Once you get used to Heresy, Malice will feel like a joke, it's a big step up. Damnation is almost an equal step up in size as well, so many more specials. You wonder why on malice there's so many empty ammo crates? yeah you need the bullets in T5.
#psyker-class
hot zephyr
mighty pike
the "jump" part begins during the windup of it, not just when they're in the air
north cradle
No need to think about it, but if you really want, you can charge up a Brain Burst as long as you want before cracking the skull
blazing oak
do this on lower difficulties too get the 1shot bb. when hear dog, do the charge bb, not the lock on, then just get the timing down and hope your team is too incompetent to shoot the dog
every single psyker specific penance can be failed by your team being competent change my mind
hot zephyr
every single psyker specific penance can be failed by your team being competent ...
P much. Almost all psyker penances are essentially "you clutched the round for your team, here's a sticker"
mighty pike
every single psyker specific penance can be failed by your team being competent ...
ive got Malleus Monstronum twice but both times a zealot took the last hit for no reason
north cradle
Halfway decent Sharpshooter deletes your Pick N Mix
Any team can fuck your Malleus Monstronum
If you're playing normally, you will NEVER get Going Out With a Bang
mighty pike
P much. Almost all psyker penances are essentially "you clutched the round for y...
alternatively: "you were a giant inconvenience. Thanks for playing"
brittle crest
Once you get used to Heresy, Malice will feel like a joke, it's a big step up. D...
i love not having to worry about ammo tbh LOL
sonic aspen
And now I have to get ready for work after just rolling for a while to get this perk 
north cradle
Noice
sonic aspen
I shall get to use it later hopefully
blazing oak
Halfway decent Sharpshooter deletes your Pick N Mix
Any team can fuck your Mall...
Teammates shoot the dog before it pounces, ruined. Teammates kill your cliffhanger enemies, ruined. Team kills all your bb targets, warp battery ruined (least likely but possible)
hot zephyr
i love not having to worry about ammo tbh LOL
In t4 and t5 Brain Burst is much less effective due to it's flat damage not being able to 1 hit and many mobs not even 2 hitting them, so that's why guns suddenly have value at those levels, because they give you instant-damage with no charge time vs your BB which needs charge time up front
I'm not saying you need a gun, you can play whatever you want, but guns actually become more valuable because of instant damage availability instead of having to charge up
blazing oak
Other classes can have these types but it’s either not all of their penances or the penances can be consistently a lot like Ogryn box in the eye
elfin crystal
the penances are just badly designed in general. they designed them so you get them if you clutch a situation, but in any other situation, you'd be throwing the game for you team. they just didn't think them through for more than 5 seconds
blazing oak
Does anyone else use cerebral lacerations
hot zephyr
Does anyone else use cerebral lacerations
I tried so hard to make it work with KF as a combo, but it's jsut awful.
blazing oak
the penances are just badly designed in general. they designed them so you get t...
I got the 20 person cliffhanger back in the beta, and the only way was a pug team that were compliant and a very specific area
I shouldn’t need to do that
hot zephyr
Your veteran doesn't need a 15% dmg boost to murder a reaper/bulwark if they are paying attention when you crack them open
blazing oak
Achievements that require a team should award it to the entire team
elfin crystal
going out with a bang can happen if your team is absolutely getting shit faced and you get lucky enough that you are blowing up and don't get killed strait up
blazing oak
Your veteran doesn't need a 15% dmg boost to murder a reaper/bulwark if they are...
It’s not for elites, it’s for bosses
elfin crystal
yeah beta cliffhanger was ass
brittle crest
In t4 and t5 Brain Burst is much less effective due to it's flat damage not bein...
ahh ic, i always thought gun psyker builds were kind of a meme but i've never tried it out.. what talents/guns do you use? (i guess there is also a build that is pinned)
elfin crystal
like, you had to go for a specific ledge and you needed someone to bait shit for you
blazing oak
ahh ic, i always thought gun psyker builds were kind of a meme but i've never tr...
There’s a Reddit post that is a laspistol tank build with the warp block feat
elfin crystal
surge is mostly a cc stick unless you go full crit
brittle crest
There’s a Reddit post that is a laspistol tank build with the warp block feat
o snap i'll have to check it out
blazing oak
surge is mostly a cc stick unless you go full crit
Yeah that’s why I take cerebral lacerations because I’m bb’ing bosses anyways
elfin crystal
fair enough
lament topaz
Might play my Psyker since I don’t think I can have many hitreg issues with staves and bb.
Or is it staffs?
sonic aspen
the only thing that has weird projectiles is staff M1 for staves that aren't the purge
I swear I get weird hit regs for it
blazing oak
Hey what’s your time zone? To coordinate
hot zephyr
ahh ic, i always thought gun psyker builds were kind of a meme but i've never tr...
Honestly, because nothing in feats really synergizes with guns that much, it's more a question of what are you taking with it.
Ask yourself:
- Do you wanna peril block or not?
- How are you going utilize your warp charge stacks? (keep/sustain? or dump for benefit like Ascendant Blaze)
- How will you gain Warp Charges? (will you actively BB? Use Communion + Horde clear?)
I personally use 321112 right now with my gun, (or 311112 when I use Force Sword + Gun) because those things synergize with how I answer those questions
- Yes, I want to gain peril for quietitude to quell and recover my toughness passively
- I will dump my charges for extra horde-clear power from F
- I will gain charges using Communion and sustain them with occasional brain bursts until I'm ready to dump with AB
still hearth
Why run gun Psyker instead of playing Vet though?
rigid blade
Why run gun Psyker instead of playing Vet though?
BB.
still hearth
sonic aspen
I assume because of soul blaze crowds
hot zephyr
Why run gun Psyker instead of playing Vet though?
Variance of playstyle. I can't run 10 missions in a row with purg or surge staff, it's mind numbing
still hearth
But the whole point seemed to be to use guns because BB is too bad
still hearth
Variance of playstyle. I can't run 10 missions in a row with purg or surge staff...
Truth. I'm class swapping a lot atm tbf
blazing oak
Why run gun Psyker instead of playing Vet though?
Tank psyker according to a Reddit person
rigid blade
But the whole point seemed to be to use guns because BB is too bad
For me it’s just my dislike of most of the staves
still hearth
Tank psyker according to a Reddit person
Someone said Psyker is better in melee than Zealot so 
brittle crest
Why run gun Psyker instead of playing Vet though?
honestly cause i don't have the patience/time to level an alt and do the weekly melk stuff on two chars for me 
rigid blade
Someone said Psyker is better in melee than Zealot so <:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322...
Force Sword is known for its OP as hell CC
regal jasper
Whats the meta build
hot zephyr
But the whole point seemed to be to use guns because BB is too bad
BB does fall off a lot in T4/T5, but it's still extremely useful. It just doesn't kill the mid-tier elites like ragers, dogs, etc in one shot, so a gun really helps be 911 in that situation
rigid blade
BB does fall off a lot in T4/T5, but it's still extremely useful. It just doesn'...
Plus you can start charging on an elite and duck into cover
still hearth
honestly cause i don't have the patience/time to level an alt and do the weekly ...
Fair enough. I've barely got mine all to 30 now (200+ hours)
still hearth
Force Sword is known for its OP as hell CC
How do you force sword properly
rigid blade
How do you force sword properly
I was joking bout that part
still hearth
BB does fall off a lot in T4/T5, but it's still extremely useful. It just doesn'...
Makes sense. Ammo preservation is nice to have. It's just hard to ignore how good the good staves are and you're mostly playing a gimped Vet
blazing oak
I wonder if the protectorate psyker class in the files is like Saltzpyre warrior priest shield ability
still hearth
But guns are good so
As a Zealot main we're so used to just being melee but guns are actually just insanely strong
hot zephyr
Makes sense. Ammo preservation is nice to have. It's just hard to ignore how goo...
I see it as a different role. Vet wants to be blasting away like the 4th of july all the time. Gun Psyker is really Support Psyker who happens to carry a gun to provide a burst-damage output source.
still hearth
Do psykers get braced autoguns?
hot zephyr
No
blazing oak
As a Zealot main we're so used to just being melee but guns are actually just in...
Bleach zealot or Gatorade zealot
timid storm
Anyone got any tips for the "going out with a bang" or "pick and mix" penances
im struggling with those
blazing oak
I have no idea what that means ngl
Some week ago some psykers were discussing stuff in this channel and then suddenly water zealot was a thing and then the question I asked you was written by someone else
hot zephyr
im struggling with those
We're all struggling with those. they are genuinely hard, even with a group helping you.
near wyvern
Anyone got any tips for the "going out with a bang" or "pick and mix" penances
The number 1 tip is get friends
blazing oak
Anyone got any tips for the "going out with a bang" or "pick and mix" penances
Commsplex throneside espionage mission the entrance to the elevator room is a decent place to try either, but yeah, need friends
:(
still hearth
Some week ago some psykers were discussing stuff in this channel and then sudden...
