psyker-class

[sudden trellis]

hum. that's interesting.

[austere estuary]

also during staff charges

it won't interrupt them

[sudden trellis]

I've just gotten very good with shoving dogs

[fresh reef]

Ooh never noticed that one

[austere estuary]

it's very nice

one caveat

if doing it in the middle of a BB and using barrage

it won't speed up or reduce the cost of the one yuo're already casting

which is relevant if you're using warp battery too

[fresh reef]

That's a pretty minor caveat all things considered

[austere estuary]

if using warp battery, you can get 6 BBs off back to back without quelling

starting from zero

do BB, then ult, then 5 more

last one will start at exactly 97% peril

[fresh reef]

Neat

I run Quicken because I unironically like using it

[austere estuary]

I like the idea of quicken

but then I feel annoyed that often I won't have full warp charges again by the time it comes back up

makes me impatient

[fresh reef]

I just treat it as though I have a 30m shove range at all times

[austere estuary]

"I got this neat cooldown reduction but now I'm sitting on the ability so I can reduce it's next cooldown more!"

[fresh reef]

Which is a lot more useful than you think it would be

[austere estuary]

is what happens to me

[fresh reef]

Quicken + Aura = Shove Infinatum

[austere estuary]

I had thought to use cooldown aura + quicken

but then I really feel like I'm not getting the value f rom quicken

or that I'd get roughly the same from barrage + quicken if using aura

since barrage leads to ult -> bb spam -> cd reduction

and it doesn't chew charges

[fresh reef]

I run it with flayer, so popping the 4 charge Quicken followed by a single Elite dying gives me an effective 2 second CD

[austere estuary]

in my mind I can't help but think of the 6 warp charges stacked with thingy curios

for 88% reduction

but then if taking warp battery and aura, no warp generation passives at all

[fresh reef]

Join the ways of the crackhead

[manic needle]

This staff makes me sad

[austere estuary]

I mean still very good

shame it's not quiiiite there though huh

[manic needle]

20 or so points from greatness though

[austere estuary]

guess you'd need 3 ticks

[fresh reef]

Imagine getting anything above 330 in the armory lol

[austere estuary]

pretty big loss there

325 demonstrably fine

[fresh reef]

325 groll lmao

[austere estuary]

seems like guns are probably the hardest to godroll

when it's dmg/mobility/stab/ammo/stopping power

like literally all of those are desirable

just ranked differently

[dull haven]

I've noticed that 368 is the magic number

[scarlet bear]

thats a cool staff dave

[thin coyote]

hey fellas

anybody have any tips or willing to assist in beating the penance out with a bang?

[scarlet bear]

lol that one

i ve had trouble with it too

but i been told go to a hi ecounter

and hopefully run right into 3 eleites to blow up on

[thin coyote]

its happened

[scarlet bear]

though i know way to get the harder one

[thin coyote]

lets hear it\

[scarlet bear]

for the deal 90% of a elite mob with brain blast

you basically hget a tank to block a witch

and then brain blast it away

that what many psyhers told me

[thin coyote]

interesting

im gonna save that info rn thanks mate!

[scarlet bear]

over all timing you own death explosion for the other can be compicated

XD

seeing your relaying on allies not to kill

while you run in

[thin coyote]

for me the issue is a little bit of timing but its mainly the health

[thin coyote]

ive had teammates who tried toh elp

[scarlet bear]

i think it more so you run in with like lightening and hopefully get close enough to finish them

[thin coyote]

gtk

ive the staff for lightning which is good

but it all comes down to enemy health and trying not to kill them accidentaly

[scarlet bear]

its a great staff for stuns

[thin coyote]

or getting knocked before you can explode

the worst of the elites are ragers

[scarlet bear]

the more annoying one for me

[thin coyote]

i keep running into groups of 3 which either survive my explosion or they knock me before i can get em

[scarlet bear]

is the task to kill so many enemies off a ledge

in a time frame

[thin coyote]

i managed to beat that at the cogitator array believe it or not

[scarlet bear]

really intresting

[fierce sinew]

you can also put your back to a wall and peril block the ragers up to critical, and then stun them in place with surge to put yourself over + hopefully keep them there long enough to blow them up

[sudden trellis]

how do you pronounce your disc handle

[thin coyote]

might be a little hard constantly having to switch between gun and other things

[fierce sinew]

I don't feel the need to, do you?

[thin coyote]

but that could work

[fierce sinew]

gun seems hard

[scarlet bear]

is the quell run feat worth anything?

[fierce sinew]

every way that doesn't involve surge honestly

[fierce sinew]

it's very marginal qol in the same tier as peril block

[scarlet bear]

but isnt the range def based on peril staple?

[cyan notch]

no

[fierce sinew]

if I had to guess offhand from what people say here it's probably 60:30:10 peril block:range def:mind in motion

if you were to call one of the three the meta option peril block is the one

[scarlet bear]

its what i d assume

motion i feel is useful for a more aggresive style

moving forward to close ground

[fierce sinew]

it's just not actually faster most of the time is the thing

if you're trying to be aggressive you have the option taking your meme axe out and sprinting, for example

and even if you don't do that quelling with your staff (while moving very marginally slower) and then swapping to your melee weapon to sprint afterwards is still going to be faster over most longer distances anyway

[cyan notch]

idk walking menacingly with your hands out isnt very aggressive

[scarlet bear]

lol

all i can say

warp can do strange things to the mind

nothing more frightening that a person weilding destructive power that can go insane at any moment

anyway ty for the data

[dull haven]

Got a terrifying barrage 2 on this

Shitted or worth

[north cradle]

This is just personal preference, but the bad Warp Resistance is what gets me. It's probably usable, but you're just going to have to charge less than you'd like

If Warp Resistance and Damage were swapped around, you'd have a solid staff there, blessings notwithstanding

[strange wigeon]

is it noticable when it procs? Still haven't gotten that blessing on anything except braced auto and braced auto already supresses a shitton

[weary wasp]

Absolutely not

Terrifying barrage might become one of the best blessings once they unscrew the supression

[dull haven]

No not really noticed anything.

Still get hit by melee while im using it

[wispy terrace]

is there an advantage difference between the flame staff and the lightning staff?

[dull haven]

Yes lighting staff is great for heresy and damnation

It stuns for 5 secconds

or something stupid

Makes the game virtually easy mode for you and your team

Makes bulworks raise there shields

Stops mutants in their tracks

same for hounds

It just gets boring

[weary wasp]

Supression is borked. But I don't think it affects melee fodder outside of initial daze

[mighty pike]

Anyone looking to do penances today

[idle bay]

And you forgot that LMB of Surge stuff actually Supresses karking a-hole dreg shooters who are immune to suppression from weapons (not a bug according to devs).

Basic LMB attack of Surge staff is severely undermestiated

Zap for scabs , blasts for dregs

[still hearth]

They're not "immune" they just become immune if you don't permanently suppress them with at least like 20+ suppression per second

Working as intended, y'know.

Which, makes it way worse, that people at Fatshark felt "this is fine" about the dregs

[mighty pike]

The dregs are the worst thing about this game. They're far too accurate for being untrained

[still hearth]

Wdym, I love that all enemies have 100% accuracy if you don't sprint, dodge or slide.

[sudden trellis]

just like real life.

[mighty pike]

I would rather on my team have a dreg instead of a veteran

Warhammer 40k: Dregtide

[idle bay]

Or Bot. Bots clear dreg shooters usualy vaster than average vet, and don't let me start on Revolver vets....

[dim folio]

did they change brain burst recently?

[magic burrow]

lightning staff makes you a real asset to the team, but it also makes you reliant on the rest of the team as you can't really defend yourself against the low tier rabble climbing up your pants while youre stunning the big targets

[mighty pike]

Agreed

[mighty pike]

no. why?

[dim folio]

@mighty pike today when i was playing my brain burst was getting interrupted constantly

[mighty pike]

Were you charging it with right clicl?

