psyker-class

[austere estuary]

5% even better

[stray pond]

I mean almost every base Blessing is subpar, T3 is where most start to shine

[river zodiac]

should be 4-8-12% but its w/e. still waiting for psyker buff, closed beta psyker was amazing

[near wyvern]

The sword was shown to you by the goggles gang. If you can't make it, you need a better chair.

[river zodiac]

nice chestpiece, i will never do that penance

💀

[austere estuary]

I did it with friends, that made it quite a lot of fun

solo would be

horrific

[river zodiac]

genuinely impossible solo

[stray pond]

I'm not far off, I just have to do the stupid fuckin' penance and play more

[stuck sinew]

I've had a random game where the Ogryns agreed to tank a daemon host for a psyker

[near wyvern]

The penances are all really 90% work done by friends, 10% work done by you, and only you get a reward.

Good design, good design.

[stray pond]

And by play more I mean figure out what fucking mission I haven't done on Heresy

[stuck sinew]

I wish I was that psyker

[austere estuary]

one of my friends plays ogryn in pubs, he's done it for a number of random psykers

[stray pond]

Shield Ogryns in Heresy+ are chads

[near wyvern]

Any psyker with kinetic deflection and a regular melee weapon can tank a Daemonhost for another psyker

[stray pond]

I really wish the game would tell you what mission types you still need to do

[near wyvern]

And beast of nurgle you can easy solo if you happen to find a ladder

The fatty has to go around so you can just go up and down whenever you need to male the snail run back and forth

[proven hazel]

it does

there are little arrows beneath each mission on the board

[near wyvern]

Not per class, it's account wide

[ashen schooner]

Yea but those are shared

[proven hazel]

why would you ever play more than one class in a video game?

[stray pond]

That's what those arrows are for???

[proven hazel]

obviously you just pick the first thing you see and never defer from it

[near wyvern]

Better tell Blizzard to stop adding more classes. Everyone has played one already at this point.

[stray pond]

OH- Hold on a Secondary Objective map that I need is up

Fuck Secondary Objective contracts

[proven hazel]

I dont have to tell them, because with the amount of effort they put into evoker, its obvious they're never making another class again

[stray pond]

I rerolled 3 times and got 3 secondary objective contracts

[proven hazel]

could've had necromancers but instead got dragon furries

[hallow pivot]

dumb idea would tank witch be a thing if i stack defence on curios?

[proven hazel]

you WILL do the secondaries and you WILL hate the gameplay

[hallow pivot]

like health and toughness?

[stray pond]

I'm almost done with my secondary objectives contract

[manic needle]

God I wish they would make an alternate version of this sans goggles. Psychic hoods are cool.

[near wyvern]

There is a black one for ordo dockets, available at lvl 30

The same thing but without goggles and black rim instead of red

[west stream]

yeah theres variants with and without cloth mask too

[manic needle]

Youre talking without the face covering? Or do you mean the grey one?

[near wyvern]

You just go stand in a dark corner and it will look good.

[manic needle]

It would be cool if they made variants of the penance outfits available for Ordo Dockets once youve completed the penances in question

Add a bit more customization on the non-paid cosmetics

[near wyvern]

Fatshark:

Yeah, you gotta do this secondary objective for this mission like... Let's say two to three times.

Also Fatshark:
Yeah, you can't choose if the mission is available... or if it even has a secondary objective for it. Ooh, one more thing, the difficulty it spawns on is also random, if it spawns that is. Go have fun! Exciting isn't it? You never know if you can get your weekly rewards this week or not!!! Ahh the suspense!!!

[manic needle]

Hey cut them slack, the game's in early access 🙃

[near wyvern]

Small indie dev

TBF if instead of calling it a release they would have called it an early access, the game would have 80+% positive reviews in Steam.

Cut out the cash shop and it would be 95%.

[sage flower]

So what's the deal with shock staff and staggering muties? Sometimes it seems to stagger them out of the charge after a few seconds, and other times it seems like even on a full channel of the shock they don't get staggered.

[manic needle]

Cash shop in EA would raise a few eyebrows I think

[manic needle]

The stun is supposed to happen at the end of the cast. Any instance where it doesnt work can probably be attributed to staff jank

[teal kite]

we really letting him do surgery, he cant even wear the goggles right

[sage flower]

there's not a random component to it is there? Like assuming you are able to get to the end of the cast and there's no bugs, it will stagger the mutie always?

[manic needle]

The random component is spaghetti code

Or maybe latency/your cast getting interrupted

[near wyvern]

Don't judge a book by its cover.

Those are welding goggles. You can't see shit through them unless you welding so this way he will see with his right eye when he is not welding and with his left when he is welding.

[teal kite]

Im getting a haircut and hes wearing welding goggles

[near wyvern]

You think you are changing your haircut.

In reality he is changing the scalp and welding it to your servitor skull.

[manic needle]

To add to this, remember that we're playing a game where you can melee enemies through walls, yet Line-of-Sight-based Brain Burst doesnt work through railings and fences.

[tender terrace]

it did during closed beta rip

[teal kite]

very true

[teal kite]

a dark twist

[austere estuary]

okay emprah I'm ready for the disappointment

[manic needle]

Run N' Gun, somehow

[austere estuary]

haha

[tender terrace]

https://tenor.com/view/wow-gif-9011387

[austere estuary]

ah man that blend of rare but not great

[abstract cedar]

I've never seen a 505 emperor's gift before

[austere estuary]

riposte 4

if only riposte was worth a damn

unless it works on ranged maybe

passively

[supple skiff]

lol 2 dodge blessings and the worst stat is mobility

[austere estuary]

even then though

[supple skiff]

fucking checks out

[abstract cedar]

Idk man looks good to me tbh

[near wyvern]

Mk V, good roll on defence but low mobility, sad noises

[austere estuary]

hahaha oh yeah

[abstract cedar]

I dodge like a mf

[austere estuary]

low mobility and double high tier dodge bless

amazing

truly the emperor protects (from good items)

[manic needle]

The Emperor Protects (his stash)

[austere estuary]

tempted to roll a perk just to get it to hit 510

[near wyvern]

Waste of Plasteel

[austere estuary]

ofc

[near wyvern]

Here is a usable 510 for you

[austere estuary]

oh wait

with defences maxed

the mobility doesn't really have much penalty

dodge already locked at +15%

and 5 limit

[near wyvern]

It has a hard cap?

[austere estuary]

yeah I've had items with both stats maxed

still 15%

[near wyvern]

Well then

Then it's not that bad at all

[austere estuary]

actually ideal huh

[near wyvern]

Yeah, less wasted stats

[austere estuary]

still pretty shoddy blessings if they don't work on ranged passively

if only we could test in psyk

[stray pond]

Back from my Second Objective mission, the second Grimoire could not be found anywhere so fuck me I guess

[near wyvern]

They should do if you have melee out -> succesfull dodge -> swap to ranged

But you will have only like 3 seconds left of the buffs at that point

[near wyvern]

Exiting game, isn't it. You never know if you are going to make it.

[austere estuary]

yeah I cba doing that

if it happened without equipping at all I'd be pleased

[near wyvern]

Time for revolver?

[austere estuary]

oh that reminds me

got a revolver gift

with a blessing I've not seen

glory hunter

[manic needle]

Either way that sword is better than the kind of 500+ trash the Emperor usually gives me

[austere estuary]

another "if it works when unequipped would be nice" thing

[manic needle]

It hurts seeing high numbers on something like this for a Psyker

[austere estuary]

all or nothing though

shame it's not t4

[stray pond]

I'd use that axe, it looks fun

[supple skiff]

all my gifts are autoguns and axes lol

[austere estuary]

t4 all or nothing + 6 warp charges is a breakpoint for damnation bulwark, 2 brain bursts instead of 3

t3 leaves them with 38 hp

[manic needle]

I have good melee weapons that actually synergize well with Psyker though.

