psyker-class

[tawdry shell]

which is better?

My gut is telling me the top one

dodging is kinda unreliable

[tawdry shell]

congratulations!

[full kite]

im leveling a psyker rn

it really doesn't pop off until you get all your feats huh

[patent ledge]

It's kinda like a late boomer

I like it tho

[half iron]

psyker is very cute very swag

[icy moat]

Problem I'm running into is that I need to have other people that are good at add clear

[patent ledge]

If you want to have better horde clear, prolly try purgatos or voidstrike

[full kite]

^ surge staff has been meh with teammates who don't kill things I stun 😔

[half iron]

become the other people. start psyking, psyker

[icy moat]

Because while I'm VERY good at add clear on Ogryn, not so much on psyker

[patent ledge]

True, i use surge when i keep getting games where peeps dont kill the range mobs

[half iron]

my beloved believes in you

[hot zephyr]

I've noticed this too. It's like every veteran forgot they're job is to murder every single gun wielding mob

[icy moat]

I've been having to it on my Ogryn too, either run the ripper or the twin stubbers just so I can at least clear the long range adds

[half iron]

they must shoot every random singular poxwalker instead, then lose all ammo. unwritten rule

[patent ledge]

Ive stayed loyal to the rumbler during my ogryn leveling stint

[icy moat]

Don't forget that they pick up every ammo box they see

[half iron]

my routine as a ranger is just
•look at ranged enemy
•ifeelanotherheadshotcomingup.wav
•bayonet at least one person (i love helbore)

[hot zephyr]

The current suspected bug where gunners don't surpress properly doesn't help either. They are content to go full Rambo and just stand there blasting away

[patent ledge]

We psykers have transcended beyond mortal possessions like the ammo box

We think fire out of thin air!

[half iron]

so true bestie

[icy moat]

I actually had to tell a guy to quit picking up ammo while his gun is full just so the Ogryn could get some ammo, son of a gun was totally out

[hot zephyr]

Yeah I've had a couple bad vets in runs lately. Such is the life of random groups

Nothing against the players themselves, it's just frustrating when they steal all the ammo and health and output basically no damage cus they can't aim

[icy moat]

I mean, that's why I use brain buster at long range

Bad aim? Just use fire and forget brain popper

[half iron]

i only aim well when my beloved tells me to, when he doesn’t, my entire clip disappears around the enemy

[patent ledge]

One of the worse offenders are those with health box but never use it despite the team barely living

[icy moat]

I fall in that category, cause I try to save one for the final encounter

[patent ledge]

Yeah but the extra ones

[icy moat]

But I will say it was weird when I saw a guy drop one right in front of a totally unused, fully charged Medicae

[patent ledge]

Either misinput or troll probably

[hot zephyr]

This is actually not a terrible idea if your low on health but no corruption. There's definitely some areas where you're tempted to use the medicae when you arrive but you kinda want to hold off if you're not in horrible shape because you're about to have a big fight

If it's a med station you're just passing by it's one thing, but there's several places where you hang out there for a while like the pump station or the comms plex

[mighty pike]

A true psyker has as much corruption as possible to be lore friendly

[cyan notch]

no its comms plex the new mission

[full kite]

how does one animation cancel for the staff?

[summer prairie]

For the left click? Spam R/quell or just once after shooting

[still bronze]

I seen some videos where people have a lightning staff then pull out a sword and burn people. Is this some specific sword or blessing where a sword can burn people when they push them?

[summer prairie]

Probably 6-2 feat

[subtle linden]

Mind bullets!!

[still bronze]

ah okay I’m only level 22 with my psyker so I haven’t gotten that far yet

[subtle linden]

https://tenor.com/view/mindblown-boom-overwhelmed-woah-dang-gif-4913615

[full kite]

so can't really spam stun?

[still bronze]

was curious how it was done

[summer prairie]

You can only QQ cancel the surge secondary, not really worth it

[full kite]

mm

[summer prairie]

or weapon swap cancel

[full kite]

so to use surge well should I be swinging cursor around tryna hit everything or does it stun better if I stay looking at things

[subtle linden]

Depends on target. If it’s green night vision goggle shooters or one shot shooters. Qq cancel surge to kill them asap. For stub lock let animation play out. Once one target gets hit it will chain automatically

[cyan notch]

dont swing it doesnt do anything once you fire it will already lock on to your targets swinging doesnt make it hit more

[random wolf]

It really depends. If I know a health station is coming up, especially the ones that always have 4 charges, I hold out

Getting downed once won't kill you lol

[warped perch]

Getting downed once kills my pride

[vestal rose]

never go down. if it looks like a wipe, use a barrel to throw yourself into the abyss and honourably avoid the downstate

[frigid marten]

also death clean corruption!

win win

[wise pumice]

Think i've finally found a build i'm happy with and some pretty good weapons. they aren't the best, but for brain popping as a back line sniper, this build works super well for me personally.
got a good roll on the Purgatus and i still like the force sword for good pushback, useful alt fire and ok CC in close range

and apparently i screwed someone's penance run by not being told it was a penance run when i dropped in on quick play... woops. apparently waited a whole 10 minutes and then i skipped back out cos i was just testing the build with actual enemies... woops again lol

[cyan notch]

what curios

[wise pumice]

sorry, one sec. again, they arent amazing, but i'm happy with how it feels to play and i'm not getting dropped as often

wish i could replace experience, on the seal, but of well

like i said, they aren't great by any means, but i can feel a difference and it matches more how i wanted to play

or thats what it feels like anyway

[vagrant cedar]

i doubt you'd feel 16 extra toughness and 30 more health or so

but sure

[hot zephyr]

The nerfed/patched the animation cancel on the Surge staff

[hot zephyr]

I have +20 health and +16/+4 toughness, I 100% feel the difference

There's so many times I look down at my health bar and have like 14 health left after a hairy situation

[vagrant cedar]

i mean sure

but

when you think about it

if you blocked better

or positioning was better

you'd have been left with 120hp

etc etc

[fluid knot]

Nah you do, going over 200HP on Psyker is such a nice buffer, more HP means you can push harder and save people from shittier situations, so what if you've lost 50HP, you still have the base number

[hot zephyr]

I'm not an unskilled player, and I still take damage. Bleed through exists even with the infinite block build

[fluid knot]

Yeah there is no way to avoid all incoming damage unless you're playing stupid passive in which case your team literally has to pick up the slack from you not pulling your weight effectively

[hot zephyr]

Could I improve? Certainly. You can't base gear choice off perfect play and ideals tho

[vagrant cedar]

you aint a tank as a psyker

[fluid knot]

No, youre DPS, but that doesnt mean you forgo HP bonus', thats some weak logic

[vagrant cedar]

you shouldn't be exposed to direct damage like 95% of the time

[fluid knot]

Wrong, there are always situations where you are goin to be exposed to direct damage, like i said, if you play so passive you're avoiding any hairy situations entirely, youre a detriment to the team

[hot zephyr]

Unless you're running Seditions as a full purple/orange lvl 30, I don't think your expectations of damage avoidance are reasonable

[vagrant cedar]

i like how weird your mentality on a support/horde clear class is

IF YOU DON"T TAKE DAMAGE AS PSYKER, YOU"RE SHIT TEAM PLAYER

when it's not your job to take dmg

it's to deal dmg

[frigid marten]

dead player deal zero damage

[fluid knot]

Thats very disingenuous and a massive oversimplification of the point.