[dim folio]

like before i could pick a target and LoS around a corner and pop skulls, now if i break LoS i lose the charging

[cyan notch]

maybe someone killed ur target

[dim folio]

not at all, was with bots

[cyan notch]

bots can kill targets too

[dim folio]

i just mean like

[boreal wave]

Yeah I tried super hard to get surge to hit breakpoints on trash but it's just bad for it

[dim folio]

i have a sniper across the map targeted, i start the charge, and then it disables

[cyan notch]

weird got a clip?

[dim folio]

unfortunately i do not, checked here first

first game of the day was just a struglle to brain burst lol

[hot zephyr]

Tragic mk1

God rolled the perk/blessing, but unusable stability. It'll buck like a horse.

[cyan notch]

oh right its shop o clock

[orchid nest]

my first suspicion would be that your mouse left click is starting to go out and is re-sending additional left clicks when you're holding it down sometimes. it's not always something that happens all the time when it starts at first either, it comes and goes

maybe not, something to try to rule out though if it happens again.

[still hearth]

So when would you run Quicken, if ever?

Not sure if that's the one you were thinking about

[mighty pike]

Isn't

[near wyvern]

You can run it on void if you want but it's one of those things that are viable but not optimal. It's much better to run KB with void so you can keep your stacks and kill gunners/snipers/trappers/bombers fast and reliably when they are far away.

[still hearth]

Yeah that's what I felt

It just feels like it wants to do the same thing that KB does

But worse

[near wyvern]

KB with Psykinetic's Aura is just much better

Than quicken with Psychic Communion

[dim folio]

maybe it was just my first game, brain burst working as im used to now

thanks everyone

[near wyvern]

Trauma

[still hearth]

Wouldn't it be better to try to stay at 6 stacks instead

[near wyvern]

That would be the case if ult quelled all peril but since it doesn't you only really get 1 or 2 more trauma use after quicken

[still hearth]

[mighty pike]

a total peril wipe would be useful indeed

[near wyvern]

Possibly this with KB so it doesn't clear the stacks

[orchid nest]

I've had mice going out before where it was extremely inconsistent at first like I said where it potentially wouldn't happen for an hour or two and then start again. hopefully it was just inputs getting eaten or something though.

[mighty pike]

I don't know why you would bother. In my experience it's an actual nuisance having someone have trauma on my team

[near wyvern]

I would like to mess around with 4 psykers all use AB and kinetic overload. 3 puratus users and 1 surge.

Since soulblaze gives procs to all wearing AB and that would mean a shit ton kinetic overload procs.

[floral solstice]

paykers = pay to win psykers? Jk

[near wyvern]

Typo

[floral solstice]

yo sub which purg do you prefer

hang on

[near wyvern]

Ranni works in marketing

Clearly

[orchid nest]

yeah that would be funny. I do enjoy having 1 surge and 1 purge both with AB as it is, playing from either side

[floral solstice]

number 1

number 2 has more radius but no nexus tho

ive been using number 1 before i started spamming surge

[orchid nest]

number 2 I would think. losing nexus sucks but the cloud radius makes a large difference

[floral solstice]

says effective range up to 17.5... is that on meters

?

[orchid nest]

yeah if we could go up to 100%. that would be cool

[near wyvern]

@floral solstice let me say it this way, warp flurry is bugged on Purgatus and doesn't work with it, warp nexus is also either bugged or gives a total of +4% (for that tier) crit chance at high perils which is not really noticeable. If you stack with +crit chance perk it is all right tho.

[mighty pike]

This one

[near wyvern]

Basically, at the current state of the game, blessing do not matter at all for Purgatus. It's all very minor / no noticeable bonuses.

[floral solstice]

okay thanks for your feedback guys, im sticking with number 1 jk

[atomic dagger]

[orchid nest]

I think with how nexus works right now 2 stacks is reasonable to consider for what you would have most of the time basically, yeah

[floral solstice]

haven't used purge since i switched to surge and that was before the horrible new vfx for surge lightning came out

next week im forcing myself to play purg only for a full week to get used to it

[orchid nest]

shred melee makes a large difference but will get fixed eventually

[floral solstice]

fixed in what way

dont pls i love my shred melees

[orchid nest]

fixed as in the stacks don't go away if you swap to purg and stay at that stack

yeah

[floral solstice]

wait what the f

also i need confirmation on something

what's the rate that purg applies burn in general

like.. does it apply every time lmb hits?

does it have a rate the longer you channel rmb?

[orchid nest]

it's variable by a small degree and is listed in the burn stat I believe. I think offhand left click does 2 stacks

[floral solstice]

wish there's at least status bars on enemies on meat grinder so we can see

but on rmb channel tho? does it apply stacks continuously?

[orchid nest]

yeah it lists the rate it does if you inspect the burn stat. I think that is in seconds

I didn't actually test that ever though

[floral solstice]

oh, i actually thought that was like a burn multiplier or smth

[orchid nest]

looks like left click is 1 stack

[floral solstice]

though i only inspected a purg staff like 2x before this lol

so damage isn't that important for purg? the burning intensity that it says on damage is barely noticeable?

[orchid nest]

if the stat is correct it would be roughly 3 stacks a second with no crits or anything. that instinctively sounds low to me but I never actually tried to time it I guess

yeah damage doesn't do much for it

[floral solstice]

kinda wanna try lacerations too

[orchid nest]

from the rough tests I did without actually taking a video and looking at the time exactly by frame that does seem to line up on the burn stat with being in seconds for the damage over time application rate

so yeah roughly 3 a second

[floral solstice]

Uhh why does lacerations seem to affect brain burst too

I thought it was bonus to non-warp sources

is this another fatshark thing

[orchid nest]

it just works on everything I guess right now from what people were saying

[floral solstice]

it's one less bb on crushers and mauler

hmm

[orchid nest]

here is what royales guide says on it

[hot zephyr]

Yeah its broken and allows you to two hit crushers with KB

[orchid nest]

kind of interesting it works on soulblaze too actually, pretty good with purg to boost your own boss damage

[hot zephyr]

Why not Quietitude? You'll be quelling a ton

[floral solstice]

where can i find that?

[orchid nest]

it's the top pin in the channel

[hot zephyr]

You should take quietitude over warp essence for sure. And I'd keep the cool down reduction and take Kinetic Flayer over warp battery since you won't have a non BB source of charges

So 6 stacks will be hard to get let alone keep up

But otherwise yeah I agree that's probably a decent way to make trauma less painful to use

[carmine beacon]

can you give link for guide on screenshot?

[orchid nest]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2905188402

[magic burrow]

Void and Trauma staff could use a blessing where killing an enemy with a critical hit has a chance to give a warp charge or something

something to help those staves build warp charges

[orchid nest]

I remember seeing a chocob video of him using trauma with essence harvest but he had the standard psy aura with kb

[lethal plover]

every day I come back and no patch

[hot zephyr]

Yeah, I prefer to fall on the side of "good enough". a 4 charge Quicken will still reduce the cooldown by 50%, and Aura will give 15% more for every elite you pop, so I think a cooldown peril dump build isn't just reliant on quicken and warp charge generation, having aura gives you that key second source of cooldown reduction.

That said, you have to give up our best non-BB source of warp charges in Communion to get that combo, which in my mind says Kinetic Flayer would at least help build more charges innately without altering the playstyle. Flayer kinda falls off in higher difficulties where the free BB doesn't often deal the killing blow, but I doubt you're focused on a Damnation viable build and are more likely to be playing Malice or Heresy with this where it'll work fine.

Quietitude also considers the peril dumped by Wrath to be part of it's toughness regen (or so I've been told), and you will have no shortage of quelling time which will give back big chunks of toughness. So I think it synergizes best with Trauma due to the high peril nature of the build.

Now, on the other end, the other high-peril feats (Wrath and Shield) are are limited use here, I agree this is one of the few times where Mind In Motion is possibly required as well in order to not get caught planting your feet.

