psyker-class

[digital narwhal]

Ya know the canon Psyker ability called Smite?

Shoot a bolt of lightning at people

That

Hitscan, long range

no stun, high damage maybe

[cyan notch]

lol

hitscan long range high damage

[atomic dagger]

is there like a timeline when we get a next update for darktide?

[digital narwhal]

High Peril per cast

Remember, we have Peril

[cyan notch]

thanks for the reminder but i didnt forget

[digital narwhal]

It should theoretically allow Fatshark to be a bit more lenient with what they give Psykers and gate it on Peril, but they just

don't do that

[atomic dagger]

what does hitscan mean

[digital narwhal]

Not a projectile

when you click

it hits

instantly

[atomic dagger]

brain burst then?

[digital narwhal]

like all the guns

[cyan notch]

primary action using more peril than secondary action isnt in line with the other staffs

[cloud heron]

an infinite ammo bolter would just be too good

[boreal cave]

think Call of duty and projective think battlefield

[digital narwhal]

Brainburst isn't hitscan because it's not a weapon

Brainburst is a lock on too

[atomic dagger]

why is it not a weapon

[digital narwhal]

Because it's an ability

[lucid terrace]

2handed force sword, just do it Large Shark.

[cloud heron]

oh my god please

[boreal cave]

FORCE HAMMER

[cloud heron]

I need a two handed sword

[atomic dagger]

3handed force sword
wait what

[digital narwhal]

Mildly Obese Selachimorpha

[lucid terrace]

Force sword sucks just give me a 2handed version with a lot of cleave please just do it

Please for god's sake.

[atomic dagger]

godd's sake

[lucid terrace]

CORRECT

[boreal cave]

can we just get sienna

but blue purple

[digital narwhal]

I just want the Staffs to be unique

not just

Force Bolt + Different Secondary Fire + Staff Strike Unique Action!!!1!11!!1!

[boreal cave]

but our 30 damage poke

[atomic dagger]

for my taste the available staffs are unique enough
more staffs are always welcome
BUUUUT i seriously think Fatshark has bigger problems right now to work on

[digital narwhal]

Really makes you question what a "Unique Action" is.

[boreal cave]

xD

[lucid terrace]

Give trauma staff a shield ability.

Replace ogryn.

[digital narwhal]

It's still upsetting that even the Staffs lack the variety that V2 had on launch.

[cyan notch]

technically its special action

[digital narwhal]

Let alone 1 "Career" per Class.

[boreal cave]

yea DT is lazy and half baked game so far just very pretty

[clear heath]

as funny as it is, I wish the staff bonk was actually something useful instead

[digital narwhal]

Maybe if the Staff Bonks did some sort of Warp fuckery

[cloud heron]

I don't think i've ever thought to use staff bonk in a real game

[boreal cave]

because it gets u killed

xD

[lucid terrace]

It's funny though.

[digital narwhal]

Genuinely had someone tell me that "It's there for if you run out of ammo"

[clear heath]

they should make it a penance
deal 90% of the damage to a monstrosity with only staff special attacks

[digital narwhal]

I'd take that over Going Out With A Bang

[lucid terrace]

Maybe for surge, have it be like a quick one target shock.

[boreal cave]

https://tenor.com/view/sweating-nervous-wreck-gif-24688521

[cloud heron]

It physically pains me when people try to explain why this is a good penance

[digital narwhal]

Every Penance in the game is rancid

[cloud heron]

it's like 50/50

[clear heath]

i got going out with a bang by accident

[digital narwhal]

Also-
If they introduced a new staff in the future, what should it be?

[atomic dagger]

i love it when my team mate ogryns shoot grenades on single pox walkers
i love it when my team mate psyker go into melee with BB

[cloud heron]

Beam

[long wharf]

yeah, going out with a bang was much easier that pick n mix

[atomic dagger]

sometimes i just want to play with bots and actrually get the grimoures out instead of these muppets

[manic needle]

Warp Battery is fine. Malleus Monstronum isn't too bad either, in spite of how it looks at first.

[cloud heron]

At least pick n mix has you positive contributing to the team

even if suboptimally

[manic needle]

Pick 'n' Mix is kind of shitty because it can be very luck based, but you're at least still helping your team. Going Out With A Bang is just dumb.

[frigid burrow]

For the 'focused channelling' blessing does it mean I can't get interrupted while charging for example purgatus or is it only while shooting the fire?

[cyan notch]

wtf how is pick and mix contributing suboptimally

[cloud heron]

If you're running around with your hands out trying to BB every elite you see you're not doing as much as you could

but you arent actively hurting the team

[clear heath]

I still don't have the penance

[cyan notch]

oh ok i thought u meant the action of actually hitting 5 elites being suboptimal

[cloud heron]

if you're suiciding into every big horde trying to get going out with a bang you could be throwing the game away

[manic needle]

Staff spam isnt always the iptimal way to help your team. EVen htough I already have Pick 'n' Mix there are a few times after achieving it where I would have earned it naturally through normal gameplay

Most notably in situations where a lot of gunners and bombers spawn in

[cloud heron]

I got pick n mix legitimately twice (gamepass and then steam) without trying. I had to get a team together to help me with going out with a bang

[digital narwhal]

Also, if we ever get the "Psyker Protectorate", I hope we get a different Blitz skill for them.

[manic needle]

I outright wouldnt even attempt it unless everyone is on board, it's one of the harder "sandbag your team" penances, maybe the hardest one

By which I mean it has the most negative effect on gameplay (intentionally downing yourself, possibly over and over again)

[digital narwhal]

What kinda abilities do you reckon would fit into the Blitz skill section for a new Psyker Career?

[cyan notch]

idk man gotta see the actual subclass first

[clear heath]

Do you guys think every class will have a different blitz skill? I can't imagine there being enough grenade types they could think of for the other classes

[manic needle]

Doombolt 🙃

[digital narwhal]

Doombolt?

Remind me.

[manic needle]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Chaos_Psychic_Powers

On a serious note, Chaos Psyker enemies when?

[digital narwhal]

I mean, Radical Inquisitors utilise Daemon Possessed iirc

So

If Grendyl is a Radical then...

[manic needle]

Radicals literally have made their acolytes into Daemonhosts lol

[digital narwhal]

I’d love a more Warp influenced Psyker, yeah

I wanna lean into being a spooky poltergeist space witch

[clear heath]

idk any warhammer lore
are the boss fights from assassination missions psykers? Been wondering cause i thought maybe the shield was a psyker ability

[manic needle]

No it's a personal shielding unit called a void shield

[cyan notch]

i thought theyre just some dudes with guns

[manic needle]

which is why it acts similarly to our Toughness mechanic (takes more damage from melee)

[digital narwhal]

No that’s just some expensive equipment

[clear heath]

oh

[digital narwhal]

So Doombolts are literally just beams of Chaos aligned Warp energy?

[manic needle]

Yeah basically

[digital narwhal]

Sick

Would be cool for a Daemon Possessed Psyker

All the Psyker have quelling voice lines that hints at gradual corruption

Like the “Buzzing... Buzzing... Buzzing...” that the Daemonhosts also say

So a Daemon Possessed wouldn’t be too far out in the realms of possibility

Just need to confirm on if Grendyl is a Radical or Puritan

[cloud heron]

i assume he's radical because that's more gameplay opportunity

but i base that on nothing

[manic needle]

I feel like at some point the issue also becomes what fits and doesnt fit with the rest of the party. Not sure many would be willing to work alongside a chaos sorcerer lol

[digital narwhal]

Considering our Psykers aren’t immediately shipped off on Black Ships for some of the things they say-

I’d be inclined to say he’s Radical as well.

[manic needle]

And if they were forced to by the inquisition then the sorc in question would go the way of the Commissar on Catachan

[atomic dagger]

grendyl is def no puritan otherwise we wouldnt collect grimoires and scriptures from the heretics

[digital narwhal]

Fair

Actually, we recover our own lost Scriptures

But the Grimoires

Yes

Fair

[scarlet bear]

theres a voice line that my seer had pertaining to this

[manic needle]

The scriptures at least seem to be the work of the Ecclesiarchy, not a cult of Nurgle

[digital narwhal]

What was it?