[hot zephyr]

^^

[vagrant cedar]

that's what you said tho

if you don't take damage = passive play = shit team player

[cyan notch]

i mean sometimes u get hit by 2 melee hits while killing a high threat target and take some health damage

[frigid marten]

also with more health you can skip the medicae when don't needed.

[fluid knot]

thats not what i said. I said if you're phobic of any situation that might result in you taking HP damage, youre a fucking liability

[hot zephyr]

You can't avoid damage completely, you will inevitably take some. Whether it was avoidable or not doesn't matter. You will take damage at some point, and having more health or more toughness will mitigate that

[vagrant cedar]

sure

[hot zephyr]

Ideal curios for a Psyker? yeah there's some debate there beyond the standard +1 wound in the first slot. SOme players like health/health, some like tough/tough, some like health/tough

[full kite]

who says that tho

[vagrant cedar]

hmm?

[full kite]

wait I just saw it

nvm

yeah the fuck

[hot zephyr]

But generally, you need more health/toughness to survive on heresey/damnation because your front line will inevitably leak or you will get attacked from multiple directions at once

[cyan notch]

i do triple health after trying triple toughness

now im trying triple stamina

[fluid knot]

Wont run +1 wound myself, that means you already gone done fucked up, that extra HP tho.. Damn thats some shit

[frigid marten]

psyker don't have much damage reduction

so health tend to be better.

because many enemies have extra damage on toughness

[fluid knot]

Bigger health pool than toughness pool also so those percentile increases mean more, also, they're just flat out bigger 21%HP vs 17% toughness base

[hot zephyr]

That's true, but since toughness regens and health doesn't, I personally prefer to balance it out

You are welcome to do what works for you, I'm not going to claim any one build is the best

[blissful kestrel]

I prefer wound/tough/tough, but I think at this point the meta hasn't settled and it is entirely personal preference.

[fluid knot]

yeah thats equally viable, i do that on Ogryn, like 300 HP is enough there, the toughness needs the work

[lucid terrace]

All health

Become tank

Destroy your enemies

[hot zephyr]

I personally go wound/health/tough, because I am still learning to survive better on heresy/damn and that extra wound helps for now

Whether I keep it forever, who knows

[fluid knot]

Ye you'll eventually take that off i can almost gurantee it

[dusky lantern]

Dayum look at this baby

[full kite]

personally I prefer stack toughness because ranged are the real threats, and melee you rarely actually get hit if you're good with dodging and pushing

[vagrant cedar]

dayum

all 4

[fluid knot]

Its nice having an extra mistake on the cards that inst gonna be catastrophic, but in time that extra HP or toughness will end up being more valuable

[full kite]

wounds just feels like a trap compared to trying not to die in the first place

[lucid terrace]

"20% damage resistance (gunners)"
Amazing

[hot zephyr]

It's so beautiful I might weep a little

[lucid terrace]

Okay but also barter it.

For fun

[clear heath]

wtf all t4 perks

[cyan notch]

gunner resist is mid imo they dont break toughnesss

[clear heath]

insane

[frigid marten]

this is the thing with toughness, health is better https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2892198053****

[fluid knot]

Great for new players or those scaling up their difficulty setting initially, but once youre used to things, its a bit of a dead slot perk because you shouldnt really be going down, obviously it'll still happen on occasions, but yeah

[frigid marten]

unless like veteran you have something like 75% toughness resistance

[full kite]

vet toughness resist is only against ranged units

but yeah slide spamming helps not get hit

[vagrant cedar]

they do if there's 1-2 of them spawn and you're in the middle of no cover and they supress you and you can't move

happened few times

[fluid knot]

Scab resist' on curios when FS

I will die on this hill, a group of lasgun scabs is scarier than Demonhost

[full kite]

I know there's the datamine, but slide makes it so things stop hitting/shooting you during the slide animation

[fluid knot]

Yeah throws off their targeting

[cyan notch]

not really tbh never happened to me at all and u can easily avoid them/break los so since they never do any damage i rather get other resists

[frigid marten]

stalker are extremely out of place with the others enemies.

[full kite]

I learned to slide into ranged units like a maniac but realized I can't really do this on psyker cause they squishier and the toughness regen is kinda slow

[vagrant cedar]

you can avoid them pretty much always, so getting gunners is kinda useless, unless they gonna make shooters count as gunners two, but sometimes the RNGTide spawns them in such random positions where you get fucked without ability to do anything

[full kite]

but also im low level so idk

[hot zephyr]

This is my current setup, run this with surge, purge, or gun atm.

[vagrant cedar]

jesus

wtf

[fluid knot]

Yeah you can, you just gotta time it right an get the distance right

[vagrant cedar]

combine the talents only

in 1 pic

jesus

[frigid marten]

it's more about maps and what cover you have.

[hot zephyr]

Aight, will do next time

[cyan notch]

yes but i dont find myself in those situations at all and even so theyre so rare its not worth specccing for it

[lucid terrace]

I don't know honestly, because even if I am the best psyker (Agoopnor) I'll probably still mess up and that simple bit of extra health is GONE until I get medicae. Having an extra wound allows me to do more risky shit without the risk of having a saturated ass screen after going down once.

[vagrant cedar]

exactly, most defences are worthless

[fluid knot]

My man you're level one

[frigid marten]

but curio are all about defence

[cyan notch]

i go for mutant and sniper ideally

[lucid terrace]

I swear it's photoshop.

[fluid knot]

Cooldown/ReviveSpeed/Toughness regen 🙏

[cyan notch]

full ground pound on damnation does like 2 health damage

[fluid knot]

Gunner resist on Ogryn tho because need to push hard

[full kite]

idk personally I've found that if one person goes down during a horde in damnation, it's really hard to revive them and they usually end up dying

but that's cause it's usually a sniper that downs someone in a horde

[fluid knot]

Yeah you're not gonna be saving someone easily in that tier

[full kite]

so wounds is like whatever

[lucid terrace]

Sacrifices are necessary...

