psyker-class

[orchid nest]

yeah I dunno. giveus 150 base and shotgunner resist like I said and I'll run it

snipers you can never have enough toughness for but that would make shotgunners ok

[bleak tulip]

you see, vet takes double toughness damage while sprinting so that makes up for it

[mighty pike]

The thing we were told to do to avoid ranged damage at range

[bleak tulip]

no you see youre supposed to be sliding

[cyan notch]

man id take even 130 toughness

125

[orchid nest]

yeah for real

[mighty pike]

The ingame tutorial DOES explicitly says sprinting to avoid fire is the strategy before sliding into cover

[bleak tulip]

get one toughness curio then

[cyan notch]

theres a penance for dodging bullets by sprinting too lol

[bleak tulip]

I wanna say sprinting already makes enemies less likely to hit you so its not strictly wrong

[orchid nest]

I did run one for a while but I went back to health

[bleak tulip]

its just when they do hit you they do more... for some reason

[mighty pike]

I do wonder about some of the decisions behind this game sometimes

[bleak tulip]

its missing some balance passes is all

maybe sometime this year

[cyan notch]

i was running toughness + toughness on every curio one time too but the random health chunks really sucks

[manic needle]

Im just hoping crafting will be finished by 2024 🙃

[orchid nest]

yeah you get a buff while sprinting if you have stamina that makes you have a chance to dodge ranged or something like that but then you take increased damage when you don't dodge and get stunned out of the sprint.. truly amazing mechanics

[bleak tulip]

I mean I get the meme but we all know its likely coming this month either way

[bleak tulip]

considering it was meant to come december

[cyan notch]

yea and with the lockout system like perks

[bleak tulip]

I mean would you expect anything else?

[mighty pike]

No

I wouldn't and it hurts

I didn't even pay for the game myself

[manic needle]

Its not here yet so I can dream

[bleak tulip]

I mean lets be real, if you have your godroll like two months in, what do you do

[mighty pike]

When it exists only in our imagination it is perfect and has no flaws

[mighty pike]

I'd go "yeah" because I'd have something cool. Rather than doing nothing now and not having anything coli

[bleak tulip]

I dont mind the lockout to prevent easy god rolls, I mind the shitty weapon delivery

[cyan notch]

try other weapons/builds/perkblessing combos?

people had god rolls in vt2 and they still played

[bleak tulip]

you dont need godrolls to do that

you can already play everything

you dont need godrolls for anything its just a carrot

[cyan notch]

no what if i want specific combos of blessings

i cant get that

[silk verge]

i would like to see at least a force sword with deflector but i haven't even seen this perk once

[bleak tulip]

why not, get one that has one of the two then switch one of them out once its out

[mighty pike]

I think the desire for godrolls etc is a mean to pad playtime rather than anything meaningful for the game

[cyan notch]

still at the mercy of rng i havent seen a single lacerate or bloodthirsty

[bleak tulip]

I also would like the weapon distribution to be less bad, but all we're gonna get is a paid shop reroll sometime

sadly

[orchid nest]

it will for real get a lot of people to quit when they get an approximation of what they want finally and realize the difference wasn't as much as they were fantasizing about. I expect that doesn't apply as much to people who come here who are more dedicated, but yeah.

[mighty pike]

Most of the weapons are the same weapon but slightly different already

[mighty pike]

They'll realise getting a "god roll" actually doesn't really mean anything and that'll evaporate the last bit of desire to keep playing for no reason

[silk verge]

yeah with my psyker i get always the legendary weapons from the emperor and instantly sell them coz i don't play a vet ....

[cyan notch]

some people dont even have good rolls till now let alone god rolls

[bleak tulip]

and you dont even need good rolls to beat damnation it just makes it easier

most people dont even play damn

so it literally is just "nice to have"

[orchid nest]

there is a couple exceptions I guess but yeah like bloodthirsty the system coming out isn't gonna change the fact most of us won't even see it to get a votive of it anyways

[cyan notch]

ok so its not about needing this to beat this

its about having fun with different builds perks blessings

what if i want to play crit void with surge do funny double shot

what if i want to run around with knife bleed

[orchid nest]

oh i'm 100% with you blood. theres a lot of people here I expect that maxed out in v2 like me and didn't have anything to work towards at all and still played. the general gaming community is predictable though

[bleak tulip]

you wait for the manual shop reroll to get added or go check melk every day since thats arguably your best source of blessings

[cyan notch]

cant do any of that at any reasonable pace

[bleak tulip]

the game's been out for literally just over a month my dude

[cyan notch]

and yet the best way to get what you want to try is to camp shops

[bleak tulip]

one day we'll be out of early access and shit like "ultrarare because only available as a tier 4 blessing" shit like that is likely gonna get more common

same with deflector

[silk verge]

yeah and it still won't run stable ... i have a 2080ti and have to lower my settings and reduce my gpu clock so my game won't crash

[bleak tulip]

because right now it seems just like an oversight

[mighty pike]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-me-adrian-boseman-the-good-fight-look-its-me-i-cant-relate-gif-21896793

[bleak tulip]

the sooner you realize its early acess and that their first priority is fixing crashes the better for your sanity

[orchid nest]

at least with deflector the tier isn't really important, that will make setting up a fs easier. I mean it's nice but even a t1 deflector works

[bleak tulip]

optimization isnt a priority, if you excuse my educated speculation

[silk verge]

well a friend asked me one evening where the game crashed like 10x during one mission if i still have fun my answer was just "i'm already dead inside

[bleak tulip]

the best we got was them unfucking raytracing because its a big thing to put on the box, if that doesnt work its a priority

and unfucking is mostly just "it technically works now"

even if it still eats more frames than it should

and you cant even run at a stable 60 with a 3070

[silk verge]

i'm afraid to turn it on coz the game will start crashing more T.T

[orchid nest]

the darktide meta, having an older but not too old computer

[bleak tulip]

I mean its all a driver crapshoot tbh

most of the crashes left are driver issues

afaik

[silk verge]

well funny enough my laptop with a rtx 3060 gets like 1 crash in 5 missions

[mighty pike]

A "mature" pc

[orchid nest]

[bleak tulip]

I rarely get crashes too on a 3070 anymore but it used to be pretty shit

[mighty pike]

I'm running an SSD a decade old and a 2070 and I've only had about a half dozen crashes

I'll tell you what IS confusing to me though

[silk verge]

i thought a mature pc would have like an Pentium IV cpu

[mighty pike]

People on Reddit keep complaining about loading times and saying it takes twenty minutes to get anywhere. My screens are like 30 seconds to a minute maximum mostly. I'm running on much older ssd so I can't tell if they're being hyperbolic

[silk verge]

nah these ppl use very old and slow hdd's

[bleak tulip]

some people still havent realized that games arent made to be played off HDD's anymore

and havent been for years

[cyan notch]

it is pretty dumb to load morningstar again after cancelling mission though

[silk verge]

like a friend of me who wanted to buy an usb 2.0 external hdd for gaming

[bleak tulip]

I mean deadass if you still use a HDD at all for anything but bulk storage I dont know what to tell you

[mighty pike]

My SSD is ACTUALLY from 2014 though. It has 400gb capacity

[bleak tulip]

doesnt matter, the oldest SSD is still faster than the newest HDD

[silk verge]

and definetly more quiet xD

[mighty pike]

How are people playing games and using good CPUs and GPUs and don't know that ssds are necessary though

[bleak tulip]

people who buy prebuilts and wanna save a buck, or get laptops on the edge of just good enough where they still get HDDs for some fucking reason

[silk verge]

well these ppl porbably go to amazon and search for "gaming PC" and just buy the ones with the prettiest pictures

[bleak tulip]

most people dont really know that much about hardware tbh

they will literally get the same laptop with an HDD over an SSD just because its like a hundred bucks cheaper

they just dont fuckin know better

[silk verge]

do they even built laptop's with hdd's?

[bleak tulip]

yeah, you'd be surprised

[silk verge]

i mean they must be pretty chuncky if they have an hdd inside

[bleak tulip]

dunno about "gaming laptops" but I can imagine even those still come with HDDs now

nah you can get HDD's the same form factor as a regular ssd

[mighty pike]

I don't know where hardware is anymore. Apparently there are 4080s GPUs now?

