psyker-class

[silver pagoda]

it says "melee" chance so idk

[long wharf]

yeah, FartShart has definitely screwed the pooch when it comes to the text descriptions of stuff in Darktide

absolutely 0 quality control

[silver pagoda]

I feel like 1/4 of the blessings don't work as intended, and 1/3 have bad descriptions

[long wharf]

only 1/4?

seems generous

[covert valve]

I Wonder if rolling 25% unarmored would be better to 1 hit those pesky dreg shooters

[long wharf]

nope

you'd have to do 4~5x the damage to one shot them

[covert valve]

damn thats super painful

[long wharf]

your best bet would be to roll flak on surge

as it already does decentn damage to them

[silver pagoda]

surge staff is kinda bad at handling trash mobs

[long wharf]

get the most out of that

surge isn't for killing most trash

it's for controlling elites/specials

[covert valve]

yeah i got flak on mine to amp it more I should replace unarmored with crit or unyeilding?

[long wharf]

crit

you aren't doing much damage to unyielding anyways

[covert valve]

i dont use lightning much does it do much to carp? guess its only 1 enemy

[long wharf]

it does okayish damage to carapace

surge noticeably kills armored stuff

[mighty vault]

wow I can't believe force sword is bad at hordeclear, guess I better become a gunpsyker

[long wharf]

I don't hesitate to surge into groups of scabs

[covert valve]

yeah thats some good voltage

[silver pagoda]

yeah I don't hate my unyielding bonus since it applies to ogryn types and that's a fairly good target for surge, though I'd prefer bonus to flak

[long wharf]

I don't rely on surge to kill orgryns, but it does great for locking them down

if it kills them, all the better

[fast swan]

yo is da shop updating today or what?

need fresher drip

not da clown outfit

[mighty vault]

yes, it updated 10 minutes ago

quick go look

[fast swan]

no just checked dweeb

[long wharf]

if it's a lone ogryn, I'll stun and then switch to my combat axe to hack them in the head

[mighty vault]

check it again

better this time

[covert valve]

i normally just BB since the headache still trips them and keep them staggered in a way

[mighty pike]

at what ooint does the charged voidstrike do the same/more damage than the left click

[fast swan]

at what point do we outperform vet in any situation?

[silver pagoda]

at higher levels it takes like 3 BB to kill an ogryn type, I think a high surge staff might kill them faster and can hit multiple

[mighty vault]

Fun

[covert valve]

normally im in the back line too far for lightning to hit

[covert valve]

i have a high dmg/crit surge ill test it later

[undone quiver]

When the vet is out of ammo?

[fast swan]

lol!

[undone quiver]

Honestly I feel more like an ogryn than a vet

Creating space, having absurd block, etc

[mighty pike]

you all need to stop comparing yourself to veterans. its bad for your self-esteem

you are what you are

[silver pagoda]

psykers beat veterans on crowd control and survival by a pretty large margin

never seen a vet single handedly res a whole team, seen a few psykers pull it off

[elfin roost]

When the vet is out of ammo, using the worst melee weapon they have available, not having any grenades, no grenade regen, no toughness regen, and 1 wound of health 👍

At that point a psyker is better at pretty much everything rather than being just insane for crowds of enemies

[hazy locust]

and yet they still manage to headshot the mob youre trying to bb

[long wharf]

you say "survival", but I feel far more survivably on a vet than I do a psyker

even given peril blocking

[tender terrace]

things i do on pskyer that my vet (or any other class really) doesn't do:

• 1 shot dogs with force sword special
• demolish ogryns with bb/force sword special
• melt entire hallways of mobs with large blue balls
• insane clutch potential with downed enemies with KD
• pinpoint kill gunners and snipers when they have like a pixel of their head visible and are behind cover or a massive crowd of mobs
• block ranged attacks with near infinite stamina with deflector

[silver pagoda]

I have peril blocking with a deflector blaze sword and maxed block efficiency across curios, it's pretty insane survivability tbh

[mighty vault]

And +3 wounds?

[long wharf]

you say that, but you can't stand in front of a firing line of shooters on damnation with that, trust me

a vet popping their ult can

[silver pagoda]

... no it can't?

[long wharf]

lol, yes it can

I do it

[tender terrace]

not for long if there aren't elites

[long wharf]

because the vet is also killing that firing line

the psyker isn't

[summer wind]

the psyker can ult assuming it's close enough

[silver pagoda]

lol what? sorry but a lot of what you're saying is just not accurate at all

[summer wind]

and then purge staff them

[mighty vault]

bruh you take counterfire, it's like literally your job to tank ranged damage

[long wharf]

the psyker is holding on to dear life, waiting to pop their ult when their peril gets too high

[summer wind]

dear life?

[covert valve]

with my 80% dmg and max crit dmg/chance (no unyeilding dmg) it takes 6 casts and I crit twice and used about 120ish peril. with BB (not fast casting) its 3 BB and 100 peril which is faster

[summer wind]

you can just.. move

i really don't get why people keep insisting psyker sucks, tbh

[long wharf]

not "can just move", you have to just move

[summer wind]

it's far stronger than most people give it credit for

[long wharf]

I'm not saying psyker sucks, read what's being written

[tender terrace]

volley tanking is entirely dependent on the number of highlighted shooters and the number of elites available to kill, stalkers will drain your volley quickly and kill you fast, and you will die fast if you run out of elites to regain toughness with a volley tank

like its strong as fuck but its not strong as fuck in 100% of situations

[summer wind]

psyker's strength is insane reliability

it can do pretty much whatever it wants and be fine

[silver pagoda]

my surge staff lands 660 damage per surge without crit in 2 seconds charge, BB hits for 880 and takes 3 seconds to charge

[mighty vault]

I think it's just being able to shore up what anyone else does reasonably well

[summer wind]

it can, though

it outperforms everyone in horde clear, equal to zealot with flamer

it can tank ranged fire while moving, and then act on it

[long wharf]

not equal, zealot deletes the horde

[summer wind]

it can specialsnipe in melee or range

[tender terrace]

it can do a lot at once where most of the other classes are kinda niche in nature, except oggy

[long wharf]

psyker has to wait for the horde to die

[summer wind]

it's the best clutch class too

[mighty vault]

wut

[summer wind]

not at all

[mighty vault]

you got a bad purgatus or something, mine works normally

[summer wind]

psyker is on par or better than zealot for hordeclear

[silver pagoda]

Pfpoenix apparently thinks psyker does nothing at all

[long wharf]

you apparently know nothing at all

[silver pagoda]

and veterans can stand in front of a firing line on damnation lmao

[summer wind]

i've been playing psyker since the closed beta, and i've played other classes too

[mighty vault]

that's kinda their job, yeah

[summer wind]

psyker is just consistently very good

[long wharf]

psyker is consistently very decent

[summer wind]

you don't need to be oneshotting crushers to be good

[silver pagoda]

sorry no, veterans are not tanking a firing line on damnation, it's not their job I have no idea what you guys are thinking here

[long wharf]

it's only good if you aren't comparing it to other classes for specific roles

[summer wind]

it's good even then

[mighty vault]

whose job is it? Slab ogryn?

[summer wind]

and besides, that hardly matters

you can melt horde just as well as a zealot as far as what actually matters goes

sure it'll die slightly slower, it doesn't matter

it's still dead before it can be an issue

sure pskyer can't tank as well as ogryn can with the shield

but it doesn't have to

[covert valve]

im hitting on bulwurk

[summer wind]

and it can move around while doing it

sure psyker can't kill gun enemies as well as vet, but it can still kill them safely

psyker is so consistently good that it doesn't matter if another class has a one up on it in a specific role

[silver pagoda]

I'd love to see one of you actually measure how much time a veteran can stay up while getting shot by groups of enemies on damnation, I guarantee isn't not their job to absorb bullets like a slab shield

[summer wind]

because psyker can do it plenty good

unironically psyker is the best class, imo

it's just too safe and reliable for me to say otherwise

[craggy willow]

Best at what?

[summer wind]

a vet alone isn't gonna last as well as a psyker will

[tender terrace]

idk, vs can kill gun enemies as well as vet in similar situations when you play the mechanics correctly and don't allow the shooters to scatter everywhere

[long wharf]

look, I main psyker, I do a lot of actual testing for psyker mechanics, I love playing psyker... and none of that changes the fact that psyker mechanics are clunky at best

[mighty vault]

Oh no, slab ogryn was their actual answer

[summer wind]

clearing levels

[craggy willow]

"Clearing?"