[near wyvern]

Now you gotta try that with the duelling sword

Go with something like 132133, gonna make some good memes

[stray pond]

Oh right I forgot that power blessings like that affect your entire kit

[austere estuary]

and stam being full is nearly always

the peril one on FS is kinda nice though just because it's on FS

but prob can't help with breakpoint depending on when you get that 5%

or well actually

we often bb at 100 so it would

[drowsy torrent]

I have 100% completion on Steam achievements and have not seen nor heard one person mention this blessing.

The Emperor provides

[austere estuary]

this has been mentioned a few times here

very lucky

[supple skiff]

did you get that during the beta?

[near wyvern]

BB threshold is 97

With inner tranquility and warp battery it's 98 at 5+ stacks

[south zephyr]

what's the dump stat for purge? damage?

[drowsy torrent]

Got it as a gift after assassination mission

[austere estuary]

I mean you start at 97

but when it goes off

and does damage

[drowsy torrent]

No, I just now got it.

[proud mantle]

yeah

whats the dump for surge

[austere estuary]

it's at 100, so should receive full peril bonus from FS peril power scalar

[supple skiff]

just chain special attacks

[sage flower]

seems like it would hit the crit rate cap of 50%, but still seems good

[proud mantle]

all of them seem important

[supple skiff]

that with slaughterer would be funnyt

[sage flower]

unless it means it doubles your crit chance

rather than adds to it

[proud mantle]

but i remember seeing something about surge not critting

[austere estuary]

surge can crit

[south zephyr]

afaik, charge speed, since you don't charge often with surge

[lapis bay]

https://tenor.com/view/fairy-tail-natsu-fire-dragon-breathe-out-gif-16140916

[near wyvern]

Seen it once on this chat.

We all pray you will get blazing spirit on it and wait for the results.

Blazing spirit actually deals double the stacks because critical hits apply double soulblaze stacks.

Combined with that, you might have a torch in your hand.

[drowsy torrent]

There is no cap for crit. I have the same blessing on a chainsword on my zealot and its guaranteed.

[austere estuary]

ewait

so with blazing spirit t4 on sword

it'd be 8 stacks?

[drowsy torrent]

Sounds spicy.

[south zephyr]

crits apply double the burn stacks?

[austere estuary]

on purgatus yeah

[south zephyr]

how was it tested?

[austere estuary]

makes crit and power amazing for it

you can jsut check that in psyk

[south zephyr]

guess I can be a gun psyker if I wanted to

[near wyvern]

Yes and doing a special with crit active will hit the blaze cap in no time

[sage flower]

my testing with crucian roulette indicated it was in fact capped. but maybe some effects bypass thouhg.

[austere estuary]

I think for sword it specifies its cap right? like 16 on t4 I thought

[manic needle]

Hadron when she refines your force staff to give 15% sprint efficiency: "I trust you are pleased, varlet?"

[austere estuary]

lmao levanon

I love how unintentinonally trolly it is

"yes hadron, so please.

[drowsy torrent]

I believe that is an oversight or "bug" with cruician roulette giving melee the critical chance. So, I wouldn't take any findings for granted.

[austere estuary]

crucian roulette text is a little misleading

[sage flower]

good point, and noted.

[austere estuary]

it's not per bullet missing

it's % of empty

so it's not as much as you'd think it'd give on high shot count weps

still good

iirc 10 stacks, one for each 10% missing?

[near wyvern]

Raw footage but proof that Blazing Spirit applies double the listed stacks because of crits applying double stacks

Also since the special is 1 attack that just consists of multiple hits, if you roll a crit, all the special hits will be crit and apply two times the stacks per each hit.

https://youtu.be/UHF7QE0yyHU

[austere estuary]

man that's cool

with votives, my FS is ready to get blazing

swap out superiority for blazing spirit and I'll be off to the gimmick build races

would swap the weak spot for crit chance and take crucian roulette, burn all the things

[near wyvern]

Yes

[austere estuary]

in that case

two swings

and you could be at 16 burn stacks on a bunch of targets

hot damn

wonder if those burn stacks are separate to those you apply with purgatus for example

wait

[sage flower]

how much damage does 16 burn stacks do?

[near wyvern]

Go to psyk

Pull out Purgatus, do left clicks and observe. Yellow hits add your stack damage by the worth of 2 white hits.

[austere estuary]

with slaughterer it would be a very silly amount that's what

[south zephyr]

interesting, good to know, I was wondering why crit was valuable on purge

much appreciated

[austere estuary]

then again

might be one of those useful in theory but worthless in practice things

if you crit with fs with slaughterer, you're one shotting any horde enemy anyway

though for the cleaved it would be good

[near wyvern]

No idea about the actual number but it's a lotta damage.

[sage flower]

I would love for a soulblaze build without purgatus to be viable though.

[austere estuary]

yeah

it'd def be viable that way

[south zephyr]

@near wyvern so is that interaction with or without soulblaze on melee? do crits for purge still apply the double stacks without it?

[near wyvern]

FS with bloodthirsty and blazing spirit is perhaps the closest we can get but it's so damn hard to get.

[austere estuary]

slaughterer and blazing

would be pretty wild

or shred blazing

get to 50+% crit, and then you're cooking things

something just now occurred to me

[near wyvern]

In short

Any hit that can crit and apply Soulblaze will apply twice the amount of stacks it normally applies

So Purgatus hits will apply 2 stacks instead of 1. This will be an individual roll on every target hit.

FS with blazing spirit will always apply 2x whaterver is listed because it only activates on crits and crits apply double stacks. T4 roll has 4 stacks per hit so that would be 8. Since it's a melee weapon that would be for each target hit depending on your cleave.

[austere estuary]

why on earth do we have medipaks on the table in the meat grinder

[near wyvern]

Yeah it clearly is missing something that can attack us

That would allow for so much more testing

[long wharf]

it's not so much a bug with the blessing as it's a consequence of the weapon code

all blessings are added to the game's event listener system

[south zephyr]

so if you had a purge staff with warp nexus and blazing spirit, your burn application would sky rocket?

[long wharf]

and none of them do any checking for whether or not the player has the right weapon active, because they can't do that easily

[austere estuary]

how come then only some work?

[long wharf]

because the coders at FartShart are incompetent

[near wyvern]

You don't need Blazing Spirit for purge.

Blazing Spirit is a blessing that allows your FS to apply Soulblaze.

But yes for Purge you want Warp Nexus, +flak +crit chance and then if they also fix it, warp flurry would be the last blessing.

[long wharf]

and stuck using Lua for the game systems

[austere estuary]

I rolled infested on my purgatus

25% but even so

[south zephyr]

keeper?

[long wharf]

and if you've never used an IDE, then I don't have the time to explain just how awful working on a large, typeless, free-form scripting language can be without any editor features and support

imagine working on a code project, with a thousand different files

and you're using notepad

[plain charm]

Can anyone help with a penance? I am not sure what I am doign wrong for warp battery. Says 262/300 for game after game now

[long wharf]

and you have to remember what everything is called and how everything is connected in order to do anything

no intellisense to understand your codebase and provide meaningful suggestions or hotlinks to definitions or implementations

[south zephyr]

While on the topic of purge, how's this look feat-wise?

[long wharf]

because Lua itself is typeless - any variable can be any type at any time

[long wharf]

I run 321112, myself

oh, and Lua isn't compiled, so there's no design-time checking of any kind either

all bugs in your Lua code have to be tested manually at run-time

the underlying engine is C++, but all game mechanics, references to assets, and implementations is in Lua

All. Of. It.

