psyker-class

[twilit badger]

God i hate those fuckers so much

[simple gust]

Psyker is good at cc-ing Ogryn so zealot can rip them to shreds

[twilit badger]

They even have more HP than other "shooter" type of enemies

[still hearth]

Scab Stalkers are fun idwym

[simple gust]

I use surge staff to cc all the ranged. It can reach across most rooms

[still hearth]

Excluded from Vets anti shooter feat for no reason

[strong spoke]

Skullcrusher gets 50% dmg to Ogryns talent

[north cradle]

Actually working as intended too

[simple gust]

Or BB tag and hide during charge for snipers

[strong spoke]

Try that on damnation I want to watch

[north cradle]

I mean I get the idea, because 'Stalker' to me implies they're using a camouflage to avoid being detected, but it sounds better on paper than in practice

[still hearth]

Except it marks Dreg Stalkers too

[twilit badger]

In most cases, i find that Psyker CC is unnecessary when you have competent sharpshooter in your team

[north cradle]

Oh lmao

[still hearth]

And who intuitively thinks

That SHOOTER

Isn't everyone with a gun

[north cradle]

Yeh I get it

[simple gust]

I play at heresy now. I like to get stoned and play so it stays a bit more chill for me

[north cradle]

It's not good, I just understand the rationale

[twilit badger]

I guess Psyker is good at dealing with hordes but that's about it

[strong spoke]

Understood

[twilit badger]

Void staff with peril reduction when hit weak spot blessing is cool tho

[visual finch]

Hey, quick question, is there any way to tell what missions you still need to complete for the Mind over Matter (2) penance?

[twilit badger]

You can basically fire those energy bolts infinitely

[strong spoke]

Void staff too slow

[amber nest]

Psyker has one major advantage
You're never out of ammo

[twilit badger]

But apart from that, ehh

[north cradle]

Keep a spreadsheet

[strong spoke]

This

[north cradle]

I still need to do Assassination on Damnation for Inquisitorial Legend

[visual finch]

Gotcha, so I'm shit outta luck. I have one mission left and have no clue what it is.

[twilit badger]

Well, pretty much negligible advantage unless you are running with 3 sharpshooters all running autoguns

[strong spoke]

Bring an Ogryn to tank boss EZ

[twilit badger]

Most of time you don't really running out of ammo tbh

[cyan notch]

you dont really running

[amber nest]

Depends on the builds people use, tbh

[north cradle]

I still can't get over the fact that there are two penances both named Mind Over Matter and they're for two different prerequisites

[strong spoke]

Endless damnation can get dicey

[amber nest]

Revolver vet eats ammo like it's candy

While, yeah, I bet a MKXII vet can't run out even if they tried

[cyan notch]

i mean we have two psykinetic's wrath too

[north cradle]

It's not the boss I'm worried about, it's the mobs on our way to the boss. The train station mission, I had an entire horde spawn in front of me after the sewer drop

[strong spoke]

Revolver feels like a crap bolt gun

[north cradle]

Oh yeah lol

[simple gust]

Anyone ever get a vet on their team that melees the horde with the zealot while they die from ranged?

[amber nest]

I'm that vet, but I don't die

[twilit badger]

Idk, sharpshooters usually runs Kantrael 12 with power sword at higher difficulties

[amber nest]

I just get real hurt and then remember I'm playing vet and not my main

[cloud heron]

Sometimes you try to shoot, get hit by a poxwalker every 5 seconds, give up, and then just dive into the horde

[twilit badger]

Kantrael 12 even at worst endless wave at higher difficulty, tends to not running out of ammo

[simple gust]

No I am speaking about the ones that don't prioritize shooting ranged at all

[twilit badger]

And, yeah, power sword, you know

[north cradle]

It's me, I'm the Kantrael Mk XII and Claw Sword Mk VII Veteran

[amber nest]

The worst ones are the vets using their recon lasguns on the poxwalkers, really

[simple gust]

I play with my zealot husband and we have games where we both out snipe the veteran.

[strong spoke]

Usually zealot/ogryn that run out first

[amber nest]

That way they even use up all the ammo while just clearing horde

[twilit badger]

Oh yeah them, well RIP

[strong spoke]

Recon falls way off in damnation

[twilit badger]

Altho, ogryn can make out pretty good damage value for their ammo

[amber nest]

I bet, it felt kinda weak in Malice already

[twilit badger]

If they are bit conservative on them that is

[north cradle]

Recon with Infernus, maybe

[simple gust]

When I play Ogryn with a veteran in the group, it's easy to make back a decent chunk of ammo through the veteran team passive.

[twilit badger]

Yeah, i hate those ones with Accatran too

[north cradle]

But I could just poke Elites with a Kantrael Mk XII twice and they die anyway

[twilit badger]

Eats thru ammo like there's no tomorrow

[simple gust]

But I use grenadier so that's probably why

[twilit badger]

But then their DMG output is just pathetic

[mighty pike]

did i get lucky with this one

[north cradle]

Ooh nice

[simple gust]

What is everyone's favorite psyker melee weapon?

[north cradle]

Force Sword because I'm a scrub

[simple gust]

That's not force sword with deflector

[cyan notch]

force sword because im a pro

[north cradle]

Force Sword with Deflector is a given

[simple gust]

I have not found deflector yet

[sudden trellis]

force sword, it's still slept on somehow. I don't even care for the blessings

satisfying as hell

[simple gust]

I am out of mats from crafting grey and green force swords.

[north cradle]

I am a bit miffed that the special doesn't kill Dreg Ragers even with +20% Maniac damage but what can you do

[twilit badger]

Force sword is

[simple gust]

I own dozens of force swords and beaten all heresy. Never seen deflector.

[twilit badger]

The most disliked those "Charge" type of weapon for me

[simple gust]

So give me a back up melee until then

[twilit badger]

Pathetic attack pattern

Shit damage

[cloud heron]

no u

[twilit badger]

Also why do i get to stuck in charge animation

In a single target attack lmao

I'd rather just uses chain axe at this point?

[simple gust]

I have been using dueling sword but am open to others

[north cradle]

I wish the Force Sword had more Vanguard attacks, but I'm just waiting for that Force Greatsword that was leaked in the beta icons

[strong spoke]

Force sword in damnation is for people who like to get downed

[mighty pike]

Anything except force sword

[twilit badger]

Force great sword sounds great actually

Finally with good attack patterns i hope

Full side swings please

[simple gust]

Then what else to use besides force sword

[strong spoke]

4.99

[north cradle]

Watch Fatshark make it Strikedown but slower

[cyan notch]

skill issue

[north cradle]

Claw Sword Mk VII best class-agnostic weapon

[mighty pike]

Should I be replacing Damage (Maniacs) on this one?

[cyan notch]

why vii

[north cradle]

Has all the sweeps

[digital narwhal]

Chainsword.
It’s cool by itself, but also, passive quell with non Force weapons is nice.
I would use an Axe but... I find them boring tbh

[north cradle]

It's like Power Sword but you don't need to activate it

[simple gust]

I usually use duelling sword for mobility and dodging plus it has great damage. I'll pick up a claw for the meat grinder and see how it fares.

[cyan notch]

i like mk 1 better

horizontal heavy spam

[strong spoke]

MK 5 axe brutal momentum it's my secret weapon

[north cradle]

I think Mk VII is also horizontal heavy

[simple gust]

Yeah, I will often stun horde with surge then switch to melee and back and forth it. It's nice when you don't have time to quell

[cyan notch]

chainsword is cool it makes vroom vroom noises

[digital narwhal]

I think when Trauma gets its well deserved buff

I’m gonna main Trauma + Chainsword

[sudden trellis]

excellent point, good man

[digital narwhal]

This is my number 1 reason for running Chainsword on Psyker

I’m just

I’m glad that at least the Chainsword is a good weapon

It’s not the best, but it’s good

[wheat kraken]

When are we getting a chainstaff

[north cradle]

Force Glaive

[digital narwhal]

I’d love a Force Glaive

[orchid venture]

The game hasn't really given me a good chainsword... or a good mk2 dueling saber for that matter 😔

[sudden trellis]

the game wants you to go back to trauma staffing.

[orchid venture]

I been trauma staffing! It's given me more of those than anything else!

(besides assault rifles, of course)

[simple gust]

It's hard to find what you need because it's got a big pool to pull from to put in the store. For psyker, it's like 20 different types so you are less likely to see the one you need. Ogryn has like 10 weapons to use so they have a higher chance to get what they need.

[sudden trellis]

The Psyker can have a Little Bit of Assault Rifles .. As a Treat ..