[summer wind]

no yeah the mechanics are clunky, but the effect is still a strong class

[summer wind]

beating them, winning

[tender terrace]

https://tenor.com/view/bane-tom-hardy-batman-foryou-baneposting-gif-11938332

[craggy willow]

That's the squads job, not just Psyker's.

It a co-op game.

[lapis bay]

To clarify, all classes get diff max bonuses from relics right? Like some cap at 25% health? Or are they all the same

[summer wind]

yeah, that's why psyker is so good

because psyker can do every role if something is lacking in your squad

which is why i'd say it's the best

[lapis bay]

We’re also the best with a gun too

[summer wind]

it can fill in while one player is busy or down or whatever, and do plenty well in that role

[craggy willow]

They're the best jack of all trades, sounds like. I'd probably agree but I haven't leveled mine yet.

[mighty vault]

wtf is a relic

[summer wind]

the zealot is down? good thing you can delete hordes and elites within those hordes

[long wharf]

he means curio

[lapis bay]

A curio, my bad— overestimated your contextual analysis

[summer wind]

the ogryn is busy? good thing you can keep yourself alive nigh forever

the vet isn't shooting ranged enemies? just pop em or close the distance and ult

not ideal, but that's the weakest point of the class

and it's still good

[mighty vault]

lol...my mistake was actually a test!

[covert valve]

wow some crazy different numbers while testing mine does 1100 to unyeilding bulwurk and 400 full charge no crit for surge staff??? (80% dmg and 80% crit dmg) are you testing in damnation??? @silver pagoda

[mighty vault]

Joke's on you, I was only pretending!

[summer wind]

but yeah, purge staff psyker is the best class in the game imo, but if you had 4 perfect players it wouldn't be as good

[craggy willow]

Heh, they said the thing. I giggled.

[summer wind]

surge staff is better with 4 perfect players

[mighty pike]

The circle jerk going too far

[lapis bay]

The emperor protects

[silver pagoda]

here's what I'm seeing

[long wharf]

purge works, but I don't find it fun to use

[mighty vault]

yep, it's a crusher

[long wharf]

it doesn't kill fast enough

[summer wind]

that's fine, it's my favorite by far

[covert valve]

CARaps is not unyeilding which i was showing you haha

[summer wind]

like the other staves are boring as hell by comparison to me

anything i mouse over either is dead or will be dead soon

[mighty vault]

How tf do you not find purge fun

[long wharf]

the flamer not only kills quickly, but it deletes bosses

[summer wind]

and feeds me to 6 stacks in less than 10 seconds

[silver pagoda]

ok, I'll check that too

[mighty vault]

none of the staves can possibly be fun in that case

[long wharf]

too short range on purge

[summer wind]

cloud range gaming

[mighty vault]

Surely you're not going to say vetstaff is more fun

[summer wind]

but the range isn't really a big deal anyways

purge is bonkers

[long wharf]

at least with void I can hit things before they get into melee range

[summer wind]

it doesn't cost ammo, and it's just as good as a flamer at hordeclear

and it buffs the person using it

absolutely insane

a single psyker with purge turns hordes into free stacks

[long wharf]

I prefer surge, though, because it's far more tactical

[summer wind]

elites can be killed too

[remote tusk]

My stick is better than your stick discussion again?

[brazen acorn]

Purgatus is less fun for me because it doesn’t make the viscerally satisfying “pop” sound that Voidstrike does on getting a bunch of headshots

[dense prism]

Purge is great since it doesn’t have that beginning wind up animation that flamer have

[summer wind]

it kinda do

it's got a long charge up

[long wharf]

and yeah, hitting headshots with void means you get that satisfying "spak"

[elfin roost]

What it does have is a charge time which negates that tenfold

[summer wind]

but yeah, purge staff insanely good, psyker very strong

[near wyvern]

All these kids arguing which class is needed and which is not and which class should do and what.

Lemme tell ya the truth.

It's not about the class, it's about the player and being able to fill in the role what the team needs.

There is no need for a specific class, some classes do certain things better than others but all you need is players with actual brains in a balanced team comp that includes sufficient horde and elite clear, and it's smooth sailing through Damnation.

[summer wind]

that is my take

[mighty vault]

You can literally spray a stream immediately that last 4 times as long as the charge

[elfin roost]

Purge staff pog, flamer just beats it in every way imaginable except for ammo

[summer wind]

and synergy

having 6 warp charges is 🫦

and you get those so so easy with purge staff

[tender terrace]

hmm

• no need for specific class
• all you need is a balanced team comp

[mighty vault]

then if you want a longer one you can just charge slightly longer during the downtime of everyone being on fire and rolling around on the ground screaming

[elfin roost]

Me when 6 warp charges and using soulfire explosion at 100% peril

[solar loom]

I find Voidstrike to be by far the most fun to use. It makes you feel most like you're hauling the heavy artillery into the field, even if the damage is lackluster against targets that have tons of health.

[fast swan]

trauma would be fun as hell if i could use it more than twice before quelling

[elfin roost]

Damage is lackluster against anything if you dont hit the head

[summer wind]

i just can't get behind void tbh

[near wyvern]

Balanced team comp as in which roles to fill

[summer wind]

it's too situational for me

[long wharf]

let me put it this way - for a class described as a "glass cannon", the only staff that makes you feel that way is the void staff

[mighty vault]

If dreams and wishes

[summer wind]

void relies on things being in a big long line of heads you can shoot

[lapis bay]

It’s great except when you gotta run for the achievement, but it’s clear that there are talents built for management

[summer wind]

purge just wants them to be within range

[elfin roost]

Like bro does he think he's brain burst

[covert valve]

this is what we said?? not comparing capras but unyielding to see if it was worth getting the 25% unyeilding dmg but i said I BB so its faster instead @silver pagoda

[long wharf]

true, but there are plenty of opportunities to make that happen

[summer wind]

right but you could work 100% of the time or 90% of the time

[near wyvern]

If you think you have a balanced team comp because you have one of each don't come back suprised you were lacking in horde clear, ranged clear or elite clear

[long wharf]

positioning is always important

[solar loom]

Void only pierces through enemies when charged, you can also use it to just fire off tons of exploding smaller projectiles by tapping.

[summer wind]

and one gives you way more warp charges

so i mean like

warp charges, and reliability

or cool sound

i'm gonna pick the purge 10/10 times

void is still fun tho

[brazen acorn]

I choose cool sound 😎

[long wharf]

warp charges aren't enough of a damage boost to be worth focusing on

[solar loom]

Voidstrike is just more fun to use.

[summer wind]

they absolutely are worth focusing on

[lapis bay]

And cool visuals too

Looks are 50% of the battle

[dense prism]

Void is great hearing that noise cleaving through a horde

[long wharf]

having them is fine, wanting them is fine, but going out of your way to focus on them is a waste of time

[summer wind]

they turn peril into a non existant problem, they buff your damage with BB / your staff

[solar loom]

Ignoring warp charges really has very little effect.

[summer wind]

it means you output far more damage in general

and purge staff means you passively get them from just attacking

[brazen acorn]

Yeah the peril resist seems really good.

[long wharf]

"far more damage"? no, not really.

[summer wind]

you don't even have to think about it

you just, are at 6 charges

all the time

[long wharf]

peril resist is the best reason to have warp charges

[remote tusk]

3 % damage buff seems undertuned

[supple skiff]

meaningless if you dont reach breakpoints,. which you dont

[silver pagoda]

I'm confused, both the Bulwark and Crusher are classified as unyielding enmies

[mighty vault]

People are pretty weird about warp charges considering how little impact they have

[supple skiff]

peril resist is the only reason to have them

[mighty vault]

Crushers are carapace

[summer wind]

peril resist = damage, not directly but it means you attack more

which means more damage

[mighty vault]

At least until they introduce armor destruction

[long wharf]

another thing a good void staff has over a good purge staff

[solar loom]

The problem with running 6 charges is that unless you get freebie charges from ascending blaze you have to brainburst all day to maintain those.

[silver pagoda]

everywhere I'm reading says these are unyielding: Crusher; Bulwark; Reaper; Mutant; Rager

and the bosses

[summer wind]

i just don't think it's worth it, i've run both and i do way more damage with purge

[long wharf]

with positioning and aim, you can forever kill the endless horde without quelling

[dense prism]

You get six charge pretty easily

[summer wind]

it's such a big difference i barely understand why people even run void

[mighty vault]

You're reading totally wrong things then, because half of that is demonstrably wrong

[summer wind]

same for surge, honestly

i just roll with it because i hear it's good, so i figure i was doing it wrong or smth and just run purge

[solar loom]

The question is what could you be doing instead of fucking around trying to get charges.

[summer wind]

it's just such a massive increase in usefulness

[mighty vault]

But that's no surprise, a shitload of flagrantly incorrect articles were pumped out by crappy publications when this game came out

[full kite]

crusher is carapace

[long wharf]

good lord, you want to talk about usefulness and yet don't understand why people like surge

[summer wind]

yes that's why i'm talking about it

so i can learn

[tender terrace]

literally anything else not caring about like 6% damage

[summer wind]

i know why people like surge, but i just like, don't.. get it? i guess?

[full kite]

and pretty sure mutant is maniac

[supple skiff]

this, looking at you every video and article that talked up recon las and kinetic flayer

[summer wind]

it's just so boring

[near wyvern]

Ok so let's test it out.

You have a void staff dealing 320 damage on a poxwalker/groaner head.

Let us assume you will get a buff which allows you to deal 30% more damage.

How much more damage do you do on those heads now?

[mighty vault]

Could you please stop doing this reddit spacing shit

[elfin roost]

When you can build around them though, 14% chance on killing any enemy (4% when you or ally in coherency, and the ascendant blaze passive for 10% on soulfire) stacking up to 36% peril resist, and ascendant blaze actually makes it somewhat meaningful even if impractical, but even then you can just... be normal

[summer wind]

an amount that doesn't matter

[tender terrace]

what do you mean bro

i've never been on reddit a day in my life

why does this bother you?

[full kite]

I think oro just needs a reason to be angy

[mighty vault]

didn't they add an explicit rule about whitespace spamming, we were talking about it in general yesterday

[elfin roost]

Always does

[supple skiff]

someone has an excel of various warp charge stacks and the attacks to kill various enemies

[solar loom]

Yea, 12% more damage will not get you great DPS against bosses, and at best it will le you push a low grade staff over the one shot breakpoint, but a high grade staff is not going to have different breakpoints from the charge bonus.

[mighty pike]

You think separating lines for clarity is Reddit? :/ please

[empty basin]

surge is the most boring and worthless staff (trauma not existing) and serves fuck all purpose for the user. Purg is fun until shooters show up and you're now useless. Voidstrike is good until they're horizontal

[full kite]

I love it 10/10 fills psyker chat with fun

[silver pagoda]

ok, can someone link to that page with the enemy armor types and stuff? I'm pretty confused

[supple skiff]

its honestly laughable how useless warp charges are

[near wyvern]

Exactly.

If you are not reaching a lower HTK value on an enemy, a damage buff has very little meaning

[mighty vault]

Sir you don't need doublespacing on discord like you're trying to fill up more pages for your assignment

[tender terrace]

ok like this one is silly @mighty vault now i get it

[summer wind]

but yeah, here's my final take
surge is effective for stunning enemies, but is insanely boring because you just can't kill things with it
void is effective against big long lines of enemies, but is useless when you're surrounded or in a twisty room
purge is effective no matter where you are, and is the cheapest to use

[full kite]

trauma is effective at

wait

[summer wind]

trauma gives the user trauma

the sound is cool tho

[tender terrace]

hey guys

i really want you to read my text

so i want it to take up as much space as possible

obviously because i am special and you should read what i say

[supple skiff]

purge but your 30 feet away from a pack opf shooters

[solar loom]

Purge is effective no matter where you are unless it's more than 20m from the enemy.

[supple skiff]

very effective

[summer wind]

deflector, ult, problem solved

[empty basin]

Give trauma staff full damage in circle, or reduce the fuck out of it's peril gen

[summer wind]

not like void can kill gunners well anyways

it's too slow for it

[covert valve]

this is what we said but why ARNT you hitting unyeilding for ur test ?? not comparing capras but unyielding to see if it was worth getting the 25% dmg but i said I BB so its faster instead @silver pagoda

[remote tusk]

Socko, you're not coming off as someone who wants to learn, just someone who has an opinion on staffs and wants to convince others

[supple skiff]

it can

[elfin roost]

Yeah, charges are useless unless they provide more than just damage and you aren't automating the buildup, particularly with Purge fire

[lapis bay]

Trading long range for viability in medium ranged encounters

There’s no one staff that does everything perfectly

[remote tusk]

I'm not sure if that was your intention

[solar loom]

Void is amazing for stagger locking gunners and taking out snipers.

[supple skiff]

I can half charge one shot flak shooters with mine no problem

[dense prism]

You still have brain burst for range albeit underwhelming

[summer wind]

that's fair, i guess what i'm trying to do is state my opinion so it can be changed but i'm not getting anything remotely convincing

[full kite]

me and my trauma staff

😄

[lapis bay]

Or a good gun

[supple skiff]

you're not deleting them like a vet would, but its good

[summer wind]

i just don't get why people like the other staves so much

when in my head purge is so obviously better

by so much

it's barely a competition at all

[elfin roost]

True, big thing about it is how effortlessly you can separate elites from the horde and probably also kill several elites inside of a horde

[solar loom]

I mean, nothing wrong with having a preference, I just think havin very limited range is more limiting than dealing damage in a line.

[supple skiff]

https://tenor.com/view/bait-gif-19242449

[tender terrace]

yeah a lack of skill in empathy is a massive problem in current society, its not abnormal

[lapis bay]

It’s a matter of niche use. As a melee focused player I love how it lets me extend my attack range by a little with a safe enough KB

[full kite]

have you every heard of the tragedy of darth plagesus the wise

which reminds me

[mighty vault]

Maybe in a hallway.

[full kite]

we should give psyker a red lightsaber

[sonic aspen]

have you ever heard of the tragedy of Horus

[summer wind]

it's whatever

[supple skiff]

magnus did nothing wrong

[elfin roost]

Purge is obviously the psykinetic's best friend feat wise but that doesn't mean the others can't be better than it in a lot of scenarios

[mighty vault]

Like hallways

[near wyvern]

So basically next time I try to make an argument, I should just type everything together instead of formatting stuff into a list, because Reddit is bad and visually separating stuff so that the information and meaning is easily understood is bad. This includes making the stat tier list for the million purgatus staff questions should be posted as 1 burn 2 warp resist 3 cloud radius 4 quelling speed 5 damage as formatting is way more overrated and the importance of it is exaggerated on the internet. Who wouldn't want a proper wall of text in the morning or in the evening.

[lapis bay]

The suppressive fire blessing works in hallways I’ve found

[solar loom]

Hallways are pretty awesome for Voidstrike, but even if you don't have a hallway to rely on, a little bit of clever positioning and aiming for where the enemies are stacked deepest can get you outstanding results in almost all situations.

[long wharf]

in a chat setting, whitespace is usually indicate of separate messages, and that's how people expect it to be

[solar loom]

The one time you can't hit 10 guys at the same time is if you're above them. Oh well, I don't use ammo, just keep blasting.

[silver pagoda]

how do you tell in the psykonium what is a crit? I'm getting really inconsistent numbers and can't tell why

[long wharf]

on reddit, and on forums, using whitespace to separate paragraphs into blocked ideas is most useful

[tender terrace]

https://tenor.com/view/1984-copypasta-gif-24663401

[lapis bay]

Yellow numbers are crit IIRC

[long wharf]

most crits show up as yellow numbers

[near wyvern]

It wasn't, I typed everything with two thumbs

[long wharf]

but there's a known bug where sometimes crits aren't yellow (they stay white)

[silver pagoda]

why is brain burst orange?

[summer prairie]

it hits a weakspot

[solar loom]

it's always a headshot

[silver pagoda]

ok, so weakspot is orange and crit is yellow, what's a crit on a weakspot?

[near wyvern]

Yellow

[mighty vault]

Put a space after a fullstop and keep typing, there is no reason to scroll my whole fuckin chat so much by dumping in multiple linefeeds every single sentence. Look, here's an example. You don't really ever have to manually put in newlines.

[near wyvern]

Nah, I am gonna keep formatting the text into logical sections as I see until a moderator tells me it is against the rules.

[solar loom]

New VOX transmission just dropped

[mighty vault]

Now if you'd typed that message, it'd be half a page on a 1200p screen.

[silver pagoda]

ok yeah, seems like the reason why I thought surge is better than BB on unyielding is because I was getting a lot of crits

[long wharf]

so, the biggest indicator that warp charges are, at best, a passive mechanic, is that your playstyle doesn't change based on how many warp charges you have

[fluid knot]

People who complain about text walls are stupid. Like seriously man, you ever read a book?

[long wharf]

you can literally ignore the fact that you either have no warp charges, or are gaining warp charges, because you play the same either way

[mighty vault]

Imagine if books autoscrolled, lol

[sonic aspen]

they are literal irl ogryns

[long wharf]

in other words, there is no "building around warp charges"

[fluid knot]

It do be like that yeah

[long wharf]

they exist, you take advantage of them in passive ways if you have them

[lapis bay]

Unless you spec into BB specifically

[tender terrace]

the heck? but i do more damage with more warp charges bro

[long wharf]

nope

because you're going to BB anyways

you don't not BB if you don't have enough warp charges, do you?

[fluid knot]

Which is a shame, because should they be more impactful it would open the class up to even more variety

[elfin roost]

There is in a way, you're just sacrifice active benefits for passive ones

[mighty vault]

I don't BB until I have max stacks, ever. Sorry sweatie

[long wharf]

I completely agree, I've said the following since the open beta - warp charges should be a resource we spend to do psyker things

[solar loom]

I really want a trauma staff that just causes an explosion where you point it instead of the weird ground target. Just a big zap, boom rocket launcher kind of thing.

[long wharf]

we should build them up easily and reliably, and spend them to BB, power our sword, do other stuff

[near wyvern]

The only thing there is, is if you try to go with Warp Battery AB but it's way too slow to build up the stacks.

Would be an interesting playstyle to bundle Psycinetic's Aura, Warp Battery and AB for 6 stack ults but stacks are just way too slow to get.

[silver pagoda]

honestly I almost never use BB unless it's a really specific situation where I'm protected and it's an elite at long range

[undone quiver]

Kinda what voidstrike is, though I appreciate the difference

[solar loom]

I use Brainburst on Bulwarks

[lapis bay]

Guns are superior, it’s true

[long wharf]

this is a sign that you truly understand BB's limitations, good for you (no sarcasm)

[solar loom]

Voidstrike isn't really an explosive projectile, it's more like an old timey pirate cannon that has to be fired enfilade to really shred guys.

[fluid knot]

100%, in their current form they just kinda feel a bit vestigial, almost like a holdover from a previous class build. If they upped the power increase per charge to 5%, and made the standard cap 6, and with warp battery 9, it would be SO much better and more viable

[near wyvern]

Yeah it's funny if you take a revolver with you. As long as you have ammo BB is just obsolete

[long wharf]

it would, but keeping them as a passive gain (via communion) or active gain via BB, is still clunky

let BB be a near instant cast that costs you a warp charge

[silver pagoda]

we should just get a warp charge for every elite enemy killed

[long wharf]

let it still generate a warp charge on BB kill

[elfin roost]

Warp charges would be awesome if they didn't have a time limit unless activated like that too, BB could be charged to do more damage at the cost of stacks, provide a larger damage buff at a certain amount of seconds per stack, only difficulty is finding a way to gain them and not having it be clunky

[lapis bay]

Or a longer time limit with a slightly better passive buff

[solar loom]

We should generate warp charges passively and use them like grenades to brainburst things for huge damage.

[long wharf]

let warp charges roll off one by one (individual timers), and each have a full 30 second window

[fluid knot]

Yeah thats another point, there are not enough sources to gain them. One fix would be dropping the KF cooldown to 5s but i suppose that would make it BiS so there has to be some other tweaks or its simply non-sensical

[long wharf]

heck, this isn't a bad idea either

[craggy willow]

Brain Burst quicker too, if the resource would be limited and capped.

[sonic aspen]

they should remove the damage boost it gives because it's laughable and they can move what the stacks do to feats and just change feats

[tender terrace]

if you're not casting bb on every gunner, sniper, trapper, or things like maulers or ragers (unless you're using FS special) then idk what u doin, maybe using a surge staff or something

[wet belfry]

I just want psychic communion as a base iconic

[mighty vault]

I've said this before, brainburst should be more like grenades and actually consistently kill shit

[wet belfry]

I think its to nessacry for psykers playstyle.

[lapis bay]

+12% damage at max charge for 25s is kinda poop especially when you can really only pop 3 BBs before having to quell

[solar loom]

I would much rather have a limited huge brain burst that absolutely fucks than the wet noodle brain burst we have right now that is spammable but not impressive.

[wet belfry]

Atleast if you want any warp charges at all

[elfin roost]

At the absolute highest, you get 18% increased damage for 25s

[silver pagoda]

maybe like BB damage is like 20% of their max health per warp charge, so at 4 it's 80% hp (except on some specific enemy types)

[sonic aspen]

the only thing I really use warp stacks for is AB

[mighty vault]

18% just ain't really shit worth caring about when you have to maintain stacks to do it

[elfin roost]

Maybe the Psykinetic's Wrath BB feat could eliminate the cost for a couple seconds but provide no other benefit

[lapis bay]

Or even an inverse. If you have max warp charge, BB should be instant. 3 stacks then increase the timer by a little. No stacks and you’ll have to do a full BB cast— it makes resource management more rewarding

[fluid knot]

Soulblaze ticks having a chance to generate a warp charge would also be another good one, and would make the T1 perk on the level 10 feats be so much more relevant because with how piss poor its damage is at the moment, its kinda worthless

[sonic aspen]

I'd be just happy with Force Sword special giving warp charges

[tender terrace]

implementation kinda makes sense when you're using communion and flayer tho, any time im in an active engagement, i keep warp charges without bb'ing or thinking about it

[fluid knot]

Tbh i dont know why that doesnt happen anyway, that was such a major oversight an would give us more reason to use those weapons (if we're getting further force weapons)

[solar loom]

I just don't want to be beholden to brain burst and specific passives to access half of my class mechanics. I want the game to respect my weapon choices and give me a useful piece of kit that complements them, rather than tries to compete with them.

[mighty vault]

(except guns)

[craggy willow]

It already looks like you're succing the soul out of the heretic when you do. It may as well give you something.

[lapis bay]

Hateful

[fluid knot]

Whilst you joke, if warp charges were more impactful to our damage output, it would make guns much more of a viable choice

[long wharf]

you might as well make warp charges a passive generation then

[mighty vault]

insubordinate and churlish

[safe mountain]

yeah and zealot get's a 20% damage boost for just melee attacking... Then there is his 5% damage per 15% lost health which in it's own way is kinda underwhelming but at least it's permanent until you heal again.

[lapis bay]

Imagine being able to instacast BB with max warp charges while laying down suppressive fire

Now we’re a better vet

[long wharf]

known UI bug, ignore it

[fluid knot]

Yea i guess, but with the Soulblaze ticks it would tie in the skill relating to it to be a little more impactful and tying more feats into relevance is only a good thing imo

[covert valve]

ok so i stand correct with my test resulting unyeilding to bukwurks correct?

[mighty vault]

what

[elfin roost]

Honestly maybe you could gain and expend warp charges with the force sword, youd only have to toggle the force activation for 5-6 seconds a stack and you gain a warp charge on elite kill, of course with feats around it that let it do so

[near wyvern]

TBF the KB cast speed should be default and KB should make BB charge instant, limiting the spam only by the animation duration & peril (and your skill to quell it to 97/98)

[lapis bay]

Problem is that being in melee range is INCREDIBLY more dangerous and generally weaker than ranged so they have to have their cake and eat it too, otherwise we’d have much less melee in the game

[silver pagoda]

I tested on reaper, which is definitely unyielding, and indeed BB will kill them faster

the benefit of surge in this case would be stunning multiple enemies while killing

[elfin roost]

WC's aren't nearly as fun or cool as they could be

[near wyvern]

This is quite the default on surge. Most kills you kill slower but you also hold them and many other potentially dangerous targets in place

[covert valve]

yeah surge will cc them and more but if it was like a reaper that was dangerous I find that even the BB skill will trip him enough so he wont be shooting (i also run the 50% speed on BB but for this test I took that out bcuz you cant have that up all the time but should give the reaper enough of a headache for him to not shoot)

[elfin roost]

What sucks is that you're usually only at significant stacks when the engagement is almost over

[safe mountain]

Melee only get's more dangerous when you got at least 1 shooter attacking you out of reach and deleting your toughness in less than a second, making all regen pointless.

[long wharf]

this is the fundamental problem with the current warp charge mechanic for psykers

every other class is able to start an engagement doing their best

psykers have to "ramp up" and you frequently hit maximum effectiveness once the engagement is done

[lapis bay]

Or caught between a flamer and a sniper, where you can’t even dodge in fires

Meanwhile you’re safe with a gun at a distance with BB to supplement

[elfin roost]

It's pretty much warrior priest from vermintide 2, you get the buff when it matters least

[long wharf]

it's piss poor design

[safe mountain]

Also for some stupid design choice range hits cancel dodges and slides.

[lapis bay]

On a slightly different note, sorry to hijack but can anyone tell me how to make using voidstrike staff not suck ass? I do less damage than 1 second channeling of purg staff with the same amount of knock back

[elfin roost]

Being able to store charges and activate them on command would easily make psyker insanely fun and actually provide some use for charges

[long wharf]

you need to aim for weakspots

aka headshots

the charged shots have a larger collision radius than the visual effect

so you have to aim higher than enemy heads

[elfin roost]

Non headshots are wet noodles but headshots are like throwing bowling balls

[long wharf]

it's how the void can hit enemies behind cover

[warm flint]

headshots and positioning, you need to maintain firing lines that are straight lines, it excels in hallways

[mighty pike]

Yeah voidstrike is a headshot machine. Don't take it as an explosive round, think of it like a cannonball of a big bullet

[tall torrent]

worth gambling on or hard pass?

[long wharf]

headshots are key, it procs Peril Transfer (which all good void staves have)

[lapis bay]

Thanks fam, I was wondering why it felt like throwing pillows at people— I was just using it poorly

[long wharf]

might as well

[safe mountain]

BB's should either gain damage on sucessive hits on the same target making it more a boss killing tool or you should be able to charge to use your warp charges to deal massive hits

[long wharf]

you really feel the power when you engage groups of mobs, and you headshot the entire lot

[elfin roost]

The explosion when it finally ends is also super cool feeling

[long wharf]

why not a feat that makes BBs lower warp damage resistance on enemies

and let it stack

[fluid knot]

There is actually a weird similarity between the Void' an Rumbler in that context

[warm flint]

if you have the charging increase speed blessing, fire off a couple uncharged RMB shots then start charging the shots

[fluid knot]

Obviously the Rumbler does explode an fires in an arc, but yeah, big round goes "plunk!" on headshots

[warm flint]

while holding down RMB without releasing

[mighty vault]

Just use purgatus. c:

[long wharf]

this behavior isn't peril efficient

you're better off simply charging for the heavier shot the first time

[warm flint]

it's not peril efficient, but being peril effeciant is not important

[elfin roost]

I mean a giant grenade would probably hurt a lot if you got shot in the head with it

[warm flint]

you want to build peril quickly in order to quell quickly

[long wharf]

know what, if the primary attack from purge went farther, or was the same projectile as the other staves, I'd probably like the staff more

[safe mountain]

why not first make BB's ignore head armour entirely.

[long wharf]

BB is a classic psyker attack, and canonically it's a simple head crush

[tall torrent]

gamble?

[long wharf]

not an internal attack

[long wharf]

yep

[tall torrent]

ok i'll give it a shot thx

[fluid knot]

It definitely would yeah, more so given its the size of a fuckin breezeblock

[mighty pike]

Thoughts on the basic catachan sword as a weapon?

[elfin roost]

Grab worthy?

[long wharf]

it is one of the melee weapons of all time, for sure.

[lapis bay]

Cerebral lacerations should be stronger imo

[elfin roost]

Its the morbius of swords

[long wharf]

I agree

if CL was a 50% damage buff, I'd consider using it

[lapis bay]

That’s what I was thinking too, 50%

[silver pagoda]

so is deflector blaze sword not all that good? I thought running it with block efficiency was working out pretty well but seems like people disagree?

[lapis bay]

Cause 5s is barely enough time for another BB

[long wharf]

it's great for clutch situations

emergency use

[lapis bay]

People will always disagree no matter what you’re saying lol

[long wharf]

people overstate its effectiveness, however

[lapis bay]

I love force sword deflector cause it saves my skinny caster ass when im in trouble

[warm flint]

it's just a cheesy thing, it has its legit merits, but, imo, dueling sword is the overall best melee weapon to use

[lapis bay]

But it’s not a tank sword

[full kite]

quick question

[safe mountain]

BB at the moment for CL counts as a non force attack. But that's most likely a bug

[full kite]

what feats do people run with fs + surge

[long wharf]

you walking around holding block means you're moving more slowly and not doing anything else

[mighty vault]

But deflector bruh

I’m a slab psyker now

[silver pagoda]

that's definitely true but it lets you get close enough to ranged trash mobs to stun lock them with surge, which is what I use it for

[lapis bay]

Doesn’t finesse improve block movement speed? I swear I move faster holding it down than regular walk speed

[long wharf]

I definitely wouldn't pair fsword with surge

[mighty vault]

Did you know you can just slide without any special feats on particular weapons

[long wharf]

not that I'm aware of, double check the text when you inspect your fsword

[lapis bay]

Yeah but sliding always gets me shot for some reason regardless if I’m behind cover or not. Thanks netcode

And sometimes slide goes forward like the floor is covered in butter and other times I go like 2 cm

It’s hardly reliable unless holding a charge battery for the objective

[silver pagoda]

I swear one time I got extra slide distance by going down stairs but other times it does nothing

[lapis bay]

The good thing is you can slide infinitely on the beast of nurgles slime

[long wharf]

flamer really ought to burn that slime away

[mighty vault]

It really ought to fade on its own considerably faster, it’s kind of a dumb mechanic

[elfin roost]

Is this of any value from Melk?

[long wharf]

I don't mind the slime sticking around while the boss is alive

[mighty vault]

Like it would be one thing if it just made you slower, but it also corrupts

[long wharf]

but having a way to combat that gives more tactical options for gameplay, and that's never a bad thing

[wet belfry]

Is there any correlation between getting good emperors gifts and playing well?

[mighty vault]

And depending on where you get jumped the entire surface area of the level can get goo’d pretty quickly

[long wharf]

none

[wet belfry]

Or am i just having confirmation bias?

[full kite]

yes it's a skill issue

[long wharf]

emperor's gifts are purely random

[full kite]

🤡

[tender terrace]

are you asking why all of your gifts are trash?

[elfin roost]

Not really, you just get either blessed or fucked

[safe mountain]

as dumb as not being able to dodge the grab and eat. Or other enemies sometimes still being able to attack you while your inside the beast of Nurgle?

[mighty vault]

Oof

[wet belfry]

Nah ive been getting oranges a ton lately

[magic burrow]

It feels like you only get emperor's gifts if no one died

[long wharf]

I've only ever gotten one emperor's gift worth using

[sonic aspen]

told me friend this and seeing them freak out at corruption going up rapidly made my day

[long wharf]

that power sword I screenshotted yesterday

[blissful hill]

just here to dump this

[tender terrace]

emperor think you need help cause poor play so he's showering you

[long wharf]

not bad at all

[tender terrace]

cwzy bwoh

[mighty vault]

Nice charge rate

[magic burrow]

noice

[long wharf]

now upgrade it

[blissful hill]

how to swap char rate and warp res

[tender terrace]

inb4 someone says "x thing is dogshit lul its bad"

[long wharf]

I predict you'll get run'n'gun and focused channeling

[wet belfry]

Nope it was actually really good

a 346 rating surge staff with terrifying barrage, warp flurry.

[mighty vault]

Sir it already has two blessings

What are you going to upgrade it to

[long wharf]

I was talking to Derzie

[wet belfry]

20% damage vs unarmored, 20% damage vs maniacs

[long wharf]

oh shit, my bad, I thought it was white

aaaaand you have the two best blessings on it

[mighty vault]

https://tenor.com/view/nerd-emoji-nerd-emoji-avalon-play-avalon-gif-24241051

[lapis bay]

Still not as good as base purg

[tender terrace]

https://tenor.com/view/awkward-cat-umm-orange-cat-tabby-gif-23535875

[blissful hill]

i never use purg does it have at least decent stagger on bigbois

[full kite]

quickplay damnation is so fun

[lapis bay]

It staggers everything except unyielding and carapace iirc

[fossil lagoon]

Level 19 ....... KICK

[blissful hill]

nice starter staff

[full kite]

I only kick afks

[long wharf]

jesus fucking the christ, the more I look at it, the more jealous I get

[lapis bay]

Fun fact— if you get capped in game, quitting and rejoining will teleport you to where the bot is

[long wharf]

it's a unicorn

[lapis bay]

Shitlord advice #22

[long wharf]

the only way that staff could get better is if the charge rate and quell speed were swapped

[tender terrace]

I predict you'll get run'n'gun and focused channeling on it

[long wharf]

and of course the rest of the modifier points, but still

[long wharf]

that's always my luck

[elfin roost]

The hell is surge supposed to do, double the projectile?

[blissful hill]

yeh, the charge spam quell cancel thing makes up for that a lot thankfully

[blissful hill]

when ur weapon procs a random crit (not headshot) it just fires a second weaker proj

[long wharf]

you don't want to charge spam, you want to charge to maximize damage

[elfin roost]

Thats kinda cool

[blissful hill]

i do both of coursxe

[long wharf]

that thing is going to eat elites up

[blissful hill]

charge spam is great knockign down individual pesky shooters

[silver pagoda]

I thought voidstrike wasn't "meta"

[slender bluff]

it all depends on if you want to kill or create room, both have their use

[tender terrace]

its literally unusable

[blissful hill]

trauma is my "meta" but voidstrike is 2nd most fun to me

i only use surge with my buddies

[silver pagoda]

thought only meta staves were purgatus and surge

I'd be happy to know we have more options, lol

[tender terrace]

yeah but they're all inferior to a gun

[blissful hill]

not to be the guy that says idgaf about the meta but idgaf about the meta

heretic go sploo

[long wharf]

there is no meta

[blissful hill]

^^

[slender bluff]

there is only fun

[blissful hill]

only heresy

[long wharf]

just the widely shared experience of trauma sucking donkey balls

[sonic aspen]

the meta is the shop being nice

[blissful hill]

trauma is the SHIT its like surge if you wanna be able to overload yourself on command

wait thats probably just my trauma staff holup

[elfin crystal]

question like that. the base rating of curio only affect the base stat right? not the perks?

[slender bluff]

ufff, that one hurts

for a little while 😛

[long wharf]

aaaand shit blessings

[wanton cove]

Uff that warp resist is rough to

[long wharf]

you really want warp resist on trauma, too

[blissful hill]

just waiting to rebless;

[wanton cove]

You gonna heat up quick

[blissful hill]

literally the only staff i wouldnt want bottomed out warp res

[silver pagoda]

prob not worth using rebless on a 323 base modifier

[wanton cove]

It does have nice quell speed to somewhat deal with that

[wanton cove]

Yeah

[slender bluff]

my thought to, too easy to get a better one

[blissful hill]

hell yeah it will, this is my suicide bomber staff

[dawn orchid]

This is like little babby, observe

[slender bluff]

hehe

[long wharf]

I'm still upgrading fswords to try to get a bloodthirsty roll

[blissful hill]

awe hope he grows up into something useful

[mighty vault]

Why would you rebless a 324 weapon lmao

[dawn orchid]

It's a trauma staff

Stillborn

[wanton cove]

🤣🤣🤣

[slender bluff]

hehe

[silver pagoda]

did you know you won't get kicked from game if you are in the psychonium? just found out

[blissful hill]

lol i read all trauma staff hate as "i cant manage my peril"

[wanton cove]

Tryna get me a damn 380 purgatus…

[dawn orchid]

Doesn't it give double the peril for no reason

[silver pagoda]

can afk in the psych ward forever

[wanton cove]

Got close with 372

[dawn orchid]

Or was that fixed

[wanton cove]

Oh nice. I hate getting kicked for inactivity

[mighty vault]

You should work on that, it sounds like severe dyslexia of some kind

[blissful hill]

faaaaat damage and really good stagger

[blissful hill]

all 6 of my eyelids are twitching, you think thats related?

[dawn orchid]

I wouldn't exactly say fat damage, but I mean I remember hearing it's bugged to generate double the peril it's supposed to

[elfin crystal]

sustain is really important tho

[mighty vault]

Fat knocking shit everywhere so it takes three times as long for your team to clean up

Like free ogryn charge in exchange for peril

[blissful hill]

i havent noticed this, feels manageable as is, and you've seen my bottom tier warp res stat

[dawn orchid]

Well you wouldn't notice it, if it's been bugged since release

[silver pagoda]

the problem with trauma, imo, is it scatter enemies while the other staves don't

[viscid forum]

What're the general thoughts on the voidstrike staff?

[silver pagoda]

so if your goal is to stun lock you're better with surge, and if it's to clear crowds your better with purgatus

[viscid forum]

Cause i actually think its better then the surge

[blissful hill]

i would in comparison to other staffs; it really doesnt feel that extreme compared to others

at least not double

[wanton cove]

As long as your 7th eyelid isn’t twitching you’re fine

[dawn orchid]

Double what it's supposed to is not necessarily double the other staffs

[blissful hill]

and normally i'd be like "where did the devs say trauma peril is borken" but um, fatshark things

[elfin crystal]

how many charged secondary attacks can you even do with that warp resis?

[mighty pike]

Wonder if it would be good if it was implosive and dragged enemies towards the centre

[blissful hill]

like 3

[slender bluff]

works well on lower diffeculty, but loses it potency on higher as there are to many elites to "catch" the alt fier for it to really clear

[elfin crystal]

oh

[dawn orchid]

https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/psyker-trauma-staff-generates-twice-the-amount-of-peril-as-the-other-3-staves/70805

Marked as acknowledged

[viscid forum]

Fair enough honestly. Makes plenty of sense

[long wharf]

yeah, void is great for horde clear provided there aren't armored enemies in the way to stop the projectile

[slender bluff]

doesn't make it less fun though and if you can get enough heatshots you can make up for it

[viscid forum]

The projectile seems to consistently stagger though

[long wharf]

it definitely does

[blissful hill]

i mean thats a user submitted statement with no responses

[long wharf]

so it's useful that way

[blissful hill]

suspicion, no mor3

[dawn orchid]

Being marked as acknowledged means the devs are aware of it.

If it wasn't a bug, it would get marked as not a bug

[viscid forum]

Coming from vet to psyker. This squishyness of this class fucking has been my BANE lol but the dueling sowrd has uh at least made me kick ass thus far.

[long wharf]

with FartShart, it's far more believable that the code is garbage, the text descriptions wrong, and unintended interactions and behavior are everywhere

[dawn orchid]

I upgraded it for shits and giggles, the omnissiah said to go fuck myself

[slender bluff]

unfortunately that is more true then it should be

[blissful hill]

i dont use the forums but acknowledged felt more like "ill be right with you" from your busy waiter;;; if thats a confirmed bug, then trauma would be OP af if it worked with half the peril; but i guess fatshark balancing isnt here to make sense

[dawn orchid]

then trauma would be OP af
Doubt.jpg

[mighty pike]

the general consensus was "knife is bad for psyker" is it

[mighty vault]

I heard terrifying barrage was nice on trauma staves.

[blissful hill]

?? do ppl just not see trauma's raw damage and stagger? just dont get it

[mighty vault]

Bro it sucks, live w/ it

[blissful hill]

bow to my superior staff preference

[fluid knot]

Pfft, peasents and your funny magic sticks

[blissful hill]

need meta cuz bad

jk all staffs matter

[mighty vault]

cope

[dawn orchid]

Causes you to almost explode in two casts

[viscid forum]

Trauma staff is fine lmao

[dawn orchid]

jesus

[fluid knot]

Staves dont scream with the anger of centuries and thats why guns are better

[mighty vault]

In as much as anything is "fine," which is to say you can use it, and probably win, but you're making it unnecessarily burdensome to do so

[craggy willow]

Wish for a stronger back, not a lighter load, etc etc

[dawn orchid]

You can use it, and probably get carried while dragging down your team

[viscid forum]

You dont explode in two casts.

[blissful hill]

if that "burden" comes with a highly maneuverable splodey sphere ill take it

[long wharf]

if you spend the majority of the mission in melee as a psyker, then sure, trauma is fine for the 7 times you use it

[tender terrace]

where do you guys get these sick staves i never see fucking anything above 350 on my pskyer its tragic

[dawn orchid]

Two charged casts brought me to 99%

[mighty vault]

Sir everytime you blast a bunch of poxwalkers to opposite corners of the room and kill maybe 35% of them I promise your team fucking hates you.

[long wharf]

but trauma is definitely not fine if you're trying to make it your primary method of dealing with enemies

[viscid forum]

Unironic skill issue cause ive used it more then 2 casts and had plenty.

[blissful hill]

there IS such a thing as trash gear rolls

like MY main trauma staff

[long wharf]

so much this - I absolutely hate powers/abilities/whatever that disperse a crowd

[fluid knot]

I can see Trauma being pretty fun if you're competant at melee and swapping between

[long wharf]

it makes everyone's lives harder

[dawn orchid]

Unironic reading comprehension issue, ratio, touch grass

[viscid forum]

Correct but if two uses of a trauma staff bring you to 99% that is a skill issue.

[long wharf]

I dislike the ogryn bullrush being used just to knock things down for the same reason

[mighty vault]

You don't need to ogryn charge through this dense horde that is being actively flamethrower'd, you stupid piece of shit

[viscid forum]

I use the trauma staff often and understood you find. Quit being a fucking baddie and an idiot lmao.

[long wharf]

leave shit standing so everyone else knows who to headshot and kill, ffs

[blissful hill]

kinda getting tired of people assuming everybody uses this staff wrong

gotta upload gameplay of myself to have a leg defending trauma staff

[fluid knot]

Ogryns who use bullrush to break up a horde are using it wrong, the only exception to that is if someone goes down in the middle ofc

[mighty vault]

please don't, I just ate

[fluid knot]

Use it to keep stuff off your team, not run away and split everything up

[tender terrace]

is this one INSANE?!

[dawn orchid]

Age issue, please be at least mentally 18, also touch grass, stop trolling your team with a trauma staff and getting carried, lmao.

[mighty vault]

341

no

[viscid forum]

Uh huh. K im glad you're an unproductive shit. opinion discarded.

[blissful hill]

goddammit you dont BOTH have to act like twats

[dawn orchid]

No u, opinion descarted.

[fluid knot]

Is this veteran chat?

[blissful hill]

fr

take it to dms you babbies

[dawn orchid]

I respond to people how they respond to me

[viscid forum]

I treat anyone who acts like that..exactly as shown lol.

[dawn orchid]

He started it

[blissful hill]

im sure that always yeilds positive result

[tender terrace]

i like how the guy who spawned the shitstorm conversation about being toxic before, is now emulating the same exact behavior he was crying at me about - literal hypocrite

[viscid forum]

And its over. who cares.

lmao

[sonic aspen]

there isn't cat pictures here so no

[fluid knot]

This is funny

[viscid forum]

holy shit the child-like behavior. Ill see myself out actually

cya

[mighty vault]

bye!

[tender terrace]

its not an airport, you dont need to announce a departure

[dawn orchid]

Cya, please don't come back

[viscid forum]

im back just because fuckers pinged me lmao.

[mighty vault]

Last wordism is a curse

[blissful hill]

stop plz you already killed the whole chat

[viscid forum]

good.

[blissful hill]

ffs

[wanton cove]

Please come back and give me food

Pls

[mighty pike]

All psyker chat is is fighting

[blissful hill]

yeh im hungry

[tender terrace]

https://tenor.com/view/no-one-asked-family-guy-disco-gif-19934515

[lucid terrace]

Trauma staff is still the best.

[dawn orchid]

Didn't you have a 40+ minute shitposting match in chat? Literal hypocrite. Mockingly doing something as a joke =/= doing it angrily for real, like you did.

[sonic aspen]

we are lore accurate with psyker vs psyker content

[blissful hill]

twink u in dallas lets get some fakkin bubble tea

[wanton cove]

I could go for a cheesesteak sando 🤤

With da works

[dawn orchid]

I wasn't even there for most of it

[tender terrace]

i heard warp resistance is a good dump stat if i get the good blessing do i spin

[mighty pike]

I would like to all band together as a community but it's true some of us are painful to be around

[blissful hill]

happy blessings

[tender terrace]

whoaa its the thing right

shit tier but

what is it like 1% per tier

[supple skiff]

about that

[wanton cove]

that’s decent

Oof the warp resist tho

[blissful hill]

is k youll be able to re bless it in 2026

[tender terrace]

its the good blessing right

just low tier?

[wanton cove]

Yes

[blissful hill]

hell yeah i love transfer peril

[wanton cove]

You want quell peril for one of your VS blessing

[brazen acorn]

when the two cringe lords stop arguing about trauma staff

“A step closer to tranquility”

[tender terrace]

then if i get surge it's god tier?

[blissful hill]

really only on voidt ho

[tender terrace]

2 t4 perks at hadron not bad, infested aint shabby

[wanton cove]

Yep if you get surge it’s a good roll but you need to deal with less then perfect stats

[tender terrace]

bro do you play the game?

whats a perfect stat chance like .0001%

[wanton cove]

Nah I just lurk in discords for fun

[dawn orchid]

We can continue to argue about trauma staff if you'd like

[tender terrace]

a lot of people do

[mighty vault]

"argue"

[supple skiff]

the added 3 peril per full charge will make that staff unplayable

[wanton cove]

That’s whack

[tender terrace]

and doesn't the blessing compensate for it as a dump stat anyway?

[mighty pike]

Let's argue in favour of knife psyker instead

[supple skiff]

it does lol

[tender terrace]

go check out #general-chat if you want a sample

[pale crescent]

People complain about psyker being weak, but having a good level 30 psyker on my team makes me feel infinitely safer. Just extra coverage on everything except midrange

[wanton cove]

No thank you

🤣🤣🤣

[blissful hill]

psyker bad class since attack slide tech was removed

[supple skiff]

here for the final roll

[blissful hill]

and go

[supple skiff]

looking great so far

[tender terrace]

im way short on plats unfort

gonna be a while

[supple skiff]

maaan

[tender terrace]

BACK TO THE GRIND

[pale crescent]

Pops far elites, defends against muties/hounds. King of crowd control zero ammo cost

[tender terrace]

i have like 3k plat on my vet if only i could use it

[dawn orchid]

Knife psyker is so OP, I totally play in damnation all the time and am totally not getting carried so my opinion matters on this

[supple skiff]

godspeed sibling

[wanton cove]

Yeah for sure. I am not good enough yet to comfortably run 5s. I struggle when I have a team that doesn’t take care of the mid range gunners outside of my purgatus range

If I get a team that’s diligently on ranged and specials. Uff. Such smooth runs

[tender terrace]

post mission table

[dawn orchid]

Needs to be nerfed honestly, warp charge damage boost applies to bleed.

[viscid forum]

Thats why i run a gun on my psyker honestly.

[blissful hill]

thats where trauma staff gets a ton of value, creating space for your tream

[dawn orchid]

Post cat

[tender terrace]

dodging more times than a force sword

[wanton cove]

@viscid forum I just can’t. It feels wrong haha

[dawn orchid]

That's not a cat picture, I accept your concession

[viscid forum]

Ill usually run voidstaff, flame staff or gun

combo'd with dueling sword for hordes

[lapis bay]

can someone tell me why tf +experience exists in a game where you hit cap in like 3 hours? FML

[blissful hill]

fatshark just types "different types of stats" into google then pulls like the first 30 things they see

[viscid forum]

For slower players like me who dont play often so we just flaty out get that much closer that fast i guess? IDK i only do like 4 matches a day.

[mighty vault]

Psyker joins team? = KICK

[viscid forum]

I dont even use + exp tbh

[mighty pike]

Excited for the curio that gives me +insulin levels

[blissful hill]

exp items could make sense if items were tradeable between chars on an account

[lapis bay]

Understandable, and my bad for the sweeping statement, just upset that I got it lmao

[blissful hill]

ahh but its Warp Insulin so its canon

[mighty vault]

Um I'm warp diabetic and this is ableist

[blissful hill]

too much pyskering when you were a kid?

[pale crescent]

Do you guys have trouble playing with other psykers?

[viscid forum]

Nah thats understandable honestly

[pale crescent]

I found myself competing for brain bursts

[mighty vault]

It's Type 1 >_<

[viscid forum]

It doesnt take long to level up

[viscid forum]

I have trouble playing psyker in general 😛

[mighty vault]

I have trouble playing with any multiples because it makes the game a lot less fun

[dawn orchid]

I almost never see psykers anymore

[mighty vault]

You have to play psyker to see psykers

The matchmaker does its best to put 3+ of a single class in every team

[sonic aspen]

I had a 3 psyker heresy run with surge, void, and purge

[mighty vault]

sounds awful

[twilit flicker]

That sounds amazing

[summer wind]

probably good tbh

[blissful hill]

ˢᴵᴮᴸᴵᴺᴳ SIBLING sibling

[craggy willow]

Progression sells to nerds like sex sells to normies

[blissful hill]

multiple psykers is cute af, like wholesome cult members

[craggy willow]

Zealots, but nicer?

[mighty pike]

Asexual gang (?)

[blissful hill]

https://tenor.com/view/dream-journal-shark-boy-and-lava-girl-expelled-gif-19547623

all hail the original pysker

[mighty pike]

I do like the way the psykers are generally nice to one another. I haven't seen any meanness between them

[sonic aspen]

have him expelled

[viscid forum]

I actually just got out of a run where someone had surge, another had trauma and i had void.

[blissful hill]

skippedydoo we're all just dreamin

[pale crescent]

who is our siblings beloved? do they have different beloveds? is it the emperor or chaos demon who likes them

[sonic aspen]

the dreamer

[night marten]

love me some progression

[mighty pike]

He THINKS it's the Emperor. We don't actually know what it is though. Could be

[craggy willow]

Big-E is the popular presumption

[mighty vault]

More like POGression, amirite

[elfin roost]

Pogga?