[silk verge]

well lucky me that i have my m2 in my laptop and just to save a hundred bucks i took one with 500gb

4090ti i think

[bleak tulip]

thats the thing, we all moved on to m2 at this point

but some people still have HDDs

[silk verge]

hell no i wan't my quiet PC i don't need this beeping and stuff xD

[mighty pike]

But if so: how did they not notice the loading times are bad in the other games they play too

[bleak tulip]

I mean darktide takes somewhat longer to "load" than other games too even on an SSD

mostly because of lobby matching and shit

go open task manager the next time you load into the mourningstar

most of the time is matching, not actually loading

[silk verge]

well when u played Borderlands 3 on a Xbox 1 you had like 3-5 mins boot time just to get to the char selection

[mighty pike]

Day in the life of a true prebuilt geezer

[cyan notch]

hdds have way bigger capacity per dollar so theyre still good for storage of huge files

(that you dont need lightning speed access to)

[silk verge]

sure but even then i prefer a slim ssd which is faster and not that noisy

[mighty pike]

But sir- I can't wait on this! My life depends upon it

[bleak tulip]

the difference is honestly not as big as you might think anymore until you to like 2+TB

so basically anything other than bulk storage shouldnt be on an HDD

[silk verge]

https://diskprices.com/?locale=de bigger than u might think the lowest price for the ssd starts at 54€ where the hdd'S start at 17€

[bleak tulip]

like come on

you can get a terabyte for 60 bucks

and its not even a no name

[cyan notch]

depends on how much you need

[silk verge]

yeah but m2 need's the slot

[cyan notch]

1tb might not be enough

[bleak tulip]

as a secondary gaming nvme 1tb is plenty

unless your internet is utter dogshit

I hoard games I havent played in months and I do fine with like 2TB total

[silk verge]

me sitting here with 1 tb m2 and 1 tb ssd xD

[bleak tulip]

[cyan notch]

yea but hdds are mainly for storage not everyday access

[bleak tulip]

the only HDD there is the 4TB

thats what I mean, unless you need bulk storage, only get SSDs

[silk verge]

the question is for what do u need Bulk storage? movies and music can u stream nowadays

[bleak tulip]

I am old, I still have gigabytes of music and movies

even after trashing most of it

and I aint wasting SSD space

also recording and stuff

[cyan notch]

offline access too

[bleak tulip]

shadowplay and such gets dumped on storage so it doesnt trash up my SSD

[silk verge]

ah okay yeah if u start recording your games sure that fills the storage pretty fast

gogtta go bb

[near wyvern]

If they are others stuff, yes, if they are yours and for editing later -> that's where you want the HDD

[inland sand]

Do u guys reckon it's worth 1500 melkoins to buy a Force Sword that I won't use but has a 45 rated Deflector blessing

to melt down later 'when the time comes'(TM)

[summer prairie]

No, the bcr benefit is very insignificant

[inland sand]

so if I've already got a regular force sword with that blessing, probs not worth eh

[summer prairie]

Even if you only have tier 1 deflector, don't think so

[inland sand]

Looking forward to trying out max level Deflector with 36% block efficiency across 3 curios and the Peril block talent

I can already fully block a Crusher overhead with 0 peril and 0 BE

[cyan notch]

is it 12%?

[mighty pike]

No you'll find one on the regular shop eventually

[inland sand]

nah, 9%

[cyan notch]

skip then if its 12% id get it for fun

[bronze hound]

Is it worth?

[summer prairie]

it's good

[bronze hound]

warp resistance is a bit too low maybe? Not sure if that's a big problem on force swords

[summer prairie]

depends on how much you use the special, but you can still use it safely at 97%

[bronze hound]

Not that much, actually

[worldly chasm]

tryna do the monster penance, ahh love this player base lol

[magic hull]

to be fair its not their job to care about what penance ur doing, i wouldn't care. But do appreciate those that do

[worldly chasm]

Its more the fact that I asked at the start and they all said yes, beast spawns and they blow all their ammo into it :/

[magic hull]

he did tell you he forgot

maybe just remind people next time

[worldly chasm]

that was fine if he forgot, but the "basic english" remark rubbed me off as random rude stab for no reason, but also can't really remind people 0.1 seconds after it spawns when they've already done over 10% damage. Anyway, this penance is fucking asinine to begin with

[magic hull]

should have told him to remember what you said, basic memory.

[austere estuary]

as a trauma fan, big pog o clock

[azure ice]

Trauma gud?

[austere estuary]

also yes the basic English comment turned a fair point into a rude thing. Some people get defensive sometimes when they feel like they screwed up

[austere estuary]

good enough, and fun

it rolled warp flurry, oh no

votives pls

still, direct upgrade from current one

new left old right

also

if you can get a t4 (5%) all-or-nothing blessing on melee weapon and have 6 stacks of warp charge, damnation bulwark dies in 2BB down from 3

or 2BB and a love tap

like 30 hp left or something

er, I meant to say 2BB and love tap due to 30hp remaining if using a t3 version of 4%

38hp, yeah

which should be covered across 2BBs by an extra 1% power

[hollow portal]

Felinid DLC when?!

[rocky cedar]

I'm jealous. I think that perk is enough to one shot poxwalkers on Damnation too, though not sure max damage roll needs it

[orchid venture]

is there a sound effect for when snipers spawn?

besides like, the psyker with that one richtofen voice screaming it of course

[teal kite]

I should keep carapace enemies on this axe for my psyker right?

[orchid venture]

hmm... carapace enemies aren't really your biggest threat, and theres only 2 of them. both of which you can handle with brain burst

[teal kite]

I rolled it again and got flak armored enemies

[orchid venture]

flak is pretty good, you could even go for more damage versus infested and groaners if you want. but I would see if your push block can kill poxwalkers as it is now

if it can, keep it on flak

[teal kite]

yeah infested at first I was like naw but now im like I want them dead asap cause on harder settings I swear teams wipe while focuing on specialists and elites and always get overwhelmed by pox walkers

[orchid venture]

yeah, hoards are the biggest threat to psykers, since they dont have many options to deal with em

theres ways around it though, but your best way around it is to be around teammates, especially if they're zealots or ogryn

[teal kite]

I primary the electric staff but once its maxed peril I go melee and need that melee to push hordes down quick

which is why I like the axe over the force weapon

using electric staff and force weapon I feel like I have 2 weak weapons lol

well, 2 specialized weapons

[orchid venture]

yeah, generally the gameplan in a full squad is to have frontliners and backliners, where psyker would normally be a backliner. but filling that role doesn't necessarily mean you never melee attack during a hoard

[twilit badger]

Force sword is kinda ew

Actually

Not kinda

Just Ew

[orchid venture]

it's.... all of it's light attacks are meant for single target, and 1/2 heavies are as well

[teal kite]

imo its for killing stronger enemies and its garbo against weak ones.

[orchid venture]

but it's special attack is Very powerful

[teal kite]

https://gyazo.com/382dfc5671875cb2eac8169aec813b07 this is my current one

[teal kite]

ya, its just thats useless against tons fo weak enemies. You can slap strong ones tho

[wicked marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/full-metal-jacket-gif-26314172

[twilit badger]

I mean you already have brain burst to snipe elites

And it's not like charged attack of force sword doesn't stacks peril either

[teal kite]

but usually I max out peril then change to sword for this

https://gyazo.com/b34690420cca47bcb5e458c150e76921

when fighting hordes

[orchid venture]

you can kinda clear small enemies better if you use your first light attack to chain into your second heavy

then you just do L1 > H2 > L1 > H2 > and so on

[teal kite]

im talking like ragars in your face or crushers, The charged force sword kills them faster than you doing a brain burst

[twilit badger]

Wouldn't be just using antax with brutal moment better

[orchid venture]

yeah, you can instant kill a mutie with a charged heavy attack. I think on Heresy it leaves them with like, 1 hit of health left? but that's still strong

[teal kite]

rapid dodges with force sword are useful as well

the axe with psyker is just a more balanced weapon with less learning curve. You swing the axe you are folding most enemies

I certainly cant argue against it

[twilit badger]

Single target melee attack that causes peril with forced animation

iidk

At least give some AoE stagger when you use charged attack on enemy?