[fluid knot]

More viable for Psyker or Ogryn to save people, cos infinte block an massive tank, but its still not ideal

[vagrant cedar]

tag -> bb charge -> dodge dodge dodge -> sniper down, go res

[hot zephyr]

Yeah, I see that alot, with no audio cue and the laser sometimes not being easily noticeable, you just get railed by a sniper sometimes

[cyan notch]

thats why i want 60% sniper and mutant resist

[fluid knot]

Yeah.. if you're playing Max-height psyker, else good luck picking him out amongst the horde

[clear heath]

mutant resist doesn't sound that useful

[vagrant cedar]

lmfaooo

jump on a chair

[clear heath]

mutants don't even do damage most of the time

[fluid knot]

People who pick the shortest height characters annoy me. Like man you cant see whats in that horde, you're just swinging and praying nothing nasty runs up on you

[lucid terrace]

Ride on an Ogryn's back, then you can brain burst anyone.

[pure rapids]

the Resolver Harness does not cover the hair for those who are interested

[lucid terrace]

MANLETS ARE FUNNY

[vagrant cedar]

yes but they can hide behind the cover better

[fluid knot]

Replenish toughness when stuff is in melee range, not by hiding behind stuff

[hot zephyr]

Mutants really only deal damage if you get hugged and your team doesn't immediately knock them down. If you are in randoms they are much harder to avoid, especially in narrow spaces like hallways

[cyan notch]

mutants and snipers are the only things that do damage to my health so those are what i go for especially when they throw 3 mutants at you

[clear heath]

mutants won't hurt you if there's a wall preventing them from slamming you down

[full kite]

I picked the shortest height on my vet for the luls and it made me laugh when I got in-game and realized I now have to aim slightly higher to hit heads

[fluid knot]

Question.. As dogs are infested, and deal corruption damage to your HP directly when on someone.. Does this make corruption resist better for dogs than the actual dog resist? (Just curious, im unlikely to even choose either in a curio)

[cyan notch]

well yes but sometimes they grab you anyway through a horde or whatever

the other resist stuff doesnt really hit for anything

what are you gonna put there dog resist

[fluid knot]

All well and good till one of them motherfuckers U-turns round some terrain an grabs you anyway

[clear heath]

I mean it happens, but it doesn't seem like that big of a problem imo
They also don't really hurt much if you have toughness up

So it's like, only if you get stuck in a horde away from walls with your toughness low when a mutant spawns

[hot zephyr]

I ran some corruption resist for a while, and I found the only time it really helped was when you got a BoN in tight spaces and you would have to walk through it's slip-n-slide trail somewhat

[cyan notch]

they kinda do hurt more than i want with full toughness

[fluid knot]

Nah they dont hurt much, but they're a nuisance and they break their own rules which is a little annoying. At least with dogs we know the hitbox is kinda fucky, but muties literally disobey physics a fair amount of the time which gets wearing in sketchy situations. Like the enemy itself isnt particularly dangerous, its the lack of consistency that makes them a problem

[cyan notch]

like 20 damage or something i dont like that

rather take 2 damage if i happened to be caught since they throw so many at you

[clear heath]

I mean mutants are annoying
I just don't think the damage is that much of a common threat to really prioritize mutant resist

[hot zephyr]

Oh no, it's def not a priority thing to pickup

[clear heath]

I hate mutants because of the times they clipped me through a wall and made me fall out of the map

[hot zephyr]

But it's much better than trash tier stuff like extra xp or extra credits

[cyan notch]

you dont need to but for me i dont like taking unnecessary chip damage so sniper and mutant are my priorities

[summer prairie]

extra credits not even bad

[frigid marten]

if they put the extra plasteel that will be the meta.

[cyan notch]

or even better auto pickup mats

[frigid marten]

i think hadron is plasteel addicted.

[fluid knot]

Just a little bit

[sharp ibex]

Hoy wizard wierdos, someone tldr me the force sword macro cheese

[light quail]

fuck yea
gas mask

[cyan notch]

light qq

[hot zephyr]

light > heavy > block > push

[idle bay]

Gas mask i want
Compared to it DKOK gasmask sucks Nurgle balls

Thats WH40K bling to the max 🙂

[steel egret]

I think thats a bit flamboyant for rejects running in sewers.

but some pants and shirts in-game give indication that its not limited by such.

[light quail]

i care not for bling
gasmasks are just cool

[steel egret]

Thats true

[supple skiff]

are we not considered offical members of the warband at level 30?

[hot zephyr]

Finally got a dankarino Mk1 Autogun, it's only like 325 base stats, but came with +20% Maniacs and DumDum

[potent echo]

lmao just finished a 4 flamer damnation game, 2 purgatus 2 flamer zealots

actually not terrible

[sharp ibex]

ta

[jovial frigate]

ye as long as you guys can rotate out and are covering zealots sounds pretty safe

This things been pretty fun not gonna lie

[hot zephyr]

That's a lotta cleave

[fluid knot]

Everyone loves a good cleavage

[supple skiff]

only thing missing from fs

well, good cleave anyways

[orchid nest]

imagine if the force 2h special is similar in function to the power sword instead

[hot zephyr]

if FS's combos were Vanguard > Assassin > Assassin on light and Strikedown > Wide on heavy, it would be so much better for cleaving hordes

Cus then you could light > heavy for multi* targets, and heavy > light > light for single targets

[orchid nest]

yeah the current second upwards swing light is.. really weird for a finesse weapon. besides changing that, they could've had at least 2 variants as well with one having more cleave

[cyan notch]

absolutely garbage

assassin my ass

[supple skiff]

that second swing is really only good as a way to hit maulers in the chest with an alt attack

[icy moat]

short characters can take cover behind anything

[supple skiff]

which, I recently learned, is where you want to hit them with that.

[orchid nest]

yeah. well, anywhere except the head

[supple skiff]

thought the alt fire ignored armor

guess it just ignores some of it

[orchid nest]

it deals more damage to flak than carapace

[hot zephyr]

It does have increased pen, but not total ignore

[supple skiff]

side note: things having more armor on their heads vs elsewhere really irks me lol

some bind jump to Y button level shit

[fluid knot]

they also cant see anything above the enemies so their ability to deal with ranged units and pick specials out in a crowd takes a massive dent for marginally more effective cover, literally a bad choice to be short in a game that basically entirely revolves around your ability to prioritise threats effectively

[orchid nest]

they are the same in v2

[hot zephyr]

From a player perspective, it's annoying for sure. From a game-design perspective, it's brilliant.

[supple skiff]

yeah , its good design.