[orchid venture]

I just thought. In VT2, they came out with weapon packs and things like that. If they do that in darktide would that just like... unlock the ability to find that in your store?

[simple gust]

God that would be terrible. You aren't guaranteed it at all then.

It's different when you can craft it from scratch

[orchid venture]

Finally, after playing an additional 30 hours, i have seen one of the weapons that i purchased access to!

[simple gust]

Stop giving them these bad ideas. Now go to the corner and think about what you've done!

[cyan notch]

i mesn thats what happened with the new weapons for zealot and ogryn

NEW WEAPON!!

camp shop until u get it

[simple gust]

But they didn't charge money for them. That's the difference.

Still bad but not as bad

[sudden trellis]

im waiting for the Better Call Saul cosmetics for the psyker

[idle bay]

Which stage of his haircut?

[sudden trellis]

good question, I like the endgame used car salesman cut

[north cradle]

Your Honour, my Beloved sits on the Golden Throne himself, and therefore his words are my command

My proof is that it came to me in a vision

[solar loom]

purged

[idle bay]

Also report system SUCKS as current store and progression system

But that is not FS fault at least 🙂

[cloud heron]

Does the interrogator count as a non-force weapon for the purpose of quelling?

I think the answer is yes but not 100% sure

[brittle crest]

i wish i could send this to an alt lol

[rocky cedar]

I just want a blazing spirit force sword to do funny memes

Please game

[near wyvern]

Bloodthirsty Blazing spirit would be nice but assuming uniform chance of blessings (which is likely not true), it would be around 1% roll to get those both. In reality I suspect the chances are much lower since not many have even seen Bloodthirsty in their game (including me).

[clear heath]

I've heard that bloodthirsty is on a list of rare blessings or something

I assume it'd be as rare as a T4 deflector or power cycler

which i've also never had

[near wyvern]

Definitely feels like it

I do have T4 deflector but deflector in general seems to be much more rare than the other usual stuff

[simple gust]

I have dozens of force swords and I have not seen deflector. I even buy all the green and grey force sword to upgrade, am now out of mats, and still no deflector

I have been level 30 for some time and usually play for a couple shop rotations every night. Still no deflector.

[severe leaf]

Deflector is overrated

[cloud heron]

What do you prefer?

[simple gust]

I still want to try it damn it lol

[cloud heron]

deflector letting you pick up teammates while under ranged fire is huge imo

[simple gust]

Gonna flex on this force staff first though.

Found it as a grey in the shop

[severe leaf]

@cloud heron i'm rolling on duelsword

[simple gust]

I have duel sword too. Mobility on that thing is so op.

[cloud heron]

look, i'm not going to say that people using non-force weapons on the psyker are wrong

but they are bad people

[digital narwhal]

Ya know, I love the Psyker that believes The God Emperor is talking to them, even though in reality it's probably a Daemon.

It's a funny concept.

[simple gust]

I do force staff but I don't think force sword is great compared to other options without deflector.

[viral inlet]

i founds the sound effects of the warp rubbing your brain with its thumbs
peak asmr

enjoy fellow psykers

[simple gust]

Don't you dare talk about my beloved like that!!!

[severe leaf]

Try axe...

[rocky cedar]

I just want to do silly Crucian abuse melee only Psyker paired with ascendant blaze

Honestly second blessing doesn't matter too much to me

[long wharf]

there's nothing you can do with crucian roulette that makes a soulblaze melee weapon worthwhile

you just don't crit enough and you aren't hitting enough targets

the only way you crit enough is via bloodthirsty, and at that point crucian roulette is redundant

[simple gust]

I assume he's using it for ascendant blaze though

[rocky cedar]

Yeah obviously gonna be very limited by force swords shitty cleave, I said it was a meme but I still wanna try it

[digital narwhal]

Consider the following:
....Force Chainsword

[toxic lintel]

It's a nice little addition that helps out sometimes

[long wharf]

yes, that was the assumption

[simple gust]

Did you know that if there are two psykers in a group, you get warp charges from the other psykers soul blaze kills too

[long wharf]

it's not even about cleaving, really

[long wharf]

it's better than that

AB procs when any enemy dies with soulblaze on them

all psykers with AB get that proc

[simple gust]

I love when a purg staff is in the group with my force staff

[toxic lintel]

You can get charges very quick with AB I've found

gotten max more or less in a second before

[idle bay]

It seems that Kinetic Deflection + Deflector on FS have a weak-spot - IF shot comes from above - it does nothing. Below - fine, above - nope

[blissful kestrel]

If force sword push attack could trigger Blazing spirit it might be good (I don't think it can but don't have blazing spirit to test). Might also be good boss damage depending on what blazing spirit stacks cap out at.

[long wharf]

all the staves are force staves

[near wyvern]

You'd do much better with the knife push spam with crucian roulette.

[long wharf]

nope it can't, I've tested

blocking pushes are not melee attacks

they don't "hit"

[simple gust]

Surge staff

[near wyvern]

They also can't proc Kinetic Flayer etc.

[long wharf]

yep yep

a shame, really

being able to technically hit (for 0 damage) via push would lead to some interesting mechanics interactions

[simple gust]

I'm fucking goddamn palpatine bitches. Feel my force staff surge through you!!!

[long wharf]

well, finally got a knife with lacerate on it for my zealot

I've got a shitty pistol with crucian roulette 1 on it, though

[jagged badger]

lmao

[marsh token]

the blocking angle is quite narrow though.
For some unknown reason, rangend hits coming from the side or from too high up drain my stamina when blocking. Or damaged my health/toughness

[jagged badger]

Satisfying. I will keep this 😄

[near wyvern]

@long wharf in case you didn't know, you can use soulblaze to deck out decimator & shred in less than a second:

1. Hit something with your melee
2. Light at least 5 (shred) or 6 (decimator) targets with soulblaze either using purgatus or ult
3. Swap to melee and your blessing will be decked out in 1 soulblaze tick.

You can also melee once after you have set the targets on fire. Decimator is a meh cause it doesn't stick but shred is super useful for purge. Light enemies on fire, hit something once, wait 1 second and swap back and you will have +25% crit chance until you use your melee to hit something again.

[digital narwhal]

I hope the future Force Swords we get have better standard attacks than our current Force Sword.
(There's code for 2 more in the game, different Mks, like the different Mks of Axes).

[long wharf]

yeah, definitely works

I just don't use those blessings on my melee weapons right now

jesus, even with a crap knife and a shit crucian roulette pistol, this slaps

[near wyvern]

Knife push attack?

[long wharf]

yeah, this is too OP

[near wyvern]

Yeah it slaps hard even without crucian roulette

People are sleeping on it, kinetic deflection is all you really need

[long wharf]

I'm one-shotting all the specials on damnation in the meat grinder

two-shot mutant

[near wyvern]

You have superior mobility, a truck load of damage with a really fast stagger.

[long wharf]

this is on my zealot

[near wyvern]

Oh right

[long wharf]

see, the way the zealot uses bleed is how I think the psyker should be using soulblaze

[near wyvern]

What we really need is a two handed sword with great cleave and Blazing Spirit.

[digital narwhal]

Heavy Force Sword

[long wharf]

force claymore

I want my psyker to run wearing nothing but a kilt

[near wyvern]

Make it 4 and all running AB and Kinetic Overload.

Woosh

[long wharf]

that actually sounds like a fun time

as long as that sword gets penetration to deal with armor

then you'd have all the bases covered

[near wyvern]

They can all have surge staffs for the memes 😂

[digital narwhal]

I really want a Force Sword with Shred and Blazing Spirit

[near wyvern]

Bloodthirsty and Blazing Spirit for me pls

[long wharf]

actually, I'd bet that surge and void would be best for that setup

[digital narwhal]

Thought you couldn't get Bloodthirsty on the Force Sword

[near wyvern]

Yes cause you don't need more horde clear at that point

And Void is a good all arounder

[long wharf]

surge because giving teammates more tactical room is always good

and void for stagger/ranged

that genuinely sounds viable

[sudden trellis]

is this what we're calling it now? tactical room?

[near wyvern]

I would so much want to try 3 purge 1 surge party all wearing psychic communion, kinetic overload and AB

[digital narwhal]

Also, I wish we had better ways of getting Warp Charges with other Staves

[long wharf]

that would definitely be an interesting experiment

[digital narwhal]

I know we have Kinetic Flayer

But like

Purgatus works well with Ascendant Blaze

[long wharf]

purge is the only staff with any actual synergy with psyker feats

[digital narwhal]

I wish Trauma, Surge and Voidstrike had better methods of gaining Warp Charges

[near wyvern]

Kinetic overload is so weak alone but when you slap 3 purge and 4 AB on it, the amount of warp charges generated should go through the roof

[long wharf]

I've thought (for a while now) that trauma ought to lay down a patch of warpfire

[near wyvern]

Definitely. Or apply like up to 5 stacks of warpfire depending on charge time and make it cap at 10.