[teal kite]

or get rid of the animation lock

[twilit badger]

Or make it so that when you kill enemy with charged attack, grants you one warp charge or something

[teal kite]

force sword is a strong but complicated weapon compared to an axe which just works without fus

[twilit badger]

If you say so

Honestly, if force sword heavy attacks were full 2 side swings like power sword does, then yeah

Strong weapon sure

[frigid marten]

each weapon have a speciality, one day maybe we get anti horde force weapon with a cleave special.

[hollow steeple]

I block push after every heavy
obviously not great for kiling stuff but lets me at least keep the group under control while I'm killing them slowly lol

[fringe garden]

Force Sword is trash with a situationally useful gimmick. A good axe is by far my preference

[hollow steeple]

I think trash is hyperbole
It's fine
It may not be the best thing possible but it's entirely passable and can do things no other psyker melee weapon can with deflector

[orchid venture]

I usually use a dueling sword, or a nice tac axe

found a really good... i think Mk2 tac axe that rolled 371 on modifiers. i should probably start upgrading things to orange when I can

[orchid nest]

fs is fine with a horde clear staff. it rounds you out and brings utility.

[hollow steeple]

yeah, I usually used FS with my purgatus
so I never really had an issue dealing with crowds

but the ranged block is incredibly clutch when I want to get places without getting shot to pieces and I just can't do that with any other weapon than the ogryn's shield, which is kind of terrible for everything but blocking ranged

[low fossil]

what i'm really stuck on is what ranged weapon I want on my psyker. when I have an antax, hordes are just never an issue

[orchid nest]

probably surge then, it pairs well with it. you don't really need something like antax with purg

[mellow fossil]

So uhhh.. you guys use anything else than rods as ranged weapons?

[mighty pike]

It's that or guns and you can't do anything with a gun a veteran or a zealot can't

[tall torrent]

hadron should choke to death.

[long wharf]

She did the same thing to me

[hollow steeple]

tbf you can force push with the laspistol
which is a weapon I actually like more than expected
but also why would I use a laspistol when I can be a flamethrower or a rocket launcher or an aoe ranged stun machine

[mighty pike]

That's generally the theme

[hollow steeple]

i'm just hoping they add more regular weapons that have special interactions on psyker

[mighty pike]

One day, maybe

[devout crater]

thoughts on which of these to keep? burn and cloud radius differences are minor but quell speed difference on the blue is hugely noticeable in game

[devout crater]

I wish they would put the push from the las pistol on staffs instead of bash

[pallid estuary]

I would go for blue one

[orchid nest]

does the blue one reach 15 burn stacks?

[summer prairie]

76+ is 15 stacks

[orchid nest]

yeah then blue

[devout crater]

yeah thought as much, thanks for your input

which perks should I be looking for on purg?

[orchid nest]

crit, flak. unyielding if you want to increase monstrosity dps

[devout crater]

is it better to burn than BB a monstrosity then?

[wet belfry]

Is this good?

[orchid nest]

yeah purg does reasonable monster dps. not on flamer level but better than the other staves

[devout crater]

ah good to know

[orchid nest]

yeah pretty good

[raven eagle]

So what is the best weapons for Psyker? Im below level 10

[devout crater]

hmm it upgraded to this, which perk should I keep 20% infested or 20% unarmoured?

[orchid nest]

poxwalkers are sturdier than groaners so keep infested

[manic needle]

Now for the upgrade to Orange to see how much Hadron likes you

[summer prairie]

no point going orange

[devout crater]

will reroll unarmoured for crit% first, need more plasteel >.<

[summer prairie]

none of the available blessings would do anything, maybe focused channeling

[orchid nest]

yeah the blessings are kind of just.. I mean. warp nexus is alright but even it does less than you would think after what syllogism found

still the best one but yeah they need to fix that

[wanton cove]

Ooooh nice staff

[normal matrix]

which staff do you guys like to use? fire or lightning?

[cloud heron]

I prefer fire but a zealot with a flamer will eat your lunch if they want to

[manic needle]

Currently using Voidstrike

[deft trench]

So i'm currently trying out the surge again after not having used it for ages, does anyone know what charging it actually does?
does it spread more or do more dmg, or both? hard to tell in game or meatgrinder

[cloud heron]

just more damage I think

[stray pond]

It does more damage

[deft trench]

Gotcha, tyty

[magic hull]

probably unarmoured, horde clearing.

[orchid nest]

they are both ok but horde clearing is basically poxwalkers or groaners and groaners already die pretty fast

unarmored gets you like dreg bruisers too I guess but they are usually small groups

[cloud heron]

purge staff can kill a mixed horde just fine

you arent just killing unarmored, you're killing maulers and ragers that are in there too

[orchid nest]

yeah it was about which perk to roll off on their staff. my choice would be keeping infested for the sturdier poxwalkers but unarmored is fine too for mixed in dregs and groaners.

[cloud heron]

and one poxwalker may die fast, but you wont do very well against 50 of them with a surge staff

[sturdy meadow]

surge is anti flak

and fires through walls, even if you're the one hiding behind one

also stuns big things

mutants and ogryns

for everything else, I cast Axe

[placid sorrel]

https://tenor.com/view/dungeon-master-dungeons-and-dragons-jerk-magic-missile-gif-10215976

void staff best staff

[cloud heron]

legit dont understand what people with void staves do all game

mediocre horde clear, mediocre elite killing

[sturdy meadow]

what?

[placid sorrel]

skill issue

[valid lake]

all we do is quell

finally after 9000 hours i have a deflector FS

[sturdy meadow]

voidstrike: Crack crack crack crack crack POW blood and guts everywhere

only reason I use it really.

emperor gave me this voidstrike, i have yet to find a better stat/perk distri

[cloud heron]

as far as I can tell, it's niche is a horde that's running at you in a narrow line

[sturdy meadow]

it's a pretty large fireball

[atomic dagger]

Thanks daddy Emperor for this gift but can I haz a psyker staff please?
Pistols and rifles clock up my storage at this point :X

[atomic dagger]

🥳

[stray pond]

Surge staff definitely melts Flak enemies, like really fast but it feels like it struggles a lot on everything else

[sturdy meadow]

i use it to open bulwark shields, stun mutants, interrupt crushers

then mk v axe w/ brutal momentum spamming push/slash for crowd control

[stray pond]

My most frequent use of the Surge staff is telling Poxhounds to fuck off

[sturdy meadow]

oh yeah pox hounds too

[atomic dagger]

Its not about the dmg you see ... it is about cosplaying Palpatine

[orchid venture]

hey for Pick n' Mix, does it need to be like, 5 different types of elites and specials, or just 5 individual ones?

[stray pond]

Y'know, that does make it more valid

[sturdy meadow]

no any 5 individuals

[orchid venture]

oh huh... Ogryns dont count I guess?

[cloud heron]

Recommend the throneside map with the espionage objective for it

[stray pond]

Ogryns do count but a horde of gunners is your best bet

[sturdy meadow]

ogryns should be elites

[cloud heron]

the bit where you're hacking before the elevator spawns a lot of gunners that you can 1 shot

or the finale spawns a lot of shotgunners

[stray pond]

This Surge staff would make me so much happier if I could replace Run 'n' Gun

[long wharf]

Surge also works great against mutants

[orchid venture]

well, i thought I got it last mission, but it says I got 4/5

[sturdy meadow]

Soon(tm)

i got focused channeling on mine

it's fantastic

[stray pond]

I don't even know what I'd replace Run 'n' Gun with, but anything else honestly

[cloud heron]

also if you aren't already, kinetic barrage obviously helps a lot

[long wharf]

By the end of December, I hear

[stray pond]

2023 of course

[orchid venture]

which was like, a crusher, a dog, a gunner, a rager, and a flamer, but I guess one of them either didn't die to me, or something

[stray pond]

I'm also looking forward to combining blessings

[atomic dagger]

what does it do? please dont say combining blessings

[orchid venture]

combining blessings specifically means deconstructing weapons to get the blessings, and combining 3 of them to create a higher tiered one

[stray pond]

I hate to say it, but I think it means combining blessings

[sturdy meadow]

upgrade blessings

i think

3x of the same type/tier will upgrade

gacha lite

[long wharf]

Pick n mix is elites only, which is all the named enemies that don't have an audio cue when they spawn to warn you of them

Also, you can do it on malice

[stray pond]

Ah yeah flamers are specialists aren't they?