[sonic aspen]

it's slaanesh in my head canon

[night marten]

eh, it's ok

[mighty pike]

He outright says "my beloved didn't mean it like that" after an ogryn quotes the emperor so I can confirm he thinks it's the emperor

[elfin roost]

[craggy willow]

Based

[craggy willow]

This is my favorite Psyker quote, bar none.

[pale crescent]

or someone impersonating the emperor

[elfin roost]

Zealots probably draw heretics as the soy wojak

[craggy willow]

The idea that the Warp somehow clues them in to the fact that the Emperor in his golden years was a fedora wearing atheist and didn't wanna be a martyr is rad.

[craggy willow]

I think the line was closer to "He didn't mean for any of this to happen" iirc

Unless there's multiple lines about it

It was extremely striking the first time I heard it

[mighty pike]

Could be. Mine was in response to an ogryn saying something

[craggy willow]

Ah

[fluid knot]

Both of those things sell to nerds. We got it rough with effective marketing techniques 😂

[silver pagoda]

does anyone run +max stamina on a curio or is it pretty much always toughness and vitality for psykers?

[mighty vault]

+3 Wound

[craggy willow]

Big facts. Stay strong king.

[mighty vault]

I want to play psyker but still need like 3 zealot missions for Sainted Path (3) 😭

[mighty pike]

So when do we start shipping characters

[blissful hill]

ur late

psyker and ogryn eloped in late november

[orchid venture]

I've seen a few psyker outfits that have a green sash on them, or green markings. does that green symbolize anything?

[mighty pike]

Ah which ones though. You got to be more specific

[sonic aspen]

average perils of the warp user psyker

[blissful hill]

"better than red"

[mighty vault]

yeah they're trans

[mighty pike]

The green sash is a premium clothing, if it's the one around the midriff

[orchid venture]

fuck yeah

[mighty pike]

Famously green is the colour of trans people yes

[mighty vault]

only as it pertains to psyking, turns out

[blissful hill]

TIL trans ppl are irish

[fluid knot]

I thought it was the colour of pot but there we go

Ho hum

[orchid venture]

theres the free one you get that also has a green sash, and green around the hat

[mighty pike]

Oh yeah you're right. Idk about those

[mighty vault]

Couldn't get rid of the christmas hood fast enough lmao

[orchid venture]

I would stop wearing it, but I need to get these last two penances done

actually thats another question, when doing the "kill a monstrosity with only brain burst" penance, can two psykers get it at the same time if they both only brain burst?

[mighty vault]

No

[mighty pike]

Hm. Hmmm. I presume not

[mighty vault]

One player needs 90% of the damage

[orchid venture]

alright, thank goodness I didn't attempt it lol

woulda ruined it for both of us

[mighty vault]

ruin it for them if they didn't ask, always

My man looks like a lion tamer

[orchid venture]

nah it was a premade of 3 going for it, and we found a DH

I was the 4th not in the premade

[hazy locust]

The blue striped pants in the armory match that psyker jacket

[silver pagoda]

the premium pants for ogryn and psyker this time are op

[mighty pike]

This time? Has it updated?

[silver pagoda]

I mean, the leopard pants and circus pants

[fluid knot]

No, but behold....

[mighty vault]

I would, but I just ate

[fluid knot]

Bit rude Oro 😂

[blissful hill]

im pretty too

[fluid knot]

Yeah i rate that drip too tbh

[lapis bay]

My boy lookin like Riddick about to hit up a club

[hazy locust]

Ooo nice idea on the green pants my guy

[mighty vault]

No veterans unless I'm playing veteran

[mighty pike]

https://tenor.com/view/hmmm-thinking-will-smith-gif-15302481

[blissful hill]

most important choice in this game is what color prison threads you get

[mighty pike]

https://tenor.com/view/nod-kermit-nod-nodding-gif-24624072

[mighty vault]

That controlled my decision on that question on every character as well

not like any of them fucking matter

[lapis bay]

I carry that backpack for all the ammo to carry the team

[mighty pike]

So what psyker cosmetic has the fingerless gloves?

[tender terrace]

the paid dlc i think

imperial or whatever

[blissful hill]

"storm witch's Duty Raiment" i think its an unlockable

might be other fingerless but thats the first i found

[blissful hill]

ah yeah the mortis operative battlegear too

[frail berry]

Best blessings for Antax outside of brutal momentum?

[bronze hound]

Guys, I just hit 30 on my psyker and I'm lost as fck. Is this any good?

[crimson shell]

That isn't bad

[austere estuary]

Another decent purgation staff, can't wait for it to roll awful blessing #2

[mighty vault]

or good lol

[crimson shell]

I tend to dump mobility on dueling swords since it is already extremely mobile without the stat being high

[warm flint]

i would recommend going with the mk5 dueling sword with mobility instead of cleave, of course, use what you got, but that's my rec

[silver pagoda]

I'd reroll the +damage to elites

[bronze hound]

Thanks. Any advice on staff? Is surge good on t4-t5? Or should I get a purgatus?

[bronze hound]

Will try that too. Right now this is what I got, yeah

[warm flint]

am i really so alone in seeing the quell speed mod as one of the most important rolls...

[mighty vault]

Hope they buff veteran to make it fun so people will play it again

[mighty pike]

Defence instead of cleave?

[austere estuary]

yeah it is

[mighty vault]

Surge is great if you don't feel like playing

[bronze hound]

what do I want instead?

[austere estuary]

this is why this is my purgatus that I use

[warm flint]

yes,, my mistake, thank you, defence, not cleave

[crimson shell]

With how I personally play I've found purge works in t4 and beyond

You ideally want high damage, cloud radius, and burn everything else is personal preference

[mighty vault]

man you guys have some shit weapons

[warm flint]

yes! that is excellent

[bronze hound]

This is my current staff

Not sure if I should dump it, consecrate it...

[lapis bay]

Not bad if you get surge blessing

[covert valve]

its nice for fishing for elites or higher density mobs while throwing a few non charged voidstrikes at out at outlier

[acoustic mountain]

how does Bloodthirsty work?

is it duration based or lasts for x attacks?

[warm flint]

i think it's mediocre in the sense that for a 346, it's semi-evenly dispersed so it doesn't lack too much anywhere, but could be better overall

[hollow steeple]

i did it boys
I found the worst trauma staff possible

[warm flint]

the next perk and blessing could make or break it

[bronze hound]

Yeah, it is what it is after all... 1st staff at lvl 30 and something ... Balanced? what blessing could make or break it? warp nexus is good I think, maybe?

I don't think I will put my hands on a 370-380 staff anytime soon tho. Happened only once, so I have no hope at all tbh

[mighty vault]

Love when people won't drop even though a bunch of ogryns and a BoNurgle have spawned

[warm flint]

warp nexus would be good for damage and the one that gives +rend would be good for support

[bronze hound]

And the cursed blessing that will turn my humble staff into a mess?

[warm flint]

just conc it and see what you get, you will be able to change it later

when crafting is released

[mighty vault]

Coming Soon, in 2024

[bronze hound]

Yeah, that's true.

Oh btw, I have a devil's claw 372 that maybe have potential, is it good for psykers or nah?

[silver pagoda]

I seriously can't believe we still have no news about the other crafting options

[sonic aspen]

the year is 40023 and crafting still isn't released

[warm flint]

good for cc, but if you are using surge, you want to take a higher dps melee, imo

[silver pagoda]

like the options are already in the game, it's not like they have no plan, it's just like too much work to actually do it apparently

[magic burrow]

they call it warhammer 40k because it takes 40000 years before the game is basic feature complete

[bronze hound]

Thank you very much sir, appreciate the help

[sonic aspen]

Hadron is gonna die from old age before she lets us finish crafting

[silver pagoda]

I'm losing my damn mind waiting for a metal fab map with a secondary objective to come up for my contract, this is the worst

[bronze hound]

Aaaaand this is what I got

[mighty pike]

I'd like a surge staff in my shop.

Haven't seen any for a week

[frail berry]

Would you take this one all the way to transcendent or wait it out for one with different stats? Worried about first target?

[warm flint]

it's not the best, but it's viable

reroll the infested damage and you will be good, either crit change or flak dmg

[warm flint]

i wouldn't roll that for psyker, waste of resources imo

[frail berry]

Stick with dueling or force?

[warm flint]

they both are good, it depends on your playstyle, but i prefer mk5 duel sword

[bronze hound]

Will do! Ty again!