psyker-class

[light citrus]

WTF

[long wharf]

anyways, we still need two psykers to team up to test AB funkiness

[violet thorn]

Tzeenches gift

[long wharf]

the emperor has seen what you do in your spare time. it's time to repent or use that staff until you explode

[mighty pike]

the psyker hivemind:

[violet thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-monster-rotfl-gif-14520250

[warped perch]

RIP

[pine hearth]

anybody heard of surge blessing?

never seen it and cant find info

[pine hearth]

well never seen it until today

[cyan notch]

yea someone posted in here before

rolled on a void staff

[pine hearth]

did they add new blessings?

seeing alot I dont remember before

[cyan notch]

theyre just rare cuz they only roll as tier 4s

[idle bay]

I have mixed feeling about this Melk's sale....

[light citrus]

Upgrade or not?

[violet thorn]

no, the base is jank af

311 is dogwater asooming you are lv 30

[light citrus]

79% Burn 80%DMG

[violet thorn]

yea but the stat total is bad 12% WR

[jovial frigate]

yeah but your resist is so low you actually lose one extra potential channel of purg

[violet thorn]

anything blue below 400 is bad

[jovial frigate]

before u have 2 quell

[violet thorn]

I mean still use it if you dont have anything better but nah dont waste crafting material

[jovial frigate]

hooo baby

good shop this morning

[violet thorn]

too bad TB is redundant

still good stat total doe

[lucid terrace]

Too bad Voidstrike sucks.

[jovial frigate]

its ok on voidstrike imo

[lucid terrace]

Trauma is still the best.

[violet thorn]

Purgatus is still too good on Heresy+

[jovial frigate]

its not great but itll do until rebless

[lucid terrace]

No

[jovial frigate]

honestly

[violet thorn]

factually yes, you get the suppression and dot

[near wyvern]

Warp resist is dog 💩

[lucid terrace]

No

Trauma is the best staff.

[violet thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/21-whats9plus10-you-stupid-no-im-not-gif-23027084

[lucid terrace]

21

[jovial frigate]

found this trauma the other day too, was going to upgrade it anyway to purp to see if it gets a dece perk

heres my purg

[violet thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/borat-borat-very-nice-verynice-thumbs-up-gif-25080066

next year when you get blessing reroll that'll be clean af

[near wyvern]

Juicy stats. When they unlock blessing exchange you can just ditch the barrage

A bit unfortunate to leave the 8% crit damage tho. That is not really good.

[jovial frigate]

ye

[light citrus]

380

[jovial frigate]

it was either rerolly 8 crit dmg or the like 8% groaner poxwalker. Chose to have 1 more damage against all targets

secret buff to allow soulblaze to crit when

[near wyvern]

I would probably roll the unyielding to flak

Juicy stuff juicy stuff

[jovial frigate]

huh

random staff off milk man lottery today for 250 milks too

[mighty pike]

I don't trust the milkman

Every random item has been grey

[near wyvern]

That can't be right. Milkman is a scam.

[pine hearth]

almost always are

[jovial frigate]

you shouldnt, he is just 2 diff forms of gamba

[pine hearth]

but a chance for 380 base

[mighty pike]

I don't do "chances"

They're a gateway to the warp

[pine hearth]

there adding slot machines next patch

[mighty pike]

Gambling with Imperium resources is against the Lex. In this essay, I will

[pine hearth]

1 spin every 30 days

[light citrus]

Ranking of staff 1. Purg 2. surge 3. void strike 4. Trauma

[pine hearth]

all are viable

depends what you need

or want

[south zephyr]

any good?

[mighty pike]

Yeah it's personal preference except trauma staff

[pine hearth]

ive seen some good trauma staff users

looks like a headache though

yeah sword looks good

[light quail]

trauma staff slaps

[light citrus]

Dagger Vs Duel Sworf

[mighty pike]

Slaps all of the enemies behind my own teammates

[pine hearth]

sword

[light quail]

no means as widespread as voidstrike or taser staff
but my god the sfx and feel

[pine hearth]

I use chainsword though

charged with a block attack half hp's maulers

[light quail]

chainsword is alright

I like my axes

[pine hearth]

and its fast

[supple skiff]

https://prnt.sc/hqfHwEUSTaUl found this in shop

[pine hearth]

not locked into an animation like the heavy

[light quail]

not much cleave but axes fuck shit up

[south zephyr]

if damage and radius had been swapped, would be perfect

[supple skiff]

oh right, dmg doesnt do much on purge

ah well not like i ndont have the dockets to spend lol

[violet thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/i-am-the-milkman-milk-explode-throw-animation-gif-16271967

[south zephyr]

Guess my psyker is geared for surging now

[mighty pike]

Very nice

[long wharf]

we need to start a petition to get everyone calling Sour Milk's currencies "milkies"

[wise quail]

Just did a mission run with a Trauma staff, can't say I'm a fan of it

[loud peak]

Doesn't stack up compared to the others at all

The only niche I found for it is running it with a shield Ogryn, and even then it's only barely more effective than the purg

It should apply soulblaze at the very least

[wise quail]

Hard to aim as well

Wouldn't mind if it created its charge where you cross hair is instead of the weird aiming upwards mechanic to extend it

[proud mantle]

I dont think I've seen anyone use an external application for screenshots

[clear heath]

I'm tempted gamble these on some curios with how shit my shops have been

do i?

[proud mantle]

No

[warm flint]

anyone know if the transfer peril blessing works with surge staff?

[clear heath]

I'll just get like 12 curios

surely it couldn't be that bad

[proud mantle]

https://tenor.com/view/clueless-aware-twitch-forsen-emote-gif-25354609

[silk stream]

Does anyone know if soulblaze still applies the effect to enemies that makes them take more damage from all sources like how agony did in the beta? I at least heard that’s how it used to work and was never able to find if it still does that

[clear heath]

well

it's all shit

[fast swan]

so does sustained fire apply to void staff right click?

not just the primary?

[ebon jolt]

I got a 380 staff 😑

[jovial frigate]

pretty fire rolls if you ask me

make it blue at least, if you get a good blessing take it oj

[orchid venture]

yo wait a second... why does this curio tell me it has a blessing on it?

[clear heath]

they always have a blessing

[orchid venture]

oh you're right nevermind lol

I saw it was green and thought "what the hell? game must be bugged"

[supple skiff]

started using it cause another game discord i was in only let you post links and not files, just didnt stop using it

[proud mantle]

Sheesh that's kinda dumb for a discord

[wise quail]

I think Void is my favourite staff so far, I like the range option and being able to send a massive missile down a packed corridor

[long wharf]

I don't think the surge staff can roll the peril transfer blessing

[fast swan]

How does sustained fire work on void staff right click?

[desert skiff]

psykers, y'know that penance where you gotta keep full warp charge stacks for 5 mins? Is it uhh broken? or am I jsut failing?

[long wharf]

I'm not sure that it does

I've not tested it, though

[warm flint]

I'm not sure if it can or can't roll, but it was just confirmed on the FS forum today that it doesn't hit weakspots so any surge staff with weak spot damage or blessings that effect weakspots is a waste

same goes for trauma and purgatus - https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/surge-staff-secondary-charge-up-action-cant-hit-weak-spots/72312/2

[hollow steeple]

should I keep these perks, and if not, which should I try and reroll to?

[solemn violet]

Are you playing on Malice difficulty at least?

[summer prairie]

Seranov: you want +infested if that weapon uses heavies for the horde

[hollow steeple]

this is the one with the down and then up strikedown heavies

[summer prairie]

oh, well then it's probably not very good

+horde lets lights two-shot poxwalkers

[hollow steeple]

fair

[long wharf]

I mean, I could have told you that

it's obvious surge doesn't hit weakspots

it's obvious neither does trauma

nor purge

[desert skiff]

Ya

[solemn violet]

It worked for me after they fixed the difficulty requirement (it used to be bugged to need Heresy)

[desert skiff]

I'm a bit confused because it says I hit 221/300, but I hadn't even tried yet. I've since put in a handful of serious attempts and the number hasn't gone up. :<

Oh hm..

I don't even think I've played heresy on my psyker yet. Still low lvl.

[solemn violet]

You understand it's 5 minutes consecutively, not total?

[desert skiff]

Ya

If it was total I'd have done it easily by now

Err assuming I understand how you are using those words 👀

[solemn violet]

Yeah I'm not sure what to say, but I know keeping it up was real touch and go sometimes

[desert skiff]

I understand it that I have to have 4 stacks continuously for 5 minutes.