[cloud heron]

Do we know if it's 3 random of the same tier that create a higher tier random or 3 of the same that create a higher tier of the same?

[orchid venture]

??? no? While on Heresy Threat or higher, use Brain Burst to kill 5 different Elite or Specialist enemies within 12s

[long wharf]

Yep, as are dogs, mutants, trappers

I could swear there was a dev response on the forums confirming pick n mix is elites only

[stray pond]

Wait. I was in a Heresy game earlier and killed 7 Gunners in like 8 seconds but I didn't get the fuckin' penance.

I just realized I didn't have it

[cloud heron]

No way you killed 7 gunners with BB in 8 seconds

[long wharf]

Yeah

[sturdy meadow]

in a game now will link later

[orchid nest]

I can confirm I did it on malice on like december 6th although I wasn't aware the bug was still in for that. figured they would have fixed it by now

[long wharf]

Physically impossible

[stray pond]

Might've been 5-6 but it was definitely enough for the penance especially with Kinetic Barrage

[orchid venture]

like, the most I can get with brain burst, if I'm Really lucky, is 6

[cloud heron]

Seriously, the throneside map with the espionage objective will tee you up perfectly for pick n mix

[long wharf]

I'll dig through code later to see if I can find penance stuff

[stray pond]

Staves count as Force weapons right?

[cyan notch]

i got mine with gunners and a bomber

[orchid venture]

I'd assume they count, yeah

[cyan notch]

100% not elites only

dont listen to him

[stray pond]

It does say Elite or Specialist

[cloud heron]

elites and specialists being different things is so unintuitive

[mighty pike]

Is this true? If this is somehow true then that is very interesting but I would assume Force only counts as weapons with the prefix xforcr"

[stray pond]

I don't know that's why I'm asking

Ah I'm actually just stupid

Says right there on the staff

[cyan notch]

yes they are force weapons

[long wharf]

And yet BB counts as a non-warp attack for lacerate

You literally can't trust the text in Darktide

[orchid venture]

the way I see it, Elites are essentially upgraded regular enemies, that run at you n hit you, or generally just behave like a regular enemy
Specialists are enemies that usually have a callout when they spawn, and follow their own ruleset rather than a regular enemies ruleset, i.e. they run away from you rather than towards you

[long wharf]

Dogs and mutants definitely run towards you

Movement isn't a defining separator

[orchid venture]

yeah but if they miss, they run away, and try again

well, except muties, those keep running

[long wharf]

Mutants never run away. They can retarget, though

[orchid venture]

but they have a callout in the form of screaming at the top of their lungs

[long wharf]

Yep, it's the audio cues announcing them that's the common factor

[orchid venture]

yet snipers dont have a callout most times

[cyan notch]

one time there was a triple mutant spawn and we got into those rooms where u had to press a button and no one pressed it so they were yelling for some time

[mighty pike]

I've seen it said Elites Vs Specialists are grouped by their natural occurrence vs. their spawning in through doors

[long wharf]

Snipers don't have a callout at all. Players announce them

[orchid venture]

they SHOULD have a callout, but they dont, unless a teammate shouts it out, which is like a 50/50

[orchid shadow]

I think I read somewhere that one type roams the map, and the other always spawns. I think elites are the ones that roam?

[long wharf]

You can see elites spawn behind doors in groups

[cyan notch]

specialists are instantly aggroed on you all the time

elites do their own thing until they get aggroed

[long wharf]

Also true

[orchid shadow]

Ah, that makes sense

[orchid venture]

unless the elite spawns during an event, then everything is automatically aggroed at you

Ouuuugh..... i scream like an injured beast. shop just gave me a purge staff that has above 70% on Every stat EXCEPT quell speed

41% quell speed is pretty bobo... but everything else is so good...

[sturdy meadow]

you only need to quell to 80ish% to get good use out of the staff each firing

[sturdy meadow]

https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/1361210/view/3485252139459350311

here's what we know, if FS is to be believed

you upgrade blessings 1 tier, by using 3 of a lower tier

OR you randomly reroll using a blessing's token, with its tier deciding the reroll's max tier

[orchid venture]

I'm still gonna get that staff, it was just so close to being an S tier purg staff if it just rolled a higher modifier score

I'll still get it though, it's better than my other one

[sturdy meadow]

that's a good staff. warp resist and quell are roughly interchangeable IMO. you cast more often before quelling, or quell faster between casts

but for purg resistance is nice since you build perils constantly

surge would benefit from quell a little better since you're spamming

[gleaming belfry]

we will only be able to replace one blessing most likely. thank you fatshark in advance

[sturdy meadow]

cast quell cast quell

[orchid venture]

I just like having high quelling speed for Quietude

[sturdy meadow]

T_T huffs copium hard

[orchid shadow]

I have the same type of problem right now Pivotbash, but in my case, everything is above 70 except the Cloud Radius, at 42%

[long wharf]

I don't think FartShart cares about player retention, not really

Not enough to change their shitty design choices

[sturdy meadow]

if their owner is Tencent, they will

[orchid shadow]

Aaaaand just below it another Purg staff with everything above 70 except for Quell speed at a miserable 28. 😦

[gleaming belfry]

we can trash all our decent 370+ weapons of any kind anyways as an endgame option when we have to grind 100h+ for a 400stat weapon with random stats 😉

geez, FS, what went wrong 😦

[sturdy meadow]

Money...

rather, Profits.

money, everyone needs

[gleaming belfry]

I got money too, kinda more than enough. didnt have to sacrifice (all) my morals and my good taste totally for it : P

[orchid venture]

I do really hope that the red rarity weapons aren't given as a random reward every now and then
I wana earn them, like a legendary weapon in an MMO or such

[sturdy meadow]

share some with me ;_;

[violet yoke]

Soo... i was rolling for deflect on my second bless after i got t4 slaughter... what i got was a good damn MEGA POWER SWORD!!!! this blessings are nuts....

just raw power

[mighty pike]

So how does Surge staff work? It targets 2 enemies primarily and does the most damage to those and the chain does damage afterwards at a lesser amount based on proximity?

[sturdy meadow]

targets up to 5 enemies

1st to get targeted takes the most damage i think, BUT the burst damage at the end is almost always RNG

basically charging it is worthless, you get more dps by spamming it rather than charging

[mighty pike]

When I use the second one there are two enemies highlighted with the electricity most of the time and they both seem to take the big "end of attack" damage

[summer prairie]

Spamming is definitely not more dps than full charging, at least against flak targets

[mighty pike]

Either way it doesn't seem to do a whole lot of damage

Feels like a tactical tool not a murderous one

[sturdy meadow]

but it crits a lot, so you want damage, crit. warp resist/quell are nice secondaries

charge rate, the diff between a 30 and 80% bar is like 0.3, 0.4s

[mighty pike]

Hmm

[sturdy meadow]

Surge staff quirks:

1. Huge stagger/stun, big guys like ogryns, hounds, maulers and mutants WILL get interrupted no matter what. Bulwarks will stop shielding. Mutants stop charging.
2. You can shoot through walls and cover - so I always hide behind cover and spam it to hit shooters
3. Only need 90% to quick-fire a surge so cast, quell, cast, quell

it DOES fall flat on large hordes since it only hits 5 targets max, so I cast Axe

but it CCs specialists/elites like it's a joke

this is my Axe spell. The diff between this and 80% is 13 damage, but the pen/first target/cleave stats more than make up for it

[summer prairie]

I think the charge bar is % of the damage, with full charge being 100%. Probably why it doesn't start empty even if you try to do a min charge.

[olive ember]

meh why use axe

when you have FS

[sturdy meadow]

I dislike the FS's combo. it has no CC up close, all it's good for is cosplaying an ogryn with a slab shield.

[round jay]

_infinite stagger enjoyer _

[olive ember]

how dare you

Its better than the slab shield kek

you can actually see

[sturdy meadow]

well, surge staffs mostly fire at about 40-50% charge even when spamming so...

[summer prairie]

Yes but then you have to watch the animation

[sturdy meadow]

true, I have a low-stat deflector FS that I use to cosplay movie superheroes when I play on Sedition for weeklies.

[mighty pike]

Surge staff seems to build peril fast (?)

