psyker-class

[deft fiber]

I swear. Re-bless weapon will be a "start from scratch with your base".

Happy rolls.

[ornate hamlet]

i'll uninstall

[deft fiber]

Like why they would have 2 options for blessings I bet 1 Ogryn ration last option will be just starting from the grey base. In case you are have low rolls density in your blood.

[cyan notch]

what do you mean two options

[west galleon]

Fire staff or electro staff

I cant remember the name

Childhood trauma or forced trauma

[deft fiber]

As for now we have "coming soon":

1. Earn blessing
2. Re-bless

[west galleon]

Or the force force one

[cyan notch]

earn blessing is extracting a blessing from a weapon

rebless is putting extracted blessings into a weapon

[deft fiber]

If it will keep like this

But it's FS.

[cyan notch]

i mean youre free to doubt but theres nothing to suggest it will be drastically different

[west galleon]

Pls i really want to use the staff, but just using a gun is so much less stressful

I've been moaning about this since release

(Hehe)

[worldly iron]

need help for cliffhanger

its difficult to push 20 fucking heretics in a pit

[sonic grove]

I personnally love the lightning staff since I can be lazy

[west galleon]

I was using a trauma one (thats the one that charges up the forcewave right?) But as soon as a bigger wave is incoming that thing is useless to me

And worst of all, i have yet to see the fire staff in my shop

[wheat quartz]

on the bridges on the espionage mission at the end

[worldly iron]

tried to that but teammates always kill them

[wheat quartz]

stand on one and ask your team to let you handle it
F then spam force push with your force sword

yeah they have to let you do it to be safe

[left basin]

flarpsharp when pamch

[split oxide]

I don't like the trauma staff: -

• I only have cliffhanger left but I'll probably never complete it.
• thinking of Psykinetic Wrath(f) off the bridge in Espionage. (if you angle it juust right)

[split oxide]

you don't think you can PsykerWarth (f) 7x in one go?

[wheat quartz]

oh, did they change it

it used to be 20

[orchid nest]

https://tenor.com/view/homelander-n0-the-boys-starr-gif-25749194

[hollow portal]

Ha yeah I realized that when I made him. I couldnt pass it up

When you are a Guardsman first, Psyker second

[spare flax]

update: confirmed force sword is the only melee wep for psyker that cannot block a demonhost, unless you do some terrain stuff like running around in a circle or jumping over barricades

[pliant rose]

Oi fellow witches, got a question for you: Soulblaze time.
Let's put it this way, hypothetically - you're level 30, using second trait, you got yourself some weapons that indeed put stacks of soulblaze over the enemies you critically hit. So does the 10% chance of getting the warp charge back from the blazing enemies works here? If so, does melee hits count or does it needs to be kill by the soulblaze itself? Please explain, because I'm ripping my hairs off my head in madness that Tzeench happened to send upon me, while I was trying to figure that out in meatgrinder, and I still can't get this warp charge back unless a head pops out of a sudden...

[near gale]

Can getting eatten by a beast of nurgle interrupt you exploding from peril?

And I have no clue, Hurakan. I haven't gotten to level 30, yet.

[solemn basin]

any soulblaze yes

from perks or flamer

they must die from the soulblaze

[pliant rose]

Now that's something to consider when using anything different than a purgatus on heresy+

[near gale]

there's the start of a mission with a wooden ramp off to the side, if you get help then you can just use your career once and off they all go

erm near the start

[pliant rose]

Thank you @solemn basin, you've saved me some hairs

[solemn basin]

fextralife has a great build utilising soulbalze if your interested, i run it in damanation, its my favourite build, the only thing i change is the 4th perk, as i use a deflector force sword with maxed block efficiency

[worldly iron]

which mission?

[spare flax]

soulblaze can give you charges from kinetic flayer i get lots from purgation staff

[near gale]

It's the mission with the end area where you have to plug the 9 things into the thing

[cyan notch]

they dont need to die from soulblaze they just need to have it on them when they die

[near gale]

from the 2 side cars

side trains

w/e

I forgot the name

It has the part where you have to do a data interrigator thing with only 1 point

after going down stairs

[pliant rose]

Have you tested it? 🙂 because right now I can tell you, that after about a hundred blazing little sh**s killed with my sword in a psykanum, NONE gave the charge

[cyan notch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1062951377095114763/ab.mp4

[sonic grove]

I did cliffhanger in logistratum it’s hard to pull off because you need the help of others and luck but it’s doable and I used the blitz of the psyker

[spare flax]

it has a 15 second coolsown

[pliant rose]

interesting

[solemn basin]

hes on about soulblaze i believe not the 5th perk

[pliant rose]

oh I am about the 5th perk m8

[solemn basin]

5th perk has a colldown

it aplies on any damage you deal

[pliant rose]

why, the hell, it's not described anywhere 😄

[near gale]

which one, the 10% chance to brain burst on any damage?

[pliant rose]

Yes sir

[near gale]

I don't doubt that has a cd

[solemn basin]

it says it on th perk XD

[near gale]

Would be way too op otherwise

[solemn basin]

maybe it was closed beta description

[near gale]

Imagine all of a suddent getting 20 brain bursts in 2 seconds

[split oxide]

As a psyker, I've hold a bridge on my own @ Heresy (surge+AtroxV)
I let the other three cover the other bridge

• I just dunno if I can get the attack angle to catch 7+ dregs on the bridge with one '(f)'

[cyan notch]

are you talking about kinetic flayer or ascendant blaze

[solemn basin]

for calrity

clarity

kenetic flayer has a colldown of 15 secs

ascendant blaze applies on any soulblaze kills you get, from any source

[sonic grove]

It’s easier to pull of with help having someone blocking the heretics while you push them from the side of the bigger bridge

I had a very helpful random helping me

[split oxide]

which bridge.. what . from the window?

[maiden wolf]

I got cliffhanger using force sword push and my ult on the center platform in the smelter mission.

It was the second penance I got

[split oxide]

Dunno, Smelter and PneumanticCoveyor maps are not to be f'd around with.
I don't want to jeopardize the team's run.

[pliant rose]

Ok. lemme clarify because I didn't write enough details:
I'm talking about Ascendant Blaze, the second feat from level 30 ones.
I'm using a force sword and a voidstrike that got Blazing Spirit bless on it.
I've killed about a hundred of enemies in a meatgrinder, with my sword, to test this Blazing Spirit with this perk. None gave the warp charge back - but here it is, a video that @cyan notch sent, showing me that I'm doing something wrong or I'm just unlucky...

That was something I came up with myself but needed validation, now I'm confused after I've watched that video, again 😉

[cyan notch]

well you have to crit and then kill the dude before soulblaze runs out and then get lucky with 10%

[worldly iron]

Smelter is possible

remember the small hole?

[deft fiber]

Or may be he got lucky and soulblaze tick actually killed mob instead of melee hit but it doesn't get shown in ui.

[cyan notch]

thats not how it works

you dont need soulblaze to get the final hit

[split oxide]

ooh.. make the laststand at the center rather than the door?

[pliant rose]

that's why I ripped off my hair, but since I've tried to count the damage, I saw no warp charge returned unless it was a headpop due to the kinetic flayer

[cyan notch]

i mean if ur testing you really shouldnt be using kinetic flayer

[deft fiber]

Well, i guess so. But i take every mechanic and interaction in this game with the big grain of salt. Because god, it seems there is nothing for sure working as intended if even working. Make a kill by tick from soulzblaze as a condition a pretty insane shit, and i tend to believe for most simple decision as it usually right decision, but it's 'tide game and Fatshark

[worldly iron]

its difficult

[cyan notch]

i mean sure you dont have to believe everything but when proof is presented it makes sense to believe it

[deft fiber]

Yeah, i believe it, just made a joke assumption.

[worldly iron]

because the center is just a small hole and not everyone can be shoved in there

plus teammates

[pliant rose]

I can see and hear when the head pops, but that's a great advice, maybe I've missed it when outraging 😉 I'm also using other weapons, so it might be an anomaly, but that you've presented the video, I need to get back to the meatgrinder and see it for myself anyway.

[split oxide]

https://tenor.com/view/okay-ok-fine-sigh-all-right-gif-22904120

ehhh

[pliant rose]

There is also one thing to take into consideration - the Psyhic Communion

😉

But I'm sure you've tested the 5th perk also without it, @cyan notch ?

[cyan notch]

5th perk being........ kinetic flayer?

[pliant rose]

shit, lost myself again, 6th perk, the blaze

[cyan notch]

yes if you watch the video again youll see i show my feats at the end specifically so that there arent any confounding variables

[pliant rose]

Oh right, forgot you showed it there

[near gale]

I had a match last night, on malice, where I had to clutch as the last person alive... it was insane, and the game kept senting elite after elite at me. I had like 3 scab shotgunners and 3 scab ragers on me at one point AFTER I got near where my allies were, after clearing 25+ of the basic scab gunners and 2 ragers...

Zap staff, man. That's where the money was at

but one of the zealots said "bro this pysker"

And that has stuck with me this whole time.

We won that match.

3 zealots and me, a psyker.

[floral solstice]

okay but how do 3 people die in malice

[near gale]

well 2 of them were... not that good

my friend got the brunt end of the bs trying to save them

[cyan notch]

yea some noobs are not worth risking your life trying to save

[near gale]

and he's leveling his zealot, he was only level 20

[cyan notch]

u take a bunch of damage just for them to die again after ressing

[near gale]

Yeah, it's rough

I still don't know how the hell I clutched that run, tho. The 2nd wave of bs with the shotgunners and ragers caught me off guard

not to mention the like 5-7 basic gunners too

[near gale]

Also: If you don't respect the difficulty for being a difficulty you can easily get caught off guard.