[long wharf]

I'd rather not have multiple staves that directly apply warpfire

[near wyvern]

But no fall of for warpfife effect based on epicenter distance, if it hits it lits

[long wharf]

I like the idea of trauma creating an area denial, though

it's unique

[near wyvern]

But it's a bit counter productive with the knock back

[long wharf]

yep, remove the knockback, make it knockdown

[near wyvern]

Yeah that would be much better

[long wharf]

drop a patch of warpfire that lingers for, say 10 seconds or so

[near wyvern]

No more random ragers on the backline

[long wharf]

and let that stack up soulblaze while you punish enemies with a unique CC

[near wyvern]

But GL getting that through to devs

[long wharf]

I had a thought last night, to write up all my ideas on how to improve psyker, make reddit and forum posts about it

so that the devs could just ignore it entirely

[near wyvern]

I have been experiencing crashes since I updated to Windows 11 and found its probably because of deadlock or race condition as if I run the game on potato mode with 1 thread no crashes.

I provided all the information required and instead of getting back to me they just edited a typo in my post. That's it.

[digital narwhal]

Tbh, I like the idea of Trauma applying Soulblaze instead of leaving patches of Warpfire myself because it feels crunchy as is, just that it's not that great.

I know it'd probably be a better change to make it leave a patch of Warpfire for diversity's sake, but I like the feel of Trauma rn

Even if it barely does anything

Seeing limbs fly off and everything getting flung away feels fun

[near wyvern]

The only fun part about Trauma is the visuals when you splat trash with it, but that's where the pros end.

[bright birch]

Is there a generally known max-targets for Surge Staff? It seems limited, making Purgus more appealing in terms of numbers even if its for crowd control.

[ornate hamlet]

Nah, its also great for just staggering enemies it doesnt outright kill

[near wyvern]

If I recall it's 6 but haven't counted myself

[ornate hamlet]

Lot of complaints about how its aimed, too, but Ive used it fairly often to get entrenched enemies I wouldnt be able to reach otherwise

[near wyvern]

But then again you could just use purge and kill everything while staggering them. The only exception being crusher but makes it piss easy for the allies to deal with it when there is nothing else to worry about.

[digital narwhal]

6 to 7 per cast

[bright birch]

I wish the multi-hit items would perk-proc Brain Burst on the a priority list.

[ornate hamlet]

Big advocate for purgatus, soulfire is fun to look at :)

[bright birch]

I was thinking of going with Surge just so sharpshooters could see their targets.

[digital narwhal]

I wanna use Purgatus more, but everytime I do, all my teammates refuse to shoot ranged enemies.

[near wyvern]

BB time. It's slow but it works.

[digital narwhal]

Veteran: Hehe funny buzz buzz sword
We die because ranged enemies go uncontested
Also Veteran: "Psyker issue"

[ornate hamlet]

Sadly common, I end up having to channel my inner Zealot because the veteran refuses to use their gun, for once

[near wyvern]

You forgot the part where they are doing this on the enemies you are flaming.

[digital narwhal]

Yep

[ornate hamlet]

If only deflector was more common for the FS

[digital narwhal]

Me: Currently locking down an entire horde of Poxwalkers
The Veteran: MUST GO INTO MELEE

[near wyvern]

It's not that great. The best part of it is receiving under ranged fire but that's it.

If you need to rely on deflector to deal with ranged on a weapon that has unlimited dodges, let me put it this way... You are preventing yourself from becoming better at the game.

[toxic lintel]

Deflector is best when you are using purg staff

[ornate hamlet]

Would definitely help when youre stuck with melee vets and trying to use purgatus, like I was talking about

[near wyvern]

I have tanked ranged to cover a ress using the combat blade.

[near wyvern]

Nah, you want combat knife or duelling sword for the mobility.

Deflector is decent with void.

Cause with void you can just sit back and click heads, deflector is good for that 'oh shit I forgot to stay near cover' and most importantly the clutch revive.

[toxic lintel]

I mean FS is good at dodging, and those long corridors a shield is better than just spamming dodge hoping to not be shot

[near wyvern]

Cause moving like a turtle is no biggie for void.

[near wyvern]

You will help your team a lot more of you just start to BB the ranged than start to play a shield ogryn when it's not needed.

[long wharf]

jesus h christ that was ridiculous

literally ran through an assassination, both grims picked up, and I almost solo'd the boss

this feels like the way zealot should feel all the time

[toxic lintel]

BBing ranged is useful, but if you need to push having deflector gives you that option to go on and distrupt the shooters

[near wyvern]

In case people don't know you can safely start and finish a BB at 97%, always. So many Psykers are quelling too much. If you wanna play it safe (like I do) quell it to 95%. Leaves enough room for miss judging your quel duration.

[bright birch]

Any stable build for tanking Daemonhosts? I am trying to see if a high Stamina, STA/Regen, and peril-block perk would allow it. Still collecting curio.

[toxic lintel]

Also bbing is slow

[sudden trellis]

crucian+lace knife experience?

[long wharf]

yep

[near wyvern]

You should never have the need to push. The correct way is always to fall back in a pinch.

[sudden trellis]

my man. 🤝

[bright birch]

My thoughts are I might be able to mix it into my brain burst build.

[long wharf]

I just ignored the crushers

[digital narwhal]

Peril Block Talent
Any melee that isn't Force Sword
Profit

[long wharf]

stayed with the group for the most part, but just buzzsawed through the elites and specials

[toxic lintel]

I mean if you need to go forward to objective and enemy is in the way

[near wyvern]

Just dodge every now and then

[sudden trellis]

cruc-lace knife changed my outlook on zealots entirely, favorite class with this high speed low drag setup

[digital narwhal]

Dodge the big hits, yeah

Block the rapid hits

dodge the big ones

[desert lance]

I can with peril stam/blockefficiency and Stam regen. Also toughness regen by quelling

[bright birch]

Good to know, thanks for the input

[near wyvern]

Then you kill the enemy first and let the objective to wait. There are no timed objectives (yet) in the game. Waiting for opportune moment is better than forcing a push.

[magic burrow]

Psykers have the unfortunate effect of making everything they attack glow and light up, activating people's "ooh shiny!" crow brain and making them unable to see anything else

[toxic lintel]

But like I said deflector is best with purg staff for helping to cover the weakness of lack of ranged

[digital narwhal]

I've met people who genuinely didn't know that Warp Charges existed

and they assumed that shooting BB targets is fine.

[toxic lintel]

Waiting can be bad though, as it will just increase horde spawns and chance of a monstrosity

[near wyvern]

This is what I have. It can 1 tap groaner and poxwalker heads at Damnation. Trust me, it's not something you want to bring with a purge.

[toxic lintel]

That looks like the exact thing you want with a purge based on what I'm saying

[near wyvern]

I have that +20 unarmoured rolled into +25 infested that is

Trust me it's not

I almost exclusively play with purge

All you need on that is mobility

[toxic lintel]

And it helps to reduce peril allowing for a quicker swap back to staff

[sudden trellis]

purge really b carrying randoms in 4

[toxic lintel]

Purge is a god send for hordes

[near wyvern]

You serious? Auto quelling on a regular melee is so much faster

[sudden trellis]

people pull up with no a answer to hordes

so purg solves the issue, at least in my experience

[toxic lintel]

Exorcist gives that nice quell increase if you are needing a deflector

[digital narwhal]

I want Trauma to be buffed and soon so I can run with my ideal Trauma + Chainsword loadout.

Pls Overweight Fish, pls.

[near wyvern]

Have you tried Exorcist vs auto quelling on a regular melee???

[sullen barn]

what makes you pop heads in 1 tap ? The 8% ?

[simple gust]

Quell speed at 80 makes for a super fast quell on surge staff anyways

[toxic lintel]

The +20 and +8 most likely

[near wyvern]

Yes the 8% + 25 infested (which I have instead of that +20 unarmoured) and the stat rolls are just enough to 1 tap heavy poxwalkers and more than enough for groaner heads.