Gatorade sounds more hype so lets go with that
timid storm
Oh rip. Im not looking forward to doing the last brainburst one....
blazing oak
Do you wanna team up to hunt for them because FS made it so that you need a premade to do private solo matches :l
timid storm
id be down, I cant rn but definitely
blazing oak
Yeah I can’t right now either
Someone else offered to help me with malleus too so that could be a three person team
hot zephyr
As kind of a primer how I see the ranged weapon slot of a psyker:
- Surge is a CC machine, you give up damage in exchange for massive stunlock
- Purge is a horde clear and boss clear machine, but you suck at long-range, so large open areas are a problem for you
- Void is an artillery cannon, you do massive DPS, but need time and space to charge up
- Recon Lasgun is a horde clear, you give up elite/armoured/boss damage, but you rip hordes and unarmored targets apart at any range
- Infantry Autoguns give elite killing burst damage potential, but suck at hordes are are hard to DPS a single target, you also need to manage your ammo carefully
- Kantral Lasguns give you sustained damage potential, but leave you vulnerable to hordes and burst-damage situations like bursters or dogs.
They are all tradeoffs, none better than the other unless you have personal preference. So what you bring will always have a strength and a weakness.
spice oar
As kind of a primer how I see the ranged weapon slot of a psyker:
- Surge is a C...
and trauma is the wooden stick
hot zephyr
We don't talk about Trauma staff
still hearth
As kind of a primer how I see the ranged weapon slot of a psyker:
- Surge is a C...
If you talk about using guns to horde clear other than flamer in Zealot chat we'll purge you.
spice oar
We don't talk about Trauma staff
i just want more than 3 staves...
blazing oak
If you talk about using guns to horde clear other than flamer in Zealot chat we'...
Opinion on Chainaxe
still hearth
Whiplash
near wyvern
We don't talk about Trauma staff
Shh. Don't summon the demons
still hearth
The chainaxe would probably be used if it didn't throw your camera around
ornate hamlet
As kind of a primer how I see the ranged weapon slot of a psyker:
- Surge is a C...
brauto
shreds elites and specials except for the ogryns, shreds hordes, shreds even at range if you tap fire
blazing oak
Its overall okay
Alright. But also darktide has no polearms and that is bad
ornate hamlet
yes
still hearth
Alright. But also darktide has no polearms and that is bad
I agree. We need longer weapons.
Chainspear
lament topaz
I'm perfectly fine with my ball staff.
blazing oak
#endswordsupremacy #swordsoverrated
lament topaz
But parry.
still hearth
For Zealots we've realized that melee is pretty similar overall and overpowered weapons aren't that OP if you actually look at what they do, they just feel more effective than they are.
But people use melees wrong all the time.
The crusher for Zealot is bonkers though
lament topaz
On my vet I use knife.
hot zephyr
shreds elites and specials except for the ogryns, shreds hordes, shreds even at ...
Not sure what a Brauto is. Perhaps you mean the burst-fire headhunter autoguns?
ornate hamlet
Not sure what a Brauto is. Perhaps you mean the burst-fire headhunter autoguns?
braced autoguns
lament topaz
Why? Because fuck literally everything else that's why.
hot zephyr
braced autoguns
Psyker's don't get braced autogun
ornate hamlet
Psyker's don't get braced autogun
why not, zealot gets them
hot zephyr
We aren't cool enough apparently
blazing oak
Because I don’t want more guns clogging my armory
hot zephyr
While it would be neat to have the Braced Autogun on a Psyker, I feel like Purgatus staff does a similar role, and it probably would compete with it
spice oar
3 new ranged, 2 new melee. what are they?
hot zephyr
It's kinda the spray-like-a-firehose weapon
blazing oak
3 new ranged, 2 new melee. what are they?
Force spear
near wyvern
Would be neat to get shotguns like in the closed beta
spice oar
Force spear
true true. counterpoint. force halberd
still hearth
Braced autogun is surprisingly accurate and just murders elites and specials.
blazing oak
true true. counterpoint. force halberd
Have you seen my profile picture. It is a halberd. I only did not suggest because spears are more palatable to the sword brainwashed masses
still hearth
Also insane stagger for some reason.
hot zephyr
Braced autogun is surprisingly accurate and just murders elites and specials.
It also chews through ammo like a Beast of Nurgle
blazing oak
@spice oar here’s one of the 3 ranged weapons. Upgraded Bolter https://preview.redd.it/d7tq1jdr3baa1.jpg?width=2202&format=pjpg&auto=webp&v=enabled&s=215300c647fb7ef59200688f028b8f5249992501
still hearth
It also chews through ammo like a Beast of Nurgle
Its more ammo efficient than all the other autoguns, the Agripa, specifically
spice oar
<@735561272883413075> here’s one of the 3 ranged weapons. Upgraded Bolter https...
kinda icky loocking tbh
blazing oak
kinda icky loocking tbh
still hearth
If you're using anything but Agripa autoguns its definitely meh.
spice oar
what about throwing knives? force propelled?
blazing oak
If it’s a melee special ok
spice oar
https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/104dkvu/i_took_your_ideas_from_the_bo...
the last one lmao
blazing oak
I want a psyker protectorate class focused weapon but I don’t know what defensive psyker weapon looks like @spice oar
Ranged*
undone quiver
How do you use the voidstrike? Is there a strategy for it?
Vent cancel to spam heavies is silly, but idk how I'm sposed to use that
spice oar
Ranged*
maybe a staff that leaves a sanctified ground that gives boosts or ranged fire bubble thing
smthn like the beastman banner from v2
near wyvern
What on earth is the purpose of devil's claw special? It is basically a single target block with a single target counter attack that doesn't even deal that much damage and it doesn't even negate the block cost.
blazing oak
smthn like the beastman banner from v2
Fun fact: during the American civil war a Union flag bearer charged over the front line, battled a confederate flag bearer and took the flag back to his side
spice oar
Banner warfare ok
want my commisar cosplay to be on par with Yarrick
blazing oak
Psyker commisar weird
austere estuary
Shh. Don't summon the demons
am I the demons john
spice oar
Psyker commisar weird
weird but cool
austere estuary
I should probably set up a ping for trauma staff and a premade copy paste
blazing oak
No
spice oar
yes
hot zephyr
I should probably set up a ping for trauma staff and a premade copy paste
You'll be like the candyman for Trauma Staff
austere estuary
hahaha
Trauma staff doorstop sales psyker
don't need a foot in the door when you can hold it with your miiiind
hot zephyr
don't need a foot in the door when you can hold it with your miiiind
You have a Trauma staff, no need to worry about the door. Just blast a hole in the floor
austere estuary
lament topaz
When I get home from school, it do be Psyker time because it's the only class I can play that doesn't suffer from massive hitreg issues.
Thank you FS for making a game I've spent 60 bucks on and can barely play.
spice oar
did you buy the deluxe|?
royal wraith
Thank you FS for making a game I've spent 60 bucks on and can barely play.
no good internet? 
lament topaz
No, I bought it on sale then some cosmetics.
royal wraith
(genuinely tho, never had this issue)
spice oar
No, I bought it on sale then some cosmetics.
well, the cosmetics work
fluid sun
What on earth is the purpose of devil's claw special? It is basically a single t...
Negates the damage of that attack, so you can “block” like a crusher hit. For psyker not so great unless you have impact blessings, but preacher could have i@pact feats that turn the parry into aoe knock back since the attack can cleave
spice oar
problem solved
lament topaz
It's not that my internet isn't bad, but my bandwidth gets choked up by my family watching Netflix.
blazing oak
Report family to your nearest commisar problem solved
royal wraith
It's not that my internet isn't bad, but my bandwidth gets choked up by my famil...
that might be the issue
lament topaz
Doesn't help that the way my internet works is it's a satellite dish that beams down into a hub of sorts that sends the wifi to the houses it's connected to.
blazing oak
For inhibiting heretic purging
austere estuary
oh god
satellite net plus shared connection
sounds like nightmare combo for gaming
are you also on wifi ?
lament topaz
It's supposedly a 150 mb/s connection.
royal wraith
yea man no wonder you cant hit shit
lament topaz
Yes.
austere estuary
oh god
blazing oak
Is that really FS’ fault?
lament topaz
It's a bunch of bad competing with each other.
austere estuary
that's like a networking summoning circle
hot zephyr
It's supposedly a 150 mb/s connection.
Speed isn't your problem. It's your ping.
royal wraith
It's supposedly a 150 mb/s connection.
if theres 3 people in the house watching on 4k thats just gone
guessing theyre also on the phone at the same time because reasons
lament topaz
Is that really FS’ fault?