[solemn violet]

Had to sprint forward to find something to bb to keep it up

[summer prairie]

anyone around who has a FS with unstable power and can test it a bit?

[rocky cedar]

Yo could anyone here help me with trauma staff optimisation? What perks/blessings are favoured for it and are there any notable break points to shoot for?

[solemn violet]

What are the reasons to use trauma staff over pyro? Its role is also close range crowd control, right? Is it for the fact that trauma has the pew-pew main attack?

[rocky cedar]

I'm not really here to argue meta staffs, was just hoping to get some help with break points and the like

I enjoy playing trauma more than Purgatus, that's really 90% of my reason for using it over that

[solemn violet]

Oh, I'm not trying to argue meta. I just like to burn stuff

[rocky cedar]

I do think Trauma's incredibly high stagger and ability to insta delete large swathes of horde feels very valuable when a dense horde mixed with lots of elites is bearing down on you

[solemn violet]

Insta delete? Fully charged though, right?

[rocky cedar]

I think it might be a little underrated but I wouldn't purport to have put enough hours into Psyker to make good judgements about overall effectiveness though

[rocky cedar]

Yeah on a full charge

Only in the epicenter but with high blast radius stat you can get a fair bit in that space

[solemn violet]

I run Voidstrike most of the time. It feels better for crowd clearing to me when fully charged. Plus I like the explosions.

[supple skiff]

see a news bullet notification

see they brought on another CM for damage control

[mighty pike]

I love learning about the community team

[warm flint]

VS has better horde clear and easier peril upkeep, especially with the right blessings than trauma.

[rocky cedar]

To me voidstrike feels better for crowd clearing pure trash hordes or dealing with shooters but much less effective at dealing with mixed hordes

Trauma's peril cost is certainly steep but with peril resist on warp charge and a high quell speed stat it feels manageable to me especially since I spend a fair bit of time in melee with a duelling sword

[solemn violet]

I could see the argument for trauma, even at low charge you get a lot of stagger on a crowd

[light quail]

this fucking game

[fluid zenith]

Can you think of a sound better than Voidstrike weakspot hit?

[light quail]

2 bulwarks
2 trappers
pogryn

heresy is so fun

[warm flint]

i will be honest here and say that I think the peril resist with warp charges is a waste due to the fact that you shouldn't focus on maintaining warp charge stacks

[solemn violet]

Absolutely not, up-close voidstrike shots are my favorite sound in the game, even over chainsword

[rocky cedar]

The stagger range also goes way beyond the circle indicator on a high blast radius roll, it's surprising how inaccurate that indicator is

[light quail]

trauma aoe
so loud

[rocky cedar]

I don't really focus on it I let the 4% on kills in coherency and kinetic flayer do most of the upkeep.

[warm flint]

which is fine, but to then pair that with the peril resist feat is not a good combo

[rocky cedar]

I don't understand why sorry?

[fluid zenith]

4% turns into ~40%(at least) when you're shooting into a horde lol

[warm flint]

because you will rarely have max stacks and even more rarely maintain max stacks

much better to use psykinetic wrath for the damage increase

[light quail]

tbh I like the idea of charges but they dont do much

they ought to have charges majorly buff BB (greater efficiency, dmg and charge time decrease)

[fluid zenith]

I went deaf for a couple seconds because I blew up a fully charged trauma staff under my feet (one of my first times with a trauma staff and I had no idea how it worked)

[rocky cedar]

I already one shot horde mobs and the usefulness against elites is mostly stagger and chip damage anyway? So struggling to see how that would give more benefits than more casts before quelling.

[warm flint]

i guess i will mention that i am talking about haz 5 builds, you can do whatever you want on 3 and below

[rocky cedar]

I assumed as much, but does that feat actually help you reach any breakpoints in Damnation?

[warm flint]

and having high peril resist is bad for toughness regen with quietude which i think is the best option for toughness

[rocky cedar]

I also like Quietude but it's not like it's hard to fill your peril with trauma regardless

You just get to use it a little more before putting it away again

Also I mash hordes with duelling sword a lot so I find kinetic flayer procs frequently in less than 25 seconds and with the amount of enemies dying my warp charges seem to stay pretty full most of the time

[stone gate]

Voidstrike that rips through several weakspots, making a nice velcro-like sound

[rocky cedar]

Sure they drop off between encounters sometimes but they come back quick enough

[warm flint]

this is where our playstyles are just different, you are using the dueling sword to kill hordes

[mighty vault]

Trauma is terrible lol

[rocky cedar]

Well yeah ultimately trauma just suits my play style of a very frontline Psyker

Not really trying to argue how it measures up anyway, more just why I enjoy it

[mighty vault]

They should've just copy-pasted conflag and made it at least apply soulblaze or something.

[warm flint]

yeah, this is where we are just fundamentally different on what the psyker is, to me, not frontline, but backline supporting the frontline dps and watching the rear

[mighty vault]

As is uselessly flinging everything apart just makes it take longer to kill, whereas stagger in place would at least facilitate killing everything with AOE.

i.e.; what purgatus does

[rocky cedar]

I'm playing Psyker after 100+ hours of Zealot and playing Sienna very melee heavy in VT2 so yeah this is just what I'm used to/enjoy

[mighty vault]

Except conflag is good

[warm flint]

which is fine, play in the way that is fun for you

[mighty vault]

If you find any blessings that make trauma not a detriment to the team, let me know

[rocky cedar]

Anyway my original question was just what perks people think is best for it

[mighty vault]

yeah that's our question too

[warm flint]

i would agree with oro here

[mighty vault]

the suppress on close range kill one, I guess, maybe, idk

[rocky cedar]

I was legitimately sad to hear the soulblaze on crit blessing only works on primary fire

That is so sad and dog shit TBH

[mighty vault]

The primary fire on all the staffs is garbage

[warm flint]

that i wouldn't completely agree with, they have their specific uses

[rocky cedar]

It's slightly less awful on Surge since at least it crits a bunch but still rarely useful

[mighty vault]

Like it does not behave like a proper projectile whatsoever, you have to stand perfectly still and rest your mouse on a target to like allow the extruder to catch up to the cursor or something or it will fly off to the side

It's just bad. None of the guns behave this way.

[warm flint]

I have seen this before, albeit it's rare enough that it doesn't really have that much difference

[mighty vault]

Feels like mouse acceleration or inherited cursor momentum or some crazy shit, and is the only firetype in the game that does it.

Rare? It's every shot, sir

[rocky cedar]

If it had faster projectile velocity I'd consider it but it's just feels very awkward

[mighty vault]

It's reverse Wanted bullet curving

In that it doesn't shoot at what you snap your cursor to, but lags behind it, lol

[vale nacelle]

I’d chalk it up to prefire delay and slower projectile speed.

It’s a learned skill.

[mighty vault]

I've started moving the cursor PAST my target in order to compensate and that's real bad for muscle memory so I typically just don't use the primary fire except in extremely low-density situations where I don't feel like charging up secondary of whatever staff

[warm flint]

That's not my experience at all. Sometimes, rarely, yes, the warp shot will veer off center, but still land within the crosshairs, but it's not every shot, even when moving.

[mighty vault]

It's a bad skill to learn, see above

[vale nacelle]

That’s called leading your target?

[mighty vault]

Unless you never plan to use an actual gun again

You don't lead stationary targets, sir

[warm flint]

It is a projectile so you have to lead the target and also compensate for your ping. Shoott where the enemy will be, not where it was.

[mighty vault]

That's more like leading your own hand

If your cursor position is tracked server side it's an issue, lmao

Although that would honestly explain a lot.

[frail berry]

Perks to aim for on voidstrike? Is this worth leveling up to trans? Ty all!

[solemn violet]

I personally love Transfer Peril

[vale nacelle]

Flak damage at least.

[mighty vault]

Probably the one you got since I imagine it's the only staff that can hit weakspots with its secondary.

Or do you actually mean perks

[warm flint]

That is worth leveling up for sure. Hopefully you get a good blessing roll

If not, keep it and wait for the refine blessing function to come out

[mighty vault]

I'd want a higher blast radius roll on a voidstrike, personally

[warm flint]

as for a second perk, it depends on what you want it to be good at

[mighty vault]

Probably 2nd/3rd most important stat and it's the lowest roll on that one.

[warm flint]

the charged projectile is still large enough that headshots will still be easy

[mighty vault]

Hitting other stuff is what makes it good

Otherwise you could just bring a gun, lol

[frail berry]

ty!