[daring crown]

got this at melks. anyone know how the surge perk works? does it work on m2?

i dont use trauma often, not sure if its worth buying

[cloud heron]

I don't think I've even heard of this blessing before. I'm even trying to look it up and can't find it

[daring crown]

yea i have never seen it either

[cloud heron]

you're going to have to buy it and science it out for us

[sour bison]

Rend is useless, surge probably doesn't even work

[west galleon]

Rumhead at the frontier of build research

Make it count son

[floral solstice]

i'd buy that even if i wouldn't use it rn, who knows what you can do with that if we get blessing extract in the future

[cloud heron]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/zkjqxj/new_staff_blessing_surge_2_shots_on_critical_hit/j005q1z/

[orchid nest]

I've seen it discussed and shown with void but not trauma

[cloud heron]

sounds like it creates follow up attacks on hit?

[daring crown]

thanks. i couldnt find anything when i searched for it

[orchid nest]

just another one of those super rare t4 only ones like the power sword one and bloodthirsty for force sword/chain sword

[shrewd grove]

psyker has no drip even from the cosmetic shop 😭

[rocky cedar]

Well it can technically help hit poxwalker one shot breakpoint on Damnation but... not much and you can already reach that breakpoint with a high damage roll and some warp charges, so yeah mostly useless

[daring crown]

well i bought it just because. melk never offers me anything good anyway

[slender plaza]

yup. voidstrike has it built in with the primary and uncharged secondary combo except uncharged secondary is weaker than primary. and you dont use voidstrike on damnation anyway

[rocky cedar]

If Surge does create double M2s that's pretty pog

[cloud heron]

Yeah the guy in the thread said it's underwhelming but i really don't understand how that can be possible unless it's reduced damage or something

[daring crown]

im testing it right now and i dont think it does. it seems to only prog on m1

[rocky cedar]

That's lame as heck

[slender plaza]

whats the crit chance on primary usually anyway

[rocky cedar]

Well you'd need shred melee probably to get to a noticeable crit chance anyway

[shrewd grove]

thats cap

[magic burrow]

since the voidstrike charged attack is referred to as a pyroblast, I don't get why they don't just make it so charged up strikes set nearby things on fire

that way ascendant blaze would work with it

[daring crown]

shred carries over to the range weapon?

[slender plaza]

oh boy if only

[sour bison]

doesnt trauma just pop them?

[hot zephyr]

I would almost argue that Aura + F becomes your primary peril dump with Trauma and the stacks you dump via Quicken are the bonus, not the other way around.

It's easy to fall for the trap of min maxing around a single mechanic, it's much harder to get a little bit of several things to create a smooth running mixture of abilities

[orchid nest]

he means the horde mobs poxwalkers, not the poxbursters

[rocky cedar]

It sure does. Build stacks by hitting things then quickly swap to ranged. You'll keep the crit chance till you swap back to melee

[orchid nest]

but yeah poxbursters take 30x damage from explosive

[rocky cedar]

Trauma falls just short of one shotting poxwalkers on Damnation (max charge secondary) even with a max damage stat without warp charges. That said with a max damage roll I think you only need 1, maybe 2 warp charges to hit the breakpoint

I'd pretty much always recommend getting an infested perk on trauma anyway so you can one shot them without need to full charge with a few warp charges

[daring crown]

i never knew!

[cloud heron]

There really needs to be an icon for buffs from blessings

[rocky cedar]

Yeah you can hit some pretty funny high crit % with surge, especially stacking with warp nexus and a high crit roll

[lament topaz]

Idea for a Psyker subclass that can give you buffs, but the more buffs they cast on you or the whole team affects the chances of someone randomly exploding.

[daring crown]

that is insane. does that mean that every blessing that has the "stacks X amount of times" suffix carries over to the other weapon?

[rocky cedar]

Don't know about every but for sure quite a few do.

[cloud heron]

I only started reading midway through this convo but I think quicken is underrated if staff uptime is all you want. Like if you have a flamer zealot and a good veteran its entirely possible you just dont need the other two. For typical games I wouldn't recommend it but if youre trying to optimize a 4 stack its perfectly usable

[daring crown]

wow. thats a game changer. i never knew

[rocky cedar]

Is Trauma really that bad? I've only run it in Heresy, not Damnation, but it feels pretty damn effective at dealing with scary mixed hordes. You get to wipe sizeable groups of horde while hard CCing ragers and other scary stuff in the group

That seems quite helpful to me

I run it with KB to help with when my team is slacking on shooters and warp resistance with warp charges so I can get 3 full charges out before needing to swap/quell

[floral solstice]

trauma still viable on damnation

i dont use it myself but ive seen a bunch of randoms doing well with it

man i wish psykers can use heavy sword too

[rocky cedar]

Like I get its niche is quite small and it's suboptimal overall but if I have a huge horde running at me with a shit tonne of elites mixed in I can't think what I'd rather have in my hands than Trauma

[cloud heron]

The day I use a non force weapon on the psyker is the day I die

[cloud heron]

Purge is what I would answer

[frank hazel]

Hugs trauma/void staff

[cyan notch]

you can kinda use it like purg except with a lot more quelling

[floral solstice]

ngl when I play other classes i usually prefer if my psyker random has surge/trauma, i guess i just prefer teammates with some form of cc

On t5 at least

or i just dont like playing with jello's purg

you think we were a team but im actually a mercenary, i team up if you pay me

jk jk

[tribal shuttle]

Finally got through my first Heresy run! Using "Q" and "G" for swapping instead of the scroll wheel, getting a deflector force sword, learning when to use which weapons instead of relying on thr staff, and super coherency made it all come together

[cloud heron]

Congrats

[rocky cedar]

In most cases yeah. Purg ain't gonna slow down Ogryn bearing down on you and can be a bit cucked by bulwarks, but yeah it is a better staff overall, I wouldn't argue otherwise

I enjoy how little Trauma cares about enemy composition for the times my team is asleep at the wheel

[magic burrow]

purge has the benefit that so much feats work well with it. It feels the most streamlined out of all staves

[rocky cedar]

Yeah it having the most feat synergy helps it quite a lot

[magic burrow]

ogryns are slow so you can just kite them or BB them down from range. The danger is when youre stuck in a confined space with them

[bold flint]

i tried trauma staff again after saying i wouldnt

and its fun

but god damn are my ears fatigued

[mighty pike]

Are you sure?

[bold flint]

yeah you launch free grenades every 4 seconds

[valid lake]

when you get a big group with its max charge it is then you cry when your peril goes up to like 47

[bold flint]

the most important stat for it is actually quell and charge speed

you hit max, quell to 80% and hit it again

[mighty pike]

Quell to 96% you mean?

[bold flint]

which is also where all the noise comes from

well you want to do more than blast an area the size of a ratling

[digital mural]

Oh god i can hear it

[mighty pike]

You only explode when you use an ability 97%+ plus. Unless the trauma staff works as two different peril things

[rocky cedar]

I'd argue blast radius is a top priority stat. The variance in that stat is actually incredibly dumb

[rocky cedar]

You have to be under 97% when you actually click M1 and you build a lot of peril charging up

It's pretty impotent if you don't charge it, so no, ~80% was correct

[mighty pike]

That's bad

It works fine with brainburst at 96%

[rocky cedar]

To my knowledge most/all staffs work the same way with charging you just notice it more on trauma because it eats so much peril while charging

[bold flint]

i dont understand how quelling to 96 lets you do anything

[mighty pike]

It sounds like it doesn't work with staffs, but with anything else, you can do whatever you want as long as you're under 97% peril. E.g. you can brianburst to 100, quell for 0.5 seconds, then brainburst again and repeat

[boreal cave]

resets the quell failsafe xD that lets u hit 100% with no boom

[bold flint]

mmm, i have to test this in the meaty grindy

[mighty pike]

Let us know your results

[bold flint]

mmm, brainburst can be channeled at 97, but nothing else is allowed to channel at 100% without blowing up

[marsh token]

You can use brainburst and charged Psi Weaopon Attack when youre are on 99% Peril.