[near wyvern]

@karmic lichen

I looked at the lua code for AB warp charges on soulblaze

It seems every psyker running AB will have a listener on their killed targets which will have 10% chance to post a "soul buff" or "specialized soul buff" trigger.

So in theory, two AB users who also have purgatus staves should feed each other as long as both or none have warp battery.

If one of them has and the other doesn't, their soulblaze kills are posting triggers for different buffs which the other one cannot receive.

But this should be tested.

[long wharf]

warp battery has nothing to do with it

and everything to do with psyker's having the AB feat have the AB listener set

which is why all psykers with AB get proc whenever anything with soulblaze on it dies

[south zephyr]

now that you say it, I was in a game with another purge user, it seemed as though whenever they killed a horde with their purge, I gained a ton of stacks, but this might also be communion being generous

[long wharf]

I wrote a lengthy reddit post about this

did focused testing

and then I looked into the Lua code myself

[near wyvern]

So you did try warp battery mixed with non battery user as well?

[sage flower]

so purge staff/soul blaze builds scale with the number of psykers running AB in the game.

[long wharf]

no, but why would that matter?

look in psyker_biomancer_buff_templates.lua

templates.psyker_biomancer_warpfire_grants_souls, line 856

[karmic lichen]

That awesome to here, I just didn't think set with other psykers

[long wharf]

oh wait, you were responding to Phoenix, not me

[near wyvern]

The way the code is written it seems each player will post a buff that triggers other players due to having the same receiving channel open. It would matter in the sense that based on what I saw, a warp battery user and non-warp battery user cannot feed each others.

If it can be confirmed one player having warp battery and other player not having it doesn't matter then indeed every player tracks each target on their own end and it indeed doesn't matter.

[long wharf]

players don't track each target on their own

[near wyvern]

Yes that's the line I am talking about.

So it will post the trigger with both buff names?

Or it will only use the one the player is having?

[long wharf]

because of :

proc_events = {
        [proc_events.on_minion_death] = talent_settings.combat_ability_2.soul_chance
    }

[near wyvern]

Yes but the definition of the buff name is either has increased max stacks and increased max stacks or regular

So only one version gets posted?

[manic needle]

If youre taking both Communion and Ascendant Blaze, why not pick up Warp Battery? You shouldnt have any problems reaching 6 stacks.

[near wyvern]

On minion death

[long wharf]

my interpretation is that buff_name is used to prevent multiple buffs of the same thing being stacked

[south zephyr]

heard mention that the burns on stack gain was more dps

[near wyvern]

Imagine 4 psykers each running psychic communion, AB, and kinetic overload my friend.

2 purge 1 surge and 1 gun psyker with a las gun to deal with the ranged.

[long wharf]

the name is likely used to determine which maximum value of warp charges to cap at

that lasgun psyker isn't using those warp charges

no reason to have it

[manic needle]

Personally Id rather be able to apply 6 stacks of burn at a distance with F

[near wyvern]

In psyk, if you de-equip warp battery and get a couple warp charges, then equip warp battery and get 2 more charges you can see they are different buffs

[manic needle]

But I dont use Purg specifically because of range problems

[long wharf]

okay, but so what?

during the mission, you can't change feats

that buff name isn't going to change mid-mission, so it's reliably preventing multiple AB procs per frame

on the same psyker

[near wyvern]

Yes, exactly

So there is a risk that if you have 2 Psykers with AB and one of them is running warp battery while the other isn't, they might not be able to feed each other

[long wharf]

nah

because the event calling the proc_function doesn't care about buff_name

that's passed through to buff_extension, which is the code responsible for processing buffs

if you really want to see something interesting, scroll down a little bit, look at line 900

[near wyvern]

But they so add the buff by name and fixed time frame t to the buff_extension ?

[long wharf]

they call a method in buff_extension to add an internal buff to the player

the same player that the buff_name is retrieved from

so there's no possible interaction between psykers for AB based on who has more max warp charges

[austere estuary]

another hyper simple week for contracts woo

[long wharf]

almost exactly what I rolled to

[austere estuary]

nice and "get stuff for playing normally"

[near wyvern]

@long wharf

So based on the code at the below of the file

The UI damage for soulblaze is missleading?

I have counted it deals 11 ticks in around 11 seconds

In the code it says 0.75 interval and duration 15, so 15 ticks at 0.75s = 11.25s

So either there are hidden ticks or the damage is bundled visually?

[long wharf]

I'm not sure, because the max_stacks also isn't right

either that debuff gets modified by the code that places the debuff on the enemy, or that debuff code isn't used

[near wyvern]

Other thing I also noticed was that the damage scaling was constant * stacks

Which shouldn't be right

In the game we have more like stacks ^ X for the scaling

[long wharf]

there's no reference to that template by that name

yeah, I don't think that code is actually used

also, you really don't need to keep adding extra whitespace

this isn't the right medium for it

[near wyvern]

Too much Reddit I guess

But since the source code doesn't make sense for some parts, it cannot be used as a proper reference for justifications. It can be used as a source for running tests within the game tho, and any testing done with the live game is obviously hard proof.

[placid sorrel]

id skip 25 missions for 3 no player deaths tbh

gotta do for 4 characters

[split oxide]

I struggle to stay alive against HORDES in Heresy.
My "oneshot" Rashad is now - "twoshots". - It's not doing the job at crowdcontrol anymore.

At Malice, it was great. What do you giuys use for Heresy?
-do you say switch to pergatus (from my Surge)

• or do you use chainsword or something

[manic needle]

Force Sword, Mk. 5 Combat Axe, Mk. 5 Dueling Sword seem to be the most common choices

Ill take the Mk.5 for a Surge and FS for most other staffs

[split oxide]

I use Rashad (why is 5 better?) The swing speed seems the comparable.

[manic needle]

It's not about swing speed, it's about cleave

[violet thorn]

alright nerds how in the kentucky fried fuck do I do the Psyker suicide bomber penace?

just ruin peoples malice games?

[manic needle]

The Mk.5 has decent cleave on light attacks and fantastic cleave on the push counterattack

Making it a very good and safe horde clear

The overhead Heavy is good damage vs. Elites as well, although not as good as FS special obviously

[split oxide]

Dammit .. I'll give it a shot: ... At Heresy right?

[manic needle]

Heresy and Damnation yeah

[long wharf]

when you say "Rashad", what the hell are you talking about?

[manic needle]

Mk. 2 CAxe, I think?

[split oxide]

what about ForceSword. I have an okay one alrady... it kinda sucked at Malice already (3strikes for Dreg, I'd prpbablty hafe to do 5x strikes for Heresy)

• is there a trick or is it a loss?

[long wharf]

you're using the wrong weapons

[wet belfry]

Its meh at horde clear

[long wharf]

all you need is the Mk V Combat Axe

[manic needle]

Force Sword is for the control with the push and the elite kill with the special, I dont recommend taking it on a build where you need horde clear unless it's completely stacked, in which case you can compensate a bit.

[split oxide]

3 brands of combat axes... Rashad, Atrox and ...Achyls
Achylis is the slightly slowest, but has a sideswirpe on 3rd Heavy

[manic needle]

People also do FS for the Deflector perk in conjunction with Kinetic Deflection

[long wharf]

nobody calls them by brand name

[wet belfry]

Dueling sowrd is pretty good for horde clear, easy.

[long wharf]

Mk V Combat Axe is what you want.

period.

[manic needle]

Mk. 2 is pretty awful tbh

I cant see myself using a different axe of any kind after Mk. 5 CAxe

[long wharf]

it's so damn good

[split oxide]

`MKII

[manic needle]

So apparently you can get Mk. 2 Tac Axe on Psyker, which I have literally never seen. That has some nice sweeping heavies but Im pretty sure the cleave/defensive is still not as good as Mk. 5 CAxe

[split oxide]

if I went Deflector... do I need Kinetic Deflector too (I kinda like Quell while moving)
Lots of questions I know: sorry

[manic needle]

Mind In Motion is really bad, especially compared to Kinetic Deflection. Staff quell is speedier and the movement speed is about as good as MIM anyway

And with a non-Force melee weapon you have passive quell anyway

WHy hold R when you can melee?