[long wharf]

blast radius isn't as critical as you think

[solemn violet]

Gun doesn't synergize with most psyker talents and uses ammo though, right?

[long wharf]

the actual value range is 2~4

[mighty vault]

Yeah that's why I said 2nd or 3rd, lol

[mighty vault]

Neither do most staffs lmao

There's like one force weapon feat. There's a pile of soulblaze ones, though, which is why purgatus is best :^)

[violet thorn]

I feel like TP on Purg is actually broken

I cannot test this atm

but on paper it looks nutty

[solemn violet]

Does Purg get weak spot hits?

[warm flint]

no

[solemn violet]

That'd be why then

[warm flint]

the only staff that can get weak spot hits is void

I mean, using the RMB

[solemn violet]

How many targets can Surge hit? Is that affected by charge? It feels really bad for trying to do anything to groups. It feels like surge is mostly for shutting down small ranged squads at distance?

[mighty pike]

IF i understand right surge is for locking down enemies

not necessarily killing them, just tying them up with electroshock therapy

also it has the range purgatus lacks

[warm flint]

i think it's up to 5, but i swear sometimes it looks like it hits more

[long wharf]

surge can also reliably kill scabs

if you charge it enough

[solemn violet]

Yeah I just mean when I use surge on a big group it feels basically useless

[summer prairie]

it's bad against horde and dregs, that's about it

[long wharf]

because that's what it's bad at

[warm flint]

surge staff is better when you are in a coordinated group

[covert valve]

what about the blast radius roll on voidstrike do you like? have you tested one with low and one with max?

[long wharf]

only use surge on a group if you're trying to give the teammate closest to the group some more reaction time

running surge means you need a horde clearing melee weapon

like the Mk V Combat Axe

[solemn violet]

I think you mean chainsword 🙂

[mighty pike]

ew

[floral solstice]

devil sword with good blessings is good for hordes too

[solemn violet]

But I like the sound of the chainsword

[mighty pike]

play Zealot and use the eviscerator. THAT is a good sounding chainsword

[mighty vault]

No, because I've literally never seen any stat roll below like 30%, how would you even get something like that

[solemn violet]

I don't want to play Zealot because I want to be a wizard

[warm flint]

Again, this depends on your playstyle and what you find fun, but from my experience as someone who plays with a coordinated team doing damnation, I use the sruge to support the team and bring the duelling sword for horde "control" and survivability

[covert valve]

then without testing how do you know you want higher blast radius? is it just a feeling>?

[mighty vault]

man I thought that said chain axe as a horde clearing weapon and I was like 'wut'

[mighty vault]

🙄

[long wharf]

you want a higher blast radius if you can get it, as it's noticeable when you hit a mauler in the horde and the enemies around him stagger

it's just not as important as damage

[mighty vault]

No no, you can't hex-edit your rolls to 0% so you have no idea what you want

[long wharf]

he asked a serious question, and you responded with retarded hyperbole

[mighty pike]

argument time

[mighty vault]

The image literally has a 0% roll and I asked how you get that. "Retarded hyperbole"

[long wharf]

because it's possible for modifiers to roll 0

[mighty vault]

I have never seen a 0% roll on any stat in almost 400 hours.

[long wharf]

I have, as have many people here

[summer prairie]

I posted a 0% damage roll earlier too

[long wharf]

we've shared screenshots

[mighty vault]

Great, that's why I asked how that happens, and expressed that such things are not available to me to test

[covert valve]

it doesnt have to be 0% i just mentioned low roll vs high roll

[mighty vault]

Then I change my answer to "yes," glad we cleared that up. It seemed a lot like you were gatekeeping "low" to mean 0%.

Which meant I also assumed you meant "max" was 100%, another value I do not have access to.

[desert skiff]

I got the warp battery penance btw, just had to try a bit more, have some luck, etc.

[warm flint]

nice! grats!

[desert skiff]

thank

[warm flint]

now you can go for the pick n mix penance, good luck with that lol!

[mighty vault]

Warp Battery is ez pz, especially on any map with decently long holdouts like Consignment Yard

[desert skiff]

yea I saw that one.. sheesh

[desert skiff]

yeahh I had a long holdout I was doing it on, then I crashed. 🙂

[mighty vault]

oof

As soon as they introduced that map I got it, though, without even trying

[desert skiff]

Btw what is "perils of the warp explosion" :|

[warm flint]

tbh, pick n mix i got relatively easy, the opportunity presented itself and i didn't know i was gonna get it until like 2 seconds before it popped

[mighty vault]

When you keep psyking after 100%

[desert skiff]

ah heck

[solemn violet]

Yeah I'm never gonna get the suicide one except by accident

[warm flint]

i would recommend a high int 4 mission and target a group of ragers

[mighty vault]

For reference I got pick n mix on Comms-Plex 154/2f, during the interrogator holdout before the finale on the roof

[violet thorn]

hunting grounds actually is pretty good to try it

since it spawns more specials

[mighty vault]

Take the 3rd feat in the last tier that boosts BB speed and warp resistance

[warped perch]

I hate doggos in this game

[covert valve]

Here is the blast radius test, the enemies might not have been lined up exactly but its roughly the difference between 0% and 79%. the further radius hits up to 20 dmg and trips a little where as the 0% further mobs are not effected I had to get @long wharf scenario to test it bcuz I couldnt tell the difference from firing it into hordes and hitting an elite in the back https://youtu.be/JgkCtovamao

[steel egret]

You guys should visit steam forums some time

some big thinking going there

[long wharf]

... I doubt that

[steel egret]

[mighty vault]

The steam forums are hilarious.

[ornate hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/see-myself-out-gif-21716927

[warm flint]

sibling, please, sort by name lol

[mighty vault]

It's entirely CC that I'd want more blast radius for, to shore up what the voidstrike is bad at.

[covert valve]

sorry was under pressure!

[mighty vault]

Really weren't, lol, there are zero stakes in convincing me that blast radius is less than "2nd or 3rd most important" roll or whatever your objective is.

I don't even like the voidstrike enough to care.

[ebon jolt]

What’s the base crit % for staves?

[covert valve]

yeah from the example above its dumping 79 important stats for this effect

[covert valve]

it wasnt on the listed of base crit weapons so im guessing 0 so then your personal pysker crit is 5% but not 100% sure on this outside of the surge staff ofc with 21% crit at 80%

[mighty vault]

Surge staff actually does do extra damage to carapace, though.

You can look at the breakdown screen

It made it kind of a hassle corraling ogryns for Heavyweight

[steel egret]

Yeah its a ridicilous thread.

[mighty vault]

Because crushers would keep dying

[mighty vault]

lol

Stunbotting just isn't fun.

[light quail]

honestly I find psyker hard to play on heresy
brainblast doesnt 1 hit specials in a diff that loves to spam them

vet does your job way easier

:(

[mighty pike]

Surprised anyone sees a crusher and their neurons activate in any other way than "brainburst"

[magic burrow]

veteran's going "why is this dude bringing a stick to a gunfight"

[near wyvern]

BB at Damnation is for:

• killing ranged trash mobs across the map
• killing Gunners, Bombers and Snipers
• supressing Flamers, Reapers and Crushers
• opening up Bulwakrs
• killing dogs who are running away

That's it.

[mighty pike]

Reasons not to play Damnation:

[mighty vault]

Nah, psyker's great in heresy, it's kind of a jack of all trades class. You can snipe out of the way targets from cover, pop threats as soon as they round corners, shore up hordeclear with purgatus, shore up elite melee defense with force sword, and soften up distant elites with BB or finish them.

You don't have to do any one thing yourself, it's a team game

[mighty pike]

You just have to fight twice as hard to do it

[mighty vault]

Well no. You let everyone else fight less hard to do it

[magic burrow]

we should be allowed to brainburst teammates

[mighty pike]

I can't play psyker at that level as easily as other classes. It takes more skill to do all of the above simultaneously

[warped perch]

Flamers should theoretically be in the same category as gunners, bombers and snipers. It's weird how fatshark made them more resistant

[mighty vault]

Maybe, but that's what makes psyker fun and other classes monotonous, I guess.

[mighty pike]

That's what I meant by "fight twice as hard". Extra effort

[mighty vault]

To me, anyway.

