psyker-class

[supple skiff]

just ran a heresy standard with double zealot psyker

suprisingly good

little love hate double date if you will

[manic needle]

Quadruple Psyker games are usually pretty relaxed unless you match with feeders

Psyker weapons have good levels of control which is nice

[supple skiff]

ive enjoyed any 4 stacks ive been in psyker wise anyways

double void, surge and a purge and your in for a good time

[vagrant furnace]

My easiest damnation run was 4 psykers ez pz

[steel egret]

Yeah it is usually when they dont just spam BB.

[gilded cloud]

Those who are level 30 already. I'm just curious... How much gold do you guys have? Do you guys have excess? Or are always needing more? If always needing more, what do you spend it on?

[supple skiff]

excess

[sharp obsidian]

I have 1 mil on my psyker atm

[supple skiff]

after buying the shop cosmetics ive been buying up any item with either good stats or good blessings for crafting once it drops inn a year

[wanton cove]

700k and rising and I do not play often lately with work

[rapid flicker]

by buying shop cosmetics am i helping improve the game?

[supple skiff]

dont know which weapons will be good after some balancing passes so I keep a little of everything

[gilded cloud]

Damn that's a lot of excess

[supple skiff]

hey man, that servitor has kids to feed

[vagrant furnace]

You dont need gold if you dont collect the recolored skins

[cyan notch]

i have almost 4 mil

[gilded cloud]

Is there a maximum number of weapons you can hold?

[wanton cove]

I would probably have less if I bought the hideous cosmetics but they are just so ugly

[supple skiff]

if there is I havent hit it

and I have a LOT

[long wharf]

did you guys see that reddit post with the enemy damage breakdown?

[supple skiff]

want to but she is Lorge

[long wharf]

"Corruption resistance will reduce the damage of all instances of corruption, including grimoires. Corruption resistance (Grimoire) does nothing"

[supple skiff]

unsurprising

[long wharf]

right?

[gilded cloud]

For re-rolling values on items... At this time, what is rollable or can be improved?

1. Can modifiers be changed? So can all weapons be made to be 80% all around or not possible?

2. Can blessings be re-rolled?

3. Can perks be re-rolled?

4. What do each of these cost if they can be

[long wharf]

the answer to all of your questions can be found in-game

[gilded cloud]

Okay good lol. But I prob should sell like my level 5 stuff lmao

[long wharf]

inside of 1 minute of looking for yourself

[supple skiff]

not to defend fatshark but if you were trying to stack grim resist you deserve a bamboozle lol

[vagrant furnace]

Fire resistance will reduce all damage from fire source

[long wharf]

corruption resist (grimoire) shouldn't even exist

knowing that it does nothing is good

[supple skiff]

yeah, unless they have good blessings, which I doubt is the case

[gilded cloud]

Nah they're all Grey lol

[supple skiff]

figured

[gilded cloud]

Yeah, I think I only have a few blue or green rarity items and they are my only copies of them. Like 1 blue voidstrike, 1 blue purge, 1 green surge, and 1 green dueling sword

[supple skiff]

so I fully unironically believe whoever did that write up on damage has a better fundamental understanding of the subject than anyone at fatshark

[manic needle]

Wake up babe, it's time to browse your hourly assortment of Autoguns and Devil's Claw swords

[cyan notch]

already did

jack shit for sale

[manic needle]

Sire Melk is offering me even more Devil's Claw swords today than the Armoury is, somehow

[gilded cloud]

Is it modifiers cannot be changed?

Blessings are also stuck

1 perk can be changed once per weapon?

[manic needle]

God I wish I could get this kind of clustering on staffs lol

[deft fiber]

Nothing. Snipe your precious bases every hour then gamble. But really, game contain as much tools as devs gave you. There are no hidden places where all the functionality are hidden.

[gilded cloud]

So 380 is the max score for a modifier? I think I heard ppl say to get those so I'm assuming

[long wharf]

yes

[deft fiber]

Yes, 380 is max base. Stats distribution is a thing tho. Some weapons pretty demanding on good stat distribution(like you need 4 out of 5 stats rolled good) and some not. Than you have a perks layer of gamble where you want specific things to reach breakpoints, and then for some weapons there are blessings layer of gamble. Like some weapons live and die on blessings.

[long wharf]

and some just don't care (looking at you, surge staff)

[deft fiber]

Sure, you can not bother a lot and run thing you got and like since on t4 and t5 difficulties cooperation with team means much more than your personal skill and loadout, except if you run with pugs and noone have horde clear

[gilded cloud]

Is there a resource or pin somewhere that tells you the best things to look for or best blessings for what weapons? Or just ask here

[gilded cloud]

Thought it was ideal to have higher quell, charge, and resist for surge

[deft fiber]

No resources like this. Can ask here, but opinions can differ for sure.

[orchid venture]

ok, goal today, I wana get Malleus Monstronum done

[deft fiber]

[gilded cloud]

What's that

[orchid venture]

kill a monstrosity by myself with just brain burst, p much

specifically, deal 90% of it's health, and get the killing blow

[gilded cloud]

What is a monstrosity? Like the Nurgle Beast?

Things with a giant hp bar?

[orchid venture]

yeah, things with an hp bar

[gilded cloud]

Oh... So it'll require you to tell your team mates to not hit basically?

[deft fiber]

Most easiest is demonhost if someone can tank it for you

[gilded cloud]

Cause if you played with bots, I'm sure they'd do more than 10% and ruin it

[orchid venture]

yeah, problem is finding someone willing to tank it for me

or, finding a plague ogryn in an area that's easy to kite it in, and having a team that knows to not shoot it

[steel egret]

I kited beast of nurgle.

at begin of vigil station espionage.

[rapid flicker]

that shit is whack

[gilded cloud]

That's an annoying achievement. A lot of these are. Things that require your teammates to do nothing or for you to inconvenience them

[rapid flicker]

whoever does it isn’t sane

[orchid venture]

it's. certainly a penance.

[gilded cloud]

Takes way too long

[rapid flicker]

i have it

you gotta do it on the new map

[gilded cloud]

Lolol

[rapid flicker]

well you don’t have to

[steel egret]

by now I would imagine most Psyker "mains" do.

[rapid flicker]

i just found an easier on the new map for the room they spawn the beast of nurgle

[orchid venture]

this'll be my second character I've gotten all of the outfits on, then I can move on to Ogryn

[cold zinc]

the ogryn penances are arguably worse

[gilded cloud]

Is that the sandy one? Where the beast spawns in a giant huge room?

[magic burrow]

technically all you need for the malleus monstrum penance is another psyker buddy and getting lucky with a daemonhost spawn, since psykers can kinda tank a demonhost

[deft fiber]

Nah. Psyker need to grief team more than Ogryn.

[rapid flicker]

the throne map

[gilded cloud]

That explosion one just seems unreal to me

[orchid venture]

yeah, the buddy part is the problem

[rapid flicker]

there’s a room you can dodge around in circles

i’d help if i could tank a dh

[gilded cloud]

Is a dh really easier than beast of Nurgle?

[orchid venture]

if only I could tank a dh and brain burst it at the same time

[rapid flicker]

lol

[manic needle]

Massively

[orchid venture]

yeah, an ogryn or psyker just blocks it, and it never switches targets

[rapid flicker]

dawg will dawg you; you try that shit

[orchid venture]

so a psyker's only problem is that they have to not blow themselves up

[rapid flicker]

and not corrupt to death

[gilded cloud]

Does a dh have the same amt of health as a beast of Nurgle? Is it only easier because you can block it?

[magic burrow]

I hope they change the "go kill yourself lol" penance, because I aint doing that one out of principle

[rapid flicker]

skipping it too lol

it’s dumb

[sharp obsidian]

I did my Malleus Monstrum by kiting a plague ogryn while BBing it

[magic burrow]

daemonhost corrupts ~33% or so max. They cant corrupt your health for more for some reason

[sharp obsidian]

team was kind enough to deal with the horde as I did it

[rapid flicker]

i mean when i did a beast of nurgle boss on heresy

i was getting fucked and almost took a fat L

almost corrupted me to death

but that’s cuz extra mobs

[gilded cloud]

Does it have to be on heresy? Or could be on level 1?

