psyker-class

[marsh ermine]

And then said since I was back seating them already

They dropped lobby

[wet jacinth]

[manic needle]

Bullet dodged regardless

[wet jacinth]

Me having played pubs with 2 flamer zealots along with my purgatus

[manic needle]

Who wants to be in a game with someone who is preemptively salty?

[wet jacinth]

🔥

[marsh ermine]

Yeah I wasn't terribly sad but I was like... Wut?

[near wyvern]

They do already. Just equip a gun and you can feel their heads explode behind their monitors.

[manic needle]

"STOP MICROMANAGING ME!!" is not a reasonable response to "Hey what weapon are you using so I can swap loadouts to synergize?"

[marsh ermine]

I don't want to bring flamer along with h sword If you got cc locked down

Or I'm fine with it, I can swap to take up that roll

[manic needle]

More like auto kick tbh

[near wyvern]

Has anyone else tried Combat Knife with Kinetic Deflection and an auto gun / revolver just for the Crucian Roulette?

The DPS on the knife push attack spam is insane.

[marsh ermine]

Ok lol,good to hear, I was like... Did I actually say something wrong?

[wet jacinth]

[near wyvern]

[floral solstice]

psyker bad delete our class the end jk

[marsh ermine]

Not me, but If it's crucian build it's prolly stupid fun

[wet jacinth]

You aren't playing darktide. If it isnt 4 Ogryns in your squad.

[marsh ermine]

Yee, need to get to work on it

[wet jacinth]

Crucian roulette working on melee isn't intended and the devs haven't put in the fix yet

[marsh ermine]

Yeah

I use it occasionally for the stupid fun

[wet jacinth]

Another thing is.

[marsh ermine]

But I don't really build around it or suggest such

[wet jacinth]

This may also apply to other blessings affecting other weapons and etc as well

[marsh ermine]

It definitely does

Trick shot on vovler

Also adds power to melee

[wet jacinth]

Just give revolver saltzpyres BracerPistols twirl please

[marsh ermine]

As zealot (sorry ik ik) my ultimate cheese build dream is h sword with crucian/trickshot revolver

[wet jacinth]

Eh it's alright

[ornate hamlet]

hm....

[wet jacinth]

People talk about classes in all 4 class channels anyhow

Idk why people here got so triggered so badly about it when it happens daily

[marsh ermine]

To get 40% crits and 20% power on top of hsword inherent bonuses and headtakeee

[wet jacinth]

Iirc

[manic needle]

I guess some people really want to rehash the same old "this staff is the best and all others are shit" conversations that play out every day, over and over again

[wet jacinth]

You can get crucian roulette on braced autoguns

[marsh ermine]

Yeah, I'm in zealot chat and we talk shop about other classes in the reg. One guy earlier got real defensive when I responded to someone mentioning zealot

[marsh ermine]

I believe it's only HH variety

[wet jacinth]

Ogryn/vet chat ironically are the most chill

[ornate hamlet]

best staff is teh invisible one

trauma staff just sucks period tho

if fatshark was even paying attention they'd see that like 0.1% of the psyker population actually use it

[wet jacinth]

Trauma staff needs a rework

[ornate hamlet]

it has needed a rework since the closed beta lol

[wet jacinth]

It's a copium voidstrike

[floral solstice]

oh my sweet summer child, you are lucky

[marsh ermine]

One of my most joyous games ever

[ornate hamlet]

fatshark KNOWS trauma staff is garbo, that's why it's the first staff available to psykers while leveling up

they just don't care

[floral solstice]

i've seen shield ogryns just hunker down their shields vs purely melee hordes

[marsh ermine]

Was me zelly and 3 big ogryn

[ornate hamlet]

3 ogryn and 1 psyker is a great group btw

[marsh ermine]

And they were roleplaying the fuck outta protecting "lil shouty"

[ornate hamlet]

just stand inside them when they do that and pick everything off

or spam purg

yeh

[marsh ermine]

Does the staff that does soul blaze also pass through all enemies and allies

Like flamer

[wet jacinth]

Yes

[marsh ermine]

Fuck yes

[ornate hamlet]

yes, uncharged and charged attacks pass through allies, but uncharged attacks don't pass through enemies, they do have some aoe tho

[floral solstice]

it's pretty much flamer with food coloring and slightly less damage, not sure if it staggers less too if compared to flamer with stagger bless

[wet jacinth]

Purgatus staff is slower than flamer. But it's technically inf ammo and iirc it's tap fire is better

[marsh ermine]

Also I saw on YouTube.... Apologies....

That staff has unlimited stacks?

[wet jacinth]

It has a cap

Iirc crit hits apply stacks beyond the full stacks

Could be wrong

Typically Warp Nexus is a Blessing you want for Purgatus

[marsh ermine]

Are you daring to suggest...

A YT'rs might be wrong?

Lol

[west galleon]

Im conflicted... i really like using the staffs, but compared to my 100 shot lasgun they suck ass and i dont really like sucking ass (shocker)

What do

[wet jacinth]

A gunpsyker

[cyan notch]

if u like your 100 shot lasgun use that then (not actually 100 shot)

[wet jacinth]

Gunpsykers are typically not very well liked

[west galleon]

Also i enjoy force sword but like the devils claw moveset more

[floral solstice]

nice, another catachan enjoyer like me

i run mk 4 myself when i run surge

[marsh ermine]

Equivalent of knife zealot? xD

[wet jacinth]

Imean. Only force swords heavy 2 is the effective cleave.

[wet jacinth]

Gun psykers have to grab ammo and lose the utility staffs bring to the team

[marsh ermine]

Devil claws are p legit

[floral solstice]

not to that extent, it's more about knife zealots being overrated especially by youtubers claiming it's crazy broken

[west galleon]

While it feels better to not take the peril weapons it feels like im castrating my class

[floral solstice]

people just prefer one less person stealing their ammo so they can waste their brauto gun rounds on trash hordes

[wet jacinth]

Imo it's a bad comparison considering both weapons fill different roles.

[marsh ermine]

Yeah for sure, they are very good in a niche role, but I mean ppl don't realize that

[wet jacinth]

Knife zealot be nerfed but still strong :/

They would have to nerf his toughness DR

Idk why that one feat gives 75% toughness damage reduction

[marsh ermine]

Knife zealot strong, but not good at a lot of things and tend to be lone wolf types ime

[wet jacinth]

Knife zealot is strong and easy mode for dealing with hordes because most yt/new players have easier times dodging killing hordes because all the damage reduction

[marsh ermine]

Their mobility and duration makes them good elite/spec killers but I'd rather have a psyk or action good vet for that

[wet jacinth]

But when dealing with elites and specials is where it tells the difference between a good knife Zealot and a bad one

[cyan notch]

gets trapped hit by 500 adds goes down

[wet jacinth]

There are some out there that shit on knife because "Its shit against armor" yada yada

[floral solstice]

problem with knife zealot is it ingrains bad melee habits especially for newer players, they spam light and dodge and think they're doing peak melee combat

then they die to 2 ragers and maulers lmao

[wet jacinth]

Kek

[floral solstice]

it's usually knife zealots that throws t5 pugs for me especially when they overextend, regardless of what class i play

[marsh ermine]

Any zealot can deal with hordes, and much more effectively, plus don't have to actively manage insane speed

[wet jacinth]

Berserker type enemies are still the Bain of newer players

Reminds me of plaguemonks and berserkers from vt

[marsh ermine]

Yeah same

[west galleon]

So if i think i made a compromise with myself that feels like im still playing a psyker:
Devils claw/force staff
Or
Force sword/lasgun (scout or the other high capacity one)

Never both

[wet jacinth]

Maulers especially because flak armored and then their head being carapace

[marsh ermine]

I accidentally a knife once and was a mile ahead of my team before I realized it

[wet jacinth]

When you see knife on Vet or psyker

[west galleon]

Why cant we get a slot for force weapons in addition to melee and ranged... easy fix

[wet jacinth]

That's why BB exists

Even if its copium

[west galleon]

BB deez nuts!

Ok sry

[floral solstice]

i just want a different mk force sword that uses mostly horizontal swings instead

[marsh ermine]

I've wanted a true sidearm slot myself

[floral solstice]

more mk force weapons = less guns from armory/milk man

[worthy wedge]

Maybe allow staves to take either slot, instead of adding a third slot?