I don't have this issue in any other game.
austere estuary
Is that really FS’ fault?
ping and ping stability along with dropped packets, plus choked connection is really gonna mess shit up
not meant to reply
sorry ice
blazing oak
lament topaz
It's one TV, a couple phones, a laptop or two and then my PC.
austere estuary
hot zephyr
I play over wifi with no issues, if you have a non-shit wifi setup (I have commerical grade Wifi 6E gear) you can't tell the difference
lament topaz
I talked about it in Vet chat and they said that if FS increased I think it was the amount of traffic/packets would help?
austere estuary
but yeah bandwidth/speed doesn't really have any bearing on your ping, other than if your up and/or downstream are choked
royal wraith
It's one TV, a couple phones, a laptop or two and then my PC.
so like 6 devices + 1990s sattelite dish
no wonder hiteg is ass
lament topaz
Cause I get about 70-100 ping.
hot zephyr
If you have a $40 wifi G+ modem or something that's 10 years old, yeah of course it's gunna be terrible.
lament topaz
Even with all of them doing their video/movie streaming.
royal wraith
thats pretty bad for FPS
blazing oak
Whatever the case fatsharks servers are weird. When I was at my family’s get together holiday house with legitimately unstable internet, I never got a disconnect that wasn’t the internet’s fault. But now that I’m back at my house with stable internet, I get server disconnection error codes
royal wraith
great but apparently it still isnt enough
austere estuary
the only way you can make a connection resilient, reliable and minimum latency is to be wired in, and even then you still need to watch out for bad wiring sometimes
lament topaz
Pennsylvania to Arkansas isn't a nice connection because no one likes connecting to Central servers.
royal wraith
Even connecting to friends in other states.
america moment
austere estuary
there's obviously always some degree of "feels fine for me" in the same way as high/low fps, laggy screen or not etc etc
blazing oak
Why is it today that pc gamers treat FPS like 60 is crap and 90+ or something is standard and then whenever a game is 60 FPS and not their 120 I see whiners on Reddit (not surprising) and I just feel like it’s entitlement
royal wraith
im in germany playing with a dude in wales and theres also no issues
and that line has to cross a damn channel
lament topaz
I have 60 FPS all the time, it's not hardware lag.
Like, my client fully registers the hit, the servers just suck dick.
near wyvern
and that line has to cross a damn channel
Yeah but it might be fiberrrr in the middle
blazing oak
No I mean like these days online I see people treating 60 FPS like it’s garbage
austere estuary
potential good talisman pog
austere estuary
Why is it today that pc gamers treat FPS like 60 is crap and 90+ or something is...
because standards go up over time
royal wraith
Yeah but it might be fiberrrr in the middle
probably, but id reckon america is further with internet expansion than germany
blazing oak
because standards go up over time
Yes but when a game drops it to 60 FPS people online treat it like it’s unplayable
near wyvern
potential good talisman pog
- exp and + ordo dockets for next perks
north cradle
Weirdly enough I play just fine with friends in Britain, Germany, and Sicily. Ireland, though? Forget about it
blazing oak
Me being the mac gamer I was for a long time never saw any big FPS
lament topaz
I tried getting my parents to switch to the fiber optic that our power company does, but they prefer it when I can't play my games.
near wyvern
probably, but id reckon america is further with internet expansion than germany ...
I live in Finland and we have fiber all the way to the Arctic circle 
north cradle
Me being the mac gamer I was for a long time never saw any big FPS
Could've had Halo
blazing oak
Weirdly enough I play just fine with friends in Britain, Germany, and Sicily. Ir...
Hey if you’re still serious about the malleus thing what is your timezone?
north cradle
Pacific
austere estuary
I grew up playing OoT at what, 15-20 fps, and shadow of the colossus on ps2 with its comedy fps and thought nothing of it. Even played UT2004 on a weak rig at 25-30FPS.
But I get when people expect better, and after you get used to better, going back down is jarring for a while
north cradle
All you and I need to do is find a Daemonhost, I draw its aggro, and sit in a corner while you tear its ass up
blazing oak
Yeah
austere estuary
people get hyperbolic about it ("I can't play at 30 or my ass climbs through my torso and shits out my mouth" level nonsense) but I think it's a good thing for standards to climb
blazing oak
All you and I need to do is find a Daemonhost, I draw its aggro, and sit in a co...
The one time I organized that successfully I realized I was playing on Malice
With pugs
north cradle
Nice job
austere estuary
Could've had Halo
still crazy to think
lament topaz
I unironically can't play the game I spent 60 bucks on.
austere estuary
wonder if things would've been different if halo had blown up on mac had apple not snubbed them
north cradle
Canuck bucks? Because this cost $40 USD
lament topaz
Like, fuck's sake, I'll just go back to playing Warframe because I don't get any lag playing with people on Xbox.
blazing oak
Canuck bucks? Because this cost $40 USD
Imperial edition probably
lament topaz
40 plus 20 in cosmetics.
north cradle
Oof okay
lament topaz
So 60.
near wyvern
I grew up playing OoT at what, 15-20 fps, and shadow of the colossus on ps2 with...
This is the biggest thing TBF. Once you get used to higher refresh rate, be that from 30 to 60, 60 to 100, 100 to 144, it's hard to go back. Same with screen width, 4:3 to 16:9 to 21:9.
austere estuary
This is the biggest thing TBF. Once you get used to higher refresh rate, be that...
yup - I sometimes think, "I'll crank settings and lock to 60" or whatever and ... I always end up going back to higher
north cradle
I have tried 240 and I don't notice an appreciable difference compared to 144. 21:9, don't really care
austere estuary
that said, 16:10 
lament topaz
But there's nothing I can do because my parents want me to have a slower/worse connection so I spend less time on my PC.
austere estuary
I have tried 240 and I don't notice an appreciable difference compared to 144. 2...
could also be due to pixel response times at that point too
blazing oak
Yeah I mean I don’t see the difference is significant between 60 and higher on comparison videos I find
lament topaz
Like, motherfuckers I cannot decompress from my school days because I can't play my games please get us better internet I will sell my goddamn kidneys if I have to.
near wyvern
I have 100 Hz at 21:9 (3440x1440) and it's glorious
austere estuary
I actually wish 75 was a normal standard too
blazing oak
Like, motherfuckers I cannot decompress from my school days because I can't play...
Single player
austere estuary
75 is a significant jump from 60 in smoothness, and used to be the norm for CRTs before LCDs came along
but since 60 and multiples are a standard now for most screens and online video serving, gotta stick to em
for streaming/yt at least
oh actually though
I might be fine with 60 again if I got a small enough screen
blazing oak
I think y’all would have a FPS heart attack with what I always had to have
austere estuary
smaller screen = smaller distance between frames
lament topaz
Single player
If I wasn’t a gamer that prefers to play games with friends that would work.
blazing oak
Even my pc is a pc laptop and not the desk bound
blazing oak
If I wasn’t a gamer that prefers to play games with friends that would work.
Fair, but it is an option
near wyvern
I have tried 240 and I don't notice an appreciable difference compared to 144. 2...
There is a limit to what eyes can differentiate for changing lights, once you go high enough in refresh rate you hit diminishing returns.
austere estuary
I can play games at 15-20, doesn't mean I like to anymore 
lament topaz
I can play literally every game other than DT without issue.
austere estuary
There is a limit to what eyes can differentiate for changing lights, once you go...
sort of yes sort of no, strobing and fast pixel response make an impact
lament topaz
It’s something up with their servers.
blazing oak
I can play literally every game other than DT without issue.
A previous comment of yours said games plural
lament topaz
Did I say games plural?
blazing oak
Also trackpad gamer anyone? Playing FPS games with it
north cradle
I think I read an article of Navy fighter pilots being able to pick out single frame blips at 200 FPS, give or take
austere estuary
I tried 60Hz with both strobed backlight and software BFI, man the motion was SO crisp
lament topaz
I might’ve anger typed a plural on accident.
blazing oak
Like, motherfuckers I cannot decompress from my school days because I can't play...
This comment says games and that you can’t decompress
lament topaz
Oh yeah, that was an anger typo.
north cradle
Also trackpad gamer anyone? Playing FPS games with it
My trackpad disables my keyboard in-game if I'm clicking and pressing two keys so no lol
austere estuary
but brightness was in the floor and the software BFI caused image retention for a bit on the LCD
blazing oak
My trackpad disables my keyboard in-game if I'm clicking and pressing two keys s...
Dunno what you’re using then
open vault
What are the good psyker weapons?
I've been having luck with all axes but the rashad. Force sword was kinda weak, but I just found one with the slaughter blessing which looks pretty busted if I do say so myself
blazing oak
But I wish that gaming communities wouldn’t explode when you mention laptop trackpad gaming in anything other than games with infinite time like turn based ones
north cradle
Dunno what you’re using then
G402
lament topaz
Based.
lament topaz
I’ve got the 502 Hero.
hot zephyr
What are the good psyker weapons?
I've been having luck with all axes but the r...
For melee: Antax, Force Sword, Chainsword, Dueling Sword are all good in their own ways. Depends what you want from it. (Anti-horde, anti-elite, defensive/blocker, etc)
austere estuary
mk5 combat axe, and the tac axes with the right paired other weapon
blazing oak
Like for example there are posts on valorant asking why laptop trackpads don’t work in the game and every response is just slamming the op for using laptop trackpad
austere estuary
I used a force sword and a tac axe a lot of the time
neat summit
Mk5 axe is pog af
lament topaz
Well, yeah, why would use a trackpad in a CoMpEtItIvE FpS GaMe TM?
I hate Valorant, personally.
blazing oak
Well, yeah, why would use a trackpad in a CoMpEtItIvE FpS GaMe TM?
