still not working for me

[rigid blade]

Oh shit it’s not just you then, I’m having problems with it as well.

[sage glacier]

i made a psyker it is very tricky you all have my respect

[rapid flicker]

try my build. i just killed 2 shot gunners and a rager within 10 seconds

all bb kills

im telling you. you just dont know bro

bb procs i mean

you dont need 6% more dmg, you need more bb procs

higher survivability imo

6 percent more dmg wouldnt have killed that entourage

and you can constantly bb bosses alike with bigger drops of dmg instead of a 6 percent dmg boost

all while purging

@shadow wigeon

so you kill specials faster also

[cyan notch]

why are you still on this lmao

[rapid flicker]

so your special charges faster

because hes missing out

[floral solstice]

jesus christ are you still on this

[rapid flicker]

and i find it interesting

[cyan notch]

the guy youre talking to ended the conversation like an hour ago

[rapid flicker]

shame on me

[floral solstice]

if he is indeed missing out then what does that have to do with you?

[rapid flicker]

because it was an interesting discussion about game mechanics

[manic needle]

Extra Warp Charges aren't for beefing up brain burst. You dont hit many breakpoints on Damnation, and the ones you do arent that important. Reapers go from 4 -> 3 bursts to kill with 6 stacks, and Crushers 4 -> 3 + Maulers 3 -> 2 with 4 stacks

[rapid flicker]

im not bb with the ability im bb with purge staff

[manic needle]

If anything stacks of Warp Charge are the most useful for beefing up soulblaze and your other weapons

[rapid flicker]

6 percent dmg buff isnt a lot

sure it helps your special but my build gets your special back faster

[manic needle]

It makes a significant difference on soulblaze ticks, really

As do other sources of +power

[rapid flicker]

no it doesnt?

tick rate is timed

has nothing to do with dmg

[cyan notch]

you do more damage per tick

[rapid flicker]

has nothing to do with bb tick

[manic needle]

Kind of wierd to assume I meant tick rate, but okay

[rapid flicker]

besides the fact your doing dmg to begin with

[manic needle]

You should play the build you like that works for you.

[rapid flicker]

he said my build was bad and hes dead wrong

[manic needle]

People legitimately play Gun Psyker, some even do well enough to be considered a contributing member of the team

Skill > build

[rapid flicker]

I presented a perfect example how its better than 6% more dmg

[rapid flicker]

we're talking about purge builds specifically

[manic needle]

Yeah I popped in and skimmed chat a while ago

[rapid flicker]

6% more dmg in the scenario I gave wouldnt have helped me

or my special

my build has more synergy

while he likes doing more dmg

[still hearth]

Makes sense. Idk if people have checked if 5-1 it's bugged like the Zealot feat and gives more than it says it does too.

[rapid flicker]

6% more dmg with warp battery isn't worth losing the synergy you could've had running flayer and ascendant with the essence feat

essence feat is optional

[manic needle]

If Im running Essense Harvest then Id probably do it with a communion + AB build

Flayer wouldnt really factor in given its fairly long CD

[rapid flicker]

it goes along with ascendent feat

giving you the most optimal chances for a bb burst

on specials

[manic needle]

In my build, Warp Battery would be for powering up AB and making refunding stacks from pressing F that much more efficient, +decreasing TTK with soulblaze generally

But I use Voidstrike anyway so I dont really have a horse in this race.

[rapid flicker]

true because running 25-2 (cant remember the feat name) instead of warp battery while purging synergizes with flayer and the ascendant feat quickly recharging f

and essence feat, to synergize with the amount of bb procs

so you can kill 3 specials within 5 seconds situationally

as did i

you gain 30% toughness for 5 seconds overtime also allowing you to battle incoming ranged hits after bb proc

so you wait 10 seconds after that again to reactivate essence feat and while in 4-man squad coherency so youre gaining toughness from that aswell

and the build is good for both large fights and small special group encounters

[cyan notch]

warp battery isnt for 6% damage its for ascendant blaze and peril resist

[rapid flicker]

picking 15-2 feat instead of warp battery synergizes with killing specials faster with bb proc

boosting special recharge rate

[cyan notch]

i mean you can run aura with or without warp battery

[wheat quartz]