[magic burrow]

beast of nurgle can also eat a player, so I dunno about blocking them. Daemonhost is pretty easy to tank, in comparison. They hit hard but attack pretty slowly, which means you can peril tank them.

[orchid venture]

has to be Heresy

[rapid flicker]

i kited and soloed

i’m that guy

[deft fiber]

Heresy+

[gilded cloud]

Oh fudge that

Lololol

I mean.. I am only level 15 rn but I have only played level 3

[magic burrow]

once you get 30 and get some decent weapons, malice (3) is pretty easy

[rapid flicker]

solo kited beast of nurgle on a whim

[gilded cloud]

Why do I see so many level 30s playing malice? And they do kinda bad lol. I mean.. So do I... Haha

[magic burrow]

you can go full meme and still get through with no issues. I went in a malice game and did nothing except punch people with the dagger special attack. It was hilarious. Though I guess my teammates were wondering what the fuck I was doing/

malice is where you go to unwind and try stupid things

[gilded cloud]

When you guys play psyker, do you get annoyed when someone kills your BB target right before you BB? Since it had a blue aura on the head so everyone knows

[orchid venture]

common psyker L

[mighty pike]

slightly. You get a warp charge once you've chartged over 50% on that target. Normally it's whatever

[fresh reef]

meh. their loss for wasting ammo

[gilded cloud]

Just wondering... Cause some guy got upset for some reason. And he said in chat "can you guys not attack the enemies I'm BBing?"

[gilded cloud]

Oh it has to be over 50%? Thought it was any BB kill

[mighty pike]

what DOES annoy me is when they're shooting a target that will die in a half second instead of something else

[fresh reef]

maybe they could stop BBing the random trash mob in front of the Zealot? just food for thought

[mighty pike]

guaranteed charge on a brainburst, and also a guaranteed charge if it's 50% charge if someone kills the target while you're doing it

[gilded cloud]

Hmm didn't know the 50% thing. Thanks

[manic needle]

Not really, because I play on high difficulties where there are too many elites for that. You get outpaced on elite kills by vets but you should usually get your casts off unless your teammates are intentionally sandbagging or just actually stupid.

[rapid flicker]

prolly for scriptures

[gilded cloud]

I think they were aiming far a lot too. But I hit them with my voidstrike secondary first and killed them. And another teammate had a plasma gun and was also sniping them

[gilded cloud]

Ah I see.... Why not level 1 then? Lolol

[fresh reef]

this sounds like skill issue tbh

literally just charge m2

[gilded cloud]

I really hate grimoire... Such a huge crutch

[rapid flicker]

too boring

i like picking up the grims for a challenge and to piss ppl off who are playing a grim mission

[fresh reef]

[gilded cloud]

Took me a bit to realize the grimoire effect. I was wondering why the hell my corruption was increasing immediately after using the med machine

[rapid flicker]

guy plays grim mission is like “drop grim pwease?👉👈🥺🤧”

[gilded cloud]

Is Terifying Barrage really good for this because any kill from this will be close range?

[lucid terrace]

“Richtofen.”
I can already hear your psyker’s voice.

[rapid flicker]

exactly

[mighty pike]

I don't really understand TB on a purgatus staff because does it not do that anyway

[gilded cloud]

I wish they dropped like regular ammo boxes or med kits tho if the person carrying them dies instead of disappearing

[rapid flicker]

that’s just the shtick they have

[split oxide]

What does KineticShield do? I tried blocking PlagueOgryn with Atrox.
💀

[fresh reef]

reduces all toughness damage taken by up to 33% based on peril

[orchid venture]

... all my missions just disappeared

oh, new warzone thing

uhh... that doesn't look like anything new actually

strange

[jovial frigate]

846 hours and 18 minutes since the last meaningful update

how we doing today lads

[orchid venture]

contemplating how i should go about doing this last penance

[warped perch]

You guys prefer toughness or health curios?

[mighty pike]

you shouldn't

[orchid venture]

but i gotta

it's like, the one thing keeping me from going insane is doing these penances

[warped perch]

I'm thinking about playing around with health

[orchid venture]

I've nearly got my funny hat with goggles...

also, i usually run 2 health and 1 wound

[gilded cloud]

What do you mean? My store updates every hour

[jovial frigate]

emphasis on meaningful

[warped perch]

I've just been using all toughness curios

[rapid flicker]

1 wound 1 helf and 1 toughness

god roll perks

i’m jk i wish

[gilded cloud]

They are meaningful to me

Will levels get progressively harder to level up on?

I'm surprised that at level 15 right now, I level up so quickly. Anyone know how much exp you need for example to go from 29 to 30?

[floral solstice]

They do

Like... 2-3 malice games per level on 25+? Idk havent leveled since beta

[gilded cloud]

That's not bad still

I know some games would be a lot more lol

[floral solstice]

Run with friends or look in lfg channels, people run malice spam runs for weeklies

Better than risking wipes with randoms

[gilded cloud]

Ah ok sure! Need them grimoire lol

[rapid flicker]

there’s a stretch between 20-30 you’ll slow down leveling

[mighty pike]

Not very noticeable thankfully

[rapid flicker]

definitely not the worst

not as bad as WoW

LOL

[rapid flicker]

i risk it all on my rolled randoms

and then tell them they’re shit when they trigger dhs willy nilly and don’t rez and get lost

usually a veteran

[fresh reef]

how would you guys feel if BB gave warp charge on damage instead of kill?

[rapid flicker]

eh

would help with bosses

[long wharf]

I'd rather the entire mechanic be redone

[rapid flicker]

what do you propose instead

[long wharf]

make BB cost a warp charge, make it one-shot enemies (unusable on bosses) but have a charge time proportional to enemy max health

give psykers a 5% chance to generate a warp charge when an enemy is killed by someone within coherency

turn communion feat into something useful instead

and make warp charges last 30 seconds, with individual timers

[orchid venture]

part of me wants it to be like what the psyker does in the cinematic, blasting that one ogryn with Smite

I want a psychic railgun

[rapid flicker]

i want warp hammer

[orchid venture]

i would like bigger weapons on every class honestly

[rapid flicker]

trash

i’m jk

[long wharf]

I want warp charges to be a currency psykers spend

[rapid flicker]

but i you’d need good teammates for it to mean anything

also

you’re not in coherency all the time

[long wharf]

very true, but just the same, you're always in coherency with yourself

make it 10% chance to gain a warp charge, then

[rapid flicker]

I like the random procs too much

they wouldn’t happen as often

making the feat almost useless

[long wharf]

then you could do things like the psyker having feats to allow spending warp charges to, say, boost melee damage or make a gun's bullets deal warp damage

[rapid flicker]

i think that’s an interesting idea

[long wharf]

the psyker would be more engaging to play that way

[rapid flicker]

maybe as a different mechanic though for a subclass

if ever

[long wharf]

instead of what we have now, where the purge staff is the only weapon we have with any feat synergy

built-in synergy

and otherwise we play just ignoring a core class mechanic (warp charges)

[rapid flicker]

true

i play purge cuz it’s my fav so i can’t complain

[brittle crest]

i play purg cause i can't trust pugs to take care of hordes when i want to play surg

[twilit flicker]

Tried surge again last night. Couldn't even ...

[long wharf]

uh, I take care of hordes quite satisfactorily with my combat axe when I run surge

[stray pond]

I've been running a meme for my Psyker stuff recently

A Blazing Spirit FS with a Crucian Roulette gun

Force swords with good finesse have some string crit multipliers, 2.3x at 80% Finesse I think

Holds up in Heresy but I probably wouldn't run it in Damnation

[twilit flicker]

The problem for Purge users is when the others can't bother to take care of the specials, which is why I carry a force sword.
Would love a force sword that could better take care of hordes, I use mine almost exclusively for blocking and the special attack.

A force claymore or something like that would be extra special.

[stray pond]

Psyker had a Heavy Sword in some of the trailers

Of course it's not an actual option for us in the current state of the game sadly

I finally found my last uncompleted Heresy+ mission, why is it always Investigation or Repair

Oh right

Cause' Investigation is shit and repair just never shows up

The only Investigation I ever get for Heresy+ is on Hab Dreyko and I cannot be bothered with that map

[mighty pike]

We wouldn't use it anyway

[fresh reef]

we do a moderate amount of trolling

[regal musk]

Warp Charges as a mechanic need an overhaul ... Really wish we generated them by quelling peril rather than exclusively through BB kills or RNG feats.