Yep. Can’t think that maybe their mouse is unavailable and they just want to see the game’s tutorial or that casual gaming exists and that trackpad people can actually have skill
You mention anyone with any skill in trackpad and people will think they are the god emperor
austere estuary
force sword has great perks
- 360 degree push
- mega strong push attack that can knock crushers on their asses
- very strong blessings like: slaughterer; executor; shred; deflector; unstable power; to a lesser degree but still fun, blazing soul
lament topaz
My brother in Christ I don’t play comp games.
blazing oak
I hate Valorant, personally.
Yeah I don’t play valorant
austere estuary
and ofc the special being great at both ccing and killing elites
lament topaz
I hate doing PVP in games.
blazing oak
My brother in Christ I don’t play comp games.
If you play tf2, remember when faceit tried to make their own matchmaking which flopped because they didn’t understand that tf2 casual isn’t just unranked competitive like all other FPS games these days
lament topaz
Especially in like, DayZ or Rust, games where it’s optional.
neat summit
Rust PvP optional? Kek
lament topaz
If you play tf2, remember when faceit tried to make their own matchmaking which ...
Not quite that old to remember that. I started a month or two before muting free players started.
blazing oak
Not quite that old to remember that. I started a month or two before muting free...
Oof new player you missed the bot free days
I started back in 2015
austere estuary
only played TF2 for a while around the time it released
lament topaz
By a slight margin.
blazing oak
Kinda wish valve would just step up and admit that they don’t want to major update tf2 anymore
lament topaz
Star Citizen is another game that I hate the PVP in.
near wyvern
Is the game even out yet?
lament topaz
Yesn’t.
near wyvern
Or still in some weird early access state
slow karma
I didn't even realize it was even in a playable enough state for pvp to even be a concern
lament topaz
It is when the netcode wants to work.
slow karma
There's a case study in that game.
blazing oak
Star Citizen is another game that I hate the PVP in.
Hey I saw the game has dropships what kind of land battles does the game have
austere estuary
ready for disappointment? 
lament topaz
You can have infantry, vehicle battles stuff like that.
austere estuary
okay actually
blazing oak
I want game where you can be a dropship pilot :)
lament topaz
But that’s only usually only during like, Jump Town, stuff like that.
blazing oak
You know they probably don’t want to release crafting because any improvement to the system chips away at the nonexistent progression behind the quest for loot
blazing oak
If they gave what some players wanted where you could pick your blessings and perks exactly than there would be no more endgame and then everyone would leave their incomplete game
lament topaz
Anything a big game like this does is for money or play time.
“Oh we didn’t finish our game, but here’s our fully functioning item shop where you pay us real money.”
blazing oak
Anything a big game like this does is for money or play time.
Which is funny because actually releasing a good product along with your monetization wouldn’t bring in more money???
lament topaz
You’d think, but it’s churn out there cheapest shit you can for the highest price you can put on it.
Look at CoD recently.
Or Battlefield.
austere estuary
last I recall
sterile vale
Thanks emps
lament topaz
Overwatch 2.
austere estuary
cod and battlefield are incredibly expensive to develop games
with giant budgets
lament topaz
And they still release like shit.
austere estuary
not sure 'cheapest shit you can' fits
blazing oak
Like I have no understanding why FS would release a game that lost 90% of players in a month and a half after release especially when FatShark has Nothing else to support them if darktide dies
VT2 is at the end of its dlc cycle
lament topaz
Remember when games used to work on release and be fully done?
austere estuary
Thanks emps
surge 
austere estuary
Remember when games used to work on release and be fully done?
remember before you were born when games released buggy and stayed buggy forever
lament topaz
Like I have no understanding why FS would release a game that lost 90% of player...
They literally could’ve just ripped everything out of VT2 and put it in DT.
blazing oak
Big companies with cod and whatnot have other franchises they can milk while another crashes and burns
lament topaz
Big companies with cod and whatnot have other franchises they can milk while ano...
TF2 and Apex Legends is a good example.
Steam and well, the rest of steam.
blazing oak
Valve doesn’t really release games anymore so it’s harder for them to crash and burn a new release, no?
Since there are no new game release
lament topaz
I guess that’s fair, but just look at TF2. They’re flagship game, alongside HL and Portal.
blazing oak
I’ve heard that tf2 makes them less than Csgo so
wet jacinth
wet jacinth
This is a very psykinetic chat
blazing oak
Well it can be seen as that due to loner voice breaking the 4th wall
If darktide is canon then breaking the 4th wall is canon then therefore speaking not about darktide can be argued to be psyker
blazing oak
This discord needs psyker emotes
wet jacinth
regal jasper
Psyker i hardly know her
summer owl
viral inlet
robust meteor
lament topaz
Alright, how do you do fellow Psykers?
robust meteor
okay better
pliant grove
which perk should i switch out and to which perk? is it flak better? should i keep unyielding (i play purgatus mostly)
naive dawn
unyielding is bulwark/crusher/monstrosity.
Flak would effect most gunners/grunt units.
lament topaz
I learned two things today.
The server can eat melee hits and keep me from firing my staff.
It also sometimes fucks with me and double casts the heat from BBing when I only BB once.
naive dawn
Can also prevent weapon swap/quell so you can blow yourself up too.
naive dawn
Its their servers, not your internet/system.
lament topaz
If this is as stable as it gets no way in hell I spent 40 bucks plus 20 for Vet drip just to be able to play for 15 minutes a day on the weekdays.
naive dawn
I've got about 500 hours, I notice server hiccups. But its probably 1/10 games and less than a few minutes out of the entire 20-30min run.
lament topaz
For me it's almost every run now.
naive dawn
Then it may be your internet
hardy socket
I've got about 500 hours, I notice server hiccups. But its probably 1/10 games a...
changed from voidstrike to purgatus and my frames are gone
sterile vale
Eeeeeh low stat roll, but I'll take it for now
lament topaz
I'm pretty sure it has something to do with my bandwidth trying to support about 6 people streaming, yeah.
Netflix and YT eat a lot of BW.
naive dawn
Streaming consumes a lot of upload, so if that is true you are probably getting upload capped from other people consuming it all.
lament topaz
I can't really tell my parents and sisters not to use the internet because I want to play a game with shitty servers.
austere estuary
excellent rolls
lament topaz
Oh well, there's my one round of the month, I guess.
naive dawn
I would do speedtest internet test, because servers can be rough. But its infrequent, if this is happening every game its not the servers.
lament topaz
100 mb/s down.
naive dawn
how bad is your upload if you have a lot of people streaming that is going to hurt you more.
austere estuary
that's bandwidth - use something that tests jitter etc
lament topaz
Lemme run it again and see.
lament topaz
I'm using Ookla's, it's what I've always used.
austere estuary
beyond being able to serve people without being choked
like I said, speed/bandwidth are largely irrelevant
re. games and latency
lament topaz
Oh that's fucking cool, 500 ms upload ping.
austere estuary
yeah
lament topaz
Suck my taint.
austere estuary
that'll do it
lament topaz
Fucken hate my ISP.
naive dawn
Yep thats a massive lag issue.
austere estuary
https://speed.cloudflare.com/ this is imo a good test page
lament topaz
And that's IF they're still using the same shit the old company was cause they recently got bought out.
austere estuary
plenty of nice info displayed
lament topaz
Ah yes, nearest server: Chicago
austere estuary
for example this is what I get on my latency meazasurements
excuse the blown out brightness, clip doesn't handle hdr nicely
lament topaz
It's still running, hang on.
blazing oak
Ah yes, nearest server: ***Chicago***
that means nothing to us when we have no idea of your location.
austere estuary
state to state shouldn't be that giant a deal though I understand American net infra is patchy
lament topaz
Okay, so I didn't lose any packets.
austere estuary
that's good!
lament topaz
austere estuary
that's rough for online gaming
naive dawn
That is what I was saying about upload
brittle crest
damn that's huge latency
blazing oak
Ah yes, nearest server: ***Chicago***
by nearest server is this for Darktide or the speed website
austere estuary
unloaded peaking above 200
naive dawn
If he has a ton of people streaming, its going to devour his upload
austere estuary
If he has a ton of people streaming, its going to devour his upload
I think he meant like Netflix, but even then
lament topaz
It's only bad when I'm downloading a game.
blazing oak
fatshark is special
austere estuary
loaded downstream latency is still showing as painfully high
naive dawn
Could be a bad connection to their servers from your isp
blazing oak
Source: VT2 kicks me from quickplay because of some peer to peer thing and Darktide doesnt
lament topaz
Considering I'm Central, which has near fuck all for servers, yes.
austere estuary
like if even just saturating your downstream is kicking latency into the 200s
naive dawn
Is this wifi or direct connection?
austere estuary
you're really just gonna be suffering
naive dawn
Hotspot or anything else?
lament topaz
Wifi
austere estuary
Is this wifi or direct connection?
they're using wifi and it's from a satellite internet connection
so wifi squared
lament topaz
I can give you the name of the provider before they were bought out.
blazing oak
I can give you the name of the provider before they were bought out.
so to confirm its just lag and latency and no dc's
lament topaz
Yeah, it goes into a giant dish half a mile away, then wired to the houses.