[light quail]

I find ogryn the most fun class

[mighty pike]

They don't have a brain to burst

[mighty vault]

I'd rather have something to do than be bored tbh

[warped perch]

I like psyker cuz it's a challenge, I'm always on the edge of my seat trying to figure out the best way to handle a situation

[mighty vault]

Now if you want to have to try way harder than everyone else to get comparable results, play zealot, imo

[light quail]

also i stg zealots have tiny tiny brains
mfw knife zealot charges into a horde and gets nearly instakilled

[mighty vault]

If you want the best results and the least effort, play veteran

[warped perch]

I've found vet and zealot to be incredibly boring :/

[mighty vault]

And enjoy being burned out in less than 100 hours

[mighty pike]

Veterans can't melee I'm pretty sure

[light quail]

vet and zealot are opposites in boring
zealot is melee guy
veteran is CoD guy

[mighty vault]

Really, veterans I play with refuse to put their fucking sword away and do their jobs, most times

[light quail]

psyker and ogs are the fun classes

[warped perch]

Ogryn is more fun to me just cuz it's an ogryn lol

[mighty vault]

You don't need to charge into the wall of flamer/purgatus fire with your sword, please instead shoot the multiple dreg gunners across the room

[warped perch]

Who doesn't love ogryn

[steel egret]

Sparkies and Ogies

[light quail]

they gave ogryn the most fun kit

the sheer fun of grenade box is understated

[warped perch]

Grenade box frustrates me cuz I seem to always miss my throws lol

[light quail]

psyker is nice too but dear god your health pool is pathetic

[mighty vault]

Yeah, the grenade throwing system is really bad for ogryn box in particular

[mighty pike]

My vets don't do either, they point-blank fire their xantrael mk xii into poxwalker

[warped perch]

That's why I like the challenge

[covert valve]

great those are the 2 classes I have at 30 haha

[mighty vault]

You're not supposed to be getting hit

[warped perch]

I feel like you def have to have more situational awareness

[light quail]

neither is vet and he has 200hp base

[mighty vault]

...No, he doesn't.

[light quail]

this
one guy behind you = you're fucked

[ebon jolt]

Vet has 200 toughness and 150 hp.

[light quail]

oh yeah 200 tough
got em wrong

[steel egret]

Generally feel like carrying deadweight with 0 awarness, walking past scriptures while looking for scriptures ( I presume ), having enemies nuke them to beef while they sprint from behind

[warped perch]

I'm constantly turning around in horde events because I'm scarred by the amount of times I've been suddenly mobbed from behind

[steel egret]

walking to daemonhosts

[mighty vault]

Toughness is the ranged damage mitigation resource, though, so it kind of makes sense to allow vet to trade at range properly.

Psyker can literally lock on to someone and step behind cover, so they shouldn't need as much

[clear heath]

yeah but vet also has 75% ranged damage reduction on skill

[mighty pike]

In the grim darkness of the far future there's always one guy behind you

[mighty vault]

Yeah, because again, that's his job.

[steel egret]

3 vet and 3 camo expert

Dont get shot!

[clear heath]

75% ranged damage reduction and double toughness is way overkill

[mighty vault]

In that case I just stand behind a wall and wait for them to clear the ranged from an area entirely

[ebon jolt]

Hm...

[mighty vault]

Fuck 'em

[light quail]

in the grim darkness of the 41st millenium
5 guys are always behind you and 20 specials are right around the corner

[warped perch]

I love the laspistol actually, I wish it were useable at higher difficulties

[mighty vault]

Overkill for what? Personally I want vets to be able to deal with most ranged threats for me.

[steel egret]

You would first need to wait for them to learn aim with shotguns and worst lasguns and revolvers.

[mighty vault]

That's fine, I have time.

[light quail]

i've given recon lasgun a bit of a try and with a bb setup, its okay

[mighty vault]

I will stand outside a room all day if I have a 3 camo expert team

[steel egret]

I dont, I dont run a charity.

[mighty pike]

Don't forget also 50% extra toughness regen on kill. For the guy who has every other player in front of him for cover

[light quail]

all that gives me the feeling vet is the favorite child

[mighty vault]

They should be out front tanking ranged damage in those types of encounters.

It's literally the meta for higher difficulties anyway

[steel egret]

Wow they listened! promise of nothing!

[covert valve]

is it fun if your that strong and things dont pose a challenge?

[ebon jolt]

What is this referencing? That there will be a patch sometime in the new year?

[boreal sun]

probably.

[light quail]

mfw best in melee and ranged

[steel egret]

Just confirming dev team still exist.

[clear heath]

if vet got nerfed down to 150 base toughness, they'd still be incredibly strong
wtf was fatshark smoking with 200 toughness?

[steel egret]

HUGE news

[long wharf]

bold of them to hint at the possibly that maybe a patch will drop this year

[mighty vault]

It is definitely still a challenge, but knowing what your team is capable of is part of l2p

[steel egret]

Still waiting for that before christmas patch.

[magic burrow]

A steam discussion where people are telling Psykers to stop stunning things with the surge staff because the Ogryn is tanking with his shield. This topic is pure comedy.

[mighty vault]

I don't see how it hurts you for vet to have 200 toughness lol

[mighty pike]

It doesn't

[steel egret]

it is

[clear heath]

it hurts game balance
i play vet too

[mighty pike]

That's not what anybody is saying either

[mighty vault]

Game balance for what? It's not like veteran facerolls.

I've been on teams with 2-3 decent vets and still lost in damnation.

[mighty pike]

Skill issue

[clear heath]

Your vets are garbage then

[mighty vault]

I specified decent intentionally, lol

[steel egret]

I think veteran has huge amount of crutches so terrible players can enjoy it, so I wouldnt necessarily want to make it too hard for them

[long wharf]

honestly, the zealot should have the most toughness

[mighty vault]

Shit happens and veteran isn't invincible.

[magic burrow]

I think balance is overall fine. What the game really needs is some quality of life changes.

[long wharf]

ogryn should have the most dr for both toughness and health (and most health)

[mighty vault]

No, Zealot should have 2nd most HP, next to Ogryn

...which they do, if I'm not mistaken

[light quail]

only one that makes sense is ogryn health pool
biggest man has biggest health

[magic burrow]

there's no reason warp charges should be this much of a hassle

[mighty vault]

Toughness is for ranged damage, again, which is not what zealot is supposed to be good at

[light quail]

I think zealot has 100tp 200hp

[clear heath]

Zealot still functions fine because they have the broken ass 75% damage reduction on crit. Nerf that and i'll agree with buffing their toughness
Ogryn actually does need like 50 more toughness though

[hexed relic]

Sometimes when you lose, it’s not because the game is unbalanced

[mighty vault]

I do think zealot probably needs like a lot of mitigation during chastise, but they already get 50% toughness back and have two charges so I mean

[clear heath]

I feel plenty tanky with zealot and it has easy toughness gain and mobility anyways

[mighty vault]

Yeah.

[clear heath]

and immunity to toughness damage during slide

so like, it's fine

Ogryn is the one who feels kinda shafted

[mighty vault]

Veteran has like zero mobility, and is literally built to trade with ranged threats, so them having a lot of toughness absolutely makes sense

[light quail]

the amount of heresy games i've lost today because the game throws a shitload of specials out of nowhere

[mighty vault]

That's the whole game, though

[fast swan]

mickey mouse class

[magic burrow]

dont they have a perk that make enemies not shoot at them as long as they stand still?

[mighty vault]

Camo expert is for babies.

[hexed relic]

It happens. Imagine playing a game where you always win. Be boring af

[clear heath]

Yeah but taking that is cringe

[magic burrow]

why would that be cringe though

[hexed relic]

I never run camo. I can’t image not moving

[mighty vault]

If you're not tanking ranged damage for your team on higher difficulties, you're screwing them over and probably going to lose unless they can compensate for your social loafing

[clear heath]

It reduces aggro on you, which means the enemies just shoot other people

[summer prairie]

camo is trash

just hurts the team

[magic burrow]

Im not brainbursting all the time, but I still take brainburst talents

[clear heath]

imagine taking a feat that just gets everyone else shot more

[hexed relic]

Brain burst is not a talent

[magic burrow]

what happens if you have four veterans and they all run camo expert?

[mighty vault]

Then it does nothing

[light quail]

I honestly think the 15% dmg on bb'd enemies should be basekit

[clear heath]

the moment someone moves they get fucked lol

it's only active if the vet stands still

[hexed relic]

Deflector in force sword should be baked in

[mighty vault]

It doesn't prevent aggro, it just reduces it if you're standing still. In the absence of other targets, you'll still aggro at normal ranges

[light quail]

this

please

[silent crane]

wait what

[light quail]

trying to diceroll for deflector makes me want to die

[hexed relic]

The blessing could just make it better

[mighty vault]

Deflector should be taken out. If it were baked in it would become literally a mandatory equip

Learn to dodge and use cover

[magic burrow]

there's several psyker perks that should be baseline abilities. Mind in motion should also be baseline. Crawling around while actively quelling is pointless, especially if a non-force weapon quells way faster and lets you do other stuff too.