[wet jacinth]

It's sad that it's the ONLY Melee force weapon in the game.
Staff melee attacks don't count

[floral solstice]

Force shovel

[wet jacinth]

There's tons of force weapons in lore

[west galleon]

I want a psyker subclass thats a psycho who only uses force powered fists

[wet jacinth]

Power fists iirc aren't being added

Idk the lore behind it though

[floral solstice]

i dont want to jinx it, but i'll feel like they'll add new weapons as dlc seeing how greedy their shop is

they added paul and crusher for free because they forgot to add it or something

[wet jacinth]

They'll add weapons with the classes coming probably but then once the DLCs come they'll have DLC weapons

Besides the possible DLC subclasses

(They add slanesh expansion DLC kekw)

[floral solstice]

hadron romance dlc when

[marsh ermine]

What's the consensus on dueling sword for psks here

[floral solstice]

they're good but they hurt my wrist

[wet jacinth]

Dueling sword fro. What I recall hearing

Either had bad horde clear but good elite kill

Or bad elite kill and good horde clear

But idk

[ornate hamlet]

it's good for elites and monstrosity

[floral solstice]

one of the mks, mk 2 i believe, has an extra light for hordes

[wet jacinth]

I personally use Mk4 with both heavies being stabs

[floral solstice]

and good dodge on the weapon

[wet jacinth]

Just reminds me of Saltzpyre rapier

Though not as fast

[marsh ermine]

I tried one out when I hit level 5, seemed fun but idk how good they actually are

[ornate hamlet]

the thing about dueling sword is

[floral solstice]

in all seriousness, only reason why i stopped running dueling sword is because i prefer melees with sweep movesets. I run: catachan 4 on psyk with surge, shovel on ogryn, evisc on zealot

[ornate hamlet]

this is strong against monstrousity

[wet jacinth]

You definitely want to be good at melee combat for dueling sword to shine.

[worthy wedge]

I liked the Dueling sword while I used it, but man do I like forcesword's force stab

[marsh ermine]

I mained rapier salty on vt2

[wet jacinth]

Yeah single target weapons rely more on effective dodging

[ornate hamlet]

it's funny when kinetic flayer procs with it too

[marsh ermine]

Sadly the closest zealot comes is h sword

[wet jacinth]

Salty rapier had cleave tho/insta kill on crit headshots (for WHC that is)

[ornate hamlet]

effective dodging is actually very easy on some monstrocity

like the tall fat dude

[wet jacinth]

Monstrosities are jokes tho

[ornate hamlet]

SUPER easy to just spin around him timing dodge properly

with any weapon

take no damage

[wet jacinth]

I'm actually still bothered you can just block an plague ogryn charge with anything

[marsh ermine]

Yeah

[ornate hamlet]

i still dodge instead

and i laugh when i see ppl try to block dogs

[wet jacinth]

I just wish it knocked back/applied reduced damage unless you had Ogryn shield or smth

[cyan notch]

theyre probably trying to push them

[marsh ermine]

I always block push docks

Dogs

[ornate hamlet]

really? lol i dodge

[cyan notch]

pushing is more consistent

[marsh ermine]

Dogs are easy mode

[sterile sable]

dogs are made of magnets and i've got balls of steel

[floral solstice]

just let dogs hug you if you're lonely

[cyan notch]

[wet jacinth]

Plague Ogryn charges are a joke when you realize you can simply block it.

[marsh ermine]

Because you don't just stand in an open field and push them

You get behind the most basic xover

And shove them through it

[wet jacinth]

Shoving dogs has that shoving gutter rat out of the air energy

[floral solstice]

you'd be surprised at how many people don't know that, even on t5 pugs. Heck, I think they don't even realize it's charging

[wet jacinth]

Funny there is the penance to brain burst a dog mid leap

Yeah

[marsh ermine]

That seems hard to time? Or prolly just charge your bb and let loose

[golden tartan]

Rmb charge and hold

[wet jacinth]

Pre-charge it

[golden tartan]

Pretty much

[shadow onyx]

psyker have access to heavy sword?

[stark goblet]

Precharge your brain burst after you heard howl

[floral solstice]

no

[wet jacinth]

No

[shadow onyx]

https://tenor.com/view/emoji-emoji-disintegrating-emoji-disappearing-meme-21st-century-gif-24891417

[wet jacinth]

Only zealot has access to heavy sword

[shadow onyx]

ty

[marsh ermine]

It's our exclusive taboo

[wet jacinth]

[golden tartan]

Dueling good though

[stark goblet]

Chainsword’s great enough for me

[marsh ermine]

Wair

[worthy wedge]

this is zealot chat now

[marsh ermine]

Oh no

[wet jacinth]

Dueling lights dont have cleave kek

[worthy wedge]

are the zealots trying to purge us?

[wet jacinth]

Unlike heavy

[marsh ermine]

Word will spread

Of my consortmenr with heresy

[stark goblet]

ONLY FANATIC BRING SUCH EXCESSIVE FORCE

[near wyvern]

They do

[golden tartan]

Ya but stab stab stab stab syab stab stab stab

[wet jacinth]

Even then it's not as effective

[near wyvern]

It's not a lot but it exists

[marsh ermine]

Hell no, not before we purge the vets first at least

[stark goblet]

Veteran’s fine wth

[twilit flicker]

Would love a force sword with better cleave

[marsh ermine]

good vets are great

good vets are not great

in numer

[wet jacinth]

Good vets are ones that don't insta lock onto your BB Target

[stark goblet]

Chainsword is my sanctuary out of peril

[marsh ermine]

good vets are ones that know how to lock down ranged

[cyan notch]

its time to post this again

[golden tartan]

Starts BBing a target.

Sound of bolter magdump into the glowing target.

"I need Ammo!"

[marsh ermine]

so other can do their own jobs

[golden tartan]

Bolter ads lmao

Tbf his aim was fine he just didnt wait for the boltgun to settle between shots

[marsh ermine]

i love depending on mellee kills and proximity to enemies to keep up tuff boi status, only to have a vet lasrifle a few poxwalkers nearby and ignore the fucking sniper ive been dodging for 5 minutes

[stark goblet]

https://tenor.com/view/pulp-fiction-john-travolta-samuel-jackson-quentin-tarantino-shoot-gif-4921226

[wet jacinth]

My favorite line ironically is when the lil uns need ammo but Ogryn picks it and he goes "OI NEEDED ET!"

[wet jacinth]

You werent BBing the sniper so the vet didnt go for it

[stark goblet]

Ogryn needs ammo for his fistful of explosion

Or voidstrike a sniper

[ornate hamlet]

ikr

they do it intentionally

[jovial mist]

does the Surge staff do weak spot dmg? (assuming that those are headshots or?)

[near gale]

Just had a super rough run, even tho it was malice. I brought my purgus staff and the force sword. At first I thought the force sword was the wrong play, but, I think it actually saved the run since it had the t1 of deflector

That coupled with blocking generates peril kept me from getting absolutely murdered at least... 4-5 times that run x.x

It's just so hard to deal with hordes with the force sword, when you have to. :/

[deft trench]

I always bring a weapon to cover up for the weaknesses of my other weapon, bad horde clear on melee? >horde ranged weapon

[near gale]

Isn't force sword the one you want with purgus? for elites

[cyan notch]

yea i use fs with purg

[near gale]

Otherwise I usually use the dueling sword mk IV with the zap staff

[frigid marten]

caxe is the one for hordes, but with purgatus you already have a horde weapon.

[ornate hamlet]

hm.. not a bad emp gift

[frigid marten]

the only weakness of force sword vs other melee option is the slower passive quell.

[ornate hamlet]

ever since force sword block push aoe was nerfed, it's not even really worth using imo

it used to be amazing for cc, it's not really anymore i'd rather just have something that does more melee dps

(without causing peril)

[cyan notch]

definitely still worth using its fantastic

[ornate hamlet]

the only time i even use melee is on certain elites or monstr anyway

[orchid nest]

yeah it's worth using esp with purg and void but getting a good one is kind of rough until full crafting

[ornate hamlet]

i don't think so

even this axe i just found does higher dps on certain monstr

a lot higher

[cyan notch]

this thing is so busted lmao just happened in a game i was in

[orchid nest]

with purg example, it has pretty high damage and synergy with slaughterer. and purg does decent monstrosity dps anyways, it's one of the benefits of having it

[ornate hamlet]

same thing with purg staff

[ornate hamlet]

right, but not on certain monstr like the shielded guy

you can do WAY more with melee

[orchid nest]

the ogryns?