[scarlet bear]

you talk about demons and your team mate says you you can become pocessed ?

like their afraid of you

[digital narwhal]

I mean, they already openly disdain the Psyker as being a Witch, unclean or soulless.

[atomic dagger]

but scriptures touched by a cult of nurgle
not sure how puritans would do things

[digital narwhal]

I’d say it’s just a matter of some new voice lines

And voila

[manic needle]

If he is an inquisitor with puritan inclinations then he could be collecting the grimoires to destroy safely. I wouldnt trust a group of convicts with that sort of thing, either

But who knows, really

[scarlet bear]

the warhammer lore talks as psychers as walking a thin line

between hersey and faith

[atomic dagger]

at this point in the battle for tertium they would just happily throw everyone and everything remotely aligned to the empirium into the frey

[digital narwhal]

Being a Psyker is like being plugged into Twitter 24/7 and hearing every single Tweet made the moment it’s Tweeted

and somehow still keeping it together

[scarlet bear]

with this being said psychers are part of every chapter of space merines

at least one or more merines had powers of sorts

...

[atomic dagger]

let them hate psykers as much as you want but without them the chad marines couldnt even navigate space

sips tea

[digital narwhal]

Psykers: Are blessed with an immense power that many use to benefit Humanity and contain a tiny fragment of the Emperor’s Soul.

Zealots: “WITCH!”

[manic needle]

Weak psykers and extremely powerful psykers are most in-danger of chaos corruption, alongside any with weak wills

[scarlet bear]

emperor is said to be a strong psychic mind

not sure if he delve into the warp

[cyan notch]

aint the emperor bossman a psyker why dont they hate him

[manic needle]

Also Space Marines, as humans genetically augmented by the gene-seed of their primarchs, the sons of the emperor, have unique resistance to the negative effects of the warp, IIRC

but dont quote me on that

[digital narwhal]

Favouritism

[scarlet bear]

this sound correct

many beleived them to be incurruptable

but this has found some lie in that

[manic needle]

EVery Chaos Space Marine Sorcerer ever: lol

[scarlet bear]

with hores hersery

[manic needle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Scz2hSpJ3Yk

[digital narwhal]

Like, that’s genuinely the answer.
40k is filled with intolerance and unfairness, so people not calling out the Emperor for being an insanely power Psyker is literally just

favouritism.

[manic needle]

Mostly, but some people also have an unfair advantage, which is also in the spirit of 40k

[atomic dagger]

i asked the lore heads on this dc a similar question
they told me the emperor is pretty much a dead husk in real space but a god like entity in the warp who could technically go toe to toe with a chaos god like slaneesh if needed

[scarlet bear]

i heard rumors that even his image is some what effected by his psyhic powers

making people see what they need to see

only a few people in the elites of the ilitruiam can even see fragments of his true form

i watched a video on this recently

XD

[atomic dagger]

what is fair? what is intolerance? when you consider what is going on in the 40k universe
even sacrificing some hundredthousand psykers daily on terra to "fuel" the golden throne is a small thing for a galaxy spanning empire when you consider what is at stake

[cyan notch]

these people are a tad religious huh

[steel egret]

Well its grim dark.

[scarlet bear]

is that hersey i hear?

😛

[atomic dagger]

blanks (people with no connection to the warp) also can see him as he is

[manic needle]

Thanks, Lorgar

[scarlet bear]

correct

problem is he has such a power it hard to say his true lvl

[manic needle]

I just love how in 40k both of Humanity's warring religions (Ecclisiarchy, Chaos cults) can be traced back to the same person as the founding father

[atomic dagger]

this could also just be an explanation that the emperor is described differently from different authors in wh40k books

[scarlet bear]

yeah i heard this being used as the reason

[atomic dagger]

what? who

[manic needle]

Lorgar Aurellian

[scarlet bear]

you ever see war hammer fantasy

you ll know alot of that religous stuff stems there

XD

[manic needle]

Primarch of the Word Bearers traitor legion

[cyan notch]

yea they worship a dude called sugma or something

[scarlet bear]

sigma yes

or what ever

Xd

i was a fan of bretonia

https://tenor.com/view/the-green-knight-warhammer-total-war-bretonnia-total-war-warhammer-warhammer-fantasy-gif-17365727

the worship a God called the lady

[atomic dagger]

[scarlet bear]

as for the choas

they exist there too....

[digital narwhal]

Also, I know this isn’t in line with the current conversation, but I hope Fatshark’s statement of “One subclass/career every 3 months” is for all the Classes, and not just one subclass/career.

It’d be fine if we had multiple of them already, but we don’t.

I sure don’t like being drip fed content for a game that’s already starved for it.

[cyan notch]

psyker gets subclass last

[digital narwhal]

:(

[scarlet bear]

anyway https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0d32_U6-Fo

i love the class voice lines

XD

[atomic dagger]

naive me looking for a youtube lore video about him:
results in 1 h lore video ooof
emperor provides

[manic needle]

As is tradition

Wont happen until the release of Darktide 2

[scarlet bear]

this was the video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZLBkOuIXAs

i was talking about

also this guy make alot of warhammer stuff

XD

[atomic dagger]

for the love of the emperor, dont push fatshark to throw out unfinished content
they shall take their time to deliver

[scarlet bear]

i agree

take their time

no one like unbaked poatato

[cyan notch]

well they couldnt even finish crafting in 1.5 months and counting so taking their time is definitely their strong suit

[digital narwhal]

I’m not saying throw out unfinished content, I’m just hoping that the content they do have is more than just drip feeding

[scarlet bear]

lets be happy we are not orc psychers XD

[digital narwhal]

Weird Boyz

[atomic dagger]

i dont want to complain about the crafting

BUT they could increase the material drop rate/reduce crafting costs for my taste

[scarlet bear]

i mean dif 4-5

get 100 of each easily

it just beating it

XD

[manic needle]

"Lorgar led his [Space Marine] Legion throughout the Great Crusade, the Word Bearers seeking to eliminate all blasphemy and heresy within the new Imperium. Ancient texts and icons were burned. The construction of vast monuments and cathedrals venerating the Emperor was supervised. The greatest Chaplains of the Word Bearers produced enormous works on the divinity and righteousness of the Emperor, and gave grand speeches and sermons to the masses. The progress of the Word Bearers was slow, but domination of the defeated was complete. At some point during this period, Lorgar penned the Lectitio Divinitatus, postulating the worship of the Emperor as a divine being. This book would later become instrumental in the founding of the Imperial Cult"

From: https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Lorgar_Aurelian

[cyan notch]

100 is really nothing

[digital narwhal]

Tfw I’m mechanically ready for both 4 and 5, but the shop isn’t giving me the gear for it

:)

[atomic dagger]

no no iwatch video
grinding materials is boring as is

[scarlet bear]

it better than 50

XD

[manic needle]

Ahh cool, fair enough

[cyan notch]

takes 1200 plasteel to upgrade from blue to orange

for one item

think about how many runs/hours that is

[scarlet bear]

yup i just did it ...

[atomic dagger]

AND this
the randomness is just unfair
far worse than the level grind is the shop grind

[scarlet bear]

its a pain

wish we could reroll perks

[atomic dagger]

especialyl for psykers
staffs are a rarity

[digital narwhal]

The game is sucking my soul out because of RNG

I’m mechanically ready for 4 and 5 even on an underwhelming class, but the game refuses to give me gear I can use

[atomic dagger]

find a premade group here on dc
should be fine

[scarlet bear]

if you guys need some cheering up

here

https://youtu.be/Cg5ST5vn4Ug

[digital narwhal]

I’m very often not in the mood to chat with anyone, and just wanna hop into a game

[atomic dagger]

well thats on you

but tbh lvl4 and lvl5 are not really worth it in my opinion

but def more fun!