[mighty vault]

I agree with the 15% boost though, given how poorly BB scales

[hexed relic]

You shouldn’t just stand out in the open and try to tank like it’s a slab shield, but it does help with closing the gap not having a charge

[light quail]

what about the coherency for warp charges?

that'd be a decent basekit too

[hexed relic]

Or retreating to cover

[clear heath]

psyker just has a bunch of holes in it's kit and you choose which ones to patch up in the feat tree

[mighty vault]

That's literally what evade and slide is for.

[light quail]

as opposed to everyone else, where you enhance the whole kit instead of patching those holes up

[mighty vault]

I won't support anything that just makes the game lazier

[hexed relic]

Big brain… you can evade and slide while blocking…

[mighty vault]

see above

You shouldn't be able to block bullets without the tradeoff of something like the slab shield

Which sucks at everything

[raven scarab]

is there a tier 4 perk of increase range crit strike chance ?

[long wharf]

yes, 5%

[clear heath]

Force sword has the tradeoff of having a slower passive quell and also not being that good against hordes

[open crag]

Hellos, I'm brand new to psyker, is there a 'best' type of dueling sword I should be trying for?

[mighty vault]

Because force sword does 1200 damage to crusher heads, that isn't a tradeoff

[hexed relic]

Play the game with gray weapons with no perks and blessings

[raven scarab]

you mean force sword?

[mighty vault]

why? No thanks

[clear heath]

With a non-force weapon, you passively quell almost 3x faster

[hexed relic]

Won’t be lazy

[open crag]

No?

[long wharf]

yes, it's called the Antax Mk V Combat Axe

[raven scarab]

heresy

[mighty vault]

I think we're using different definitions of lazy. You're promoting not having to engage with mechanics at all.

[open crag]

So same as my vet, ick

[mighty vault]

Let the glass cannon class just hold a button to magically block ranged damage instead of having to use skill and awareness-based mitigation like cover and slides

Nah

[clear heath]

I think you're forgetting that non-force weapons let you afk a demonhost because of the faster passive quell
Force sword deflector is a fair tradeoff to not being absolutely broken for melee block and just quelling in general

[ebon jolt]

And then implement a VFX update so they can't see anything infront of them.

Also glass cannon implies they do more damage than other classes...

[mighty vault]

You don't really need to see anything when you're immune to damage, same with slab shield

Not like you can do anything while you're blocking anyway

[ebon jolt]

They're more of the glass class 😂

[mighty vault]

No, it implies they're offensively focused, i.e. they have the lowest health

There are also non-glass cannons.

[long wharf]

FartShart literally wrote/said that psykers are glass-cannons

high damage, high risk

[clear heath]

glass peashooter

[long wharf]

instead, the psyker is meh damage, high risk

glass noodle

[mighty vault]

Now what sounds like a skill issue

[light quail]

psyker only feels like a glass cannon with voidstrike

[long wharf]

you lose that feeling on heresy+

[mighty vault]

Purgatus still feels plenty good to me

So does brainbursting bombers and bursters the second they round corners, idk

[long wharf]

purgatus can feel good on heresy+... until the zealot whips out their flamer

[mighty vault]

Once again, another class doing a thing doesn't hurt you

[wet belfry]

Tbh the flamer requires actual ammo

[long wharf]

but the other class doing it vastly superior to you does hurt balance

and ammo isn't hard to come by

[ebon jolt]

Can't OHKO a burster on damnation w/ BB.

[mighty vault]

And the flamer is also a pain in the dick to ready, with a comically long brace time

You don't need to OHKO anything if you can frontload damage on it before they're anywhere near threatening ranges.

[light quail]

meanwhile any amount of trauma staff secondary 1 hits it

[safe mountain]

brainburst having no peril gain slowdown on rmb when hitting 100% like all staves kinda annoys me

[clear heath]

unironically us having brain burst makes us more versatile when it comes to going the flamer route.
Zealot with flamer actually just has to afk if the enemies are long range

[mighty vault]

It's having to spray bursters and mutants while they're barreling at you that makes them a problem, so the more damage you do before they even start doing that, the less it will take to kill them.

[magic burrow]

Psykers can clutch really well

[mighty vault]

lmao what, is that a special effect of trauma staff?

If that's true, that's actually pretty useful.

[light quail]

nope, but I found it consistently one taps them on heresy

[mighty vault]

Because trauma staff does way less damage than a brainburst

[clear heath]

I swear i've seen a trauma staff not kill a burster before

[elfin roost]

Im pretty sure its because it knocks them down, and they tend to explode when that happens

[mighty vault]

Well, hey, that's certainly a mark in the positive column for trauma staff, I guess

[light quail]

that's probably it
trauma has the best stagger in the game iirc

[mighty vault]

It certainly fucking needs them

[long wharf]

I really wish purge staff primary was the same projectile as the rest of the staves

[open crag]

I haven't blown myself up yet, what's the threshold for it? Just don't cause peril while alrdy at 100% or is it a lower number?

[mighty vault]

100%

[elfin roost]

If you cast at 98% or higher to my knowledge

[mighty vault]

Also theoretically if you BB at above like 97% it's supposed to kill you, but that almost never happens in my experience

[elfin roost]

Yeah bb is weird

[light quail]

had times where I got to 100% and a bb didnt kill me

[mighty vault]

And by that I mean start charging it above 97%

[ebon jolt]

Noooo. It's so good for stagger. Especially against those pesky ragers.

Although range WOULD be nice.

[ornate hamlet]

With staves, especially surge, you'll explode. But you can usually get away with an extra BB.

[mighty vault]

God, why, the primary fire of every other staff is absolute trash

[elfin roost]

And its a very easy way to hit dogs into enough stun to force sword them

[mighty vault]

At least purgatus primary, like the flamer, is extremely useful for cc

[clear heath]

For most things it seems to be above 97%, although for force sword special you only die at 100%

[long wharf]

because it's "reach out and touch"

[mighty vault]

huh?

[light quail]

it's a nice poke tool

[mighty vault]

Do you mean, "stop in your tracks?"

Because that's what it's for.

[elfin roost]

Itll very easily kill most elites that dont have flak armor in a couple shots and all normal enemies to the head in one shot

[light quail]

Good stagger for dealing with ranged

[safe mountain]

yeah and sometimes it explodes you when you charge it at 97% because it was like 97.1%

[mighty vault]

Not to mention it applies stacks, with unlimited penetration

[elfin roost]

The thing that makes voidstrike so hit or miss is headshot ratio Ive found, hitting mostly headshots turns it into a godlike weapon

[open crag]

So bb at 95 or lower to be safe, got it

[mighty vault]

t. malice master

[elfin roost]

Still does more damage than the fire

[mighty vault]

which isn't for damage, as previously established

And is considerably less utility

[clear heath]

Staff primary is fine
Been using it more trying to get used to quell cancelling it on a surge staff

[long wharf]

the problem with purge primary is that it is very peril inefficient

[clear heath]

Also still the only way to really shoot barrels on surge

[elfin roost]

I dont see the lack of utility in a ranged move on purge

[mighty vault]

Yeah, it's for emergencies

If you have literally any time whatsoever, you should be igniting

Which does the same stagger, is peril efficient, and stacks multiple soulblaze

Whereas the primary on every other staff is for the opposite of emergencies

[summer prairie]

it's also ok for applying a stack so you can potentially get a stack due to 6-2

[mighty vault]

When you don't want to be bothered with charging a secondary, and there is no threat.

i.e.; it's useless

[clear heath]

It's useful for long range, or blowing up a poxburster on surge because otherwise they don't explode

and barrels

[mighty vault]

Long range? You mean like brainburst, which is actually accurate? I'll give you barrels

You need a staff with that primary if you want to blast your teammates off the map.

So it's important for that

[elfin roost]

Brainburst? You mean like the ability that also has a charge time which makes it bad for emergencies?

[mighty vault]

Reminder we're talking about the pure non-emergency primary move of non-purgatus staves, sir

[elfin roost]

The same one that needs to be done multiple times on a ton of enemies in higher difficulties?