[sturdy meadow]

the one I use I can fire about 5 times or so

remember you won't explode UNTIL you cast AT 100%

so you can still cast at 90%

[round jay]

not really, you never charge it. You just spam your m2

[round jay]

Yep even at 98

[summer prairie]

2 min-charge surges take around 3s for me and a full charge is 2 seconds for more damage. If you need the stun you should spam it, if you have time probably not

[mighty pike]

But that feels very weak 🤔

[sturdy meadow]

the damage burst of surge is so RNG it doesn't matter I think, unless like you said, you're zapping Flaks

it could be 20, it could be 120

[round jay]

You charge it full against few group. Against horde you spam it for the stun part

[round jay]

It’s not a dps staff for sure

[summer prairie]

Ok I timed it a bit wrong, more like 2.5s for min charges if I don't account for the last animation

[round jay]

At least it one shot most shooter

[long wharf]

There's a hidden non-damaging dot effect with surge, I think

[round jay]

wdym?

[long wharf]

You get the surge dot when stunning, a small bit of damage when surge stops, and then there's a pop of damage if the enemy has taken enough surge damage within a period of time

You can see this in the meat grinder

[round jay]

A kind of damage over time?

[sturdy meadow]

a stacking debuff you mean

[long wharf]

It's neither a dot nor a debuff, because there's no indication of it until you get the pop

[sturdy meadow]

most debuffs don't appear...

on enemies i mean

[long wharf]

The surge-damage-taken limit is different for different enemies, and the pop itself only happens on primary targets, of which there can only be two at a time

I wouldn't call it a debuff though, as that implies an increase in damage or behavior somewhere else

it's because of the pop that surge kills scab gunners, ragers, and maulers so easily

[sturdy meadow]

sounds excessively complicated...

but i'll test some ideas i have

[summer prairie]

I just see a random damage range but not sure about anything more complex

[round jay]

What do you call a "pop"?

[long wharf]

the big damage that can happen at the end of a surge blast on primary targets when they've taken enough surge dot damage

it comes with an audio cue

[sturdy meadow]

the pop occurs at the end of every surge attack

[mighty pike]

Just played a game with surge and it feels like it's a weapon that requires more cohesion with your team to use properly. Would have benefitted more from a purgatus. And also maybe knife psyker is the route through Hell

Uh oh palpatine staff enjoyer is typing

[round jay]

That’s a support staff, you stun ennemies for your team to kill them/ you kill the shooters afar

[long wharf]

I love the surge staff

[mighty pike]

If only purgatus had the same mouse1 projectile as all the other staffs.

[long wharf]

it's the most tactical staff of all psyker options

[sturdy meadow]

ok, i just remembered one more use of the surge

enemies that are stunned will disrupt the horde trying to rush up behind them, it causes them to have to path AROUND the stunned enemies

[mighty pike]

Surge is the thinking psyker's staff

[long wharf]

it really is

to be a good surge staff user, you have to be paying attention to everything

teammate activity, enemy positions, enemy aggro

because optimal usage changes from moment to moment

[fast swan]

https://tenor.com/view/open-eyes-tom-sleepy-gif-14594139

Me thinking very hard while using the surge staff

[long wharf]

as opposed to void, which is shoot everything in the head, period

[fast swan]

Indeed

[long wharf]

or purge, which is flame everything, period

[fast swan]

[long wharf]

I'm most active with surge and void, as I'm constantly ducking into and out of cover

[sturdy meadow]

well i enjoy surge play the most

voidstrike for the visceral hits

purgatus.... kinda meh to me but it's powerful

just waiting for a perfect roll staff

[long wharf]

yeah, I know the purge staff works well, I just don't find it fun to use

[keen storm]

Does psyker get better at higher level? I'm 18 and it just feels like I do everything worse than the other classes (I have the others at 30), other than popping bulwarks and crushas it feels like I would be better off being someone else. Staffs feel underwhelming too

For having to monitor peril, it seems like he should be stronger

[long wharf]

psyker doesn't do anything better that the other classes can do

[sturdy meadow]

@long wharf ok, i think i understand what the surge dps is like now, and why you think it works the way it does. appears to be much simpler than you think

[fast swan]

Just waiting for the comet azure staff

[long wharf]

psyker excels at controlling engagements

[candid lava]

'ello, fellow spark'eads - got me some questions:
does Quietude replenish toughness on passive quelling (while having a melee weapon out, for instance)
is the Slaughter blessing applying on ranged weapons as well?
do Soulblaze dots activate Kinetic Flayer?

[fast swan]

And the headshot thing skinny beam staff

[keen storm]

I guess fatshark wanted to be meta and make psyker's lives hell

[sturdy meadow]

when you charge the staff, you'll notice 2 enemies have an electric field effect around them. these are the 2 primary targets the surge staff deals the most burst damage to at the end of its cast.

[long wharf]

no, because soulblaze isn't your attack

[fast swan]

All forms of quelling, from ur ult, to blessings, and passive

That’s why it’s da best

[keen storm]

I'm just trying to get psyker to 30 then I'll start hunting penances on all the classes

[candid lava]

So, what row5 feat should I be using for purge? I've been running Kinetic Overload, but it feels very meh...

Battery?

[sturdy meadow]

battery and flayer are both good for different weapons

purgatus feat setup is mostly 1-1-1-1-1-2

[mighty pike]

It really DOES feel like it's only from a manual quell though, as someone who's been keeping an eye on it to see how it does

[long wharf]

kinetic overload is only useful (notice I didn't say good) if you're running AB and purge staff

[long wharf]

I'm about 99% sure you get toughness back when ulting, as well

[sturdy meadow]

battery still better though.

[long wharf]

any reduction of peril is a quell effect

[sturdy meadow]

you do

battery + ascendant blaze + purgatus gives warp charges like crazy

[long wharf]

especially if ulting things is a regular part of your rotation

[sturdy meadow]

psykinetic's wrath, or inner tranq with quietitude

[candid lava]

Alright, thanks pals.

[fast swan]

Can they make warp charges give like 5% damage or something so you can actually feel it?

[long wharf]

it'd be nice

[sturdy meadow]

lol just saw this on the FS crafting blog:
Refine Item

To refine your weapon and curios, Hadron takes your item and attempts to scour away the corrosion and damage of its long use, uncovering its true nature and altering its strengths. In game, these strengths take the form of the item’s Perks. Accordingly, each time you Refine an item, one Perk is discarded in favour of another, random Perk uncovered by Hadron’s repairs. Multiple refinements on the same item attract increasing costs - the deeper a weapon’s true character lies, the harder it is to reach it.

it went the opposite direction...

[next pine]

It's my walking stick, rolled from a white.

[fast swan]

I also wish Kinetic Flayers cooldown was reset when you use ult, so it had synergy with quicken or cooldown on elite kill feat

[long wharf]

yeah, that's why I'm not believing anything anybody says about what blessing crap will be like until it releases and we see for ourselves

[long wharf]

that's not a bad idea

[lapis bay]

So is the % damage indicative of just it's base damage? Because then these two percentages don't make sense to the presented numbers-- unless there's something I'm missing?

[mighty pike]

Ok Staffs apparently DO count as force weapons for the purposes of Psykinetics Wrath feat, according to psykanium

[long wharf]

I don't remember if I posted this yesterday, but the emperor finally actually gifted me something worthwhile

damage% is how much above base damage the weapon does

first target actually affects all attacks

[lapis bay]

Love you guys thnks

[dense vault]

i want one of those axes with brutal momentum and power 4% per hit up to 10 stacks pls

[silent crane]

you what

two

[lapis bay]

here mate

[silent crane]

not one but 2

[dense vault]

i got one which has the dmg buff on repeat hits

[long wharf]

if you push attack a horde, you're not going to see Decimator work there

blocking resets attack chains

[dense vault]

what is blocking?

seems heretical

[lapis bay]

Does it? That makes so much sense

[dense vault]

if you´re blocking you´re not smiting enemies for the emperor

[long wharf]

oh my poor, sweet summer child

if you aren't push attacking the horde with the Mk V Combat Axe, then you aren't killing at your full potential

[lapis bay]

no I meant that blocking resets the chain

That's a learning moment right there

[magic burrow]

that's a nice weapon, but Im just laughing in warp at how fatshark believes "+1 stamina (weapon is active)" is a tier 4 perk

[long wharf]

I know, I was talking to Old'Un

[long wharf]

it's also a tier 3 perk

[silent crane]

thats quite common

like

[long wharf]

it's stupid

[silent crane]

if you want a specific] attack

out of your attack chain

you do your chain untill you get it and you block and do it again

theres also heavy light mix to get always cleaving or always strike down

[long wharf]

with the mk v caxe, repeated push attacking means you're either hitting the enemy, or they're hitting your block

and since you block with peril, it's effectively the safest and highest dps way to kill the horde

[silent crane]

or push attack in to light to get the 3rd attack in the atttack chain

[long wharf]

because its push attack is the perfect head level cleave swing

[austere estuary]

What’s even weirder is the perks of +1 stamina that are t3 AND t4

Presumably t4 added more at some point

And then they nerfed it

[silent crane]

tbh im waiting for t5

[long wharf]

it'll still be +1 stamina

[silent crane]

we shell see

its prob gonna take forever tho

they need to make the actual crafting system 1st

[near wyvern]

2024 gonna be a good year when we finally have Darkitde out of early access

[mighty pike]

I've seen so much rage and bitterness now I never want anyone to mention the state of the game ever again

[silent crane]

it will come up in convocations every now and then

[sturdy meadow]

this is my preferred method of casting Axe, yes.

and it's a horizontal swing, so it can hit a lot of heads

add Brutal Momentum for ultimate horde clear

my preferred method is zap with surge, rush in with one heavy axe overhead on maulers and ogryns

then back off and surge again

and hordes = block/swing until horde dead

[long wharf]

yep, that's exactly how I deal with ogryns

surge, cancel anim by switching to caxe as I charge

whack, dodge backwards, repeat

[teal kite]

thats when u switch to force sword for dat 15% damage boost

which one do I upgrade

[sturdy meadow]

right

by a country mile

[violet yoke]

BM is a must IMO

make axe 100% more fun

[long wharf]

second (right), definitely

[sturdy meadow]

ugh 70 more diamantine to upgrade my axe to orange

[hexed valley]

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[teal kite]

dang keyboard

[flint plover]

If you're the psyker who decided to come in on hi-intensity heresy with a force sword and shredder pistol, i hope you stub your toe

[mighty pike]

So it seems a little like even with allt he warp charge generation feats, you mostly get them when there's a horde, and lose them pretty quick after

[long wharf]

yep, losing all warp charges at once is painful

[rigid blade]

I noticed that as well, wish there was a way to keep it up without BB, I swear that move is glitchier than it should be.

[long wharf]

warp charges should either roll off one by one (individual timers), or not roll off at all

let them be a resource we manage

[mighty pike]

why then would warp battery be useful

[ornate hamlet]

The warp battery + ascendant blaze I find is good in situations where there's a continuous stream of enemies considering the warp generation is based on soul blaze application which works with the purg. However on large open maps where the enemies are more spread out it's not as useful

[sturdy meadow]

6 stacks of warp charge with ascendant = a lot more soulblaze damage than 4 stacks

add to purgatus and you get warp charges back real fast

[ornate hamlet]

Also soulblaze damage increases exponentially

[sturdy meadow]

but as Cpt Hook says, they fall flat in large open areas

[long wharf]

it's not exponential

[sturdy meadow]

i wish it was exponential, i want to do 1000 burn per second

[long wharf]

it's not linear, exponential, logarithmic, geometrical, or any actual curve

[magic burrow]

6 warp charge ult kills a horde on damnation.

[sturdy meadow]

ooh ooh

[long wharf]

it's a set value per stack, and the damage only ramps up quickly at the low end

[sturdy meadow]

what will mommy hadron give me?

[long wharf]

and it does that because the starting damage is so damn low

[sturdy meadow]

utter shite? complete shite? mostly shite?

[ornate hamlet]

Do you have a chart showing the damage per soulblaze? That'd be interesting to see

[sturdy meadow]

total shite it is!

[long wharf]

womp womp

still usable though

[mighty pike]

I don't trust that lady

[sturdy meadow]

considering i use it with push/slash i get a total of 0% power scaling

[long wharf]

I wrote it down a while back, didn't keep it around

[sturdy meadow]

it's fine, i have a cleaver with 0 usable blessings on my ogryn but it still clears heresy ok

[long wharf]

something like 2,5,12,25,50,75,90,etc

it's easy to test for yourself in the meat grinder

[sturdy meadow]

i believe with 14 + 6 stacks of soulblaze, you can hit around 200+ damage per tick

[long wharf]

and some enemies are more resistant to soulblaze than others

meanwhile, burn dots do waaaaay more and ramp up way more quickly

[mighty pike]

So warp battery > kinetic overload? You get more out of having more Warp Stacks than having more soulblaze on the board? Also wow an extra 2 stacks is +6% damage. How dull

[sturdy meadow]

we don't have a choice sadly.

[mighty pike]

If Sefoni did the weapons stuff it would be nicer to us

[sturdy meadow]

LOL I just tested it in the psykanium. the damage difference between 0 stamina and whatever my stamina is when I finish charging a heavy attack is 10 on a Crusher headshot

23 on a reaper

[long wharf]

does stamina affect melee damage?

[sturdy meadow]

the blessing

All or Nothing

[long wharf]

oh, right, yeah the blessing is absolute trash

[sturdy meadow]

the useless blessing on my axe

[mighty pike]

Ohhh Fatshark give us a balance patch please

[sturdy meadow]

reblessings cannot come soon enough. i hope, a consumer-friendly version.

[summer prairie]

it's free +4% power on your staff at least

[long wharf]

my biggest fear right now is that reblessing will randomly replace a blessing on the weapon

[sturdy meadow]

i like this result

[long wharf]

instead of letting you pick which blessing to remove

[sturdy meadow]

oh? does the blessing on my axe affect staves?

[summer prairie]

and BB

[sturdy meadow]

huh, that's actually not bad if it affects ALL my attacks

[summer prairie]

I'm sure that's not intended though

[sturdy meadow]

true

but for now it's not completely useless

[mighty pike]

I actually literally do no know how Hadron works I have 70 hours and I've never used her

[sturdy meadow]

nobody knows how she works. you put your hours of hard-earned crafting materials in, and she literally poops out crap

sometimes she lays a golden egg, but I'm sure that's just a glitch in her augmentics

[mighty pike]

She does it on purpose

[long wharf]

she's been alive for 347 years... she has to get her kicks somehow

[mighty pike]

Also: why bother spending any of my grinded resources on a weapon that's at max like 320 power on the stats. I don't have anything better

[sturdy meadow]

use the armoury exchange browser plugin

it now comes with filters for base item rating, blessings, etc.

i can now focus on playing the damn game

now I have to figure out what I wanna reroll the corruption resistance into

[mighty pike]

But then I have to spend my time not playing the damn game catching up on the damn game. I don't want to need to put this much effort into it

[sturdy meadow]

combat skill cooldown or block efficiency

[mighty pike]

Combat skill

[sturdy meadow]

it's fine, don't worry then. game's perfectly playable without minmaxing

[mighty pike]

Fatshark are trying to drag me into the imperium war machine. im not interested

all i want to do is psyk

[sturdy meadow]

lel i'm playing psyk to take a break from ogryn and zealot

[long wharf]

hell, I use the armory exchange site while playing, to know whether or not it's worthwhile changing characters

[sturdy meadow]

yes, that too

[fossil lagoon]

what are good perks for flame staff -- got +4% crit & 10% crit damage atm

[sturdy meadow]

oh while you're here, what should I reroll grimoire corruption resistance into? (i have gunner resist and HP on the curio)

[sturdy meadow]

if it was me, I'd double down on unarmoured and infested just so hordes melt faster but that's just my non-meta monkey brain

[long wharf]

I'm a fan of sniper resist

if you like to block stuff, block efficiency works

[sturdy meadow]

ah, a man of culture. my ogryn runs 55% sniper and gunner resists xD

[long wharf]

yep, I like sniper and gunner resists

[sturdy meadow]

hm... i do have 12% block efficiency on one curio

[long wharf]

I have +12% block efficiency on all curios

[sturdy meadow]

i'm debating between block and combat skill cooldown

but 4% combat skill cooldown seems... miniscule

sadly one of my curios has a locked in poxhound resist. 😦

maybe if i find a curio with better rolls in the future

[coral yacht]

Yeah you show them dogs

Who's boss

[sturdy meadow]

i'm not grinding 500 diamantine for another curio. oTL

it's the worst part of playing this game

[coral yacht]

Was joke. I know the pain. Got a mutant resist on a nice curio

[sturdy meadow]

i guess poxhound resist will keep me alive a tiny bit longer if i'm pounced when squad's far

oh shoot i forgot to check my emprah's gift curio

[elfin crystal]

if you get 4% cooldown on each, that's still 12%. not a bad deal tbh

[sturdy meadow]

i don't have that kind of luck lel

[mighty pike]

If Sefoni could cook what would she make

[sturdy meadow]

um.... Pina Coladas

[long wharf]

I think curio upgrades should be cheaper

especially since we can only reroll one perk out of three

[long wharf]

you don't cook pina coladas

you make them

[mighty pike]

Does she like Pina coladas

[long wharf]

no chemical changes happen through the application of heat, ergo no cooking

[mighty pike]

Is cooking innately exothermic. Is making ice cream cooking

[long wharf]

you definitely don't cook ice cream

you make it, though

[mighty pike]

Heat is a critical component then. I guess she can't cook

Bummer

[austere estuary]

12% though, and then paired with any additional reduction

all adds up

I actually wonder if using turbo brain burst + elite kill cd + curio cd might mean almost endless BB so long as there are gunners etc on the scene

if you take 6 warp charges and get 5% power on melee wep through all or nothing, that even lets you two shot bulwarks on damnation

[mighty pike]

Is all or nothing the one that gives between +5 and +15% damage on Force weapons dependent on peril?

[craggy willow]

Does deep-frying ice cream sandwiches count?

[mighty pike]

Not sure I feel comfortable with that possibility

[warped perch]

Is it against the law to not like ice cream

[flint plover]

i scream, you scream, we all scream, for ice cream... because we must, under penalty of death

[warped perch]

Who says under penalty of death

[flint plover]

me

[warped perch]

What authority do you have 😤

[idle bay]

Finally got that Omnissia trinket and Portrait frame 🙂

[alpine portal]

intresting story about this law, it was made in 1895 when Grover Cleveland brough he son to work, and congress and Senet though he was so cute they let him pass any law he wanted. the Ice cream appreciation act of 1895 remains the only bill to get all yea votes from both house and Senet.

[warped perch]

What

[warped perch]

Congrats

[flint plover]

With this guy's: @flint plover

[alpine portal]

im being really stupid and trying to be funny

[robust meteor]

now you can quit the game until its good

[warped perch]

Did you just ping yourself

[craggy willow]

Shit. I was excited to look that up. :/

[warped perch]

I like the game otherwise I wouldn't play it

[flint plover]

https://tenor.com/view/puppet-awkward-looking-what-side-eye-gif-15476992

[warped perch]

I thought you were serious for a minute

[alpine portal]

some one needs to make an arg about an alternate reality on this simple story and how it effected the new universe...

[alpine portal]

ive been told my humor is dryer then Champaign.

[warped perch]

Imagine of of the tenants of imperium law is to like ice cream

Otherwise you're a heretic

[warped perch]

I like champagne

[craggy willow]

Sounds like an episode of that Big-E text-to-speech series

[alpine portal]

more likey if you like ice cream your the worst kind of ab human, even more so if you can digest it

[alpine portal]

?????

[craggy willow]

Don't think too hard about it. I didn't when I said it. I just woke up.

[alpine portal]

to be fair, I havent woken up yet in 4 hours....

[mighty pike]

Against the Lex

[robust meteor]

just woke up too. cat slept with me for 9 hours. it was nice

[silver osprey]

hows this?

[mighty pike]

You've mentioned a cat now you have to show us the cat. That's the tax

[alpine portal]

well looks like my next 30 min is gonna be taken up by this...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qi3Evua2Cs

[long wharf]

definitely not cooking 🙂
but I imagine delicious just the same

[craggy willow]

As is the American way. "That don't look right, but I bet it's delicious."

[mighty pike]

Thanks

[silver osprey]

related?

[mighty pike]

Lots of tabbies

[robust meteor]

The loner

[mighty pike]

I see you fall victim to this server's image attaching lag too

[robust meteor]

my phone doesn't like to upload to discord

[mighty pike]

Glad it's not just me

[robust meteor]

it happens to me in other servers too but might be the same problem? idk

[craggy willow]

Aww shit. Is it baby hours?

[mighty pike]

Yeahhh. Calicos

[craggy willow]

Awfully uninspired name, but Callie is a babe. The one with the murder-eyes is Fish.

[elfin roost]

Total of ~2600 calories and 1600 g protein

[mighty pike]

#ogryn-class

Demonn! Begone

[elfin roost]

Just sayin

Cats are a really good source of food for bulking

[fluid knot]

No.

[mighty pike]

Picking the fur out your teeth is a pain I bet

[craggy willow]

Calories are another means to an end. You won't catch me judging anybody's eating habits, I've got no room to.

[elfin roost]

Ok? Literally just dont eat the entirety of the second cat?

[craggy willow]

?

[elfin roost]

Still getting a lot of protein 💪

[craggy willow]

Oh, lol. I get it.

[mighty pike]

Deep fried ice cream sandwich and cat. All a growing psyker needs

Fuel for their incomparable minds

[craggy willow]

Can't be any worse than what's in the Starch.

[elfin roost]

Well hey vegans like taking comparisons to make us feel guilty for eating cows by using cats as their comparison

So might as well eat cats to show em

[idle bay]

Freddy aka 'Hellspawn' (when misbehaves)

[mighty pike]

Awwww

Pure black

[idle bay]

With black moustaches

[elfin roost]

This one would also be a good source of nutrition, nice choice

[idle bay]

Nah he is too skinny

[elfin roost]

He lacks fat

He's a superfood

Tons of protein, amazing amount of calories, not much fat

[mighty pike]

Rate mine

[craggy willow]

Have any x-rays of your latest cats, or have you passed them already?

[craggy willow]

zoom/10

[mighty pike]

She lacks acceleration but the body weight creates extra momentum

[craggy willow]

Just needs that initial oomph, like a good underhand toss.

[mighty pike]

She's like a truck going downhill

This one?

[craggy willow]

That one is definitely only good for eating.

[mighty pike]

Nooo

[true lake]

Cat

[olive cairn]

Psykers, can two or three brain bursts target the same enemy simultaneously?

[mighty pike]

Yes indeed

When you get multiple psykers all at once sometimes you hivemind and you find yourself competing to brainburst the same enemy

[proud mantle]

bruh moment

[olive cairn]

So one crusher can go down on one visible bb if timed right

[runic gate]

Buy it now

[true lake]

3 psykers vs that 1 vet who keeps shooting our brain burst targets

[runic gate]

The gun Psyker

[olive cairn]

I apologize for all past and future transgressions when I'm in this squad

[mighty pike]

Gunpsyker becoming some b-movie tier horror villain

[true lake]

I don't think I have ever seen someone be a gun psyker unironically except if they haven't unlocked staves yet

[mighty pike]

I do it occasionally just to mix it up

But I just feel... like any other class but worse

[true lake]

People like "oh boy a level 30 psyker, we are saved!"

Then you slowly pull out a stub revolver

[olive cairn]

Slow stub draw is heresy

[elfin roost]

Currently in the process of growing a few

[mighty pike]

Small morsels. Good cutting meals

[true lake]

Make sure you water them and give them plenty of sunlight

[olive cairn]

Do not feed after midnight

[hazy locust]

😢

[acoustic mountain]

why pyroblast so bad

[mighty pike]

Can only imagine you use it by swinging it around like a baseball bat

[hazy locust]

https://tenor.com/view/swinging-person-weapon-gif-6077615

[true lake]

Finesse 21, damn are you holding it by the other end or something

[hazy locust]

prolly gonna get run n gun

[sonic aspen]

I mean wasn't that a legitimate strategy used by swordsman back then I don't remember the reason though

[craggy willow]

Sometimes bashing armor was easier than poking at chinks. Some swords had the blade dulled in spots so it could be gripped that way, yeah.