[bold flint]

the peril display even pulses orange when you hit 97~ on quell

[bold flint]

i dont think anyone is disputing that

[marsh token]

Ups. I missed then the topic

[bold flint]

oh i see

they did say you couldnt be on 97+

mb

but yeah, thats wrong

as long as you arent at 100 you will never blow up from gaining peril

[marsh token]

😄

[mighty pike]

Are you sure it's anything under 100%? I was very sure it was 96 or less

[shrewd grove]

You won’t blow up unless you keep casting at 100%

[bold flint]

while doing all this ive also found out that blast radius doesnt scale the targeting ring

[still hearth]

You can go over 100% if you start below 96, right?

[bold flint]

only with brainburst

[still hearth]

Lightning staff seems okay

I'm pretty sure you go to 100% if you start charging at 96 before you can fire

And it still doesn't explode you

[bold flint]

each staff should have a different minimum charge cast peril threshold

its the charging at 100% that will kill you

[sudden trellis]

Are you a bad enough dude?

[dim summit]

How much do ther players seem to care which staff the psyker brings?

[bold flint]

its my understanding that purgatus is the shittiest one to see

[marsh token]

😮

[still hearth]

People don't even know what the voidstrike and trauma staff do I think

[marsh token]

Im a Purga Main 😅😂

[bold flint]

you pog when you see voidstrike and maybe surge if you struggle with specials

[dim summit]

Son't shoot me - what's "pog"?

[bold flint]

[mighty pike]

pog is a face you make when something makes you excited or amazed by something

[digital mural]

I love void!

[west galleon]

You heard of psykers purging peril, but did you find the pogging peril mechanic yet?

[west galleon]

Also wdym with that, am i missusing the staff strike

[dim summit]

I think voidstrike is more fun, but I do better with Force. Maybe I just need a better Void staff?

[still hearth]

Non-psykers probably don't know.

And trauma is considered pretty bad here I think.

[digital mural]

I love my ball of death

[west galleon]

Trauma is the worst

Even worse that purge imo

[bold flint]

literally all the staffs are called force staffs

[dim summit]

Shoot, which is electric?

[west galleon]

The laser ones arent

[bold flint]

surge

[west galleon]

Thats the pewstaff

Voidstrike is the only one i got with decent perks, the shop hates me too much to give me variety

[dim summit]

Yeah, I just d better with Surge and it's currently my highest rated staff.

[still hearth]

I tried purge and it feels like it can work really well (like Flamer on Zealot) but it isn't as absurd as the Flamer

[dim summit]

(I'm not going to presume to know if it's better).

[digital mural]

Viodstrike is literally just checking if its less than three poxwalkers or not, if yes, lmb, if not, rmb

I love it

[bold flint]

Here are the peril breakpoints ive found at which you can start a charged attack, release at minimum charge and not die (with around 80 warp resist):
Voidstrike 99
Surge 96
Purgatus 94
Trauma 93

Brainburst: 97
(can start the charge at 97 and remain at 100% throughout the whole charge without risk of death)

[slow karma]

[digital mural]

Pin that man

[cyan notch]

you just need to release before 100 for staffs

[magic nebula]

Is that with an equal amount of resistance? Nevermind, just re-read the thing.

[bold flint]

i dont actually have a 79-80 resist trauma staff so its probably a point or two higher

the rest are good 79-80s

trauma i only have on 72

[shrewd grove]

Not sure if i should go with the Male Seer or Female loner as my psyker voice

[sudden trellis]

the tf2 medic voice.

[west galleon]

mr atkin downes does a pretty good unhinged voice

[warped perch]

What are the best talents for running purg? Haven’t used it in a while

I know the second one at level 30 is best

[wet belfry]

I run 1-2-1-1-3-3

I lose some power on the staff but gain more versatility outside the staff.

[fierce mural]

Hey guys yous got any tips for the pick n mix penance I’ve been stuck on 4/5 for ages think I’ve managed the 5 kills just outside of the 12 seconds I’m level 30 and using the faster brain burst feat

[magic nebula]

Ogryns 'charge through 6 ogryns' is easiest to be done, if you keep some ogryns alive from one horde - basically herd them from one horde, until the next arrives.
Similar action can be done with other elites, just have your team not kill em for a bit, until more arrives.

If not through teamwork, I suppose it could be done more naturally albeit harder, in any hold your ground moments during events.

[hot zephyr]

I run 321212, I find taking a regular melee with it pairs well for the passive quell

[sand mauve]

feels like dumb luck tbh. it's reliant on getting the elites that can die in 1 brain burst, and you need the space to be bursting them, and your allies not killing said elties

[hot zephyr]

Some folks suggest the "new" comms plex mission because near the beginning of the mission there is a balcony with several gunners on it as a place to try your luck

[fierce mural]

Yeah had a chance at the comm plex one veteran gibbed one I was gutted I’ll try that one and just put my faith in humanity and ask if I can farm it at the start

Thanks for the tips guys

I’ll probably be doing a lfg a week from now just to pre-made it 😂

[near wyvern]

Try 122132, use your ulr liberally, works best on herecy abd upwards

[robust meteor]

i got it by running bb build and surge/void for days until the planets aligned in a pug

[warped perch]

Thanks guys

Is this good to upgrade btw?

[scarlet geyser]

For me it's 97 at surge and bb

[magic burrow]

why do people take photos of their monitors

[scarlet geyser]

Asking real questions

[warped perch]

Sorry if it bothers you I don’t feel like going through the effort of posting an actual screen shot

Idk why it’s a big deal lol

[magic burrow]

Its not a big deal, I just find it weird

[frigid burrow]

If you take a screenshot with prt scr you can paste it directly into discord chat without any editing or whatever

[halcyon creek]

[WIN]+[shift]+S

[fathom onyx]

it's even faster just to hit alt+printscrn

then cntrl+v into the discord box

[warped perch]

Yeah but I don’t wanna window my game to put it in discord

[near wyvern]

Stave threshold depend on warp resist roll

[frigid burrow]

Just transmit your screenshot into discord with the power of your incomparable mind sibling

[magic burrow]

I use sharex, so it automatically uploads whatever I screenshot

[warped perch]

True

Is that staff any good tho? The surge?

[fathom onyx]

it's ok

higher warp resistance would be nicer

[still hearth]

Has anyone tested if cancelling the snap animation that the end of BB by swapping back and forth to melee allows you to chain faster?

[crimson ravine]

the shop was good to your boy today LOL

all in one role for this hr lmao

[sharp obsidian]

It's faster but the timing is tight, if you mess it up you lose dps

[fresh reef]

what's force sword dump stat?

[sharp obsidian]

mobility

[crimson ravine]

thats debateable if you can't keep up with your team and if your meleeing your clutching and that never works well on psyker anyways

[still hearth]

Yeah I noticed it was a bit rough. Doesn't feel super worth it in that case.

[royal wraith]

yall reckon this is worth? warp resist is a bit low for my taste but im kinda keen on picking it up anyway

[crimson ravine]

nah the blessings are bad too

but if your real comfortable with that staff and want it sure but i would not spend 3k coins for that

[sharp obsidian]

Tested it in the psykhanium, even if you do it near perfectly, you still can't get a 6th brain burst out of Quicken, so it isn't that impactful

[crimson ravine]

this what sour milk has for me right now and even this one I dont know if I'd pick it up I could change stamina to infested and it would be decent but still eh

other staffs do waveclear better

[still hearth]

at least Psyker has some mechanics that you can stress test around, though its a shame you can't cancel it more significantly.

I hate that the purge staff has the same LMB situation that the flamer does

Who thought giving misleading VFX was a good idea

[fresh reef]

I do not understand the average zealot player in Damnation

[warped perch]

What is lmb

[fresh reef]

charge into shooters
die instantly
shocked pikachu

[still hearth]

I play Zealot and neither do I.