[split oxide]

<sight> Okay: that's two things to try out FS/Kinetic and MkV

[manic needle]

yeah although I dont personally recommend FS if youre sticking with Surge

[split oxide]

... Appreciate the heads up .. MKV it is then.

[manic needle]

Sure thing, test it out and see what you like

Some people like the duelling sword but it's not my jam

[neat summit]

What blessings for mkv dueling are we looking for?

[manic needle]

Brutal Momentum + Limbsplitter

Oh oops

dueling

[cyan notch]

shred and riposte ig

but shred is the most important

maybe shred rampage

[sonic coral]

does the "damage" stat matter at all on purgatus?

[manic needle]

Not much tbh

[viral sphinx]

6/7 mission types done... I am correct in assuming there is no way to actually check what type I am missing right?

[manic needle]

78%+ burn and the best cloud radius you can get are more important

[manic needle]

Assuming youve completed missions on another character besides Psyker, thats true

[sonic coral]

melk presented me this, dunno whether to take it or ignore

[viral sphinx]

god dang it

[manic needle]

otherwise you can use the Chevrons underneath the mission icons on mission select, but for some god awful reason those are account bound

[cyan notch]

why 78+

[manic needle]

Am I misremembering the break point for 15 stacks of burn?

[sonic coral]

I guess I already have a decent void staff, so I assume this wouldn't be a bad purgatus to have around

[manic needle]

I thought it was 78

[cyan notch]

idk but 78 seems really high

[manic needle]

I know Ive seen 14 on as high as 76

[sonic coral]

this one has 15 max

[cyan notch]

ok i found a 76 maybe it goes to 75

[sonic coral]

actually, maybe I'll save my melkbucks for at some point seeing a sword with deflect on it

[manic needle]

God it takes forever to load in

Look like it's 76 then based on your screenie

but 75 is 14 https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/2014830937646805737/F8797EA54173A85457C94FD030356142788A2F93/?imw=5000&imh=5000&ima=fit&impolicy=Letterbox&imcolor=%23000000&letterbox=false

[south zephyr]

which MK of dueling sword is the best?

[neat summit]

Lots of peeps here keep talking about Mk V

[cyan notch]

mk2 and 4 have more cleave stats and a stab heavy, mk5 has more dodge and stronger overhead heavies

up to you which one you like

[long wharf]

the mk v combat axe has the fast push attack which is a nice cleave attack

and devastating heavy

and the sounds are so satisfying

[austere estuary]

I like the mk2 combat axe, mk5 seems a bit clumsy and that fake cleave

[long wharf]

what's clumsy about it?

[austere estuary]

well, two things mainly

one is the fake cleave

[long wharf]

what's fake about the cleave?

[sonic coral]

oh ok well I just upgraded this so

[austere estuary]

only one target

I'll record what I mean

[long wharf]

I wouldn't have upgraded that

[sonic coral]

I've been "farming" by upgrading a sh*load of greens

this is not even close to a good base, but hey

[manic needle]

If its your only deflector blessing you could save it for transfers later

[long wharf]

just use it as-is

[austere estuary]

I've hoarded so many deflectors

ready for that t4

[long wharf]

I wouldn't put any more mats into it

I've upgrade a good number of fswords to try to roll bloodthirsty

[sonic coral]

I'm gonna use it and see how it treats me, but yea leave as-is not worth the inflated costs for later

800 to sneeze

[austere estuary]

oh I might be thinking of a different axe

[manic needle]

Yeah I was gonna say

[long wharf]

you're definitely thinking of a different axe

[austere estuary]

mk 8!

[long wharf]

the Mk V Combat Axe is definitely the best axe in the game

especially for a psyker that doesn't have to conserve stamina

[austere estuary]

mk8 is so weird though I kinda like how it does have at least that uniqueness

there's that fake ass cleave it has

it is kind of neat how it will only ever do it once though

anything you chain after that that's a heavy at any point is strikedown

[floral solstice]

I want a different mk force sword with sweep moveset

[manic needle]

This but on a Force Axe

[floral solstice]

But i guess that's immeasurably complex

[neat summit]

Immeasurably

[floral solstice]

Until then I'll keep pretending that my catachan iv/ caxe 5 glows

[scarlet timber]

heys

what build pepople run on psychic?

[austere estuary]

I like the mk2 tactical axe

[austere estuary]

there's a lot of different ways you can play psyker, I'd recommend trying the different staves out and seeing what style you like there to begin with maybe

some great things to know the game doesn't tell you are you're safe to use brain burst (left click) provided you started casting it at 97% or below, and for staff secondaries so long as you finish the cast around that point

[scarlet timber]

what are the staves available btw?

[austere estuary]

there are four: purgatus (warp flamethrower), surge (palpatine style lightning), trauma (ground targeted aoe), and voidstrike (fat projectile fireball that pierces)

[scarlet timber]

voidstrike sounds cool

[austere estuary]

they're all usable, though voidstrike is the most flexible, purgatus the simplest, surge is best for stunning things, and trauma is niche and hard to use, but can still be good

[scarlet timber]

what is it good at?

[austere estuary]

voidstrike can kind of do anything decently

has p much infinite range, but it's a fairly slow projectile

[neat summit]

I really like voidstrike when playing in pubs.

[austere estuary]

can knock things around, does decent damage

[scarlet timber]

what level you unlock it

[austere estuary]

if a horde is funnelled into a line it can do great

[neat summit]

You can spam the charge for stagger cheesing

[austere estuary]

it's also the easiest to manage peril with

ah, level I'm not sure

pretty early I think?

[brittle crest]

void one i think is 13

maybe 11

[neat summit]

Purgatus is great for hordes obviously and surprisingly good against single targets when you stack the burn.

[brittle crest]

i know it's trauma -> surge

[austere estuary]

not related, but my goodness these two perks cause mad power gain

and the torrent fire works well for gun psyker

pay no heed to the brain burst procs

more look at how much damage jumps from staggering some horde

oh was still encoding sec

there we go

[noble mason]

whats the dump stat on a force sword?

[austere estuary]

warp res stompt

it can be actively beneficial even to have it low if you want to crank peril for some interaction

the three damage stats are all very impactful on FS

esp finesse, which is stronger than most (all?) other weapon finesse stats

[noble mason]

dope thanks

[austere estuary]

FS finesse at 79 and the mults:

vs tactical axe

duelling sword

ah

dagger matches FS

dagger is cracked in its own way we're mostly familiar with though

[hot yew]

Is “going out with a bang” buggy?
I killed 3 elites with perils explosion(I saw the kill feed) and didn’t get the achiev

Also wasn’t using any DOT weapons/abilities

[austere estuary]

not buggy

you might have killed specialists?

[split oxide]

OMG: MKII axe, I used to have to hide behind Vets and Ogryns..
MKV heresy: I'm tanking and hardly even vothering to block

[long wharf]

you have to do it on malice+

[hot yew]

It was on malice

[austere estuary]

I use mk2 axe in heresy and seems fine?