No DCs, no.
naive dawn
Do you have any antenna or anything to adjust for your wifi card?
lament topaz
Nope.
naive dawn
Or have anything that may shield your connection?
lament topaz
It's wired into our house, into a cheapo router.
Not that I know of.
Maybe the printer when it's on, but it's almost never on.
austere estuary
well not to be the bearer of bad news but aside from wiring in at your end--which will help a little, but ultimately won't solve the main issues of the state of the connection in the first place--you're just gonna have to suck it up
lament topaz
Well, getting the fiber optic from the power company would, but my parents like me not being able to game when I want to.
austere estuary
is what it is with such a connection
lament topaz
"You can be on your PC as long as you want, as long as we get to control when and how long that is."
austere estuary
that also is a "when you're an adult you can set the rules" issue
lament topaz
By then point is moot.
I gave them a cheaper, more stable alternative, but guess we can't because it would let me play games more.
austere estuary
with that connection
lament topaz
Yep.
austere estuary
it definitely is - it may just be miserable for other players
blazing oak
might just be a Darktide TM thing
lament topaz
Only DT seems to have this big of a problem for me.
Like, it's actually nearly unplayable because it's server side.
If you let the fucking client decide if it made the hit, it would be SO much easier.
blazing oak
If you let the fucking client decide if it made the hit, it would be SO much eas...
cheaters
naive dawn
Also opens up a huge can of worms of connectivity issues for all players and cheaters
I hate p2p connection, server is infinitely better so long as servers arent bad.
blazing oak
We do not question if people will cheat in a co-op game with no ranks no nothing, because people will
lament topaz
May I introduce, "Just rip that shit from VT2 and stick it into DT."
naive dawn
yeh I hated vt2 match making
randomly having 180 ms compared to a static amount because someone had bad internet is not fun.
austere estuary
I understand vt2 was p2p
lament topaz
Yes.
austere estuary
in which case if you are the host
naive dawn
yeh host notices no issues, the entire lobby would be lagging however.
austere estuary
god help the people paired onto that connection
naive dawn
But host doesnt care.
blazing oak
May I introduce, "Just rip that shit from VT2 and stick it into DT."
wait no please dont because then i will literally have to host every match with darktide's bugged out matchmaking because FatShark's peer 2 peer hates steam decks that arent hosting
lament topaz
When I hosted, none of my friends had issues.
Aside from the game bugging out a little.
But fine, if it's that big of an issue, I'll concede that a server connection is better for the masses.
Hold on, I'mma try something.
austere estuary
I remember when it was a massive shock when original modern warfare 2 was in the runup to release
and bash'n'slash podcast interviewed one of the IW guys who revealed it wouldn't have dedicated servers or support for them
and it was just dead silence
absolute disbelief that a game wouldn't have them on PC and would be suffering the p2p issues previously relegated to console online, which was viewed asabsolutely inferior
lament topaz
Alright, lemme try the test with my USB wifi adapter and see if anything changes.
open vault
I got my psyker to 30 now. I applaud you brave souls who main this class — this is my last time playing it.
Adieu!
austere estuary
when it comes to wifi, all sorts of things can also mess with it, including but not limited to microwaves and boilers
Later BaaL o/
valid fern
hah
austere estuary
plasma TVs can actually even interfere with older ADSL2+ connections in the right circumstances
blazing oak
I got my psyker to 30 now. I applaud you brave souls who main this class — this...
my words when I reach lvl 30 Vet
valid fern
Is a team of 3 psykers all using Surge Force Staff good on malice or higher?
lament topaz
I, uh, I don't think changing the adapter is changing anything...
austere estuary
not really robertt as you'll all share the same gaps in your kit, but it would definitely be funny
lament topaz
Holy fuck I just saw the up ms jump to 1.1s.
austere estuary
and on malice anything is fine really
lament topaz
It went above ms, holy shit.
blazing oak
Is a team of 3 psykers all using Surge Force Staff good on malice or higher?
I guess it depends on your fourth player. As in damnation hordes with no horde clear?
austere estuary
1.1seconds latency wow 
lament topaz
Hang on, let me try again without all of my Battle.net games updating at the same time because I guess when a new wifi cconnection happens is a great time for it.
austere estuary
please what are you doing doing any tests while saturating your network
esp if you're having trouble
lament topaz
I didn't do it on purpose.
They auto updated.
Also I think the test is slowing down my Discord connection.
God I used to play games while hooked to this thing?
Wait a minute.
austere estuary
You might benefit from taking a while to go through background processes and things that auto launch/update etc
lament topaz
My up latency is much lower now...
naive dawn
I would double check that on the back of your PC you dont have any an antenna connections or anything to help boost your wifi signal cause that can definitely help latency issues.
austere estuary
I've been on awful connections before and sometimes you have to go the extra mile
lament topaz
What the hell?
austere estuary
it's not shocking
blazing oak
okay what ive figured out Mortarion: you live in Imperium Nihilus
austere estuary
wifi connections are very susceptible to interference
lament topaz
Hold on, back to the motherboard connected one.
austere estuary
and then on top of that, background apps etc
which if bnet was still set to auto launch and to autoupdate
I have no idea how many other things you have set that way or installed
spring ruin
I have a Ethernet line that goes from the main router to a secondary router for extra reach around the house and a direct Ethernet connection to my PC
austere estuary
and you may have forgotten as well
lament topaz
No, it just was just cloud checking.
austere estuary
what is "cloud checking"
lament topaz
That was a solid 15-20 message send.
It was checking if the games had updates, essentially.
austere estuary
yeah okay that level of detail isn't important - my point is you have background apps set to auto run and auto do their thing; when you have a flaky/weak connection, you want to minimise or cut those out altogether when it's time to play
anything auto will be forgotten about after a while
lament topaz
Okay, so the USB adapter has less MB/s through it, but it has less latency.
The motherboard adapter has more MB/s but way more latency.
lament topaz
I'm gonna try some fuck shit.
austere estuary
anyway that's enough tech support for me
lament topaz
Both adapters on and connected at the same time.
rigid blade
Did some testing in the meat grinder, turns out Soulblaze DoT DOES benefit from Warp Charges as long as they are put on an enemy when you have them active
austere estuary
Did some testing in the meat grinder, turns out Soulblaze DoT DOES benefit from ...
also benefit from power
dense prism
for purg build is it better to forgo psyhic communion when you already have flayer and ascendant blaze
austere estuary
ehhh
naive dawn
I dont agree at all
lament topaz
Okay, so still stupid high up latency...
dense prism
I been thinking about it since I kinda want to run psykitenic aura
austere estuary
if you're using essence harvest and/or overload
then more charges are always welcome - and don't forget teammates can proc coommunion, healing your toughness when you can't
aura is great too though
and lacerations are also pretty great in the right circumstances
e.g. boss or enemy that changes from 3 to 2 BB with it
naive dawn
it has its place since the wording is basically a straight lie.
austere estuary
since it affects BB
naive dawn
it effects all damage
austere estuary
which one tiny?
naive dawn
including bleed/soulflame
lament topaz
Okay, note to self, my internet is just ass, but it only affects DT
austere estuary
lacerations doesn't affect all damage
naive dawn
It says it doesnt, but it does effect all warp damage/all pretty sure.
austere estuary
darkmass has a nice little note on it
blazing oak
darkmass has a nice little note on it
rip fandom wiki
dense prism
lacerations is tempted since with my purg build I tend to run combat blade for the moblity + the dps on tankier elite
rigid blade
132132 is what I’m running with a Purg staff and force sword, any suggestions on what I should change? (Both weapons are Blue, sword has deflection, staff has Warp Flurry)
dense prism
since it have lacerate and mercy killer
austere estuary
rip fandom wiki
oh mb was it the wiki?
dense prism
but brain burst take awhile to charge up tho
austere estuary
ah I was thinking of this https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2905188402
naive dawn
Yep just tested
austere estuary
Only Trauma staff primary and secondary attacks,
Surge staff primary attack, Voidstrike primary and secondary attacks are counted as Warp sources.
All other attacks count as non-Warp sources(including Purgatus staff primary and secondary attacks/Surge staff secondary attack/Force Sword special attacks/Brain Burst/Soulblaze).
Can be triggered by Kinetic Flayer.
Benefit the whole team.
naive dawn
Lacerations increase all damage by 15%
sterile vale
What in the world is going on, I just got three Transcendent emperor's gifts in a row, a Voidstrike and two Mk V duelling swords
austere estuary
Trauma in general, surge primary, void in general don't benefit
blazing oak
> Only Trauma staff primary and secondary attacks,
> Surge staff primary attack,...
why is it so inconsistent
blazing oak
its like the person coding it left for the day with the array half done and then forgot about it
dense prism
wait laceration also applied to brain burst
austere estuary
yes
lament topaz
its like the person coding it left for the day with the array half done and then...