[wet belfry]

I think zealots frequently forget how squishy the psyker really is

[near gale]

I was the one who took the least damage XD

My friend took a lot of damage from the bs, tho

[floral solstice]

i guess to be fair, a lot of people probably turn their brains off when running malice

it's the chill diff

i run malice myself in the morning when no one's running t4 t5

[near gale]

My friend doesn't seem to, but, he's not used to the zealot class and he didn't ahve especially great gear

[floral solstice]

got so bored in a run that i started smacking the daemonhost and tanked it till it died

[near gale]

I am always ready for the bs to go the 11, since it can. I had a malice with high intensity that was harder than some of the heresy runs I have done

[floral solstice]

some heresy games can get crazier than regular damnation

that, or there are more people queueing that are fresh off of malice

[near gale]

Well that malice run was more intense than the damnation run I did with my Ogryn at lvl 20 that was low intensity... but I hadn't learned heresy, at that point, on the malice high intensity run

Granted: I was on full allert the whole run on that damnation run, which we won, and I didn't go down once. x.x

My friend was the 1 who dragged me into it. xD

[floral solstice]

if you're comfortable with a difficulty then it's usually the randoms that do random shit that causes wipes

i may sound like a jerk there but it's true

[near gale]

It's true

On any difficulty

Even uprising, if the randoms die and you get caught by a hound...

or thrown off a ledge

[floral solstice]

it's just that on damnation, mistakes are more punishing

[wet belfry]

Ive a feeling though that its possible to carry even randoms.

[near gale]

It is, me and my friend literally did that malice run. We've done it before too

[floral solstice]

it is, as long as the others know their roles you can have a shitter or two

[wet belfry]

Theres duo runs of damnation, its possible.

[pliant rose]

It worked out to turn off these perks, and yes, it is working how it's supposed.
Btw. are you using this 6th perk without purgatus?

[near gale]

My specialty, though, isn't latent skill. I get most of my skill through playing a lot. And my real talent is clutching.

If I don't have to clutch at all, I won't really seem as good as when I have to try.

It was the same way in vt2.

[cyan notch]

with surge yea

[near gale]

I use vent toughness, peril resist on warp charge, chance of warp charge on kill, block peril

[pliant rose]

And how do you like it in comparison to the other ones? What's ur opinion?

[near gale]

the higher the difficulty, the faster I am at max warp charges

[cyan notch]

i use ascendant blaze for surge for extra horde clear

[near gale]

I use dueling sword IV with surge

then 1 stamina curio and 2 health

Helps with sprinting

[pliant rose]

That's a nice combo 🙂

[floral solstice]

i cant be the only one who hates the whole warp charge system

[cyan notch]

quicken is really bad so theres only a choice between ascendant blaze and kinetic barrage

[near gale]

I just got the 10% chance to brain burst on any attack, but, I wonder if the 6 warp charges would help more cause of 36% perill resist

[near gale]

I do too

[floral solstice]

i run zero warp charge stuff on surge staff

maybe if they increase the duration or make it so that we lose a charge at a time instead of all of it, I'd start caring about warp charges again

[pliant rose]

I wanted to use something to get the charges back, this makes the deal, but I don't use it for any type of damage really, just as utility, dmg is lacking when not using a purgatus IMO

[wet belfry]

I think most players dislike it

[near gale]

I only run it for the peril resist.

24% does a lot

[wet belfry]

Its kinda been described as needing to use perks to fix our passives.

[floral solstice]

well it's either BB + barrage + psykinetic aura for me for dps/extended firefights

[wet belfry]

It wouldnt either be as annoying if it wasnt for the fact warp charges are so built into the class.

[floral solstice]

plus my mk 4 claw is decent enough to kill stunned specialists in 1-2 overheads

[wet belfry]

The psykers abilltys power is dependant on warp charges.

Many of our talents are also dependant on warp charges.

[near gale]

I want a long ranged staff that isn't ass.

Like the beam staff

Maybe a frost staff

We have lightning, energy, and fire...

Hell, why not wind while we're at it? :/

[humble plume]

just got this

[near gale]

I love it

People hate grim resist tho

[wet belfry]

Honestly i think toughness regen speed is the single most important curio stat.

Otherwise im ok with it.

[cyan notch]

heard it doesnt work

[wet belfry]

Hmm

[long wharf]

it's not that people hate grim resist, it's that grim resist shouldn't be a thing

[wet belfry]

I will test that later

[long wharf]

corruption resist should be the blanket coverall

[marsh token]

Does toughness regen only reduce cooldown/delay? Before its start to regenerate. And not the regeneration speed?

[near gale]

True

[viscid matrix]

Tbh i prefer health on all of them, and damage reduction for gunners and snipers

[frigid marten]

the fact that don't even work don't help.

[viscid matrix]

It does work, just not enough to be worth it

[wet belfry]

You mean like how long essence harvest lasts for example?

[long wharf]

just chuck into the massive dumpster filled with everything else in Darktide that's either broken or doesn't work as expected

[viscid matrix]

Best bet, go all in on health, damage resist gunners and snipers, then corruption resist

[orchid nest]

I think he means the delay before coherency toughness regen starts, which is how I have also heard it works. never tested it myself but that seemed to be what people agreed on when I checked

[near gale]

15% is max corruption resist, right?

[floral solstice]

what i heard about toughness regen on curios is that it's the thing with coherency popping off

[near gale]

Or is it 20%

[floral solstice]

welp i worded my last comment like a toddler

basically it doesnt work the way we expect it to

[near gale]

Or 20% grim 15% normal?

[marsh token]

I mean.
Toughness regen on Curioz reduces the delay before toughness begins to regenerate after a hit(?) And not the The Speed how long in takes to go back from 0 to Max tougness.

[viscid matrix]

Why worry about toughness regen, when you can get toughness from quelling

[wet belfry]

Hmm. I do not know.

That would be harder to test

[floral solstice]

there, someone worded what i was trying to say properly, i need sleep

[near gale]

You can get a total of 68.5568% grim corruption resist

[wet belfry]

I am very curious about this.

[orchid nest]

I don't use it. as far as what else you said though, I don't think gunner elites do enough damage to warrant a curio slot. sniper resist is good though.

[near gale]

With 3 15's and 3 20's

[cyan notch]

https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/toughness-regeneration-speed-on-curio-bug/69379

people reported it dont work and it was tagged as acknowledged

[viscid matrix]

When it’s 10 gunners, the damage resist lets you take out all of them and still keep toughness

[wet belfry]

Well damn.

[orchid nest]

it only works against the elites, not regular gunners

[wet belfry]

Curios are basically useless then.

[marsh token]

The German Translation in the Closed Beta /Pre Order Beta and the first Releases Days was: Reduce Delay. They changed it now for few weeks to: Increase Toughness Regen.

[wet belfry]

Might aswell run green curios.

[floral solstice]

it's the regular gunners that usually screws you

[viscid matrix]

There is a gunners resist on curios

[maiden wolf]

What about, the bean staff?

[orchid nest]

yeah it only works on elite gunners

aka the lowest damage ones that suppress you mainly

[floral solstice]

dunno why they didn't just make a universal ranged resist perk even if it has a lower value

[grizzled jasper]

Would definitely be the go to if it did

[orchid nest]

yeah absolutely, it would be insane if it worked on the trash ones

[cyan notch]

shotgun resist when

[frigid marten]

like for example a 75% reduction of damage from ranged source? yeah insane.

[wet belfry]

Imange how much easier the game would be if everything worked.

[orchid nest]

yeah, that would be crazy to have a class like that :p

[grizzled jasper]

I used to think 75 dr was a meme back when I started

But my god it is good

[floral solstice]

even if it's low, like 2-4% max per curio, still helps a bit

you'd still get shredded by a group

[sharp obsidian]

I'm converted, I'm not swapping off of Quicken

[floral solstice]

but enough not to cry about 1 random shooter your team missed that suddenly takes out your toughness

[sharp obsidian]

it lets you turn into Veteran for 10 seconds

[near gale]

Gunner resist isn't the basic ones?!

[orchid nest]

elite gunners. and maybe reapers, I've seen people claim that but can't say for certain

[near gale]

That makes me so sad...

Sadge...

[floral solstice]

what about the dreg shotGUNNERs FS pls

[frigid marten]

i suppose that the problem is some voice line call the gunners too.

[deft fiber]

Yeah, gunners and Reapers in weird way affected by gunner resist. Useful on higher difficulties in compare to other resistances.

Basic shooters still fuck you up.

[orchid nest]

yeah it's more useful than a good deal of the other perks but would prefer even just more toughness/health or something over it. let's be real though, you take what you can get for the most part

that has more to do with how bad most of the perks are though than it being good

[deft fiber]

Well, i usually run toughness + toughness + gunner res + whatever 3rd perk random will give me.

[long wharf]

between the dreg gunners that can't be suppressed and the scab "gunners" that prefer not to switch to melee

[split oxide]

Nice. ... "Nah-oww do it agaan "

[long wharf]

those are the real mission enders

[violet thorn]

45% sniper resistance

https://tenor.com/view/gigachad-chad-gif-20773266

[near gale]

Wait a minute, you guys are saying that the fact that I have been surviving better is not because of less damage from basic gunners? That would mean that I am getting better at the game...

[deft fiber]

[grizzled jasper]

Or you had an orgyrn who knows how to dive and slide

[split oxide]

You need a Vet(s): thing taht always kill me...

• Horde+Mutie/Dog
• 10x toxgunners catching you in a killbox.

[cyan notch]

u can get 60%

[frigid marten]

better at hide in cover.

[violet thorn]

I assoomed 15% was the cap for a curio

[orchid nest]

nah he is right, t4 is 20%

[violet thorn]

t4?

[orchid nest]

tier 4 perk

[near gale]

But I'm not XD

[violet thorn]

ah

[cyan notch]

yea

[orchid nest]

indicated by how many of the diamonds are filled in

[frigid marten]

i just hope that enemies never get grenades and piercing cover weapons

[near gale]

Isn't each dr multiplicative?