[hot yew]

Now that I think about it 1 may of been a sniper

[austere estuary]

tactical axe

yeah sniper is specialist

[fierce sinew]

here's the 80s

[austere estuary]

so doesn't count

[split oxide]

combat axe ... 4x damage

[long wharf]

deflector with shred isn't bad

[fierce sinew]

it's good enough that I haven't felt like spending ribbons to roll another yeah

[austere estuary]

shred is amazing imo

[long wharf]

eh

[fierce sinew]

80/80 finesse/first target also comfy

[austere estuary]

so is there some trick to combat axes

[cyan notch]

trick for what

[austere estuary]

rubber cable saying 4x tactical damage

but

oh wait, file too big

...unless?

huh it sent

first axe is the tactical mk7 I think, second is the combat mk5

seems like the mk5 has a narrower hitbox, slightly bigger numbers but overall doesn't seem to keep up, and with a vertical slice only on the heavies too. So wondering what the way that it would do so much more damage could be

[balmy zealot]

Do you guys think trauma staff is good as is

[austere estuary]

@split oxide

teach me

[austere estuary]

I think it's the weakest staff, but in the right group and map it can be very strong

needs some love though

especially on its blessings

[manic needle]

Trauma is okay, it could probably use some love to its peril cost and/or damage

Has anyone gotten Surge on a Trauma staff?

[austere estuary]

peril cost doesn't really matter, they could nerf it by half and it'd be the same after the first couple casts

[balmy zealot]

I feel like it's too situational and held back by the high peril gain

[austere estuary]

I haven't, was excited to but heard it doesn't work properly (e.g. we don't get triple nuke)

[long wharf]

I don't think trauma gets surge

[manic needle]

Some people say its possible but Ive never seen it

[austere estuary]

but like at high peril, which is where I spend a lot of time, and where you get the most bang for buck by overcapping, atm you briefly quell to 83-80 and then full charge and cast at like 95-97

so each cast only really costing 3

after charge

same applies for me using purgatus

void can be a bit different

also trauma really badly needs something different for its peril transfer

only works on primary atm

[austere estuary]

going to re-encode this to less than 100MB and see if it embeds

[scarlet timber]

WHAT melee weapons

people run with

psyker btw

i wonder how high is this classes armor damage?

[split oxide]

Heresy was never so easy: I was laughing like my psyker!!!!!!
MKII only had strikedown.. I had to jump-in/jump-out and plan which ones I could snipe..
Practically mowing them down now.

[cyan notch]

for mk5 the main power of horde clear comes from its push attack which is really strong with brutal momentum also you should only use heavies for armour and ogryns the maniac damage is higher on lights and very small increase on unarmoured and infested

[austere estuary]

I like a variety - Force Sword is very well rounded and has unique tricks especially with deflector blessing, while running a non-force weapon lets you passively drop peril quickly just by being equipped

[austere estuary]

thank you, I'll give that a go

[scarlet timber]

what do people use as non sword weapons

are rapiers good?

the shovel?

[austere estuary]

duelling swords are good for going fast

shovels don't appear for psykers after the intro prologue bit

[scarlet timber]

oh really?

lol

xD

[austere estuary]

yeah I was confused about it

[valid lake]

axes

[scarlet timber]

alright then what else i hated the catachan

[austere estuary]

yeah catachan is a bit weak

the axes all handle surprisingly differently from each other

[cyan notch]

rapier is a sword

[austere estuary]

I'm a fan of the tactical mk VII axe, seems the combat mk V is also good if you know what moves to use and have some good blessings

daggers are great for moving fast and single target murder

[split oxide]

https://tenor.com/sYlZ.gif @manic needle thx

[austere estuary]

they manage hordes okay too

[lean python]

is anybody available with a shield Ogryn to help with Malleus Monstrorum pen?

[keen storm]

+toughness or + health for curios?

[drowsy torrent]

Well I upgraded it, but no soul blaze.

[austere estuary]

I take 2 toughness, 1 health

[drowsy torrent]

I can help with that.

[austere estuary]

[cyan notch]

wtf how did u get those blessings

[austere estuary]

he was blessed by rngesus

[drowsy torrent]

The God-Emperor bestowed his gift upon me.

[austere estuary]

the... god-emperngr?

[drowsy torrent]

However, Hadron the toaster queen was intolerant.

It one shots everything in the meatgrinder when it crits.

[violet thorn]

me trying to get 3 elite kill explosion penace but suddenly all the trio gunner/shotgunner groups dont spawn anymore

[drowsy torrent]

I will reroll unarmored into crit damage.

[violet thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/ren-and-stimpy-ren-stimpy-wake-up-day-ruined-gif-22521235

[long wharf]

where did you find that originally?

[valid lake]

does haveing 6 warp chagres effect the AB breakpoints ?

[lean python]

also for those wondering what the T4 slaughterer ;looks like

[cyan notch]

nice

[austere estuary]

AB? sorry my brain isn't going

[split oxide]

MK5 makes Heresy easier than Malice/MKII

[valid lake]

ascendant blaze

[austere estuary]

oh right

not sure but

worth trying with both 6 charges and all or nothing

since wep doesn't need to be out for it especially

I know AoN t4 + 6 charges makes Damnation Bulwark 2 BB to kill from 3

hmmm

[lethal folio]

Yes. 6 charges is extremely important.

Even elite gunners can die to 6 charge blaze with the right weapon perks active.

[austere estuary]

third 21% health curio just now, green though so perks are in the hands of the emprah

welp

15% pox hound resistance

ofc

[cyan notch]

not worth it imo

[valid lake]

how to we get better curios ? mine are all trash

[austere estuary]

you pray and check the shop

[balmy zealot]

100% luck based

[austere estuary]

and then get something half decent and reroll one of the perks

[cyan notch]

better to wait for a 19-20% with a good perk than gambling

[balmy zealot]

it's rng on top of rng

[cyan notch]

too expensive and too rng

[balmy zealot]

this some genshin impact gacha bull shit

[austere estuary]

I'll gladly spend 200 plasteel on a 21%

just to see what happens

[valid lake]

and with no cross progression or inventory screw that

[austere estuary]

every time

[long wharf]

indeed it is

[austere estuary]

gonna have to test this with flame at 6 stacks

completely impractical

[long wharf]

you'll hit max stacks pretty immediately

not that headtaker is all that large a damage buff

[austere estuary]

oh I meant to get the stacks first and then see

20% power seems pretty big to me

[long wharf]

you'll see a rise in soulblaze dot damage, but it won't be significant

because soulblaze damage isn't significant

and the dot hits don't count for chaining

as that comes from weapon attacks

[austere estuary]

I mean

to keep flailing away

to maintain the bonuses for 60%

then fire it off and continue attacking the whole while

unless the dot ticks break chaining

[long wharf]

you do realize you're going to kill things with melee far more quickly than soulblaze ever would, right?

[austere estuary]

I'll kill things near to me with melee

[long wharf]

which means taking the time to apply soulblaze isn't going to be inefficient

[austere estuary]

soulblaze ult hits for miles

[golden bramble]

is this worth?

[long wharf]

there are no "AB breakpoints"

[austere estuary]

oh wow okay

so the 60% power

from axe stacks

doubled the tick damage

54 with just 6 stacks used, if busy attacking, over 100 per tick

outsized bonus on it

[long wharf]

okay, so let me ask you this

what melee weapon was that?

a knife?

something fast?

[austere estuary]

54 to 102 from the 60% power alone is crazy scaling

wait, to 104

[scarlet lily]

Has crafting been completed yet? 👀

[long wharf]

nope, and no word about it yet either

[scarlet lily]

whack

One day I'll be able to make weapons the empra would be proud of

[austere estuary]

so not sure but seems like this is just a pretty strong axe, did a few circles around the psyk with it in damnation

I drop the chain a few times, and also keep every now and then getting a light when I mean to just always heavy

but nevertheless seems pretty potent, and the shove attack (not in video) seems good v horde, and this is with far from perfect baseline stats

video encoding almost done...

if in group passive warp charges might also become more of a thing too

the tac axes are interesting weps vs flak too due to their crit vs non crit on it

where it's lower than other damage types until you crit, then it becomes the best target aside from unyielding

[split oxide]

You were using 'heavy' all the time?