I mean, can't say that didn't happen...
dense prism
does it have any breakthrough on specific enemies?
blazing oak
doesnt the description say +15% dmg to brainbursted target, doesnt specify any specific damage, so therefore all?
lament topaz
I mean, can't say that didn't happen...
for 90% of this game.
naive dawn
lacerations applies to everything
austere estuary
mind you a lot of variables for BB and I can't keep them off the top of my head
naive dawn
soulflame/bleed/bb
dense prism
not really complaining since brain burst do need abit of buff
austere estuary
eh
imo BB is fine where it is, but it's good that it helps BB on higher tier as an alternative to stacking power
blazing oak
mind you a lot of variables for BB and I can't keep them off the top of my head
at the end of the day I never actually really remember all those tiny buffs and just use whatever
austere estuary
for me depends how I'm feeling - some aren't hard to remember (e.g. all or nothing t4 (5%) and 6 warp charges = bulwark in 2 hits on damnation), but when it's like... how many stacks of executor and how many warp stacks and whatever else
naive dawn
BB is completely fine
austere estuary
that can be hard to keep in mind
dense prism
BB is useful in term of thinning out gunner and firing squad since these tend to be the most run killer so far in heresy (hadn't tried damnation yet)
naive dawn
BB is useful if used correctly
blazing oak
for me depends how I'm feeling - some aren't hard to remember (e.g. all or nothi...
Yeah what I really mean is I never really cared about squeezing all the optimal I can into my gear
austere estuary
ah gotcha
naive dawn
Crusher/bulwark, gunners/snipers/bombers
austere estuary
I'm somewhere inbetween
naive dawn
even in damn it shots anything "long" range in damage.
But when you use bb into a horde of poxwalkers
I want to die irl watching psykers just spam bb and never finish the animation
austere estuary
I like experimenting and seeing how minmax works, but I'm not fussed if I can or can't, or won't go crazy grinding for it just for that sake
blazing oak
Hardest darktide challenge: Damnation Solo Psyker BrainBurst Only
naive dawn
that sounds troll and miserable
austere estuary
still, I'm looking forward to if I can get a t4 executor, really like the idea of oneshotting ragers in damnation
dense prism
sometime I am guilty of bb a mob to keep the charge going
blazing oak
I like experimenting and seeing how minmax works, but I'm not fussed if I can or...
In my case its because im bad at really telling what is good so i use what I like as long as it works
dense prism
but that only I know if it is safe
naive dawn
Thats different
I mean Ive had a huge horde of poxwalkers and I'm watching two psykers channel a 3 second bb on a poxwalker I 1 shot in melee.
then repeat that for 30mins
austere estuary
but that only I know if it is safe
I do that plenty, imo it's worth keeping 6 stacks when it's not like a make or break moment
austere estuary
I mean Ive had a huge horde of poxwalkers and I'm watching two psykers channel a...
how do you find these groups
naive dawn
I just qp
blazing oak
how do you find these groups <:LUL:915596720031821835>
you have no friends is how
naive dawn
I do qp heresy/damn even though damn qp is dead now
austere estuary
I do QP, but I think the funniest groups I've had have been like the "W is stuck down crew" and "W is not working crew"
naive dawn
Yeh the amount of people who have the zoomies, ignore every box/material on the map charge into a horde solo, die or get pinned than rage quit is beyond count.
blazing oak
Does anyone else with force sword or other weapon with single target high damage special like to single out a lone elite and execute them with the special
brittle crest
tfw you try out a t4 low intensity but everyone starts grabbing grims 
blazing oak
tfw you try out a t4 low intensity but everyone starts grabbing grims <:FRIP:407...
When you realize this only applies to people who arent used to T4 >:)
naive dawn
I love grims, makes it more exciting ;3
austere estuary
t4 low intensity is I'd say a tiny step up from t3, it's a good stepping stone
same w t5 tbh
austere estuary
t5 high is an absolute riot though
brittle crest
but t3 feels easy
naive dawn
t5 low intensity can be easier than normal t4
blazing oak
I do QP, but I think the funniest groups I've had have been like the "W is stuck...
Had a zealot like that, died multiple times, aggroed daemonhost, the usual. Weirdly though for their teammate the veteran, I think they stayed close to the group, but they were so forgettable I could not tell you where that veteran was at any time
brittle crest
but i hate grims in general
naive dawn
t5 hi intensity is mad house
brittle crest
cause my toughness doesn't exist and i immediately go down vs random dudes w/ guns lol
austere estuary
Honestly though, I kinda love getting the odd insanity group
or the "maybe this guy is high as a kite" group
naive dawn
my best t5 hi was 3 psyker an a vet
we had a surge/void and me on purg with a helbore vet
had almost no issues
austere estuary
always brings a smile to my face 
blazing oak
My only successful damnation game so far (havent done many) was my first because of the actual best player ive ever seen in the game who duo clutched once with me after vet aggroed the daemonhost we had already avoided, but then solo clutched multiple times
brittle crest
damn lol
austere estuary
and the last person is playing like a god
dogs flying left and right and spectators are all clenching
blazing oak
They also pulled out 4 grenades as zealot, I never saw them pick up a grenade box
brittle crest
My only successful damnation game so far (havent done many) was my first because...
wth class were they?
ah zealot
naive dawn
I love that feel, I actually had a clutch in a damn game where I was saved by another dog during hunting ground. The first dog pinned me but the leapt at the same time so the 2nd dog free'd me. Was able to clutch and kill both.
blazing oak
The only time they went down was trapper net behind them when they were dealing with the pox hordes
austere estuary
damnation for me started as mostly failures, though the other night not only was it weirdly popping instantly but nearly all were clears and clean ones at that
blazing oak
But I noticed in Damnation at the end event, theres a constant trickle of poxwalkers or other fodder compared to Heresy
naive dawn
I think damnation is hard for most people, because they arent comfortable with melee.
The more I play the more I see people flee from fights to take a ranged stance
blazing oak
The more I play the more I see people flee from fights to take a ranged stance
How are they doing that when enemies rubberband to your sprinting
brittle crest
i'm not too comfortable w/ melee cause i feel if i make a mistake i die real quick
blazing oak
This is true^
elder briar
naive dawn
Exactly, they take hits or turn their back and enemies get that mega spinestab speed.
brittle crest
i think the mk5 axe pattern is just push attack forever right?
austere estuary
getting comfortable with melee gradually
naive dawn
Gl on blessings
elder briar
shitty blessing but still
austere estuary
I think Forcesword helps a lot to get into melee, infinite dodges is really nice
blazing oak
So for meleeing ragers, is it dodge hit dodge hit right
elder briar
Gl on blessings
re-bless when am i right
naive dawn
End of Feb probably
elder briar
for now
naive dawn
maybe march
austere estuary
you know unstable power at that rank not too amazing, but still, free damage and stagger most of the time
naive dawn
I still dont buy into force sword
blazing oak
never crafting complete until they fix the rest of the game because crappy crafting is the only thing keeping people from finishing the loot quest to see theres nothing else to keep them there
naive dawn
I have so many good force sword and I dont use them ever.
austere estuary
End of Feb probably
you think that late after their initial plan seemed to be end of dec?
I mean I wouldn't be shocked but
naive dawn
I have no idea, I dont think crafting ruins the game
dense prism
it funny that I always run my deflector sword but now I prefer dueling sword/combat blade alot. I love the passive peril decay and the mobility
blazing oak
Which genius decided to release in december right before their 3 week holiday
naive dawn
I've seen people complete damnation at sub level 30
if you can do it with green/grey weapons
Its not a crafting issue for difficulty
Its just an incredibly awful look for a full release game
to have opening soon TM
austere estuary
I've compared it to hades early access before
steel egret
3 week holiday.
austere estuary
I think that's basically where it's at
naive dawn
I think honestly the shop/melk not having a set timer and a purchasable rotation is the worst offender
blazing oak
3 week holiday.
2-3 im not sure how sweden works
steel egret
Its not set in stone that by law you must have them during said time.
austere estuary
seeing people shocked by a 3 week holiday existing makes me a bit sad
steel egret
but twelve days of christmas etc.
naive dawn
Thats america versus EU
dense prism
I have 80 hours so far in this game so I have my money worht, but I do think they need to have an update as soon as possible
blazing oak
What genius decided to release in december right before their Christmas/Holidays time off
there fixed
naive dawn
I have 500+ hours the game has issues, but the core gameplay is the best i've played for this style of game.