[split oxide]

I don't thinkn T4 goes 60%

[violet thorn]

I have to get better curios

https://tenor.com/view/tense-table-smash-mad-gif-13656077

[deft fiber]

3 x 20%

[orchid nest]

although I don't know if they are multiplicative like @near gale says

[violet thorn]

show the full curio so I can see the rating lv

[near gale]

If they're multiplicative then it's 100 x .8^3

[split oxide]

TIL: bonuses don't stack

[cyan notch]

its just +1 wound i wouldnt worry about ratings

[violet thorn]

I have 15%'s on 3 oranges

im actually seeting

and malding

[hot zephyr]

I perfer 20 health and 15 toughness over 21/16 because I like rounded numbers....

[cyan notch]

15% is really common

doesnt have anything to do with item rarity

[violet thorn]

Ik its RNG im just saying I alrady spent a ton of time getting 3 good oranges only to find out that they aren't as good

[violet thorn]

how do you know?

[deft fiber]

All curio stats additive afaik.

[near gale]

Higher item ratings have a higher chance of higher perk rolls

[cyan notch]

huh

[split oxide]

/jk

[cyan notch]

ratings are decided by perks tho

[violet thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-slap-mad-gif-16057834

[near gale]

I mean base ratings

[cyan notch]

so ur saying a 20% health roll has a higher chance of higher perks than a 19% health one

[split oxide]

4/4/3's keep me quiet

[violet thorn]

yea mine are poopy compared to these

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer40k-angron-primarch-angry-ultra-angry-gif-17080819

I thought the cap rating was 130

[near gale]

It does for me

[deft fiber]

Why toughness regen speed tho?

[cyan notch]

are you saying that for a fact or just conjecture

[split oxide]

These are AFTER Beta.. so RNG is perfectly possible.

[hot zephyr]

It's actually quite valuable.

[deft fiber]

It doesn't work, you know?

[hot zephyr]

Especially at higher difficulty where you get less breathing time between waves

[split oxide]

AtMalice, I normally only take Toughness damage

[near gale]

Idk if it's a fact, but, I get more t4 rolls on higher base rating curios

[hot zephyr]

Hard to test tho.

[deft fiber]

Yeah, i mean, it's bugged and doesn't have any effect.

[deft fiber]

https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/toughness-regeneration-speed-on-curio-bug/69379/3

[split oxide]

they can fix it, I can wait - Quell and Coherency normally keep me happy.

[cyan notch]

well i get same rolls on everything so i dont think thats true

[summer prairie]

I think it is

[violet thorn]

Wouldn't base toughness be better then regen anyway?

[summer prairie]

makes sense anyway

[near gale]

Do you reroll curios 100's of times?

[hot zephyr]

Well then I'll be happy when they fix it

[wet belfry]

Its slightly concerning tbh that it isnt fixed

[lament moon]

can someone tell me what soulblaze is doing ?

[cyan notch]

everyone does but yes

[violet thorn]

Like regen speed seems kinda bad

[near gale]

Then idk

[deft fiber]

Doing dmg. As a DoT.

[wet belfry]

Becuase that means the game is this easy even when huge elements of the builds are not working.

[violet thorn]

%regen increase would be cool

[lament moon]

i see... sounds fun 🙂

[violet yoke]

Pro tip... just don't get hit and ull be fine

[deft fiber]

Well, not that fun when you see the numbers

[lament moon]

D:

[deft fiber]

Untill you stack shit out of it.

[lament moon]

well that is my goal when im maxed XD

[viral solstice]

didnt know this existed but somehow not surprised

[split oxide]

All these curios mean dick if your team goes solo though...
Somedays your randos are god-tier pros, looking after each other.
Somedays you have 4x speedrunners(including yourself)

[deft fiber]

Well, you either use purgatus or build with 6 warp charges and ascending blaze, it's only viable atm options.

[deft fiber]

Time to grind.

[violet thorn]

you just have to BB random crap occationally for the first 5 minutes

its not too bad

[viral solstice]

no i mean i know its just funny that its precisely 299/300

[spring ruin]

When do other staves become available after the first one?

[split oxide]

I wouldn't worry about that till you hit level 30. it comes fast.

[cyan notch]

why do people keep calling it ascending blaze

[deft fiber]

At some lvls, doubt anyone paying attention which exactly.

[cyan notch]

was it called that before?

or is ascendant just not a common word for people

[hot zephyr]

English iz hard bruh

[deft fiber]

Idk, i just don't remember how exactly it called that's all

[cyan notch]

its not just you ive seen it alot which is why im curious

was it called that in beta or something

[winter idol]

isn't toughness regeneration speed related to the time before toughness begins to regen after taking damage?

[deft fiber]

Currently it's not related to anything it seems.

[winter idol]

interesting. It feels like it's working for me, could litereally be my imagination.

[orchid nest]

as far as I remember from the code I saw explained it's supposed to reduce the coherency regen delay but it just actually doesn't work at all right now I guess

[deft fiber]

I haven't seen difference myself as well using 3 x 20% curios with regen speed.

[winter idol]

hm

[hot zephyr]

I swore it worked fine for me too cus I equipped it and noticed a big difference, but maybe I just got-good and it's all in my head

Wasn't until literally 5 minutes ago when Edax linked that post saying it's completely busted I knew any difference

[winter idol]

Magic?

[split oxide]

T5 level nightmares that would require that.
Quell and Coherency build me back up in 10-15 seconds(active/passive) (as long as I stick close to my team)

[spring ruin]

Never notice toughness unless I’m actually testing it, and yeah the only time my toughness regenerates is near teammates or get melee kills

[winter idol]

that's intentional.

[orchid nest]

if they change/fix it to work like lynchpin that would be cool. would favor health stacking though.

[spring ruin]

Yeah but things aren’t well descriptive even the level 5 trait on Psyker. I got the 4 warp charges but seemed nothing was different

[split oxide]

I knw I know. the pinned-message lays out the reasons .. but as long as i sway away from flames and point-blank toxbursters, I'm fine
Surgespam lets me take out 1 mutie / 2 dogs at heresy without help.

• • click * * click * * click * flamers the are even easier.

[spring ruin]

It was fun watching people rush ahead and get a pox burster to the face before I could get a BB cast off on it

[orchid nest]

I wasn't really talking about that, just noting that if the curio perk worked like lynchpin that health is better synergized with that because coherency regen is a static amount and not a %

[steel egret]

Someone here tested it and said it works but it was unclear how it added up the reduction.

[split oxide]

ooh. I see your point.. wait - didn't it say 4%?
I dunno
.. anyhoo, when I get killed, it's normally mine or someone's fault, not 'stats'.
(my first game of the day .. I pity the unsuspecting randos)

[steel egret]

As amount of reduction was greater than he expected on psyker 3 second?

[orchid nest]

yeah it could be I guess. there is that linked thread that was acknowledged as not working at all but who even knows how thorough they are at checking that stuff or cross referencing with the employees who actually know

[steel egret]

If its just broken broken it can even be that 10 or 15 or 20 only works, or all but 1.

[orchid nest]

yeah true

[bleak saffron]

All psykers pay attention please!!!!
THERE IS A SURVEY IN THE LAUNCHER OF DT, REMEMBER TO FILL IT SO TO GIVE FEEDBACK!!!

[lament moon]

is that good ? idk

[steel egret]

No

[lament moon]

oki

[steel egret]

183

[lament moon]

i guess i jsut get the surge force staff then

[deft fiber]

Just lvl to 30 and don't bother a lot with upgrades.

[deft fiber]

"We've been thinking hard last week on a pain points that community highlighted and we announce you a survey"

[split oxide]

Context Matters:
FSwords are wetstraw & quick-nuke machines
If you're sub-lvl30/malice, it's okay.
If you hit lvl-30, it's bad.
Once you start grinding Malice+ (it's really bad)

• stick with an axe combat-atrox5 or some tactical for a chill fun life.
• get used to FSword for .. if you avoid melee like the plague but need it for 'special moments'

[bleak saffron]

I feel you, this is your chance to clearly point out such bad feeling you have... Fill the survey and don't hold back with negative answers...
Or don't and keep complaining here without doing anything that could change the situation, i'm a random person on the net (not a bot i swear!), not your commanding officer lol

[deft fiber]

Oh, no worries, i've left my opinion everywhere i can

[cyan notch]

LOL

[deft fiber]

Yeah, that's hilarious

[long wharf]

do they really expect people to not select everything?

[wet belfry]

"powerful weapons types can only be unlocked i nhigh levels"

Id say its the complete opposite.

[cyan notch]

i guess they really rushed this survey out huh

[wet belfry]

Rather your far to encouraged to stay playing malice for farming mats.

[split oxide]

I don't want to grind 400hrs to get my 'ideal kit'.

[hot zephyr]

Where is the link to this survey?

[wet belfry]

I dont disagree. I just find that specfic option a weird choice to include.

[bleak saffron]

Wow, so, all of them i guess lol

[bleak saffron]

In the launcher of the game

[hot zephyr]

Ah, explains why I haven't seen it, it's work-hours for me

[bleak saffron]

I admire your dedication to DT, you will have your time to fill it don't worry, it seems it has dropped today, they will not remove it soon... At least i hope

[hot zephyr]

I'm filling it in now 😛

[long wharf]

yeah, that survey tells me that we aren't going to see a patch for a month

[bleak saffron]

https://tenor.com/view/focus-commitment-will-gif-19916882

[deft fiber]

They have no rts genre in recent played games, wtf FatShark?