[scarlet bear]

i mean yes and no

resources are more in higher lvls

but it not really easy to beat

and i dont think i had bad gear just hard to manage everyone from falling

that and the bad luck of the game summoning in 4 snipers at the same time

always fun

XD

[atomic dagger]

nah i dont agree
on average perhaps yes, but you also need to be more careful when scanning/looting the map
additionally the standard deviation of the drops is just silly

lvl2 missions can also give you 100+ plasteel and are much faster done

[atomic dagger]

ye,,, we had 3 pox walkers jumped right into our elevator when the doors opened
good times

[cyan notch]

this was posted around

[scarlet bear]

yeah diamatium is the hardest to get

[atomic dagger]

i drown in diamantine

[scarlet bear]

i do not

XD

been upgrading alot of staffs

[manic needle]

This but plasteel

Wouldnt be true if plasteel costs werent so much friggin' higher than diamantine

[cyan notch]

upgrading is a scam

daylight robbery

[manic needle]

You're paying to listen to Hadron troll you repeatedly

[scarlet bear]

ehi find a good low rarity staff with nice stats

[atomic dagger]

ye
if the chart is true then its not worth to go IV and V. you get tons of diam but lack the plas to do anything with it

[scarlet bear]

i upgrade it

XD

[atomic dagger]

worth it
tech mommy ❤️

[manic needle]

I still wouldnt play on lower difficulties just because theyre boring

Id rather organically earn my materials through gameplay than grind for them in a 20 minute faceroll

[atomic dagger]

thats why i listen to lore videos while playing

[scarlet bear]

i ran a lvl 1 dif and it felt like i could solo it

XD

[atomic dagger]

on top of the material grind you also need to pray to the omnissiah to grand you some good stuff (or at least stuff you can gamble craft) from the shop

and then you need to pray again to get good perks/blessings

why do i torture myself again with this game?
hmmmmmm

[scarlet bear]

we gotta pray harder

[atomic dagger]

where is my incense

ANNND since the inventory is not account shared you need to do it all over again for other classes

[cyan notch]

also i dont like going out of my way opening so many boxes on lower difficulties just for them to be empty

[long wharf]

FartShart made the conscious decision to make the game as tedious as possible, outside of the actual in-mission gameplay

[long wharf]

I don't think there should be empty boxes

either put stuff in the box, or remove the box

[fierce sinew]

anecdotally I find 4s with the low intensity modifier to be the best compromise

between resource farm efficiency and still fun game

[atomic dagger]

nnaaah bruv
its all for the immersion into the 40k universe

be as miserable and achieve as little as possible with the most amount of work

[atomic dagger]

AAAAAAAAAND you also need to pray that such missions open up

[fierce sinew]

I like 4 or 5 depending on which of my friends are on, but if I'm impatient to roll something I just dropped that's what I spam

[atomic dagger]

we have RNG missions with RNG drops and RNG shop with RNG crafting

wait what

[manic needle]

Honestly Low-Intensity is still kinda unfun to me, generally

[fierce sinew]

it's definitely worse

that's why it's a compromise :^)

[cyan notch]

i love it less bozos to bother you when you hunt for plentiful mats

[lapis bay]

best mat and penance farm

[fierce sinew]

it really does turn the map into a scavenger hunt

maybe that can be a mission type they add

find n plasteel

extract

[cyan notch]

havent beaten this since

[fierce sinew]

or an "extra plasteel" modifier instead of extra dogs 24/7

[atomic dagger]

no please no
i am so tired to be the only one who cares about looking for materials/secondary objectives

FS should just add some baseline materials you get when ending the mission successfully

[cyan notch]

nah its for immersion

[manic needle]

They should just add more rewards for doing different things, like Monstrosity kills. Honestly not having any tangible rewards for killing monstrosities really sucks

[cyan notch]

you gotta spend hours opening boxes

[manic needle]

Bring back loot dice :/

[fierce sinew]

I would love a lump sum of plasteel that goes up as a mission completion reward

per difficulty

[atomic dagger]

but you get ordo dockets
dont you like your ordo dockets?

sitting on 750k of them
such a useless resource

[manic needle]

Only 750k? Pfft

I have millions of them at this point lol

[cyan notch]

i have so many weapons that i could break down into dockets too

[atomic dagger]

screenshot or didnt happen

[manic needle]

Gonna save up and buy my own Capital Ship, screw the MOurningstar

[cyan notch]

apparently the docket cap is 5mil

[fierce sinew]

I'm not a millionaire at the moment but I buy everything with a blessing I care even remotely about

[atomic dagger]

ya as you should
as far as i understood it in the future you will be able to extract blessings and level them up to other items

[manic needle]

Ill see if I can find one that I already took, dont feel like logging in just for Ordo Dockets lol

[atomic dagger]

nah, its fine

guys
know what would be fun?
if you could only extract blessings with a certain success rate
then level them up at a certain success rate
finally imprinting them on your item should also have a success rate

I think the lower these rates, the higher the player base fun 😄

thats how i picture a FT staff meeting ^^

[cyan notch]

FatThark

[long wharf]

for the love of god don't give them ideas

next thing you know, they'll just make missions an RNG roll based on your item level

cut out all that pesky gameplay entirely

[heavy zealot]

what’s the dmg of the special attack on the force sword? anyone know? I know it technically hits more than once and has a diff animation for overhead heavy vs the light-stab but do those have any difference in damage

[cyan notch]

yes special heavy does more than special light

you can check damage in meatgrinder

[maiden wolf]

It would be rad if there were a force melee specialized for crowd damage rather than single target damage

I've been working on a concept (Cringe, I know) for a force glaive.

[scarlet bear]

you mean like the str augment spell

[maiden wolf]

Light melee is a jab, with some knockback. Heavy is a side to side sweep. Special charges the weapon for a meager peril cost, the weapon will remain charged until the psyker holsters, or activates the special again. While charged, all attacks build peril, but get additional impact, and penetrate enemies, allowing light attacks to pierce crowds and heavies to cleave additional enemies.

[scarlet bear]

that allowed psycher to rip armor off with their bare hands

[maiden wolf]

That would be sock as hell as well. I hope FS lets us do that

[scarlet bear]

lol

[maiden wolf]

*sick

[maiden wolf]

I'm still deciding how block should work

[earnest peak]

please accompany me to this top of this skyscraper under development, there is something i want to show you

[scarlet bear]

Hammerhand The psyker uses his mental powers to increase his strength, allowing him to tear apart adamantine plates with his bare hands.

this is the spell in the lexacon

its a spell used by the group named

Ordo Malleus

[lapis bay]

Biomancer

[scarlet bear]

correct i think

you can solo do this

Psychic Lash A directed bolt of Warp energy, ignoring armor to rip open the enemy's organs

also*

idk if that be a staff or something

but the spell sounds cool

these are common abilities of the guard psychers

i would love to have that one to make a gun blow up or something

XD

also ew

[manic needle]

Technically we would belong to the Ordo Hereticus, but the devs already turned Purgatus into a flame staff instead of a"mentally crush them under the weight of their own sins" telepathic ability.

So I guess theyll do whatever they want really

[scarlet bear]

true

[shadow onyx]

some psys here finished "going out with a bang" penance ? i think comms plex first event could be a nice way but i dont know

[scarlet bear]

i dont think any of it is written in stone

all i am saying is

their alot of cool abilities they could play with

like this

Psychic Ward Creates wards around the Psyker or nearby units to protect them against psychic attack.

though idk what kind of damage in game it could protect you from XD

....

[warped perch]

<@&735928989146939404> disgusting post here

[scarlet bear]

i was going to say something

just didnt know how

XD

how are you stan

other than our eyes being assulted by heresy

[warped perch]

I'm pretty gucci just chillin and occasionally checking the web extension to see if anything good shows up in the shop lol

Hbu

[scarlet bear]

just won on league so pretty happy

XD

finished what i needed on dark tide earler XD

[warped perch]

[scarlet bear]

anyone else feel marrows is the only mission giver that treats us like soldiers

other talk to us like we are children

Xd

[cyan notch]

the pilot is the worst

no personality useless dialogue

[scarlet bear]

when did you become a master of the magic box !