[mighty vault]

What ranged emergency do you encounter that is going to be solved by your shitty staff primary blob that wouldn't be better addressed with a brain burst from cover or an actual bullet

That isn't rhetorical, I would genuinely like an answer

[clear heath]

A couple gunners spamming you from far away that you want to interrupt immediately

brain burst is too slow sometimes

[mighty vault]

Honestly the properties of the inherited momentum or whatever that projectile's problem is being changed to reflect the accuracy and usability of Sienna's versions of it would solve every problem with it.

[robust slate]

Psyker.mp4

[mighty vault]

It's still lazy that every staff has the same primary fire, but at least if it were good it would be...good

[fluid sun]

Does anyone know the base crit chance % for the force sword?

[mighty vault]

I saw a chart in a video once, maybe it's on darkmass.

Nope. Guess they're still working on that, idk

[summer prairie]

FS doesn't have any crit chance, so just psyker base crit 5%

[mighty vault]

Really?

Almost every weapon has a positive or negative modifier, source?

[summer prairie]

most weapons don't

[mighty vault]

source

[blazing oak]

So assuming every staff would be given its own primary fire, what would trauma staff get? Going off of the precedent set by the Purgatus staff that primary mimics secondary, voidstrike gets the current common primary, surge gets lightning, but trauma is a floor explosion staff. What does it get?

[summer prairie]

Combine00's guide for example

[mighty vault]

idk, what did conflag have

[blazing oak]

What is conflag

[mighty vault]

the trauma staff in Vermintide

Except good

Didn't it have the shotgun explosion?

That'd be cool.

[fluid sun]

I have seen a post from a reddit user going into the psykhanium and just doing a sample size of 100 and later 200 hits to take a look with modifiers, which ultimately "indicated" base crit chance was 5%, the default crit % for all classes other than the vet

Of course it's just a person just swinging a sword in a training room, but that's kind of the best we have

[clear heath]

The base crit is 5% for non-vets, yes.
A lot of weapons have crit modifiers though

like the knife crits more

[fluid sun]

Right, I was asking what the crit chance is for the force sword

[mighty vault]

Sad. It's perfectly possible that weapon has __+__0%, but loads of them have negative or positive ones

[fluid sun]

as far as I can tell on Darkmass, there is no base modifier

[vale nacelle]

A pack of gunners behind cover, which you can arc lighting over and one shot with surge staff if you have the right perks and damage thresholds. I think we’re getting stuck behind the connotation of ‘primary’.

[mighty vault]

I couldn't find anything related to crit there, idk if they're just not finished testing or whatever, but I thought they were working on it. Every class has 5% base crit except Veteran with 10% though

[summer prairie]

base_critical_strike_chance = 0.05 <- psyker

[mighty vault]

No, we're literally talking about the shitty LMB fireball on most staves, don't join late and confuse the topic

[vale nacelle]

Staff primary fire will never be a reliable and useful tool as secondary fire. It’s clearly not meant to.

[clear heath]

Again, it's useful for interrupting a far away gunner or finishing a poxburster

[mighty vault]

I agree. It blows dicks.

Yeah, finishing a poxburster. Again, a non-emergency, can't-be-arsed situation

i.e.; useless

[clear heath]

Poxbursters can show up in emergencies, wdym?

[mighty vault]

Bro

[summer prairie]

also good for getting a poxhound off someone

[mighty vault]

You are literally talking about using the fireball single target staff action to "finish off" a single poxburster. This does not sound like an emergency

Also for the same reasons listed above, if it actually is time sensitive, good luck even actually hitting it first try

[summer prairie]

and on surge it's good dps against maulers

it's very easy to hit a stationary hound at least

[mighty vault]

Due to the inherent issue with the projectile, which is its fucking goofy properties.

[clear heath]

During a horde when a poxburster shows up, stunning it and spamming balls into it's face might be the only way to quickly deal with it before it fucks your team

Because otherwise you gotta surge it like 6 times

[blazing oak]

Getting 20 headshots on a horde on flat ground maybe

[mighty vault]

I hope to never be on this team

That can't shoot a poxburster that you just surged onto its ass 20 feet backwards

[blazing oak]

I gave a joke answer

[clear heath]

Sometimes people are busy

because again, the context is during an emergency situation

where people are likely to be busy

[mighty vault]

Sometimes people are trash, from the sounds of it, and that doesn't justify the fireball primary being garbo

[summer prairie]

anyway, there's also a lot of downtime where you don't have anything better to use

[mighty vault]

A poxburster is literally everyone's number one priority next to a sniper

[blazing oak]

Yeah it isn’t great. Does the accuracy of it decrease with peril amount or is that just me being bad

[summer prairie]

and with surge you may want to use lmb for dregs

[blazing oak]

The primary is a decent finisher for dregs with surge staff if you can hit headshots actually

[mighty vault]

It has bizarre mouse acceleration/cusor momentum properties that act like gun sway/recoil and you have to let it settle or it won't go where you're pointing. It's horrendous.

[clear heath]

Not being able to aim it sounds like a problem you could solve by being better

[elfin roost]

The inherent skill issue of your aim you mean?

[mighty vault]

It's like having to fucking stutterstep in counterstrike or something to get that thing to aim properly.

[mighty vault]

fuck outta here with that gaslighting shit, I've said it over and over that none of the guns in the game behave that way.

[clear heath]

I mean i'm not saying it's not hard, just that it's a very fixable issue

[mighty vault]

Yeah, it is very fixable. By making it work properly or simply replicating its behavior from the previous game (where it was good)

[elfin roost]

Sounds like a very fixable (skill) issue to me

[blazing oak]

So I use it against far away hordes at headshot level like the mission you defend the elevator and the horde comes in across the bridge. Also on small groups of pox walkers during elevator waiting events or the finale if they are farther away. Finally, as a finisher for surge staff for dregs

[blazing oak]

I play on steamdeck too which makes it worse

[elfin roost]

Ranged weapons are more accurate in this game than they were in vermintide

Most at least

[mighty vault]

We've been over this. Training that skill would be detrimental to using actual good weapons and I'm frankly not interested in doing it.

[elfin roost]

are you trying to suggest gun psyker or something?

[mighty vault]

Jesus christ

reading hard

[blazing oak]

Laspistol gun psyker

[mighty vault]

so very, very hard

[elfin roost]

Its hard to understand your point

Truly, so very, very hard to understand the fuck youre going on about

[mighty vault]

You went out of your way to say guns were more accurate and then want to defend the fireball being LESS accurate and less usable for no reason.

[elfin roost]

Its less accurate due to the nature of not being hitscan in a game where I dunno, things move?

[blazing oak]

So hypothetically if surge staff gets a unique primary would it be like a single target move with more damage or more stun or like a bouncing bolt that does no stun but better damage

[elfin roost]

It still goes exactly where you shoot it, just takes longer

[mighty vault]

That wasn't a problem in the previous game where it went where you were pointing when you clicked the button

This isn't a "hitscan" issue.

[elfin roost]

BUT IT DOES

[mighty vault]

No, sir, it does not.

[elfin roost]

So youre saying make the fireball, a faster projectile than the ones in vermintide, faster

[mighty vault]

See above.

[elfin roost]

But it literally doesnt?

[mighty vault]

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[elfin roost]

Oro I think you need to go cold turkey on whatever youre smokin for a while

[mighty vault]

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[blazing oak]

Something tells me this argument is deadlocked

[mighty vault]

It's stopped being an argument and turned to just insults, so yeah, done

[elfin roost]

Course it is, there's no argument to be made about the accuracy of the primary fire

[mighty vault]

enjoy your lmb fireball

[north cradle]

It's not a fireball, it's a magic missile

[clear heath]

Yeah i mean it's not great, but killing this in 5 seconds is better than our other long ranged options.
Brainburst needs more peril and barrage to do this, and i can't even get voidstrike secondary to kill it this fast

[elfin roost]

^

[crimson ravine]

No pins even list the diff weapons

[clear heath]

Like obviously an actual gun does this better, but as an option for us running a different build, it's a good option to have

cause like, surge isn't killing it

[blazing oak]

Seeing this footage makes me wonder if the steam deck has an attack speed cap

[mighty vault]

The complaint all this time has been about projectile/aiming behavior. You're shooting from a stationary position at a stationary target. That's the last thing I'm saying on the subject.