I hate it, but its good

[hot zephyr]

I would personally love (slash hate) to see a Rager with the Mauler Helm

[orchid nest]

yeah things like reapers have 3 diff armor types too

[hot zephyr]

The flak armoured rager groups of 2-3-4 mobs are scary, but I'd love to see like a variant-elite version with the upgraded helm

Call it a Berserker or something, when you get spawns of groups of dreg ragers you get a chance to get a berserker in the group as a super-elite

[warped perch]

It would be nice if we could stop getting so many guns in the shop

[orchid nest]

yeah I like the varied armor, more would be cool. adds a layer of knowledge knowing your damage layouts and where to aim. like the reaper example, if you have large flak damage you may want to hit them in the chest

[fluid knot]

It would be nicer yet if we had a drop down for each weapon and then a bunch of each specific type under each header

[warped perch]

Yep

[hot zephyr]

-looks at collection of 7 different guns I use on my psyker for various missions/roles-

Sorry, that's my bad I guess lol

[warped perch]

Burn the heretic

[hot zephyr]

They tried to Black Ship me. I'm still here. 😛

[lucid horizon]

sigma psyker

[steel egret]

I think black one fits better that one.

but sure.

[orchid nest]

what do you guys think about everyone having a secondary pistol slot so we can carry a laspistol or revolver or whatever with a staff

[steel egret]

I mean it would make sense

but for balancing they would need to split start ammo to both weapons.

if they were rifle and pistol..

also what would you give to ogryn as a "side-arm"?

[orchid nest]

yeah some ammo economy stuff would need to change somehow I guess

[steel egret]

I mean if you chose not to take one with you, you would get full ammo.

or if you had staff.. you would get all on laspistol.

[hot zephyr]

I dislike it, if you've got a staff you are purposely accepting having no gun as the trade off to blast away with warp energy

[orchid nest]

do you mean from a balance perspective or lore one. because it's pretty common for them to have a staff and pistol

[west galleon]

Staffs suck swamp ass

[steel egret]

Sanctioned psykers do carry lasgun.

[hot zephyr]

It's common for a inquisitor or librarian or whatever to have that setup. We're Acolytes, we don't get luxuries like that.

[steel egret]

The.. uiuuh.. whats the name again

one with G

[west galleon]

I'd rather carry my scout lasgun and be done with a horde faster

[hot zephyr]

From a balance perspective it's also problematic, but that's a secondary problem

[west galleon]

I really tried to give them a chance, but they are so tedious to use if its not the one variant thats actually useful

[steel egret]

I think it would just result in huge nerf to ammo max you can have on lasgun

laspistol I mean

So it would end up being more of novelty thing.

[orchid nest]

I think it would be alright but that's just me I guess. Don't a good amount of the outfits already have a holster too? but either way, having a reduce ammo side arm or something wouldn't be game breaking I don't think

[steel egret]

Theres the pistol.

[orchid nest]

the actual biggest balance concern I can think of is it would let you passive quell fast with both other force weapons but who knows what they will do with that anyways with their bug acknowledgement

[west galleon]

Its a used outfit and you didnt qualify for a laspistol to go with it

Boom shop apologism

[frigid marten]

melee+pistol combo is more likely.

[steel egret]

Good point, majority of cosmetics have description that implies they are used or stolen or soiled.

[west galleon]

Always go with the lore answer "you didnt deserve this, be happy you get shoes"

[orchid nest]

yeah I was hoping for some rapier+pistol victor equivalent before the game came out

[frigid marten]

grenade gauntlet work already like a melee/ranged weapon.

[steel egret]

Yeah would be incredibly complex to have staff & pistol.

they have never done sword and pistol or any other

in any other game.

Then again with a staff and pistol you would be quite limited on what you can do.

[orchid nest]

they have had rapier and pistol in both v1 and v2

[steel egret]

well unless.. holding button would dish out lightning instead of build up lightning launched after build up

Yeah

I was joking about that.

[frigid marten]

Unless is a defensive staff

[orchid nest]

oh my bad

[steel egret]

np

I'm just saying they could have done it

[orchid nest]

staff and pistol could work the same way I guess yeah, since the staff swing is so useless anyways

[steel egret]

Yeah that thing is

baffling.

[orchid nest]

they could have at least copy pasted the laspistol force push thing for it so it was a useable quick cc

[steel egret]

Definitely

because staff special does literally nothing

[summer prairie]

Emperor...

[hot zephyr]

Uh. Look at the amount of stagger those attacks do.

That's like a LOT of stagger

[steel egret]

Oh yeah

and why the fuck is unyielding 45.

[orchid nest]

because it's a staff and they shall not pass

[supple skiff]

in his name, be bonked

[steel egret]

tasty

[summer prairie]

is it though

[steel egret]

Compared to mine.

[hot zephyr]

Uh.... 383 base? wtf mate?

[summer prairie]

but mine is trauma

[steel egret]

Oh

[summer prairie]

it only adds up to ~378, just a bug

[steel egret]

a trauma.

[hot zephyr]

Trauma staff is a niche weapon. It's niche is giving your team PTSD from carrying you

[lucid mortar]

That's...a weird bug

[summer prairie]

I mean I suppose it's possible some of the 80 values are actually higher than 80

[lucid mortar]

yeah that's what I was thinking

[orchid nest]

trauma is pretty close to being good with a couple of easy changes, hopefully they do it soon

[steel egret]

Mine went from 380 to 385 after I upgraded it.

[idle bay]

I'm not as cool as guy that leveled up 5 Orgyns to 30, but i'm finnaly finished "Like a four-leaf Clover' now i can calmly grind on Psyker 🙂

[mighty vault]

Incredibly complex. Press 3 for pistol.

[steel egret]

Yes

[mighty vault]

Would you say it's...immeasurably so?

[steel egret]

We dont have the technology yet

[orchid nest]

[steel egret]

Or "Game works fine on our end"

[hot zephyr]

This is the year 40,000 where we have to retrieve "holy scriptures" that are really instruction manuals that tell us how to use a doorknob.

[steel egret]

Thats why most doors are sliding open.

[mighty vault]

The doorknob STC has been lost for millennia

[steel egret]

Heretical door handles

[orchid nest]

man closing doors on monsters is the best

[steel egret]

Serve emperor to become a door opening button as a servoskull.

[hot zephyr]

The Beast of Nurgle: "Who built this door? Space dwarfs?"