[cyan notch]

why the hell is a pilot even overseeing a mission just shut up and fly the damn plane

[long wharf]

the pilot is just WH40K's BMO

[scarlet bear]

i like this ability from the blood angels

The Sanguine Sword Infused with a sliver of his inner rage, the Librarian's Force Weapon becomes more deadly as it takes on a crimson hue.

that make a great force sword

but it seems to be a spell used by one person

as far as i can tell

shrug

pilot is basically just there for moral support

XD

the tech priest is the worse

making fun of you the whole time

like your a moron

its like what are you doing

The best that i can !

[shadow onyx]

blood angels are cools

[scarlet bear]

i personally love the salamanders

but thats my own personal beleif

[upper galleon]

people who hate salamanders almost always turn out to be weirdos who like a certain color scheme too much

[long wharf]

I don't see what's so special about them, they can regrow their tails, so what

[hallow pivot]

lol just realized my psyker has Sans eye

[sick solar]

So does this look right for the Surge dump stat order?

Meaning the preferred order you'd want higher stats from 1-5?

[cyan notch]

you dont really need charge rate since most of the time youre doing min charges

[rocky cedar]

Wouldn't you want warp resistance less than quell speed?

[long wharf]

uhhh

you do want charge rate

critical bonus isn't as important as warp res and quell speed

if anything, damage and crit bonus are the least important for surge

[cyan notch]

nah crit bonus is great

and i dont want charge rate

[deft fiber]

Just to confirm:
Quell speed > Warp res > Crit Bonus > Damage > Charge rate so nearly opposite to yours.

[stray fractal]

So i just turned level 25 and have a question, I have heard that kinetic flayer is the best one overall for that tier of feats and was wondering exactly what it does? It says all attacks have a 10% chance to brain burst target, does this mean on enemies that usuallu take more than 1 brain burst to kill instead I can get them with 1?\

Kinda drunk and stoned so bare with me

[lapis bay]

every hit has a 10% chance to pop BB

[stray fractal]

awesome thanks

was thinking it would apply to everything but didnt make sense lol

[maiden knoll]

Why, because you kill with bb from kinetic flayer?

[magic burrow]

it applies to melee as well, which is funny. Punching someone in the head with the knife special so hard their head explodes is neat.

[lapis bay]

guns too, anything with high rpm is almost guaranteed

[rocky cedar]

Worth noting it is per attack, not per enemy hit. So for instance if you're spamming surge hitting 6 enemies per stack it's still only a 10% chance per cast

Same applies for cleaving melee weapons. You aren't improving your chances by hitting more enemies per attack, faster attack rate is your friend for procs

[sick solar]

So Quell speed should be the number one spot.

[golden tartan]

For dumping ye

Cos u usually quell by swapping to melee

Safer and almost as fast

Also does not require u to take mind in motion

[amber nest]

So, since it's my last Steam achievement and I don't want to just go randomly blow myself up in pug groups all the time... Any way to do Going Out With a Bang solo?

[tired estuary]

private game with bots

[gilded cloud]

You can't do a private game solo. Needs to be pub or a private with another person

[tired estuary]

oh oops rip lol

[amber nest]

Yeah, I just defaulted to cancelling out joining a mission in progress or suiciding when someone joins

Just looking for an easy mission to get some spawn in

[tired estuary]

what a great penance

[amber nest]

Yup

I left it for last for a reason

But now I'm at 97% achievements and I just want to complete it and be done with it

[summer wind]

i really don't get that

why would you go so far as to add private games and stop at letting us solo

private games, but only when you have friends

and it also still spawns bots, i think

[amber nest]

Yeah, it does

And they near instantly kill the shotgunners

[summer wind]

absolutely hell

i gave up on those challenges

they're just not fun

in the words of reggie nintendo,

if it's not fun, why bother

[amber nest]

Because it's the last one I need

[summer wind]

yeah

[amber nest]

For 100% achievements

[summer wind]

it sucks

but the achivements do too

[worthy wedge]

What's the consensus on Cerebral Lacerations? Is it generally considered good, or a waste since whatever you burst is usually extra close to dead?

[halcyon creek]

I’m only baby psyker, but usually if it doesn’t die in one BB, it’s big and scary enough that the team is already shooting at it

So it seems like a good idea to me

But what did you have to pass up to take that one?

Also, is the damage boost enough that you don’t have to BB a second time?

[magic burrow]

what sick man sends babies out to fight heretics

[bold flint]

cerebral lacerations only seems to matter against monstrosities

[bold flint]

it doesnt increase brain burst damage if thats what youre insinuating

[halcyon creek]

I figured. But is it a good thing that someone is shooting at your (average) BB target?

Or does that mean something is wrong?

[bold flint]

if theyre an immediate threat (i.e. actively shooting at you) then theyre doing the right thing

[ashen schooner]

are you sure? what I read said BB gets the boost

[bold flint]

keep in mind that left click brainbursts are faster than right clicks by a lot

but youll lose your channel if it dies

brainburst is most effective against hard to hit targets and fleeing targets

who are generally hard to shoot

[tired estuary]

the problem is its on same tier as psychic communion which is useful on higher difficulty, esp with purg staff

[bold flint]

i find the aura a better pick

[tired estuary]

most classes already have smth to help with ult regen in one way or another if they really need it, vet can literally keep theirs up past its cooldown lol

[bold flint]

the aura is for me

[tired estuary]

I usually don't need it that much but if it works for you then

[bold flint]

i pop three targets thats 45% back thats poggers man

thats a bit more valuable to me than one charge (maybe) every 30ish kills

[tired estuary]

on higher difficulties once a horde appears it doesn't take long to max out on charges

[shadow onyx]

the table dmg on surge staff is at full charge?

[cyan notch]

it does yea

[strange wigeon]

i'm missing pick n mix, out with a bang and malleus monstrorum. Almost did malleus monstrorum naturally when the team died on hab dreyko, getting to them would be suicide by shooting squad and beast of nurgle spawned so I had to brainburst it to death, problem was one player crashed mid fight, bot spawned and it started whacking on it so it screwed me over

[lyric prism]

anyone wants to help with penances?

[still hearth]

Do Psykers have any good blessings that carry over between melee and ranged worth noting?

[mighty pike]

Anyone want to do penances?

[shrewd grove]

why do i get it on a leveling sword 💀

[mighty pike]

😐

[shadow onyx]

my life

[idle bay]

Siblings i have a really dumb idea:
Force Sword with max tier Deflector ( +12% Block Efficiency)
+1 Stamina + 20 Block Efficiency
3 Curios with +12% Block Efficiency and +3 Stamina each (SUPER RARE)
So at this point +68% Block Efficiency and 3 (base for Force Sword) +10 = 13 Max Stamina
Formula for Peril gain from "Kinetic Deflection" is Attack Stamina Damage *0.25 /Max Stamina So we already have 10 to divide it for 🙂 And 0,68 (if Block efficiency works like that) as extra multiplier.

I mean that Peril gain should be purely symbolic at that point

[still hearth]

I thought Block Efficiency is currently bugged for peril?

[cyan notch]

its not for me

[still hearth]

Though +2 and +3 Stamina curios are currently bugged.

[cyan notch]

also why +2 stam each not +3 although its not working

[idle bay]

For Kinetic Deflection on normal weapons it works just fine - allows passive blocking of DH at some breakpoint

[still hearth]

Feels overkill to run that much block

[marsh token]

Oh my build

[shadow onyx]

when you can litteraly block everything even bullets

idk

[still hearth]

Just kill them

[soft cliff]

Do I need to be a certain level to make the flame staff good? Im level 21 right now and the void strike feels infinitely more useful than diet flamer

[still hearth]

The flame gets amazing when its high burn and cloud radius

[shadow onyx]

its not zealot chan here, it is civilized

[still hearth]

Before that it feels wimpy

[shadow onyx]

[idle bay]

+3 is Super rare - i tired to be realistic 🙂

[still hearth]

Kill them with your mind. My bad

[shadow onyx]

[still hearth]

So here's the thing

[shadow onyx]

but y thats i planned to do with force sword

[still hearth]

Blocking is nice and all

[shadow onyx]

spam block efficiency

[cyan notch]

i mean u have max tier deflector with 20% block cost and 1 stam in the post

and +3 isnt really rare tbh

[still hearth]

But you really only want block when you're already being screwed over

Block in this game feels like a clutch thing rather than "look I'm tanking"

As the Ogryn shield shows

[idle bay]

300 hours and i only got 3 of +3 stamina

[shadow onyx]

wtf?