[long wharf]

FartShart is still trying to prioritize what to fix first

yeah, and Stardew Valley isn't a Sim game

and no flight sim stuff was listed

[deft fiber]

The week of intense and hard discussions became a survey

Should we fix technical problems at least? Naaah, let's make a survey

[elder briar]

[gray pendant]

Are nexus and flurry the best blessings for staff

[orchid nest]

Yeah and the survey is just as scuffed as the stuff that needs fixing. "I don't what they are for"

[gray pendant]

Cus mine is really similar

[elder briar]

Hmmmm id say so tbh

Some people prefer uh

Whats it called

[long wharf]

the idea of a survey isn't bad, it's all about trying to nail down where the best bang for their time buck needs to be

[elder briar]

Channeling

[long wharf]

however, that survey could have easily been about Vermintide

[deft fiber]

Do flurry work on surge tho?

[elder briar]

Yeah it works

[long wharf]

in fact, I wouldn't be surprised to learn it originally was

[gray pendant]

Yeah

[elder briar]

Why wouldnt it

[long wharf]

no, flurry doesn't work on surge

[gray pendant]

What?

[elder briar]

If ur spamming it it doesn’t work

[deft fiber]

I just remember that animation too long and flurry just doesn't stack

[gray pendant]

It seemed like it did before

[elder briar]

It should work if ur full charging

[grizzled jasper]

Yes beloved that is an exploding barrel

[split oxide]

I normally play CSSource/CSGO, so weapon perfomances are ... pretty standard.

• ginding for a single weapon is novel as 'plot device'
• not used to grinding 'as a way of life'. I have that IRL

[gray pendant]

Oh full charging thats why

I stopped doing that im most cases

[elder briar]

Well with surge u just spam

Purge u occassionally do full charges

If u have the time

[gray pendant]

Yeah

[elder briar]

Otherwise little quick charges

[split oxide]

Staffs leave a psyker vulnerable if they're isolated without a team.
A good psyker can lockdown hordes or cover - and bring a team to want to be together.

[deft fiber]

Yeah, it's not bad. At least it's something that looks like an action and may be it's just for future. But for sure technical problems and broken promises should take priority at first. Anyway content and crafting system doing different people(i hope, i wouldn't be surprised if they haven't dedicated teams ).

[cyan notch]

dear heavens look at the time its shop o clock

[gray pendant]

I love getting held down by ranged people cus im alone with flame staff

Deflect comes in clutch

[elder briar]

If flurry is completely useless ill just re-bless whenever that comes out

[deft fiber]

Slowly opens a browser tab.

[cyan notch]

i guess ill buy it

[orchid nest]

380 laspistol

[hot zephyr]

I'd rather they have a survey than just blindly implement the changes of whoever screams the loudest

[gray pendant]

Oh did they make a shop thing online

[cyan notch]

i have like 3 autoguns and 2 lasguns at 380 at this point but 0 staves

[hot zephyr]

Christ... that's a beauty right thar.

[cyan notch]

3% sprint speed coming in clutch

[hot zephyr]

I'd trade you my 380 surge staff one for of those guns lol. Surge gameplay loop is about as stimulating as watching paint dry

[gray pendant]

What is this?

[tough stump]

psker is hardest to master right

[lament moon]

how much missions are in the game ?

[orchid nest]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/1000s5t/formally_announcing_the_armoury_exchange/

[deft fiber]

Well, there are pretty clear what's wrong with the game at it's current state. So no need even a survey, but whatever.
For future sure, it's healthy, but listen to community is always double edged sword.

[gray pendant]

Oh cool thank you

[lament moon]

because it feels like i've saw everyone already

[cyan notch]

13

[hot zephyr]

They are used to the warhammer community, they'll know to take the survey results with a grain of salt

Or in our usual fashion, an entire salt mine

[lament moon]

with missions i mean maps btw ^^

[deft fiber]

I'm not sure they competent enough to know anything

[deft fiber]

5 or 6 i believe, just every map have variant with different path. So it's "more".

[hot zephyr]

As a software engineer, I assure you they are very smart people working on this game. They have to however deal with deadlines, managers, and investors, who can be some of the least reasonable people on the planet

[lament moon]

alright then i really think i was on every map already XD

[split oxide]

"What? you don't like StandUps?" - Commissar

[cyan notch]

hourglass throneside torrent metalfab chasmterminus so like 5 areas

[split oxide]

final enclavumbaross is too easy.

• 3x groups, left-button, right-button, medicae
• meet at top of stairs.
• 3 people spam horde on stairs.
• 1 person overwatch sniper and things that climb
  consignment yard is chill too

[deft fiber]

As a QA Engineer in gamedev i assure you, don't believe them in any way even if they a mimic a spark of mind Everyone should deal with same problems in different form, but their decision making just awful since their first game. Only that they fucked up every part of experience from VT2 prove that they haven't changed at all.

Only thing FatShark done right -- gameplay and visual/sound design.

[elfin crystal]

as a software engineer as well i assure you there is still probably a chunk of the devs that are very dumb and that it's not always the managers, investors fault tbh

[split oxide]

successful teams mask/compensate-for failures of C-suite.

[elfin crystal]

intelligence and wisdom are two different things too. lazyness is also a part of the equation just like opinions

[orchid nest]

you have to give them props for how progressive they are too. helping out the poor ogryns, who clearly wrote out this survey

[cyan notch]

LOL

some intern did it probably

it seems like it was translated or something

[deft fiber]

[hot zephyr]

Not wrong, but gamedev is also genuinely hard. So for the most part the dumb ones don't last very long.

[cyan notch]

maybe the person making it isnt a native english speaker

[elfin crystal]

btw question, anyone seen a new accolade after the 3 seals ?

[cyan notch]

some of the sentences are really odd

[split oxide]

Ifthey recognize there's a problem - maybe they'll do a better survey next time

[orchid nest]

yeah it does read like it went through google translate or something

[elfin crystal]

it's not that hard. it's just time investment heavy. because usually your time is not respected

[split oxide]

Scandanavian English.

[split oxide]

capitalizum babeeee

[deft fiber]

Depending on a systems you build. And how much interactions it should handle. Including all the setup that players have to run the games. For sure, some indie platformer not that hard in compare with MMO or online games in general.

[elfin crystal]

oh for sure, but that's mostly testing. not that thinking heavy. as i said, just time heavy

[hot zephyr]

Yeah, this is really it. Games have to run on so many different hardware configs, and internet speeds/quality, and the person installing your game may not even be very technically literate. Just having an installer that runs without crashing on the number of variants of hardware setups within people's home pc setups can be hard.

[mint heart]

Milker got this one in his shop at the moment...

[hot zephyr]

The gameplay loop is only a piece of the code, and you can't focus on it until the game runs smoothly for your clients

[elfin crystal]

if you were talking about performances where that usually ask you to play with the memory, then yeah it's a bit rougher, but really still not that bad

[split oxide]

Nice .. it all hinges on your next consecration..
⭐ or 🪣
😓

[hot zephyr]

So that survey says to me they are moving their focus away from the crashes/driver/vfx issues at launch and into gameplay refinement

[mint heart]

Yeah, also thinking it's worth a try, Warp resistance is irrelevant and quell speed is not that important on purge staff. Sadly the perks aren't that great.

[split oxide]

not great - but px/groaners are your primary prey.

• just thnk how happy your team would be to take down the 3 crushers + bullwark without the horde.

[mint heart]

Not really sure what ideal perks would be. I like to burn the shooty bois so I usually go for flak or unarmored. For the second blessing I would be happy with all of them besides run'n'gun 🥲

[deft fiber]

Well, when you need to build a backend architecture, for example, from scratch(or worse, rebuild existing) it's pretty thinking heavy. So it would be expandable, stable, stressful proof and so on. For sure, you can have some solutions in you background, but not everyone have it and can find-adapt to current project. For sure, it's not space or some since related software, but in most cases more demanding than even banking systems. There are a lot examples of gigabrain decisions for problems that doesn't even appears in usual enterprise software development.

[hot zephyr]

It's fine, the base stats are a little weak but I'd actually reroll the ranged damage bonus, not the sprint eff. You'll already murder hordes so hard with that much burn/cloud that you can spend the damage bonus elsewhere. Crit chance is actually great on a purge cus crits add extra stacks of the DoT

[hot zephyr]

(or worse, rebuild existing)
I can tell you are a well seasoned dev/QA lol 😛

[split oxide]

I use Surge: my primary targets are Muties, Hounds, ogryns and maniacs
(lock them down multiple chargers for 10-15 seconds and let the team tea-bag them)

[near gale]

Meanwhile those are 2 extremely important stats for the zap staff... :/

[near gale]

For surge my primary focus is everything but hordes... x.x

But especially elites/specials

[mint heart]

Yeah I think I do the same. I know about the crit dot that's why I'm even considering it, rarely ever see warp nexus higher then 3%. Thanks for the advice.

[elfin crystal]

to be fair, yes, backend can be hard, but there's also templates around for those things which a lot decide to use and improve upon. Others just pay contractors to do the server side management. If you want to be lazy. the options are there. it can be extremely easy. If they decided to rewrite/do the whole thing, that's a bit on them.

[rapid cliff]

Are we ever gonna get a force axe that would be cool

[hot zephyr]

Write highly optimized C for three weeks and tell me how much brain power you have left. It's brain-meltingly difficult to do basic things sometimes, especially when dealing with code that sometimes is years or decades old

[jagged badger]

Or should I keep rolling for something like -dmg gunners?

[split oxide]

https://tenor.com/view/chefs-kiss-french-chef-perfect-dish-excellent-food-perfection-gif-20341505

[hot zephyr]

Keep imo. You can get gunner resist on something else

[split oxide]

Do another one

[elfin crystal]

also you have to take other things in to account. game devs are usually taught how to program badly in the field. so much that if you have game dev on your cv, you'll have extreme difficulty to find a job outside fo the field. there's also the fact that engines and all that are dumbed down a lot, because not only software developers are expected to touch those, but also 3d artists and etc

[split oxide]

yup, it's gunners and hordes that kill...