Warp battery (6 charges) is mutually exclusive with flayer (10% chance per damage instance to cast BB, 15 second ICD)

Aura is on a different column

[rapid flicker]

and to kill specials faster with bb proc is flayer+ascendant feats

[wheat quartz]

AB doesn't proc BB, only flayer does

[rapid flicker]

oh youre right

i meant getting a warp charge to synergize with essence feat

[cyan notch]

its pretty simple really people like 6 stack blaze killing ranged shooters on damnation and extra peril resist

if you dont think thats worth it then go flayer sure

[rapid flicker]

my peril resist is fine? i dont think its that big of deal with my build

considering i F pretty often

as the build synergizes to special faster

[cyan notch]

like i said

[rapid flicker]

and if my peril is high i can f and cool down fast within seconds. peril isnt that much of a block in the road

[cyan notch]

yes the peril resist is not the main point

its 6 stack blaze

[rapid flicker]

which yeah, i dont think is necessary. what else does warp battery do?

[cyan notch]

up to you then

[rapid flicker]

meant battery lol

just lets you kill shooters with one F attack?

[cyan notch]

if you dont think its worth it thats fine but some people do

not much to it really

[rapid flicker]

im more offended that he said the build was bad

[cyan notch]

yes with 6 stacks

[rapid flicker]

not something im gonna die over

id more likely die from the 2 shotgunners and rager

[cyan notch]

its the internet people are gonna disagree with you

[restive bay]

makes a stronger case for your build

[manic needle]

nuh uh not true

[cyan notch]

proof?

[blissful kestrel]

I am pretty sure there doesn't exist a build that someone wouldn't call bad.

If it works for you, have fun.

[manic needle]

s o u r c e ?

[rapid flicker]

he called the build bad while not having tried it or even knowing what kind of synergy or what kind of advantages it holds over other builds

just said im running a bad build

[idle bay]

Speaking of Dreams:
I dream of Deflector Blessing bonus (ability to block shots) being integrated into Kinetic Deflection feat and work for all melee weapons.
And Deflector Blessing itself on Force Sword change into Reflector - ability to reflect shots back !

[rapid flicker]

I find this dream fascinating

[idle bay]

Idea for payed cosmetics:
Visual change for Force Sword block animation into this

You can also turn to party member that nags too much into the chat and show it to him

I'd pay 50$ for that!

[vernal frost]

TF2 vortex shield system would be hella cool

[manic needle]

The first item worth purchasing that I've seen in the armoury in weeks

[cyan notch]

damn

[manic needle]

Pretty sure my current FS has better damage stats but thats probably worth upgrading anyway, since I dont have slaughterer and the secondary perk is good but not great for my usage

[idle bay]

Though Slaughterer on FS it like 10% damage bonus to nothing damage is still nothing damage.... sadly 😦

[balmy zealot]

found this on psyker, get or ignore

[rapid flicker]

special fs heavy attack though

that’s a lot of dmg

[manic needle]

No reason not to purchase 380's

If nothing else you have it for later if class/weapon balancing changes

[rapid flicker]

what is this ss from?

[manic needle]

Armoury Exchange addon for web browser

[rapid flicker]

oh cool

[balmy zealot]

yeah, it's a addon cause I sure aint going through several loading screens to find decent shit

I went ahead bought it, I still feel like gun psyker will always be a meme tho

[sonic coral]

which of these would you use?

[gilded cloud]

What's power do?

[gilded cloud]

That charge rate is absolutely heinous

[sonic coral]

true, but the min/max is actually very narrow on charge rate

[manic needle]

The top one having transfer peril still makes it better + the extra base charge rate will make for efficient spam in longer battles

I would have to look into whether or not Warp flurry with low charge rate is better than only high charge rate, but the amount of extra quelling youll be doing with the bottom one would likely cancel out extra benefits from Flurry anyway

RIP on Run 'n' Gun though

[sonic coral]

this makes a lot of sense, kind of what my gut is telling me. Any rec on what to reroll Stamina perk to? my instinct is to go with Maniac for culling mixed clumps

[gilded cloud]

Does a higher charge rate mean that only the secondary is charged faster or does this also mean that the peril generated is also faster because the rate is tied to the secondary charge rate.