[cyan notch]

i have way more and im not even buying that many

[shadow onyx]

i get always 3 stam

like litteraly

[still hearth]

Gotta look into the shop 24/7

[idle bay]

That is realistic. Getting normaly bad +1 stamina perk is easily achived , and then re-rolling second for +20% block is like 20-30 minutes of clicking. Then T4 Deflectr is a matter of Crafting sometime this year...

[idle bay]

Almost like that , thank you! 🙂

[cyan notch]

well then +3 stam is definitely realistic too

[shadow onyx]

https://tenor.com/view/i-hate-you-anakin-star-wars-gif-10358450

[still hearth]

I see that Psykers also have a lot of trash blessings lmao

Half the power because its a 5s duration on elites? Yikes.

[cyan notch]

dont think its possible with slow passive quell

[idle bay]

It's about building Peril as slow as possible, so it will fit in cooldowns of Surge

Vets are quite often usless wankers nowdays - not killing shooters fast enough - so that build popped up in mind

Few stupid videos on youtube and we have revolvers everywhere 🙂

Oh found a nearly perfect speciment of Force Sword for experiment

Best part - base stats does not matter

[strange wigeon]

lol it always happens, still remember when MCTW posted that "incredible damage" lingering flames build for Sienna(after the nerf), you got useless Siennas on legend almost every game for at least a week

[idle bay]

Such videos should be downvoted and reported maliciously 🙂

As harmful content

There are fresh one in yoitube recommendation with knife/Revolver vet on Damnation.... kark!

[still hearth]

"This can be used in Damnation" = "This is the best build in Damnation"

[strange wigeon]

on the one hand yes on the other his videos like "Bolter is OP" turn away attention from my favorite vet weapon and lower the chances of it being nerfed because he never mentions it as viable on damnation in the revolver vid 🙂

[idle bay]

Exactly the mindset 🙂 Most of Knife Zealots can't do even Malice without drooping dead 3 times between each Medicae (they forget that there is dodging involved and positioning)

[still hearth]

Most players*

[idle bay]

Good Knife Zealot is rariry

and really cool to watch in action

[still hearth]

So is good Vets with lasguns

Somehow its always the worst Vets that use the lasgun

[strange wigeon]

bolter in my experience, rarely see someone use it appropriately

on vet

[idle bay]

It's too FUN to use appropriately honestly. So no blame from me here

[strange wigeon]

yeah, when used right you don't feel bulwarks exist as an enemy type

like with a good lasguner specials evaporate and you feel like most shooter groups have a lifespan of less than 10 seconds

[idle bay]

Meanwhile a Sword for FORCE WALL build is ready

Now for the Curios...

Don't mind the Plasteel it's a warp illusion

[cyan notch]

no

[marsh token]

i have 7 or more curios with 3+ Stamina 😅

[cyan notch]

whats wrong with plasteel

[idle bay]

I forgot that rolling t4 block on Curio is 40 min not 20-30....

Hardon is still angry at me for rolling t4 block on sword that fast

[cyan notch]

hardon

[cedar cove]

[idle bay]

Freudian typo

[mighty pike]

Got Malleus Monstronum again! Third time

[plain talon]

For all the shit knife Zealots and Psykers in general get, I have lost more matches to boltgun/XII zealots and boltgun veterans than any other class and weapon combination.

[cyan notch]

how do u get it 3 times

[mighty pike]

People kept taking last hits after my solos

[plain talon]

M-MUH SPESS MURINE GUN GO BRBRBR, BULWARK GO DRRRR, TEEHEE

[cyan notch]

oh you phrased it as if you got the achievement 3 times

[mighty pike]

I solod beasts of Nurgle 3 times and two out of those 3 times a zealot hit it so I more or less did

Now I can see my psyker's disgusting fingers

[hot zephyr]

Debating if this is worth the melk-bulks

I don't care about the lack of deflector, but I'm a little torn if the perks are savagable. Maniacs is pretty good but I feel like I'd want maybe + to Flak with it?

[cyan notch]

sure go for it

can probably 1 shot both ragers with those 2 perks

[lyric prism]

wait the sword can have a soul blaze pasive?

[hot zephyr]

The one on the right can already one-shot-body-shot flak ragers on damnation if I have at least 1 warp charge

[idle bay]

And Bloodthirsty according to .. to the Internet

[lyric prism]

HUH?

bloodthirsty is for how long tho?

does it only apply on the killed target or is it a buff for a few seconds?

[hot zephyr]

Is bloodthirsty the one where you get 100% crit chance on your next swing after elite kill or something?

I think it's just on-next-swing

[cyan notch]

5s of 100% crit after special action kill

[lyric prism]

oh its on next swing

is that even good tho?

i mean it makes you next special swing even more devestating

but i would not pick that necessarely for blazing spirit

[cyan notch]

read this

[hot zephyr]

Yeah but it's really only useful during elite-packs, which aren't terrible common even on damn, and you'll mostly kill them with ranged

[lyric prism]

OH

well ... that changes things quiet significantly

[idle bay]

29 minutes to roll +12% Block on Curio. 2 to go...

[idle bay]

So you already have that build ready. How much fire it can took before you need to press F ?

I mean - how Peril build-up looks on it?

[cyan notch]

i didnt use deflector on it

[still hearth]

Can you block a crusher overhead though

[cyan notch]

no those are unblockable

[west stream]

now you tell me

[cyan notch]

same with maulers

[idle bay]

I already able to block DH passively just on Block Efficiency i stacked +52% (without +3 stamina Curios) with my Axe

[cyan notch]

you can eat one blow with 100% toughness and take no health damage but you cant block it

[idle bay]

But those are Parriable with dueling sword....

[cyan notch]

thats not a block though

[idle bay]

Parrying 200kg concrete block on steel pole with a flimsy sword...

[still hearth]

Dueling sword can parry?

[cyan notch]

im assuming he meant devils claw

[idle bay]

Sorry Devil claw sword

still feeble piece of wire

[west stream]

ah I was concerned I was unaware of a parrying mechanic outside devil claw's special

[idle bay]

Back to re-rolling perks...

[still hearth]

I'm pretty sure you still take damage if you parry crushers with the Claw though

[old oyster]

can i get any advice for flamer psyker ? mostly looking build for it

[cyan notch]

wouldnt be surprised but i dont use that

[idle bay]

That was fast - less than 5 min to roll

[still hearth]

The parry is basically just a block that hits back from what I've experienced.

[mighty pike]

It's quite fun to use but I don't know if it's much effective. Also don't know if it takes stamina

[still hearth]

It does.

You can circumvent block break through animation cancelling which I played around with

But its not very useful most of the time

It does let you infinitely parry the DH with most weapons though

[cyan notch]

by most weapons do u mean devils claw

[mighty pike]

The devil's claw is all a knight needs

[white walrus]

atrox mk 7 tactical

best

Lets you dance around and is still a decent can opener for when you need it

[orchid nest]

it's on any weapon special kill from what I was told from someone who has it a while back

[idle bay]

All is done. Set is rolled. Testing time!

61% Block Efficiency , though i have +1 and +3x3 Stamina bonuses - It's only 7 Bars of Stamina in Game... and should be 3 +10... Whatever game.. whatever

Maybe it's 13 stamina for calculations...

[white walrus]

who blocks

[plain talon]

When you take 3 bugged stamina curios on an already flimsy class 👌

[white walrus]

Just dance

Itl be ok

[idle bay]

First test of Force Wall on Malice - i can ignore whole spawn of Dreg shooters with a couple of shotgunners on passive Quelling...

[still hearth]

Stamina curios are bugged

[halcyon creek]

Silent stamina cap?