[austere estuary]

yeah mostly, except the little vertical overhead straight down, that is I think me screwing up and getting a light

[manic needle]

Heavy on tac axes tends to be fairly spammable

Short wind up period

[lapis bay]

satisfying af too

[austere estuary]

this thing would lose it's chain attack stacks vs hordes if using push attack, but push attack also p much one shots them so it's pretty okay there

[manic needle]

Its pretty much the only thing Mk. 7 has going for it imo

[austere estuary]

and since we have a strong crucian roulette gun if we need to we can still snipe something

well, Isay strong

'good enough'

it's my crucian roulette bot, but it's actually pretty fine for shooting

not very good

but at least with ghost no worries about the usual death source

[split oxide]

@manic needle not that I'd ever be tempted: does tac-mk7 have a similar 'sideswipe'?

[austere estuary]

push attack is yeah

[manic needle]

no lol

[austere estuary]

though the heavies cleave a wee tiny bit, push attack seems better for it than the heavy

[south zephyr]

getting close

[manic needle]

mk. 7 is overhead. all of its attacks are single target, I dont remember what the push attack is but it wasnt memorable

[balmy patrol]

push attack is what

when you block + mouse click?

[austere estuary]

diagonal down left

yeah

[balmy patrol]

isn't that just a shove

[manic needle]

And hold the left click button, yeah

if you press the button it only shoves

[balmy patrol]

oh you have to hold it?

[manic needle]

If you hold it, you do the counterattack

[balmy patrol]

ahhh

[manic needle]

RIghto

[balmy patrol]

that explains a lot

[austere estuary]

oh man I keep typing mk2

when talking about this mk7

it's no horde clearing beast

to put it gently

[manic needle]

Its so bad

The only thing it has going is mobility

[austere estuary]

though it's nice that the heavy doesn't get stuck on anything easily at all

yeah

so you're quite mobile

[manic needle]

All the better for running away from the hordes you cant clear

[austere estuary]

another reason to pair it with some passive warp charge gen and use the ult to horde clear

then target down anything meaty

not sure if any of the crucian roulette capable guns can clear horde well ro not

[manic needle]

y'all are using guns?

All I need in my life is my gun-staff, Voidstrike

[long wharf]

autoguns aren't bad for horde clear

[austere estuary]

nah I'm not really - aside from that shredder for fast runs

[manic needle]

If I get bored of the staffs I might try gunker

Just to see how much of a meme it really is on high diffs

[austere estuary]

gunker stealing that

shredder pistol blessings vastly affect its damage

again, low damage roll weapon

pretty good for gunker due to high RoF

and mobile

[split oxide]

gunker has BB but vet has +1 grenade every 90 secs.
zealot grenade has a larger area , but needs someone to rush in an 'finish the job'

[manic needle]

Vet has special + perk synergy

Asspull grenades are just another bonus

[austere estuary]

tbh with the amount of good guns I get

I start to feel part of the reason people feel vets are so good is just that it's so much more likely to get a great weapon

if you're waiting on class specifics that might not even appear at all on a given refresh, let alone a good one

[balmy patrol]

yes

also guns are overtuned because they're new to dorktide

while non-vets are copy pasta'd from vermintide

[manic needle]

Psykers have a gearing problem, certainly

They get the worst of shop roulette

[long wharf]

the Veterans feel so good because for a part of Darktide's development, they were the only class

[balmy patrol]

CS:GO in space babby

[long wharf]

and they've gotten the most attention for polishing their mechanics and feel, as they're clearly FartShart's favored class

[austere estuary]

fwiw I tend to only enjoy vet in small doses and miss the broader playstyle variance and utility on psyker

[long wharf]

yep, I did last week's penances on my vet, and this week I don't think I'm going to touch my vet at all

[balmy patrol]

i feel psyker has utility but man the peril needs to be toned down a little

even with 80% peril res

[manic needle]

Shatfark hasnt really touched Psyker much since the beta, except to nerf dueling sword move tech

[split oxide]

As a gunker - why would I ever want an autogun?
Flayer needs lots of attacks... Accatran is onluy option.

[austere estuary]

whenever I read some derisory wordswap for dev or company names, it just makes me hear that guy in that south park episode

who keeps calling stan stan darsh

[long wharf]

until they fix Darktide and deliver on their words, they deserve every twisted name we call them

[austere estuary]

well, in my case just due to it having crucian roulette on, to power melee crits

calling 'fartshart', something I'd expect from grade schoolers, 'twisted' seems to be giving that a lot more credit

[long wharf]

to deliver what they did at full game price and then have an expensive cash shop means I have zero sympathy for them at all

[austere estuary]

I have no sympathy for many companies and other public figures, but I'm not really feeling like I'll start essentially going around referring to them as 'poopypants' or whatever

[manic needle]

ObeseCarcharodon is definitely in the dog house for me, but I just enjoy calling them silly things

[austere estuary]

okay I learned a word there so there's that at least

[cloud heron]

Even in the veterans weapon pool, I feel like more weapons feel bad to use than don't.

[long wharf]

DwarfMegalodon?

BariatricToothyfish?

[placid sorrel]

how do gunks benefit from guns? the only one i see is 15% more non-warp damage after BB

[austere estuary]

very high rof guaranteeing the 10% brain burst proc when cooldown is up

[manic needle]

Things like warp charge

[austere estuary]

whoops wrong reply

that was for ork

[long wharf]

they really don't

[austere estuary]

and then in turn they benefit from the damage boost from the other perk

[long wharf]

psykers that use guns are just cosplaying as veterans

[maiden wolf]

Which synergizes with the former when fighting large enemies. Kinda meh otherwise.

[placid sorrel]

15 sec cooldown is nasty

[cloud heron]

I don't really understand gun psyker either. Kinetic flayer isn't that good

[austere estuary]

so you go brrrrr, get damage, brainburst autopops, you continue brr and get bonus damage on your brrrr for 5s

[long wharf]

kinetic flayer really isn't good enough to build around

15s between free BBs is very meh

[manic needle]

I still maintain that the biggest benefit of Gunker is stealing ammo from veterans who keep killing your BB targets

[placid sorrel]

does the bb stacks increase gun damage?

[austere estuary]

yes

[long wharf]

seriously?

[maiden wolf]

I keep suggesting ideas to make gunpsyker more viable. Hopefully rotundbrucie sees my comments eveywhere on reddit

[manic needle]

Warp Charge affects damage in general, not just BB

[placid sorrel]

[long wharf]

it shouldn't

[austere estuary]

I'll check

thought it did

hang on

[long wharf]

oi vay, this game is so broken

[cloud heron]

Earlier today I saw a veteran complain about us stealing his shooter kills for his ult refresh

[austere estuary]

why is it broken?

[cloud heron]

was just beside myself at the audacity

[austere estuary]

it says on warp charge increases damage

[long wharf]

because BB should be warp damage

[austere estuary]

not warp damage

[long wharf]

and yet it's not

[placid sorrel]

just flat damage?

[full coral]

wish I had this on my zealot 😦

[long wharf]

there's no reason for a warp charge to increase your gun damage

it doesn't fit thematically nor mechanically with everything else the psyker does

it's stupid

[austere estuary]

thematically, you can easily make up a good enough reason

[kindred edge]

That's a take

[cloud heron]

if they're going to give psyker guns then it should synergize with guns

[austere estuary]

you get all charged with warp, and can boost the kinetic force, blah blah

[cloud heron]

but i would prefer they just take away the guns

[long wharf]

I disagree

[maiden wolf]

Axcellent. BTW, as was revealed yesterday, binus stamina actually buff the peril block

[austere estuary]

I mean you're a space wizard

[placid sorrel]

Psyker Leadcaster

[kindred edge]

Some say it's one of the takes ever written

[long wharf]

I think the psyker should only get pistols

and staves

[austere estuary]

and mechanically it helps you make them workable

[full coral]

buff as of less peril charge?