[sullen barn]

oh the +20% is not just on melee

[near wyvern]

This the current rolls

[toxic lintel]

Can't say I have, and yes auto quelling on regular melee is very good, but if you using deflector is nice buff, but not the best

[sullen barn]

ah they count as infested too

[digital narwhal]

It'd be cool if we had something like Ogryn's bleed on heavies, where instead we could apply Soulblaze consistently with melee weapons without needing to build into Crits for Blazing Spirit on the Force Sword.

[near wyvern]

The FS I have is amazing, but not for purge. For void.

[toxic lintel]

But deflector is a best used on a purge build, not necessary the best choice depending on playstyle

[near wyvern]

But it isn't. People are treating like it's so super good but it's not.

[toxic lintel]

It is good tho, blocking ranged fire in a shooter game is good

As pairing that with dodging can allowing you to push enemies quite safely

[near wyvern]

Cosplaying a jedi when you could be killing stuff in a horde game is not good for your team.

[toxic lintel]

Now if you are great at dodging than other options might be better for you

[near wyvern]

No groaners are unarmoured but have 200 health on Damnation, poxwalkers are infested and have 300 health.

[toxic lintel]

It is a great way to protect yourself

[near wyvern]

On that I agree, but not to protect your team.

[digital narwhal]

Deflector is only seen as being as good as it is because Psyker as a class is too slow compared to other classes; it's a fast paced shooter where you should kill things quickly, but Psyker spends a good amount of time charging abilities and spells.
The moment I picked up a gun as a Psyker, my view on Deflector changed. It's not Deflector being good, it's Psyker having problems.

[toxic lintel]

God no It's bad for protecting teammates, It's a niche blessing for certain playstyles

[near wyvern]

Psyker spends a food amount of time charging abilities and spells

Which is exactly why you need a mobility melee weapon with a staff that has amazing crowd control and damage but can only deliver it on a limited range.

[sullen barn]

for now i'd like to have deflector because as a psyker even if i'm a bit better than my mates I tend to fall faster (than my other builds). would be nice having deflector to not die when being pinned by a group of laser snipers. Definitely avoidable with better placement but that's why i think it's a nice option until you feel you don't need it

[toxic lintel]

Gunsykers be pretty strong, benefit of those spells is having no ammo requirement

[digital narwhal]

Ammo isn't much of an issue if you don't have greedy teammates

[toxic lintel]

True but it's nice to not worry about it regardless, but yeah psyker defo needs work

[sullen barn]

yeah some people spam ammo on ennemies that don't need it and then complain they don't have enough

[glass lotus]

Another 25% extra health or +1 wound, what do you guys think?

[near wyvern]

Which is my point why FS deflector is a poor choice for purge. Purge is extremely good at keeping your team safe and clear for enemies but you need to deal with a limited range and fast changing situations with bomber and flamer fires. A mobility melee weapon allows you to keep doing what you are supposed to do with purge.

[digital narwhal]

With Gun Psyker, I use a Recon Lasgun, and I only use my shots on enemies that require being shot:
Dregs and Scabs with guns, Gunners, Shotgunners, Snipers, Grenadiers etc

I never run into ammo issues if I have people splitting the work with me (like a good Veteran) or if I don't have greedy teammates (like a Purge Zealot who refuses to let go of M1).

[olive ember]

Meanwhile I use deflector FS with my surge staff kek

[toxic lintel]

I can see that, but too many times I have found a corridor lined with ranged to feel comfortable trying to dodge my way towards them or wait for others to do so

[glass lotus]

I Play Voidstrike + deflector fs just because it's fun.

[supple skiff]

^

[toxic lintel]

Fun is important

[lone fractal]

🤔

[supple skiff]

void might not have the utility of the other options but you can do the emperors work with it with good positioning

[near wyvern]

Then it's just a matter of practicing your movement skills. When you sprint slide, you will dodge ranged attacks, so you can essentially use your stamina and your dodges to avoid ranged hits until you get into Purge LMB range. A purge with Run N Gun may help you get started but it's definitely not necessary to have that blessing.

[glass lotus]

Have no issues, at least one heresy

[near wyvern]

Deflector is a solid choice with Voidstrike, nothing wrong with that

[glass lotus]

The crunch sound when headshotting a Horde

[toxic lintel]

I do all that don't get me wrong, but I feel a lot more comfortable with that safety net when pusing, also I've tried run/gun purge it just feels wrong

[supple skiff]

can't get into surge or purge

[toxic lintel]

Deflector is a slower approach though when you are blocking you can have a chance to regenerate stam, assuming kinetic deflection

[glass lotus]

Surge lacks Impact for me

[toxic lintel]

Yeah it feels very much support based

[supple skiff]

you can fufill a suppression support role with void

[toxic lintel]

Oh Void is fantastic for that, and the increased range is super nice

[supple skiff]

which is a fancy way to say spamming non charged rmb at gun mobs is fun someties

[glass lotus]

I know it's very usefull, I just don't Like the way it's feels

[toxic lintel]

It's a nice middle ground between cc and ranged ability

[supple skiff]

void is also great if your team lets you initiate on patrols

[toxic lintel]

Just delete half on them at once

[near wyvern]

Surge is super strong but you are relying on your team mates to do damage. If your team mates suck it's hard to carry (herecy and above).

[toxic lintel]

I feel like surge benefits a lot from having a good cc melee

[shut valve]

Surge creates the space for others to be able to do dmg because ideally they'll not have to worry about dogs or mutants pounding them

[toxic lintel]

Haven't tried it too much but it would be good to stun,swap kill,stun repeat

[shut valve]

It's kinda a 'tank' playstyle almost

[toxic lintel]

Also helps a lot against bulwarks which can be a pain in hordes

[near wyvern]

@supple skiff for Purge I recommend to try 122132 and use a duelling sword as a melee. You can use your ult quite liberally and you definitely want to pop it on a group of elites (like a rager pack). LMB when you need to CC, RMB when you need to damage.

[bright birch]

I don't have Block Efficiency and was only on T3 mission, but I was able to tank a DH

[shut valve]

Yeah bulwarks become fodder if they are getting zapped

[near wyvern]

I have tanked a Daemon host on herecy with a duelling sword and no block efficiency. You just need to have some space to dodge around.

Kinetic deflection obligatory obviously

[toxic lintel]

Yeah DH aren't too bad, it's strange how good of a tank psyker can be

[pale basalt]

same i had no issues py, but my team was to chicken to fight it so we went down

[slow karma]

I'm happy with psyker as it is but this is outside of the context of having more subclasses

And with FS being radio silent on literally everything atm, I'm not sure what to expect

[near wyvern]

The feats should just be reworked quite a bit. There are many that bring very little value and none to improve your gun play except Kinetic Flayer.

[toxic lintel]

I'm hoping that survey wasn't just a delaying tactic, but yeah no update so far ain't good

[slow karma]

I don't operate at a level that I have to be concerned with guns being supported

[pale basalt]

heads may be rolling? hopefully the morons who came up with the progression design

[slow karma]

In fact I'd fully expect one of the other subclasses psyker gets to be the "gunmage" variant

[supple skiff]

the options of the survey being what they are shows they already know whats wrong

100 percent stalling for time

[slow karma]

That's the kind of shit we need more options at a top level to let shake out

Making the one thing we have now do more isn't the play

[toxic lintel]

Hopefully they at the very least address the issues that people have said, means they have been heard

[supple skiff]

between that and using a brand new CM to soften the repsonse is not a good look

[slow karma]

That's what everyone hopes any dev does

It's the bare minimum

[digital narwhal]

Idea:
Emperor's Gifts should only give Class Unique Weapons.

[slow karma]

I don't care what they give, we need more of them

[digital narwhal]

Fair.

[toxic lintel]

Melk's Shop should be max rolled weapons

[digital narwhal]

^

[supple skiff]

on a potentially related note im told the CCP bought controlling shares in tencent, so that might have implications lol

[slow karma]

Yeah no that'd be cracked

[pale basalt]

no shit I haven't seen a damn thing I want from Melk

[digital narwhal]

Literally every method of gaining weapons rn sucks

[tired estuary]

I gotta give void another chance but 1: I'm purge-pilled and 2: Gotta roll a really good one to appreciate it properly I think

[toxic lintel]

Yup, slows progression so much

[slow karma]

it should be higher averages, but not straight up max rolled

[pale basalt]

I have completely embraced gunpsyking because of a lack of decent rolled staves

[toxic lintel]

Good point max is a lot

[digital narwhal]

On top of the fact that crafting materials don't come in fast enough.

[toxic lintel]

but still higher than the regular store

[digital narwhal]

and we have no material exchange either.