[still hearth]

Nope

Code wrong

All stamina curios give +1

[idle bay]

I hope they still count for Kinetic Deflection as 13 Stamina and not 7 🙂

[still hearth]

The tooltip isn't based on the stat

[still hearth]

It gives +1 stamina per curio

[idle bay]

Ah....

[still hearth]

Regardless of what it says it should

People looked into leaked code and they just forgot to change the +2 and +3 values

I have no idea why it's not linked to the tooltip

[summer prairie]

More likely it used to be +2 and +3 and was nerfed

[still hearth]

[cyan notch]

i kinda hope thats the way

i dont wanna give up my health curios lmao

[idle bay]

I need more test runs. So far results are satisfactory.

[solar loom]

Kinetic Deflection benefits from stamina curios?

[cyan notch]

yea

[solar loom]

Huh, damn

[cyan notch]

well stamina

[solar loom]

Like, you gain less peril if you have more stamina, or you just have extra stamina when your peril goes critical?

[cyan notch]

former

[solar loom]

Good to know

The force sword only has 3 stamina base

[cyan notch]

2

you have 1 by default

[solar loom]

Ah

I mean, that's kind a distinction without a difference, but makes sense.

[hot zephyr]

That's rather hilarious that having a ton of stam results in gaining less peril

[halcyon creek]

psykogryn will be unstoppable

[cyan notch]

yea so weapons with +4 stam are better theoretically

but different weapons also have different block costs

[solar loom]

Hmm, every weapon will have a point where block cost reduction supercedes another point of stamina in effectiveness in terms of peril gained.

[cyan notch]

thats at the very high end i think

for normal usage stamina is better i believe

[solar loom]

Like, on the force sword 20% BCR is not as good as +1 Stamina unless you already have 5 or more stamina

[cyan notch]

then again its not like they roll in the same slots except for perks

[solar loom]

Yea, that's the issue

[summer prairie]

I think going from 4 to 5 stamina is about the same as 20% bcr, after that bcr is better

[solar loom]

Unless you get a high end force sword that already comes with a level 4 BCR you're better off rolling a extrapoint of stamina into the slot.

[cyan notch]

helps running and pushing too

[summer prairie]

@idle bay: how much peril were you gaining from one regular shot, 2%?

[shell coyote]

what kinda perks do yall like on your electric staffs? any specific damage type thats good?

[boreal cave]

is this a website?

[hot zephyr]

On surge, + to flak or carapace helps a lot (flak moreso because it's more common), and then crit chance is best with that

The ideal would probably be +5% crit chance and +25% to flak

[cyan notch]

check top pin

[summer prairie]

+elite fine too

[shell coyote]

thanks for the insight 🙂

[shell coyote]

oooh nice i got that

[idle bay]

Really hard to say. I'm usually taking more that one and never go redlining on Peril so far. Downside - i made from dry rice paper. But as long as i hold block i pretty much unkillable.. and only need to be aware of overheads

[shut valve]

Warp Nexus: +Critical Chance based on current Peril. Max of 2% Critical Chance. Stacks 5 times.
How does this actually work? Are 5 stacks = 2% crit chance in total or is each stack equal to maximum +2% crit chance based on peril level?

Also when does it actually stack? Just each x% peril or is there a time ticking when at high peril?

[summer prairie]

You get a 2% stack at 30, 50 and then two at 97%. Four stacks total

[shut valve]

Oi. Where's my fifth stack? D:

[idle bay]

Best part about Force Wall build - is when teammates figure out that they can hide behind be from bullets and still shoot.

[shut valve]

Also, I'm not a psyker main so I might be missing something but I feel surge staff just functions so backwards in the way in damages people. Based on modifiers it seems like they want you to crit a lot with it but the fact that it takes a bit of time before you get that final burst of dmg which is the only part that can crit just makes you roll so few times for a crit that it takes ages to deal a critical strike. Then it's also just weird that it splits the damage up between all targets. I get it's supposed to be a CC staff but it kind of feels just too low dmg regardless

[white walrus]

@shut valveDOesent split, does most damage to fiorst target, and then less for per target after per chain

[shut valve]

Hmm, maybe the dmg values are just less against infected compared to ogryn bulwark then but I noticed against the bulwark in the meatgrinder the final pop did around 550 while against infected main target it just did like 110 against all of them

[white walrus]

My surge staff does the highest damage out of all my staffs,

did it only have 110 health? i think the normal infected have like 150 or something right?

oh nm i misunderstoodf

[shut valve]

Could be yeah, I didn't look too deep into it honestly since I was only on to buy an item. I had put it on heresy

Maybe I just didn't see the main target's higher dmg taken cus there were a few targets around them

[white walrus]

Surge is grood either for minimum charge time for CC, or for little charging packs of non elites

er, eleites actually not non elites

I wouldent bother using surge during horde uinless you are targeting a pocket of elites

[shut valve]

Yeah I like spamming 'instant' casts to CC specials and and elites that are together or charging speciels and stuff

[white walrus]

the short cast instant CC is also great to control and close with packs of gunners

or enable your team to take care of safely

[shut valve]

So do you bother with crit chance on the staff or do you consider it pretty much a dump stat?

[white walrus]

not sure what meta is with that honestly, i always like when i get reduced charge time, supress on kill, extra damage to flak and carapace though

[bold flint]

isnt the crit multi for surge like super low

why do people even want that stat

[white walrus]

meta in this game has alot to do with playstyle and team dynamics.... more about that than min maxing damage imo

[cyan notch]

crits are good for left click

[white walrus]

hitting breakpoints is important too for some things

the only thingsd breakpoints seem super important for are sharpshooters though.... everyone else is meh

[robust meteor]

breakpoints are kind of a waste of time

[white walrus]

maybe some zealots disagree

I think hittign certain breakpoints for sharpshooter can be useful

if your a heashot focused guy

[shut valve]

I main ogryn and never bothered to look at breakpoints so far

[boreal cave]

in not sure warp flurry even works on surge / purge. it seems to time out when channelling, compare it to void do 5 min charge cast then fully charge one and u see void channel jump up while surge and purge dont

i know for sure it doesn't on purge staff, either it times out or u cant cast it with low enough charge to stack

[robust meteor]

the opportunities to utilize breakpoints are too far and few in between with the sheer number of mobs that spawn

which is why itypically opt for something universal like crit

[summer prairie]

crit only helps if it hits breakpoints

[long wharf]

or you get effects on crit

[robust meteor]

my breakpoint is dead enemies

[white walrus]

Breakpoints only good for eliminating far away targets quickly. So, really veteran. In close range there are so many differnt types of damage/chaos coming in from all directions breakpoints stop being usful

[boreal cave]

trash mobs going from 3 to 2 hits is nice

[summer prairie]

horde breakpoints are most important

[boreal cave]

or 2 to 1

[white walrus]

how can you have a horde breakpoint when cleave does diminishing damage on other targets

[summer prairie]

the first target not dying is painful and 2nd and 3rd target can also matter

[white walrus]

And for who even, Ogryn just tries to hit as many targets as possible at all times for bleeds to keep mitigation up

Psyker is loking to position with staff,

Sharpshooter position with gun, so just preacher really

[summer prairie]

yes you dont have to care about the numbers, but might as well not roll your perks then

[white walrus]

Just saying, breakpoints were a big deal in VT2, there is jsut so much more variation in DT though... its not as important IMO

[robust meteor]

you're soloing alot more of the time in VT2\

so it becomes more important

[idle bay]

Another test Run of Force Wall.
Most extreme conditions for test so far:
2 Reapers 1Dreg Gunner 5 Dreg Shooters.
Peril was holding on 31-32% and not going above!!!