[fresh reef]

I will queue into Heresy quickplay

[long wharf]

getting them via quelling is an interesting idea

we're constantly quelling anyways

[regal musk]

Yeh. That was the thought. To let us gain the charges through natural gameplay instead of being forced to stop using weapons and BB a random poxwa;lker just to maintain the stack XD

[long wharf]

the biggest issue with warp charges is that they're inherently a mechanic that forces the psyker to start engagements at a disadvantage

no other class has a core mechanic that they can't take advantage of at the start of each engagement

[regal musk]

The other thought was that it'd tie into Kinetic Overload in a fun wway, basically turning the act of Quelling into a damage dealing mechanic.

[long wharf]

which means if psyker can't reliably and quickly generate warp charges, we don't ramp up until at least halfway through an engagement

[long wharf]

this is pure heresy

[regal musk]

Yeh. Ive been saying that in the forums for a while. Everyone else gets their buffs mostly on hits.

[sick cove]

and for gods sake make brain burst do a set amount of % damage atleast so its as useful at every difficulty

[long wharf]

the problem is that that doesn't feel good for gameplay

taking any % of an enemy that's strong, great, but that same % on a weak enemy, bad

[regal musk]

You dont like spending 13 seconds to BB a Damnation Mutant to death when a random Recon Lasgun can kill the same mutant in one clip in 9 seconds? 😄

[long wharf]

or a MG12 Vet kills the mutant in two hits

[regal musk]

Easy solution tbh, Flat damage + % Max HP.

[proud mantle]

they had the blueprint with sienna getting stronger with more peril/overcharge 🤦‍♂️

[sick cove]

BB should one shot all human sized mobs and dogs, 2 shot mutants and perhaps ogryns?

[flint plover]

This is a hint that you should stop trying to brainburst mutants

[proud mantle]

that encourages using other methods to kill the weaker enemies though, which isnt entirely bad

[regal musk]

I used the Mutant as an example for the dps difference between BB and a gun.
Whats the point of a tool we use specifically to take out high value targets that is objectively inferior to guns XD

[proud mantle]

i use it as a stagger tool for big enemies (usually ogryns) cause it lets off their pressure on the team

while also doing a bit of dmg so they die faster

[flint plover]

that's because they have different purposes. BB is not objectively inferior to a gun. Infinite range, you can lock on, continue while target goes out of line of sight, cast it on a melee to stun them, stagger bulwarks, ogryns, and reapers, and you have infinite charges.

A better comparison would be to the grenades other classes have. Sure, you can use them purely offensively, but they imo are best used as utility tools

[proud mantle]

and best case scenario you get a warp charge out of it

[regal musk]

You do know we have multiple Feats dedicated to getting kills with BB right?

[flint plover]

I don't think we do.

We have multiple feats that are dedicated to warp charges.

the last tier is BB tho

i agree

[regal musk]

And how does one get a Warp Charge i wonder

[proud mantle]

brotherman

do i have a feat for you

[mighty pike]

through my feats mostly. unironically

[flint plover]

soulblaze kills (10%), your own kills (10%), ally kills (4%)

and occasionally, brainburst kills

[regal musk]

lmao. OK, So to get Warp Charges you've locked yourself into using 2 RNG feats.
Good job.
Now, what about any other build that wants to take the other viable Feats in those lines?

[flint plover]

I feel like I'm talking to a psyker that is trying to be BB-only on Damnation

[flint plover]

Not really. I don't take the 10% BB on kill, and I take Ascendant Blaze. Just relying on Brainburst, soulblaze, and ally kills, I'm almost constantly at 6 warp charges

[regal musk]

No, You're talking to a Psyker who wants Warpo Charges to be a natural part of the class, not something that forces you to take RNG feats or waste BB on Poxwalkers to maintain.

[flint plover]

I'm talking as a psyker who almost never has less than 6 warp charges.. passively. Idk. Warp charges aren't even that big of a deal.

[long wharf]

you aren't getting 10% warp charges on kill outside of Ascendant Blaze

[flint plover]

I understand that the system is bullshit, not defending it at all lol. just saying BB shouldn't be a main focus of the class. generate warp charges passively, do more dmg, have more fun, just imo

[flint plover]

Talking about the talent that BBs a target 10% of the time on hit, which is effectively a warp charge

[regal musk]

So lemme get this straight.
You think Warp Charges are not a problem because you've taken 2 Feats to create them without needing to use BB.
But you do not recognise that generating Warp Charges without those feats is a pain?

[long wharf]

I'd argue that a class mechanic that can be ignored like that is very poor design

[near wyvern]

FS special should give a warp charge on kill

That would make things a bit more interesting

[flint plover]

Well firstly, I do think warp charges are a problem because like Pfhoenix says, you can basically just ignore them and be 95% as effective in Damnation. We have feats that generate them, RNG based, and then we do more damage once we get more. Whee. I think the warp charges should do something else.. but that's a different topic.

I'm just saying that it's not an issue for me to get charges, because yeah, it does lock me into talent choices, but I just don't care about them and use BB as I need to

Just realized I said i'm not locked into choices, then I said I am. lol

[near wyvern]

IMO it's a good thing keeping stacks is not mandatory. Would be annoying to try and keep stacks when that one loot hamster is refusing to come into the elevator

[flint plover]

it's an odd problem, cause if you generate them too easily, it's a 100% uptime buff and may as well be baked into the class. If you barely generate them, they're pointless

[proud mantle]

bro not a single psyker actually likes warp charges

but we play with the cards we're dealt

[stray pond]

I was about to say I liked them but that'd be a lie

[proud mantle]

it teaches the wrong lesson early on that you need to care about them

[stray pond]

I like the damage buff, but I don't like warp charges

[flint plover]

I'm honestly not sure where my argument went after that but I was originally just trying to say BB shouldn't be used as a dps tool, or chipping away at mutants health. other tools are better for that. warp charges are bs, plain and simple

[proud mantle]

and then later on you realize they arent even that good and on top of that you have 78 shitty feats based on this shitty mechanic

leaving us to all use 99% of the time the same build

[regal musk]

All I'm asking is for BB and Warp Charges to separate.
While I would like to see BB damage be useful in Damnation (it is definitely not right now) its biggest issue is that without the passive rng feats, scoring BB kills is the exclusive method of generation.

Change the method of generation to something we can control, like Quelling Peril for Charges, and the feats surrounding Warp Charges get a whole lot more useful. All without directly affecting what BB is used for.

[flint plover]

yep lol. If I swap to a surge staff, i change like.. two feats. If I were to try out gunpsyker, that's like.. another two feats

[flint plover]

I agree. You're in psyker chat mate, you're preaching to the choir that's been singing since release.

[regal musk]

Hard to see that agreement when every time i bring up warp charges the response is: Its fine because i have teh rng feats, git gud.
😛

[flint plover]

But in my opinion, if you were to buff BB so it does one shot a lot of the human enemies on damnation.. it would be completely overpowered

[proud mantle]

people say its fine but its like that meme where the guy is crying under a poker face mask

[regal musk]

No more OP than a Vet being able to pop Volley Fire and nuke the room in seconds 😛

[flint plover]

Well to be fair, you originally said "Whats the point of a tool ... that is objectively inferior to guns" Then it went towards warp charges

[empty hemlock]

If warp charges were generated by any warp kill, now we're talking

[flint plover]

but then that drifts into the realm of "Well I have this buff 100% of the time, cool I guess"

idfk lol, there's a reason im not a game dev

[empty hemlock]

if you're using a stave

[regal musk]

I still feel that way lol, BB should at least compete with the guns. I wasn't being super clear there.

[regal musk]

Like Zealot damage and toughness DR buffs? 😛

[flint plover]

I dunno. Maybe if BB took up our ranged weapon slot?

[empty hemlock]

bb shouldnt compete with guns

[wet raven]

and melee too

[regal musk]

That'd cause a lot of the feat tree to need a redesign, given how much of it is tied to BB and Warp Charges.