Disregarding warp resistance

[sonic coral]

But, for shooter scenarios, flak might be preferable

[sonic coral]

Peril is generated at the same rate, so faster

also I didn't realize run + gun was useless on staves lol

[manic needle]

Im liking Flak damage on mine a lot more than I thought I would, I can charge less vs. scabs and still one shot. But yeah go for either of those, or maybe weak spot damage for general synergy with transfer peril.

I also need to go back and try out crit rate at some point but Im mostly on break from Darktide right now.

[sonic coral]

weak spot damage isn't a bad idea, thanks for the thoughts

[gilded cloud]

When you guys use voidstrike against a horde, do you guys just spam the secondary without charging it at the heads? I seem to notice that gives the best results

[manic needle]

No but mine has good charge rate + flurry so I end up fast spamming after a few attacks anyway

[forest coral]

Whatever let’s you cast infinitely to hold down a choke point

[sonic coral]

often yea, depending on horde comp. the floor damage of the secondary is still decent against trash and lower charge means lower peril which means more spam (and even smaller hits are staggering, generally)

it's slow and inefficient but it's (usually) functional

realistically I probably hit half charge the majority of the time

when doing that

[vernal frost]

Defines overall cleave stagger and damage iirc

[gilded cloud]

Yeah, I can't wait to get to level 30 so I could focus on the weapons and getting the best one

[manic needle]

Jokes on you, you still probably arent going to get anything good at 30 for a while!

[sonic coral]

total dice roll. at this point it's more frustrating than rewarding

[gilded cloud]

18 rn. So still a ways to go

[manic needle]

Thanks RNG loot system!

[gilded cloud]

Lololol, yeah, so I have heard but I don't mind still lol

[sonic coral]

Yea, it's actively making me play less and just check shop

[gilded cloud]

Yeah the extension works wonders lol. Until today hahaha

[sonic coral]

it's back up actually, let the gambling continue

[gilded cloud]

Yeah, I went to check right after I sent the message

Got something I've been wanting too so yay

Been looking for a 4% exp curio

Hopefully helps make the leveling up quicker

I mean... That's an extra 120+ exp per malice mission. I'll take what I can get

[steel egret]

Well, they say it can be used on purga regular attack, I still wouldnt want it.

So yes useless.

[manic needle]

Every staff LMB benefits, plus Trauma RMB

[steel egret]

Sure

[gilded cloud]

Doesn't affect movement speed on secondary attack while charging?

[manic needle]

It's still very much not worth it but hey

[steel egret]

I personally saw no difference.

But maybe there is.

[manic needle]

Run 'n' Gun and Sustained fire both only work on LMB attacks AFAIK, with the exception of Trauma staff Secondary + R'n'G

[steel egret]

Yeah didnt know about Trauma, I dont have it on Trauma, luckily.

All others otherhand I do or Terrifying Barrage.

Kind of stock blessings game gives me.

[vernal frost]

Any tips on duelling sabers?

[gilded cloud]

That's weird... Why it works on trauma but not the others..

[sonic coral]

I am going to run and gun at head level and quell peril until I gain enough power to achieve liftoff

[gilded cloud]

Trauma. Is still charging...

[manic needle]

Rare Trauma W

[steel egret]

Would like to try it on trauma.

[cyan notch]

you can run with surge secondary by default

[manic needle]

Youd think Run and Gun would give you a speed boost while doing so, but it doesnt lol

[gilded cloud]

That would be nice! Wish there was some way to apply a movement speed increase or run and gun to BB casting

[manic needle]

Well the thing about Surge secondary attack is that I'm almost positive that you dont sprint at full speed while doing it

It would be incredibly easy to make it so that Run 'n' Gun changes that, but it doesn't for some reason

[steel egret]

Im pretty sure most casting animations slow you down a bit.