[summer prairie]

it does seem the case that you usually hit most important breakpoints already if your damage stats roll well or you need so much help that you can't hit anything else without full crafting

[boreal cave]

i think its a case of specific situations you would like to optimise for, if u have the ability to do it you should

[robust meteor]

i have absolutely zero sense of my success rate when i'm specifically hitting a breakpoint or using a general build

i just feel like it doesn't really help me win

[boreal cave]

probably no most of the time, just QoL

[bold flint]

a psyker walks into a heresy high intensity mission with 1 grim

level 21, level 9, level 10

[white walrus]

Grims seem almost never a good idea

[robust meteor]

ask them what the shape of italy is

[white walrus]

Its like the biggest contributing factor to mission failure

[boreal cave]

yea no motivation for grimms, no reward

[white walrus]

At least in VT2 everyone had curse resistance built in on their reds

[boreal cave]

we need the end chest back and scrips + grimms in every game

able to loot both

loot dice

[robust meteor]

i'm not complaining today. i'll never stop once i start

[idle bay]

So Force Wall Build.
It's:

1. Force Sword with T3 Deflector, +1 Stamina +20% Block efficiency
2. x3 Curios with +1 Stamina ( +2 and +3 still grant only +1) and +12% Block efficiency.
3. Kinetic Deflcetion feat.
   That much Block Efficiency combined with Max Stamina (goes into denominator in formula of peril gain for block) makes it so that your Peril gain can and will be stopped by Passive Quell like even of karking Force Sword!

[robust meteor]

question, why are you doing this lol

[white walrus]

@idle bayDang that sounds cool

[boreal cave]

for the emperor

[summer prairie]

did you test it on damnation

[idle bay]

I had 5k Dalamantine and 14k plasteel lying around and i wanted to do some EXPERIMENTS! And i did

[boreal cave]

nothing like some psyker tech heresy

[idle bay]

Nah - i'm lazy - so far on Malice, and Heresy tests next

[robust meteor]

you should try doing a video of blocking the entire run

[idle bay]

I need proof of concept first

[robust meteor]

sped up of course

[boreal cave]

well with 1 stam on wep and 1 curio i can block a lot on damn but you will break to multiple reapers and gunners

[idle bay]

So far best result of blocking: 2 Reapers 1 gunner and 5 dregs with auto-guns stabilized Peril on 31-32% and it not gone further

Need more tests 🙂

[boreal cave]

pretty much invuln to horde and medium amounts of gunners

[robust meteor]

RMB through damnation. i want to see it lol

[bold flint]

man, ive never looked at the surge staff damage values before, i knew it did poorly against poxers but i had no idea it was this bad against unarmored and infested

[idle bay]

Eventually. Need to test on heresy first 🙂

[summer prairie]

Enemies do 2x more damage on damnation compared to malice, probably affects block costs as well

[robust meteor]

surge actually tickles bombers. thats why the fall on their back. they're laughing their asses off in pleasure

[idle bay]

Best part of Force Wall build - you are mobile cover that teammates can use and shoot through your barrier, unlike SHield Ogryn

[idle bay]

And you need to finish them with LMB blasts while they are giggling

[boreal cave]

but block push is a one shot for them

xD

unless u got bots in wich case its a liability haha

AI "im helping" player "im now in bits"

[idle bay]

Meanwhile in store "the best" Antax MK V axe i've seen so far!

[steel egret]

I think plenty of people here have run something like this almost since launch.

[idle bay]

Naturally 🙂

Even if brain-mush like me figured it out

[lost river]

I have never even seen a Force Sword with the ranged block blessing. But luckily crafting is only a month ago away

[amber nest]

How usable is this one? Critical Bonus doesn't seem that important

[steel egret]

Charge rate is the not important one for me.

[amber nest]

I also have this one

Just want to upgrade one to have it in my arsenal

[idle bay]

I have to use this one. Other surge staffs i own are even worse.

[steel egret]

Seems to be common dilemma.

[idle bay]

But i have few 380 lasgans and pistols... thanks FatShark!

[amber nest]

I mean, I really lucked out on my Voidstrike staff gift

[steel egret]

for whatever reason I currently have 321 staff thats better than 6 other around 350-360 staff I happen to own.

[long wharf]

yep, psyker's ranged weapon pool is just too large

[amber nest]

Just waiting to be able to swap out Blazing Spirit

[steel egret]

I personally dont fully charge surge staff, unless I really have to.

[long wharf]

I fully charge when I'm trying to kill gunners

[amber nest]

I just want to play Palpatine sometimes, so I figured I'd consecrate one of those blues

[idle bay]

I only fully charge it for Bulwarks and Crushers

[shadow onyx]

to me its seems important because you can easily reach 30-35 % flat without the crit blessing

[summer prairie]

I always charge if there's time for it and I don't think stunning the enemies immediately provides much value

[steel egret]

I would kind of want one blazing spirit and nexus just to see if I could use it with Ascendant.

[shadow onyx]

and surge do shit dmg on non flak/carapace

[idle bay]

LMB use LMB

[long wharf]

yeah, very rarely is spamming surge the best tactic

[amber nest]

Transfer Peril does a lot of work though

[idle bay]

Rule of Surge staff: "Zaps for scabs, Blasts for rest"

[long wharf]

things get stunned long enough for you to charge up decently between alts

[long wharf]

nope, it's god awful

[amber nest]

Blazing Spirit is good for one thing

[long wharf]

you aren't criting anywhere near enough

[amber nest]

It lights up enemies I didn't kill but did get a crit on

[shadow onyx]

i cant, i have the spam RMB curse

[amber nest]

And that looks pretty

[idle bay]

It takes time to overcome that addiction 🙂

[steel egret]

I mean most you could get is 35% and with blast radius hitting multiple.

[shadow onyx]

i use it but it makes me sad

[idle bay]

And will kill more dreg shooters with lmb than average slackjaw vet with revoler

[shadow onyx]

the tiny ball look so cheap

[idle bay]

But that small ball makes heads explode!

[steel egret]

I dont know why I open tweets-sermons when I know it will be some "which darktide gun you are" bullshit.

[idle bay]

I'd preffer "Vote for our most stupid statement"

[amber nest]

Can't wait for the tweet that says: "The Pox Hound condition was the most played condition over the holiday period, that is why we're extending our OnlyHounds promotion with another month!"

[digital narwhal]

Trauma Staff being my favourite Force Staff, but me being unable to use it because it sucks hot ass and I can't even find one

[steel egret]

People keep asking me if my voidstrike firerate is a macro.

Wouldnt require other than playing psyker till you get staff to find out how to do it.

[cyan notch]

not really

i never found out naturally

[maiden wolf]

I have one with 24 charge rate, barely noticeable.

[maiden wolf]

Blazing spirit is cool tho...

[idle bay]

Siblings i found a feature: At train yard, at the end you can block Poxwalker spawn partially or completely, if party stand next to turret (next to button) and one player stands in marked zone.
That way no more poxwalkers come from there, only advanced trash, and specials and elites.

[slow karma]

Sounds like a good way to be bored

[atomic dagger]

do you have a skin? your staff looks diferent

[mighty pike]

😮

[left basin]

yesmanus

is pamch here

[mighty pike]

No

is this axe as good as it appears

[left basin]

https://tenor.com/view/smile-sad-ce-cry-happy-gif-26301181

when pamch here

[mighty pike]

having some actually interesting weapons from melk

[tidal slate]

If you split up in that map at that stage of it, you make snipers spawn in a way, that only one part of the split up group can shoot them. So if you stand there and you get hit by a sniper, The rest of the team can not even see that sniper because of the train in the middle, that blocks the sight. Then they have to run to your position, while also being attacked by the normal spawning walkers and gunners. BUT if you really want to have it the easy way, then go into that wagon on the left of your red marking. Stand left and right next to the doors with the back to the yard and just melee trough the train wall and the ledge on the right. That way all the gunners, snipers and bombers have no line of sight and can be picked off easy mode at the end.

[left basin]

yo how the fuck did yall guys do the dick n cox penance

[amber nest]

Huh, waiting was the right thing to do I guess

[rapid cliff]

I've done all of the psyker penances and have my good curios, what class should I pick next? Just curious what fits the playstyle of the psyker

I've been thinking of veteran due to the minor similarities in health and abilities

[north cradle]

Veteran and Psyker are both theoretically the ranged classes

So ya I would do

I'm doing Ogryn myself

[rapid cliff]

Plus the plasma gun and power sword are cool, I'm doing ogryn last

[north cradle]

Plasma Rifle heat seems a tad different than Peril in how to vent it, but you should be fine

[rapid cliff]

Definitely, I just want to finally play a class that doesn't have mind breakingly difficult penances

[north cradle]

Ogryn's Heresy Penances are kinda BS

Vet's are only easy because you can cheese them

At least, more of them than you can cheese Psyker's

[rapid cliff]

Yeah, zealots seem alright

[north cradle]

The thing I don't like about Plasma Rifle is that venting past 50% overheat seems to damage your health directly?