[flint plover]

The toughness DR is only effective if you're constantly hitting and critting things in melee range, and sure it's effective, but it's one of those cases where you're not dying, and neither is anything else around you lol

[gilded cloud]

That would be terrible

[regal musk]

It was a comment on having 100% buff uptime lol

[flint plover]

I meant that the toughness DR being up 100% of the time comes at the cost of you being less useful

[regal musk]

How so? Genuionely curious about that since i would assume any Zealot with 100% uptime on the crit DR would be a zealot locking things into melee with it.

[wet raven]

it may technically make you have damage reduction to your toughness but your toughness is only % damage reduc, you still take damage, so its unnecessary

you ideally shouldnt be getting hit or only get hit with 100+ toughness

paper < practice

[flint plover]

The buff only lasts for about three seconds iirc, and the weapons that can consistently crit (or apply bleed) tend to be single target (unless you get a nice Brutal Momentum taxe.

So basically, you need to constantly be hitting things in melee range, and crit, and also somehow hordeclear to keep yourself (and more importantly, your teammates) alive. The popular example is dagger, where dagger zealots zip around basically invulnerable, but they're off tackling a group of 15 gunners while their teammates don't have a frontliner

and again it only lasts a few seconds, so the second you run out of things to melee, you're a free lunch to literally any 1 or 2 ranged scattered around

[long wharf]

don't need a frontliner as bad as you need someone to keep gunners/shooters from doing ranged damage to the group

[flint plover]

I strongly disagree, but to each their own

[long wharf]

this is technically true, but in practice, you almost always have your ult ready and you can sprint slide for 100% damage protection constantly

as long as you're paying attention to what's going on, you're never a sitting duck

[flint plover]

that's cool man, but your team is fifty feet behind you getting melee'd by four maulers that popped out of the wall

[long wharf]

and that's when you charge back, kill them, and zoom back to the gunners

you shouldn't be 50 feet away from the group

[flint plover]

I mean, what you're telling me is that a good player is going to act like a good player

[long wharf]

the real trick with being a zoomy zealot is to not be spawning additional groups of enemies that aggro the team behind you

[regal musk]

TBF, should be the Vets job to snipe shooters anyways 😛
Or at least make BB useful for that role >_>

[long wharf]

sure, Vet kills shooters anyways

[flint plover]

99% of dagger zealots are incredibly bad, and die constantly, and are abandoning the group to.. be a ninja. which I admit, is fun af

[regal musk]

Not the vets in my runs. They always shoot the glowing blue heads 😛

[long wharf]

I guess I'm the odd zoomy zealot out

[flint plover]

yeah lol. it makes me irrationally angry when zealots go off on their own and start triggering ambushes and disabler spawns

[long wharf]

I never run into an area ahead of the team while the team is still dealing with stuff in the current area

I always stop and wait for the group to catch up

zoomy zealot is an assassin

[regal musk]

Its never just the zealots in my experience ... Seen many a Vet and Ogryn sprint off into a new room while the rest of us are dealing with a horde.

[flint plover]

yeah, like I said, good players are gonna act like good players. Hell you could be a dagger/revolver zealot in damnation and be 110% fine as long as you know how to play at that difficulty level

[long wharf]

I can dance in front of, and around, a horde, but as soon as you run out of room to dance, you're gonna hurt

[regal musk]

Ironically its very rare for me to see a Psyker sprint off alone

[flint plover]

I see that too.. just not nearly as often as dagger zealots ._.

[flint plover]

I think it's an inherent trait of being fragile af, lol

[long wharf]

and I absolutely hate seeing ogryns charge through a crowd just to get to the other side of the crowd and turn around to start meleeing things that got knocked over

it just makes everyone else's jobs harder

[flint plover]

It's kinda funny how biased I am against dagger zealots when I was a dagger main for a solid month at the start

[proud mantle]

psyker is the best horde clear imo and that's what i use psyker for

[long wharf]

until you're competing with a flamer zealot for horde kills

[proud mantle]

the cool part is he can also do other stuff

[long wharf]

psyker can fill multiple roles at once

[regal musk]

On the rare occasion i try to level my knife zealot .. i usually stick near the Psyker if there is one lol
But maybe thats a side effect of neve rhaving a melee buddy when im on my Psyker XD

[long wharf]

doesn't do any single role the best

[flint plover]

I'm inexperienced with ogryn. I'll only charge the group if it a mixed horde, and then I'll turn around and slaughter things while running back to my group. I have a cleaver that cleaves tons of things at once and pretty much keeps me alive infinitely, and I never get cut off from the group.

..honestly now that I type this, it sounds like I'm trying to play dagger zealot with ogryn lol

[long wharf]

be a cleaver ogryn, that's great

do it from the front of the horde

instead of trying to do it from the back of the horde

[flint plover]

aye, I know knocking stuff down makes things annoying

like I said, only a mixed horde, like shotgunners/ragers/maulers mixed in

[regal musk]

I dont think a lot of Ogryns know you can cancel the charge >_>

[flint plover]

it's not intuitive, lol. in VT2 and with my zealot, right click cancels the charge. with my ogryn, only pressing S cancels the charge, which took me ages to figure out

[regal musk]

I feel like we're getting offtopic now XD

[flint plover]

ogryns are kinda related to psykers

[long wharf]

ogryns are my favorite meat shields

[mighty pike]

our brains are both unusual

[long wharf]

I always position my psyker right inside the ogryn player

[regal musk]

Only in that i like to follow them around and fire my Voidstrike through them 😛

[long wharf]

shoot lightning out their chest

[flint plover]

saame

no safer position

[regal musk]

We need a Feat that causes us to ride on the Ogryns shoulders when near one.

[long wharf]

yep, nothing stops enemy attacks like the ogryn

[wet raven]

you need 1, the difference between not having a zealot or ogryn be able to save you is pretty massive... ive been in enough 3 vet and 1 psy comps to know once 1 person goes down to random bs the rest follow most the time XP

[long wharf]

sure, you need a frontliner

[halcyon creek]

Ogryns would support that 💯%

[long wharf]

my point is that a zoomy zealot is not a frontliner

they're an assassin

[wet raven]

vets have a ability to summon ogryn with f

[flint plover]

I think I understand. It's just that I rarely find a situation in Damnation where the group needs a melee to rush into enemy ranged rather than act as their personal benchsaw

[long wharf]

oh definitely, damnation is another matter

having the group split up is a really bad idea

zoomy zealot doesn't work so well on Damnation with a good group

will hard fail with a bad group

[wet raven]

considering i am that zealot, i can assure you kindred we do both

[regal musk]

Theyre also really good at offending hordes with the punch push.
Im convinced theyre not being pushed by the actual force of the blow but rather that theyre offended the zealot just punched them.

[flint plover]

Yeah, sorry, I was talking about Damnation from the start. I don't see dagger zealots being a hindrance on heresy and below

[long wharf]

I don't think my zoomy zealot has actually died since I started running bleeding knife

[flint plover]

In the last week, if I have a dagger zealot in my group, it's almost a guarantee I'm picking him up quite a few times a game, and they're taking most of the healing charges

damn it, now I want to play my dagger again

[long wharf]

it's a shame so many bad players think dagger zealot is best for them

it's actually a high skill build

[wet raven]

what you really need is a taxe zealot

[long wharf]

it sounds braindead, but to do it effectively, it's not

[flint plover]

i love taxe zealots. I need a BM taxe asap..

[wet raven]

you dont need bm on tac :V

[flint plover]

you need high situational awareness and some pretty good reflexes, yeah

[fresh reef]

alright, I've shit on gun psyker in the past
but ngl this is kinda fun

[long wharf]

situational awareness is pretty key for Darktide

[regal musk]

Can probably blame social medias for that. "Knife zealot is invincible!" and then people just use a knife and expect to be invincible without putting in the legwork to find out how it makes them invincible

[long wharf]

even being a crap Veteran, good situational awareness more than makes up for my lack of weakspot hits

and it's why I like surge psyker so much

[flint plover]

What really grinds my gears is sub-30s in Damnation

[long wharf]

oh definitely

[regal musk]

I dont like Surge staff .. At all. Voidstrike is my comfy stick >_>

[long wharf]

I don't care what anybody says, I'm not running Damnation with any sub-30s

[rugged swan]

Voidstrike vs purge, go

[long wharf]

shame, I much prefer to control the battlefield

[flint plover]

"But I'm a good player! I don't die and I snipe specials"

Well, yeah, Karen, but it took you seven shots to kill that plaguehound and your melee doesn't one- or two-shot poxwalkers.