[maiden wolf]

Louder for the people in the back, I've had soem argfuments about this

[long wharf]

have a psyker subclass that focuses on pistols

[manic needle]

https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Inferno_Weapons

[fluid knot]

Kills specialists faster than any stave and its not even close

[manic needle]

Makes sense since Gunkers are clearly heretics

[long wharf]

we aren't corrupted space marines

[maiden wolf]

yeah, higher stamina = less peril per hit

[austere estuary]

yeah, can confirm

charges affect all your damage

[full coral]

well I got an insane axe on a psyker than lucky me I guess

[austere estuary]

including bullets

[long wharf]

I'm not surprised

[austere estuary]

it's exactly as described in tooltips in game

[long wharf]

just continuing to find a deeper level of disappointment in FartShart

[austere estuary]

why is that disappointing?

[placid sorrel]

i might see the appeal

gonna try with the 6 stack feat

[manic needle]

Yeah but hey at least there's some sort of precedent. Won't stop the inquisitor from knocking on every Gunker's door as far as I'm concerned.

[long wharf]

because it means FartShart themselves have no concept of the psyker to model game mechanics around

[austere estuary]

???

[fluid knot]

Sadly that means going without Flayer, which is a good source of damage if you're using a gun, much better than the 6 charges will provide

[long wharf]

it's just a hodge podge of ideas

nothing thematic tying everything together sensibly

[placid sorrel]

oh damn same row huh

[maiden wolf]

Bombastic elasmobranch

[fluid knot]

Yer, sadly

[long wharf]

bed time for bonzo.

[cloud heron]

Really not feeling this whole "gunker" word. I can't not read it as "Gunk-er" instead of "gun-ker"

[austere estuary]

I've played 40k tabletop back from 2nd edition, happily read all the fiction I had time to, nearly 30 books deep into horus heresy and the last book of which I read was following kai zulane and some other psyker and navigator buddies

[manic needle]

Intentional

[placid sorrel]

Gunksmen

[manic needle]

Since that what they do to party comps 🙂

[austere estuary]

and I really don't see a big problem with psyker getting gun damage in this

[placid sorrel]

6 stacks with revolver sounds like it will smash shit

[cyan notch]

yes it sounds exceedingly stupid

[maiden wolf]

I keep suggesting the ability to recharge lasguns as psyker. Does that sound lore plausible to you?

[austere estuary]

like it's all space wizardry, and then on top of that game kind of important. Beyond that, for a game where some of the bigger problems it has is where things feel like they aren't viable, I'm happy to see things that are

[austere estuary]

I don't know that much about lasguns

can't really spin it easily though in my head

[fluid knot]

People seem to just get mad because not using magic stick, its way more effective than people give it credit for. "bUt yOu'Re JuSt A bAd VeT!!!!" Whilst fully ignoring it plays totally different to Vet

[austere estuary]

make bullets go faster or harder or something though

kine shields and so on but in reverse

that feels pretty easy to slot in

[cloud heron]

Don't need a psyker for that. Just carry around some kindling.

[kindred edge]

You can canonically partially recharge lasgun power cells by throwing them in a campfire

[maiden wolf]

I'd love to see plasma gun style penetration

[austere estuary]

that'd be neat

or if we learn from naked snake

[maiden wolf]

Yeah, I could see a specialized lasgun that the psyker can channel energy through being lore plausible

[austere estuary]

we need to bring some special mushrooms

[cloud heron]

Does it really play different than a vet though?

[austere estuary]

and eat them

to recharge our lasguns

[fluid knot]

Significantly yeah

[austere estuary]

you're still going to be using BB, and you're also still going to be using your ult differently entirely to how a vet would - and possibly tanking a lot more

if you take blocking

[fluid knot]

By that same logic you could say Zealot plays no differnet Vet too, which is equally shortsighted

[placid sorrel]

I dont mind experimenting, going the Radical Psyker path

i made that up

[maiden wolf]

Gunker's niche could have been crowd control gun use if super-sized carcharhinus had given psyker more gun synergies

[kindred edge]

Would be neat (but not lore-supported) to see an energy weapon of some kind that connects to the back of your head with a thick-ass cable and shoots armor-ignoring death beams

[maiden wolf]

yooo

[kindred edge]

Psychically powered of course

[placid sorrel]

Psycannon for psykers wen

[cloud heron]

I mean if a zealot took a lasgun and went through the level shooting elites I would say the same thing

[austere estuary]

hey if we can burn out psyker souls to power a mechanical life support machine

[fluid knot]

Its neiche is close fire support with the means to reach out further than Vet with BB, not only that, the cycle between Ult, BB, gun and melee is fucking smooooooth

[austere estuary]

why not burn out just a wee bit for a really cool gun

[split oxide]

I see psykers as either glass-cannon or support.
I don't know what gunker role fills

[manic needle]

Honestly as far as Psyker weapons go, I just want them to copy/paste the Beam Staff into this game. Give it some blue SFX and call it a day

[austere estuary]

eyyyy

[manic needle]

Let's get some viable Monster damage in here

[kindred edge]

Oh shit, it would be amazing to get like a stealth-oriented class where you're a pariah

[rocky cedar]

I wish more guns got unique peril using special attacks like laspistol does

[fluid knot]

Being able to go invisible and reposition would make for a sick subclass

[maiden wolf]

Eldar spears that penetrate hordes and return are lore-friendly

[austere estuary]

4 stealth oriented players, each playing chicken with the others to be the first to attack so the others can teleport behind, 'nothing personell kidd psshh' backstabs

I would absolutely be one of those 4 at some point

[kindred edge]

Yeah, absolutely! Ult is complete invisibility for 10 seconds or until you attack with a guaranteed crit

[fluid knot]

Very Borderlands 2 😂

[cloud heron]

Just gotta get the sexy elf character put into the game first

[kindred edge]

Oh shit, yeah, like exactly lmao

[split oxide]

Stealth is good, BUT KPS (kills per second) is better-er.

[placid sorrel]

higher kills means more stealthy

[austere estuary]

borderlands did high speed murder stealth pretty well

[fluid knot]

I fully think anyone can horde clear, the ability to drop specialists is far more important, but each to their own with their own playstyles

[austere estuary]

zoomin around in stealth and getting big burst

[placid sorrel]

rapid burst feat seems viable for gunkering

[cloud heron]

Hard disagree. Any class can horde clear, but not everyone will have the tools on hand to horde clear. And in the same way, anyone can drop specialists

[fluid knot]

Kinetic Barrage is a must pick yeah if you're going down that route

[fluid knot]

Melee is horde clear, because hordes are soft, specialists arent and can nerf your whole HP in a second, especially when as squishy as Psyker

[split oxide]

you probably spend 4 seconds repositioning.. but laying down

[cyan notch]

i mean u can horde clear with knife but it cant match the speed or efficiency of zealot flamer

[cloud heron]

Hordes realistically need cleared at a certain speed to be meaningful

[fluid knot]

Yo thats a bad example 😂 Flamer is WAY overtuned

[placid sorrel]

might look out for brutal momentum axe for horde clear, im comfortable with it on other classes

[fluid knot]

Yeah its a good way to do it, arguably the best the class gets for melee options

[manic needle]

Psyker always has some Elite/special kill ability with BB. Mileage varies depending on build.