[ornate hamlet]

no the monstr with yellow shield

[wet jacinth]

.

[cyan notch]

probably not that fast

[orchid nest]

the assassination boss?

[wet jacinth]

You mean bosses

[ornate hamlet]

monstr

monstrosities are bosses dude

[wet jacinth]

kek.

[ornate hamlet]

not elites, not specialists, monstr

[orchid nest]

are you talking about the assassination boss though?

[ornate hamlet]

omfg yes

[orchid nest]

ok but like

[ornate hamlet]

melee outdps staff on him by FAR

[orchid nest]

force sword is actually the best against him by far so that's the worst example you could give against it

[wet jacinth]

Assassination boss / Monstrosities may have similar values idk. But do not lump them into the same categories

[cyan notch]

who the hell uses staff on assassination bosses

doesnt everyone just medpack and go to town with melees

[ornate hamlet]

the blessings on force sword suck compared to certain other melee weps

for monstr

[cyan notch]

its monster

[ornate hamlet]

that's the hard truth

[cyan notch]

youre missing a letter there buddy

[ornate hamlet]

i'm shortening monstrosity not "monster" you clown

[orchid nest]

on the assassination boss you can keep slaughterer going with the adds very easily for +75% damage and on the other ones you purg them

[cyan notch]

oh ok cool

[ornate hamlet]

"with the adds" lol

which don't even show up before he's ded if you're in a good group

[cyan notch]

?????

[orchid nest]

yeah they do kind show up on damnation dude

[cyan notch]

you telling u one phase the boss?

in one shield break?

[wet jacinth]

[ornate hamlet]

i'm gonna have to block him

[cyan notch]

didnt know it was a 1v1 cage match with the boss

[ornate hamlet]

still can't even tell if troll or just stupid

[atomic dagger]

is it worth to further craft it up?

[ornate hamlet]

i'm gonna go eat

[orchid nest]

regardless, force sword is so strong against the assassination boss which is flak instead of unyielding that it bursts him more than other melees even without slaughterer rolling with the heavy special

[cyan notch]

not bad tbh but i wouldnt

[ornate hamlet]

personally, i don't like limbsplitter, but the base stats are ok

[cyan notch]

just use it like that

[atomic dagger]

why not limbsplitter for you?
i was told its by far the best blessing on MK V axe

[cyan notch]

crafting is too expensive to gamble

[atomic dagger]

... but the penetration value is bad 😦

[cyan notch]

brutal momentum is better

[ornate hamlet]

situationally, it can be

[near gale]

limbsplitter + psyker blocking generates peril = constantly able to push attack, and each push attack is a new attack chain

So it's not useless, on psyker

[orchid venture]

If only combat knife could get limbsplitter

[atomic dagger]

im hesitant to agree with the pony
but hey, that is how it was explained to me

[cyan notch]

it doesnt really split limbs though

its more like limbpapercutter

[wet jacinth]

But does it rev like an envis

[frigid burrow]

For the cliffhanger penance do I just use the F key thing to blow a group of pox zombies off a bridge or is there another pushback weapon I could use

[atomic dagger]

OOOOH my lucky day

[wet jacinth]

You can just keep pushjng

Doesnt have to be ult

[steel egret]

Forcesword, laspistol

[steel egret]

Laspistol in fact is pretty good, 10m range

[atomic dagger]

Not sure if i should craft up the sowrd or the axe... only have materials for one :X

[near gale]

My tide xperience has told me to listen to the people who test the stuff and know what they are talking about, so I can also spread the same info if needed. :3

[ornate hamlet]

i believe chasm station fl-16-11 has a bridge near the beginning of the mission, do it with endless hoard, wait for hoard near the bridge, penance done easily

[cyan notch]

its horde not hoard

[orchid venture]

hourde

[frigid burrow]

Ty will try with the sword I still like having a staff more than a gun cause I can't aim at all lol

[steel egret]

But if they have pony avatar they can warp things based on grudgement on pony voice actor or just whim, its a risk.

[ornate hamlet]

you do realize that this game has mispellings everywhere intentionally anyway right

[wet jacinth]

I forget which mission. Theres a part when you're on some pipes toward extract. There a group of chaff that jump down right infront of the edge you can push them off of

[cyan notch]

hab dreyko yea but its at the end

[wet jacinth]

Personally I still need the suicide 3 elites penance

[atomic dagger]

that is not really nice to push people 😦

[steel egret]

Also begin of logistrum chasm something

Has that small bridge on side.

[wet jacinth]

Tell me that when plague Ogryns charge isn't a fucking joke

[cyan notch]

hab dreyko also has the same bridge at the start

[steel egret]

Very likely.

Either way

[atomic dagger]

i did mine at the level where there is a tower-like structure with 3 small bridges leading to it and you need to defend the interogator inside the tower

[steel egret]

Saturnus eating his children avatar picture.

[atomic dagger]

just dodge

[steel egret]

Black paintings.

[atomic dagger]

what? cant a man have a snack?

[steel egret]

Especially if they might grow up to eat you

[long wharf]

but make sure you swallow them whole, that way they have the opportunity to come out of you later

[atomic dagger]

also, technically its Cronos/Cronus and not Saturn ... damn romans, think they can just rename everything

[steel egret]

Yeah Im just recalling article I read years ago.

[near gale]

inb4 pony Ogryn Psykers >.>

[atomic dagger]

i need guidance my siblings,
should I craft up the axe or the sword

[clear heath]

both

[steel egret]

This discussion has come to its end.

[cyan notch]

sword if u have to but dont do either if u can

[near gale]

Thank the Emperor, I didn't want to go any further. x.x

[atomic dagger]

insufficient plasteel 😦

[deft fiber]

Which weakspot dmg you have on lights and heavy attacks for infested and unarmored enemies on FS?

[atomic dagger]

wait what?!
üüüh i mean
yes 🤷‍♂️

[orchid venture]

What's that map that has the square suspended room you're in at the end with 2 bridges you connect to it, and defend it from oncoming hoards while you data interrogate?

[cyan notch]

vigil station oblivium

[atomic dagger]

yes that is the one i also meant

[deft fiber]

Inspect weapon, press tab to open a table 🙂 And take a look on the numbers.

Also MK5 have a specific gameplay, especially with limbsplitter, idk if you like it.

[orchid venture]

Vigil Station Oblivium is the one i got the push 7 dudes penance, really easily

[atomic dagger]

light: 136 for both unarmored and infested
heavy: 226 for both unarmored and infested

[deft fiber]

A bit low.
150 and 250 are breakpoints for killing trash faster. Than closer you to this point without any buffs than better. Guess it might work anyway. For MK5 Axe you want brutal momentum anyway since without it's pretty unoptimal to play.

[atomic dagger]

so i just gamble on the axe and see what happens

[deft fiber]

If you want to. FS seems better anyway.

[cyan notch]

dont gamble

[deft fiber]

It have more synergy with class than Axe.

[cyan notch]

save your mats till u get better weps

[deft fiber]

That's a good advice too. You perfectly fine to run blue weapons.

[atomic dagger]

do i really need to check the individual attack values all the time? i thought its only comparing the % modifiers

please say no

[violet thorn]

anything lower then 350-60 base is a mimir

[cyan notch]

1200 plasteel just for one additional completely rng blessing is usually not worth it for something you dont plan on using for a long time

(you get 1 perk too but its also kinda not game changing)

[atomic dagger]

this is my current melee weapon
in combination with a surge staff

[atomic dagger]

the thing is i am tired of just left click with surge staff. i try not to use melee at all
but i am ready to try something new

[deft fiber]

Well, game have actual breakpoints and table is showing actual dmg numbers. Scenarios of what you want totally depends on you.

1. You are like to min max
2. You don't give a shit
3. You settled between and just good with decent base and rolls
   Thing is, that you can clear damnation with grey weapons just fine. You gear is just to support you skill. So don't rely to much on it since it won't become your life much easier. Just a bit more comfortable.

[near gale]

Is this left surge staff better than the one I have?

[deft fiber]

Left better but it's bad anyway. Guess you are lvling?

[violet thorn]

clearing Dams with greys is a bit of a stretch

[near gale]

lvl 20, yes

[violet thorn]

unless its like super good greys

[deft fiber]

So don't bother, just get lvl to 30 and then start to care about gear.