By that I mean charged ones

[normal sequoia]

@manic needle fancy seeing you here 😄

[manic needle]

On break from zeroing corpos until the expansion comes out 😄

[normal sequoia]

Same tbh. Been popping heads and smashing punies while waiting for Phantom Liberty

[manic needle]

Yeah, it's a lifestyle

Ogryn + Psyker mains FTW

[idle bay]

Still waiting for hooded Ogryn outfit

[regal musk]

Spawn into mission inside green fire whiel stood on a bomber grenade with a charginug mutant 2 millimeters in front of me. Yeah that ended well. XD

I just wanted to trial my Purgatus staff since the game finally gave me one worth using ~_~

[quasi dove]

which perk should i swap out?

[spice veldt]

I'd say to swap out +elite dmg since you're usually going to be meleeing maniac enemies (Dreg Rager, Mutant, Flamers). I forget if the Scab Flamer counts as maniac. I'm pretty sure he does?

elites are enemies that pre-spawn on the map (Gunners, Ragers, Maulers, Bulwarks, Crushers, etc.)

[manic needle]

Flamers are maniacs. yeah

https://imgur.com/a/Selj5nI/layout/grid

[spice veldt]

neat

[cyan notch]

mainly for sliding

[manic needle]

Yeah slide mobility is fantastic, used to do it all the time with Surge

[near gale]

Are the #'s on that damage multipliers for melee and ranged?

I get m is melee and r is ranged, probably

[manic needle]

Yeah sorry, should have given the reddit link

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/z2pn4t/enemy_breed_armour_types_and_locational_damage/ixii2dl/

[near gale]

I just now decided to pay more attention to the #'s. I'm guessing ex2 is explosive damage x 2

[manic needle]

Yep, thats right

[near gale]

Wait... does ex2 apply to the Ogryn's grenade gauntlet's explosion, as well?

[manic needle]

I would assume so, yes.

[near gale]

I just also took note that relentless attacks on melee weapons do 2x the damage that strike down attacks do against unyielding enemies

I noticed that since weapons for ogryn like the shovel have strike down for the heavy 1 and relentless for the heavy 2 and the breakdown showed that they do more vs unyielding and less vs everything else.

I'm gonna check on my zealot to see if vanguard is the same

Vanguard does the least damage to unyielding.

[shadow onyx]

good question, i always wonder if vs maniac could reach a breakpoint, especialy with mutants

[manic needle]

It makes a notable difference on FS when using ordinary attacks

Which is good for when you cant afford to get locked into a special animation

[small hornet]

Melk makes me want to cry

[cyan notch]

post the power sword

[small hornet]

its mid

Melk is a rat bastard

[cyan notch]

honestly not the worst

youre losing like maybe 20 damage

first target is a bigger multiplier

[stray yacht]

@small hornet dang, had that force sword more damage and deflector you'd have a beast of a weapon.

[worn dagger]

I crai

[whole wharf]

Melk really does hate us Psykers, it's true....😔

[nocturne badge]

You guys get force weapons from melk?

[ornate hamlet]

I have like 5 legendary Force Swords without Deflector

😢

[nocturne badge]

Honestly I got a blue deflector sword with scuffed stats and it doesn't even matter that it's shit

Anything with deflector is a God roll

[manic needle]

Disappointed with the locked in perk + Uncanny Strike, but this is what I've been using for a while

[west galleon]

Looks pretty though

And i heard optics>use

[manic needle]

3 most important stats near max, I can replace the bad blessing later but Im locked in with unyielding damage unless they resdesign the system

But it was that or Sprint Efficiency IIRC

[idle bay]

I've been curious about Plasma and stepped into the vet chat...

I mean in psyker chat there is almost nothing to argue about. Save for completion - "what sucks less" (though secretly we know that things are not that bad really).

[manic needle]

Plasma chads are secretly the top of the Veteran food chain

[idle bay]

Also you have to vent it, like we quelling the peril - so this weekend i'm playing plasma vet

[manic needle]

you take a bit of damage when venting plasma rifle, just like Sienna's casting mechanic from VT2

From what Ive seen it's pretty manageable though

[idle bay]

Hmm.. and no temp HP to absorb that damage?

Or it goes into toughness first?

[manic needle]

Direct health

[idle bay]

ah... so plasma vets are slightly crispy on the outside 🙂

[manic needle]

They make for tastier treats for the Beast of Nurgle

[placid sorrel]

free face mist

[cobalt breach]

getting Kreiger energies there

[shadow onyx]

you cant complain

[cobalt breach]

i log in to see if Nurgle has any job application forms going

[ornate hamlet]

waiting for the vendor to refresh

almost tempted to get this, too bad MK VIII has such low damage per swing...

not sure if "first target" is even a dump stat actually

it's probably important

[cyan notch]

yes it is for single target weapons

[ornate hamlet]

so it's not important then?

or.. it is

i'm unclear of what it actually does

[cyan notch]

its important for single target weapons

[ornate hamlet]

ah, shit...that sux

[cyan notch]

increases damage on the first target you hit

you can hover over the stat itll tell you

[ornate hamlet]

hover over doesn't seem to do anything in shop or in my inventory

[cyan notch]

you have to press "V" to inspect

[ornate hamlet]

ah

lol, i've never even done this

[cyan notch]

well now you know

you can see what the range of stats are

[ornate hamlet]

so lets see...

that's pretty fucking annoying honestly

[ornate hamlet]

right, it's nerfing the damage if it's below 50% on all weapons that have a "first target" stat

if you have a weapon that has a "first target" stat, and the % is below 50, your damage is just nerfed lol

that's such stupid design honestly

[cyan notch]

nah below 1 doesnt mean damage nerf its kinda weird

if you see the finesse stat it shows 0.5x for crit and weakspot

[ornate hamlet]

well, i like that it shows the attack chains tho

[cyan notch]

but the actual damage isnt less than bodyshot

[ornate hamlet]

(heavy)

my actual numbers can exceed 1,200+ tho, often, on crits

[cyan notch]

depends on enemy type and blessings perks blahblah

[ornate hamlet]

it's the blessings

mostly

what would you say best perks and blessing are for axes?

i've messed around with decimator enough to know it's significantly boosting damage and working as tooltip says

when i consecrated this one to orange it added headtaker, which .. i don't think i like much

"on hit" means when you get hit by something, right?

[cyan notch]

no it means when you hit somthing

with your weapon

[ornate hamlet]

oh really? that's cool then

[cyan notch]

brutal momentum is always good for axes since they dont cleave a lot and the blessing lets you hit more targets for doing what you were going to do anyway (hit heads)

[ornate hamlet]

true, but..

that's not typically what i use axe for

i use purg, so

when my axe it out it's because there's not a bunch of shit i want to cleave

[cyan notch]

you can use thrust which gives u power for heavies or shred or decimator

[floral solstice]

can't say for sure if headtaker is decent on rashad, but for tac axes yeah

[cyan notch]

all boost single target damage

[wheat quartz]

The chainsword is a potential candidate here, it has very fast spammable downstroke high damage lights

And can roll shred

[ornate hamlet]

damnation

not too bad

for what the axe is

[floral solstice]

what's the max, non crit damage you can do on a t5 crusher's head?

[ornate hamlet]

hm.. head?

wouldn't that count as a crit?

[floral solstice]

no

[manic needle]

No, weak spot hit

[ornate hamlet]

oh ok yeah orange not yellow, gotcha.. lets see......

do you want light or heavy attack?