[elfin crystal]

i work in c/c++/c# lmao. yes, it can be annoying at first, but it's not that bad

[jagged badger]

These are my other curios. But I think I will replace the Toughness one for a Stamina one maybe..?

[rapid cliff]

I have two 17% toughness curios and an extra wound one, I'm just contemplating if I should wait for another 17% toughness or keep the wound one

[split oxide]

I don't understand Flamer Resistance... You lose all your Toughness in one pop anyway.
The rest is like anything else.

[spring ruin]

Not to mention if you get caught by a bomber

[elfin crystal]

i assume in that case it mostly refer to the damage you receive after it removes your shield

[jagged badger]

It's on the list to replace for Sniper or Bomber

[elfin crystal]

sounds like a good deal since you always take 100% of that damage otherwise

[split oxide]

Flamer Resistance:

• It's not the flamer that kills me...
• it's his buddies after your Toughness is gone.

[elfin crystal]

that is fair ye

[rapid cliff]

Also is toughness or health better for psyker

[hot zephyr]

Fair, C# and C++ is like a stroll on the beach compared to C, and C vs Highly Optimized C is a huge leap too.

[elfin crystal]

iirc health

[rapid cliff]

I've heard toughness is best and health, both work well

That's what I've been thinking, but both work wonders tbh, I've had good luck

[spring ruin]

I heard anything that helps your survival is definitely good but I could be wrong

[elfin crystal]

yeah that's why i was talking about performances earlier. playing in memory in c can be annoying and brick shit

[jagged badger]

I found that with Purgatus and the second blessing you can you heal basically anything in toughness. My next question would be if that would mean I play a "toughness tank" and should get toughness corios over the health ones for this specific build?

[rapid cliff]

I also usually have that toughness on staff/warp weapon kill feat

So using the void staff shooting into a crowd gives me a shitload of toughness if not all of it back

[elfin crystal]

at the very least you want at least 1 wound

[split oxide]

context matters... (how often do you get hit)

• Health @ T5,
• Toughness @ T3

[deft fiber]

Yeah, problem is, templates aren't helping much. You still need to adapt it to your project and engine. It's a big problem of software in general which weren't using any standards for a long time, but now it's more or less sorted. In game development you need to make a nearly unique solution for every project except if it on the rails like CoD and such.

About field -- it's about all development which require different stack of known technologies/languages/frameworks and etc. So even in enterprise it can be hard to find another job if you were coding 10+ year in one exact company one exact thing. It's about person preferences and evolving mostly, not about "because you are from game dev".

And yes, we can take into account things like render of something(make a realistic water for example), tools development behind the engine and all this staff.

[elfin crystal]

anyone experimented with ability cooldown?

[hot zephyr]

I've worked in low level mainframe stuff at one point in my career, I know the pain that is memory addressing sometimes....

[rapid cliff]

I'm mentally unstable and get hit a lot but I have the feats to regen toughness so it's a bit of both

50/50

[split oxide]

Maybe psychological, Coherency seems to always help

[jagged badger]

I want to try it with a good lightning staff, Quicken, Lacerate, Psykinetiks aura

[spring ruin]

I play all classes so I switch a lot between range and melee but playing Zealot you really respect how limited you kinda are compared to even Psyker

[jagged badger]

I wager you can spam F a lot

[elfin crystal]

they can help a lot depending on the task and changes can vary from really easy to brain fuck depending on your task and whether you are making the right decision. sometime people take the wrong template and then realize what they want to do is undoable. again, like i was saying earlier, it's more about wisdom than intelligence when you are talking about software devs

[hot zephyr]

Assuming you mean Quicken, I tried Quicken a few times to combo with Force Sword + Deflector + Peril Block and it works really well for a super-block-tank Psyker, it basically feels like having a force-push + super-force-push, but you really are reliant on Communion to make it work, and you can drown in a horde.

[rapid cliff]

I'm almost to the 250 missions completed as psyker penance

[spring ruin]

3 classes have some kind of G ability that does both CC and Damage. Zealot grenades have decent CC but don’t really do damage

[rapid cliff]

Although I don't feel ready to change to another class yet I love being a psyker

[spring ruin]

Level 20 zealot with a 13 Ogryn and SS I just made a Psyker which is already level 5-7

[south zephyr]

which one is worth dropping mats on?

[split oxide]

Surge: I don't charge (I don't care about damage -except when I solo)
I pace(not spam) the shots(to increase the amount of time they're stunned for my Peril)

[elfin crystal]

no i meant the ability cooldown stat on curios my bad

but maybe i should try that one too. i forgot it existed

[spring ruin]

Sounds like a 100% quail purge idea

Pretty sure I spelt the bird spelling of that I forgot the proper spelling

[hot zephyr]

Yeah, you basically use it as a peril-generated-via-block-dump

[jagged badger]

I agree. I have a neat one with warp flurry on it so it inevitably just dps, even with pacing. And in this set up the point would be kill over stun anyways. In my described case at least.
I will give yours a shot. How do you pace it so you don't overheat too quickly and get overwhelmed when swarmed by a dozen+ enemies?

[elfin crystal]

[spring ruin]

Basically always being near or around 100% but because your ability comes back quickly you can just CC enemies and wreck their shit

[split oxide]

surge has limits against hordes. :/

[spring ruin]

Effectively you just turned Psyker into a Warframe build

[jagged badger]

I can work with that. Thanks!

[hot zephyr]

The pro-con list of the build Quicken/FS/Deflector/Deflection build comes out as:
Pros

• You have essentially unlimited block
• You have double mass-frontal-cone pushes
• You can essentially just block + walk everywhere and laugh, except with vs mass gunners
  Cons
• You absolutely have to pair it with a anti-horde weapon like Accatran or Purgatus
• The feat structure is very rigid, not much room to customize
• Limited ways to deal with non-orgyn elites like Mauler, Rager, Dog, Mutant, Flamer.

[austere estuary]

what on earth

[spring ruin]

Holy shit

[silk flax]

Cheese its... holy thats alot of hrs

[hot zephyr]

That is literally over 1000 days, or 2.8 years.

[spring ruin]

Probably want a high single target melee like the Psyker sword you’ll just risk having more things hitting you in that time but you can quickly clear up those attacking you

[hot zephyr]

FS = Force Sword

[spring ruin]

Gotcha

[hot zephyr]

Literally the cornerstone of the build

[cyan notch]

i dont see the point of just blocking and killing

[spring ruin]

I just try and dodge. So far Psyker is the only one that’s made me see a dodging limit

[hot zephyr]

Ironic, because the force-sword is the only weapon with unlimited dodge limit

[spring ruin]

But as zealot I dance around hordes with my crusher going ham

[cyan notch]

like ok u cant die to trash but what about bombers a bunch of maulers and crushers whose overheads you cant block a mutant comes and ur kinda getting slapped by everything

[alpine sable]

So have Psykers gotten their 2h force sword yet?

[spring ruin]

New Psyker I’m always meditating

[jagged badger]

Which of these to invest in for such a stunner Psyker?

[scarlet lily]

I am a focused channeling enjoyer

But only because it's nice when things go wrong

[split oxide]

playing .. check charge and Quell

[marsh token]

I move faster when I dodge than when I or others use their sprint. With the Psi Sword.

[hot zephyr]

The 367 and 354 are the best two of that lot. The 354 in particular rolled the +10% ranged to elites which if you rolled the 2nd perk to +5% crit chance (after you purple it) would be ideal for murdering crushers/bulwarks/metal-armour

[jagged badger]

But its innate critical bonus is lower chance and damage

[hot zephyr]

Yeah, the problem with the Force Sword is that you have unlimited dodges, and they don't lose distance past the dodge limit because there isn't one, but the dodges don't go very far.

[cyan notch]

412

[marsh token]

I dont think its a problem.
Its good to have unlimited Dodges 😄

[hot zephyr]

Yes, but minor differences in stats aren't everything, the difference in-game will be very small even if the crit chance is majorly lower. Surge Staff has a base 15% crit chance, so with +%5 and then 5 stacks of 2% from warp nexus, you'll be criting 30% of the time, which is absolutely monstrous. Factor in the extra damage to metal-armour, you'll actually be able to take advantage of the near max-damage roll more.

[orchid nest]

Well to be fair, right now you'll only ever see 2 stacks of warp nexus for the majority of the time

add it on to the pile of weird bugs/design

[hot zephyr]

Will you notice the difference between any of those staffs? Not really. The one 335 and 351 both have a bad dump stat, and you'll feel that for sure. But generally something with 60%+ on every stat will feel the same regardless with few exceptions.

[hot zephyr]

It's just a reaction-time issue. If you have good reflexes and situation awareness, it's not a problem, but when you have a brown-pants moment and hit dodge by reflex, that distance can mean the difference between getting out of the way of that mutant and getting a free chiropractic adjustment.

[stray pond]

Dodging dogs is the real fun challenge. Don't even try if you don't have good ping.

[atomic dagger]

emprah pls
stop giving your devoted psyker only rifles and pistols X(

[stray pond]

He's telling you to become a Gun psyker

I'm trying out being a gun psyker because Melk brought me a Crucian Roulette gun.

[hot zephyr]

Emprah has given you the ultimate blessing. A weapon to unleash his fury which requires only your finger and no charge-time. 😛

[stray pond]

Crucian Roulette is a bit of a drug.

[atomic dagger]

people told me as psyker you only want a crucian pistol - which is permant empty - to get the crit buff on your staff and melee weapon

[jagged badger]

I just hopped into the Psykaneum on Damnation to check and holy balls it's very noticable

[split oxide]

Charge & Quell allows you to Spam the everliving F out of elites to their knees..