[violet thorn]

this

[near gale]

I want to use more effective gear, while doing so, when I can. It generally helps. x.x

[atomic dagger]

after checking hourly for weeks i rarely see 350+ on green/grey, let alone blue or higher weapons

[violet thorn]

you can run malices with just shop items

[near gale]

I know I won't get that 380 surge staff for like 3 months, but, I want what is the next best thing. :3

[deft fiber]

Well, everyone have different experience, playstyle and etc, but i've cleared damnation with grey 330-340 weapons. Thing is that it's a coop game and you coordination > your personal skill.

[violet thorn]

idk how it works with greens and below but you want to look for blues that are 400+ rating

[atomic dagger]

ALSO i feel like staffs are RAAAAARE, not only in shop but also emperors gifts

[violet thorn]

yea pubs are pubs

[near gale]

and also pay attention to the base item ratings while doing so, so you don't get trash. x.x

[violet thorn]

also grey 330-40's arent too bad

[atomic dagger]

with 4 friends and grey equip > with 4 randoms with transcendant equip

[near gale]

^

[cyan notch]

https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/kinetic-deflection-psyker-talent-not-working-as-intended-on-low-no-stamina/72852

wow they acknowledged this

[summer prairie]

it's some community manager doing it basically, might not get changed

[atomic dagger]

blue items with 400+ *base ratings from the shop?
at least for me these are non-existant

[deft fiber]

Well, on surge you only want 2 stat, quell speed and warp res. Nothing else matters for surge since it's just a CC weapon 90% of the time. And basically you can lvl on malice till 30 with 200 base weapon just fine.

[near gale]

Is crit bonus the major dump stat?

[deft fiber]

Charge speed. Since you just spam RMB.

You don't want to charge it to full since it makes no sense and difference.

[violet thorn]

nah not 400 base just 400 rating total

its impossible to find a 400 base item

[summer prairie]

full charge is more dps against most targets unless you are swap cancelling the quick charge

[frigid marten]

swap cangelling is still working?

[atomic dagger]

i usally just buy grey items with highest base rating as possible and then craft gamble what blessing i get

[deft fiber]

380 max as base stat. 400 green usually means that it 380 base. Around 420+ blue have a great chances to be a 380 base.

[summer prairie]

it is but not really worth it since you do want the full stun

[atomic dagger]

in my experience this results in the highest base rating items - but takes a ton of materials

[cyan notch]

yes stop wasting mats

just wait for a good drop

its really way too expensive

[deft fiber]

Don't let this guy get in into casino

[atomic dagger]

but i never had a good drop
all the items i have are gambled

[atomic dagger]

am i the only one crafting?

[cyan notch]

you can upgrade green to blue to see if u get lucky with a blessing

[deft fiber]

380 just buy it(sucks if it have bad dumped stat)
360-370 good upgrade if you haven't better or have bad dumped stat on current weapon.
<360 is kinda only for upgrades after you lvled up.

[fallow meadow]

Gambling won't change the base stat anyway. Just use what ever good enough (around 330 base?) and wait.

[cyan notch]

but it takes 1200 plasteel to gamble 1 perk and 1 blessing from blue to orange think about how long it takes to get 1200 plasteel

HOURS

[deft fiber]

6-8 runs on Heresy depending on how you searching for mats and get lucky.

[atomic dagger]

1 get like 150 pasteel out of one lvl4 run (20 30 minutes)
this is roughly 2 3 hours? according to ogrynmaths

[fallow meadow]

I personally will upgrade 350+ to blue and 370+ to orange

[cyan notch]

20mins for heresy is on the fast side

[deft fiber]

Seems so

20 mins it's very decent time with pugs.

[atomic dagger]

true, i corrected to 30 mins

[cyan notch]

thats 4 hours of nonstop farming

just for 1 perk and 1 blessing complete rng gamble

[deft fiber]

My morning routine.

[atomic dagger]

The emperor provides
not sure what to do with it but looks neat

[deft fiber]

Time to become a gun psyker, forgive me Emprah.

[atomic dagger]

my whole storage is full with good pistols and rifles - emperor guides me towards it

but when i get a nice grey/green staff it turns into poop

[violet thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/damn-damn-damn-damn-damn-right-dame-time-gif-18029769

507 gift

w e w

[atomic dagger]

i love the potential synergy between the crit perk/weak spot perk and the toughness on crit hit blessing/weak spot blessing respectively

but not sure if it makes a difference with squishy psyker

[cyan notch]

8% is pretty shit considering its only on crit kill

[atomic dagger]

i do like the game... BUUUUT the randomness of shop, crafting, emperors gifts is just cancer 😦

[violet thorn]

I mean thats a potential 8% on every crit kill

[placid sorrel]

first heresy (with 4x doggo fun time) run as psyker, god void staff is amaze balls

[violet thorn]

thats 8% on every pox that you crit

[fallow meadow]

If you are not using staff, you properly not gaining much toughness from lv1 skill. So I think the synergy is helpful.

[atomic dagger]

😋 👍
welcome to heresy

[cyan notch]

yea but u dont have any way to boost crit unless u do melee weapon blessing stuff which will probably get fixed

[steel egret]

Laspistol special adds peril for that passive quell.

laspistol also has pretty high crit chance by default

has terrible damage beyond 10m.

I have 380 laspistol but alas, it has dogshit blessings.

[cyan notch]

actually it probably works with your melee weapon lol

so it might be good until fs fixes it

[steel egret]

Oh you mean inheriting blessing from weapon?

[cyan notch]

i mean the 8% toughness on crit kill working on your melee

[steel egret]

Yeah thats it then.

[cyan notch]

yea cuz iirc theres a similar revolver blessing that works with your melee

[steel egret]

Oh there are plenty, but they fix atleast one I know.

one that allowed you to tk.

Then again odds are they just fixed the tk part.

[pale crescent]

If this rolls lacerate is knife psyker workable?

[deft fiber]

Why lacerate should make knife work on psyker?

[mortal pendant]

barely works on zealot

😂

[pale crescent]

fair enough

[deft fiber]

lacerate works on zealot because he have a feat that selfsustaining basically. Psyker have no synergy like this.

[deft fiber]

F.

[atomic dagger]

its bad but the blessing

[elfin crystal]

soulblaze's a bit underwhelming on it's own tbh

[atomic dagger]

recipe for easy runs: 4 psykers with soul blaze build = insta max warp charges all the time

[elfin crystal]

you say that like warp charges are hard to maintain

[fast swan]

if only that worked on weakpoint hit

[elfin crystal]

also if you have 4 psykers with blaze builds, i sure hope they're not all using purga and they have some way to deal with armored foes. mainly crushers and shielded bros

[fast swan]

brain burst

[elfin crystal]

what difficulty are you playing?

[atomic dagger]

always one difficulty higher than you !
😋

[fast swan]

indeed

[violet thorn]

Sedition?

[elfin crystal]

i'm not saying it's not doable, but the constant ogryn + elites spam is gonna probably make it not that easy

[fast swan]

i'm just saying that if you cant handle the heat, stay out of the kitchen

in this case heat being 4 fire psykers and the kitchen being damnation

[elfin crystal]

what you want baby

[atomic dagger]

he is just trying to pop my theorycrafting
lets not get this out of hand

we are all siblings afterall!

[fast swan]

yea having a buncha soulblaze psykers of damnnation seems like it could be quite potent, especially since everyone is getting warp charges after each other

proper rotations of BB and using whatever melee to deal with ragers is the biggest challenge but very dooable since hordes will not be any sort of issue

[elfin crystal]

you won't need melee to deal with ragers. purga main fire will stun lock them

main challenge is gonna be anything amored and maybe explody bois i would think

[atomic dagger]

why not use surge staffs?

[elfin crystal]

you could, but they are talking soulblaze builds so i assume they are trying to go purga. iirc surge cannot roll soulblaze blessings? aside the feats

[shy crag]

O_O don't think I've ever seen that blessing before.

[atomic dagger]

no idea what can roll soulblaze.. need to look it up

[elfin crystal]

fair. i'm not too sure anymore myself

[atomic dagger]

trauma and voidstrike

[elfin crystal]

oh ok thanks

[atomic dagger]

id say both should work in this hypothetical group of 4 psykers ^^

(but i am too stupid to play trauma)

[elfin crystal]

i'm not saying they won't. just that there is a critical weak point to the strat and unless you take it into account you'll get overwhelmed

[sudden trellis]

anime pfp

[elfin crystal]

it's legit one of the main issue people have when they play damnation. people only bring wave clear and usually break when the 5-6 constant mualers/crushers and shield ogryns start flooding in

[violet yoke]

Both should work fine but both require that the psyker do more than just use his staff over and over... it's very rare I see psykers that know how to do anything else but shoot there staff until they die and blame it on not haveing a vet or a tank...