[long wharf]

as long as the team is aware of what I'm focusing on, I'm keeping the team alive and running

[regal musk]

Its not even a vs thing. I just dont like how it feels to play with it lol

[wet raven]

voidstrike just does everything purge does but better :V

[fresh reef]

difficulties should be locked behind available curio slots

[rugged swan]

Don't misunderstand, I'm a voidstrike man, but I'm always curious

[flint plover]

if you get a voidstrike with soulblaze on crit, maybe, haha

[long wharf]

I don't like how purge feels

it feels weak

[regal musk]

You get the final one at 24 or 25 iirc. SO it wouldnt change anything lol

[long wharf]

and less effective

there's no visceral feedback when killing things with warpfire

[regal musk]

The left click shots are fine thanks to the crit bonus. Its the secondary zap that just .. feels awkward

[wet raven]

have you seen the animation cancel? it has slightly less hoard clear for sniping, and ability to damage elites :V

[long wharf]

blazing spirit is hot garbage on void

I wish purge could roll blazing spirit

[flint plover]

I agree. I never fucking crit

[wet raven]

this

[regal musk]

Mine has Suppression in 7m radius on close range kill. Its actualkly safer for me to do rapid blasts in melee with my Voidstrike than switch to melee lol

[flint plover]

same with this

why does blazing spirit sound so cool, and end up being so useless?

[wet raven]

because the heretics have armored souls

[long wharf]

because you can't stack it fast enough to really matter, compared to the damage the fsword is doing

[flint plover]

I haven't, brb gonna google

[halcyon creek]

Difficulties could be locked behind the total “Power” of your load out like in Vermintide 2

[fresh reef]

the drip is real

[flint plover]

yep. by the time I crit a few times in a row with my psyker the enemy is dead!

[wet raven]

believe its just pressing quell after shooting one off, doubles the speed the next one can start

in other words EXPLOSIONS

[idle bay]

Theoretically Blazing Spirit + Bloodthirst on Force Sword will actually allow to stack Soulblaze fast

Kill with special - crit on every hit for 5 sec

[flint plover]

It would have to stack very fast to even be effective on normal mobs, i think

[wet raven]

you should be able to 2 shot most enemies with fs though

also force sword has a fun double swap cancel too

[flint plover]

like, maybe if FS applied ten stacks of soulblaze on crit

[wet raven]

which makes it so fast at hoard clear you dont even get to see them burn

[idle bay]

It will not be effective , yes, but will set everything ablaze 🙂 Which is nice

[flint plover]

very true. and that's all that matters

[wet raven]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1057318707065524314/DT_SwitchAttack.mp4

[idle bay]

I like to see Blazing Spirit on Surge Staff... for reasons 🙂

[fresh reef]

queuing up for Damnation with a mk4 dueling sword and an autopistol

[wet raven]

if it works...

[idle bay]

Still sound better than knife/revolver Vet 🙂

[flint plover]

or knife/revolver zealot

but tbh as long as the autopistol psyker actually kills things, doesn't die, and doesn't run out of ammo in five seconds.. sure, lol

[rough egret]

What should a psyker typically be doing when fighting a monstrosity or nurgle? BB? Staff attacks (I only have surge and purge so far)?

[flint plover]

is that just QQ?

[wet raven]

yeah, qq light

[flint plover]

Imo there's not a ton you can do to be more effective than the classes specialized for it. BB does minimal damage, soulblaze takes too long to stack up, and I don't think any of your melee weapons do awesome damage to unyielding or nurgle puppies. What I do is BB for chip damage while keeping my party safe from hordes and specials

[idle bay]

Psyker should cry in corner during fights with monsters. Or go nuts with an Axe

[blissful kestrel]

I try to melee the monstrosity, not because I will be doing good damage but because the boss is more likely to aggro me so my teammates can kill it instead.

[rough egret]

Makes sense. That’s been my experience so far so wasn’t sure if I’ve been brain dead or not haha

[blissful kestrel]

That or deal with adds.

[fresh reef]

update:

five shotgunners spawned lol

[wet raven]

shouldve parried their bullets

[fresh reef]

fr

[lucid terrace]

So… force sword or dueling sword?

[broken quail]

Oh, I’ll need to try that

[broken quail]

I’d just go with whatever you find with better stats/blessings

[wet raven]

dueling

[west stream]

dueling is fun

But it's preference

[stray pond]

You want T4 Blazing Spirit if you want it on the FS at all, since it applies 4 stacks on crit rather than 2

And can apply more

But there's still the problem of most things dying before the application even matters

[regal musk]

Sounds like a common issue for all things Psyker tbh 😛

[stray pond]

More or less

[dim summit]

Finally got Deflector on a Forve Sword this week, so I can actually take that advice!

[magic burrow]

what if blazing spirit activated on regular hits instead of crit?

[near topaz]

Guys, I have a little story and then a question.
We were at Comms-Plex (Heresy). Vet, Zealot, Ogryn and Pskyer. Two daemonhost spawned one after the other. Kind of bad luck, but both easy to dodge. Then, the crazy psyker attacked one of them... On porpous. And tanked it. She went back and tanked the second one too... So we were there, with TWO deamonhosts, running like chickens. Two daemonhosts and two HP pool on top of the screen. She did not fall and we killed both of them.

The question is... How in the Emperor's name is that possible with a psyker?

[long wharf]

peril on block

careful dodging and good block efficiency + stamina, very doable

[near topaz]

I see

I've been here since the beta and never seen that. Kind of crazy, but cool anyways. Thanks!

[long wharf]

peril block existed in the open beta, but it wasn't widely used until after release

[near topaz]

I understand

[weary moss]

does purg staff have any dump stats?

found this
anyone disagree?

[cloud heron]

you can put damage lower than burn and aoe

and burn above aoe

[fresh reef]

Mk2 caxe

[near wyvern]

I do disagree. Damage roll is a miniscule amount of your actual DPS. With good enough quell speed and warp resist you can keep things staggered with LMB while you are quelling for more than you use in between, allowing you to never stop the AOE staggers and quickly come back to your RMB for greater damage. Yes, you never run out of juice in the middle of a horde but there are a lot of times when you suddenly get jumped on by a rager pack or maulers and at that point you either AOE stagger to guarantee safety of your team or you get clapped.

[viral solstice]

lads what does charging the surge staff do exactly

[fresh reef]

I've fallen to the dark side

[weary moss]

Thanks for your input

[long wharf]

increases the damage it does, that's it

[fresh reef]

I'm not sure if I can return to the light

[viral solstice]

ok noice

[long wharf]

you have definitely turned from the emperor's light, heretic

[fresh reef]

here's the build

I will now queue into qp T5 and try not to troll

[long wharf]

by virtue of queueing into T5, you are trolling

why the hell AB?

[fresh reef]

trash clear

[long wharf]

and how often do you have max stacks to push a crowd to kill it at the start of an engagement?

[fresh reef]

extremely

[long wharf]

... ?

[ruby meadow]

As someone who exclusively runs AB, I don't use it for actual horde clear on 5s

[lethal folio]

You don't use blaze for hordes, you use it to wipe rooms of shooters.

[clear heath]

wierd build
wrack and ruin? essence harvest without communion?

[long wharf]

yeah, I'm not really seeing the synergy

how are you getting your warp charges to max, BBing manually constantly?

[clear heath]

is it a purg build?

[long wharf]

no, gun

[clear heath]

oh

[long wharf]

I mean, if you showed me a gun with blazing spirit, maybe we'd talk

[ruby meadow]

The 2nd and 3rd choices are sus. The 5th one can keep them up technically

[long wharf]

but I just don't see how you're building up warp charges quickly enough during an engagement to use those charges effectively

and how are you maintaining your warp charges between engagements, telling your teammates to let you shoot things?

or is your gameplay just shooting things, and when you notice you have max warp charges, you spend them?