[orchid nest]

just slice him right in half

[mighty vault]

"Guess I'll take the stairs" <monster closets up 50 ft in an instant>

[steel egret]

"Hey guys I'm doing a brain burst penance for psyker can you guys help?" "ok" closes the door

[orchid nest]

haha

[mighty vault]

Yeah, definitely <votekick>

[orchid nest]

there was some reddit thread I saw earlier on beasts with info I didn't know

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/zzint8/psa_the_beast_of_nurgle_can_only_eat_you_if_you/

[tropic lagoon]

Thoughts on kinetic deflection?

[steel egret]

its nice.

but kinetic shield is fine too.

[tropic lagoon]

I want to pair it with deflector force sword for a get out of jail free card

[orchid nest]

one of the strong points of psyker in general

[steel egret]

You can also pick up people in middle of horde.

[tropic lagoon]

True. Want to run 2 Toughness curios and a Wounds curio as well. Then try to get toughness regen, block efficiency, and (grimoire or corruption) resist depending on if the mission has grims or not

Does toughness regen only affect the regen from coherency or does it amplify all toughness regen?

[summer prairie]

it's toughness regen delay reduction

[steel egret]

its the timer that comes for cohercence

3 second? or how much was it again

[summer prairie]

it's useless at least for psykers and most characters

[orchid nest]

yeah what they both said. hoping it gets changed to boost the static coherency amount instead

[steel egret]

Someone here said

might have been you syllogism that it gives more than said amount of time reduced

or someone timed it when having multiple regen speed curios

[tropic lagoon]

There aren't many great alternatives anyways. Seems like toughness damage reduction trait doesn't actually exist

[summer prairie]

Not me, but it says 0.8x multiplier, not sure how they stack, so it might be 3 x 0.8 x 0.8 x 0.8

[steel egret]

yeah

[orchid nest]

it doesn't. sniper damage resist isn't bad. health and toughness ones are ok

there is definitely a lot of filler perks

[steel egret]

Sniper or bomber, health, thats about it.

[tropic lagoon]

I would honestly love a generic "shooter" damage resist

literally just for the dreg / scab shooters and nothing else

[steel egret]

wouldnt we all.

[summer prairie]

I think only block cost, stamina regen, gunner resistance, money, health and toughness are worth considering. Maybe sprinting efficiency but pretty marginal

[steel egret]

kinetic shield is all we get.

[orchid nest]

I agree with all these except I don't ever really take much damage from gunner elites so I like sniper instead

[tropic lagoon]

what's the consensus on level 5 feat? I'm really back and forth between toughness on warp charge vs toughness on quell

toughness on warp charge was bonkers in the closed beta with 50% toughness

[steel egret]

I dont feel like I need stamina or get hurt that much by gunners, dogs, mutants.

[orchid nest]

snipers like.. yeah you should dodge a lot of them but when it does hit you it can really matter.

[steel egret]

nor do I need xp or ordo.

[blissful kestrel]

Depends on what secondary weapon you are running. I usually do warp charge for purgatus and quell for surge.

[summer prairie]

Ordo may have uses later, for instance they seem to be letting us reroll the shop

[steel egret]

I mean

by that logic xp might have uses later

[summer prairie]

I don't think it's giving us xp right now when we are at 30

[steel egret]

but I'm not exactly happy to see them on my curios now.

Right but later it might turn into ordo or

something else.

[orchid nest]

it's kind of weird they didn't at least have the level + prestige thing from v2 in at launch considering how easy it would be for them to do

[steel egret]

I mean that can be said about most of the game.

[orchid nest]

yeah true lmao

[steel egret]

"It would have been easy for them to recycle mechanics known to work from vermintide 2"

Instead they are doing something else.. why?

[tropic lagoon]

Bruh, I just want the ability to move blessings. I now have an actualy god tier purgatus but no good blessings

Purgatus with 365 base stats

[steel egret]

well thats

not 380 but I gues it doesnt matter if they are in right places.

[tropic lagoon]

yeah, could be better, but it's close enough that i'll take it

it sacrifices burn which is okay imo

the DoT damage only feels super relevant on maulers to me

most everything else just dies to the channel

[fringe lodge]

so what stats are you looking for on purgatus, +75% on radius and burn?

[tropic lagoon]

I prioritize everything but burn

[jovial frigate]

radius burn warp resist probably

[orchid nest]

burn is really good on it

[tropic lagoon]

I feel like Burn only really works if you're stacking it on tanky enemies

which at that point I put it away and brain burst

[steel egret]

I personally would like maxed cloud.

[jovial frigate]

burn + crit is pretty easy to put like 10 stacks on a tanky mob in a channel

[orchid nest]

the burn being higher gives you a higher chance to get warp charges and with crit really matters for taking out mixed elites in the horde

[tropic lagoon]

I don't use that level 30

[jovial frigate]

purg without ab

[tropic lagoon]

Yup. Would rather use psykinetic's barrage to snipe targets

since purg sacrifices range

[jovial frigate]

why not just use a voidstrike with barrage then

[orchid nest]

even without ab I would still prioritize cloud and burn tbh. get warp nexus on and roll crit on perk and you're good

[tropic lagoon]

bc purg + barrage is a better base coverage

a cloud radius purg will destroy hordes at close range way better than voidstrike

[jovial frigate]

i would say theyre about the same except suppression on purg is better

natural suppression not the blessing

[crimson cave]

goddamnit Hadron

[tropic lagoon]

i'm a warp flurry + suppression guy

[steel egret]

yeah thats good modifiers

that damage doesnt matter at all.

[jovial frigate]

would preffer flurry over barrrage

[steel egret]

but its the 7m one.

[jovial frigate]

yeah but purg already does crazy suppression on its own

[orchid nest]

yeah nexus/flurry and I would rather have nexus first. if you aren't stacking crit and burn bar you're missing out on the elite and monstrosity killing

[jovial frigate]

w/ 80 cloud radius im suppressing a majority of stuff thats a threat to me anyway

[steel egret]

I know, I've just been using surge for ages and miss the said effect.

[jovial frigate]

ah ye

[steel egret]

My psyker says fear me.

but they dont.

[jovial frigate]

i should really make this orange but I havent played zapper in a while

[tropic lagoon]

I mean, surge is great for stunning elites

[orchid nest]

there is so much overlap recently for purge/flamers that I like quickplaying with surge. although I usually use purg in my friends group

[steel egret]

Usually when I join mission other psykers are purga staff or void or dont use staff and slowly cast bb and stand around.

so I feel like I have to bring surge.

[orchid nest]

It's funny you say that, the very last mission I was in the guy had a void and I think I saw him shoot it twice the entire mission. Not even exaggerating

[steel egret]

yeah

[tropic lagoon]

So is burn how fast burn is applied or the damage of each stack?