[maiden wolf]

I got a voidstrike staff with level 3 peril transfer, with big enough crowds I can actually generate negative peril withbeach shot

[cyan notch]

i mean sure even purg staff no melee is gonna compete

[maiden wolf]

👌

[austere estuary]

I've had this, it's crazy

watching your peril just dunk by like 20-30%

thinking, "no peril goes up, silly staff"

and keep blasting away

good fun

[maiden wolf]

Its almost a god roll with 380 base, the first blessing is really bad though.

[manic needle]

Even easier with T4. I might experiment with animation cancelling just to see the potential

[fluid knot]

See you in December '23 for Blessing changing 😂

[austere estuary]

I think animation cancelling is fun but kinda niche

for primary fire spam

[cyan notch]

they havent even fixed the void secondary peril gain

[austere estuary]

I'm huffing hopium for next week

[placid sorrel]

purge is strong but splitting bodies apart really gets me

[austere estuary]

hopefully I don't inhale too much

[fluid knot]

Christ that would be good wouldnt it 😂

[rigid blade]

Does the self destruction have shit range or shit damage?

[austere estuary]

this is what I love about trauma

[cloud heron]

Both

[fluid knot]

Then we can all be poor on both material counters 😂

[austere estuary]

big meat and blood fireworks

[manic needle]

Yeah

[austere estuary]

lol

[rigid blade]

I’m gonna fucking hate this…

[austere estuary]

yeah is the answer indeed

I found the easiest set up is using trauma staff

one charged epicentre nuke is enough to guarantee a rager is primed

[cloud heron]

Someone suggested the trauma staff to me a few days ago and it helped a lot

[austere estuary]

and builds a lot of peril

and knocks down

so sets up the kill well

[rigid blade]

All just in time for my allies to look in their general direction

[cloud heron]

You need someone in on it. I wouldn't recommend doing it in a pug

[rigid blade]

I’m lacking in options on that front

[cloud heron]

#vox-lfg-nasa

[austere estuary]

like the best chance of getting it solo would be on that sewers map where you drop down the square hole at the start and often you're right there with 3 ragers

[cloud heron]

or the other regions

[austere estuary]

but still

[rigid blade]

Forgot about that, thanks

[austere estuary]

sometimes that map isn't up

or not at the right difficulty

[cloud heron]

someone on reddit posted something about doing it on the espionage throneside map

[austere estuary]

but if it is, you could set private and reroll it until you get ragers at start

bots ... probably won't screw it up for you

........probably

[manic needle]

Chasm Logistratum, or maybe Magistrati Oubliette?

[austere estuary]

Oh I'm sorry, I'm awful with the names

the only map name I know is the new one

and that's because I was looking for it to try it when it came out

[brittle crest]

finally unlocked the void staff, boi howdy is it fun

and whoever said the palpatine staff would feel underwhelming was right

[stark junco]

What feats do ya'll run with surge + mk v axe?

[austere estuary]

yeah I think you either love or hate surge staff

or well

I don't find myself wanting to use it ever really

but I know a lot of people who love it

[placid sorrel]

i like to run in the middle of the horde when i "accidentally" periled

[cloud heron]

my surge build is quietitude, psykinetic's wrath, psychic communion, kinetic deflection, kinetic flayer, ascending blaze. Build charges passively with communion and flayer, ult for horde clear in a pinch

[austere estuary]

I always struggle to decide when I pop, into enemies for satisfying taking them with you, or into safe spot for res

conflicted

[austere estuary]

barrage also a decent choice, if you're confident your team has horde down

for quick stacks or taking out elites/gunner squads

[manic needle]

I will always choose barrage over AB for Surge staff, unless someone comes up with a crazy build that changes my mind

The elite/special kill for Barrage is so good and compliments Mk 5 + surge very well

[brittle crest]

is wrack and ruin any amount of meaningful damage while leveling? or should i just take something else on that second row?

[cloud heron]

Hordes are your weakness with surge. AB is weakness coverage.

[manic needle]

Mk. 5 Axe deals with hordes

[austere estuary]

if you're using voidstrike, top talent is always 5% damage at least

[cloud heron]

Admittedly I haven't used the mk5 axe, but I really have a hard time believing it can compete with "everything in front of you dies" when you need to clutch

[manic needle]

If a party wipes, its usually the result of specials during a horde, and Mk. 5 + KB gives the tools to deal with both, which is why I like that setup

[austere estuary]

it won't be as good as a 4 stack AB but you as always with this choice, tradeoffs

I nearly always run barrage outside of purgatus

[manic needle]

Also while Mk. 5 may not kill as quickly as an Ascendant Blaze special, its also not a CD ability and is very safe/defensible horde clear

Give it a shot sometime if you havent tried it, just to see if you like it

[cloud heron]

I dunno, most of my games are public matchmaking and I wipe plenty because of hordes getting out of control. Party gets split and suffocates because no one has aoe damage

[austere estuary]

worth trying all of them for sure

[austere estuary]

those are rough times

[cloud heron]

but of course, if you bring a purge staff then you get grouped with 3 flamer zealots

[austere estuary]

I think when your party is getting that split up

it's hard no matter what

[manic needle]

If youre getting randoms in pubs dying to poxwalkers, thats... something.

Like, just poxwalkers and nothing else

[austere estuary]

split up and in the open happens in pugs sometimes

[manic needle]

Like how does that even happen?

[austere estuary]

and hordes eat that

[cloud heron]

it's not dying to the poxwalkers, it's dying from everyone backpedalling in different directions and then a special shows up

[austere estuary]

seen it happen so many times

[cloud heron]

or yeah maybe it's poxwalkers and the vet is trying to snipe something

[austere estuary]

the melee on hordes as people struggle to deal with them while the special just stands looking menacing even minces people

or stops them dealing with specials etc

[manic needle]

Right yeah but thats basically what I said earlier, the threat from hordes is putting extra pressure on a team that makes it harder to deal with specials

[cloud heron]

and AB just clears the field and lets everyone reset

[cloud heron]

You're not going to take out specials with BB if you're also being pressured by the horde

[austere estuary]

purgatus and AB is like my ultimate 'protect the party from dying to positioning and hordes' setup

saves so much stress

[cloud heron]

it's space that's valuable, which is what AB provides

[austere estuary]

so much space

and in 360 degrees

[manic needle]

I really dont understand the problem people seem to have with kiting poxwalkers while BBing. The only time it isnt viable is if youre flanked/cornered

[austere estuary]

that's the kicker

[cloud heron]

the problem with purge is that it leans you too far into horde clearing and then you can't cover mid distance shooters very well. Plus zealots that see you have a purge staff and interpret it as a competition with you

[austere estuary]

yeah, that happens

can't win em all

team game at the end of the day

[cloud heron]

I think surge with AB lets you win more than other combinations

[cyan notch]

thats why i use kinetic barrage with purg

[cloud heron]

like i'm not ever going to say kinetic barrage is bad, but even with a purge staff, the on demand field clear that AB gives has saved me way too many times

The use case with purge being the added mobility it gives

[austere estuary]

for purge I can't not use AB

that passive warp gen is so bananas

even if it disabled my ult entirely

I'd still take it

just for that passive

[cloud heron]

also yeah, extra charges + overload is fun

[austere estuary]

man now I understand the mk5 axe a bit

I really want to get a decent one

best I have is D:

[cyan notch]

why do u need warp gen if youre not using ab though

[cloud heron]

Overload

[cyan notch]

weird

i dont like using ab with overload they kinda work against each other

[austere estuary]

having 6 warp charges all the time is a big damage increase

or alternatively overload

they don't work against each other at all

with purgatus, AB's passive generates a lot of extra warp charges

I run it with 6 warp charges usually - it's not uncommon for me to use ult, drop the 6 charges and immediately see it jump back to 3 or even 6 charges

[cloud heron]

It builds stacks faster on beefier elites inside of what you're shooting at

[sick solar]

Hey this good??? LOL: