psyker-class

[weary idol]

imagine needing to use quicken spell to cast 2 cantrips

this post made by chad bladesinger

[loud osprey]

go away ya wizard

[weary idol]

+L +no20AC +nobitches

[alpine portal]

you need con and chrisma you also probbly want to take warcaster and resilent con
you can use ANY spell slot for sorc font of magic.

[loud osprey]

you are forever in debt with the wizard college

[alpine portal]

he is correct you know

[weary idol]

multiclass kensei bladesinger and become invincible

[alpine portal]

multi class illusionist wizard with arcane trickster to become INVISIBLE

[loud osprey]

kensei multi is weird, monk multi is weird

[alpine portal]

your still a wizard do you go down to a crit with those tiny hit die 🙂 reguardless of ac

[weary idol]

yeah but you only get hit by crits

most of the time

[alpine portal]

and save or suck.

[weary idol]

not even save or suck

well most save or sucks

monk evasion at 7

and also bladesinger being able to spend spell slots to make saves better

(and take less damage)

[alpine portal]

I played a blade singer blattle smith ( artificer ) you need int and nothing else.

but I never got past lvl 5 in that campaign so...

[loud osprey]

f

[elfin roost]

A new psyker passive idea

Looking at dogs should vaporize their heads on a 10 second cooldown

[loud osprey]

what's a psyker?

[elfin roost]

Any class under the psyker name

Actually yknow what, why not everyone

'ate dogs

[loud osprey]

what if we are the dogs

[green verge]

I've been trying to get that one for a while now

[cyan notch]

i use gun now

[radiant yew]

Psyker suddenly became veteran

[ornate hamlet]

2nd perk mustve been really bad to lock down unarmored enemies for an MG12

[loud osprey]

"hold still heretics" -psyker probably

[weary idol]

wouldn't mind brain burst being on a cooldown if it just did enough damage to kill more than half the elites/specials

[elfin roost]

And if it charged any quicker

[weary idol]

I still like my idea (because it's my own idea of course) that brain burst should just charge up damage so long as you keep holding it

and the bar that represents charge now just represents how much of the enemies health the brain burst will deal in damage

so you can do short brain bursts for squishy enemies, or hold it for longer to one shot reapers/crushers

[loud osprey]

I just want there to be a damage buff for other teammate if I'm charging my burst on the enemy and it should give charges even if someone took the burst

[rose kraken]

I see so many guns in the shop, it feels bad we don't have any perk that could works with guns...

[gleaming comet]

So hey, I've decided to start a Psyker up and it's not quite vibing with me yet (Force Sword feels awkward as hell with its super low stamina, coming from like 70 hours of Preacher)

Any tips? What staves do y'all like? Should I go for Dueling Sword basically ASAP instead of Force Sword?

[tired estuary]

once you hit 20 and get peril block feat stamina doesn't matter

[manic needle]

Just picked up a 380 axe from the Armoury and it turned out... kind of medicore? I feel like I could have had much worse luck.

[gleaming comet]

Also eyyyy, funnily enough I have two upcoming DnD characters that are each half of that character lmao

[tired estuary]

all or nothing orz

[gleaming comet]

I've got a Hobgoblin Bladesinger in the works, and a Shifter Battle Smith who's likely to come into play way sooner

[manic needle]

4% more BB damage wew

At least its basically free

[alpine portal]

psyker chat dnd game? lol I already run 2 dames on discord..

[gleaming comet]

Ye fair. I think for me it's more just the attack chains feeling super jank because I'm used to my melee being a horde clear tool, but Force Sword seems heavily specialized to kill elites

[tired estuary]

yeah fs is def a clunker too

[gleaming comet]

I've been in so many games over the years lol. Hell, my profile pic is my longest-standing character, a Dragonborn Conquest Paladin

[tired estuary]

probs want a staff that can handle crowds with it too at least on higher difficulty

[manic needle]

Whenever I see a Psyker using Surge staff with FS I cry a little inside

[alpine portal]

my highest was a level 11 blood hunter. man I miss playing him

[gleaming comet]

I've had a bunch that I've loved tho. Leonin Echo Knight for a Theros campaign I was in, Vedalken Shepherd Druid for a Ravnica campaign (really just a Simic Biomancer, but Shepherd got the idea across better in terms of mechanics than any sort of Wizard), an Aasimar Armorer who was flavored as a classical fantasy alchemist

My pally's currently level 18, been playing him for over 2 years now

[gleaming comet]

How is Voidstrike Staff? It seems like the most fun out of the bunch, and a nice change of pace from my Crusher/Flamer shenanigans on my Preacher

[weary idol]

it is probably the most versatile and general purpose of the staves

[tired estuary]

Its good, only trauma staff is a lil stinky and some people still make it work so

[gleaming comet]

Neat!

[weary idol]

trauma really only needs its peril gen reduced

it's a lot of peril for what it is

[gleaming comet]

So Voidstrike + Dueling Sword seems like it'd be a good combo?

[weary idol]

which is admittedly not entirely a bad thing

[manic needle]

Force Sword is actually good with Voidstrike because it has horde clear

[fierce sinew]

Meme axe probably best all around option if you don't go force sword

[gleaming comet]

Yeah but I'm not big on Force Sword lol

[weary idol]

same applies to trauma, and trauma generates an obscene amount of peril for both durability and extra force sword damage

[manic needle]

If youre going for a deflector build that is one of the staffs I would recommend

[gleaming comet]

FS just feels... wonky

[weary idol]

it's because FS does horrible damage on every single attack except for activation ones

[gleaming comet]

The combo feels super floaty for me, and again not big on my melee weapon being pretty much solely relegated to elite killing

[weary idol]

it's a utility weapon not really a damage weapon

[manic needle]

Yep, youre using it to keep enemies back while you Voidstrike, or to kill annoying hounds/muties

not for damage/horde clear

[gleaming comet]

Kinda like how the Crusher is a utility wep for Zealot then

[loud osprey]

your staff is more efficient than fs normal attack, only use fs when you have to

[tired estuary]

Yeah you don't have to use fs, rn mk5 combat axe is popular b/c its braindead clear b/c of strong push attack and peril block

[gleaming comet]

Interesting, feels like I'm gonna take awhile to get used to Psykinetic's gameplay lol

So drastically different from my main, but that's a good thing

[weary idol]

lso psyker having shorter stamina regen delay

so they can push attack forever

MK V duelling sword with uncanny strike can be a real beast of a weapon though

especially if you like the combat knife

[loud osprey]

psyker need preemptive action, almost everything you do requires you to charge it first, it take some time to get use to

[weary idol]

since the duelling swords are p much just knife but better

[gleaming comet]

Oh god I can't stand the knife

[tired estuary]

yeah mkv good, has knife dodge but signiicantly more range and its push attack is also p good

[gleaming comet]

Makes sense, I played Sienna to 35 in VT2, though most of that was Unchained

[loud osprey]

embrace the br'ish, embrace the knife

[gleaming comet]

I have already embraced the masculine urge to become Sauron, sorry

[weary idol]

also has the best anti-armor of the duelling swords

heavy-heavy-light is 3 AP attacks back to back

[tired estuary]

feels like it got the best everything of duelling swords lol

[gleaming comet]

How many variants of the Force Sword are there, btw? Just curious

[tired estuary]

only 1 orz

[gleaming comet]

Only asking since all the Zealot exclusive weps only have one variant each

Kk

[fierce sinew]

the kind with deflector and the kind in the trash

[gleaming comet]

[tired estuary]

technically heavy sword is zealot exclusive + got variants

unles you're a vet bot

[gleaming comet]

Heavy Sword doesn't have its own carbon footprint, therefore I disown it as a Zealot weapon

[weary idol]

there's 2

one isn't released yet but you can see it in the psyker trailer

[gleaming comet]

As a Zealot, all my weapons have to contribute directly to global warming

[weary idol]

and the skin for the force sword uses its model

[gleaming comet]

Kk, makes sense

[weary idol]

has more of the AP stabs so it's probably going to be significantly better than the current one

that's speculating though

[near wyvern]

For psyker you need lvl 30 before your builds start to feel nice

For FS, the horde clear depends a bit on the rolls but your basic horde clear combos that always work are:

• light heavy light repeat
• light heavy push repeat

The upper one is when you are safe, the lower one is when you have to make sure you or someone near you doesn't get hit

The force sword special has an animation lock, so if you plan to use it with multiple enemies surrounding you, activate special, push and then use it

The FS special is a damage multiplier, it does more damage on a heavy or if you land it on the third light. It will also deal more damage when hitting a weakspot.

Gun Psyker is fun but falls of a bit at herecy+. On those difficulties your only options are infantry lasguns due to their ammo economy.

Any melee weapon world on the Psyker, but the most used ones are Mk V Combat Axe with Brutal Momentum, Duelling Swords Mk II and Mk IV for a mobility boost and a Force Sword with Deflector.

The Deflector blessing allows you to block ranged attacks. Combining this with Kinetic Deflector at lvl 20 allows you to revive under gun fire.

All regular non-force weapons automatically quell very fast. Force weapons require manually quelling, which will slow your movement speed. The staves have a bit lesser movement speed penalty for quelling.

For Staves, Surge is your CC and anti armour support stick. Purge is a horde control tool and Voidstrike is your all arounder but requires Transfer Peril blessing on it to be good.

Spulblaze damage (blue burn) stacks multiplicatively and crits apply double stacks.

You can always safely Brain Burst (BB) at 97 and below so no need to quell more than that when you spam it.

That should cover perhaps like 10% of what it is to play Psyker.

[loud osprey]

tf?

[weary idol]

ah about the gun psyker thing

it is viable on heresy/damnation

[loud osprey]

you can burst at 99 I think?

[weary idol]

but it takes a lot of effort to be just worse than guardsman a lot of the time

[near wyvern]

Yes it's viable but not optimal

[weary idol]

it's super versatile but it's an "acquired" taste

you can basically do a bit of everything that the other classes can but worse

easy safe revives just like ogryn, good horde clear just like zealot flamer, and killing elites well like veteran

[near wyvern]

No you can't burst at 99. You can FS special at 99.

You can burst at 97 and with Warp Battery and Inner Tranquility you can bust at 98 with 5 and 6 stacks

[weary idol]

just worse than them

[gleaming comet]

Also, weird question/topic, but I feel like a big chunk of why Zealot gels so well with me is that it's really easy to get myself in the proper headspace because fanatical bloodlust is second nature to me and the voice I chose is a fun one. Any tips for being able to get into the proper headspace as a Psyker so that I can keep the proper awareness?

[weary idol]

and yeah you basically only get to use lasguns because you need the ammo economy

[gleaming comet]

Thank you so much for the detailed info!

[weary idol]

I like the VIIa and VId recon lasguns personally

[near wyvern]

Where Gun Psyker is better than a veteran is that you can bring a Lasgun to deal with ranged trash and still be able to open bulwarks and kill crushers (BB, especially with KB)

You can kill snipers and gunners reliably even when supressed

You can revive in extremely wild conditions

[gleaming comet]

(Info, not sure if it's relevant or not for the headspace question, but I picked the Fanatic Zealot and Seer Psyker)

[near wyvern]

No problem. 👍

[weary idol]

gun psyker also situationally kills enemies much much faster than guardsman can

specifically reapers and flamers

guardsman can't one shot them, but recon lasgun proccing brainburst will kill them lightning fast

it's something

actually can the helbore one shot reapers?

I know it can flamers after a charge up

[glossy hazel]

Recon Las can only proc BB every 15 seconds

[near wyvern]

Recon Lasgun will unfortunately say click click at Damnation

[weary idol]

VId and VIIa have good ammo efficiency

the II just sucks

[loud osprey]

so something that has been in my mind for a while
i feel like psyker can hear specials better than the other classes?

[glossy hazel]

MK3 could possibly I think, with the F geared against Ogryns and damage boosts against unyielding, possibly it also being a crit. But I think 2 shot is possible.

I 3-4 shot them with MK2 Hellbore eitherway and it charges a shot in like 1 second so that's 4 seconds to take a Reaper down.

[gleaming comet]

It's because our ears are tenderized by the sweet sound of [VIOLENT DAEMON INTRUSION NOISES]

[weary idol]

I sure love hearing that noise blare in my ears every time I use the trauma staff

and then again 3 seconds later when I cap my peril again

[near wyvern]

Oh and @gleaming comet

Forget Trauma staff. The name is a hint and will give you one.

[weary idol]

disregard that trauma staff is good it's just a pain in the ass to use

(and also in the ears)

[gleaming comet]

But anyway, much like with Zealot, I have not come to Psyker to use conventional weapons. I plan to bathe in the class-exclusive weapons and use nothing else

[glossy hazel]

Trauma is unironically useful, it's a surge staff that can deal with hordes. It has massive stagger.

[weary idol]

consider it more a CC staff like surge and keep in mind max warp resist, quell speed, and blast radius are mandatory

damage is trauma staff dump stat

doesn't matter if it low rolls

[gleaming comet]

Conventional weaponry is to be reserved for if/when I find myself desperate enough to play Vet

[gleaming comet]

Aye aye, Trauma Staff was the least interesting one for me anyway

[glossy hazel]

Zealot with an Braced Autogun is fun. You can ult at a Crusher and unload into it, the gun gets armor piercing for the duration of your ult.

[gleaming comet]

I'm not much for Conflag Staff in VT2, and I'm not much for a reskin of it here

[haughty schooner]

i like trauma staff, its just difficult to use well compared to the other staffs

[gleaming comet]

Beam Staff was my preferred murder weapon, personally

[fierce sinew]

Beam staff reskin when

[weary idol]

no beam staff equivalent in game sadly

[fierce sinew]

prenerf preferably

[weary idol]

i'd love to see a bolt staff equivalent come back around

[haughty schooner]

i feel like if we are given a beam staff, you would get cussed out of a lobby if you try to use it

[glossy hazel]

Telekinetic Knife when?

[fierce sinew]

I'd love to memestaff again, was fun

[gleaming comet]

Why's that?

It seems like it was a very good weapon overall

[haughty schooner]

bring nothin to the team in this setting

[gleaming comet]

Yeah fair

Might be useful with future Psyker classes tho, who knows

[fierce sinew]

Permastunning hordes and 2 tapping specials/elites with 100% uptime from busted interaction with [blowing up mechanic] reducing mechanic seems like it would be useful

You know, the staff they took from us for being fun

[gleaming comet]

Which staff did they take from us? Unfamiliar with the series's history

[fierce sinew]

Beam staff

[near wyvern]

Builds to try then are:

Purgatus:
122132 or 121122 (this one is even better with another purgatus in the party)

Voidstrike:
222133 or 312133

Surge:
122133

There are more builds that are viable of course but these will surely get you started

[gleaming comet]

Ah kk

[gleaming comet]

Thanks! Neat to see that all three level 5 talents see at least some use

[cyan notch]

thats kinda void

[weary idol]

void is fireball staff

not even close

[near wyvern]

Yeah, just keep in mind purgatus needs lvl 30, the last feat is the key

[cyan notch]

no you cant snipe with fireball

and void is for sniping

[weary idol]

you sure could

[cyan notch]

ok

[weary idol]

granted we didn't have enemies and specials quite so THICK as the ones we have here

so the fireball would just overpen them and not do the explosion damage...

[cyan notch]

if u think fireball was for sniping then sure

i have nothing else to say

[weary idol]

it wasn't for it but it could sure do it

doing it with difficulty is still doing it

[cyan notch]

ur right

void is fireball

"not even close"

👍

[weary idol]

I mean voids projectile is literally the same as fireball staff just with no arc

(or DoT)

[glossy hazel]

Voidstrike is more like a cannon ball than anything. Direct hit does the most damage which is why nailing headshots is good, the impact explosion mostly just staggers.

[manic needle]

It does like 12-30 damage, lol

Honestly rather pitiful

You wont be killing anything with voidstrike blast even on the lowest diffculties

Its all about the projectile

[idle bay]

First time in 261 hours - i've got 4 Psykers team. And it was on Heresy 🙂

It was good, although Beast of Nurgle took a while to kill....

[near wyvern]

Yeah 4 paykers is not that bad but boss DPS is taking a huge dump unless you have at least 1 gun psyker

[idle bay]

Axe helped a lot 🙂

It was 3 Purge and 1 Trauma staff - let's just say that most things were stunlocked 🙂

So much ZZzaping!

So Trauma sibling had all the time in the world to charge and BLAST

[near wyvern]

I would want to try 4 paykers with each having:

• essence harvest
• psychic communion
• kinetic overload
• ascendent blaze

3 of them wearing purge and 1 surge for the bulwarks and crushers and ranged.

The thing is, the AB 10% chance of charge on soulblaze kill does not only trigger from your soulblaze kills, it's any soulblaze kills. So with that on 4 paykers each wearing kinetic overload you have the potential to scale like crazy.

[barren cloud]

This worth upgrading ?\

[idle bay]

I now feel like second bottle of champagne needs to be exterminated internally...

[barren cloud]

Or should I hold off on getting it ?

[idle bay]

Perks are botched already...

[barren cloud]

I mean, I can reroll one of 'em

[idle bay]

But second one will still be useless

[near wyvern]

You want max burn and you want +flak and +crit chance on it

Warp flurry is super good but that's the only good thing going for this one

[idle bay]

Good Purgatus staff is a miracle to get though.. SO much thing need to come together

[near wyvern]

I mean, any purgatus works, especially if you have warp flurry on it

[idle bay]

Burn 80% , Flak or Crit chance in perks, and crit from peril blessing

[near wyvern]

So in case you are desperate for a decent purge why not

But there is a difference between a Purgatus and THE purgatus

[idle bay]

Like this one

[near wyvern]

Yeah this is definitely one of THE purgatus staves

[elfin zenith]

Even on heresy headshots can clear whole hordes in one shot as well as some elites and specials, 2 headshots will take out most specials. Time to kill seems lower on most enemies vs Surge.

[solid cipher]

Say what is better secondary blessing for voidstrike, terrifying barrage or warp flurry? (along with quell peril)

Trying out terrifying barrage and I'm not entirely sure how well it suppresses.

[whole wharf]

Thanks, I hate it. 🙃

Love that I wasted all those hard earned resources for this

[manic needle]

Im talking about the Voidstrike explosion, not the projectile

[near wyvern]

Warp Flurry

[elfin zenith]

oh yeah, that just knocks stuff around it seems

[manic needle]

AKA what happens when the projectile hits an object and stops piercing enemies

Yeah its okay for CC but its worthless for killing

I think some people overvalue blast radius on Voidstrike

Its okay but its not worth crying over a few lost percentage points on that stat

[elfin zenith]

voidstrike is a rail gun with an incidental poof on termination

but it seems like the headshot range is larger than just the lmouse projectile

does blast radius influence that?

[manic needle]

Not a huge range from min to max

And Im not sure if the epicenter is just the small radius that does like 30 damage instead of 12, either.

[elfin zenith]

neither am I

trying to think of how many more zombie heads would fit in the extra .2 even if it is the shot and in a column

[manic needle]

Good thing Fatshark intentionally obscures what stats do so that figuring out the game mechanics is as difficult as possible.

to "prevent min/maxing"

[elfin zenith]

but look at the community engagement we get from it...

[manic needle]

"Hey what does brittleness do?" "Something related to armor? IDK"

community interaction 📈

[elfin zenith]

all I know is that this VS does not have the stat distribution I want long term

[manic needle]

Oof, low damage

[elfin zenith]

it's very usable though

[manic needle]

The most important stat

[elfin zenith]

warp resistance doesn't hurt but yeah

[manic needle]

I actually think its only okay, especially if you have Transfer Peril

Im not gonna scoff at having a higher percentage but it's another stat I won't fret over if it only rolls mid

[elfin zenith]

it's got more dmg on follow up shots

gonna swap to this while I wait for something better

[manic needle]

Thats a pretty nice one

Focuse channeling is probably not as good as it is on Purgatus or Surge but it sure as hell beats Run 'n' Gun

And its still nice for when you get poked by pesky ranged

[elfin zenith]

I've been interrupted with it before and sure I would have been again so it's fine

[manic needle]

Yeah def

[elfin zenith]

running it with this for now so I can live with a little worse peril generation

[manic needle]

As soon as Blessing Transfers come out Im honestly probably going to upgrade the Warp Flurry blessing on myVoidstrike from 2 to 4, it's surprisingly effective.

And 50% charge rate reduction on T4 Warp FLurry after 5 shots is insane for horde clearing

[elfin zenith]

that's probably my first choice for it

[manic needle]

I would say that Transfer Peril is still my top priority, especially on higher difficulties

[elfin zenith]

in my dream world you could rank up an existing blessing with materials

idk if I've seen Transfer Peril

[manic needle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1032844566971297833/1056302966035992586/Voidstrike.png

It stacks on multiple hits per projectile

So in hordes I can keep my peril at minimum

[elfin zenith]

uhhhhhhh

I would like that

I'm out here living like a peasant

[manic needle]

Before this new armoury app I spent weeks camping it every two hours lol

After that its just getting lucky

[unborn basalt]

What new armoury app?

[dull cedar]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/1000s5t/formally_announcing_the_armoury_exchange/
I think he mean this

check shop from browser

[manic needle]

Bingo

Thanks to that app I just picked up a 380 axe that ammounted to nothing special when consecrated

Its a good thing that the gameplay in Darktide is decent because honestly everything else about the game makes me not want to play it at all lol

[near wyvern]

That's pretty much as good as a void can get.

Perhaps if warp resist and quell was swapped but 380 with those perks and blessings is moist

[dull cedar]

my darktide day to day loop for the past week is

• check shop
• pickup some decent base stat weapons
• consecrate
• disappoint
• play other games, try again tomorrow

[manic needle]

You forgot the part where you spend hours farming Plasteel

[dull cedar]

I have a couple thousand plasteels left and I only consecrate once a day

if I don't get a good blessing at blue I'm trashing the thing

I pretty much play darktide 5 mins a day now lol

[manic needle]

Yeah that works until you start consecrating trinkets tbh

Thats what ate through most of my reserves

[dull cedar]

If I can find 17% toughness/21% health one that is

[manic needle]

Always the challenge, finding the 21%ers and then not getting two or more shitty perks

[dull cedar]

I havent seen any 17/21 for almost 2 weeks now

more plasteel for me I guess

[idle bay]

Weep with me, Siblings
Blessings are great.. but Damage is borked....

Got it from Melk one day just for Bleesing transfer in future

[near wyvern]

It's a 333 I wouldn't have gone all the way

Or is it Shit Melk?

[idle bay]

Yes Melk shated it out for me

[magic burrow]

Melk's selling this for me.

https://puu.sh/Jvuih/42cf280406.png

is that worth getting? Im not really familiar with the axes

also this one, but the stats seem horrible

https://puu.sh/JvuiD/e555fe5d2f.png

[steel egret]

No, no.

[hazy kindle]

this is a god roll wtf, brutal momentum is gnarly on antax

[elfin zenith]

this is a great axe

not perfect but should be lots of fun

[orchid nest]

it's alright, not worth melk coins though imo. decimator stacks fall off easily and you need some of the stacks to even make up for the damage/first target it's missing

[elfin zenith]

either of those Mks with brutal momentum has good single target dmg and good horde clear but they seem to come up pretty often and neither has long term stat rolls

[cloud sequoia]

do psykinetic wrath affects BB?

[quaint drum]

Man i just love the Purgatus staff. Burning with it is too much fun

Shame its light attack is so meh, makes ranged enemies super annoying

[near wyvern]

What do you mean. LMB has really good stagger.

[azure ice]

Whats quell cancelling

[near wyvern]

You cancel end of animation by tapping R

[inland sand]

got a new surge staff partner

yeehaw

is 16% tougness the highest you can get on a curio?

[cyan notch]

17%

[near wyvern]

Well that should cut it.

The question is, do you dare to upgrade it. Limbsplitter can make push attack even better but hurt your light spam.

[mental vortex]

excuse me

I spent the entire fucking match brain bursting random scabs

there was not a single moment where I was bellow the max

I force my team to pretty much become a 3 man team

and I dont even get the fucking penance

[inland sand]

I dare not

limb splitter would be sad 😦

gotta wait for that crafting patch ANY DAY NOW

[near wyvern]

Yeah, that's a wise move because based on the perks you can cut through groaners and poxwalkers with just 1 tap light spamming heads

Getting that infinity cleave

[compact cargo]

limb splitter is great on axes

Ur canceling anyway

So may as well get more damage

[near wyvern]

This is easier to do on herecy and damnation, especially high intensity

You can have fights that last longer than 300 seconds

[patent hatch]

Just run, Psychic Communium, Kinetfi Flayer and Ascendants Blaze. Occasionally BB you’ll get it and still be useful

[mental vortex]

no I have given up on this

I dont need pants anyways

[patent hatch]

Yeah I got mine in dammnation without even knowing it

[near wyvern]

Yeah but if you have a Mk V roll like that with Brutal momentum you don't need to cancel, just light spam and treat it like a lawn mower

[patent hatch]

Easiest Psyker feat no question

[hot zephyr]

It takes like 5 minutes to get, its so easy if you just look down and watch the timer for the charges

[patent hatch]

Pennance even

[compact cargo]

The push attack has a wider arc for the same damage and counts as first in combo, we are psykers so stam ain't an issue

[mental vortex]

I did look down I was looking at the timer the entire time

[hot zephyr]

Are you using a talent that dumps warp charges?

[mental vortex]

I kept that stack at 4 like I was getting paid to do it

[mental vortex]

nope

[hot zephyr]

Dunno what to tell you then, cus 250s is like literally 4 minutes and you need 5 minutes

[mental vortex]

the only feat I used that has any effect on charges is that %4 one

[hot zephyr]

Dunno what to tell you then, as long as you're on Malice and you keep an eye on your charges it's honestly easy as pie

[cloud sequoia]

I got it when i was lvl 5

Try Enclavum,

The end mission is easy to stack for 4 min

[magic burrow]

my warp battery penance is also at 250s after I tried to get it a few times. I eventually stopped trying as it was boring. Kind of weird that its at exactly 250s, but I assume thats just coincidence.

the annoying bit is that you need just a single overactive veteran to ruin your day

[hot zephyr]

I mean, if you just ask your teammates to let you burst the odd rando dude to keep your stacks up it should be easy

[cyan notch]

pretty easy to get tbh

[hot zephyr]

I got mine on Enclavum Baross, the section just before the end sequence with the Bridge of Martyrs, it came up in my "so close" achievements list and I was like "wow, i haven't maintained stacks for 300s before?" and then like the next mission I got it

[wet raven]

i just ran around with communion and flayer while rocking a recon D and held one for 280 seconds, my first attempt at running 6 charges i manages to get it without any Hassel on malice, its rather easy

[olive ember]

yeah with the right perks tbh warp battery is fairly easy to get

[patent hatch]

I got it bye accident, next to the pox hound penance it is easy af

[indigo creek]

?/10

[wet raven]

quietude out of sibling

it ight

[indigo creek]

looks like a wakanda mutant experiment

[shadow wigeon]

Burn stacks from guns have no relation to soul blaze stacks i assume...

[wet raven]

different kind of bleed effect

[shadow wigeon]

Yeah I assumed asking just in case

[vagrant cedar]

-3

[wet raven]

there bleed, burn, and soul burn, i dont believe any stack with another, i highly doubt anyway, any gun applied burn is like 5-10 stacks of burn, (typically like 80-120 damage per second for 5 seconds)

[near wyvern]

Ehenm.. it's soulblaze

[wet raven]

close enough mutant

[vagrant cedar]

burn only lasts 5s?

[wet raven]

i havent counted :V too lazy for that

but it starts degrading after a short period

[ornate hamlet]

What part of the body does surge staff secondary attack target?

[lilac raft]

hey just to be sure 3 of the staff have the same light attack, right?

[indigo creek]

is it really that bad

[tawdry shell]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1030839937370701844/1059114837155790989/image.png

this is good yeah?

what kinda weapon is DS

should I roll for crit with my perks?

[vagrant cedar]

looks like a scoobadiver

meets scholar meets medieval knight

[clear linden]

Its pretty solid. though if you were to reroll a perk, I'd chose the dmg one for a crit perk

you could probably keep rerolling a 4 pip crit chance

[warped perch]

I finally got a deflector force sword but idk if I should use it or not for defense lol

[keen siren]

I got the zealot and veteran to 30 and got my Psyker to level 11. The Psyker brain burst is slow, suffers perils of the warp limiting the number of uses, and if you target something far enough away, you likely draw more enemies. It is usually quicker to shoot or melee anything you would target with brain burst, if someone else didn't already kill it for you. The class staff weapon also suffers perils of the warp and targeting isn't great. If you do decide to use melee or ranged instead every other class is more durable and better at those things. In short, the psyker is just a garbage boat anchor.

[summer prairie]

finally some good analysis

[half iron]

you can quell peril

[summer prairie]

he has a level 11 psyker, do you

[half iron]

you can still hold r at level 0

[sonic halo]

What are some viable missions to do cliffhanger

[warped perch]

I think psyker is the most fun class but that’s my opinion

[mighty pike]

This is true but is critically the analysis of a psyker that hasn't got max level. Once you have your feats you have some utility but before then you aren't especially good at anything

[golden jackal]

I would say psyker brain burst is very good to take out specials far away. After you lock them in you don't need line of sight, so just peek, lock and you can hide and wait for them to die.

[half iron]

so true bestie

[golden jackal]

Also with proper build you can spam brain burst stupidly fast and without much perill

[half iron]

and there’s also the feat that has a chance of brain bursting targets on hit

[keen siren]

That's true, but its a corner case that doesn't get alot of opportunties

[mighty pike]

brainburst is an elite-killing tool and an otherworldly sniper rifle. It's not useful for much else

[half iron]

this game is also a cover shooter, peeking as a psyker is pretty cute abd swag

[summer prairie]

6-3 nearly halves BB charge time and by that point it's good against many targets

[keen siren]

It is, but something like that should be on the sharpshooter. In my opinion, the class needs a rework

[golden jackal]

You still have staffs for medium range and force sword that deals huge amounts of dmg in power up swing

[mighty pike]

That's fair. I agree the class as a concept is muddled

[mental vortex]

worth buying or too little difference?

[mighty pike]

My experience is psyker can do everything all at once kinda okay with a bit of luck and a lot of skill

[river sand]

people forget that brainburst is our grenade slot. its not meant to be used nonstop, its situational

[keen siren]

I don't have anything against the psyker as a class and love that it is an option. It just isn't good.

[half iron]

can be used nonstop if you edge your peril😳

[summer prairie]

you essentially haven't even played psyker yet

[mighty pike]

That's the thing: it can be at max level and with a lot of practice. It's just not as good as anything else at anything in particular

[river sand]

there's absolutly no need to keep up stacks all the time. the little dmg bonus usually doesnt even change any breakpoints. just take a feat that passivly generates em. use BB for snipers and bulwarks and maybe some far away specials but most of the time just dont touch it

[keen siren]

leveling up the veteran and zealot was much smoother. I just feel like I am going to let my team down on every mission, because I could do alot more to contribute with zealot or veteran. When I get a psyker on my team, I know they are either going to be amazing or hold us back.

[mental vortex]

overthinking

get void

click m2

win

[summer prairie]

BB is very good on gunners when ulting with 6-3, it's ~1.1s charge time while you can move and point and click

[river sand]

and with you staffs you got great options that dont need ammo or have a long animation pulling em out

[half iron]

bb is good when your veteran isn’t

[summer prairie]

it's a bit slower than a vet but 1.1s per kill while in cover/moving/dodging is good

[warped perch]

Bb is really useful for picking off super far away specials like snipers

[frigid marten]

the problem of BB is that use the peril you can't use for other stuff

[river sand]

you could go void and be the allrounder with great long range nuke capabilitys. purg and you're the horde clearer that doesnt suck up ammo. surge and you can perfectly deal with elites and become a melee monster cause you stun everything, close the distance and wrack havoc with your mk5. even trauma is great in high density situations

[half iron]

cover/moving/dodging while bb’ing is the best part. i would hate it if i did the opposite

purg staff users getting the “wow the witch is killing a lot” line after sneezing one time

[frigid marten]

is the problem of the force sword special: locked in an animation

[mental vortex]

dueling sword superiority

[mighty pike]

"justice does sometimes appear untidy"

[frigid marten]

playng other classes i don't find soo problematic the ammo.

[warped perch]

I feel like purg is too clunky

[half iron]

you’re too clunky😠😠😠

meanie-head

[mental vortex]

purg is bussin

[warped perch]

[frigid marten]

unless the zealot want to puff the flamer on all the enemies ammo for hordes are sufficent.

[warped perch]

I hate that you can’t be long range with purg unless you use bb

[summer prairie]

I think you are better off with 6-3 than 6-2 with purg

[frigid marten]

purgatus need a "critical bar" instead of the damage bar.

[boreal sun]

Purg needs a blessing that makes the flame on the ground do damage.

[mental vortex]

purgy needs a loving embrace from a user that doesnt compare it to the flamer all the time

[boreal sun]

Trauma staff needs a blessing that has a chance for it to "recast" at the same spot on a delay.

I want more blessings.

[frigid marten]

trauma need a better secondary fire aiming.

[river sand]

nah you need 6-2 for 5-2

[frigid marten]

maybe like the zealot abilty,

[summer prairie]

5-2 isn't useful

[boreal sun]

trauma should be able to be aimed at an enemy and it'll aim under them

[river sand]

its super usefull

[half iron]

more blue fire makes my beloved happy

[toxic mountain]

Why can't the shop be global D:

[river sand]

if you purg a horde the mixed in elites get 4 stacks everytime you get a stack. thats quite a lot

[boreal sun]

surge needs a blessing where you just use both hands and no staff.

[summer prairie]

the elites in the horde are already at max stacks, it only helps when the elites are out of your range

[half iron]

unlimited power

[river sand]

the elites are at max stacks after your second full charged attack, or after your fist with 5-2

[frigid marten]

well the other psiker class don't have smite instead of BB?

it's going to be that.

[warped perch]

Bugs beneath my heel!

[summer prairie]

though 5-2 does let you get over max (purg) stacks, not that it helps against most enemies

[warped perch]

The comms plex mission is ridiculous

With the interrogator in the middle

It’s like a shooting gallery

[near wyvern]

Yeah we got absolutely obliterated there on damnation high intensity

[naive sun]

Just stand in the rightmost corner with the interrogator, the data antenna blocks a lot of shots.

Also get a better Veteran in your squad.
If he’s not running Shooter 30, he’s bad.

[echo parrot]

The fuck is Shooter 30

[naive sun]

Vet’s level 30 Feats

[echo parrot]

So if they aren't level 30 they are bad?

That's how that works apparently

[naive sun]

What are they doing on Damnation without level 30???

[warm flint]

can anyone confirm if the surge staff hits weakspots

[naive sun]

Pretty sure it just does body and critical.

[echo parrot]

After reaching level 20 on my second psyker I only pugged heresy and damnation so it's whatever. At least with vet if you can click heads you can be effective

[warm flint]

hmm, so weakspot damage perk is useless

[echo parrot]

Granted if they are like level 5 or something in heresy/damnation then it's like bruh

[naive sun]

Basically the Vet can get a feat at 30 that highlights shooters for him as well as Elites and Specials, and every kill on such refreshes his combat ability duration.

W/o it, Vets are often taking more cover than returning fire.
In that Commsplex room that was being discussed, there’s a constant funnel of Shooters dropping in.

So in Damnation, you definitely want a Vet in your squad with the Shooter highlighting 30 Feat.

[echo parrot]

I am aware, I have 30 vet and run that very feat.

[naive sun]

Bonus points if they also have the feat for 75% Ranged resistance in focus fire.
Because then they can’t be stopped while clearing the Shooters.

[near wyvern]

Surge and purge always hit body but both can crit

On crits, purge applies double stacks

Surge deals most damage to the first target and then additional targets hit get damaged less and less. However, the damage against armour is so much better than damage vs flesh that it will deal more damage to second target than the first if first one is unarmoured and second is flak

[warm flint]

alright, i get that, but on my surge staff, it rolled with plus dmg to weakspot hit

and im wondering if that even does anything at all

[summer prairie]

on left click

[cyan notch]

my bad

sorry team i let u guys down

[sage flower]

triggering a roll on the perils table right out of the loading screen is a bit excessive. Seems like a skill issue.

[near wyvern]

You just need a better gaming chair

[inland sand]

this is the best bug I've seen yet

[lapis linden]

what kind of bug was that?

[inland sand]

an amazing one that I wish had happened to me

[cyan notch]

ask fatshark

[lapis linden]

No wonder psykers are treated as monster with powers like that

[bitter jasper]

hey guys, is this a good buy?

[spiral kayak]

does anyone have the new black skull cosmetic with the heresy armour that i can look at ?

[spring barn]

Deffo good rolls. Decent perks, not terribly good blessings. But supposedly we’re gonna be able to swap those out here soon so might be worth the buy just to have as a stat stick till then

[near wyvern]

Warp resist roll is unfortunate and first target is a bit low

You either want to have FS for quickly dispatching mutants with special or clearing trash by reaching 200 unarmoured and 300 infested weakspot break points.

You should check the break down (notice those values are without any buffs and perks affecting the damage)

My guess is you can't clear damnation trash well with it and mutants are also not that fast to kill with it.

[bitter jasper]

thanks, definitely better than what i have now. i might grab it till i can get something better

[azure lion]

just started playing, does my ability charge faster when i level up? its so slow lmao

[near wyvern]

No but at lvl 30 you can choose a feat for your ultimate to allow you to charge it faster and for lower cost for 10 seconds

[azure lion]

not my ultimate, my right/left click, the hand one

[split oxide]

Duelling vs Claw : which is best at CC?
Opinion

[near wyvern]

Psykinetic's Wrath is the ult

[azure lion]

oh! thank you haha

[summer prairie]

note that it says 25% but it's close/exactly 50% faster

[split oxide]

Would it even matter?
All you ave to do is Quell BELOW 97% and you'll be fine to BB again.

• test it at psykarnium
• FS snuck in a 1-2 sec delay before quell begins .. so get the cadance right

[near wyvern]

Haven't counted frames yet but it definitely feels a bit faster than 25%

[summer prairie]

I timed it with a stopwatch

at least the actual charging is that much faster, maybe not overall due to all the animations and such afterwards

[near wyvern]

It's 97 or below. You are safe at 97.

When you have 50 peril or less you can pop ult and cast 4 BB out before you have to quell for more.

If you run warp battery + inner tranquility you can get this amount to 6.

And those are not including the first pop before ult.

If your vet sucks you can run psykinetic's aura from the third column as well.

Play it right and you have 1 free BB before you ult, then you ult and have 7 BB to kill 5 elites and you can ult again to save you from the peril explosion but that is way too sweaty for me.

[alpine portal]

claw for sure, but your staff is cc why are you using a melee for cc?

dont let me dissuade you from playing your way, trying to give advice if needed 🙂

[near wyvern]

I guess the only reasonable way to rub claw is when you run surge

Because surge on horde is like hitting a mutant with a wet noodle

[alpine portal]

I dont like surge... so idk

🙂

[near wyvern]

It looks cool but doesn't change anything

[alpine portal]

lol valid. most of us dont care what you run as long as your doing your part to help win

[near wyvern]

Surge is good but I don't like to pug with it because you have to rely on your team for killing stuff.

Most players (especially on herecy+) run forward until they die so it will anyways be up to you to finish what they started and pick them up so that they can do it all over again

[summer prairie]

surge handles everything very well without any help

except dreg shooters i guess

[near wyvern]

Found the malice player

[summer prairie]

but you can get close

i only play damnation

[near wyvern]

So you telling me surge handles the horde well on damnation?

[alpine portal]

its why I run purga and fs, usually you have two clears and one vet, lets me flex position as needed

[summer prairie]

no but that is what melee is for

[near wyvern]

I do purge and duelling sword, easier to solo bosses with it.

[alpine portal]

bb the back elites, fs the carapace and ragers, flame the hord.

[summer prairie]

just saying you dont need help from other people

[alpine portal]

I have a really nice fs with deflector. I feel almost obglated to use it 🙂

[near wyvern]

And the circle is complete.

I was arguing that devil's claw is only really a justified option if you are running surge

[alpine portal]

I run Dueling sword with my Void staff tho

[summer prairie]

you said you need to rely on your team for killing stuff, that's what I disputed

[near wyvern]

Just read the god damn messages before you hop into an argument 🙈

[summer prairie]

certainly less than if you run voidstrike

[split oxide]

"but your staff is cc why are you using a melee for cc"
I need advice: I suck at Heresy: Voidstaff + ForceSword. << is that sub-optimal?
I run malice on High-Intensity without a problem.. get hammered on Heresy.
(swarmed all the time)

[near wyvern]

Yes you need to rely on your team to kill the horde while you are dealing with the bulwakrs and crushers.

With purge it's just so much easier to burn the horde, kite the big guys and then BB or melee them down after you have eaten all the trash

[alpine portal]

nothing is sub optimal.. ususally. more you gotta play to your kit

[long wharf]

welp, FartShart PR is liars

[river zodiac]

True

[split oxide]

"Play with my kit" == try diff kit?
I was thinking Duelling or Claw.... looking for opinion to try next

[long wharf]

dueling swords make you fast

[alpine portal]

try everthing

[long wharf]

combat axes make you deadly

[near wyvern]

Woops wrong image

@alpine portal

This mine, so I have +20 unarmoured and +25 infested on it for one tapping horde

Using it whenever I void or play gun psyker

[alpine portal]

thats better than mine

[split oxide]

true - my mistake was chainaxe: too easy to get swarmed

[near wyvern]

Gun Psyker is sub optimal

[long wharf]

here's my best blocking fsword, and I don't even use it

I'm holding onto this for when blessings get fixed and crafting is in

[near wyvern]

Force sword is nice but with a staff I usually like to have auto quelling while I reposition

[long wharf]

yep, precisely why I use my caxe

my caxe can kill things on damnation, and it doesn't even have the two blessings I want on it

[near wyvern]

No Burtal Momentum?

[long wharf]

nope, nor limbsplitter

[long wharf]

yeah, but it can still split the domes of maulers and ravagers

helps on crushers as well

[covert valve]

HAVE you guys seen surge blessing??

[long wharf]

seen on other people's gear, but not mine

[near wyvern]

But Burtal Momentum is just so...

[long wharf]

I 100% agree, just didn't get lucky when upgrading that caxe

as soon as the fucking crafting system is implemented, and we can move blessings, I'm going to

I have garbage gear with all the blessings I want ready to go

[near wyvern]

What in the name of emperor is this???

[split oxide]

Behold, my stuff.

[long wharf]

speaking of which, I need to go test this out in the meat grinder

[near wyvern]

First and second one meh.

Third one (duelling sword) is 🔥

[long wharf]

after I roll +5% melee crit chance on it

[covert valve]

do we want blazing spirit for fast swapping on the surge staff?

[long wharf]

I wouldn't

[covert valve]

whats the reasoning for blazing spirit on the force sword

[long wharf]

to see if it can be made a viable applicator of soulblaze

[split oxide]

Really? I appreciate the opinion.
I've been using FS for mauler/rager/crusher stuff... but CC seems to be my weakpoint these days.

[covert valve]

yes look at these force swords this is what real power looks like!

[long wharf]

I wouldn't use superiority on fsword

[long wharf]

you aren't going to be killing elites fast enough via fsword for that to be worthwhile

[near wyvern]

Because you can get Bloodthirsty on it as well.

So you special a trash and then all your hits are critical for a couple seconds.

Blazing Spirit applies X stacks per hit. Critical hits always apply double blaze stacks so you get twice the amount per hit that is listed.

Also, special attack is single attack with multiple hits, so when you have guaranteed hits and slap something with the special, you basically get the cap amount of stacks.

If you kill something with it, you can repeat.

[long wharf]

and finesse is definitely not a dump stat for fsword

[split oxide]

I'm listening....

[long wharf]

fsword is a good single target nuke (up until heresy+)

[near wyvern]

If you want to improve that Mk II duellig sword, roll the +8% elite damage either into +25 flak or + weakspot damage

[long wharf]

but if you have to do two special charged attacks to kill something, you've already lost whatever superiority stacks you had

[warped perch]

Omg I didn’t know you could apply Aquila staff skins to all staves

Now my void staff can look like a surge

[long wharf]

I never gauge setups by how they perform at malice-

[long wharf]

personally, I'd rather my staff look recognizable for what it does

[warped perch]

Nah

[near wyvern]

Yeah that can be a decent, but the problem is targets probably die faster than what the crit chance is worth for blazing spirit

[warped perch]

That’s heresy

[long wharf]

to each their own

[vagrant cedar]

hmmm

To Login, or not to Login

that's the question

[warped perch]

That’s not the imperium way

[split oxide]

processing .. prorcessing...

[unique barn]

Whats the thinking on curios for Damnation?

[covert valve]

can u link bloodthristy i havnt seen it

[unique barn]

1 wound, 2 toughness? or health?

[long wharf]

uh, yay god emperor?ᵍᵒ ᵗᶻᵉᵉⁿᶜʰ

[long wharf]

for my psyker, I run 2 health 1 wound

at all times

[near wyvern]

@covert valve

[long wharf]

there's never a time I swap out curios based on difficulty

[unique barn]

yeah been running tough and it seems pointless

[long wharf]

toughness very much is pointless

[near wyvern]

We are the same.

[unique barn]

ok thanks

[near wyvern]

You can go with 2 toughness and kinetic shield

But kinetic deflection is just too good especially when pugging

[split oxide]

toughness + toughness regen > health?

[unique barn]

yeah i use kinteric

kinetic*

[near wyvern]

And of you don't go kinetic shield you shouldn't run toughness curios

[long wharf]

just toughness regen on your curios will do

[frigid marten]

The why health is better is sticked

[long wharf]

check the pinned messages in this channel

so many people have asked and they've been answered, referencing toughness vs health curios

[near wyvern]

Plus flamer flames instantly remove your toughness no matter how much you have

[long wharf]

yep

[unique barn]

yeah it gets critical on damnation, like 2-3 shot kill

[split oxide]

thanks

[long wharf]

if you really want to lean into the shield psyker concept, you could go +3 stamina curios

[unique barn]

maybe if i find a deflection sword :p

[warped perch]

Wtf 😠

Everyone knows slaanesh is better than tzeench

[long wharf]

look, I did a little reading, and frankly, tzeentch is easily the best of the chaos gods

[split oxide]

I was told: "dont cosplay jedi, sht's gotta die fast"
I only reverted to deflector lately:
FS AI is 'spreading out dregs behind cover' lately

[frigid marten]

On damnation: If the team is good you don’t need extra wounds. If the team is bad you will die when downed.

[long wharf]

eh, shit still happens and you can still recover

having an extra wound gives you a little extra leeway for the team recovering

nobody should be running damnation with only two wounds

[vast oasis]

wounds are a trap stat

[unique barn]

plus the occasional explode

[long wharf]

that's grounds for a paddlin

[ornate hamlet]

lmao what?

[frigid marten]

If the team is good they can recover the occasional dead.

[long wharf]

what what?

in the butt.

next question.

[naive sun]

If you’re blocking bullets as a Psyker with your force sword, you’re also not killing or BB’ing the things making the bullets happen.
And cover also blocks bullets, but doesn’t cost Stamina, and doesn’t break BB locks.

[dense wasp]

Is that an app?

[cyan notch]

looked at frames from start of charge to peril jump on pop and its 2.25s normally to 1.36s with kb and thats like 40% faster

[long wharf]

no question, you buy that unicorn

[split oxide]

So in Heresy+: a psyker should switch from Artillery to CC?

[naive sun]

A Good Psyker can do both.

[long wharf]

depends on team comp

I much prefer to run surge in heresy+

[naive sun]

BB is the Artillery most times.
Your Staff is your CC.

[long wharf]

if the team doesn't have long range kill (vet), then I'll go void

I almost never run purge

[split oxide]

So Voidstrike is out?

[frigid marten]

Surge is a role other classes can’t replace

[long wharf]

but you can, if you like it, and you don't have a zealot with a flamer

nah, void has a place

you just have to charge your shots more

[naive sun]

Voidstrike is good for killing hordes, not just stunning them.

[vast oasis]

void is for fun

[jovial quail]

Bruh I managed to do 500 special condition missions before doing this penance lol. Got it first try too at hab drayko. I figured it was going to be near impossible due to everyone always instantly focusing on elites but getting into a room before anyone joins made it so easily doable

[long wharf]

it can also be reliable for staggering elites

[split oxide]

not for business?

[long wharf]

void is fun and business

but it's very one-trick-pony

as is purge

[vast oasis]

the best place for pick n mix is the new espionage mission
the specials spawn in the back of the room, in groups of 4

[long wharf]

surge is a tactical staff

[vast oasis]

all gunners

[near wyvern]

What about delta time from beginning of one cast to the beginning to other (include the after cast animation to the duration)

[long wharf]

you have to be constantly aware of what's going on around you, deciding what's best to stun lock or kill (scab shooters)

[covert valve]

what perks/blessing would you prioritize for curios?

[cyan notch]

its doable enough on heresy and damnation naturally tbh theres millions of gunners and shotgunners

[jovial quail]

@vast oasis Yeah like there have always been scenarios that I couldve done it but its just one of those get in your head type penances thinking you'll never get it because of teamates lmao. Kinda kicking myself right now.

[long wharf]

I put resistances and block efficiency on all of mine

toughness regen too

[vast oasis]

grats tho, i hated that penance

[summer prairie]

Pick 'n' mix is a good penance, you get it without even trying just by playing the game

[jovial quail]

Thanks officially finished with Pysker penances so pretty happy

[split oxide]

So:
Duelling + Surge == "not-enough-punch" ("too much focusing on CC")?

[long wharf]

you need a melee weapon capable of clearing the horde when you use surge

and not just one or two at a time, you want to be able to clear the horde fast

that's where the Mk V Combat Axe comes in

slaps hood of combat axe

this baby can kill so many hordes.

[naive sun]

Combat Axes kill things one or two at a time though.

[split oxide]

I have vague recollections of Surge not covering enough hordes.

• yeah, I guess CC meless makes sense.

[near wyvern]

Welcome to the goggles gang

[covert valve]

gunner resistance?

[cyan notch]

u can use ascendant blaze with whatever melee for horde

[naive sun]

Reliable killing that you know is happening, even on Damnation… But still single target.

[long wharf]

I prefer sniper and mutant resistance

gunner resistance is nice, but it doesn't apply to shooters

[covert valve]

hell yeah brother got mine last year

[long wharf]

and it's the mobs that will gun you down on heresy+

[mighty pike]

You're getting hit by snipers?

[summer prairie]

or mutants?

[jovial quail]

@near wyvern Thanks I'm still not quite sure I can give up the dope douchebag metal collar though

[long wharf]

when you don't know they're there

yeah, shit happens

[summer prairie]

there are just way more gunners and they hit you more often

[cyan notch]

gunners dont do any damage

[jovial quail]

I wish I could see what the mask in the shop would look like with this set with the rebreather but not wasting $ just on chance.

[summer prairie]

they aren't alone

curio perks in general are pretty underwhelming

[cyan notch]

no theyre pretty good

[vast oasis]

highly recommend Antax Combat Mk V , with Decimator/HeadHunter + Brutal Momentum blessing if you can find one

[summer prairie]

nah

[cyan notch]

60% mutant resist and i take 2 damage from a mutant

[summer prairie]

especially for psykers

[near wyvern]

Duelling is not that great against huge hordes, same is for surge and BB is shit against a horde

So there is a hole in your build, either go with an axe or FS or switch to purge or void

[cyan notch]

compared to like 20ish

[vagrant cedar]

i got it, and the feels meh compared to purge

[summer prairie]

mutants are like 50/50 whether they even do damage to you and you can reliably dodge them

unless you are stuck in a horde

[vagrant cedar]

I'd prefer the 280dmg gun on psyker vs the surge

[long wharf]

because you're trying to use it like a purge staff

[vagrant cedar]

maybe

nah i was trying to use it as a small AOE gun

[long wharf]

surge is not the hammer purge is

surge is a small knife

[vagrant cedar]

i disliked the "projectile" mechanics

[long wharf]

you use it tactically

[vagrant cedar]

it doesn't track and it takes time to land

[long wharf]

what the hell are you talking about?

[vagrant cedar]

surge staff attacks??

[naive sun]

Mutants don’t pound you if you’re next to a wall.

[long wharf]

are you using the primary attack?

[vagrant cedar]

both?

[long wharf]

why aren't you throwing lightning around?

[vagrant cedar]

what lightning

it's the fireballs

[split oxide]

"Duelling is not that great against huge hordes"
but you want me to switch to "axe or FS" << aren't they even more 'single foe only' ?

[long wharf]

then you meant void

not surge

[vagrant cedar]

ahh ffs

i used the voidstrike not surge

lmfaoo

[naive sun]

He means the primary attack

Non-Purg Staff primary

[vagrant cedar]

they was so close to each other

miss clicked

[long wharf]

...

skill issue.

[naive sun]

Just buy both

[vagrant cedar]

1st day issues.

i own both

[cyan notch]

gunners have broken my toughness like maybe twice

99% of the time theyre easily avoided and killed

[summer prairie]

it's not like you are fighting gunners 1v1

[naive sun]

Gunners exist to stop ranged accuracy.

[summer prairie]

you are fighting groups of them along with other shooters

[cyan notch]

groups of them dont do anything other than hitting u for 1 damage

[summer prairie]

maybe go check their damage again

[cyan notch]

and the other shooters will shred you either way

[summer prairie]

but you are running mutant resistance instead? Bizarre

[vagrant cedar]

i don't get the stamina curious tho

i got one +3 and i get only 1 in game

[summer prairie]

they are all +1

[long wharf]

they might be bugged, then

which wouldn't be terribly surprising

[vagrant cedar]

some say +2 and +3

[cyan notch]

i find it exceptionally bizzare that people are running gunners

[vagrant cedar]

at first i thought gunners includes all the shooters

but devs are that special that they made gunners only 3 enemies

out of all like 10 shooting enemies

[desert lance]

Monster classification in this game is goofy overall

[frigid marten]

Gunners are still the most common elite capable of damage a character

[cyan notch]

no

[vagrant cedar]

mutant is

[cyan notch]

shotgunners are

[summer prairie]

mutant should do no damage to you ever

[vagrant cedar]

you can't get defence against shotgunners tho

[frigid marten]

But we don’t have shotgunner reduction

[naive sun]

Just Dodgeslide the Mutant grab.

[vagrant cedar]

yes it works like 50% of the time

unless you got 80% mobility

[desert lance]

I'll worry way more about shotgunners than gunners.

And yea. Sidestep the angry boy

[cyan notch]

yes but when you have 3 mutants plus a horde plus other stuff to worry about and one non perfect dodge and u get hit

[naive sun]

100% of the time if they come straight at you from a short distance.

[cyan notch]

soloing any one enemy is easy

[vagrant cedar]

go solo the demon

i'll wait

[desert lance]

I've seen it done.

Zealot of course.

[vagrant cedar]

i doubt it was easy tho

[cyan notch]

its probably possible although it will take quite a while

[desert lance]

Hammer zealot. Like 3 swings.

[merry wyvern]

I mean if you know you’re getting grabbed by a mutant just put your back to a wall/obstacle

[vagrant cedar]

if you have a small ramp, you can do it with psyker as well

cause the pathing in this game is so shit

it bugs the demon

he doesn't "fly" he just "walks"

[cyan notch]

well yes or dodge everyone knows this but in a horde around corners etcetc sometimes u just get caught

[vagrant cedar]

and he can't blimd the ramp, he has to walk around it

i like how mutants can go 180 around corners and boxes

[naive sun]

Crackhead Strength & Agility

[vagrant cedar]

it's liek that overwatch hero

who can latch onto stuff and spin around it fast

[merry wyvern]

Wrecking ball

Dodging mutants around corners is like trying to dodge soldier 76’s bullets when he’s ulting

[split oxide]

@near wyvern so both loadouts have holes?am i getting the meme wrong?

[desert lance]

To me, hounds seem the hardest to dodge reliably. They warp to get their tackle. At least they can be pushed easily.

[cyan notch]

ive only dodged when theyre max distance leap

otherwise their hitbox is so big u just get jumped anyway

[split oxide]

I've been lucky with duelling 'special' vs hounds

[cyan notch]

even pushing sometimes when theyre running around like sanic it doesnt work for some reason and the annoying aoe stun on pounces doesnt help

[naive sun]

You can sometimes Push Hounds mid pounce, but you can’t ever reliably dodge them.

You need a melee with strong push stagger.

[cyan notch]

idk bout that one

every push worked for me

[desert lance]

Got a 30 vet, 30 zealot and 15 ogryn and I'm not sure what we need but, we need something for psyker.

Maybe a tad more feat synergy

[cold heath]

I noticed a while ago if you have a wall aligned with the direction it's running in, put your back to it, it'll run nearly against the wall and just before it grabs you, dodge *toward it you'll go past the mutant and it can't turn 360 so it'll just keep running till it hits another wall/person

[mighty pike]

Just solod a beast of Nurgle on heresy and didn't get the penance 😐

[cold oasis]

I would take even just feats that make sense.

We have maybe 1 decent perk per line

[jovial quail]

@cold heath I just like knife moveteching through my teamates to let them get grabbed

[cold heath]

I solod a beast of nurgle cause team wiped and got sniped the second I turned into a hallway

[graceful otter]

Tough

[supple skiff]

nothing like doging a mutant, a dog, and getting followed up by a sniper which is there now apparently

[graceful otter]

If you hear a mutant just use the nearest ogryn as a wall ez

[supple skiff]

fucking guys have a sixth sense

[mighty pike]

Zealot says they shot it and killed it for the final blow 😐

And I was immediately poxbombered

[graceful otter]

Zealot’s are goobers

They don’t understand the Psyker grind

[mighty pike]

God the penances in this game are shit

Shit penances for shit cosmetics

[supple skiff]

intended frustration to drive you to the paid shop change my mind

[frigid marten]

Penance are supposed to be changed but we don’t know how and when

[alpine portal]

all the cosmetics are crap. maybe there is like lore stuff im missing, like maybe "this is xyz chacters cloths man thats sick."

[valid lake]

soild plan except are cosmetics are toilets

[alpine portal]

one is a literal one 🙂

[supple skiff]

I'd say there's two lol

[valid lake]

rip day 700 of no psyker gear in the shop for me

[tropic lagoon]

My favorite is getting a god roll vet weapon on my psyker

[valid lake]

just like my god rolled kantral 12 as a gift from big e

[tropic lagoon]

Or literally never seeing the "Power Cycler" perk

[supple skiff]

cycler is the most busted shit

[jovial quail]

@valid lake Don't worry, i'm still using gear from beta You're not alone

[supple skiff]

and for some ungodly reason the power sword slaughterer perk lasts 3.5 seconds (might be 3) to the power sword's 2

[mighty pike]

Is it just me.
Or are Heresy players on average WORSE than malice players

[supple skiff]

been my experience

played a bunch of heresy 2 days ago, lost every match. Was the last man standing on most runs, despite giving up meds to the more wounded

[mighty pike]

They all watch each others backs, stick together, target prioritise worse than your average malice player

[near wyvern]

Mk V Combat Axe is far from single target with brutal momentum

[near wyvern]

Force Sword work with void because you have void to deal with hordes and ranged, force sword to deal with horde and elites/specials in your face and BB to deal with elites/specials from afar

It has no holes, it has overlapping features

Surge with duelling sword can work but you will struggle if you find yourself surrounded with trash mobs.

[supple skiff]

I don't bother with damnation, but I've heard that from heresey to damnation there's another big jump in avg player ability

like there's something about heresy that brings out the dead weight

[mighty pike]

Everyone is dead in my heresy games

[near wyvern]

It's a bit hit and miss.

At times you get players who know to take it slow and know the only way to survive is to cover each others arses. When it's like that, it's smooth sailing and you forget you are even playing damnation.

Other times you get people who treat it like malice. They run forward until they go down and when you revive then and tell them to group up, they ignore, continue with their play style, and finally when they are abducted and they see how far they spawned they leave the mission.

[supple skiff]

moment thag got me to stop playing heresy was getting downed by a gunner that I did'n have peril left to block. And having a zealot come and revive me with the gunnur maybe 5 feet away with no other pressure and getting dropped by said gunner that laid into them while trying to revive me

[sage flower]

force sword seems like it's trash in melee horde

[ornate hamlet]

my only regret with staff psyker is i can't steal ammo from the veteran 😦

[mighty pike]

Me and one other guy clutched this heresy game just now on throneside because two of them ran ahead all the way to the skyfire system before dying

We did manage it though

[mighty pike]

You CAN make it work with liberal use of your push and force shove but it's not easy

[near wyvern]

Not at all.

Push has infinite cleave and my FS can 2 tap light groaner & poxwalker heads and 1 tap heavy them without any additional buffs.

It's not best DPS but you can't find a safer weapon.

[supple skiff]

think the main problem is players prioritize getting kills over defensive/survival based play

that chip damage adds up

[mighty pike]

Attrition is the killer of runs above malice

[sage flower]

sounds like the ogryn shield then. Which is also a trash weapon. Don't get me wrong, force sword is fantastic within its niche, but i don't think you're convincing when you say it's a good melee horde weapon. Good does in fact imply both speed and safety, not just safety.

[near wyvern]

And that people contest for kills instead of watching the backdoor when 3 of your team already got the front

[alpine portal]

people dont realize that the uses of melee weapons.

[mighty pike]

That or sixteen crusher's in a small box

[near wyvern]

Well... You can also revive in the middle of shooters and melee so trust me, it is good.

[mighty pike]

Always is true

[sage flower]

but not at killing melee hordes. Read what I wrote again: it is fantastic within it's niche. Killing melee hordes is not its niche.

[alpine portal]

a nice ult, knock most things down, get the orgryn back up start blasting away while big boy does his job

[near wyvern]

It is good at killing, not best =/= not good

[mighty pike]

Force sword is an item that is excellent when you are surrounded by players who can give you even just a little bit of support

[sage flower]

like you wouldn't say "run force sword and surge, because the force sword covers your melee horde weakness from surge"

[alpine portal]

so most games....

[supple skiff]

FS has decent horde clear wit slaughterer

[mighty pike]

I am using force sword and purgatus well enough currently

[mighty pike]

Except heresy, apparently

[alpine portal]

every heresy pup I have played has ended on first section

[sage flower]

yeah, that works out well, because the purgatus staff covers the weakness of the sword: dealing with hordes.

[elfin roost]

Fkin ey it didnt post right

Here, am bully dog

[alpine portal]

lmafo

[near wyvern]

@sage flower perhaps you just have not gotten a good enough roll on damage, finesse and first target

[mighty pike]

I believe in dog harassment

[elfin roost]

I slapped him so hard he exploded!

[alpine portal]

unacceptible today, but in 38k years its totally cool

[alpine portal]

no.... orgyn thats... never mind yes good

[mighty pike]

I want to ask you to add and reverse this after it gets in the corner so the slapping continues for twice as long

[elfin roost]

Will do

[sage flower]

Perhaps, but if you need a god roll on stats and blessing in order for the weapon to be performative, it isn't good at the thing you're using it for.

[ornate hamlet]

Is this a zealot or a psyker, can't tell

[mighty pike]

Psyker

[fast swan]

good or mid?

for sire melk

[mighty pike]

You can tell cause of the gloves. We're only allowed one type of gloves

[mighty pike]

Also it's psyker legs and there's the psyker logo stamp on the chestplate

[near wyvern]

What's the point of god roll if it makes no difference?

[sage flower]

giving people advice based on god rolls is dumb.

[supple skiff]

if you qualify your statements, not in the sightest

[sage flower]

You're effectively giving people bad advice that might work out if they get phenomenally lucky.

he didn't qualify his original statements though.

it was only when challenged did he resort to saying "well, you didn't get a god roll so that's probably why".

[supple skiff]

well thats the case for every weapon

[jovial frigate]

who let my wife update the shop

[elfin roost]

I added 10 seconds of dog slapping fun

[near wyvern]

Bot everyone pushes damnation as well so is it bad advice then to give it assuming damnation?

A lot of non god rolls work the same on herecy and lower

[supple skiff]

if your stat rolls are bad, yeah that item won't be great, doesn't mean the archetype is bad

[sage flower]

not true at all. If you get a midling roll power maul, you will do fine at horde management as an ogryn. Same for a cleaver, a combat axe as psyker, etc. Weapons don't need god rolls to be performative within their niche.

[mighty pike]

Incredible. You could take that whole section of clip and stitch it so it repeats all the slaps if you wanted

[near wyvern]

This is my FS, I have changed the weakspot into +25 infested for reaching the break points

You don't need that roll to be that godly as you can see

[jovial frigate]

weapon archetype and mk are definitely more important

[graceful zephyr]

you can always tell its a psyker if you see that metal collar around the neck. All psyker chest pieces have to have that collar for head cosmetics.

[jovial frigate]

i.e. any agrip brauto on zealot will pump compared to a 380 graia brauto

[pseudo dome]

Anyone know if there are blessings that increase brain burst damage?

[jovial frigate]

a few

[supple skiff]

slaughterer, in a round about way

[sage flower]

pretty sure you're going to struggle to kill hordes with any sort of efficiency regardless, using just that and not a staff. You will be safe doing it, that isn't being contested. But you're going to be slow as molasses.

Like an optimized knife build zealot trying to handle a horde.

[jovial frigate]

i think % power in general will scale bb

[pseudo dome]

ty

[crisp storm]

so what melee weapon are we using with surge, to follow up on the previous FS discussion?

[mighty pike]

Alternate attack

[near wyvern]

"pretty sure" as in you haven't tried one yourself

[worthy pulsar]

Hello!
Can you give some tips how to do a pick n' mix for psyker easily?

[near wyvern]

Of course staff is better, staff is better than Mk V momentum. I never claimed it's the best

[sage flower]

not that exact stat spread. But I welcome you proving me wrong. Record a damnation horde being soloed with the force sword, and time yourself.

[jovial frigate]

i dont really kit my force swords for hordes anymore

[mighty pike]

What do you mean pick & mix?

[near wyvern]

You my friend have completely forgotten the reason you have a melee weapon in the first place

[worthy pulsar]

penance

[mighty pike]

I haven't heard of that one yet

[near wyvern]

You can't solo damnation with surge, still it is one of the best staves there is

[jovial frigate]

ideal force sword im looking for is like 74+ dam/finesse/first target with maniac and +weakspot or +special

[sage flower]

you claimed that force sword was good at melee hordes. All I'm asking is for substantiation, not you to retreat from your original position in a goalpost backslide.

[vast oasis]

go to the new espionage mission, with the elevator hold-out section
sit at the lobby area that you pass through, on the far side of the room from the switch
gunners spawn 4 at a time from there, sometimes a special as well

[near wyvern]

So why on earth you think force sword with is very versatile and not best at horde clear while still being good at it should be timed for a solo run that requires many things

[torn bison]

I just want you all to know, zealot chat thinks you all are stinky and need to shower at least once a day

[fluid knot]

Force sword is bad at horde clear unless you have Slaughterer on it, then its kinda mid

Just my two cents

[worthy pulsar]

got it

[worthy pulsar]

thank you

[sage flower]

well, first off, I asked for you to record soloing a damnation horde, not a damnation mission. Can you even read?

[near wyvern]

You can't solo a damnation with a veteran using Mk XII, still it is considered one of the best things in the game

[mighty pike]

Zealots can't distinguish their toes from their fingers without the Emperor's guidance. I'm not listening to them

[idle bay]

Zealot = "Karen" with a flamer and eviscerator

[near wyvern]

@sage flower

Not my footage but the fastest one available.

He doesn't seem to have a god damage roll on it but as I said, for something to be good it doesn't have to be best DPS. People overlook the value of safety.

https://youtu.be/YPyLCwOOgnw

[alpine portal]

If I main psyker and zelot does that make me a smelly karen?

[mighty pike]

No because I do the same thing

[proud mantle]

wait if i get disconnected from the hub world at mission end i dont get the rewards?

[sage flower]

in the first 3 minutes, he dies to a rager because he spent 15 seconds focusing on meleeing 5 normal enemies.

speed is in many ways, safety.

[vast oasis]

lol he really exploded to push block using force sword

[near wyvern]

That's a personal mistake not the weapons

[vast oasis]

20 swings just to kill 5 normal mobs

jesus thats cringe to watch

[near wyvern]

It's not a good damage roll he using

[sage flower]

being able to efficiently destroy a melee horde is good. If you're safe, but the horde is too, because all you can do is limply flail the force sword around, you're giving the game more time to throw things at you which break that safety. Specials that overwhelm, ragers that overhwhelm, etc.

[near wyvern]

I can kill normal mobs in 2 light or 1 heavy swings at Damnation

[sage flower]

the force sword is not a good horde weapon, and honest advice would admit this.

[torn bison]

Can someone post their godly FS with deflector plz? I need the release of seeing one, my shop has been dogwater

[mighty pike]

This is a lot of argument for something that can be proved either way by getting a good force sword and just trying it out

[valid lake]

right from his comments on the video Force sword is...meh. There is a lot that is cool and I want to like it, but it forces you into using feat 3.1 for souls and 1.1 for toughness because the autovent is 2.5x worse than every other melee weapon which is normally pretty strong but feels bad when you are on the backfoot--a "win more" kind of build that works well when things are already going well. The damage into horde is nice and with a bit more investment I could get to the mutant and rager 1 shots which are nice.

[mighty pike]

I have a semi-mediocre one

[sage flower]

that isn't to say the force sword is a bad weapon. Just that your secondary should have horde clearing capability to cover it's actual weakness.

[torn bison]

bro that's hot af imma nut tyty

[fluid knot]

Agreed, with Slaughterer blessing its mid, but for DPS all the Axes beat it out by quite a margin

[full kite]

sooo what would y'all suggest as a secondary for lightning for when you gotta melee a horde

[valid lake]

the answer is always antrax mk 5 axe

[vast oasis]

antax combat mk 5

[full kite]

I like FS + lightning single target but I feel like dogshit if I have to melee horde

[fluid knot]

I like MKII Caxe.. Braces for incoming fallout

[elfin roost]

suicide bomber just took out the entire team

[full kite]

noted I'll try one out when I get the chance

[crisp storm]

axes need to have brutal momentum, yeah?

[fluid knot]

Dont need, but its a big help

[vast oasis]

they dont have to but its nice

[sage flower]

he has a better damage roll than you m8. Did you not even check the build?

here it is, from the video.

[elfin roost]

Both a beast of nurgle and plague ogryn spawned and a bomber is what got us

[valid lake]

not need but want

[full kite]

wats the combo for axes