[west stream]

head empty, only emperor inside

[still hearth]

Listen sometimes you run around a corner and you see red

[slow karma]

It'd a single burst of flame

[still hearth]

And then you're reminded this game hates you

Yeah the LMB on purge is a single shot flame

[slow karma]

or if you're memeing about never using lmb on purge staves

[still hearth]

But if you move your mouse it looks like it spreads out

[sharp obsidian]

Its good stagger

[slow karma]

I don't midn it cuz it's- yeah that

[still hearth]

Oh yeah its good

Its just dumb that it looks like it spreads when it doesn't

[slow karma]

Yeah the aoe isn't super clear

[maiden wolf]

Transfer peril is S-tier though, and it has good modifiers.

[warped perch]

What’s LMB?

[still hearth]

Left Mouse Button

[slow karma]

left mouse button

[warped perch]

Oh

I’m dumb

[maiden wolf]

Lig

Ma

Button

[still hearth]

Or Primary Action

If you want the in game lingo

[maiden wolf]

Holy impact batman

[warped perch]

I hate that flamer and purg both don’t show kills in the reticle

Sometimes

[slow karma]

yo

[warped perch]

And it’s hard to see the white hit marker

[slow karma]

that sword is baller

[still hearth]

Purge and flamer really needs a bit more transparent VFX

[sharp obsidian]

I've been dropping Ascendant Blaze in my Purgatus builds for Kinetic Barrage at lvl 30 and having much better success

suggest people to try it out

[maiden wolf]

I was told cleave was something to hope for, but the impact seems good enough to stun crushers and such. I'm gonna use it with Surge for crowd control.

[slow karma]

I've yet to get a good situation to use kinetic barrage

[still hearth]

Any time you press F

Bang bang

[slow karma]

On fodder?

[maiden wolf]

I prefer ascendant blaze for the warp charges which give me warp resist.

[still hearth]

Its mostly to get resets from the elite killing imo

[slow karma]

That seems like a bit of a waste to me

Yeah which the vets steal anyway lol

[still hearth]

I usually use it to get stacks up if I drop it for some reason

[long wharf]

Tell me you don't understand psyker without telling me you don't understand psyker

[still hearth]

Hence the faster charge

[sharp obsidian]

4 BBs is a kill on a crusher, and with barrage you pump out brainbursts

you can oneshot a crusher cross map

[slow karma]

That charge isn't stopping their lazguns from acing most specialists outside of bulwarks lol

[long wharf]

You aren't oneshotting a crusher at all

[still hearth]

Are you playing with good Vets?

[warped perch]

I use barrage with voidstrike but ascendant with purg is a no brainer

[slow karma]

Well that's a iven

Apparently :V

[still hearth]

My Vets shoot into infected hordes

With their lasguns

And don't use melee until they have no ammo

[long wharf]

The answer is no, then, you play with smooth-brains.

[sharp obsidian]

explain to me why you need Ascendant Blaze on purgatus when you already have exceptional horde clear then?

[slow karma]

I mean it depends on the melee they have

Sure it's more conservative

[still hearth]

Basically, yeah.

[still hearth]

Faster clear

[slow karma]

But you're not wave clearing with a tac axe

[still hearth]

[slow karma]

Or whatever vets get

[magic burrow]

vets shoot into the horde while complaining about the guys shooting at the team from behind cover

[slow karma]

I don't play them

[still hearth]

Vets with the Power Sword

Literally best scrub clear melee

Aside from maybe a fully stacked hsword Zealot

[sharp obsidian]

Kinetic barrage shores up your weaknesses to armor and long range targets

[slow karma]

I rolled one of everything but I've got bad eyes so my aim is sus

So I dont play my vet much at all

[long wharf]

I need to explain to you the benefit of using the one feat psyker has with any builtin synergy to any of the psyker staves? Really?

[long wharf]

It certainly does not.

[sharp obsidian]

My point is the feat is redundant on Purgatus, you are much better running Blaze on surge staff

[long wharf]

It's not redundant at all

Oh my God, you run AB with surge??

[slow karma]

Does soul blaze stack with burgatus burn?

y'know what I'm gonna leave that typo cuz I giggled

[sharp obsidian]

You can't expect to slowly melee down a horde when Blaze just wipes it

[long wharf]

... you think surge is for the horde??

Jesus almighty, do you only play in malice-, too?

[sharp obsidian]

Irrelevant to my point, I know its for elites and special stagger

I am arguing that blaze allows you to have hordeclear along side surge stagger

[magic burrow]

if a horde is coming from a distance, you can leftclick with surge to deal with horde. When they're up close climbing up your legs things get more challenging

[long wharf]

The right combat axe cuts down the horde faster than purge or AB can, hands down

If I was at home, I'd show you what that axe looks like

[sharp obsidian]

Good luck axing down a horde with 2 crushers and 4 dreg ragers

[slow karma]

Sorry but a combat axe isn't going to melt 10 infested before you can swing through them.

[still hearth]

I see that the caxe is an inhumanly good weapon meme is in Psyker chat too

[long wharf]

hah, ragers aren't a threat to me with my axe

[slow karma]

multiple ragers are, however

[long wharf]

Your soulblaze isn't doing shit to those crushers, either

[cyan notch]

i mean antax is good but it definitely isnt beating purg horde clear

[long wharf]

No, number of ragers is irrelevant

[slow karma]

You aren't making any points, you're just deriding other people's choices.

[clear heath]

They're just comparing ascendant blaze with the axe, not the purg staff

[sharp obsidian]

You seem to insult people and question their skill just based on the fact that you are unable to see a different way to play the class that you are not used to, kinda weird

[long wharf]

Without AB, you aren't building up warp charges efficiently with purge staff

[sharp obsidian]

I have ~95% 4 stack uptime with Psychic communion so that is just flat out wrong

[long wharf]

Son, I have more hours on the psyker than you have in the whole game, I'm pretty sure

[cyan notch]

was talking about this
"The right combat axe cuts down the horde faster than purge or AB can, hands down"

[slow karma]

What do you mean by that? What does warp charge gen have to do with this specific pairing

[clear heath]

oh

yeah no way the axe can beat a horde faster than purg

[sharp obsidian]

hah, I'd be surprised

[long wharf]

Because with AB, you build up those charges and spend them in bursts

[sharp obsidian]

don't tell me you run Essence harvest on purgatus

[shrewd grove]

Anyone got a goofy looking psyker

[clear heath]

Yeah but without AB, they don't need to spend the charges anyways

[maiden wolf]

Warp charges give warp resistance

[long wharf]

The charges themselves aren't a primary mechanic unless you spend them

[slow karma]

No I get how warp charges work but I don't understand why it seems so critical to use AB on a purgatus build.

[still hearth]

Running KB without Psykinetic Aura feels a bit meh though

[slow karma]

And no one actually confirmed is the burn from the staff is different from soulblaze

[manic needle]

KB stands on its own

[still hearth]

It is the same

[long wharf]

Your style of play literally doesn't change between having no warp charges and full warp charges

[still hearth]

I tested and they stack together

[long wharf]

No, they aren't the same

[sharp obsidian]

It does if you run warp resist

[still hearth]

So they're the same

[slow karma]

Oh let me clarify

do they have separate stack caps

[long wharf]

The staff projectile damage isn't soulblaze

[slow karma]

Are you getting burn ticks from the staff and soul blaze application on top of each other

[long wharf]

It causes soulblaze dot stacks

The projectile does damage, it's not a dot itself

They're separate damage sources

[slow karma]

Does soul blaze itself have a cap to stacks?

[long wharf]

Depends on the source

[still hearth]

It seems that if you reach max stacks and use F then the stacks will go over the staff cap

[long wharf]

Staves have a stack limit

[still hearth]

But if you do it the other way around it doesn't

[slow karma]

Right ok

[manic needle]

15 is the cap from Purgatus if it has 76%+ burn

[long wharf]

Feats/blessings don't

[slow karma]

So that fact alone makes AB and Purge staves worth using all on their own

[long wharf]

There is a max total stacks per player per target of 31

[slow karma]

Yeah that'll be hard to hit

[long wharf]

Precisely

[slow karma]

So yeah it's totally WORTH using AB and purge together indeed.