Their company/shareholders
austere estuary
^
naive dawn
who forced them too probably
its about money and profits
This isnt new and this is just Fatshark
brittle crest
I've seen people complete damnation at sub level 30
what's the biggest part of the game that i need to learn to get there?
steel egret
Something should happen next week, by then all who are not present are just on personal vacation days.
odds are they were during this week aswell
blazing oak
what's the biggest part of the game that i need to learn to get there?
getting good
austere estuary
I can't believe it's still a topic handled with surprise when even as a newcomer I've seen posts shared from years ago re. vt and vt2
naive dawn
@brittle crest Meta builds are good, but find what works for you. Its a combination or learning to help your team and staying alive.
brittle crest
getting good
well yea i know that, but which part lol
steel egret
but I dont know which days in sweden count as holidays to precise
austere estuary
expecting it not to be like this is like expecting Sony/From to sort out a 60fps bloodborne patch
steel egret
I just dont believe there is mandate that 12 days straight are days off.
brittle crest
<@241614217457696778> Meta builds are good, but find what works for you. Its a c...
i'm playing a surg build with an mk5 axe to try and CC for my team for the most part
naive dawn
What areas do you feel you struggle with Jay?
austere estuary
excuse me for a moment while I resupply my hopium after mentioning bloodborne
naive dawn
So I notice a lot of people with surge, just spam and never charge surge
blazing oak
well yea i know that, but which part lol
Well I am no expert but id assume learning how to take 0 damage from anything that isnt unavoidable bs like some elite gamers think is expected
naive dawn
but they also also surge targets
like you can 100% surge a dog and run up and melee it death yourself
isntead of surging it until your peril cap
and doing like 20% damage to a dog since surge damage isnt great
blazing oak
I surge because surge fun and bzzzt fun
naive dawn
Surge is amazing
austere estuary
what's the biggest part of the game that i need to learn to get there?
imo handling melee and avoiding the CC mobs while doing it
brittle crest
Well I am no expert but id assume learning how to take 0 damage from anything th...
i can pretty much not take dmg from elites cause surg, i just pray something deals with ranged
naive dawn
stopping 2 dogs and a mutant or saving a team from mid bomber leap
blazing oak
but in today's dog economy there is usually 2 dogs
naive dawn
I like surge to control gunners personally
austere estuary
as for ranged damage income, don't forget to employ dodges + slides
austere estuary
you can dodge and slide while channelling and firing staff attacks
blazing oak
as for ranged damage income, don't forget to employ dodges + slides
Okay I must be seriously mistiming slides because even when on zealot who has damage immunity slide I still get hit by bullets when sliding
Ive been melee when sliding too
austere estuary
zealot slide isn't actually damage immune
naive dawn
so when you hear the noise of you getting back attacked you can dodge/block immediately to prevent the damage.
blazing oak
zealot slide isn't actually damage immune
what else is new about how hard it is to understand this game's finer points
austere estuary
lament topaz
so when you hear the noise of you getting back attacked you can dodge/block imme...
And get hit anyways because bad connection.
blazing oak
does block pushing remove the 360 block
steel egret
Less.
austere estuary
just use forcesword, it has 360 degree push too 😄
blazing oak
Sometimes I wish some gaming companies could actually communicate without PR speech
blazing oak
just use forcesword, it has 360 degree push too 😄
I ask because I block push when i hear sound and get hit
naive dawn
then maybe it does
austere estuary
there have been instances of games devs communicating more openly and directly
it usually ends badly for them
naive dawn
I rarely rely on block I almsot always rely on dodge
austere estuary
angry gamers jumping down their throat, not understanding things etc
steel egret
Sometimes I wish some gaming companies could actually communicate without PR spe...
That would be incredibly difficult if not impossible.
naive dawn
Its also hard for companies to be open to game communities when the game communities actively send death threats or dick picks to devs.
blazing oak
angry gamers jumping down their throat, not understanding things etc
but when radio silence into not proofread survey that disregards a lot of things is not a great way to go
naive dawn
People were harassing God of War rag devs for not announcing the date launch of the game.
austere estuary
I sure as hell wouldn't engage in it as a dev looking at how it gets treated
naive dawn
Imagine wanting to rush a masterpiece.
blazing oak
i said some
as in under conditions
like Valve admitting they dont want to major update tf2
naive dawn
True, I'm waiting to hear what they have to say coming up.
austere estuary
Waiting and Valve, iconic duo
steel egret
If it was a masterpiece or anything resembling such
naive dawn
From Fatshark at least.
west stream
Its also hard for companies to be open to game communities when the game communi...
We had to get armed security on site after a death threat was deemed credible (I too work in game dev)
austere estuary
I almost can't imagine a company now being able to joke about 'valve time' openly now without a furious backlash from an angry minority online
blazing oak
Hear me out for a story update: nothing happens except people who use loner psyker personality get executed for their very heretical voice lines
naive dawn
Shit makes me mad Crimson honestly.
west stream
Hear me out for a story update: nothing happens except people who use loner psyk...
I would like to see the Savant become increasingly worried for Atoma as the campaign advances
blazing oak
Gaming is vitriol at every level :/
steel egret
We had to get armed security on site after a death threat was deemed credible (I...
As long as its not mobile games, I do genuinely sympathize.
austere estuary
????
How can there be any game dev situation where you can't sympathise with them receiving death threats over it?
west stream
Because the guards may joke about exterminatus but the hive is spawning daemons
steel egret
How can there be any game dev situation where you can't sympathise with them rec...
Easily.
austere estuary
blazing oak
Because the guards may joke about exterminatus but the hive *is* spawning daemon...
In the words of that Bricky youtuber “and that’s a massive f***ing problem”
steel egret
How can there be any game dev situation where you can't sympathise with them rec...
Its not me saying that they deserve it but I would imagine with predatory marketing tactics and microtransactions it would be more likely.. and somewhat of norm for them.
west stream
what i'd really like to see though, is more active war in the background, we got flying valkyries and AA, but seeing that bridge defense collapse in the distance as some horde overwhelms the IG would be pretty neat
austere estuary
Death threats
steel egret
Yes.
austere estuary
zero sense of perspective
steel egret
Sure, I dont think you want to understand my point.
blazing oak
what i'd really like to see though, is more active war in the background, we got...
I know we are a surgical stroke force but I would also like more involvement with the PDF, even if we don’t join them just seeing them
austere estuary
your point is you can't sympathise with developers who work on mobile games getting death threats since some mobile games have predatory marketing and mtx
silver pagoda
I mean, the really lame thing is that gamer-bros end up harassing HR people and game developers when neither of them actually have any say on the final monetary policies
austere estuary
I think I understand your point well
west stream
I know we are a surgical stroke force but I would also like more involvement wit...
you see them holding a bridge on your way in to several missions
austere estuary
I just think it's awful
west stream
that's the one I am talking about
blazing oak
you see them holding a bridge on your way in to several missions
That’s not a lot of involvement
west stream
but yeah I would like to see it spiral to open war
blazing oak
It is a war
west stream
you see a bunch of dead enforcers in some missions but so far no real Astra militarum presence
not really
steel egret
I just think it's awful
You are free to feel that way.
silver pagoda
it's not really a war, more like an attempt to avoid total war
blazing oak
Psyker loner says the “the war is going badly” in one of their lines
west stream
They mention Atoma is not even main theater
which is why the actual inqusitor is not present
blazing oak
No no no that’s the fringe war
west stream
so war could be everywhere I imagine
silver pagoda
I think there was a war, and the imperial soldiers lost to the traitors
blazing oak
But also pdf vs chaos uprising I’d say that’s a war
hot zephyr
so war could be everywhere I imagine
There basically isn't anywhere in the 40k universe that isn't at war
austere estuary
In the grim darkness...
west stream
yeah but referring to this one war specifically
hot zephyr
The imperium fights so many wars at the same time that they literally stopped counting them
blazing oak
I think there *was* a war, and the imperial soldiers lost to the traitors
A regiment turned traitor but the IG hasn’t lost the fringe war or the Tertium war
west stream
Tertium's infestation is centered around abandoned parts
blazing oak
Y’all go read the wiki on the background of darktide and Atoma
silver pagoda
right, but I think the "war" for Atoma hive city is mostly lost
west stream
and bits that were left to manage by the water cartel
silver pagoda
and now we are like exterminating the leftovers who are occupying the city
west stream
Only Throneside is "lost"
blazing oak
right, but I think the "war" for Atoma hive city is mostly lost
No it’s the sub levels that are corrupted mostly.
There hasn’t been any skies except for the abandoned outskirts of the city
austere estuary
the talk from the psyker about things lurking deeper
hot zephyr
Okay so I can't remember what the mk2 is
That's a pretty excellent horde clear torrent weapon iirc. Around 45 dmg per shot usually
austere estuary
and that most recent little story teaser
steel egret
Okay so I can't remember what the mk2 is
High capacity
west stream
Like I said, you can see Imperial guard / pdf holding bridges and entrances in a couple parts
blazing oak
Tertium is so tall that if we saw skies that would be a problem
silver pagoda
Like I said, you can see Imperial guard / pdf holding bridges and entrances in a...
yeah but those are the soldiers that fell back after the traitors took most of the city
austere estuary
That's a pretty excellent horde clear torrent weapon iirc. Around 45 dmg per sho...
ah the torrent one, cheers
blazing oak
The 2nd hive city is not going so well I’d agree @silver pagoda
But not Tertium
Tertium hasn’t fallen yet
hot zephyr
ah the torrent one, cheers
Pairs wonderfully with a force sword. Highly recommend
steel egret
austere estuary
I'll give it a shot!
west stream
Ultimately the issue is nurgle can just outlast the city
steel egret
VId is torrent.
blazing oak
Okay everyone
west stream
the plague spreads from lower levels
blazing oak
Stop bashing heretics and read
west stream
and whatnot
blazing oak
weary arrow
does block efficiency work with feat that lets u use peril instead of stamina? Also does global warp resistance work with that feat?
silver pagoda
does block efficiency work with feat that lets u use peril instead of stamina? A...
yes to the first question, not sure about the second
austere estuary
does block efficiency work with feat that lets u use peril instead of stamina? A...
you also want a little stamina - it plays a role in calculating how much peril you gain when blocking
I mean, a little bonus stamina, not minimal stamina
silver pagoda
my curios are 2 vitality and 1 stamina, with all having max block efficiency
austere estuary
curious myself about the warp res based on peril feat with it though
silver pagoda
it's good for both duelling sword and force sword
austere estuary
my curios are 2 vitality and 1 stamina, with all having max block efficiency
I'm looking forward to rolling this again when I have more plasteel for deflector fun
steel egret
If the warp peril resistance feat does anything relies heavily on what is the amount of peril generates, you would need most likely 4 charges to remove 1 peril if you were to take 4 peril damage.
hot zephyr
you also want a little stamina - it plays a role in calculating how much peril y...