[summer prairie]

he is quell cancelling

[clear heath]

Yeah quell cancelling helps a lot

[blazing oak]

Just quick question, for you on keyboard, is interact button same as quell

[elfin roost]

You can be dancing and have the enemy be a hound and youd still hit them if you knew how to aim, Im just sayin

[clear heath]

It's pretty clunky though. I'll admit that i'm still not very consistent with it yet, but i'm working on it

[north cradle]

Nope it's my reload key

[elfin roost]

Its not too hard to understand the projectile just.. goes where you point

[blazing oak]

It’s the same button for me so the game half of the time thinks I want to quell

But on the bright side if I hold down the stick I can spin very fast

[mild tartan]

Seems like there’s some variation depending on the animation and how rapidly you’re firing

[elfin roost]

Id say the way you toss it has an effect of like 2 degrees tops though

Thing isnt even designed to snipe things from 200+ meters away though so I dont think it matters

[warm flint]

I would like to see what you're talking about. We discussed this earlier and disagreed about it. You are saying it's a very common occurrence for you so it should be easy to cap a quick vid of it? My experience is that yes, rarely, the warp shot misses and veers away from the center dot in the crosshair, but very rarely.

[clear heath]

It absolutely is clunky to aim. It uses where you're aiming from when it leaves your hand, rather then when you click, so aiming it does feel like ass

but this is a problem you can play around

[elfin roost]

Its a problem you can very easily play around at that too

[mighty vault]

I'm not arguing about it anymore. It doesn't make any difference to me, I just don't use it when I need something to actually die/get hit.

If you guys like it, great. Enjoy.

[clear heath]

Well, i wouldn't say it's that easy
Paying attention to it on top of quell cancelling is really hard imo

I can usually focus on aiming or quell canceling, but not both

[elfin roost]

True, though usually muscle memory kicks in after a bit

[clear heath]

yeah maybe i just need more hours of doing it

[elfin roost]

mhm

[shut oak]

we talking about aim variation on the lmb for staffs?

[elfin roost]

Whatever slight about there is

The only change I notice is that it just leaves the hand instead of instantly firing

And some guy thinks vt2 is a good example for a change when it was literally the exact same thing in that game except the projectiles had gravity

[clear heath]

Wasn't the fireball in vt2 bigger anyways?

[ebon jolt]

I also find the projectile speed very slow so hitting a moving target can be challenging. The hitbox also seems to be a bit janky.

I find I hit weakspot more consistently by aiming at the top of the head rather than the middle of the face.

[clear heath]

Yeah hitting a target moving to the side is basically impossible for me
But in the context of using it on surge staff, it's a decent tool. You'd be able to stun them before shooting anyways

A lot of the time i'm using it for enemies that just stand still and shoot too

[elfin roost]

The one he meant was smaller

[elfin roost]

Yeah it's definitely not a sniper by the nature of not being near hitscan but it'll still hit if you learn to lead shots, which I'd assume is oro's issue

[clear heath]

I don't think moving targets are really the usecase anyways

Usually want to get dogs off people, or hit gunners that are shooting your team to interrupt them

which generally aren't moving

And if it's on surge, you can make them not move

[idle bay]

That was surprising. Even such lumber-finer like a i am managed to get quell canceling LMB bolt attack spamming after few seconds....

[elfin roost]

Nice

[idle bay]

I see how ChubbyShark fixing it sooner or later while breaking Quell again

[elfin roost]

"Quelling at 100% now makes you explode"

[idle bay]

Or "Passive Quelling only now - karkers!"

[elfin roost]

Gunpsyker made more viable than staves with forcesword with one change

[idle bay]

Or VFX + AFX "solution" "Now perils VFX (BLur + tentacles) are more intensive even at lower Peril. And AFX is louder and you start hearing wishpers at 20%"

[fast swan]

next update there is a cinematic of a black ship pulling up, taking us to the astronomicon, and psyker is removed from le game

[blazing oak]

“Staff lmb accuracy reduced as peril increases”

[blazing oak]

Surprised the loner psyker hasn’t had that happened to them

[fast swan]

alright has there been any indication whatsoever as to when next update?

[clear heath]

Man, anyone remember when they used to play the loud ass critical peril sound effect at 50% instead of 97%?

[fast swan]

all i really want besides crafting is for them to bring back blackout

[idle bay]

Although i must not that pure LMB bolt without a canceling animation shineningas are good enough for me. Pops dregs head quite good. Scabs get zzaps anyway

[blazing oak]

Aqshy says next community update probably next week because fatshark is still only half staffed

[west fjord]

Can one up that 😄

[blazing oak]

Bring back fog even though I didn’t particularly enjoy it

[clear heath]

I remember not being able to hear any audio cues because you'd hear guitar noises constantly every time you'd cast at medium peril

[fast swan]

next community update? what about next content update?

[blazing oak]

I’m assuming that community update tells us what they heard and are fixing and then the content after that I am assuming

[fast swan]

https://tenor.com/view/useless-fucking-pieces-of-shit-mad-angry-kick-gordon-ramsay-gif-14817807

[idle bay]

Urgh.... "Dreg hunter" (5) are slowest one to farm

[blazing oak]

Hey at least it’s better than nothing

[mighty vault]

Farming things you'll literally just get by playing the game...

[wet jacinth]

Such shite quell speed

Even then. The blessing you want for purgatus is the crit one based on peril iirc

Nexus?

[clear heath]

yeah

[summer prairie]

right now focused channeling + nexus are the best ones

[long wharf]

I'm really hoping FartShart makes Blazing Spirit available on purge in the future

[wet jacinth]

Mushrum

[clear heath]

wah

[wet jacinth]

Mshrm

Msrm

Smol

[idle bay]

It's both good and bad thing. Good - because dreg shooters are the most bugged and imbalaced enemies in the game (immune to suppresion and keep shooting you while in melee range and do a lot more damage than scab shooters) so fewer they are - the better. bad thing- it takes longer to finish that penance

[wet jacinth]

I lowkey despise all the purgatus staffs I've been given by the emperor have had Nexus

[idle bay]

Will it be 4 or 5 stacks of DoT per Crit?

[shut oak]

I was already on a black ship in my background lol

with loner

[long wharf]

considering that it doesn't exist yet for purge, impossible to know

[clear heath]

They should put blazing spirit on surge
It'd be mediocre, but so are the other blessings so it's fine

[summer prairie]

it would be decent, you could run 6-2 properly then

[magic burrow]

I feel like all Trauma staves in the shop get a ~30-40 stat boost compared to other staves just to mess with people. Whenever I see a good statted staff, its almost always Trauma.

[clear heath]

Hmm actually, you could spam lmb for stacking soulblaze on bosses if it had blazing spirit
Surge has a nice crit chance

[idle bay]

Well you see staffs in the shop to begin with

I do not

[crimson ravine]

Fuck staffs all my homies hate staves

[shut oak]

just finished life leech 5 and Psyker is 100% complete now, yay me.

[clear heath]

Or maybe it'd actually be busted because surge hits multiple times and it might apply like 10 stacks in one crit

[ornate hamlet]

Thats happening to me. Been level 30 psyker since beta, still have yet to see ANY docket shop weps around 350 EXCEPT for my trauma staff.

[summer prairie]

I've a 380 surge, purge and trauma. Unlucky no void

[idle bay]

Burn the Witch - he is too lucky 🙂

[mild tartan]

You have beyond insane luck. Getting a single max level staff to spawn is nightmarish given guns are about 5-6x more common items in shops and spawns

[shut oak]

Unlucky bonedog 370 void, 364 surge, 350 purg and 345 trauma I only bought just in case

[mighty vault]

enjoy your reward

[shut oak]

But there is no reward?

[mighty vault]

https://tenor.com/view/smart-thinking-thoughts-think-ponder-gif-7713620

[shut oak]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-crying-cry-crying-face-emotional-gif-21396775

[clear heath]

Oh i just remembered, i have this shit to upgrade
Take your bets. Warp Nexus or garbage?

[mild tartan]

The only staff above 300 base I've seen in melks shop was a 510 trauma staff lmao

[long wharf]

run n gun

[alpine yoke]

Hit&run

[mild tartan]

I just got a garbage roll, so hopefully my misfortune translates to your good fortune

[shut oak]

garbage is a safe bet

[clear heath]

damn

[wet jacinth]

As a fellow Psyker. How much Copium do y'all use?