• I never had my Surge interrupted
• so spam spam spam Warp Flurry is good.

[stray pond]

Well you can only have a gun or a staff so

Crucian is real nice with a Blazing Spirit FS

[atomic dagger]

ah yea my bad
wait a minute...

cant remember ... guess it was then to buff melee ?

[stray pond]

Yep

It's to buff melee

[jagged badger]

The 354 (404) Staff out-damages the 367 (412) one by a lot

650 vs 580

(Which is the perk alone?)

[hot zephyr]

Yeah, it's stat distribution is very nice. And like I said the extra crit chance + the range damage vs elites will really add up

[jagged badger]

Shockingly so.

[hot zephyr]

It's the combination of the high damage roll + the perk

[jagged badger]

It wrecks damnation maulers. 2 zaps its over

[atomic dagger]

i literally never seen 350+ base staffs

[hot zephyr]

Yeah, try it on the flak armoured trash mobs too, the RMB will jsut fry them

[jagged badger]

its amazing lmao

This entire system is so counter intuitive sometimes...

Makes me doubt the investment from grey into this..

[atomic dagger]

i stopped using surge staffs
its just too boring after several weeks
not sure who asked for my opinion but here you have it ^^

[hot zephyr]

That's fantastic lol. No need to doubt lol

[jagged badger]

I have been running almost exclusively Purgatus 🙂

[regal jasper]

How can i easily push 7 people of a ledge in 2 seconds

[orchid nest]

yeah thats a good purg, although I would keep rolling that perk into something better

[regal jasper]

I can confidently get 5 but i can never get a big enough group

[atomic dagger]

why doubt? gamble crafting starting with a high rating grey results in best items if you are lucky with the blessings

[jagged badger]

With the Purgatus I rolled it's "A horde? Best time to push!"

[hot zephyr]

tho you should reroll the damage to Specialists. The only specialists are the sniper, bomber, and something else. You really want +%unyielding or ranged damage to elites on there instead

[orchid nest]

I would do crit or unyielding

[hot zephyr]

Elites is literally like every special, vs specialists is like 3 types

[jagged badger]

Ye. Aiming for elites. But plasteel...

[split oxide]

Boring / Relaxing : two sides of the same coin?

[orchid nest]

crit is a good general one for it though

[atomic dagger]

what

[jagged badger]

Any thoughts on this one?

[atomic dagger]

where you get all these nearly omnissiah tier weapons?!
cheater!

[split oxide]

Nice.

• sometimes I forget if I'm a psyker with deflector or one with slaughter.
• sometimes - in the moment of panic - it costs me dearly.

[jagged badger]

Sour Milk blessed me with that sword.. 😦

[hot zephyr]

I was reading this a few weeks ago. It's like absolutely stupid. Elites are like basically every non-horde mob, the only "specialists" are like sniper, bomber, and gunner I think? Everything else is considered elite. anything that hurts specialists is basically useless

[orchid nest]

it's alright. good to keep for t4 blessing. would prefer slaughterer myself. but getting the weapon you want isn't so easy

[atomic dagger]

exorcist is a bit weak but hey who cares ?! it has good rating and deflector on it

[jagged badger]

And this is where I would say "What do I replace it with"

[hot zephyr]

Swap Weakspot for +25% to Maniacs or +20% block effiency , otherwise that's essentially BIS imo.

[atomic dagger]

wait a minute
do you just show off your best items ?

[jagged badger]

No, mommy. I am not pleased.

[hot zephyr]

Exorcist is like BIS, I'd take it over slaughterer every time

[atomic dagger]

get into the plasteel mines
mommy hadron is hungry

[jagged badger]

No. I am asking how to improve them. I am outsourcing. Because clearly I don't have all the info. Like the Elites and Specials BS noted up above

[atomic dagger]

why why?
how can you get peril issues with force blade?

[orchid nest]

it's.. alright. if it was initial hit instead of repeated it would be a lot better. in the context of purg you're better off not even using it to quell. slaughterer increases soulblaze damage and is stacked by soulblaze kills

[jagged badger]

Sometimes I am at high peril with staff when I have to swap to melee. I sometimes swing and/or push automatically. It has saved me a few times from going

[atomic dagger]

stop this furry heresy at once sibling

[jagged badger]

NEVER

[hot zephyr]

Yeah, it's nice to be able to nearly infinitely charge and smack bosses too

[hot zephyr]

it can also save you when drowning in a horde with FS, cus you can't just cut your way out with your shitty single-target dps attack patterns, so you can decrease your peril-block by jsut swinging away

[orchid nest]

purg is more dps than force sword specials vs plague ogryn and beast of nurgle and you don't get a chance to repeated weakspot hit much on the asssassination boss

[hot zephyr]

Yeah, like Purg is S-tier god-mode tho. So saying FS isn't as good as Purge is comparing apples and goldfish

[atomic dagger]

at least in t4 missions the left click spam still works for me to get out of a horde

[jagged badger]

I have yet to figure out how to reliably use the horizontal swipe (second heavy) with the FS without being stuck in the first heavy melee..
Also I sometimes swing the charged sword horizontally which seems to be amazing cleave. Wonder if that can be forced in hordes over popping. But I fear not

[atomic dagger]

im not killing but i am also not stuck

[orchid nest]

yeah this whole convo is about pairing it with purg though. that's my whole point, is that exorcist isn't that great with purg

[hot zephyr]

It still works in T5 with +25% to Infested too.

[hot zephyr]

Oh, I missed the paring with Purge part. I'm dumb. Yeah it's less great then

Through depending how they fix the bug, that benefit may go away when they fix the critcian roulette issue too

Cus it's possible we shouldn't have buffs affects our other weapon

[jagged badger]

What melee do you pair with the Purgatus?

[orchid nest]

I am expecting that slaughterer will no longer boost soulblaze after a fix but still stack it from the kills

[hot zephyr]

I use a chainsword with my purg personally, cus the passive peril quell + nice cleaves + activation for single-targets gives you all the options

[jagged badger]

hmm.,.. I will see if I can buy some good CS to give it a go

[atomic dagger]

am i the only one just using the good equipment i get my hands on and make do with it?

[atomic dagger]

chainsword ...
thats not an elegant weapon from a brutal era

[orchid nest]

I do like FS with purg although the mundane weapons have their benefit too for passive quell. I just don't find myself even taking advantage of passive quell that much though with purg because it's so easy to just sit on the staff where you would otherwise be forced into pulling out melee with a lot of other things

[atomic dagger]

yeah i feel like as psyker you should stay on staff as much as possible

when i have to go into melee as psyker shit somehow goes down pretty quick all the time

[orchid nest]

like I love antax or even chainsword yeah with surge but FS feels pretty good with purg to me. I do mess around with dagger/duelling sword though too sometimes just for fun zooming

[long wharf]

I dislike the fsword moveset

[hot zephyr]

Block > push > heavy > heavy > light > light > repeat. It's literally a blender

[long wharf]

My combat axe coming out means ppl are gonna die, and die fast

[orchid nest]

they need to change the second light for sure

[jagged badger]

Thank you, Siblings. I learned. Back to lurking and refining... see yall in another 100 hours

[hot zephyr]

We don't do elegance in the 41st millennium

[jagged badger]

[atomic dagger]

hope the omnissiah rids you of this

[atomic dagger]

elegance and grace > everything

[orchid nest]

we just need force axe

[long wharf]

That'd be nice

[hot zephyr]

We found the Aeldari inquisitor, what shall we do with him?

[atomic dagger]

*force chain axe

[mental vortex]

cadia lowkey overrated ngl

[austere estuary]

executor t4

is where it's at

this is t3

t4 will mean one-tap ragers

in damnation

[atomic dagger]

what no, look at my ears - dont mind the scars on top
i am a total human human and i do like to do the normal human things everyone likes
like dying for the emperor, standing or not seeing far

[jagged badger]

That would be ridding me of me. NEVER!

[austere estuary]

also PSA that Cerebral Lacerations bizarrely works on Brain Burst damage

so a second BB on a target benefits from it

[hot zephyr]

His vox is tuned to a strange channel that doesn't play the emperor's hymn's either... It claims to play "human music"... What on terra is that?

[austere estuary]

this, combined with t4 executor and 6 stacks of warp charge, should make crushers a two-tap in damnation from BB

maaaaybe even reavers, but not sure on that

reapers*

[atomic dagger]

BB is were its at

[hot zephyr]

This can depend on your vet a lot. Sometimes you just want to drop a single BB to open them up for your vet. Other times you need to actually finish them yourself

[austere estuary]

crushers, not bulwarks

bulwarks are an easy two tap even with just executor 2

or 1

or all or nothing 4

With executor 4, flamers should also go back to being 1 taps as well as ragers

[stray pond]

Well that's gotta be a bug, but a good one to know about

[atomic dagger]

maybe a dumb question... but what exactly does the executor blessing do ?

[austere estuary]

stacking power

based on chained weakspot hits

t4 is 5%, up to 5 stacks

[magic burrow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1jWdeRKvvk

[atomic dagger]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kGNsbnb9D4

[stray pond]

Isnt BB always a weak spot hit?

[magic burrow]

not on veterans

Their brains are too smooth. Brain burst just slides right off.

[wet belfry]

What should i replace as a perk

[atomic dagger]

none?
not worth it

[bronze hound]

Not bad

[pearl delta]

It's fingers aren't equadistal. 1/10

[hot zephyr]

I wouldn't rereoll either tbh, you could upgrade one of them to +25% of the same perk, but I don't think that's worth the plasteel, you probably won't hit any key breakpoints anyways

[hot zephyr]

It's pretty nice, what you roll on your second perk is going to matter a lot

If you roll something absolute garbage for sure like +8% damage to groaners you'll wanna change it to +5% crit chance, but if you get something good and can replace the maniac damage with crit chance that has BIS potential

Pray really hard to hadron when you purple it

[bronze hound]

8% ranged weak spot dmg it is

[hot zephyr]

https://tenor.com/view/whomp-whomp-whomp-whomp-so-sad-smallest-violin-violin-gif-22252865

[bronze hound]

Aha...