[tired estuary]

yeah unless there's v important breakpoints tied to rolling 80 dmg idc too much but I want high stats in general for it + gotta get headshot quell blessing on it

[slow karma]

Yeah the grind isn't the most fun but it's still key to the experience imo

It not being fun is indicative of other issues

So best not to undermine it entirely

[tired estuary]

cat eating spaghetti meme but its hadron with plasteel

[digital narwhal]

I would already have 300 hours or something if the game's grind was more enjoyable.

[toxic lintel]

Game is fun apart from bugs with certain enemies

[supple skiff]

watch them implement crafting but not address the mat bottleneck lmao

[digital narwhal]

Rn it feels like crawling through molasses.

[toxic lintel]

Just you know need what was you know advertised

[slow karma]

I love the game. I'll burn out eventually but that's what the subclasses and new weapons are gonna be for

That alone will keep things fresh for me, even in the missions we have

[digital narwhal]

Yes, one new subclass every 3 months.

[supple skiff]

i've stopped playing but still hang out here and on the reddit

[digital narwhal]

[slow karma]

I don't really care about their timeline

As long as we get them. Which we will

Maybe not at that pace, or even close to it

[digital narwhal]

Honestly at this point I'm unsure on even that.

[slow karma]

but it has to happen or they'll be crucified

Nah, i can see the bare minimum

[supple skiff]

if they're going to claim this is a live service game they need to increase the pace from what they've done in the past

[slow karma]

I think they're just trying to pull a half-assed NMS sitch where they buckle down and just dole out content.

Whether that content will be as scuffed as the launch was remains to be seen

I'll be the first to say FS is a hackneyed team but they at least put things out most of the time

[toxic lintel]

They are slow to put stuff out though

[slow karma]

Besides, they've put far too many eggs in the Darktide basket to just fumble it so hard they go under

Slow doesn't mean they dont

That versus mode that no one should have asked for in VT2 is a worst case scenario

[toxic lintel]

Yeah that would have been meh

[digital narwhal]

I know this may sound a bit "Oh but I want it now!"
But they advertised it as a live service game, and at this point, there's barely enough content to call it a finished game.
They need to pick up the pace.

[slow karma]

The fact is, they do put out their content. It's just that it usually comes bundled with a veritable daemonhost of issues to fix

[toxic lintel]

I just want the crafting system

[slow karma]

That too

That would make the mat grind way more tolerable even in its current form

[toxic lintel]

It would do wonders for making the loop feel better

[stray pond]

Oh boy my first 380

[toxic lintel]

But at the moment it's down to luck and praying

[stray pond]

And it's a fucking Headhunter Autogun

[digital narwhal]

And it's a Headhunter

Pain.

[slow karma]

I guess my point is I'm just way, way, WAY more patient than most in gaming nowadays and the constant bile being spewed by gamers in this day and age is as offputting as bad development practices.

[toxic lintel]

Same, I know it's coming, and I know getting mad the wait doesn't help me

[stray pond]

There's also this in the shop but I don't know if this is worth it on Psyker

It's also not a MK 2

[toxic lintel]

If you like deleting peeps

If you can afford it might as well try it out if you are unsure

[stray pond]

Oh of course I have the dockets I just don't know if taxes are that good on Psyker

[toxic lintel]

Depends on what ranged you have and your playstyle tbh

[old ember]

how important would you guys say warp resistance is for surge force?

[toxic lintel]

It'll make a decent elite melee sniper

[slow karma]

Oh that's something I've meant to ask

[stray pond]

My playstyle is currently melee only with a Crucian Roulette gun

[slow karma]

Do we have any documentation about what variants of weapons are the ones worth using?

[toxic lintel]

I've seen reddit posts about vet guns, and a couple of steam guides

[stray pond]

Mm. This curio makes me happy.

It's not 21% health but oh well

[toxic lintel]

They might not be the best as they were during release tho

[slow karma]

Emperor have mercy

[stray pond]

Can't do much better

[toxic lintel]

Still good

[slow karma]

That's fantastic

[stray pond]

It's perfect for if I ever fuckin' get a nice Deflector sword

I currently just have 2 subpar Deflectors

[toxic lintel]

Just wait until you try the meme which is high stam FS

[stray pond]

That's no meme, that works

[toxic lintel]

Nothing stands in your way

[stray pond]

Peril blocking + decent stamina is great

[toxic lintel]

It works too well

Hordes get stunned, Bulwarks pushed onto their backs

[viscid brook]

should i be using the left one?

[stray pond]

The one on the right is probably better

[toxic lintel]

The extra damage on left is nice, but exorcist ain't too useful

+12.5 power will let you melt hordes after a kill or two

[viscid brook]

oic thanks!

[dry tide]

what's the difference between power and damage?

[stray pond]

Wish I could tell you, all I know is that power increases damage

[viscid brook]

power is buff i think?

[toxic lintel]

Power I believe increase stats overall, and damage is well damage

Would need to check however as not 100% sure

[bright birch]

That would be nice to be sure of, because it had me ??? when I saw it.

Hard to make a strategic value judgement when so much is unknown.

[dry tide]

I've seen people say that it can also increase damage resistance, but I haven't seen anyone cite the code to back that up

[stray pond]

Oh right I forgot I bought this FS from Melk as a meme

[idle bay]

Blazing Spirit on FS proc 2-3 times per 30 minutes mission anyway.

Like it seems to have crit in 0.001 % area

[idle bay]

It's a willing donor for a blessing 🙂

[stray pond]

Oh I plan on using the fuck outta that blessing when/if we can ever transfer blessings

It's nice with Crucian Roulette

[pale crescent]

its been 10,000 years since ive seen a staff over 350 in the regular shop

[fresh reef]

joined, didn't get to put in a single input, lost
then get to see this gem of a zealot

fantastic

[stray pond]

The more I look at that Zealot the more I see wrong

[ornate hamlet]

Average 40k fan zealot

[pale crescent]

straight to the block list

[bright birch]

@fresh reef gamer words

[bright birch]

my highest modifier-pt item is a Trauma Staff, I started out hating it... now I use with w/ my Brain-burst/DH-tank build

[fresh reef]

matched with him again

runs off ahead
gets pounced
singlehandedly caused a wipe

awesome

[stray pond]

Heroic

He's using a combat knife isn't he

[fresh reef]

100% health
no mistakes made

1

single slip up

instant death

fantastic

[stray pond]

No wound curio

Even better

[fresh reef]

I don't really expect smart choices from a misogynist tbh

[stray pond]

Lmao dog, 2 pox bursters, mutant

That's rough

[fresh reef]

I think my favorite part was when the vet, instead of attempting to shove the bursters

jumps

[warped perch]

I dropped my wound curio for all toughness

I think the wound curio just makes you squishy

Or even more squishy

[stray pond]

A singular wound curio is a cushion for a singular fuck-up

Of course you can just pull the "No fuck-ups" card but still

[warped perch]

I mean I def fuck up

But I think the added pressure tightens my play lol

[stray pond]

Wait toughness on Psyker over health?

[warped perch]

Yep

[stray pond]

I'm intrigued yet concerned

[fresh reef]

I also run toughness

[warped perch]

Toughness is more useful than health imo

[fresh reef]

worth buying from Melk?

[stray pond]

I can see where the advantages might be at least

I'd personally grab it just because it has a T4 perk

Blessing*

[fresh reef]

what exactly does rending do again?

[stray pond]

Reduces enemy armor

...Mm it's probably not that good even as a T4

[fresh reef]

very nice looking staff. not sure what this charm is from but I greatly enjoy it

[mighty pike]

It's a staff issue

[fresh reef]

it's certainly not good as a T2 I can tell you that much lol

[stray pond]

Yeah no kidding

[mighty pike]

Wish duelling swords did tactical axe damage instead of force sword damage. Feels like slapping poxwalkers with a fish

[fresh reef]

I do have a similar blessing on knife though

it does seem a bit impactful

[bright birch]

just saw my first Deflector blessing, it was 6% on a base 336 FS... underwelming

[mighty pike]

Often is

[maiden knoll]

How do you feel about psyker with guns?

[stray pond]

Depends.

Can be good, could just be a Crucian Roulette stat stick, could be garbage

[fresh reef]

isn't it kinda weird how purg staff with AB simultaneously is the best melee trash clear and the best answer psyker has to groups of shooters? (outside of gun psyker ofc)

[frigid marten]

a crucian roulette stat stick on psyker for what?

[stray pond]

This is the first Deflector I found. I was long since level 30.

Melee crits of course

[bright birch]

like the torrent lasgun w/ brainburst-proc, its one of the builds I started playing on

[frigid marten]

psyker don't have much melee crit sinergy, or gun sinergy, psyker pretty much only have sinergy with BB and staff/force sword.