Mostly helmets. Concussions suck, from what I hear.

[lapis bay]

Yup, plate armor is notoriously hard to slash and the pommel is often made of solid steel— easier to concuss through helmets with a murder grip

[acoustic mountain]

just hit with the crossguard

or half sword with a gauntlet

[idle shuttle]

gun psyker is meta

[fast swan]

which is pretty sad

[mighty pike]

Is it though. Actually, unironically

[idle shuttle]

hell no

[fast swan]

i am hoping one day we get a force poleaxe, where lights are the blade with great cleave, heavies make us flip the weapon for vertical armor crushing blows, and the special juices it up with warp power and enhances the cleave + damage of the light or the impact + damage of the heavy

[idle shuttle]

force halberd

[fast swan]

halberd known for poking more than the hammer on the other end, which id like

[idle shuttle]

i just noticed theres a hammer there

wao

[fast swan]

yea the halberd in VT2 was amazing and its heavies were stabs that did hella damage

[true lake]

Chivalry medieval warfare but in the year 40000

[fast swan]

mordhau polehammer for ogryn would be so sweet

[idle shuttle]

vt2 halberd was longest range melee

20footpole

[fast swan]

psyker could use a long range melee option

[mighty pike]

Force bow

[fast swan]

force spear

[mighty pike]

Force WHIP

[true lake]

Why don't we just go all in and make a force nuke

[fast swan]

hmmm

[idle shuttle]

force flail and shield

[fast swan]

thats what going over 100% peril does

[true lake]

No that's force suicide bomber

[fast swan]

force whip sounds funny but ive never seen a whip in a first person melee game

really hard to make work proabbly

[true lake]

We need to take tertium and push it somewhere else

[mighty pike]

What we need are warp extensions of our body. Like in dishonoured

[idle shuttle]

warp... penis?

[balmy dove]

HES ANYONE GOTTEN THE LIGHTNIONG STAF TO WORK ON HIGH DIFFICULTIOES

caps

[true lake]

Lightning staff is more of a support staff than straight damage

Really good at stunning elites and specials

[mental rock]

I clear damnations reliably with surge

[true lake]

Out of all the staves I think surge is the least effective for crowd control but it does its niche well

[frigid marten]

surge deal a lot of damage to armored target.

[orchid venture]

Lightning staff is really great for one specific situation, besides being a top tier support weapon. Yknow when there's ranged guys just kinda scattered all over an open area, and when you go deal with 2 behind cover, the other 6 take potshots at you? Surge is awesome at cleaning that up

[true lake]

That situation too yeah, granted on high difficulty your teammate will likely have a cover penetration weapon

[orchid venture]

Hopefully. Surge just lets you negate alot of unnecessary damage by locking down higher damage targets like ragers and such

[balmy dove]

oh ok. it sounds good but ill just stick to purgatoerus build for more

[mighty pike]

Purgatus is simpler to use and more reliable

[elfin crystal]

anyone reached life leech 5?

[true lake]

Which penance was that again

[elfin crystal]

the missions with psyker

[true lake]

Ah then not quite yet

[elfin crystal]

rip. was wondering if it gave something

[true lake]

Been trying to level up all my characters

[warped kernel]

I dunno, surge is great for stunning and keeping mutants locked down as well. which is very helpful at heresy/damnation, especially with randoms

[elfin crystal]

totally fair

[warped kernel]

same with dogs

[true lake]

Been playing as my ogryn named Mike Tyson

[earnest peak]

completed 4, workign on 5. No reward

[stray pond]

Is this worth making orange

[true lake]

That purgatus is pretty good yeah

Warp nexus isn't the most helpful but not the worst blessing

[balmy dove]

do you need a high damage roll on purgatorus? Or is it exclusively onlty about the burn

[true lake]

Mainly the burn you care about

Burn cloud radius and decent warp resist

The rest don't matter too much because the damage only applies to initial tick

[orchid venture]

Problem is that i do encounter more matches than not where there's like, a purge psyker, flamer zealot, surge psyker, and a rumbler ogryn, where our only effective long range weapon is brain burst and... It's just not that effective

I've started taking a vraks headhunter on my zealot because of it

[mighty pike]

And what is there to do about it. Not much really. We kinda stuck

[true lake]

Yeah, but at least snipers aren't an issue with psykers lol

[stray pond]

I've been trying to roll a decent staff of each type except Trauma because I don't care about Ragdoll the staff

[true lake]

Trauma is fun but voidstrike just feels like a straight upgrade

[stray pond]

Yeah kinda

This is my main staff because I've been too lazy to farm enough Plasteel to upgrade another Voidstrike

A great case of overwhelmingly mid

[true lake]

Not bad

[mighty pike]

It's definitely alright that's for sure

Nice

[orchid venture]

Transfer peril is great against hoards

[stray pond]

For a 321 base it's pretty great I can say that at least

Hm. Does Sustained Fire work on the Voidstrike staff's secondary attack?

Or is it just the primary

[true lake]

It should work on any staff attack I think

Unless it says otherwise

[stray pond]

I'm just not sure what it means by "In a Salvo"

[true lake]

Salvo basically means, well, sustained shots

[stray pond]

I guess I'll have to test it to know for sure

[true lake]

Think like an autogun and each shot it does as you hold the trigger

Idk if it procs for a semi auto weapon like a staff

Never really tried it

[stray pond]

It could either be unironically nice, or it might not even work at all

[true lake]

If it's the latter they should probably remove it from the blessing pool

[stray pond]

To the meat grinder I go

[mighty pike]

If they gave classes a third slot where we can take something like a useful item or a small weapon as a class we could take a pistol it some kind as well as our big staff

[stray pond]

It does not in fact work on a staff's secondary attack

It is a dead blessing

[ornate hamlet]

https://discord.gg/7JQwweKw

[hazy locust]

im gonna train one of those pox hounds and call him Dartanion

[mighty pike]

Deader than the emperor

[fresh reef]

Heretical speech

[wet raven]

to the blackship with this freak!

[mighty pike]

https://tenor.com/view/you-got-me-laughing-le-caught-meme-twitter-gif-23985502

Damn me to hell

To Terra with me

[compact cargo]

https://streamable.com/zebixu

This...is a thing

Bit useless since the damagei s bad

prob better with a macro

[tender terrace]

bro activate your windows

[compact cargo]

I reject the chaos god of windows

[tender terrace]

also you could have deleted all of those 2x over in that timeframe

[true lake]

It will eventually activate itself

[compact cargo]

Ye but it-s funny useless tech

[mighty pike]

Like a bomb?

[true lake]

Yes

A very slow bomb that goes off in a few years because you need a new computer

[clear heath]

Can also quell cancel left click
Kind of a pain tho

If you want, sure. I don't think it's really necessary though

[alpine portal]

half shieds and half health, one box walker insta downed me what the fuck does psyker just take more damage

[true lake]

You don't really need too much block efficiency for a deflector sword

[alpine portal]

or am i lagging so bad I dont even see the hits

just block, you probbly dont need stam

[clear heath]

stamina is more effective than block eff below 5 bars of stam

stamina increases peril block efficiency

[alpine portal]

oh?

[clear heath]

Here's some of the testing that was done here @alpine portal

[mighty pike]

Past malice it feels like world war one without the trenches

[alpine portal]

all the good testing happnes when im not online 🙂

[fluid frigate]

So prob been asked multiple times, Xbox release date?

[alpine portal]

around the time the game takes place lore wise

[clear heath]

At the end of all that testing, this is the conclusion I went with

[mighty pike]

Same time the versus mode for vermintide 2 releases

[clear heath]

So if you have less than 5 bars of stamina, go with +1 stam instead of 20% block eff

[mighty pike]

I regret my slightly-taller-than-average psyker is too tall to successfully hide behind most of the cover in-game

[blissful kestrel]

Ask the Ogryn for a boost 🙂

[elfin crystal]

dam has a lot of gunners yeah

i just run suppress on purga with a fs with deflector

[mighty pike]

checking the darktide shop extension and its all lasguns..

[orchid venture]

Hmm... having trouble getting these last few achievements

[ornate hamlet]

Same lmao

I wanted to make a new psyker but the low level grind is such ass without having any staves or a good FS