[hot zephyr]

It affects max stacks mostly

[orchid nest]

how fast it is applied and the max stacks I believe

[summer prairie]

barely any difference in tick rate

[steel egret]

its like 0.30? or something isnt it?

[hot zephyr]

the difference between like 65% burn and 80% burn is barely any difference in application

[orchid nest]

yeah the tick rate difference is small for sure range wise

[hot zephyr]

It's like .33 vs .34

But the max stacks makes a huge difference

[tropic lagoon]

is the damage between 65% and 80% big then?

[summer prairie]

only for a few enemies

[tropic lagoon]

as far as damage

[hot zephyr]

Cus it can be like 12 max vs 15 max

Which is an exponential diff

[tropic lagoon]

so it's either ignore burn or full send it

[orchid nest]

you have to remember how strong a single extra stack is at higher stacks so something like burning a monstrosity with a few extra stacks is huge

but yeah its not the end of the world if you have 65% or something it is very nice though having it high

[tropic lagoon]

also someone mentioned a crit on burn effect for purgatus?

I don't see it as an option

[orchid nest]

purg crits apply 2 stacks

[hot zephyr]

Crits apply double stacks

[tropic lagoon]

ah, did not know that

interesting. The hunt continues

Have y'all had any luck with random stuff for sire melk or just wait for curated stuff?

[orchid nest]

not yet, I still have every coin like 15kish or something

[hot zephyr]

I've found a few items from melk that were decent, most of my stuff is from the regular shop tho. It was like a decent curio and a gun that had two perfect tier 4 perks and decent base

[jovial frigate]

ive gotten a handful of 370s and 2 380s on 2 chars from random melks so far

its just your preference of gamba

[hot zephyr]

Honestly, most items that are 350+ are fine as long as the distribution on the stats is good. The difference of a 380 vs a 350 is usually very small.

[ornate hamlet]

Melkshop™️ is cursed

[warped perch]

Melk is a heretic

[ornate hamlet]

Always autoguns when Ive bothered to check on my psyker

[hot zephyr]

Dunno why that's bad. MkI, MkV and MkVIII are all excellent weapons. Only reason not to have a gun-build is you want to limit your possible playstyles

[supple skiff]

melk gave me my force sword with deflector and slaughterer and my void with quell and flurry. He has his moments

actually no

[ornate hamlet]

Thats the entire thing, I just prefer staves on my Psyker. For gunplay Ive got vet

[supple skiff]

I upgraded both of those, I was blessed by the omnissaiah

[fluid knot]

Vet is gunplay, but on easy mode tbh

[hot zephyr]

No judgement, all good, but definitely don't overlook gun psyker, it's a very different style than vet gun play.

[ornate hamlet]

Oh yeah no Ive definitely seen gun psykers do nasty work

[full kite]

soo does surge have more cc than purg

[hot zephyr]

When I see a BoN on my gun psyker, I smile ear to ear. Get behind it and weakspot mag dump = Time To Die penance ez mode

[feral crater]

15s cooldown on the only perk that works with guns kinda sucks

Sure guns are fun and good for leveling, but taking it into damnation is a bit... Iffy

[hot zephyr]

See that's the thing tho. KF is used just to keep you warp charge stacks up while you auto-quell.

[feral crater]

I feel uncomfortable making a build where half my perks feel irrelevant.

[hot zephyr]

The gun's job is to murder specials so you can proc the CD reduction for you and your team, then go back into BB mode with KB and Wrath

Cus the Aura is one of our few elite kill talents that doesn't require a BB kill

[hot zephyr]

They kinda aren't tho. It's just about realizing Gun Psyker isn't a Veteran. You aren't maining your gun and shooting everything. The gun is just a tool that gives you even more options to help support the team in every situation. Think about the mag-dump as a sustained-damage BB that can do upwards of 4000 damage without weakspotting, in some cases like the Mk1 and MkV autoguns, you can exceed 2500 dps.

BB/KB is for cracking every bulwark and crusher, and you can get KB off cooldown faster by nuking specials with your gun

[ornate hamlet]

psykers talking about using firearms now because staves so trash

[hot zephyr]

You kill every CC mob and let your vet focus on pushing forward, while you watch his back so he never needs to switch to melee. When dogs/mutants/trappers/bursters spawn you have the perfect tool to just insta-wreck thme

[ornate hamlet]

funny, i remember pointing out how effective firearms can be compared to BB and staves back in closed beta

and that was before we got hit with hard nerf

[hot zephyr]

No, I'm the minority trying to preach for folks to try gun psyker

[ornate hamlet]

i was an advocate of gun psyker before release just sayin

at least, in lower difficulties

in higher i prefer surge

[hot zephyr]

It's all preference, you can have success in damnation with almost any psyker build if you understand your toolbox

If you like surge/purge/void/gun/w.e, play it

[ornate hamlet]

the higher the difficulty, the less viable many builds become

but yes

[hot zephyr]

I play purge staff and I play gun equally as much, and I have success with either, but understanding your team-role difference is highly important

[fluid knot]

Gunpsyker is hella good, way better than what people credit it for

[feral crater]

If you like trauma you will just be traumatized tho...

[fluid knot]

Become the special deletion machine at any possible range 🙏

[hot zephyr]

Yeah... the Trauma staff is only good for giving your team PTSD from carrying you

[ornate hamlet]

it's too bad psyker can't just use a staff and a gun instead of a melee wep

[hot zephyr]

I cannot make Trauma work

[hushed glade]

So no different than carrying a gunpsyker lol

[fluid knot]

I was actually somewhat annoyed by that way back int beta when i found out they replaced the gun an not the melee

[hot zephyr]

you've seen bad gun psykers then

[near wyvern]

As long as you have something to deal with hordes (zealot flamer) gun psyker works.

You just don't really have any other options than infantry lasguns on higher diffs due to the ammo economy.

[ornate hamlet]

trauma is powerful but causes boatloads of peril, the issue is peril management - which makes it the least favorite of all staves

[hushed glade]

Yeah all of them

[fluid knot]

Yeah not gonna lie, i feel like im carrying when i play gunpsyker, not that im being carried

[hot zephyr]

^^

[fluid knot]

Like the Special kills notification is like 80% mine

[hushed glade]

Lol

[hot zephyr]

If your a good gun psyker, you just shred specials so hard it makes your veteran cry cus he can't proc his ammo refund enough

[fluid knot]

Legit

[near wyvern]

What feats you running? I usually run 132133

[fluid knot]

Not only that, unlike Vet, you can actually move around and stay firing because you mobility is so much better

[feral crater]

If you are good, teamwork is in your blood and he wouldn't need to cry you greedy mf xD

[wet raven]

Guns do triple the DPS of staves don't know why people hate the so much XP "no use your mediocre space magic)

[ornate hamlet]

psyker using gun has the same problem as vet

[fluid knot]

Gimmie a sec

[fluid knot]

Thats only a problem if you dont reposition frequently

[wet raven]

He made the mistake of using his special "summon ogryn"

[near wyvern]

BB goes through. You just keep pop ult to keep calm and carry on whenever that happens.