[ruby meadow]

I wouldn't take it so seriously, he's using a for fun build

[long wharf]

doesn't mean we can't analyze it

I'm not accusing him of dragging his team down 🙂

[ruby meadow]

Despite the tool tip on AB, anything dying while ablaze has 10% chance. You don't have to kill them

[long wharf]

I'm trying to genuinely understand the thought process

[long wharf]

you're talking to someone that thoroughly tested and researched that

[ruby meadow]

It's good you're informed then. You'd know you can get max stacks off AB almost immediately without Purg

[lethal folio]

You can get most of your charges refunded.

[long wharf]

on a large enough group, on average yeah

but if you aren't using those warp charges to apply enough soulblaze to kill things... what's the point?

they're dying to the team fast as it is

literally doesn't matter

just to do it, I guess?

[clear heath]

honestly my biggest issue with it is just not running kinetic barrage
one of the only nice things about gunpsyker imo is having BB to cover armor types your gun can't handle
but it's so slow that i don't even consider it viable without barrage

[hollow flower]

In terms of utility to the team on heresy +, which staff offers the most value?

To me it seems like surge blows everything else away but curious for other takes

[fierce sinew]

It's not relevant to the specific build under discussion, but in general if you're taking a horde in a position where shooters aren't a concern spending your low charge shout at the beginning of the horde to immediately go up to 6 (and gaining the warp resistance etc that comes with it) is a more than fair use of the cooldown I think

[clear heath]

I like surge more personally
Purg can be better if your team lacks horde clear tho

[long wharf]

surge if you want to be a tactician

purge for horde clear

void for horde clear (not as effective as purge) and ranged damage

[fierce sinew]

I think purg is the best "all rounder" staff, as far as the thing you're least likely to regret taking into a random comp

[brittle crest]

does it go through boxes that they hide behind n stuff?

[long wharf]

trauma if you hate yourself, the team, the devs, and everything

[long wharf]

yes, the psyker ult isn't blocked or limited to Line of Sight

[brittle crest]

g2k ty ty

[long wharf]

makes it very useful to get dogs off teammates

[brittle crest]

i also like taking purg for pugs cause i don't really trust my teammates to keep me safe.. been screwed too many times taking surg

[fierce sinew]

Purg you don't specialize as such but having 90% of the horde clear a zealot brings, 90% of the cc surge brings, high uptime and the ability to power anti-shooter 6 charge AB shouts covers a lot of potential gaps

[lethal folio]

Blaze doesn't care for walls.

[rigid blade]

I use blaze for snipers hilariously enough

[long wharf]

blaze?

you mean ulting and stacking soulblaze

[fresh reef]

correct, with flayer and dueling sword mixed in there

[fresh reef]

well now, this sounds interesting

[long wharf]

oof

[fresh reef]

what's oof about that exactly?

[regal musk]

TRauma builds peril insanely fast. Low quell speed might be an issue for it lol

[long wharf]

trauma staff is in a really bad place right now

[lethal folio]

It's not terrible.

[fresh reef]

lol 1% diff nvm

[regal musk]

The funniest thing about Trauma is the insane falloff from epicenter in damage, But things on the pixel edge of the blast still get ragdolled massively XD

[fresh reef]

I wouldn't say really bad. C tier at worst

it's 100% usable

[lethal folio]

Trauma is decent at every thing, just not exceptional.

Purgatus can handle hordes, but struggles against big guys.
Surge has the best stun, but can't handle density.

[fresh reef]

Void is just kinda there

[regal musk]

Void is great :3

[fresh reef]

it's good, but I cannot use it for the life of me

skill issue

[regal musk]

I feel the same way with Purge. Feels janky as hell to use. But Voidstrike just feels natural lol

[fresh reef]

speaking of skill issue, I can't look at this and say it can't be damnation viable

further playtime required

[long wharf]

it's not that guns don't work

it's that if you want to use a gun, you'd do better with it as a veteran

[rigid blade]

Gun Psyker = Blue-Berry Flavored Veteran

[fresh reef]

true

[clear heath]

with autogun specifically, i'd even rather play it on zealot

F armor pen abuse is funny

[viral solstice]

how do we feel about this

emprah just gave me dis

[clear heath]

nice damage

[rigid blade]

Do you plan on using it for fighting?

[viral solstice]

what is fighting

[mighty pike]

This is a good one. Except it will be the damp flannel to a gushing artery of swords

[viral solstice]

funny story

some stats are fake

[fresh reef]

W perk followed by an L blessing

at least I can reroll the blessing oh wait

[mighty pike]

Because of the inclusion of First Target(?)

[clear heath]

what am i looking at?

[viral solstice]

that the damage roll has extremely marginal effect because its such a confined range

[fresh reef]

why did you crop these

[viral solstice]

which is an odd one but there u go

to make them smaller and to hide the photoshop watermark

wait no i mean

uhh

[fresh reef]

photoshop watermark

[zealous lily]

It only took 130 hours but I finally got a deflector sword lol

[clear heath]

I wouldn't say going from 64 to 55 damage on bodyshot is marginal
the weakspot damage is closer but that's cause your high damage sword has dogshit finesse

[viral solstice]

its a blunt object

not its fault

hit too many crushers with it

[zealous lily]

Oh wtf, does deflector have 3 different levels too

[lethal folio]

It doen't matter, just scales bcr a little.

[zealous lily]

Did I really get the weakest deflector, 3% block

[clear heath]

supposedly it can go up to t4, but it's rare enough that i haven't seen it

[viral solstice]

whats the deal with exorcist

is it just as written

[clear heath]

i believe t0 exists as well, so technically there's 5 different levels

[viral solstice]

whack weak point w ith sword receive quell

or does it do silly things

[zealous lily]

Isn't t0 just no blessing lol

[lethal folio]

Just whack head twice for quell.

[viral solstice]

ah ok so nothin spicy

well thats ok at least im releasing some ghosts

[zealous lily]

Feel like the blaze sword is bad at doing 2 weak spots in a row

Isn't the 2nd slash upward

[clear heath]

could maybe be useful for quietude toughness regen? Haven't played with it much yet

[clear heath]

i just light->heavy anyways

[zealous lily]

Fair

[viral solstice]

h2 on force sword is surprisingly good

[clear heath]

the 2nd light is something i haven't used in ages

[lethal folio]

Force sword has a good selection of blessings.

[clear heath]

It has good blessings but there's also too many mediocre ones
Feels horrible to gamble on upgrading them

[viral solstice]

i hit a mob twice to test the quell in meat grinder

game crashed

solid

exorcised the machine spirit

[clear heath]

just as fatshark intended

[stray pond]

T3 Deflector...

[viral solstice]

D3flector

[leaden dune]

Do i press the funny button lads

These stats are not too bad

[viral solstice]

do it

[stray pond]

You'll get Run 'n' Gun

[viral solstice]

hadron will surely not screw you

actually on my psyker hadron has been very well behaved

[stray pond]

Hadron will 100% give you Run 'n' Gun

[leaden dune]

well if you say hadron wont screw me surely she won't

[viral solstice]

exactly

[leaden dune]

Run n gun

l o l

[viral solstice]

she put warp flurry on this today

so i imagine shes in a good mood

[stray pond]

I told you she would

[viral solstice]

[leaden dune]

I mean run and gun isnt bad on purgatus tbh, cause sometimes you just use the primary to stun some trash mobs to run past them

so it helps with that i guess

[stray pond]

Purgatus is the only one that Run 'n' Gun can even vaguely be justified on

Even then it's not ideal

[stray pond]

That is nice though, real nice

[viral solstice]

my psyker has 5 orange items

and i got uh

pretty lucky with them

[stray pond]

My Psyker has my best curio across my entire account

[viral solstice]

oh no 7

[stray pond]

Which is admittedly 2 maxed level characters and a level 16 Veteran because I can't be bothered to level shit

I stopped playing the Vet because it was boring

[viral solstice]

i got emp gifted this comedy lasgun that is good in a world where the 1a isnt troll

[stray pond]

Rip

This is my best staff

I have another Surge staff with the exact same blessings but far worse stats

[leaden dune]

now, question is

Do I press it again

:^)

[viral solstice]

yes

[stray pond]

Honestly that's not a bad Voidstrike, reroll the stamina and it could be real nice

[lucid terrace]

Do it

[leaden dune]

the perks need rerolling yeah

[viral solstice]

shes going to give u double shot on crit

i can feel it coming thru the warp

[stray pond]

Double shot on crit would be cool

Warp Nexus could be cool too

[leaden dune]

ill reroll the stamina first

[stray pond]

I'll feel bad for you if you get Blazing Spirit tho

Imagine a Voidstrike that looked like this piece of shit

This was an Emperor's Gift

[leaden dune]

What would I want optimally? bonus dmg against unarmored?

as a voidstrike perk

[stray pond]

Ah? Hm. I personally like bonus against unarmored but I'm not sure that's the best for Voidstrike

Feels nice

[lucid terrace]

I’d say groaners and poxwalkers

[stray pond]

Well unarmoured covers that for the most part

And gives a bigger damage bonus

[lucid terrace]

Simple and will help with hordes.