[floral solstice]

heavy

[ornate hamlet]

appears to be....

this is without any psyker buffs mind you

i have no charges

(the 1,400 was with no psyker buffs also)

this is an MK II axe

[floral solstice]

yeah looks good, definitely better than antax 5 w/ brutal + some crap or mid bless

[ornate hamlet]

with psyker buffs up

[floral solstice]

but iirc ive read people say that they dont use it because of some jankiness with the hits or something like that? can't even remember if it was that axe or the other mk

[ornate hamlet]

you have to just aim higher with axe to get the headshots

and it helps to be maximum height player model character

[floral solstice]

just test the axe against different elites/specials and if you don't mind how it feels then yeah, that thing's decent for single targets

headtaker 1 on heavy swords is already enough to melt hordes

no surprise that it bumps up damage that much compared to usual antax 5's who roll brut momentum

[ornate hamlet]

i tend to use purg staff for hordes, i use axe when i'm trying to quickly kill elites or specials and can afford to whip the axe out because there's not a hoard pushin me
i often do things like purg ranged enemies to stagger them switching to axe so that i can bonk them with a quick light attack to kill them once i reach melee

[floral solstice]

okay im testing it out on grinder rn

the rashad axe specifically

yeah some hits that are usually headshots on antax 5 aren't headshots on it

some weird crit spot detection idk

i guess if you can get past that then yeah go for it

[wheat quartz]

I've found that to be the case with the Rashad too (max height character)

I prefer the Antax

[manic needle]

FS with deflector actually pairs very well with Purgatus for this, as long as you dont mind losing the passive quell

[ornate hamlet]

i do mind tho

the only thing i don't like, is that you can't active quell with the axe out

but it's not really a prob

[manic needle]

Staff always has the most efficient active quell anyway tbh

[ornate hamlet]

yep, exactly

[floral solstice]

my god obvious headshots on ogryns with rashad dont register as headshots

yeah im not using that

antax 5 all the way for now

[ornate hamlet]

aim higher brother

[manic needle]

The GOAT

[lethal folio]

Rashad head priority is fucked.

[ornate hamlet]

lol..

[floral solstice]

i am

and it still feels fucked

[cyan notch]

i think they are gonna make fs quell in line with everything else

[floral solstice]

compared to easy ones on antax

so yeah, like i said earlier... if you can make the weapon work, then why not?

i personally would just use antax 5 instead

[cyan notch]

pretty silly that i quell while ressing faster

[ornate hamlet]

show me the attack patterns on MK 5?

MK II

[floral solstice]

it's the same

[ornate hamlet]

oh , hm...

then wtf

i have no clue why it's different then

[manic needle]

Speculation, or do you have any inside info?

[floral solstice]

my best guess is just fatshark things

[ornate hamlet]

yeh

spaghetti code

[manic needle]

I have next to nothing to go off of after getting Nextweek'd by the devs time and time again

[cyan notch]

i do not have inside info

[manic needle]

Sadge

[cyan notch]

its just weird that its the only one that has slower passive quell other weapons and medkits and even ressing has faster quell

[summer prairie]

FS quell would be the same if you could hit 100, iirc

[manic needle]

FS with Deflector could be quite powerful with the passive quell of other weapons

[cyan notch]

hit 100 what

[summer prairie]

Oh wait it doesn't have a quell stat, duh

Well staves would be

[ornate hamlet]

so...

it's possible to 2 shot bulwark with this axe on damnation

but not easy, need to have psyker buffs up and get 2 headshots with it (or a crit)

1432 is the hardest i think i've seen it hit

a crit headshot might 1 shot it? i have no clue

[cyan notch]

yea thats a spot people recommend to get that penance

[ornate hamlet]

oh really? yeah it's a pretty good one.
i got it at the other map with the bridge at the start of the map

[cyan notch]

yea that ones easier since u dont need to do the whole mission

[ornate hamlet]

the other players that witnessed that were probably like "noice"

[teal kite]

I got my penance like most of them when I stopped trying

[placid sorrel]

out of all my maxed classes, psyker is the most fun to play, bless psykers

[ornate hamlet]

even in the beta i could tell it would be most fun class, it was actually the strongest then too

it got nerfed super hard compared to what we had in beta

but it's still a lot of fun to play

[lone fractal]

dude. the psyker is wielding a power sword.

[ornate hamlet]

would be nice if we could use them

and charge them with chaos too 😄

[placid sorrel]

the only class i didnt play in beta was psyker tbh, but i was ded wrong

[near gale]

Wow, I feel so... completely underwhelmed by this blessing's effect...

It's from my lawn ornament.