[hot zephyr]

I run 122133, but the level 5 perk is really up to what you like

[fluid knot]

This at the minute, though usually i would have first one in first slot, though i been messing about with BB a bit more of late hence this weird looking shit

[near wyvern]

Yeah the second column is dog shit for gunpsyker and doesn't really matter.

Just so you know, Inner Tranquility only sees benefit for BB when you have 5 stacks or more, so don't run it unless you also have Warp Battery.

This also includes during ulting.

[ornate hamlet]

so does staff btw (all of them)

[fluid knot]

Ahhh interesting, nice one, i was not aware, couldnt really notice the implication of the skill anyway so no loss

[hot zephyr]

Interesting. I had considered going 112133 but thought the warp resist was better than extra damage on my Deflector FS

[fluid knot]

Guess its back to soulblaze for meagre DPS cos i rarely use forcesword

[near wyvern]

Yeah I tested it today.

With 5 and 6 stacks you can cast BB at 98 instead of 97 (minor benefit).

The larger benefit is that at 5 and 6 stacks you can do 6 BB during Kinetic Barrage, gives you 1 more BB to proc Psykinetic's Aura and get some ult back.

Although you have to back to back the BBs to get the benefit.

[fringe garden]

So what would make someone want to play gun psyker instead of just going veteran? What sets it apart from vet? Just BB?

[hot zephyr]

It's a completely different playstyle

[fringe garden]

That's not really an answer

[fluid knot]

Yeah ok that makes sense there, thats not such a buff its worth picking really unless going all in on a BB build, which i gotta say, doesnt seem impossible

[hot zephyr]

Yeah, i know, but the long-version is a wall o text so bear with us

[near wyvern]

BB is immune to supression and you only need LOS to lock on.

You can deal with gunners and snipers even while supressed.

You can also bring a Lasgun to deal with regular ranged mobs and still be a can opener for Bulwarks and Crushers, where as vets have to pick a bolter to do that.

[fluid knot]

It is though, you have more utility than the Vet, you can reach out further than Vet, you can shit out DPS to much the same level (aside from borken shit like Bolter), you're more mobile and have equally useful melee choices, though they're not as straight up OP as Psword is, the Fsword particularly has buckets more utility

[fast swan]

what are dump stats for force sword?

[fierce sinew]

It is an answer, they do it because it's different. You have this kind of " offmeta enthusiast" player in virtually every kind of game

[near wyvern]

The peril damage bonus (force sword) and the miniscule soulblaze damage is honestly just better options even for a pure BB build.

But the second column is all quite small bonuses for a gun psyker.

[fluid knot]

If you look purely at damage numbers, arguably gunpsyker is meta

[fierce sinew]

you get people who confuse parses with meta in lots of games too

[fluid knot]

Yeah its been the one ive swapped about the most and the one ive been most dissapointed with, shame the soulblaze procs dont do more damage and they fixed it to actually proc on flayer, because currently it does not

[fierce sinew]

some things transcend genre boundaries

[hot zephyr]

So in my style, its' an anti-CC anti-specialist build. You have tools to deal with Mutants, Hounds, Bombers, Snipers, and more while still retaining your ability to crack Crushers and Bulwarks for your team. You focus on keeping the rest of your team pushing forwards, guarding the flanks and rear, and you have absolutely unreal burst damage via mag-dump + KF.

[near wyvern]

Oh and @fringe garden

A psyker has also the best and safest revive in the game with force sword and kinetic deflection (which you can afford to pick for a gun psyker if you want)

[fluid knot]

Ult > revive > 100% success rate

[near wyvern]

TBH the soulblaze on second column should apply on any BB hit, it should not need to kill

[fluid knot]

That would be nice jfc

[hot zephyr]

So imo it's a pure-support build that allows your team to focus on their jobs more, and it makes the run much smoother. You have one (or more) tools for basically any situation, and you can do unreal damage bursts to help down monstrosities or deal with special-packs.

[fluid knot]

Hot take no.1857; All classes are support classes

[zinc phoenix]

They have a pain in their brain

[near wyvern]

But only psyker is a sport class

Cause you gotta sweat to be good

[supple skiff]

the hoops you gotta jump through to clutch comparatively speaking....

our staying power is impressive though

[smoky orbit]

Two questions: 1st - What is 'power' (slaughterer blessing)? 2nd - Which perk should I be looking for/reroll?

[near wyvern]

1. Power increases your weapon damage, stagger and cleave if I recall correctly

2. Check breakpoints

[supple skiff]

power is a global damage buff

[fluid knot]

Slaughterer is a good buff tho

[smoky orbit]

Ty

[supple skiff]

if you can get a BB off while you have slaughterer stacks, it will do more damage accordingly

[long wharf]

slaughterer is the best blessing for the fsword for killing things

[supple skiff]

you also don't have to do the killing with the weapon to get the buff, as long as the weapon is out while an enemy dies by an effect of yours you get the buff

accordingly you can pull a lot of shennanigans

you can reach some new BB breakpoints will tier 3 slaughterer and max stacks

[long wharf]

strange that boosting power would affect BB

[fringe garden]

power is a cleave, impact, and damage buff

It's fantastic

[long wharf]

sure, but BB should be a warp effect (somehow it's not)

[fringe garden]

Yeah, that's what we need another modifier to dilute the RNG pool lol

[supple skiff]

yeah, I don't know why. But its nice to have

I like to charge up void shots and swap back to my sword as its flying to get the stacks.

rinse repeat

[near wyvern]

It is for warp absorption but not for cerebral laceration

[long wharf]

yeah, inconsistency should be Darktide's tagline

Darktide : Hot Mess

[fringe garden]

I just wish these asshats would release crafting. The game is so painful without it

[fast swan]

dump stat force sword?

[long wharf]

sure is

[fringe garden]

I really look forward to a year from now when the game is relatively stable and feature complete, honestly

It's gonna be fantastic. I know it will.

[ebon jolt]

Mobility or warp resist. Depending on how much you use special vs dodge.

Warp resist is probably slightly better.

[near wyvern]

Warp resistance

You can always pop special at 99 so warp resistance is not really that important.