[lucid terrace]

I suppose…

ROLL BITCH

[leaden dune]

Infested is what again? Walkers and hounds?

[lucid terrace]

ROLL

[stray pond]

Walkers and hounds yeah

[leaden dune]

cause i have 20% against infested atm

but meh

[stray pond]

Unarmoured is probably the way to go then

Man I forgot I had some really dumb stuff on my Psyker

Like this for example

I think I grabbed this from Melk because of the T4 Warp Flurry

[leaden dune]

ayyy 20% against unarmored

cant be bothered to listen to hadron for an hour to get it any better atm lol

[stray pond]

You could play a clicker game for another hou- Yeah

[leaden dune]

maybe some other day

BROUGHHHHGHHHH THE WORK IS COMPLETE

THE OMNISSIAH IS MOST GENEROUS

[stray pond]

Whatchu get

Double shot on crit?

[leaden dune]

nah gonna upgrade it now

[stray pond]

Oh I thought you got a nice roll for a second there

[leaden dune]

nah just a hadron line

[viral solstice]

does surge staff critting do anything cool

[leaden dune]

Terrifying Barrage, booooooo

[viral solstice]

do ppl get double electrocuted and become extra crispy

[cloud heron]

finally have a good purge staff

[stray pond]

Honestly, could be worse

Could've been Run 'n' Gun again

[leaden dune]

fair

[stray pond]

Hadron will never be as kind to me as she was when I was rolling this curio

Sadly it's not a 21% Max Health but it's close enough

Rolled this yesterday, plan on rerolling the Ordo Dockets

[leaden dune]

But the mad stacks

[stray pond]

Gonna aim for another +5% Max Health

[leaden dune]

also one hour until daddy melkies has new items for you to spend your Melkbux on

😩

[stray pond]

Tru

[leaden dune]

he's such a fucker

just guns and guns and more guns

show me staves not your stupid lasguns jesus christ

[stray pond]

Careful now, you're not allowed to insult a gun that has T3 or T4 Crucian Roulette on it

Those are beautiful children of the Emperor who let me use a crit build on Psyker

[hollow flower]

Extremely salty that I don’t have a deflector sword yet

[west stream]

remind me what synergy did crit have on psyker?

abusing crucian roulette for sword shenanigans or?

[lucid terrace]

Unlucky

[hollow flower]

Why is terrifying barrage bad?

[stray pond]

Correct. There's literally no other synergy.

[west stream]

I used to think the headpop thing was on crit not on attack

[hollow flower]

I’m not disputing that it’s bad, I trust you on that, but want to understand why

[west stream]

so sad.

[stray pond]

Nope it's on attack

I fuckin' wish Psykers could have crit synergy though

Maybe when the next subclass releases in 2025

[viral solstice]

i mean double shot on crit void strike is a synergy

and surely we allh ave one of those

[stray pond]

That... I mean no not really since I'm relying on Crucian for my crit chance

I can't have a staff and a gun

[viral solstice]

ye i just mean in general

[west stream]

I demand time witch

[viral solstice]

but they should let u do that

staff and laspistol

[fresh reef]

I doubt next subclass would have crit synergy. Biomancer puts off the vibes of a support oriented subclass

[west stream]

Wanna slow down time

[still mountain]

Emprah gave me an orange void staff

[stray pond]

Don't say these things Psyker is already a fucking support class

[still mountain]

Still not usable above malice lol

[west stream]

there's gonna be a tank one innit?

[stray pond]

That's just Psyker with peril blocking and a decent deflector sword

[viral solstice]

also the surge staff gets all that base crit so i guess ur little void shots will plonk harder

hell yea

[fresh reef]

support class
30m mixed melee/shooter horde clear at the press of a button

[viral solstice]

the fact the void strike charged bolt looks like a big version of the left click but does so little crit damage by comparison is annoyin tho

[stray pond]

Correct.

[viral solstice]

like this is the crit scaling on my surge staff left click

[stray pond]

I didn't specify the type of support

[hollow flower]

I’m hoping for a tanky Psyker next

[viral solstice]

i guess crit gives u much better trash damage on surge so

[west stream]

Tanky psyker seems like it will have some ability for shielding

or such said leak

[fresh reef]

defo within the realm of possibility

[west stream]

big screen of stopping lasers would be funny

[fresh reef]

keeping inline with the biomancer datamine

[floral solstice]

ayt time to get griefed by hadron again

[fresh reef]

Health tank? 👀

[hollow flower]

Biomancer sounds cool too

[floral solstice]

HADRON FUCKING HELL i swear

[hollow flower]

Owned

[west stream]

also something about an early psyker entry having throwing knives

[fresh reef]

it's practically confirmed it will be biomancer, since that's what everything points to
would likely have a lot of variety within that discipline, given the variety that the "psykinetic" already has

[west stream]

maybe the grenade for some sub spec is throwing knives with mind?

[viral solstice]

give throwing books

yeeting massive tomes of the lex atoma at heretics

"I SAID I WOULD THROW THE BOOK AT YOU CRIMINAL SCUM"

[hollow flower]

Will subclasses agree most weapons?

Do biomancer pyskers shoot lightning etc?

[atomic dagger]

farts?

[hollow flower]

Or would their staves shoot out stomach acid?

[fresh reef]

I would imagine the weapons are shared, and it's the feats where things would get spicy

[atomic dagger]

Where can i set the shop to offer me more staffs?
YOu know... as a Psyker i actually want to have staffs.

[fresh reef]

would also probably include a whole new set of cosmetics

since the penances are listed by subclass

[west stream]

Isnt biomance what we have rn?

It's the only subclass mentioned in files

seems they may have pivoted away from it but kept internal name

so take it all with a grain of sand I suppose

[atomic dagger]

salt

[west stream]

stupid language

what with the words and the meanings

Anyhow, looking at it it says biomancer's ability checks for warp stacks to apply fire...this is our existing class

[lethal folio]

Current Psyker is Biomancer.

[west stream]

aye

weird how they didn't realign names tho

I mean, localization and code dont need to match

but still

[atomic dagger]

couple of days ago people told me here the next psyker subclass will be some shield focused dude

[west stream]

Yeah there's a skill somewhere called "psychic fortress" that seems to reduce damage

and some mention of an actual shield

[lethal folio]

I wouldn't count on it, gunslinger is probably the next up.

[floral solstice]

ayt one more staff for hadron to grief, what could go wrong

[west stream]

but I could see any other subclass going first

tbh

it's clear they had a couple in development and pulled them before release cause they weren't done

[viral solstice]

they are just adding sienna as a guest character to keep people happy

[west stream]

some of the subclasses we have are not even the first

like, they

are numbered differently

[atomic dagger]

wish you best of luck

[west stream]

tbh that staff is already pretty solid even if you get some shit blessing

as long as it's not run and gun

[floral solstice]

hadron didn't grief ty mommy

down to 700+ plasteel

[west stream]

[floral solstice]

she griefed all my white antax mk 5's last night

kept putting thrust/all or nothing WTF

[west stream]

going from white is too risky

that's 2 blessings for her to griefg

[floral solstice]

yeah but it was 2am and had too much copium

also i only consecrated my axes to blue

just to see the first bless

wonder if i'll miss terrifying barrage though, all purg staves i previously used had that bless

kinda handy to suppress the stuff behind me when im channeling

[west stream]

just spin to win

[floral solstice]

then again, focused channeling definitely good for those pesky pea shooters

[west stream]

just keep firing

cant interrupt you

the weaklings

[past pollen]

I think I'm swapping carapace dmg but I'm not sure for what any ideas?