[elfin crystal]

yeah that's also fair

[plucky ravine]

i got lvl 30 psyker last night without ever using a staff. am i doing this right?

[elfin crystal]

also the fact that psykers are extremely squish so once one will go down, it'll get rough fairly quick

psyker can work without a staff. there's no real right way per say. as long as you are helping the team and not being detriment go on champ

[plucky ravine]

yeah true, i feel like i can deal with specials enough with brain burst and force sword

[wanton cove]

Most of the time your main on purgatus will knock back bursters

[plucky ravine]

is nice having the extra mobility of no staff to make up for squishiness

[wanton cove]

2/5 of the time I hit them it doesn’t work and they jump thru lol

[elfin crystal]

possibly, but i've not had much success with it. maybe it's just me tho. i don't try it often

[elfin crystal]

yeah that's my experience as well

[lethal crown]

https://i.imgur.com/jrpZzHF.jpeg

[wet belfry]

I think what ur spending your time doing as a psyker depends to much on what gear/talents your running

Ive certainly adjusted my playstyle according to the equipment, talents.

[deft fiber]

Depends on a team you running tbh

[wet belfry]

That to

[teal kite]

this is a pretty good staff right

[deft fiber]

Spec to do as much as possible you can so you can fill any role in order pugs are shit.

[deft fiber]

Quell speed bad. Warp Flurry doesn't work properly on surge as well iirc.

[wanton cove]

Yeah most of the time my purg primary will knock them back. Can’t figure out what’s different when they just ignore it

[elfin crystal]

might experiment i guess

[teal kite]

hmm

[elfin crystal]

i agree with the quell thing. Daddy needs his high quell speed and low charge rate

but otherwise it's not a bad surge

[long wharf]

it's not bad, but quell speed is definitely not a dump stat for surge

[elfin crystal]

yeah

[deft fiber]

Perks are fine, blessings doesn't really matters for surge.

[long wharf]

frankly, I don't consider any stat to be dump for surge, though crit rate is less important

[elfin crystal]

also keep flak and try to get a crit perk if you are going to use it

[long wharf]

this is the true crime against surge usage

[atomic dagger]

ppl told me here have terrifying barrage on surge
I have it but I dont really see a difference

[deft fiber]

Because you need actually to kill with surge

Idk if Terrifying Barrage working tho.

I heard it's just broken.

[atomic dagger]

man, this is a true 40k game
half of the stuff is broken
other stuff is not known

better get my incense ready

[wet belfry]

I appreciate the games coherency to the lore.

[deft fiber]

Dark Age of technology non a less.

[elfin crystal]

i don't think terrifying barrage is good on surge tbh. on purga tho, definitely useful(might just be because i use the brain pop feat and it instant lock crowds when i start shooting tho)

[violet yoke]

All u need to know is everything is broken according to the "experts" and put anything on and care less about mods and learn how to play as a teammate and not an asshole and ull be 100% fine on any difficulty

[deft fiber]

Not everything. But a lot of things. And a lot of thing works in weird ways.

[atomic dagger]

there should be an option to bless your equipment with incense before starting a mission - which either gives no buff or a ridiculously low buff

[fast swan]

do the shirtless scavs with the helmets be considered flak armored?

if u hit headshot?

[deft fiber]

Yes.

[elfin crystal]

flak is just really common

[fast swan]

gotcha

[deft fiber]

https://imgur.com/a/AR0Nxo4 you can refer to this album just in case.

[atomic dagger]

I also found out that the average joes with the professional looking helments count as scavs

(have the "kill 1000 scavs with melee" mission and i thought it only counts for elites like scav gunner, bomber, etc. )

[violet yoke]

The kill anything are team based just like the collect books are team based

So it goes fast on high difficulty

[teal kite]

alright I wont get it, seemed like a good pickup minus quell speed

[deft fiber]

Nah, there are a lot of scab enemies. Kill 1000 scab elites/specialists would be just insane.

[teal kite]

ya any scab enemies count, would take forever if it was just specials

[atomic dagger]

ye but i doubt we killed 200 scab elites in one mission

[wet belfry]

How good is this?

[teal kite]

im liking it

[elfin crystal]

pree good lmao

[teal kite]

its def going put in werk

[atomic dagger]

but its marked as complexity "high"
other missions with such complexity is "do 25 missions" which really drags

[deft fiber]

Base stats good, carapace kinda meh and you pray for brutal momentum(good luck).

[violet yoke]

That staff and axe are both good are they perfect no

[teal kite]

for 25 missions do T2 difficulty,

[violet yoke]

But depending on how the rolls out would be if they become super good

[atomic dagger]

1 out of 10 omnissiah blessings for me

[deft fiber]

You still believe anything fatshark spit out their mouth and code?

[teal kite]

what I like about the axe over force sword is the one hitter quitter potential of the axe. You just dishrag enemies left and right with the axe

[atomic dagger]

how dare you offend the machine spirit of the game

[wet belfry]

Force sword jsut takes to long to quell peril.

[teal kite]

I keep peril high for extra damage perk

[wet belfry]

You spend a ton of time just quelling when you could be using a normal weapon, fighting with a similar quelling speed.

[violet yoke]

Force sword defect and push are just sooooo op

[teal kite]

when your back is to the wall the axe will let you hack your way out quicker than a force sword thats for sure

[violet yoke]

Hard to pass up but a good mk v axe are fun

[atomic dagger]

i need quelling to regen my toughness

[atomic dagger]

what defect?

[olive ember]

you really dont?

if you need to quell that much with a FS then you are doing something wrong just saying

[teal kite]

my staff lets me quell super fast

[atomic dagger]

in my humble experience as a lvl4 maggot the force sword has a faster hacking speed and you can just walk through a horde like this

[teal kite]

but I keep it high and use force sword for the extra damage while it quells on its own

[violet yoke]

The force sword can push over everything but bulwark... gives u room to use staff instead of push blocking for 30min with axe...

[olive ember]

the only time the passive quelling of a non force weapon makes a difference is if you are tanking a DH or you are literally getting fucked from all sides

the latter of which shouldn't be happening

and the former of which also shouldn't be happening

[teal kite]

wish staff had a push

[tender terrace]

not bad not bad

[atomic dagger]

[devout sentinel]

not what i was looking for google but... i take it xD
https://www.psykinetic.com/aura

[teal kite]

get rid of the garbage staff melee and give it a push

staff melee is something you trigger by mistake

[olive ember]

still wish it had a staff slam on the ground which did an AOE affect

[violet yoke]

Like a trauma staff..

[teal kite]

I was about to say lol

[elfin crystal]

make the staff alt fire a buff like the sword that actually change your attack for a limited time

[atomic dagger]

why mount a monitor on a wheelchair? just put the monitor on a desk, like everyone else?

[near wyvern]

Or a second spell

Switch to melee is anyways instant

[atomic dagger]

wait? you can slam the ground with a trauma staff and go full gandalf: You shall not pass!
how

[elfin crystal]

makes your bolts chain on surge. and push back enemies slightly on the secondary now too or something

[teal kite]

its the charge ability

[devout sentinel]

sad part its not for monitor its for laptop XD

[atomic dagger]

laptop
🫣

[silk flax]

Which wich? Left or Right

[atomic dagger]

nooo but that is no gandalf 😦

[devout sentinel]

Which one would you take

and why ?

[elfin crystal]

would go left

[teal kite]

You can do it basically point blank which is basically gandalf

[atomic dagger]

it needs to be an aoe with the caster in the middle

[teal kite]

you dont want to be that close to enemies with psyker tho

[atomic dagger]

i would gamble bless the left one and see what i get

[devout sentinel]

@silk flax Left. Warp Resistance 9% > Charge Rate 8% . Also it is green so there is erverything in the open and the perk is already better

[atomic dagger]

the right one is already too far gone and too expensive to turn good

[silk flax]

Ty Ty

[teal kite]

I kinda want that focused channeling

[atomic dagger]

why

[devout sentinel]

Stand within hords and get descimated while ZAPPING : D

[teal kite]

gunners sometimes disrupt my channeling

[atomic dagger]

during palpatine cosplay? how?