[oblique hemlock]

It's the last penance I have myself, we'll get it, just gotta keep trying and prove we can beat their bullshit

[near gale]

Just remember to feel them up a bit with your melee... tenderize them, gently.

[oblique hemlock]

I'm gonna practice in the psykanium here in a bit

[maiden wolf]

Man, I got an MK2 axe with tier 4 thunderous.

[maiden wolf]

Womp womp. I was really hoping this one would be good enough to justify using the trauma staff.

[light quail]

oh, what could have been

[devout sentinel]

Just to help out our newcomer psykers if someone still needs to know this :)
https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/10gm2v0/psa_how_psykinetics_aura_really_works/

[long wharf]

in the closed beta, psyker had access to shotguns

[light quail]

yeah I remember that

did they also have braced autos or am I geekin out?

[maiden wolf]

http://gunshowcomic.com/comics/20081015.gif

Gameslantern still says they have braced autos

[light quail]

thought so

I remember you started with devil's claw and revolver in the cb as a psyker

now it's dc and laspistol

shoulda stayed revolver imo

[long wharf]

I still think psyker should only have pistols for guns

[light quail]

I'd be down for that
...if the pistols were worth using

[long wharf]

yeah

[light quail]

laspistol is nice but still feels a little weak beyond heresy

revolver has the infinite cleave so you can find a good bit of use in it

machine pistol?
not even worth it, even with the 15% extra on BB'd and the chance for BB on any hit

[warped perch]

I’m so fucking ticked off that nearly every shop cycle only has melee weapons and guns

Maybe ONE cycle has a trauma staff

[light quail]

trauma is a nice staff

[warped perch]

I’ve seen 2 voidstrike, 1 surge, and 1 purg in the past 2 days

[long wharf]

yeah, loot pool is flooded with guns

[warped perch]

It’s ridiculous

[light quail]

I love the trauma staff personally

played enough sienna to be able to aim the thing well and it has ridiculous amounts of stagger

enough to put a crusher on his arse

[warped perch]

Isn’t it bugged

[light quail]

so I hear

[mighty pike]

Anything cool or new happen recently

[light quail]

still capable of ruining hordes with enough time

[low ravine]

Any recommendations on melee weapons for psyker?

[light quail]

force sword, combat axe and devil's claw are my usuals for psyker

[covert nova]

I like Force Sword and Chain Sword.

[low ravine]

i think ive got a devils claw but feels slow

[cloud heron]

Force Sword all day every day

[low ravine]

may have to take ya up on that blaze. Im also LFG if anyones down to play, im lvl 13 tho

[covert nova]

Force sword for Heresy+ is what I use. Chain Sword for Malice and lower to farm grims/scripts

[cloud heron]

Force Sword is just so good at taking out big melee guys

stunlocks crushers and ragers, can snipe mutants as they run by you

[lapis bay]

Pretty much one shots ragers, and two shots reapers/carapace bulwarks

If you get deflector, it's super tanky--often even if I go full melee I have the most health in my party simply for how viable it is

[near gale]

Tfw even your lawn ornaments are telling you to do cardio(cause of the run and gun blessing)

[idle shuttle]

whens rebless

[cloud heron]

it's coming any day now

like right around the corner

[ornate hamlet]

Hey guys I have an idea

[cloud heron]

so close

[light quail]

deflector + peril on block is crazy for tanking ranged

[ornate hamlet]

Max wounds psyker and suicide bomb for max dps

What do you think

[long wharf]

I wouldn't say "crazy", it's "useful"

[flint wind]

What are good mods for the lightning staff?

[long wharf]

if peril blocking took into account peril resistance, it'd be flat out good

[long wharf]

you're trolling

either us or your striketeam

stop it.

[ornate hamlet]

this chat sucks

you all suck

take a lesson from #zealot-class

[valid lake]

nah zealots are just knife hobos

[lapis bay]

Dont say that too loud, they might nerf. If people are standing behind you while blocking it also provides them cover, especially if you have any +block/stam or block efficiency

Plus kinetic barrier and it's GG

[long wharf]

you can't block as effectively as a shield ogryn can, though