Oh well, I guess it still good I guess

[hot zephyr]

Yeah, perks aren't critical, def reroll into + to flak or crit chance, maniacs will still mean you shock the pants off ragers and mutants while is really good

[bronze hound]

This is what I was using

[hot zephyr]

Jeez, that's really nice too actually. Change that infested to flak and it 's pretty close to BIS other than the base stats

Ranged Damage, Crit Chance, and Flak Armour are your best perks

Caraspace is ok too, but so much more flak armour

[bronze hound]

Don't know if stcking to my trasncendant or swap to my new purple

[hot zephyr]

To the meat grinder!

[bronze hound]

Yes sir

[stray fractal]

Do force swords get rid of peril faster?

[magic burrow]

they passively quell peril slower than regular melee weapons

because youre supposed to active quell

[hot zephyr]

my guess of what you'll find is that they feel very similar, the base stats are nicely distributed as an all-around increase. The extra crit chance from the 2nd blessing might feel stronger tho if you roll enough crits often enough. 346 vs 380 isn't a big enough jump in just pure stats to notice it too much unless that causes you to hit a breakpoint

[bronze hound]

Yeah, that's exactly what I'm finding. They both feel quite similar, nothing really big on numbers or even in crit chance even tho the 346 hast the 2nd blessing. I don't know, it kinda let me down, I was specting something more... exciting 😦

[hot zephyr]

Yeah, the thrill of your first 380 kinda ends with a wet fart when you realize it's maybe like 5% better than a 320 item with decent rolls

[bronze hound]

Yeah, not worth I'm afraid. Will stick to the 346 I guess, cause the 2nd blessing and better perks I guess, but yeah, it deffo feels... the same lol

[hot zephyr]

Yeah, I had the same thing. I had a 312 autogun and found a 375 of the same style/mark, and really the only thing improved was the dump stat so really didn't change the handling or power very much

The 312 had some seriously BIS perks tho to compete with that big of a jump

[bronze hound]

I feel you. The 370-380 number looks shiny and so big at first but It doesn't make a HUGE difference if your previous/current weapon has some decent stats + good perks & blessings

[hot zephyr]

Yeah, honestly anything 340-350+ with good rolls or distribution is perfectly solid endgame gear

[bronze hound]

Yes indeed. No more thrilling on 380s for me 😛

[hot zephyr]

I think one of my force swords is like a 346 base or something but it's almost impossible to replace cus it rolled a high tier deflector and +10% melee weakspot

[bronze hound]

Yup. I'm using a 352 force sword because it has deflector and it isn't even high tier (I think it is in fact a low one. 6% reduced block maybe)

[hot zephyr]

Yeah, long story short is if you aren't one of the lucky folks who rolled a 380 it really doesn't matter. player skill outweighs perfect gear stats.

[bronze hound]

Absolutely. Is just not worth waiting for "THE 380", at all, imo.

[hot zephyr]

Yeah, it's far better to spend your store-rolls looking for 350+ with good rolls for every spec/gear loadout

All the staffs, bunch of autoguns, all the melee weapons, etc etc

That way you can vary your playstyle for fun, instead of being locked into one spec/loadout

[bronze hound]

That's right, yeah, good weapons, reliable and trusty 🙂

Still buggers me off having a 380 that is not what I was expecting tho haha. A reality check idd

[shy crag]

Thank you Emperor!

[marsh token]

I spam the dodge all the time with my Psyker. For me there is no time window to "Press dodge in the right moment". Not sure how the Game handles Hitbox and Dodge (its feel a little weird), but its like 90% of Attacks missing me when i spam dodge all the time (and i really spam it all the time without break 😅)

[runic gate]

I hope you all are taking the new Survey on the launcher. Be brutally honest if you want this game to change/improve.

[wanton cove]

Haven’t seen it yet but I will

[south zephyr]

groaners/pox to flak?

[jagged badger]

Keep the 5% crit chance or roll for +dmg to elites?

[wind glade]

Does the maintaining maximum warp charges for 300secs mean straight or just for 300 seconds total throughout the map?

[jagged badger]

In one go

[stray yacht]

Straight

[valid lake]

straight

its really sucks when you get to 299/300

[wind glade]

Ugh so annoying, someone always shoots the damn thing I’m trying to pop right when I need to refresh

279 is my best

[stray yacht]

That one was at least achievable, unlike the pop your head, kill 3 elites. Which is kicking my butt.

[valid lake]

i hear doing it in high int hearasy or dmanation with purge staff and AB(dont hit f) is the easy way to do it

[jagged badger]

I just cant kill enemies by killing myself

I just cant

idk how

[stray yacht]

True, it counter intuitive to normal play

[earnest peak]

more crits means more 2x applications of soulfire

[austere estuary]

you can still use F - purg generates charges very quickly

when I use purg, I'll often ult, then quickly jump right back to 3-6 charges in one or two casts

[valid lake]

you can but it dumps your WC for warp battery

[austere estuary]

like I said

you'll often end up immediately with full charges again

it generates warp charges exceptionally quickly if you have good crit

esp in hi intensity where you have reams of hordes to feed on

[twilit cobalt]

Is using the plasma gun better for out with a bang

[valid lake]

its about the same it still sucks to get

[safe pendant]

If the plasma gun explosion can trigger a psyker penance, can using any gun on a non vet class trigger their make every shot count penance?

[stray pond]

Nope

Plasma gun explosion is just flagged as a perils explosion for some ungodly reason

[magic burrow]

the plasma gun is just a copy pasted voidstrike with ammo and more damage

[near wyvern]

Not really as the projectile penetrates objects, altho the explosion effect might be a copy/shared

[long wharf]

Is this for real?

[stray pond]

People have gotten their penance through plasma gun explosions so I can only assume it is

[balmy zealot]

What's y'all take on psykers in damnation

[stray pond]

Bring at least one wound curio, that's my take on Psyker in damnation.

[long wharf]

has it been recorded?

[stray pond]

Pretty sure it has but I don't know where it'd be. I can check youtube RQ

[twilit cobalt]

Is the key to out with a bang being near a edge

[long wharf]

Nope

Key is hit elites after you've weakened them in a controlled manner

[stray pond]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3W1ZhuOEeII

@long wharf It's real yep

[long wharf]

God that's fucky

[deft trench]

Vet is so balanced they can do other classes pennances

[long wharf]

Peak FartShart competence on display

[stray pond]

Just give Psykers a plasma gun and it's fair

[long wharf]

Why doesn't the plasma explosion kill the vet?

[stray pond]

It downed him

Same as perils

[long wharf]

Ok good

[prime vortex]

interesting mission reward

[hot zephyr]

For a 321 base that's actually quite good... I'm conflicted if it's worth the plasteel to reroll one of the perks. I'm always tempted to keep maniac damage but you probably don't wanna fight Ragers or Mutants with a Dueling Sword.

[prime vortex]

i probably won't keep it for long might use it for fun

I've got like 2,5k plasteel might as well use it

+4% crit chance maybe to go all for crits xd

[hot zephyr]

Yeah, I mean I think mutants is the one to reroll, maybe reroll to + elite damage? Or maybe +25% infested to two-shot poxes if you play on Damn

[mellow valley]

any news on when new content is coming?

we should have gotten a community response or something this week as i understood

[deft trench]

Fatshark works on swede-speede

[mint heart]

I'm currently playing with this one... does warp flurry even work?

Can't say I notice a charge increase

[mellow valley]

charge rate is very low on that staff

[mint heart]

Yeah I was thinking I spam like 2-3 instant secondaries and then a charged one

[mellow valley]

need a bit bigger role on that but i dont have that blessing to know

[hot zephyr]

+10% per stack on a 26% stat roll will not be noticeable, that's an unfortunate stat roll.

[mint heart]

Was an Emps gift so luckly nothing lost.

What would be ideal for the surge?

[hot zephyr]

a BIS surge perk/blessing set would imo be:
+5% Crit Chance
+10% Damage to Elites
Warp Nexus +4% crit stacks 5 times on chained secondary
Terrifying Barrage suppress within 9m

[mint heart]

Gotcha no breakpoints or why the elite dmg?

[mellow valley]

the crit will top the bonus damage

[hot zephyr]

You could argue for +to flak or carapace instead but imo surge isn't about damage dealing, you wanna just CC and CRIT like crazy.

[mint heart]

Buildwise I went for this. Noticed I can reliably keep some stacks while spaming my ult to lose my peril.

[hot zephyr]

I used to use that but noticed on Damnation that wrath in lvl 10 perks could push my force sword over key breakpoints like two shoting poxwalkers and 1 shoting armored ragers

[stray pond]

Surge sometimes randomly does a fuck ton of damage I find

[deft trench]

and then randomly it takes 3 full charges to kill 1 dreg, i hate the surge lol

[mint heart]

My usual build would be 3-2-1-1-3-3 for surge and void, I'm not using the fs anymore. Pretty much only duelling sword.

[stray pond]

It be like that

[hot zephyr]

Yeah so that build makes sense then.

You can technically use AB to dump stacks if you want for added horde control, but if your running dueling that's probably not an issue for you and might get more from KBing down unarmored elites like scab ragers or dogs

[mint heart]

What works well for me with lvl 15-2 and KB

Especially with gunner and shotgunner spam

[hot zephyr]

That's also a very valid consideration

[mint heart]

You can pretty much press ult, cast your bbs and be rdy again for another ult

Of course not always, depends on the situation

[hot zephyr]

I do something similar with my gun build. ULT for mass stagger on an elite group, mag dump to kill, ULT is basically back up

It's quite solid when you run up into a rager or shotgunner pack

[near wyvern]

@long wharf I tested out some soulblaze damage, tested all armour types for 12 stacks except maniac to 24 stacks and carapace & unyileding to 22 stacks.