[rapid cliff]

Don't worry, soon they will make a melta gun

[north cradle]

If I was king of Fatshark, I'd change the Plasma Rifle so it works kinda like how Psyker does right now. Could be the Moonfire Bow of Veteran Sharpshooter

Infinite ammo, but you can either do the kinda long partial vent, or a full vent by the reload

[simple gust]

What you know about this?

[rapid cliff]

thanks!

[cyan notch]

damn thats a nice surge

[north cradle]

I have no issue with the perks

[sudden trellis]

if I was king of fatshark, I'd make a warhams 40k: dark heresy rendition of SWAT 4

[simple gust]

Yeah those blessings on that staff.

[north cradle]

Maybe you can just refine the Carapace Armour until you get 25%

[twilit badger]

I did all 4 classes to level 30

And i gotta say

Psyker is the most trash one among all 4 of em

[sudden trellis]

welcome to the 1,7% homie

[simple gust]

True. I haven't refined anything on it yet.

[north cradle]

Warp Flurry, I don't actually think is too bad on Surge staff. You're spamming it anyway for CC, but the reduced charge time means you can tweak out a little more damage and stun

[north cradle]

Yes

[sudden trellis]

lmao, i had the exact opposite revelation once i maxed all classes.

[north cradle]

I wish Psyker could be reverted to closed beta

[sudden trellis]

i was fucked up about how i have to carry everyone's ass

on the psyker

[strong spoke]

Purgatious staff + MK V axe with brutal momentum. Thouts?

[idle bay]

Now i wonder if i can passively tank DH on FS with Kinetic Deflection + 65% Block efficiency and 7 stamina....

[simple gust]

I like Psyker more than Ogryn. I'm trash playing Ogryn.

[north cradle]

Psyker had access to shotguns, ult vented all Peril, Brain Burst had less Peril buildup and I think it dealt like 30% more damage

[twilit badger]

Sharpshooter>Zealot>=Ogryn>>Psyker

For me

This especially notable on higher difficulties i think

Psyker is just

[north cradle]

The fact that I can't one-shot a Pox Hound or Pox Burster on Damnation with a Brain Burst is what really kills Psyker for me

[strong spoke]

Brain burst needs to scale

[twilit badger]

Mayyybe useful when it uses shock staff to put CC on Special/Elites?

[sudden trellis]

psyker/zealot>ogryn/veteran in my case

[idle bay]

Ogryn - super easy mode, Sharpshooter - toddler diffculty mode, Zealot - normal mode , Psyker - Darkest Dungeon with Korean MMO RNG mode

Psyker have it best 🙂

[twilit badger]

Even then, you'd just be way way, waaaaay better to just play Sharpshooter

[strong spoke]

Unlimited flamethrower is pretty great

[north cradle]

I do think Psyker is at his best when it comes to removing Elites and softening Ogryns, but its usefulness against Specialists is questionable at higher difficulties

[twilit badger]

Because when sharpshooter shoots something, usually it doesn't need some fancy CC because it's farkin dead

[simple gust]

Brain burst should be buffed at higher levels for a few things like pox hounds. If it did a couple hundred more damage than it would kill them.

[mighty pike]

just realsied you get bonus quell speed pasively with your melee weapoi out

[idle bay]

I play Ogryn to relax, i play Psyker to build up stress level to normal

[sudden trellis]

specs are the vet's job, most of the time, him and zealot

[north cradle]

Not Force Sword

[simple gust]

Am I the only one who thinks Psyker is better than Ogryn in 4 and 5

[north cradle]

Any non-Warp weapons have faster passive quell

[sudden trellis]

I'm with you, until the randoms start dying and no one can get them up again

[cyan notch]

no lol ogryn kinda lame lol

[still hearth]

Ogryn is the least useful overall

[north cradle]

A Claw Sword or Duelling Sword with peril block feat is infinite block

[twilit badger]

Ogyrn is pretty good tbh

[sudden trellis]

I think ogryn's a great safety net

[still hearth]

Pretty good at getting people up if they fuck up

[strong spoke]

Ogryn seems to be too squish in damnation

[idle bay]

That is why no-force weapon blocking on Kinetic Deflection feat works so well and allows to shit on melee enemies and even tank DH

[cyan notch]

ogryns be like see horde me must use ult fly in get isolated and die far away

[simple gust]

I haven't beat all heresy on Ogryn, I die so easy with no cover and ranged. At least I can kill or stun on Psyker

[north cradle]

I kinda wish Ogryn had the same health it does right now, but 150 Toughness

[twilit badger]

Well, yes those are, uh, how should i say it, the players controlling ogryn has ogryn brain powers

[strong spoke]

This

[still hearth]

Ogryn has 120 effective toughness and 360 effective HP base.

[twilit badger]

Yes since it has 20% passivee dmg reduction

[sudden trellis]

I had this when first trying out diff 4 on thr ogie after doing 3s. Your role changes from being a superhero to a tanky support

[still hearth]

Their talents are also just all over the place

[twilit badger]

Ogryn is pretty good once you equipped em right

[simple gust]

Shield is boring too and it doesn't do enough damage on 4 and 5.

[still hearth]

But they could be the best at tanking (but why are you trying to take damage)

[strong spoke]

I think psyker needs better toughness generation more than anything

[simple gust]

I use cleaver and grenadier

[twilit badger]

Bull butcher cleaver/Grenade gauntlet is amazing

[still hearth]

Psykers are at least way more consistent than Vet.

[sudden trellis]

shield's widely regarded as a complete trap weapon for the ogryn

[still hearth]

But Vet has such a strong toughness regen its still bonkers

[simple gust]

Psyker has toughness Regen in first feats

I use cleaver and grenadier on Ogryn. But that ranged gets me

[twilit badger]

Also don't forget to uses that 50% additional/received damage to/from enemy ogryn types

[strong spoke]

Shooter gets passive regen out of range and coherence

[twilit badger]

The feat says it only increases melee damage against them

[still hearth]

If you run the regen out of range you're a loser though

[twilit badger]

But it actually also increases ranged damage

[still hearth]

Elite regen and run in with brauto or bust

[twilit badger]

So you can even 4 shots damnation Crushers with grenade gauntlet

It's honestly quite good

Miles better than psyker for sure

Enjoy try to brain burst those elites at damnation

lmao

[still hearth]

Better at doing damage to one enemy? Yeah.

[north cradle]

If the shield increased threat generation, that would be nice

[still hearth]

[sudden trellis]

My favorite setup on the ogie's running a rumbler + paul, and roleplaying a bodyguard for the psy/vet backline

Big Dad

[north cradle]

Hell, if the Ogryn had higher threat generation, period

[twilit badger]

No

[simple gust]

It takes 4 brain bursts to get them on 5. So 10 seconds.

[twilit badger]

I don't like getting shot to death by those "shooters" at higher difficulties

[twilit badger]

If you completely ignore peril

Sure

[strong spoke]

Shield is over rated 90% of the time it would be better to have another weapon swinging that a shield doing nothing

[twilit badger]

Also no, i think you need to take that bonus brain burst speed feat at level 30

To achieve that

[strong spoke]

Unless you are tanking a daemon host its meh

[simple gust]

Hard agree here

[still hearth]

Shield should work like Bulwark shield when you're blocking

[sudden trellis]

lasgun squads are genuinely the most dangerous foe in the game. I kinda dig the design choice herr

here*

[north cradle]

I think my best use of the shield on Heresy was against a swarm of Ragers and Maulers. But yeh the shield is situational at best

[simple gust]

Only useful if some asshole agros a demonhost.

Shield that is

[strong spoke]

Ogryns are good at killing Ogryns

[twilit badger]

It's those as*holes that with 3 bursts firing lasguns