[alpine yoke]

Hmmmmm actually good

[long wharf]

they might fix warp flurry in the future

[mild tartan]

all of it

[long wharf]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[shut oak]

well damn

[mighty pike]

Copium is against the Lex

[summer prairie]

I think my 380 purg is worse than the 346 one I have

[violet thorn]

we've ran out of super copium at this point

[long wharf]

frankly, the blessings on surge almost don't matter

[mild tartan]

How is warp flurry SUPPOSED to work? I notice my charge time is reduced after each full charge attack

[clear heath]

Warp Nexus is the only one i really care about

[long wharf]

there isn't a single blessing for surge that changes how it's used or behaves

[summer prairie]

try min charge spamming void and then doing a full charge to see how it's supposed to work

[clear heath]

yeah but crit chance
what if it's global and it helps my melee crits?

[mighty vault]

Empyrean Roulette

[clear heath]

idc about boosting the surge damage
but free melee damage would be nice

[summer prairie]

warp nexus is global yes

even if you don't use the staff at all and gain the peril via other means

[clear heath]

What are even the thresholds for gaining a warp nexus stack?

[summer prairie]

30, 50, 97, 97 (yes...)

[clear heath]

what

[summer prairie]

two thresholds are set to the same value currently

[clear heath]

wtf

[summer prairie]

and it only stacks 4 times anyway

[clear heath]

also i guess that means you start with 1 stack?

[summer prairie]

no

[clear heath]

since it says it stacks up to 5 times

[summer prairie]

0,1,2,3,4

that's five clearly

[clear heath]

wtf

[summer prairie]

I submitted a bug report, if someone has a FS with unstable power you could verify it

[clear heath]

gaining a 0th stack shouldn't count as stacking 1 time

[long wharf]

so is it a generally smooth increase in crit chance?

or do you simply see +4% chance at 30 peril, another +4% at 50 peril, etc.?

[summer prairie]

the latter

and then two stacks at 97

[long wharf]

the whole "max of 4% crit chance" is misleading then, like the rest of the text in the game

it should read +4% critical hit chance per peril breakpoint

[clear heath]

So you'll have 4 stacks of 4% at 97% peril

even though it says stacks 5 times

[summer prairie]

well I'm not 100% sure because it's hard to test. I could be misreading the code but at least the stack thresholds are clear

[long wharf]

5th stack is when you explode

[mild tartan]

Yes! now when I intentionally down myself I will do extra damage. My team is gonna love me

[long wharf]

bingo

you know, there ought to be a subclass that intentionally warp explodes

total high peril build focus, instead of dying, exploding removes all warp charges

[mighty pike]

Psyker unchained

[clear heath]

That's us
You just haven't discovered the op 5 wound build

[long wharf]

if no warp charges, then you go down

[supple skiff]

well i suppose you could overcharge and ult with that feat that does soul burn

that way you dont pop

[long wharf]

or maybe a lvl 30 feat that does that

[mighty vault]

They're researching how to make unchained worse first

then it will be added

[fast swan]

after testing, i can confirm sustained fire blessing only works on the staff left click

for all staffs

🤡

[manic needle]

Staff Blessing QA is a joke, generally speaking

[supple sable]

https://gyazo.com/64f6b8d4c6c9b86e281b32f109f04998

Bought this one in the store. I've not had any staves in SO long

[fast swan]

trash

[long wharf]

sell it back to the robit

[leaden pier]

yea

or keep it if it's the best u got i guess

[supple sable]

https://gyazo.com/a09d19e82a0b4da5d22ecbb5efead8a0
3% charge rate

[manic needle]

288, poggers

[warm flint]

best purg staff i've seen so far:

not sure what i should roll for the second perk

[violet yoke]

flack damage would be my go to

[warm flint]

yeah probs

[violet yoke]

i had to re role my stam off for crit so i didnt get to pick my cool damge perk

[warm flint]

i lucked out with the crit perk and then rolled sprint efficiency so it was a no brainer

[weary moss]

not bad

[violet yoke]

urs looks pretty close to my staff

[deft trench]

How does this even work on voidstrike? is it only for the primary?

[warm flint]

you need to hold down rmb

once you release rmb, the salvo ends

[deft trench]

Ah, might have to try and get one of those to put on my voidstrike in the future then, when fatshark stops having a vacation lol

Have these right now, blazing spirit seems awfull

[long wharf]

because it is awful for void

I mean, it's not great in general

now if it was per hit, not per crit, that'd be different

still wouldn't be great, but it'd have some slight synergy with AB

for gaining and dumping warp charges

[deft trench]

If soulblaze wasn't so bad it would be ok, probably way better on the purg with crit perks though

[long wharf]

purge can't roll Blazing Spirit

[deft trench]

That's fucking hilarious

[blazing oak]

Source?

[long wharf]

the game, and the exported files from the game

darkmass.gg

[devout belfry]

I can run stacks on soul burn with my surge staff! What a build!

🤪

[blazing oak]

Quietude is better than warp absorption for surge staff on higher difficulties right?

[long wharf]

quietude is better overall

[unique barn]

So best curios = 3x wounds, discuss

[blazing oak]

But I can see warp absorption being good for a voidstrike nuke build

[warm flint]

quietude is best, you should be constantly quelling, whether active or passive, so you are constantly regening toughness

[mighty vault]

The force weapon kill one is also good for purg, imo

[blazing oak]

Imagine if mind in motion was a different feat tree so you could use it and kinetic deflection. Tank damage, quell and move back, tank more

[mighty vault]

Let's you regen toughness in a tight spot when you can't stop sprayin

[clear heath]

ah yes, the ultimate peril explosion build

[mighty vault]

Whereas if you have time to quell, you're probably already semi-safe

[unreal harness]

So just hit level 20, seems to me Mind in Motion is leagues better than the other 2, most psykers run that?

[magic burrow]

what would be good perks to have on a voidstrike staff

+crit?

[blazing oak]

Are you doing a meme or legitimate question

[unreal harness]

Nah idk much about psyker, legit question

[blazing oak]

Most run kinetic deflection

I think

[summer prairie]

20-1 is maybe the most overpowered talent in the game

[willow hazel]

Does warp absorbtion proc off soulblaze damage?

[wise quail]

Running Kinetic Deflection so ranged doesn't rip me apart

[devout belfry]

20-1?

[summer prairie]

4-1

[unreal harness]

First choice of the 20 feats

The lvl 20 feats

Ah shit, im retarded

[summer prairie]

?

[unreal harness]

He got me

[magic burrow]

https://puu.sh/JvLOU/2cd1f1e165.png

I want to reroll one of the perks, but Im not sure what to aim for on this staff

[violet yoke]

aim for the enemies should work fine

[fierce sinew]

reroll infested to flak

[warm flint]

I use mind in motion for overall QOL. It gives you combat mobility and survivability

pair mind in motion with consistent dodging and you can burn on the run

[violet yoke]

i think you want crit over everything on purg

crit then fun stuff

crit chance that is

[fierce sinew]

crit better for sure on purg, voidstrike actually cares about damage perks though

[violet yoke]

o my bad ! i didnt read staff name thought it was purg!

void yea flak proably

[abstract scaffold]

what i would do as well. infested covers almost no enemies vs flak

maniacs are nice. covers dreg rager, flamers, mutants, trapper

[warm flint]

reroll infested

[unreal harness]

What all is infested? Dogs?

Mutants?

[violet yoke]

infested is pox and dogs

[warm flint]

dogs are infested and some hordes are infested, the ones with the horns

[fierce sinew]

maniac + flak is good coverage

[ebon jolt]

Much flak.

[fierce sinew]

also if you're voidstriking shooting the squads of shooters in their flak heads is your job

[abstract scaffold]

aye, flak is strongest to have by far

[pale crescent]

Think this is worth picking up? Would def want to reroll the perk

[ebon jolt]

Have to say I’m also a big fan of unyielding depending on the weapon and shredding monstrosities.

[devout belfry]

What am I looking at? :0

[fierce sinew]

enemy health values and armor types

[abstract scaffold]

dueling sword from shop

[violet yoke]

Maulers are flak body caprice head

[abstract scaffold]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irTRl9-x5xs

[fierce sinew]

yeah, their body is listed as flak at the bottom

[supple skiff]

https://prnt.sc/P3LpejJRVTk-

not a huge axe guy but...

[violet yoke]

aaa got it

[abstract scaffold]

first target could be better, but maniacs dmg is good, get flak on the perks and its quite nice, not great but nice

i love using the Mk V on my psyker. its just amazing on damnation/herasy

[fierce sinew]

I was late to the axe party but I've gotten to appreciate how busted it is

[pale crescent]

Shop extension is highly recommended. If I could have it set up notifications for 380 base rolls I'd die happy