[maiden knoll]

Yes,that's what I'm thinking about. Which gun do you use for it?

[stray pond]

FS is great with crits, especially with Blazing Spirit

[toxic lintel]

But that damage increase from peril and warp charges is nice

[stray pond]

Or you could run a crit oriented Devil's Claw and it's pretty solid horde clear

This as an example

[robust meteor]

wish i had one with those perks

[stray pond]

It's my go-to melee, it's just a bit sad about its cleave targets

I've got another Devil's Claw but it... It makes me sad. It bugged out and locked a perk without being rerolled and its blessings are depressing.

[pale basalt]

does the alt fire work well? I've never really used the claw

[stray pond]

This one could've been so good

Parrying? It's a thing I suppose.

[robust meteor]

iirc parry takes down ravagers in 2 parries on damnation

[pale basalt]

ah yeah I can see that useful against them since they swing so much

[stray pond]

It's nice, it's a full block in a tough spot

Now then time to go run some Malice or Heresy missions for Plasteel

[bright birch]

Sorry about the late reply, but its pretty good for clearing hordes. Till someone knocks them down, it is just aim-secondary and go left-to-right about head level.

Heck, if you go with the Lvl 30 soul blaze perk you practically have a grenade on recharge.

[maiden knoll]

That's what I thought, thank you for the reply.

[bright birch]

The DPS can get so high that its like Ammo=Medi

[idle bay]

After very clutch run of Deflector build on Heresy (and clutch was big enough to smack a Titan), i'm thinking to pair FS with Purgatus instead of Surge. It can face-tank heresy spawn of shooting enemies with Gunners and Reapers in the crowd without going into red Peril zone, and stabilising at ~40% Peril

[brave dawn]

kinetic barrage is lowkey goated tho

[idle bay]

Probably a build to do a no-melee damage taken run 🙂

[brave dawn]

no just the only perk to keep ur stacks ❤️

[white hemlock]

You ever clutch so hard you have to sit back appreciate what you've done?

[idle bay]

It's nearly 1am, waking up for work at 5:30 am..... One more game then.

[idle bay]

yes

[white hemlock]

NGL, I don't do it often because I do think I'm rather mediocre in general, but when you rescue 3 out of action teammates while sitting on 1 HP during coolant rods and you go on to beat the level... feels good

zappy stick is a bit of a crutch, though

[valid lake]

haven't yet I'm mostly the one getting blown off the map but i joined round and fell though the map and got the chance to watch another psyker clutch with void staff on the prison map it was a beautiful sight

[white hemlock]

Love me some void staff, hell yea

[bright birch]

I saved 3 out teammates while running a knife and "ravegun", I was jumping and dodging all over the place. I think it was T3 high intensity or a T4, can't remember.

The team congratulated me with "you mad f-er, you did it". I just tryharded and didn't break focus.. plus if you got ammo with the ravegun its as good as health

[slow karma]

Ugh I keep missing minor topics I wanna jump in on

I've started loving the parry on the claw sword

[bright birch]

How good is it, I never got use to or noticed when to use it?

[slow karma]

It's just a timed block window from the front

if you block something with it, you do an instant counter hit that does a really strong hit

Usually if you parry something, less than a elite you take it out entirely

Plus you can cancel into it from a lot of stuff so you can use it defensively

[floral solstice]

the parry is cool yeah but honestly I just stopped bothering with it at some point, instead I'd typically just do an overhead with mk4 or block with deflection

wish the parry attack did more stagger or something too

[slow karma]

Well I like it more on zealot cuz he can put the weapon as a whole to much better use

Not so much on psyker

But it's still nice if you like the parry in general

[floral solstice]

Oh yeah definitely. I did a couple of runs with it on high intensity t5 with no issues. Thing melts hordes with the right blessings

I use it on psyker with surge too, i'd prolly replace it though if I get a god roll taxe/caxe

[slow karma]

Same. I fell in love with the combat axe a while back

it just hits so damn hard

[mighty pike]

never had a game with an ogryn be successful on Heresy

[floral solstice]

Also for some reason, my psyker's non-optimal claw 4's overhead hits harder than my heavy sword mk 9 on zealot's overhead

[floral solstice]

ehh that's just skill issue on the randoms you meet, big boi is fine in damnation

[mighty pike]

its usually not then going down first, but we do always lose

[floral solstice]

Their job is to keep melee elite and hordes off the lil 'uns and usually the random ogryns forget that their kit has crazy stagger/knockback

The usual signs i see on bad pug ogryns is they either stick to ranged way too much or melee way too much and die up front to some shooters lol

[bright birch]

I can't get use to pickup-squad's mercenary attitude of not covering corners and running forward...

[mighty pike]

getting to that point of Heresy where im using brainburst to snipe dregs while hiding behind a barrel

[austere estuary]

I usually feel like if I have an ogryn it's a much safer run

good ogryn just feel like such great anchors

[floral solstice]

When I see a group of dregs in t5 i just pop kinetic barrage and start popping heads, even with a vet

Dregs are the real threat to the warhammer universe

Emprah should just hire them

[frigid marten]

stalker and shotgunners.

[floral solstice]

At least the scabs die fast to my surge

Those dregs just...

[cloud heron]

Decided to give the voidstrike a go. How're these base stats?

charge rate specifically i felt like was low but actually looking at the numbers they look kind of too small to matter

[hot zephyr]

Seems fine to me, I have one that's a little low on blast radius and it feels not-great, so it'll be hard to find something better unless you get a god-roll one

[warped perch]

God I love psyker infinistun

I got separated from my team and ran through a horde with stun

[mighty pike]

:\

[warped perch]

That’s good imo

Deflected is pog

[mighty pike]

emperor gave me this too

[neat summit]

Auto pistol with kinetic flayer is dumb fun

[mellow yacht]

.

[cloud heron]

Are you trying to use kinetic flayer as a source of damage here or you're just trying to build up for like an AB ult?

[long wharf]

relying on kinetic flayer to get you to max stacks at the same time that you plan on using AB is ... less than ideal

[glossy pivot]

worth maxing?

[stray pond]

Uh. yes

I was under the impression at this point that a max stat FS couldn't even be generated, they always generate at like 320 base stats for me

[fierce sinew]

warp resistance kind of a dump stat on force sword but if you don't have a better deflector already I'd roll it

[glossy pivot]

took a lot of waiting fr shop refreshes but pretty much all weapons can be at max base modifier

[stray pond]

My first and only 380 weapon is a Mk 3 Headhunter Autorifle. Aka one of the worst guns in the game.

[glossy pivot]

ive got a fair number but theyre all over the place. Like a 380 autopistol on psyker, 380 lasgun on pskyer and zealot

also from what I've seen shop doesnt offer 380s to characters that are still lvling up

[stray pond]

My Psyker and Zealot have been max level for at least two weeks now

High stat weapons are practically nonexistent for me

[wheat quartz]

I have a 380 knife on my zealot that Hadron bricked
380 autopistol on psyker

[stray pond]

I've got a 379 Devil's Claw on my Psyker that Hadron was mean to

[balmy zealot]

the melkman came thru

[vale trench]

what are the best blessings for a voidstrike staff?

[balmy zealot]

there's one that reduces peril on headshots

[digital narwhal]

Out of curiosity, what grade do you think our Psykers are in-game?
Part of me wants to say Delta, or bordering on Gamma considering the sheer amount of abilities we have.

Like, our power is very fitting of a Delta-Grade Psyker, but Delta-Grade Psykers typically have only one ability/discipline they're proficient at.

Meanwhile our Psyker can use Biomancy, Pyromancy, Telekinesis, and if going by character voicelines, likely Telepathy too.

[boreal cave]

id hardly say our psykers are proficient our taits suck

[long wharf]

that's a question for people who like to waste their time

[vale trench]

is a legit question, your response is the time waster

[cloud heron]

Transfer peril and then either uninterruptible secondary or charge speed on chained secondaries

[long wharf]

Transfer Peril is #1

[warped perch]

What are the blessings you want on purg? My current one has terrifying barage

[long wharf]

I like Warp Nexus, if you can't get Surge

[long wharf]

warp nexus, you want as much crit as possible

[cloud heron]

Uninterruptible secondary and charge speed on secondary are the only ones I think are meaningful, and neither is a huge deal

[digital narwhal]

Warp Nexus and Warp Flurry

Terrifying Barrage isn't as useful as Warpfire has pretty strong suppression as-is

[warped perch]

Is warp resistance important on purg on nah

[long wharf]

you absolutely want warp nexus

[warped perch]

Or

[digital narwhal]

Not reeaally

[cloud heron]

What's crit do for purge?