The damage formula seems to check out that is in the code leak, x = stacks / 31 and base damage = x^2(3-2x)*500. I confirmed this using Julia 1.8.3 assuming damage numbers in psych are rounded up. There were only 2 outliers that did not fit in to the formula, unarmoured 3 stack damage (0.13 error) and maniac 23 stack damage (2.33 error).

With this information I was able to easily solve the armour multipliers for soulblaze so they are:

• unarmoured, 0.751
• infested, 0.628
• flak 1
• maniac 0.5
• unyielding 0.825 (including psyker 10% elite bonus because all unyielding are elites)
• carapace 0.055 (including psyker 10% elite bonus because only crushers)

So if you want to know how much damage N stacks do, get the base damage from the formula and multiply by one of those numbers. If you want to compare in psych, round up to next integer and it should match.

I haven't tested how the Psyker elite 10% bonus stacks but given that 0.825/1.1 = 0.75 and 0.055/1.1 = 0.05 which are nice values it may be multiplicative. Also, soulblaze seems to always matches body armour except for reaper which is counted as unyielding.

...

Oh and staff is only able to apply more stacks up to 15 unless you crit on the last application which results in 16 stacks. Feats seem to have no limit and will always apply stacks. Based on the leak the ultimate limit is 31.

[long wharf]

Interesting

[mint heart]

@hot zephyr Do you always full charge the surge?

[long wharf]

Means fsword might be better for single target soulblaze kill

[hot zephyr]

Absolutely not. Minimum charge spam for CC, I only full charge when I need to dps a group of say crushers or something where the damage helps the team significantly. You're better off in 95% of cases stun locking with minimum charge to cc for the team

[mint heart]

I'm asking because of my previously posted staff, since it only got 26% charge I pretty much only use it for cc

And KB for elite specials etc.

[hot zephyr]

Yeah. Crusher, mauler, dreg rager clusters maybe? That's about it.

[mint heart]

Wondered if higher charge rate allows to almost always full charge and still cc enough

[supple skiff]

hello friends; still nothing as far as news goes I see

[hot zephyr]

Charge only increases damage and not very much so. At least not in amounts that really hit any breakpoints. It's not peril effective

If you wanna do it for fun or style points that's another thing

[austere estuary]

warp flurry does not work on surge

[hot zephyr]

But it's technically not the best thing your can do for your team

[mint heart]

Gotcha, thanks

[proud mantle]

i remember someone here said you need to charge more to stun mutants

[hot zephyr]

Mutants are completely stun immune as far as I am aware.

The only way to stop them is death

[proud mantle]

def not true you can stun them with surge

[fierce sinew]

surge and ogryn charge stop mutants

[mint heart]

I noticed that I have to charge more to push off dogs from people

spaming doesn't work

[hot zephyr]

F is best for pushing dogs off since it's instant

[hot zephyr]

Hmm. Ok maybe I'm misremembering then. I was pretty sure mutants were unstoppable but I could be wrong. Been a few weeks since I played surge staff really. I find the gameplay loop on it not stimulating

[austere estuary]

surge stuns them

[mint heart]

I just played a round mutants are def stunable with surge

[austere estuary]

been that way as far as I recall

[mint heart]

there is a moment in their animation where they just ignore it

I believe when they miss someone and like shake around they wont care about the surge.

[hot zephyr]

Oh. Yeah it's the purge staff stagger they are immune too. The surge works yeah

[near wyvern]

And works through walls as long as you are within the reach

[hot zephyr]

That's my bad. Sorry. Didn't mean to spread bad information

[near wyvern]

Purge left click staggers dogs as well but it's hard to land. Right click staggers too but the stagger only comes out like 1-2 seconds into the animation, which for dogs is usually too late.

Left is instant stagger

[supple skiff]

I like trying to stop a pounce with a FS peril push and failing 80% of the time

[atomic dagger]

but ... warp battery QQ

[fresh reef]

reminder to take the feedback survey in the launcher

[supple skiff]

I've heard the grammar in that survey is an affront to the Emperor himself

also that there is no mention of the cash shop

[boreal cave]

opinions?

[prime vortex]

Does the Purgatus staff kill enemies with soulblaze, technically?

[austere estuary]

es

yes*

[prime vortex]

Ascendant Blaze then seems like an alright pick with it then

[austere estuary]

it is excellent with it

you become a warp charge battery

it pairs very well with the 6 charges

[manic needle]

It's an escpecially good pick, since the warp charges you get are from enemies who die while they have an active soulblaze debuff on them

It doesnt even have to be the soulblaze that kills them, and the debuff doesnt even have to originate from your character's abilities specifically

[stray fractal]

has anyone noticed a recent influx of psykers

[near gale]

I have been leveling my psyker lately >.>

[stray fractal]

bc now that i chose to level up the psyker im getting a shit ton of level 5 psykers in my game,

like 3

or 4

[near gale]

I'm way over level 5, lol

5x that, actually

[manic needle]

A lot of people who mained other classes at the start are probably branching out a bit, but also Im a bit suspicious about the matchmaking system

[stray fractal]

im only 16 so im doing tier 3

but im not good enough on psyker to carry

[manic needle]

I tend to get paired with more people of the same class type

[stray fractal]

and its been detrimental

[near gale]

You haven't done the dueling sword IV Surge combo

[stray fractal]

why is it thjat way

that what i was thinking as on the other 2 characters ive leveled upo never got this many psykers

[manic needle]

No idea, if that's actually a mechanic and not just selection bias on my part, then it seems counterintuitive to creating a balanced party

[stray fractal]

indeed

[wanton cove]

Feels like this for sure

[near gale]

Well, when I can hard carry with the surge staff on malice... idk... x.x

[stray fractal]

its just psykers arent the strongest, and what ive heard it gets better at 20 and amazing at 30 but for now im stuck feeling kinda useless

ill try that combo

always like the force sword more for melee tho

[near gale]

Force sword SUCKS for hordes tho

Sucks so bad x.x

[wanton cove]

It does.

Not meant for horses for sure

[stray fractal]

i guess i like the special ability\

[wanton cove]

Hordes to lol

[near gale]

I think the dagger is better, for hordes... 😭

[stray fractal]

remind me of my hammer

[hot zephyr]

That's really nice. I wish I had a chainsword with those blessings. I'm stuck with wrath and rev it up.

[brittle crest]

whew finally hit 30

[hot zephyr]

You can mitigate it's terrible horde clear if you are willing to sacrifice a lot of other things on it. You need +25% to infested perk on it, the boost to force weapon damage fear from lvl 10, and at least 2 warp charges, and then you can TWO shot a damnation poxwalker instead of THREE hitting it.

The above was written with maximum trolling in mind

[near gale]

I was like "wtf am I reading and why the fuck am I understanding it?"

[hot zephyr]

Yeah I tried for so long to make force sword not awful vs hordes

In the end that was the best I could manage

If you wanna force sword you gotta pay the price of bringing a horde clear weapon like purgatus or accatran VI

Or the sheer force of willpower needed to suffer through 300 left clicks to clear a horde

[near gale]

Yeah, knife is only like... 275 clicks

way better. :/

[hot zephyr]

Yeah there's a reason I started running chainsword

Feels like a hot knife through butter compared to the frustration of FS

[gray pendant]

Do you have to do the charge attack with chainsword

Or can you just left click

[hot zephyr]

Depends. Single target just activate then left click. Clearing a horde you wanna use a rotation of block > push > heavy > heavy > light > light > repeat

[gray pendant]

Oh ok

Ive been using with fs and just clearing with staff for too long

[hot zephyr]

Chainsword has the benefit of being as versatile as the force sword but trades a little bit of damage and some armor pen on the activate buff in exchange for insane horde clear potential

[gray pendant]

Having deflect is nice for running fire staff tho

[thorny crypt]

wat is best fire staff build for psyker guys? just reached lvl 30

[gray pendant]

Not being held down by ranged

[thorny crypt]

have a fire staff

[gray pendant]

Like blessings wise?

I have warp flurry and warp nexus on mine

[thorny crypt]

feats

[hot zephyr]

Typically the feat setup is 321212 but there's a few options

[gray pendant]

Someone said flurry was bugged tho

[fringe garden]

I think auto quell and how it still triggers quietude is equal to Deflection in situational utility. Different situations, obviously, but easily it's match.

With the upside of Axes and Chainswords being typically superior to FS in melee potential

[gray pendant]

Auto quell would be nice to have

Just havent gotten blessed by the shop yet

Literally every fs ive had has been deflect

[fringe garden]

by auto quell I mean how every non-force melee weapon quickly depletes peril automatically whenever you use them

So it creates this fluid gameplay where you pull out your staff, quickly burst with it and building up peril, then switching to an axe or chainsword to autoquell your peril while killing foes in melee. All the while the autoquell is restoring toughness.

You rinse and repeat.

[stray fractal]

Just so i get this straight, what do y'all think is the psykers role is in game? Whats the most efficient use of the character?

[gray pendant]

To cry and cope

Seethe and mald

[fringe garden]

Just depends on the weapon loadout.. like with any class. A strong axe and a surge staff provides fantastic CC with strong single target and decent horde clear. A deflection FS with a purge staff provides excellent defensive ability for clutch revives and the ability to burn down any horde in seconds.

[hot zephyr]

Psyker is a support class. Depending what weapons you bring or feats you pick we can do anything well. Horde clear, elite murder, killing unyielding or bosses. But you always have to make trade offs in your build cus you can't be best at everything at the same time.

[fringe garden]

And a lot of that currently depends on the luck you get with items