But that doesn't invalidate it's use anywhere else

[still hearth]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/QBAKOPE-YqiBR/d1337fG7kvQE?invite=cr-MSxsTHAsMTYwMDY1NDYwLA

[long wharf]

Running purge is the same as saying "I want to kill things with soulblaze", so not having AB is moronic

[manic needle]

AB and Purgatus pair well together, although some prefer KB

[slow karma]

That soul blaze even outside of purge staff builds are gonna melt an infested hoard no matter who fires it off if they're at max charges

It's just a burst of wave clear when you need it

[still hearth]

Yeah 6 stack soul blaze will kill an infected horde

[sharp obsidian]

AB is overkill imo

when you run purgatus

[long wharf]

Your opinion is wrong.

[still hearth]

Well it lets you clear things faster

[slow karma]

To be fair, I think burning everything to the ground with magic space fire is fun as shit so

[still hearth]

Clearing faster isn't bad

[slow karma]

I'm gonna do it anyway lmao

[long wharf]

Purge means dedicating yourself to horde clear

[slow karma]

but yeah, both of these approaches are totally valid

[still hearth]

KB lets you flex more single target sniping

[long wharf]

Being able to do that via AB and staff means you can horde clear at low and max peril

[still hearth]

But AB is very good to just blast hordes

[slow karma]

It does. I've been playing around with it for a bit

[long wharf]

Please look up what "synergy" means

[cyan notch]

i dont think theres anything wrong with not running AB dont listen to him you can defnitely go kinetic barrage to cover your ranged weaknesses its not a crime

[slow karma]

It's not terrible but I have a hard time finding good moments to use it

[still hearth]

The only thing wrong with running purge is that its not a flamer

[clear heath]

Nothing wrong with taking KB on purg to deal with long range/bulwarks

[long wharf]

AB is only very good when you have max warp charges

[sharp obsidian]

Perhaps in a more coordinated environment where everyone is doing a specific role in a team AB is justified, but in pugs I often have to fill the role of the veteran for sniping specials, so KB comes in handy

[slow karma]

Well your fancy flamer can run out of juice

[long wharf]

Oh, so you're talking from a position of low difficulty pugs

[still hearth]

You're definitely doing a poor job if you run out of it

But the reload sucks tbh

[slow karma]

I mean you're not wrong but he point is, you have a limit

[still hearth]

Though if you can't reload for like 4s with a full party that's a big yikes

[sharp obsidian]

I play Damnation

[slow karma]

My mind is incomparable

[manic needle]

In my opinion, AB + Psychic Communion is almost overkill in terms of Warp Charges unless you're running Essence Harvest, Kinetic Overload, or both

[long wharf]

I feel sorry for your teammates, then

[slow karma]

Now you're just being an ass for no reason

[still hearth]

The +15% CDR on elite kill is just too juicy for me to not give up.

Even if it just means my Vet will hopefully ult more

[long wharf]

Vet doesn't need the cdr

[sharp obsidian]

I have nothing to say to you except to stay in your tiny closed world and avoid any kind of differing opinion, since you get rustled at even the thought

[long wharf]

Every class has means of improved cdr

[still hearth]

Everyone needs the CDr sometimes

[manic needle]

Only problem with Aura is that only the person who gets the kill gets the CDR. It's good, just not as good as the description might make you think

[long wharf]

Exactly this

[still hearth]

+15% to the entire team would be absolutely nutty tbf

[long wharf]

It would be vastly superior if it was the entire team

Which you could easily argue it should be

[clear heath]

Nah it's actually only when we get the kill, it gives it to everyone

[manic needle]

Yeah, the wording misleads you into thinking thats what it does, which is unfortunate but also typical in Darktide

[clear heath]

The other person getting the kill does nothing

The psyker with the aura has to be the one killing

[long wharf]

Which makes it even worse, as a good fireteam means you aren't getting elite kills often

[clear heath]

It works well with KB cause you can usually get an elite kill every time you F and BB

[still hearth]

I just play with 3 Zealots

[long wharf]

Ideally, sure

[still hearth]

[long wharf]

I bet you constantly struggle to keep up with them

[still hearth]

Psyker mobility isn't bad

[long wharf]

Not bad, no, just not near what most zealots run

[still hearth]

Just accept the dueling sword speed

Or the backwards Fsword jumping

[clear heath]

it's not that hard to keep up unless they're all crit zealots that just run in deeper with F every time it's up

[long wharf]

No thanks, I prefer to kill things quickly with my combat axe

[manic needle]

I'd go back and test this myself to double check that my sources are correct in how it works, but I'm not going to be playing Darktide again for a while, probaby

[still hearth]

That's what you have the 3 Zealots for

[long wharf]

When I get home, I'll check the code for that feat

[still hearth]

From the steam guide that seems to be mostly correct

[clear heath]

I remember seeing the cooldown jump up when i got the kill from watching my friend's stream tho

[long wharf]

You can't trust in-game descriptions nor people's assumptions

[maiden wolf]

AFAIK, it only works for the person who got the kill.

[still hearth]

We have a pin for Zealot things in Zealot chat that are either bugged or don't do what they say.

[long wharf]

Sounds wise

[still hearth]

Which is way too much, tbh.

[manic needle]

In Psyker chat we just yell at each other about which staffs are better tbh

[still hearth]

My staff is obviously better.

[maiden wolf]

Arguments abound

[still hearth]

We do fight over whether Knife or Taxe is better

And someone always say Caxe has great horde clear

[maiden wolf]

In fact, I could go for a good argument right now

[still hearth]

But they're delusional

[manic needle]

They're based*

[long wharf]

Oof, it sounds like you need to experience it for yourself

[still hearth]

I have a BM caxe and it isn't as good as people portray it to be

[long wharf]

Even without brutal momentum, the mk v combat are can easily handle a horde

[still hearth]

Sure but

Have you seen a Hsword

That thing fucks

Oh wait

[manic needle]

Not on my Psyker

[still hearth]

YOu can't get those

[long wharf]

Hsword?

[still hearth]

Heavy Sword

One of the odd Zealot only melees

It has like 100% cleave damage on up to 7 targets

Its funny

[stone quest]

Well, Caxe's hordeclear is good.
But not great.

[elfin roost]

"Why can only zealots use this it's JUST a sword??"

[still hearth]

Oh yeah its definitely fine.

[manic needle]

Being able to spam CAxe counterattack regularly is good enough

[still hearth]

But Taxe actually does more cleave damage

[long wharf]

It's not a power sword, sure, but it's by far the best psyker can get

[manic needle]

Take advantage of that short Psyker stamina regen delay

[covert ermine]

Burn horde taxe the others

[orchid venture]

I'd love to get a tac axe with brutal momentum

[clear heath]

I think this is the code for it if that helps

It does seem to loop through every player in coherency whenever it activates, so i'm pretty sure i'm right about it just activating whenever the psyker gets the kill

I've also actually seen it happen, but maybe i remembered wrong or something

[fringe garden]

The mobility is kind of sad.. but this thing hits so damn hard.

[still hearth]

So

I'm the last survivor

And I kill so much

And then just as I'm about to ress

The game spawns 2 mutants and all enemies come to stop me

[fringe garden]

rekt

[still hearth]

The purge staff is actually hella clutch

I was fine until the two mutants because I could choke and circle around the area

The one thing the dueling sword shines at is running away

It was hilarious but at the end I really felt like "for real?"

Like the game was just dead set on not letting me clutch

I figure either of these should be okay to try out in Damnation?