[long wharf]

apply two stacks of soulblaze instead of 1

[digital narwhal]

Purge doesn't build dangerous amounts of Peril

[cloud heron]

Oh damn

[digital narwhal]

So as long as you quell once in a while

no boom.

[cloud heron]

Is that just something datamined or how do you know that

[warped perch]

Cuz there's one in the shop that has 79% burn and 78 radius but only 55% resistance

I might snap it up

[long wharf]

you can test it for yourself in the meat grinder

[digital narwhal]

55% Resistance is still deeecent

Could ya show the full roll?

[cloud heron]

wasnt saying I dont believe you to be clear, just not something I think I would have ever noticed

[digital narwhal]

Damage could be higher, but if you don't have anything better-

grab it.

[long wharf]

uh huh, and some of us actually go into the meat grinder to test mechanics and weapon performance

[warped perch]

I thought damage doesn't really matter as much as burn or cloud

[digital narwhal]

Damage does affect burn damage too iirc

[long wharf]

it doesn't

[digital narwhal]

Of course Burn and Cloud are more important, but you ideally wanna see Damage as the 3rd highest

[warped perch]

I'm trying to get a new one cuz my current one has decent stats but bad blessings

Barahe and run n gun

Barrge

Barrage

[long wharf]

typing is hard 🙂

[digital narwhal]

Terrifying Barrage and Run 'n' Gun is definitely one to replace

Yeah

[warped perch]

Otherwise the stats are good which is sad

[digital narwhal]

Lets see the stats?

[warped perch]

Sorry for the bad screenshot lol

[proud mantle]

any knife psyker enjoyers that can recommend/dissuade me on this?

[digital narwhal]

Keep it for when they finish crafting

Ya never know

[proud mantle]

i might get it for the offchance of exchanging gear between characters

[warped perch]

It works fine on damnation but I know the blessings can be better

[proud mantle]

how does bleed work overall anyway, in terms of max stacks and dmg

bleed doesnt seem that strong

[digital narwhal]

Bleed is quite strong.

[wheat quartz]

hidden utility: lacerate applies bleeds to bulwark even if you hit his shield, and it doesn't take many stacks to force a stagger

lacerate knife can reliably and reasonably quickly kill bulwark from the front

[bright birch]

I used the knife to jump between hordes and headshot the mobs when I didn't have the torrent-lasgun, but now I do it for the speed boost and roughly equal to Dueling Sword

[balmy zealot]

dagger on psyker feels weird to me, getting into melee range is something I avoid, I usually just whip out the force sword special to take out rushing elites/specialists and then return to cc'ing crowds

[proud mantle]

true, i was only testing it against the crusher but against other fellas it picks up quite a bit

[rare furnace]

any good blaze sword tips

or stats

[long wharf]

yes, switch to mk v combat axe

[bright birch]

I use Dagger for melee vs mobs, "ravegun" vs elites/spec/horde as I pop around corners, and brain burst vs crushers/shield-ogryn

[rare furnace]

hahahah dammit

[cloud heron]

You play psyker with neither a staff or force sword?

[rare furnace]

i used both

but i got a way better gun

from emperor still leveling

26 lvl

[proud mantle]

fair enough, im also just hoping we can exchange items between characters but that's probably a pipe dream

[rare furnace]

guys i main preacer but i got all items and curios with mobility and stamina on psyker and speed is really fast poping heads and sliding

[balmy zealot]

if they make things exchangeable between characters, people will just farm stuff on their mains and you'll prob see less diversity in match making imo

[cloud heron]

I dont think theres really too much to it. Special attack is really good at killing elites. You can basically stunlock any one guy until hes dead. Kinetic deflection is also a really good feat for melee on psyker. You can block huge amounts of damage at a time

[bright birch]

Yes, sometimes. I got a brain burst build that is Trauma + Dueling Sword, then a Soul Blaze build that is obviously Purga + Knife

[cloud heron]

Honestly not too fussed by the sub 30 experience. Its not like they can't get matched with 30s anyway

[rigid blade]

Managed to make this, not the best but it works well enough

[warped perch]

Looks good

[forest coral]

how does the knife bleed work, is it from the heavy attack only or does it also apply from light attacks?

[rare furnace]

crits are bleeds

on psyker idk

[cloud heron]

Depends on blessings

[cyan notch]

knife cant bleed by default you need blessings or feats

[rare furnace]

ok combat axe mk v oneshots all basic mobs on difficult 3 and without good stats also was kinda slow on nomral aattacks but block and attack has the best cleave and speed ive seen

damn

[rare furnace]

was good

[forest coral]

oh, thats lame. still a decent melee option tho

[rare furnace]

ah wait in cases of blessings i think specials do the bleed like in chainsword

[stray pond]

Finally got this stupid penance, force sword infinite dodges is nice

[lyric atlas]

is pskyer just bad or do i suck?

full cahrged spells do like jack dmg, compared to my zealots flamer

and my flamers never blown me up

and i dont have to stand around hoping i dont get hit charging up

[wheat quartz]

zealot flamer is stronger than purgatus due to purgatus not needing ammo
purgatus doesn't need ammo, use it wastefully because you can
charge up in cover

[lyric atlas]

if i just suck feel free to provide any tips lol =0

[stray pond]

I'd say it's not fair to compare Psyker to Zealot but it's not really fair to compare Psyker to any of the other classes either. Psyker has its niche but it's not as strong as the other classes. It's still good but just... Y'know, not quite as easy.

[lyric atlas]

dont have purg yet, but have the palp and bolt staff and like

the bolt one full charge does like nothing

[stray pond]

Levelling Psyker sucks ass though

[lyric atlas]

ah im only lvl1 1

amybe i dont have core talents?

[vocal grotto]

Psyker doesn't even really work until lvl 30... you have a ways to go.

[stray pond]

Psyker is very dependent on their feats/perks

[wheat quartz]

Bolt staff? Voidstrike? Voidstrike is an infinite punch-through railgun, fire it at head height through hordes in narrow corridors for maximum fun

[lyric atlas]

voidtrile

ah

ok im seeing it better now

[frigid burrow]

For force swords with deflector do any of the stats of the sword like warp resistance affect how much peril is generated by blocking or is it like a fixed stat

[wheat quartz]

Also you can rapid fire weak void bolts by animation cancelling it with the manual quell action

Minimum charge, shoot, tap quell, repeat is noticeably (50% at least) faster than minimum charge, shoot, repeat

[stray pond]

Warp resistance on the FS only applies to the special attack

Warp Resistance is the dump stat on the FS for a reason

[neat summit]

Auto pistol and the recon lasgun essentially let you insta cast BB every 15s at range. I haven’t brought it into heresy+ yet but it did work on malice high intensity. I’m not sure it’s a great substitute for a force staff but it certainly was fun.

[cloud heron]

A free BB every 15 seconds isnt really worth that much by itself imo

[lyric atlas]

so psyker is like super item/talent dependant?

cause my xzsealot just fcacerolls stuff lol

[long wharf]

there is no psyker build that consists of just feats

it's all gear dependent

[neat summit]

^^

[gaunt stone]

question do the melee perks effect ranged weapons too? I know the blessings can if you swap while they are active

[neat summit]

It’s not about it being free. It’s about the near instant cast due to the fire rate.

[lyric atlas]

i never felt my zealot was this dpeenand on fears hah

[long wharf]

except so what?

[lyric atlas]

feats

[cloud heron]

Every 15 seconds though. With recon you at least have infernus

[long wharf]

BB only feels strong malice-

you'll see, go into heresy and see for yourself

[wheat quartz]

Wouldn't you get the same rate of flayer procs/charge gains spraying purgatus around given the much larger area and higher hit count?

[clear heath]

900 extra damage every 15 seconds isn't anything to write home about

[cloud heron]

With purge you have AB for charges. I dont think flayer combos well with purge

[vocal grotto]

Yea... just use a staff

[long wharf]

it's good to have fun

but if you go into heresy+ with a gun on a psyker, you're just denying the team a veteran slot

[neat summit]

That’s literally what I said. That it was fun.

[lyric atlas]

keeping 4 stakcs up is a PITA

[cloud heron]

Yeah sorry I wasnt trying to be critical

[neat summit]

It’s all good.