[lean escarp]

Hello psykers

[past pollen]

greetings

[lean escarp]

Answer me this

When you detonate a person's head why is no one freaked out by this occurrence

[stray pond]

Flak probably

[proud mantle]

might be wrong but i think you should keep carapace dmg no? unarmored will already die fast

[stray pond]

Because that's the least concerning thing a Psyker could potentially do

[regal musk]

Because at higher levels its more akin to giving the target a slight headache 😛

[past pollen]

think so? I figure I'm more likely to bb a carapace boy

[lean escarp]

The question was more a vehicle to post a gif, ilu all, bye!

[past pollen]

yea I thought about it

[lean escarp]

Also, brain burst should suppress enemies in a 10 meter radius

If the target dies, of course

[past pollen]

that would be great

[regal musk]

Well that changes nothing about it at high levels lol

[past pollen]

mm I disagree suppressing groups of shooter becomes more of a big deal the higher the diff

[lean escarp]

It would make life a lot better imo

[west stream]

wouldnt be a bad talent

[past pollen]

also does anyone know if the blessing sustained fire works on the staffs' charged shots?

[gilded cloud]

Because it's 40k,this is a normal occurrence

[rough egret]

🤯 ->😟

[sonic aspen]

We live in a world with fungis that likes building things with more dakka

[idle shuttle]

whens rebless

[viral solstice]

changed my psyker build around a bit and the class feels so much more fun now peril is more of a resource

and dropping 4% warp on kill for the ult cdr feels really nice with bb f, much more complete feeling

yay

[regal musk]

I think a lot of people have slept on that CDR feat

[supple skiff]

I know Id be inclined to duck of my squad mate's head popped like a balloon next to me lmao

that feat is great

I slept on it for while and came around once I learned it reduced cdr for yourself and not just allies as the description seems to imply

[leaden dune]

AWHHH

WERE THIS CLOSE TO GREATNESS

[viral solstice]

i just havent played psyker in a while and with the fast brain burst shout its very fun trying to chain elite kills to instantly quell to regenerate toughness to keep warp charges up and then sniping a bit with staff and zapping a bit w ith staff and sometimes doin a lil force sword deflectin and yeeee

[leaden dune]

hold on lemme screencap this melk item

[viral solstice]

suddenly psyker feels like a class

well to me not sayin thats how it was for other people of course

[leaden dune]

THOSE BLESSINGS

[regal musk]

Works great on Malice. Less so in Heresy and Damnation where it takes multiple BBs to score a single kill.

[leaden dune]

if only the damage wasnt shit

[floral solstice]

yeah aura + barrage is the way to go for me on any staff

[supple skiff]

yeah that feat with the faster BB ult makes it so you can deal with things like bulwarks packs fairly well

[viral solstice]

i only play d amnation

unless im gettin scrips

[supple skiff]

and it just feels like what you're suppose to be doing as a space wizard

[viral solstice]

fuckin scrips

[leaden dune]

do I still get this? lol

[floral solstice]

i wouldn't buy that only because i'm extremely picky with blessings, no brutal momentum on that one

[past pollen]

it doesn't look like sustained fire works on charged shot guys, literal dump blessing on staffs

[viral solstice]

[floral solstice]

but if you use staff for hordes then you can use that for muties dogs etc

[viral solstice]

tho worth noting sustained fire isnt a %damage increase

its a %base damage additive bullshit thing

so its pretty shit baseline

[past pollen]

oh great

[viral solstice]

yep

[supple skiff]

yeah there are not a lot of decent staff blessings

[viral solstice]

run n gun cmon

[supple skiff]

if I could change rmb while sprinting

sure

[past pollen]

hope I get an actual useful one when I consecrate my guy to leg

[supple skiff]

can understand the appeal on purge though; I run void so not a fan

[past pollen]

on purgatus ye why not

[leaden dune]

it feels ok on purgatus too

also got a gun with crucian roulette in here

crit psyker time

:^)

[viral solstice]

cryker

[leaden dune]

Shame about the blessing but damn those stats

[inland flower]

worth a buy?

[atomic dagger]

just buy it
ordos are a non issue

[inland flower]

sweet stats but no shred and mk IV, how is that

its melk

and im poor in melk money

[atomic dagger]

even melk dollars are a nin issue

[inland flower]

probably true

[atomic dagger]

but then again...
i bet if you buy something, the next day he will have the uber item when you cant affordit

[gilded cloud]

I'm only level 15 rn but I assume it's best to not spend any melk dollars until level 30?

[supple skiff]

yeah hold em

[floral solstice]

What region are you playing on chew

[atomic dagger]

except he has some sweet items which certainly help you run higher lvl missions

[supple skiff]

just be aware guys, some data mining showed melk coins refernced with some of the unreleased crafting stuff

[atomic dagger]

oh no

[floral solstice]

Yeah that's why I save my melk monies

[gilded cloud]

There are regions? Lololol

I'm in north America

[supple skiff]

yeah, I'm stock piling just in case. Unless the milkman pulls the stick out of his arse and offers some decent stuff

[gilded cloud]

How much melk money you guys got?

[atomic dagger]

FS why? Why?! WHY?!
The gamplay is nice but literally EVERYTHING ELSE is sheit in darktide
Its like its on purpose ....

[supple skiff]

assuredly is

[floral solstice]

Oh, i would have been down to help with leveling if you were from sea/aus/asia, was gonna play some malice spams for plasteel/weeklies

[supple skiff]

only shop you can access in menu is cosemtic, gotta run by the shop every hour on the hour to check shop (unless you use that thrice blessed online thing)

[atomic dagger]

what online thing?

[supple skiff]

someone made some kind of chorme plugin that shows you whats in the your store without having to be ingame

[gilded cloud]

Chrome/Firefox extension that let's you see your character's shop on the official Darktide website

Very handy

[atomic dagger]

need!

[gilded cloud]

But Hella annoying for steam.... I have 2 factor authentication a d every time I check, I need to enter the code lol

[atomic dagger]

super secure access
imagine some1 else looks at your private shop
rage

[supple skiff]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/1000s5t/formally_announcing_the_armoury_exchange/

[floral solstice]

I use firefox extension xpi and kiwi browser on android for that

[atomic dagger]

i have only the melk shop
where can i switch it to the normal one?

[mortal pendant]

marks > credits

[viral solstice]

ok got my 65% block efficiency

time to BLOK

[gilded cloud]

Change the store type. There is credits and Marks

[orchid venture]

Hell Fucking YES

That's every penance on Psyker done, every outfit gotten 😈

Next is Ogryn

[supple skiff]

still need out with a bang and the monstrosity one myself

no interest in hunting it unless the opportunity presents itself in the moment

managed to get pick and mix organically which I'm lead to believe is very much not a shared experience lol

[noble mason]

worth getting at melk? or is the quell speed to shit

[supple skiff]

hmmm

with transfer peril, I think thats worth the pickup

[noble mason]

ya thats the only reason im thinking of grabbing it

[supple skiff]

can you show us the inspect weapon with the charge stat highlighted?

er quell stat

[crude talon]

17 quell speed? 🤮

[supple skiff]

because afaik the quell stat maxes at like .25 seconds difference

[orchid venture]

Me n some friends went hunting for demon hosts with an ogryn shield, but we didn't find a single one. But a beast of nurgle happened to spawn in a really good place to kite it around

[noble mason]

ya lemme check real q

[crude talon]

That quell speed is gonna be like +15% or something. mine is at 79% and its 65.29% faster

[supple skiff]

hmmmmm

[crude talon]

worse than i thought, basically the same. I dont use the voidstrike staff much so idk how much it gens

[noble mason]

ya idk if its worth

[supple skiff]

very little

with that staff is you can very easily dump charged attacks into a horde and net negative peril if you aim at head level