[fresh reef]

👀

20 plasteel off of consecrating

[still hearth]

So how do I use the Voidstrike

[austere estuary]

oooh that's an interesting blessing combo

[austere estuary]

lots of secondary fire, full charge where possible aiming for heads in a line, if you need to stagger something sooner, let it rip sooner

[manic needle]

Minus the perk, the top one is pretty good

[austere estuary]

also the projectile on secondary is fat, don't be afraid to aim for heads of single mobs by aiming more up that usual in a hurry

[manic needle]

Just think of the Voidstrike as a railgun

Dont bother trying to deal damage with the explosion

[still hearth]

[austere estuary]

aiming just above cover with the secondary

is amazing on voidstrike

[manic needle]

Blast Radius is nice for stagger but really not that important

[austere estuary]

you'll usually clip some heads that are basically behind them

[still hearth]

I joined a game and the Voidstrike was not the best choice for the situation

[austere estuary]

voidstrike is never bad though

[still hearth]

2 people down and a plauge ogryn spawns with me and another Psyker

Then the other Psyker dies to something

[manic needle]

Except vs. monstrosities so yeah

Still you can fall back on BB spam

[austere estuary]

vs monstrosity you're usually better using melee and/or burst than most staffs, trauma can hit hard vs monsters, and purg is reliable at least while doing aoe

void is not as bad as surge v monsters still imo

[manic needle]

Using surge on MOnstrosities is griefing

[austere estuary]

since it's still easy enough to fire and blast monster and stagger others if you need to

like it's more niche than trauma and purg on monster but not without some niche

if you have barrage and some power bonuses, BB is even stronger again vs a monster when you have nothing else to hit urgently

[manic needle]

I'll always go with Kinetic Barrage on a voidstrike, AB is mostly redundant

[neat summit]

In low diff the purge staff stacks aren’t bad against monstros

I’d still just pull out my mk5 axe and get whackin

[austere estuary]

even in high if you have the crit to back it up it's still nice since you can stack some damage while moving and still stunning and melting hordes etc

[fierce sinew]

your melee weapon is almost always the highest damage choice if there aren't enough adds to worry about

[neat summit]

Yah we were experimenting with burn stacks the other day with a Psyker and 3 zealots, all fire. Those burn stacks shred

[austere estuary]

yup

I use shred + warp nesus

nexus

[fierce sinew]

I've been doing this lately and loving it

[neat summit]

Yah warp nexus cooks

[cyan notch]

well slug takes less damage to melee and you risk getting eaten and tail slapped and stepping on corruption goo

[neat summit]

Yah just stack burn and run

[manic needle]

At least you can only get eaten if you get the Vomit debuff though

[neat summit]

Try and lead it so your brain damaged veteran can shoot it’s back

[manic needle]

Meaning if you can manage to dodge the attack youll be safe

[cyan notch]

yea but youll still have to dodge its melees and avoid all the lava on the floor

[manic needle]

Yeah, I prefer to sit back and BB, easier and safer to kite even if there were a marginal drop in DPS

Psyker is already the squishiest class, no need to take unnecessary risks

Also Ive found that my ability to dodge the vomit attack is inconsistent. It's probably hardest on Psyker since you have the lowest dodge distance

[neat summit]

BB so good against monstros

[cyan notch]

if its looking at me i just assume its gonna spit and get ready to dodge sideways twice

[fierce sinew]

dodging problems with something that telegraphed are probably lag related and not dodge distance

[idle bay]

Questions:
This blessing and Antax MK V Axe. How good does this thing work? And how long that bonus lasts?

I mean +60% is not a joke.... does not supposed to be a joke

[manic needle]

Never had a T4 Thrust so I couldnt say

The overhead heavy does a nice chunk of damage

[idle bay]

Boss had 15% shield and 10% healh left. All gone in single chop 🙂

[summer prairie]

Wyck_xaos: it gives up to +60% power depending on how long you hold the heavy attack, so you get the full if you don't release it early

[cyan notch]

im pretty interested in bb dps vs bosses compared to purg

if only there was a way to test nicely

[clear heath]

So for the people recommending crit on purg staff, is that taking into account the fact that crits only double stacks on left click and not on right click?

[manic needle]

Possibly, I havent had any problems on my Zealot but I still get hit sometimes on my Psyker and Ogryn. Lag or skill issue, or both

[summer prairie]

Thrust on a thunder hammer however has fun boss damage

off-topic but yeah

[fringe garden]

Antax having a pretty fantastic overhand heavy attack makes Thrust pretty great on it, too

or overhead, I should say

Got Thrust and Limbsplitter on mine, making a fully charged heavy get +65% power. It bonks.

[fierce sinew]

kind of a bummer that force sword can't roll thrust

I don't think I'd swap out deflector+shred for it, but would be a neat option

[deft trench]

I should upload a clip of me rolling my trinket 319 times to get an t4 block efficiency on it to that "best clip" competition they just announced

[fierce sinew]

one imagines it would be more on flavor to thrust with sword than a hammer

[cyan notch]

the what competition

[fierce sinew]

do it

[manic needle]

edit the clip to increase the volume of the reroll sound, for emphasis

[deft trench]

Less of a competition i guess but a hastagh which theyll use to feature your clips on their chanels :v)

[fierce sinew]

rerolling your pointless rng perk roulette while you wait for the pointless rng shop to refresh is quality endgame content worth showcasing

[fringe garden]

i really enjoy the game a lot.. but I also feel like the itemization exists just to waste my time. Hard to convince myself to play more than a game or two here and there

Especially because I have decent stuff as it is

[deft trench]

Hey that 2% extra block efficiency means a lot to me ok

[fringe garden]

But by no means perfect

[fierce sinew]

I need to reroll for my block efficiency still too, I just don't have the psychological stamina to hear hadron gloat over my failure for the necessary interval of time

[deft trench]

my pride and joy

[fierce sinew]

really enjoying the game in mission and being frustrated outside is a pretty common view I think

[cyan notch]

pride and joy huh u really proud of that sprint efficiency i see

[austere estuary]

what's the most sprint efficiency we can possibly stack

60 from curios, can we get anywhere else? weapon maybe?

[deft trench]

I'd much rather have sprint efficiency over another useless dmg resist or dockets/xp lol

[austere estuary]

oh, we do have that uh

defense stat on duelling

[manic needle]

Yes you can

[austere estuary]

so another... 20? on weapon?

wonder if it's possible to have free sprinting

or close to

[manic needle]

I don't remember seeing 20% but 15% is T3 so it's probably possible.

[clear heath]

Wouldn't surprise me if sprint eff was multiplicative

[manic needle]

Or, if I have seen 20% I blocked out the trauma from rolling a T4 perk of sprint efficiency

[austere estuary]

okay ngl I kinda want to try it if nothing else it'd be nice for the start of levels

and novelty value is good

[clear heath]

Some people like memeing with sprint eff on zealot

since they take less damage while sprinting

meanwhile we take more

[austere estuary]

oh yeah

and vets taking most

[manic needle]

Veteran Sprint efficiency build, the ultimate meme

[austere estuary]

hahaha

[clear heath]

speedrun dying

[austere estuary]

actually

it would be great for using a sprint capable gun like shredder when speed clearing low diff

as well as duelling sword or whatever

[cyan notch]

knife

[austere estuary]

since those runs have you spend most of the time running

duelling sword goes same speed as knife

but also gets sprint cost reduction

and bigger dodge distance

[umbral cosmos]

Just got done w few heresy missions, starting to think surge staff is just not viable

[cyan notch]

knife goes faster charging heavy

[austere estuary]

oooooooh

so it does

how does that affect stamina I wonder

[clear heath]

Surge works fine in my damnation runs

[umbral cosmos]

Depends what you mean by fine

The role you have to end up playing sucks

[austere estuary]

knifing through levels I can see them nerfing since they nerfed the duel pokeslide

[umbral cosmos]

Crowd control and stuns on specials… Meh

[clear heath]

If you find it unsatisfying, that's fair

[austere estuary]

personal preferences

[clear heath]

but saying "not viable" is a stretch

[austere estuary]

I don't like surge

[umbral cosmos]

It’s certainly viable in the sense you can make it through missions

How much value is actually added to the team tho?