[wheat quartz]

I've tried purgatus with 6 charges and flayer, and I found flayer to be nice in that it doesn't feel like communion and AB give enough charges to reliably AB with 6 stacks every 30 seconds, but with flayer I can definitely AB with 4 stacks every 30 seconds (on heresy, I haven't played enough psyker to be comfy on damnation yet, only on zealot)

[lyric atlas]

whats the best talents while leveling up?

i feel like quietuyde is so good

[clear heath]

quietude is good yes

[lyric atlas]

it gives u toughness when u need it, when u cant use ur powers cause peril lol

is palp staff mostly for stunning or does it actually do gdmg?

[vocal grotto]

Have you tried feats 121133?

[lyric atlas]

whats the perk that makes it good?

[cloud heron]

I dont think the point of AB is to use it as often as possible. I think you'd get more out of it by using it at 6 charges in more important moments

[vocal grotto]

Mostly CC but does incredible Scab Rager damage which is nice..

[long wharf]

this

[wheat quartz]

Haven't tried that.
For purgatus I run 121132
For surge I run 322133

[cloud heron]

But I prefer overload to either when I'm using purge.

[vocal grotto]

Im sorry... I meant 121122. ending in 33 is my surge.

[lyric atlas]

is the fencing sword not good then?

[wheat quartz]

It's great

Because

It's a non force weapon

So you get really, really fast passive quell with it out

[cloud heron]

Force weapons are so much cooler than non force weapons

[teal kite]

how be dis

[cloud heron]

Missing a point of stamina for when they eventually fix that

[wheat quartz]

I tried kinetic overload only in malice, so I don't think it was a good test, I need to test it on h+

Not enough density for it to be good in malice I think

[lyric atlas]

which dueling sword is best? 2 3 4?

[vocal grotto]

You're probably right. Huge jump in specials/elites in Heresy+

[wheat quartz]

5 has the longest dodge range

[floral solstice]

Noice, I'm running the same setup

[wheat quartz]

I'd have a void setup but like my zealot cannot get eviscerators, my psyker cannot get voidstrikes :(

[vocal grotto]

Essence Harvest is incredibly tanky.

[scarlet bear]

well thebn

then

just got this gift

[lyric atlas]

how does flurry work on the palp staff? -4% charge rate after your second fire?

[orchid venture]

shame about the radius

[scarlet bear]

i lowers your next cast

yeah the radius is not great

[wheat quartz]

but only if it doesn't fall off before the cast finishes channeling

I think surge is fast enough that it doesn't?

[lyric atlas]

gotcha, but doesnt that like kill you withm peril? i feel like chaining staff attacks isnt very good lol

[floral solstice]

ah yes run n gun, the quintessential staff blessing, hadron loves putting that garbage on my staves as 2nd bless

[orchid venture]

honstly, i wouldn't use it specifically because of the radius. it needs to be high to be useful

[wheat quartz]

so with the surge, pair it with something good at murdering things like an Antax Combat Axe Mark 5

[lyric atlas]

ah

[scarlet bear]

fair enough

[wheat quartz]

spam it up, then switch, kill stuff, and passive quell/gain toughness

[floral solstice]

^

[lyric atlas]

what about Void Inspiral?

[wheat quartz]

same trick

[floral solstice]

i personally use claw sword with surge, works well for hordes and singles too

[lyric atlas]

ah

[wheat quartz]

except void can roll a "for every headshot autoquell ~4 peril" blessing

if you roll that you can shoot forever

[lyric atlas]

man i never knew how good secondareies were, on my zealot i just kinda bash shit and never notice the blessings

[vocal grotto]

Chaining palp staff is its main use.

[wheat quartz]

yeah don't charge it up

fire min-strength lightning

chop stuff you stunned

[scarlet bear]

the shop had this one

that it resistence is eh

[wheat quartz]

The one time I used trauma was with a bad one at level 12, and I've never bought one ever since lol

[lyric atlas]

ah i feel like im just getting to high peril, should i take the peril resistance at feat 2?

[vocal grotto]

I don't think Trauma is viable in Heresy+...

[lyric atlas]

trauama is like the awful fire ring staff in vewrmtide

its so bad

[wheat quartz]

I pugged with a guy in high intensity heresy who had one

[vocal grotto]

Might just be my opinion but I also rarely ever see it.

[wheat quartz]

It was functional, but I think he had a god roll

[scarlet bear]

i mean dave here did well wkith it

[floral solstice]

that or the crap wrack and ruin are your choices on lvl10 feat, wrath doesn't affect surge lightning afaik

[wheat quartz]

yeah take the peril resist

remember being at high peril is perfectly ok, just switch to your axe/sword/etc and kill heretics

[scarlet bear]

like i d love for trama to be effective

[orchid venture]

I need... Malleus Monstronum still. last one I need before i do 100 runs.

[scarlet bear]

you 2 casts and your already quelling

[wheat quartz]

yeah for that kinda peril, you'd expect the casts to have really high impact, right

but it felt like 50% peril on a trauma has the impact of one purgatus primary fire

[lyric atlas]

quiettude and inner tranq my best bet whiel im sub 15?

[wheat quartz]

I'm probably being unfair because I've never used a good one

yep that sounds good

[long wharf]

there are no good trauma staves

[left basin]

do i do da buy

[scarlet bear]

once i find a good one

i ll tell you

but so far i havent

XD

sadly the ones i found lack aoe or resistence

so i just use my surge staff that looks like trauma

because apprantly the game thinks all staves are the same item

and all cosmetics for staffs are connected

also did we always have a sell option

in our weapons list

[long wharf]

it's called developer laziness

[balmy zealot]

worth getting?

[silk flax]

YA

[long wharf]

so close, but that quell speed is pretty bad

[silk flax]

I would still get it

[long wharf]

it's livable, but quell speed isn't a dumpstat for surge

[cloud heron]

I didn't play the beta but it was there at launch at least

[lyric atlas]

is it important to get full charge on the purgatis?

[floral solstice]

nah

[lyric atlas]

just minimal charge is fine?

[cloud heron]

It controls how long you can shoot it for

So there's a balance based on the situation

[floral solstice]

even spamming lmb for stagger is good

[magic hull]

pain

[teal kite]

full charge for surge increases its damage, for purge its just time

[cloud heron]

But you can usually chain it easy enough

[wheat quartz]

dodge back (with a dueling sword dodgesliding will send you across the room)
fast charge swipe the heretics to get them into flame-stagger animation
longer charge, burn them all for the Emperor

[lyric atlas]

oh id dint know it didnt do more time

err sdmg

just longer shock time?

[wheat quartz]

no

that's why people fast cast it

shock is the same, fast cast or long cast

[lyric atlas]

ah

[floral solstice]

longer charge on surge only increases damage, you can kill regular scabs on damnation quick with a full charge

otherwise just fast cast to keep elites locked

[teal kite]

If you go to that training area and use full charge vs short charge you'll see it does more damage.

[wheat quartz]

also surge has high crit

it can kill surprising things

it's weak on unarmoured/infested, and hits hard on flak, unyielding, carapace and maniac

thus combining it with something that deletes horde is great

[stray fractal]

probably been asked 1000 times but can the psyker complete the kill 1000 ranged with a staff?

just started playing it and got the contract

[wheat quartz]

you get credit if your teammates kill them too

don't worry about it

[cloud heron]

A psyker can complete 1000 ranged kills by suiciding at the start of the game and letting your veteran do it

But yeah staff kills count as ranged

[stray fractal]

thanks

[lethal lagoon]

Lmao, those are team based

[teal kite]

ranged kills isn't too hard, melee kills can be annoying tho

[cloud heron]

Yeah its way easier to just find 25 scriptures

You take those 1000 melee kills and be grateful for them

[long wharf]

I'm afraid to reroll 25 missions, so I'm just going to do it

[fierce sinew]

are they aware of the reroll being broken?

it has been several weeks

[cyan notch]

yea

[balmy zealot]

[teal kite]

When I get melee kills for zealot, I just go into a trance and lose myself in the carnage like Kharn the Betrayer

[long wharf]

it's not broken

[teal kite]

It sure dont work after like the 3 roll, it gives the amount but thne never rerolls or takes the money

[fierce sinew]

I'm frequently shown a prompt to reroll for 7500, when I click it nothing happens

[teal kite]

25 missions you do by doing T2

[fierce sinew]

this is intended behavior?

[teal kite]

Yus

Cant be intended, if it is why even show the amount needed

[cloud heron]

I would rather just not play the game than play t2

[long wharf]

the limit on rerolling is intended

the bug is that it shows you a cost for continuing to reroll

[fierce sinew]

so the broken bit is the misleading ui

[long wharf]

typical Darktide UI slopiness

yep

[teal kite]

so its still broken