That's a key thing, block eff is great, but having +1 stam somewhere in your build via perk is a great little extra bonus to have.
austere estuary
hoping to get a good rank 4 perk on last one
blazing oak
We are sent here to help save the city before it falls. If a hive city fell, more specifically the capital hive of the capital world of the domain, a single ship of inquisitorial agents and the remnants of the pdf wouldn’t be able to exterminate it
austere estuary
Necromunda's second hive city got flattened for a genestealer infestation, but it didn't finish the job
blazing oak
Exactly the Nurgle cult wouldn’t have taken most of Tertium
austere estuary
yeah nurgle cultists not quite so subtle
blazing oak
If they did why are we fixing the water purification for the people, why were there civilians in the opening cutscene, etc
chrome widget
are guns better than staves?
austere estuary
different
generally staves are great - guns require a bit more thought though about your choice of melee weapon
chrome widget
i mean optimally. Since I generally do Rando Groups, its not like i can plan for who else does what
silver pagoda
are guns better than staves?
staves are very good but when you pair it with doing a lot of blocking with the force sword you can run into peril problems, so a gun is kinda useful then
chrome widget
I generally run lightning staff and a dueling sabre or chainsword
silver pagoda
I mostly use duelling sword even though I have a deflector because I like passive peril loss
hot zephyr
The imperium usually doesn't dispatch units to deal with local infestations until they reach a substantial threat level, local imperial guard usually deals with it until then. So the Guard we see in game are basically holding the line and quarantining the problem until resources can be called up to dispatch it.
As inquisition, we're effectively like seal-team-6 special ops, dispatched to wage asymmetric warfare by disrupting their command and control. Which is why the missions are focused on things like assassinating leaders, implanting misleading intent, or raiding supply depots.
blazing oak
The imperium usually doesn't dispatch units to deal with local infestations unti...
Could be the pdf not the guard
silver pagoda
I mean, we're seal team 6 that is sent into nearly suicidal situations because we are so low value
west stream
The imperium usually doesn't dispatch units to deal with local infestations unti...
Best bit is we're not even really seal team 6
blazing oak
Also I forget which cinematic but there is a cinematic where the heretics ram a plague train into a station to infect people
west stream
The actual good inqusitorial agents are doing more important missions
steel egret
are guns better than staves?
Only laspistol has anything that would even imply it was intended to be used by a psyker.
blazing oak
Heretics wouldn’t do that if they held the city
steel egret
Special being a 10m force push.
hot zephyr
Could be the pdf not the guard
true, but the point is we're not really aiming to save the city, we're more interesting in making sure we keep critical things running, like water supply or the war production lines
west stream
Well the thing is we're saving city sorta
is just that warhammer wars are funny like that
blazing oak
If someone gets me the cinematic where they ram the train you get a get out of black ship free card
west stream
a world can be under siege and still need to send vehicles to other theaters
hot zephyr
Best bit is we're not even really seal team 6
Yeah, true, we are special forces of some kind through. Most people wouldn't understand if I said Delta Force or Green Berets tho
west stream
Or even be sending regiments out as they are losing ground locally
proud mantle
psyker should have a special on the revolver
west stream
Because munitorum said so
proud mantle
where it charges up into a railgun
blazing oak
true, but the point is we're not really aiming to save the city, we're more inte...
Take back the city of Tertium - official steam page
chrome widget
where it charges up into a railgun
this would be dope, but we already got the head splody grenade button yea?
west stream
Ultimately the inqusition agents are doing what they can to decapitate the cult and to reduce spread
chrome widget
where it charges up into a railgun
or do you mean like mass penetration
west stream
it's clear there's no resources for a full war on tertium
proud mantle
mass pen, like infinite pen
dim river
hi, does anyone have any tips on completing a few of the psyker penances like cliffhanger, warp battery, pick n' mix and malleus monstronum? I'm new to the game and struggling on them a bit playing solo/ two man
proud mantle
and more aoe ig
west stream
But an entire regiment of the guard is not getting taken down by inquisitorial agents ramboing
chrome widget
the kill em all in a line would be awesome, honestly
even for 60% peril, just empty a line in a hallway
blazing oak
it's clear there's no resources for a full war on tertium
Yep. The regiment they did send turned traitor
steel egret
I mean characters we play are overpowered in most setting regardless.. taking down daemonhosts and what not.
hot zephyr
hi, does anyone have any tips on completing a few of the psyker penances like cl...
Warp battery is the easiest of those, aim for that first, it'll teach you to manage your warp charges so you keep your damage boost.
The rest are genuinely difficult without a full experienced group who deliberately aim to help you get the penance.
west stream
Considering level of destruction I wonder what level our psyker would be
silver pagoda
I mean characters we play are overpowered in most setting regardless.. taking do...
our characters do feel more like space marines and random people with leftover weapons
west stream
category rather
steel egret
our characters do feel more like space marines and random people with leftover w...
Thats for sure.
blazing oak
hi, does anyone have any tips on completing a few of the psyker penances like cl...
You need friends. I’m actually putting together a group of psykers who are trying for them
dim river
Warp battery is the easiest of those, aim for that first, it'll teach you to man...
yeah I was thinking that, very unfortunate! I've managed 213 seconds so far, I'll keep trying. thank you
west stream
You need friends. I’m actually putting together a group of psykers who are tryin...
nice
I should do that
steel egret
You can just edge warp battery by staying at start.
blazing oak
category rather
3/10 according to Reddit
dim river
You need friends. I’m actually putting together a group of psykers who are tryin...
nice idea! good luck
dim river
You can just edge warp battery by staying at start.
ohh true, I'll try that out with a few bots
hot zephyr
our characters do feel more like space marines and random people with leftover w...
At the start you are definitely leftover and scum, but by time you hit 30 you're an acolyte and you have above average gear for a humanoid
blazing oak
ohh true, I'll try that out with a few bots
You need a premade for a private lobby else someone might join your bot game
blazing oak
I should do that
Want to join?
blazing oak
TimeZone?
west stream
gmt
west stream
At the start you are definitely leftover and scum, but by time you hit 30 you're...
true and tbh a bunch of book characters have similarly outlandish kill counts and encounters
killing a chaos marine or two is a rite of passage for human characters
steel egret
mm
hot zephyr
killing a chaos marine or two is a rite of passage for human characters
Yeah even just seeing a space marine, traitor or loyalist, is basically brown pants time
west stream
Plus the veteran has specialist weaponry that really doesnt give a damn about your plot status
power swords and plasma guns are lethal
blazing oak
So is being a psyker
west stream
ask anyone involved in damocles crusade
dim river
You need a premade for a private lobby else someone might join your bot game
okay, thanks I'll try it
blazing oak
okay, thanks I'll try it
For cliffhanger, there is a guide let me get it
hot zephyr
Plus the veteran has specialist weaponry that really doesnt give a damn about yo...
I mean.... technically "Veteran" status is given to any guardsman who survives 15 minutes in combat.
west stream
Yeah even just _seeing_ a space marine, traitor or loyalist, is basically brown ...
marines suffer from inverse ninja effect
A single marine or two are badasses
blazing oak
okay, thanks I'll try it
https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/z1g9kh/how_i_got_the_psyker_cliffhanger_penance/
Use this, this got me the penance when it was 20 enemies you had to throw over not 7
west stream
a warband means a bunch will get killed by the wall of lasers or stepping on a mine or osmething
I think a good example of marines compared to guardsmen are the tanith first books
dim river
https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/z1g9kh/how_i_got_the_psyker_cliffhang...
thanks so much! it used to be 20?? that sounds like a pain
west stream
where you see 3 loyalists basically clear an entire landing site for a regiment of the IG
hot zephyr
A single marine or two are badasses
Also depends on the amount of plot armour. A Space Marine Captain is a Certified BadAss™ with enough plot armour to make Star Wars look tame.
fringe garden
It's also not out of the realm of possibility for an Ogryn to kill a space marine in melee.
west stream
I mean, books have ogryn bodyguards kill marines in terminator armour at some point
hot zephyr
But marine-on-marine combat is pretty swift and brutal one way or another