It’s like fine

[clear heath]

j_sat has like 3 vids of him duoing damnation runs with him using surge

[manic needle]

Strong CC vs. Elites and Specials, good damage vs. Scabs, especially useful vs. Scab shooters in cover

Can attack from behind cover

[austere estuary]

surge can slot into a team really well, but like most anything that's more specialised

[umbral cosmos]

Yeah I mean I can do them it’s just that it’s not much of a value adder

[clear heath]

Clearly it's enough value for the team if they can beat it with 2 people

[austere estuary]

like I see this kind of thing crop up time and again here

[manic needle]

Surge staff works fine, just have a backup weapon for horde clear since Surge isnt good against poxwalkers and groaners

[umbral cosmos]

Compared to other classes? I think everybody would rather have another vet or zealot instead of a surge staff psyker js

[manic needle]

Not at all

[austere estuary]

"but X setup can't do Y thing!" like yeah, that's the nature of the beast, more specialised = better at one thing, can work brilliantly when in the right slot

[manic needle]

Spamming surge vs. dreg shooters is fantastic for example

[clear heath]

Idk, i always appreciate a surge staff user on the team

[austere estuary]

Yeah I don't really want more than one vet tbh

[manic needle]

Someone who is good with surge CC does work

[austere estuary]

two at most

[manic needle]

• no stagger on the CC unlike stagger tanking with Ogryn

[umbral cosmos]

I know how to play the class and do damnation runs yea yea I know

[cyan notch]

one time there was a surge on my team when i was using purg and i was so happy until it turns out he spent most of the time with his hands out spamming bbs

[austere estuary]

[umbral cosmos]

Surge + purg is a winning combo

[austere estuary]

this is the point we're all missing

[clear heath]

1 vet + 1 surge psyker is enough to duo damnation
I don't think 2 vets would have had as easy of a time doing it

[austere estuary]

the most important thing by far is not what setup someone brings

but if they're capable

like that makes the biggest difference

[idle bay]

This one have a potential. Just Warp Flurry bessing and Crit chance perk and it's good

[austere estuary]

I haven't been able to work out flurry having any effect on purg

is there something I'm missing?

nexus great though

also great stat line

[idle bay]

Crit means 2 stacks of Soulfire

[austere estuary]

though the perk is essentially pointless

[austere estuary]

flurry

crit is nexus

[clear heath]

People keep saying this, but they never point out that it's only for left click and not for right click

[idle bay]

Ah Nexus 🙂 Confusing those two

[manic needle]

I dont even know that I have a Purgatus with Flurry to test it, but the animation is even longer than Surge staff so I have my doubts that the buff from the blessing lasts long enough to build stacks

[idle bay]

There is nothing else really among Blessing to wish for for Purgatus.

[austere estuary]

terrifying barrage, focused channeling

[clear heath]

Not saying nexus is bad. It's great cause it's global and gives crit for your melee

[umbral cosmos]

There’s v few blessings to hope for on staff period

[clear heath]

But people recommend crit even for perks

[austere estuary]

void gets a lot of good blessings

surge, nexus, flurry, peril transfer all v v strong

[idle bay]

Void is a special case 🙂

[austere estuary]

trauma gets nexus, focused, run'n'gun lets you sprint while channelling on it even

[deft trench]

Void and Purg are the only staffs i even consider for heresy+

[austere estuary]

I use trauma more than any other staff in damnation

trauma then purg second, and sometimes void

[deft trench]

Trauma is fun but its just too expensive for me, too low uptime on the explotions

[austere estuary]

uptime is fine imo

given the power of it

pairing it with a good melee option that is capable of some decent single target murder and you're set

[deft trench]

Fair enough, in mission though yo won't always have time to stare at your peril % and not move the mouse lol

[austere estuary]

I don't stare

and I move the mouse a tonne

it's pretty much fixed timing

[deft trench]

Keep talking like this and fs won't buff it

[austere estuary]

so you get it into muscle memory quickly

uh oh

I'd like them to fix the blessings on it that don't work/are vaguely pointless though

like if blazing soul applied more stacks and worked on the secondary

and if warp flurry worked

[manic needle]

"we were going to make balance changes, but then we read a discord channel and some people said it was fine the way it is so we changed our plans"

Well it IS Fatshark so maybe?

[fresh reef]

crying rn

[deft trench]

I've played games from other developers where they've nerfed things because the 1% of a playerbase makes good use of something so i don't think its a stretch lol

[austere estuary]

man I still can't work out if precog works when not out or not

if it does I feel like it has a kind of benefit but...

[manic needle]

I trust you are pleased, varlet?

[austere estuary]

man when you're spamming rerolls

and get the fiftieth poxhound damage roll

and Hadron keeps trolling

she enjoys it

btw that blessing about second and third volley shots

so it kind of works but kind of doesn't I think with your primary

this one

[alpine portal]

with void and purga should I quell just enough to get another shot off or quell to zero?

[austere estuary]

oh no it does just actually work wit the primary

[warped perch]

Do you guys run toughness or health? I’m running toughness

[austere estuary]

for purg just take yourself to either 80 from 100 to do a full charge, or to 90 if you want a shorter sharge

[clear heath]

I run toughness

[austere estuary]

I run toughness but I'm planning to swap to: 2 hp trinkets, 1 toughness trinket, 3 toughness perks 3 hp perks

[alpine portal]

2 health and one tough no wound on t4. idk im kinda going back and forth on the wound tho

[austere estuary]

since health and toughness as perks are the same

but blessings gives you much more health

[austere estuary]

so plan should be 17+15 toughness, then 60~63+12~15 health

for me

[clear heath]

I've been playing with 2 tough 1 stamina curios as practice for when they finally fix stamina curios so i can meme with +3 stam

[austere estuary]

stam for deflection?

[clear heath]

If they actually just change the text and don't buff the curio, i'll just switch to 2 tough 1 hp

[alpine portal]

so good and so bad at the same time?

[austere estuary]

this is excellent

[clear heath]

Stamina buffs peril block so i want to experience peril blocking with massive amounts of stamina

[austere estuary]

stam + deflector is what you want

and warp res low is good in many cases

[clear heath]

wtf this is insane

[alpine portal]

yah but that 1 t and warp... I bough it becasue why not

[austere estuary]

like I said

low warp res is actually ideal for FS imo

[clear heath]

If you get slaughterer on your other blessing, that's like my dream force sword

[austere estuary]

you get the 5-15% bonus from feat on FS normals

but FS normally can't pump peril

but with low warp res, 2-3 casts and you're maxed

[alpine portal]

I mean this is my current sword

[austere estuary]

and if you quickswap after each cast you can do it very quickly

new one better imo aside from deflector rank

obv depending on blessing

[clear heath]

Yeah i would just use the new one

[austere estuary]

shred is amazing

[clear heath]

the stats are just so much better

[alpine portal]

ill upgrade becasue Im doing nothing else rn

[alpine portal]

I though it was just fs charged

[austere estuary]

ooooooh, sustained fire works like

if you do a void secondary

and then a primary

[clear heath]

imo somewhere around 20-40% warp res on FS is ideal.
I want it to generate peril but i also want to be able to use it twice and still cast sometimes

[scarlet bear]

Wish I had deflector

[austere estuary]

the primary does get the bonus

hmm

normal primary 158 on reaper back, 170 on lvl 1 volley

or maybe only sometimes...? this is tough to get consistant

yeah you gotta mash

[alpine portal]

its fun but so is dueling sword

[mighty pike]

Duelling sword also feels more able to kill the rabble

[alpine portal]

fs NEEDS to use heavy attacks. light is almost useless

[mighty pike]

It's torture

[austere estuary]

light 3 is excellent

on heads

very high damage for the speed of it

[ornate hamlet]

Fuck, I want something like that.

[sharp obsidian]

Not the best but this gets the job done for me

[austere estuary]

FS is reliant on a few things - 5-15% peril buff, hitting heads, having max or close to on all 3 damage bars

[mighty pike]

I like this

[alpine portal]

it was a gift from the great servotor