[devout sentinel]

Well (no offense ofc) but the good old #gitgood is better than wasting 1 perk slot @teal kite

[teal kite]

when you get shot sometimes it will reset the charge

[devout sentinel]

Which charge ? Do you full charge surge O.o ?

[elfin crystal]

sometimes little shits slip in

[atomic dagger]

you kinda dont want to charge it full up, becaue its bad 😦

according to discord knowledge it only increases the single target dmg of the first enemy hit - which is ... meh

[spark forge]

I enjoy doing a full charge at 100 peril before I hit F. That's generally the only time on surge though.

[teal kite]

are they correct tho?

[atomic dagger]

you can test it in the meat grinder for yourself, i cant be bothered tbh

[devout sentinel]

If you want to fully CC go for spam zapping . If that extra bit of dps is important for you go up to 50%~. If you go for 100% surge channeling you can also just run up and force sword i guess : D

[teal kite]

This the same discord that claims using a damn revolver on psyker is gud lmao

[devout sentinel]

+1

[atomic dagger]

there are a lot of viable options

[near wyvern]

Hey, I cleared a damnation high intensity with it

[atomic dagger]

if you dont like the advice, then dont ask for advice 😄

[teal kite]

probably due to your skill alone tho lol

[devout sentinel]

Ye nowadays we have "viable" and "effective" . HUGE words but everything is viable if you are dum or skilled enough lul

[elfin crystal]

you mostly need team coherency more than anything and there's nothing helping that in game right now

[teal kite]

I use the "a regular human killed a space marine with a stick" analogy. Just cause a stick killed a space marine does not make a stick a decent weapon to use against one. Of course this is an extreme example but an example I see people make.

[atomic dagger]

no i dont think so
as was pointed out earlier your own equip doesnt really matter that much in darktide

technically you can clear all the content with grey equipment

the blessings etc only give flavor to your own unique playstyle

[teal kite]

a bad team sinks every run quicker than any build thats for sure

[elfin crystal]

man i wish we would have a way to mark the role you want to play as

yeah

[near wyvern]

You just need a horde clear melee and kinetic deflection, feats 132133 and you are good to go.

Focus on killing elites specials. Revolver is for those 'this has to die now moments', otherwise you BB elites/specials and melee everything that is close. You gotta try to play bear someone with horde control so they will create space for you to kill the elites/specials.

[violet yoke]

just play pubs with no coms for a few weeks ull know what works real quick

or.... stay in here and listen to all the experts

[elfin crystal]

true lol

[violet yoke]

ur call

[near wyvern]

The good part with the revolver is the penetration. It doesn't matter if there is meaty trash in front of your target, it will go through

[teal kite]

I get a feeling some of the "experts" play with a premade team which makes the game like 100 times easier than with pubs. Their input to me sounds like they never have issues with randoms who are awful

[atomic dagger]

what experts are you talking about

[near wyvern]

I did the damnation high intensity in a pug, but yeah pre-made makes it so much easier

[teal kite]

Generally speaking, some in this discord act like damnation is super easy mode. To me that sounds like they play with a group and not with randoms where your experience can vary wildly.

[atomic dagger]

well - why play with randos when you have your friends to play with? just to make a point?

[wanton cove]

Tbh sometimes I enjoy the random chaos of pubs

[teal kite]

Playing with friends is fine, im just saying using those experiences to make a claim "damnation isn't even that hard" is misleading imo

[wanton cove]

Also I met tons of cool people on VT2 Pubs. Same for this game

[elfin crystal]

yeah that mostly it. damnation is easy if you are well built and have a good team, but 1 link goes wrong and it can go full 100% badly in 10 seconds

[atomic dagger]

AAND pubs are getting better every week
at some time point it doesnt matter if you go premade or not

[wanton cove]

Also. I learned to survive in the wastelands of pub groups. From many mistakes and deaths. Premades so organized 😝

[devout sentinel]

If you are experienced with how to play the game and move it is indeed not difficult. You play it more controled instead of speedrunny and thats it. High intensity is a bit of rng ass but thats about it.

I cleared damnation with my fresh lvled vet yesterday with 45% powersword , 61% revolver and lvl28 idk
(Ofc also experienced teammates but well damnation is not for average t2 zealot speedrunner)

[elfin crystal]

like want 5 pox bursters in row in a wave? cuz it's gonna happen. hope you can deal with it

[wanton cove]

Yah 4 pubs don’t feel to bad for me lately

Idk about 5

[elfin crystal]

then there's the 5-6 chargers coming to say hi

[orchid venture]

I'm not at home but i wanna play psyker, someone paint me a word picture of the experience so i can feel like I'm there

[atomic dagger]

also i have sometimes some insane ogryn or zealot who carries the whole team on his own

i dont know how but it feels like it

[magic burrow]

here's a bunch of trappers. Hope you expected the fourth one after you killed three, cause they spawned at the same time so you couldnt hear from the audio how many there were

[elfin crystal]

zealots have free penetration. it's amazing if you use a gun

[atomic dagger]

coward team support

[elfin crystal]

legit deletes armored with anything

[deft fiber]

Pain, suffering and beloved.

[orchid venture]

ah, it feels like I'm really there 😌

[mighty pike]

Duelling sword and a shredder pistol

[wanton cove]

Omg OR you have the zealot/ogryn that randomly charge forward and get peppered 😬

[magic burrow]

I sense fear, rage, and foreshortened lifespans

[atomic dagger]

only thing you can do as a psyker is charge forward too or get abbandoned

[wanton cove]

Or wait with the other 3 and then go revive with deflector lol

2*

Starting to think revive speed is good with how much we revive

[orchid venture]

I play the french lady psyker, so someone has to say "Gawping makes you look like a dullard!"

[magic burrow]

the "why yes this is a perfect situation to blindly charge into the next room on damnation" zealot

[mighty pike]

"gawping makes you look like a dullard"

Also "Excessive force authorised" and "uuarggh! Aargh!"

[wanton cove]

Well time to be an adult and go work 😡. I wish y’all many god drops

[orchid venture]

I feel it, it's like I'm playing Warhammer 40,000: Darktide right now

[atomic dagger]

quiet now, or they will hear you from their class channel

[spark forge]

Which voice does the "I touched you, now you're damned." on revival?

[orchid venture]

"Emperor guide me! Please! Please..."

[mighty pike]

Might be the male beloved one

[atomic dagger]

male beloved ones are the best
from the statements they dont know its real

[mighty pike]

"zis corpse-starch does not tazte like zigarettes and piss"

[magic burrow]

I play the female french lady, but I wish she was a little less obsessed with enforcers

[atomic dagger]

enforcers and dramaturgy scene of atoma prime and protocol

[mighty pike]

She's a career-oriented girlboss

I think she's my favourite character voice in the game, paired with the beloved guy

[orchid venture]

She LOVES Enforcers and plays and celebrations about Saint Messelina

[mighty pike]

Had a game last week where she complained about management

[atomic dagger]

the voice itself is good but the lines are terrible

[mighty pike]

I haven't heard anything about st Messalina yet

Just a lot of relieved sigh and telling off zealots

[atomic dagger]

ye,.. you want to hear about the st messalina dramaturgy and festival of atoma prime while being neck deep in nurgle fanatics

[magic burrow]

mentions St Messalina and the zealot immediately goes YOU TAKE HER HOLY NAME OUT OF YOUR FREAK MOUTH

[mighty pike]

There's a LOT of lines in this game per character

[atomic dagger]

time to get into the google mobile

[mighty pike]

I've played her for most of my 70 hours and haven't heard at Messalina mentioned once

[deft fiber]

I wish they allow to change voices

[orchid venture]

Mostly I've heard zealots go like "I would see such celebrations return, once our work be done"

[mighty pike]

She loves those hive cities. #1 hab bloc fan

[atomic dagger]

what origin has your character?

[orchid venture]

I actually forget what my origin is on psyker, but if I had to guess i chose Bronx Magna

[mighty pike]

Hmm. Do you think that matters? And I don't know. Don't have a screenshot

[atomic dagger]

mine is from messelina gloriana when i remember correctly and she doesnt shut up about st. messelina ever

[orchid venture]

I always get the St Messelina line when i do the repair mission in the dusty place

[lethal crown]

ex-cop psyker > heretic psyker or sexually-harasses-the-emperor psyker

[atomic dagger]

pardon? i dont follow

[lethal crown]

one is an ex cop. one is a heretic. one sexually harasses the emperor.

[mighty pike]

Savant > loner or beloved guy

[atomic dagger]

aaah

[lethal crown]

that dude loves the emperor a little too much and custodes HR will be having a word with him

[atomic dagger]

could be, not sure
but if there are some hidden interactions that would be nice !

[mighty pike]

We should all play together our savant psykers and see what they say

Bordeaux psychology club

[atomic dagger]

they will accuse each other not to know what protocol means and that we should act according to protocol. did you know atoma prime has a renowm dramaturgy scene, centered around st. messelina ofc

[mighty pike]

Begone!

She's a cop and a theatre kid too? Man

[atomic dagger]

also, demonic possessions is for crybabys who dont follow protocol. she is well trained in avoiding it - in theory at least

[lethal crown]

yes savant psyker is quite well rounded

mostly in condescension and moral high grounds

still, not nearly as preachy as loner

[mighty pike]

Savant is my personal beloved

Glad they decided to add a character who isn't British #34

[lucid terrace]

Loner is the best. He says “GRENADE,” funny.

[mighty pike]

I don't think I've been heard the male loner

Ok I'm going on. Would anyone want to help me get the malleus monstrosum for the third time please?

[violet yoke]

The 3rd time??? Like u made 3 psykers and are doing all then pens on each???

[mighty pike]

No, like I did it twice and both times a zealot stole the last hit for no reason

So I have to try again

[violet yoke]

Aaa

[orchid venture]

One of my favorite Ogryn lines goes something like
"How many of you know what Protocol ACTUALLY means??"
"... you give us hint, yes?"

[mighty pike]

Protocol demands you help

[orchid venture]

Lov me Sparky, Lov me Shouty, Lov me Sah, Love me Pal. Simple as.

[atomic dagger]

ogryns are just wholesom

[mighty pike]

One of them likes sefoni

[atomic dagger]

who is sefoni?

[mighty pike]

Pickled psyker

The one that does your training in the psykanium

[atomic dagger]

oh the meat grinder access point

[orchid venture]

I feel like, if they make you level a new character for each new class, I'll do the Bully Ogryn for Gunlugger

Barely hear anyone do that voice

[atomic dagger]

you guys think we will get some more psyker classes?
its kinda hinted at the psyker - psykinetic categorisation

[mighty pike]

Apparently one is datamined already

[orchid venture]

We will, not only did they talk about adding more before release, but there's several more in the files, 1 for each

[atomic dagger]

oooh what is the datamined one called

[orchid venture]

It's like... Ogryn Gunlugger, Veteran Sargent or something, Psyker Protectorate, and an unnamed zealot

[mighty pike]

Can't remember

I like the sound of protectorate

[atomic dagger]

any lore heads here wanna explain what a protectorate is?

[orchid venture]

I did hear something about the zealot one maybe being called a Zealot Excoriator

But an Excoriator is like, a really old space marine chapter

[atomic dagger]

so fatshark threw in some random words for the classes

[orchid venture]

Well, to 'excoriate' means to damage or wear away the surface of, usually relating to skin

So that offers zero hints

[atomic dagger]

ye but its nothing lore specific, it could be anything

[elfin crystal]

maybe this? idk https://warhammer40kfanon.fandom.com/wiki/The_Havan_Protectorate

[atomic dagger]

did you just google some random stuff?

[elfin crystal]

yes

i googled 40k protectorate

[atomic dagger]

as if 40k lore is that easy
but i would be ready to play as a psyker chicken

[violet thorn]

40k Sonic OC's

https://tenor.com/view/agitated-skeleton-shriek-if-the-emperor-had-a-text-to-speech-device-gif-14921901

[elfin crystal]

btw i didn't mean like the chicken chicken stuff, more the stuff that comes after talking about warlock and co

[mighty pike]

Heresy is really something else sometimes

[elfin crystal]

it do be

[mighty pike]

Would be nice if there an an intermediate between malice and heresy

[elfin crystal]

they probably will add another difficulty above damnation and another gear rarity so you'll have your wish

[violet thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/skill-issue-among-us-skill-issue-killer-bean-gif-24855216

[orchid venture]

Well, in the files it shows that a protectorate would have something like a dome shield they can put up

[mighty pike]

Just got team wiped 3 minutes in

[atomic dagger]

ah yes.
only to see the whole group run into different directions out of your dome

i can already picture it - love it, cant wait!

[orchid venture]

In the tabletop game, psykers have a dome shield they can choose a point to put it up at within a certain distance

So maybe you can put it directly on an ally

[fluid sun]

While it would be pretty cool to have a super support class, I would prefer if a dome shielding ability comes in that it can only be self-applied

[atomic dagger]

what tabletop game?

[fluid sun]

To avoid the same sort of pigeon holing a lot of ogryn/psyker players get now with shield/surge staff essentially

[orchid venture]

There's not much more info on the psyker one sadly, definitely not as much as the gunlugger or the sargent

[atomic dagger]

what does that mean in plain simple english?

[fluid sun]

A lot of players who play ogryn with shield or psyker with surge are expected to essentially be AFK tank aggro/CC machines, which can be very boring to play if your only role is to set up a vet/preacher

[atomic dagger]

#40k-lore-chat message

[orchid venture]

sargent I'm Really interested in finding out more about, because it sounds like they're going to have friendly minions they can control, like a squad

As well as Krak grenades, of course

[mighty pike]

This sounds highly unusual.

[orchid venture]

and if I was expecting anyone to get a power fist weapon, it'd be them

[mighty pike]

Hm

Interested in more support classes in general

... and just more classes

Want to get these last few penances done for the armour but don't want to hang out with randoms in voice

[orchid venture]

Well, the sargent looks like they have a shout that not only picks allies up off the ground instantly, but also tremendously buffs their minions

[mighty pike]

What if we are their minions

I want more voices personally. All veteran ones are very boring

[orchid venture]

It could definitely be, but those buffs seemed a little insane to be able to just give out

[iron marten]

I played a game where the bots didn't leave when new people joined in. I figured it was a glitch but we had about 6 members on our team for the remainder of the round. I wonder if it wasn't just a glitch but something that is a possibility in the code that glitched into the game (if that makes sense)

[atomic dagger]

Lore heads guided me towards this:
https://wahapedia.ru/wh40k9ed/factions/astra-militarum/Primaris-Psyker

I understand this maybe a basis for this so called Protectorate

[orchid venture]

I mean, the ai they have for the ranged enemies is actually pretty robust it looks like

i don't imagine it would be too hard to make those allies

[atomic dagger]

It is called "Psychic Barrier"

[lethal crown]

our characters are not even close to primaris tier

primaris battle psykers make our characters look like childrens' birthday party magicians

[orchid venture]

Or "Telekine Dome", yeah

[atomic dagger]

we started as convicts scooped up from the closest prison barge

[lethal crown]

your social status doesn't effect what level of psychic power you have

you're born with that.

[atomic dagger]

but you also need training and sanction or off you go

[lethal crown]

the ones with power and control levels making them suitable as primaris grade psykers are not scooped up from prison barges, they're an amazingly valuable commodity and often hold very high ranking positions

[orchid venture]

Psyker enforcer able to rip apart entire planets

[lethal crown]

a primaris psyker would not be worried about their head popping from a couple casts of smite

[atomic dagger]

doubt this is applicable ingame

my point is that we wont get to a point ingame where you start off as a primaris psyker but perhaps some class inspired by it

[orchid venture]

Mostly all i really hope for is a sniper staff

And a Force Greatsword

[true lake]

Scab snipers after they messed with the wrong psyker

[orchid venture]

a la sienna

[atomic dagger]

usally i am dead, then hear the shot and someone shouting "SNIPER!"
wow no shit sherlock

[brittle crest]

man, i know it's not the best in high level play but the void staff feels so fun while leveling

it's a good amount of aoe dmg/some CC

[light quail]

the more I play of mechanicus the more I hope we get some sort of admech class

I would say psyker because of the robes and shit but idk if admech take psykers

[long wharf]

yeah, it definitely feels great until heresy+

then you start to feel weak

[brittle crest]

:[

i'm pugging t3's just trying to level and it's the only one i've felt confident with so far

surge staff doesn't cc big enough groups for me to really hold my ground

[wet jacinth]

Rip

[brittle crest]

if i small charge spam i just end up full on peril before stuff dies lol

[wet jacinth]

I personally use Purgatus staff

[brittle crest]

i've tried to use the purga staff but haven't quite had it click for me

[wet jacinth]

Set the hordes ablaze in the holy flame

[brittle crest]

i think i get sad that there's no ranged bolt

[frigid burrow]

Is there a melee weapon that has just like a simple horizontal slash for horde clearing, so far only one I noticed was devil claw mk 1

[wet jacinth]

Evis does

Most weapons have Diagonals

[frigid burrow]

For psykers I meant sorry

[wet jacinth]

As a Psyker MK1 I believe might be the only 1 with reliable flat horizontals

Devils claw

[brittle crest]

i think i panic'd with purga staff if i get overwhelmed or something, i haven't figured out if it's best to like full charge, half charge, or just spam LMB

[frigid burrow]

Rip ok ty will stick with this for now

[wet jacinth]

Timing charges and using dodges on staff become key

[long wharf]

Antax Mk V Combat Axe

the push attack is nearly perfect cleave motion

[brittle crest]

ahh gotcha

[long wharf]

because surge isn't really for killing

[wet jacinth]

Yeah some weps got horizontal push attacks but I havent memorized all the push attacks aside for a few weapons

[long wharf]

surge is for closing gaps, controlling elites, controlling groups so teammates can focus them, stopping specials

[frigid burrow]

Ty will keep an eye out in the store

[long wharf]

surge requires tactical gameplay

[brittle crest]

ok so probably not the best in pugs

[long wharf]

it's not "point n click, repeat"

actually it's the best for pugs, in my opinion

[wet jacinth]

Surge is best when like a rager or 2 is rushing your teammate

[brittle crest]

orly

i just need to learn it better D:

[long wharf]

playing surge allows you to help sloppy/inattentive teammates from going down

you turn into the babysitter

[near wyvern]

Different devil's claw have a bit different move sets. The one that has a horizontal attack on heavy is pretty good because you can do light heavy repeat

This will be two horizontal slashes with one slower, higher damage and one quicker. This is a lot safer combo than the two heavy horizontals the one mark has.

[mighty pike]

A babysitter that needs to be babysat

[wet jacinth]

I just like funny blue fire

[long wharf]

pair surge with a good horde melee, like the mk v combat axe, and you're all around great

[long wharf]

I need no babysitting

I am the one who sits (on babies)

[brittle crest]

XD

i need to find some good vids on pug surge gameplay

[wet jacinth]

[near wyvern]

@long wharf

Have you tried Roulette Combat Knife push spam? That shit does way much more damage than it should 😂

[wet jacinth]

[mighty pike]

yes? no? does it matter?

[wet jacinth]

Imagine using smth the devs plan to nerf

Ah

Staffs

Warp nexus

[long wharf]

I have not, it turns out my psyker doesn't have any crucian roulette guns

[wet jacinth]

You want the crit procs using purgatus

[mighty pike]

keep the current then

pff... i know we've heard it all before but this shop stuff sucks

[orchid venture]

The second one has 69% on one of it's modifiers, which means it's perfect

[mighty pike]

melks?

[long wharf]

the current equipped is better

[mighty pike]

i havent found anything actually worth buying for a couple of weeks

[elfin crystal]

oh huh. i'll take that thank you

[mighty pike]

doggie baclflip

[elfin crystal]

god bless doggie backflips

[near wyvern]

I am just cashing out every green and white FS in search for Bloodthirst

[elfin crystal]

that and the 360 no scope jumps

[near wyvern]

NASA dogs are my favourite

[elfin crystal]

those too

[mighty pike]

i love splattering dogs

[long wharf]

sadly, I'm doing the same, upgrading fswords trying to get bloodthirsty to roll

wrong channel

[brisk panther]

haha ops, thanks

[lone minnow]

Anyone else who uses Voidstaff primarily have any blessing recommendations I should keep an eye out for?

[lethal folio]

Transfer Peril is important.

[long wharf]

Transfer Peril is key

after that, I like warp nexus because more crits means more damage

but if you can get Surge on it, that'd be superior (though much harder to do)

[mortal pendant]

iirc surge only works on the primary mouse 1 attack

not the secondary

[teal kite]

Nice drop

[lone minnow]

Right on. Thanks for the advice.

I don’t see a surge blessing on this list

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/weapon-blessing-traits

At least not for voidstaff

[brittle crest]

what base item level do you start to see when you hit 30?

or is that not based on your lvl

[violet thorn]

random but increases as you level

[brittle crest]

ah ic

[violet thorn]

basically ignore any weapon with a base stat rating of 340 or less

for me its 410+ total rating Blues

at that point you look at the stat. distr.

like ~80% on power/whatever depending on the weapon

then perks, then blessings

anything more advanced then that (like the rating level vs perk vs blessing balance) is a autism level I do not currently posses

[clear delta]

Maybe I will actually take off my deflection sword for once

[mighty pike]

Very nice

One of the preferable fuelling swords too

[chrome dune]

wut fueling sword?

[violet thorn]

when you need to service the Baneblade and fight daemons at the same time

[chrome dune]

Service the Baneblade? What this mean? Plz explain like I'm Ogryn.

I can quell with a warp sword

[violet thorn]

ya need to feed da hungry machine with the funny liquid so it fights the bad guys

[chrome dune]

is the funny liquid Quell?

[violet thorn]

also I thought your pfp was a Vaporaeon

I need to limit the internet intake

[chrome dune]

[violet thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/death-dying-gif-20631364

[chrome dune]

Am not troll just ... am legit not understanding. Rapier is regular sword for poke heretics for the EMPEROR, but doesn't ... I've never heard of one having to be "fueled" unless you're talking about a paul or chainsword?

[magic burrow]

you fuel it with the souls of the fallen

[violet thorn]

The Baneblade is a tank you G O O S E

[steel egret]

https://tenor.com/view/dying-monkey-dying-gif-13123180

[magic burrow]

damnation high intensity game with three zealots, one goes "wanna do 20 minutes?", dude promptly dies in the first engagement

classic

[violet thorn]

I cant even get mad at that anymore

I just laugh

[ornate hamlet]

Lmao! One of those doesn't know how to block and dodge zealots.

[weary moss]

which enemies specifically count as elites for "going out with a bang?"

like, do pox hounds count?

[long wharf]

how do you know this?

[long wharf]

use darkmass.gg instead of gameslantern

[long wharf]

elites are all the enemies you see a kill message for that don't have a spawn and alert sound

[mortal pendant]

someone posted an exert of the code for surge and it was only for mouse1

[long wharf]

now I need to go look for myself

[weary moss]

Thanks. was hoping hounds would count, then i could get 3 bots pounced and get easy completion

[long wharf]

don't think so

[lone minnow]

Gotcha. Thanks @long wharf Yeah I’ve never seen that blessing before. Haven’t hit 30 yet on my psyker yet. Is it a roll only or can it pop up in the shop?

[long wharf]

surge is a tier 4 blessing, so you can only see it rolled on a purple or orange

meaning Sour Milk's shop

or you upgrade something from purple to orange

[lone minnow]

Copy that. Good to know! Thank you kindly

[viscid pelican]

The voices telling me to run at the daemon host killing my entire team

[unreal sedge]

so, the purgator staff "damage" stat has listed "secondary action burn intensity" what is that?
how fast enemy get dot stacks?
while the "burn" stat has application rate, which maybe it's how fast it ticks, or that is how fast it stacks?

[brittle crest]

does anyone have a good leveling talent build, and for when you're a new 30 with no decent gear?

i'm currently 312, planning for something like 312122?

[unreal sedge]

3-2-2-2-3-3 working fine for me on damnation

ignore any soulblaze feats, they do 0 dmg

[brittle crest]

o ok

[unreal sedge]

ye, 2 dmg dot each stack xD

[brittle crest]

[long wharf]

you know, being able to tank a demonhost makes the weekly monstrosities contract very easy

people get so surprised when you say "Hey, I can tank the demonhost if you want monstrosity kills"

[left basin]

iz siker good now

[clear heath]

wtf

[ornate hamlet]

Say whaaaa?

[unreal sedge]

soulblaze is the same as fire dmg

[clear heath]

I can't believe something this good can come from something with 313 stats

[unreal sedge]

first stack is 2dmg

second is 5

then 12

etc

so it's worthless unless you stack a ton of it, and the only way it's purgatos staff

all the feat will do like, 10% hp of a trash mob

[ornate hamlet]

This is what I did. Have a good leggo purgatos.

[unreal sedge]

ye, still, no reason to pick the feat even with purgatos

it's gonna add the equivalent of channeling the staff for 1.1 sec or so