If you gotta go back to staff it means danger is over so you have time again

[fast swan]

ty

[supple skiff]

a year, my are we optimistic

[long wharf]

danger is definitely not over if you have to switch away from your fsword

fsword isn't for hordes

[near wyvern]

It is decent for hordes. A lot better than surge or devil's claw

In higher diffs you are not going to rely on the special anyways because the animation lock will get you killed

[summer prairie]

devil's claw is much better for hordes

[hot zephyr]

The only redeeming quality vs horde the FS has is the push.

If it didn't have that OP push, it would be horrible

light > heavy > block > push > repeat

[near wyvern]

Yes the infite cleave on push makes it super safe against hordes

Sure, devil's claw can get more kills per second on a narrow doorway but when the doorway is not narrow you are in trouble

With FS all you need is to have your back against a wall and you are good

[summer prairie]

spamming push keeps you safe regardless of your weapon as psyker and dodge dancing+stagger from your weapon is safe as well in most cases

[left briar]

how bout the psker knife?

think im spoiled by the knife mobility

[hot zephyr]

The knife mobility / speed boost is certainly wild, if you have a good reaction time the dodge distance is also really strong

[left briar]

and if you use purgutus, it covers the weakness of knife taking ages to kill a horde

[hot zephyr]

FS dodge being unlimited is great, but you dodge like 1/3rd the distance of the knife

Factor in the slide and you can.... get outta dodge.... pretty quickly.... 😛

[left briar]

i see kirby

[cyan notch]

i dont mind fs horde clearing

makes up for it with all the other utility

[hot zephyr]

Kirby is the original World Eater. Change my mind.

[naive sun]

Does anyone have that short video of the psyker yelling at subtitles from the closed beta?

[mighty pike]

If you mean "foreshortened lifespans" it's on youtube

[naive sun]

Lovely, thank you.

[left briar]

back demon

[mighty pike]

Front demon

[naive sun]

side demon

[hot zephyr]

So I just tested in the grinder. With 4 stacks of warp charge, and no KB popped, a single BB costs 34% peril instead of 45%

And with KB popped, you get 6 chained BBs off and explode on the 7th one if you start your first burst with 4 stacks already

[left briar]

i cant use surge staff, it hurts my eyes

[wet raven]

First one is ight though I'd personally recommend the quell perk as most staves attacks don't count as warp oddly enough

Oh wrong chat ~~- I need sleep...

[hot zephyr]

Yeah, that's a gun-psyker build. Not a staff build

[near wyvern]

Assuming you kill to get the fifth charge

[idle bay]

Just squint every time you use it 🙂

[long wharf]

why would the surge staff hurt your eyes?

[near wyvern]

The knife is good, the only bad part about it is that the mutant DPS is abysmal because how hard it is to find the head when it's moving around

Duelling sword gives you almost the same mobility but a lot better DPS against mutants since it's easy to hit the head even from their back side

[long wharf]

the VFX was rolled back last patch

[naive sun]

Dueling Sword is the Psyker’s Combat Knife, but better.

[wet raven]

Not quite but yes

Same lunge tech better cleave but not quite as silly as you don't get to bleed

[summer prairie]

the knife has a way better push attack

[near wyvern]

The funny thing about the combat knife is that ogryns are considered human sized for the haymaker

So basically you have a chance of one shotting anything that does not have a screen width health bar

And haymaker can also proc if you hit a Bullwark shield

I have clutch insta gibbed a couple crushers at damnation. It's glorious when it happens but definitely not something you can rely on.

[naive sun]

Combat Knife causes bleed?

[near wyvern]

Only with certain blessings

[naive sun]

Bleed doesn’t do a lot of damage, according to Meat Grinder.
Frag Storm on Vet (8 Stacks) doesn’t even finish off groaners/walkers in a grenade’s outer radius.

[fluid knot]

Wait hang on.. We can get haymaker?

(as Psyker not Ogryns)

[wet raven]

Can someone bug report the savage sweep blessing with the duelist sword? Why does a weapon who can't hit more than 2 targets have a blessing that needs you to hit 3 targets to proc

[summer prairie]

It can hit more

[wet raven]

I wouldn't be as mad but 4 of my 6 swords have it

[near wyvern]

Sry it's not a screenshot (long story) but this is what I have on my psyker

[fluid knot]

Huh

Well look at that

[wet raven]

Not in testing

[near wyvern]

It can go up to 4% and you can 'pre load' it by swinging air

At 4% you can get 20% chance to insta gib at 6th heavy and forwards

[summer prairie]

Push attack and heavy should cleave more, but yeah hard to test in the grinder

[near wyvern]

So if you are really good at dodging it can become a viable tactic to quickly deal with bulwarks and crushers

[fluid knot]

Is it faster than combat axe tho

[wet raven]

I believe ogryn weapons don't get it but I could be wrong

[fluid knot]

Yeah they do 100%

Haymaker an bleed used to instakill for us too

[wet raven]

Neat :o

[near wyvern]

For ogryns, yes if you get the proc or crit a couple times on their head

For mutants, no

[jovial quail]

14 more Yarghhhhh

[fluid knot]

That is a fuckin sick frame, gj lad

[jovial quail]

Thanks, 29 games yesterday i can barely play today lol

[near wyvern]

And here I am having a hard time pushing for 3 games a day

[jovial quail]

I just wanna get it done so i can take a break from the game lmao

[long wharf]

you push that hard, you're never coming back to the game

[near wyvern]

Say no for farming

[jovial quail]

Lmao sadly I absolutely adore this game, its everything I wanted v1/v2 to be

but i am burnt out for now

[supple skiff]

208 hours in mission assuming 25 minute runs and 100% completion

fuck that

[jovial quail]

Yea the first 280ish were heresy endless only basically

been doing up/malice tho

[near wyvern]

I guess you don't really have a shortage of crafting mats @jovial quail

[jovial quail]

Sadly have burnt through like 30k+ plasteel

trying to fking get a good knife/purg staff lol

[left briar]

any plasteel peoples in the chat?

[jovial quail]

Jokes on me, still haven't gotten a good roll

[hot zephyr]

@near wyvern So my testing on Damnation in the grinder yielded the following result:
Testing 122133 vs 112133 gun-psyker builds

• Warp Resistance reduces raw cost of a BB from 45% peril at zero charges, to 34% peril with 4 charges.
• Assuming you pop Wrath while already at 4 charges, it allows a 6th BB during KB assuming you chain cast, you'll explode on the 7th BB

With Warp Resistance Swapped out for Wrath

• You need to be at critical peril (80%+) to get the 15% damage boost
• Force Sword can be pushed over a couple critical thresholds with combination of Warp Charges + Wrath, such as two shotting Mutants and Maulers, and one shotting Ragers.

Overall, it seems pretty minor, because you can "temporarily" exceed 100% peril without exploding, you might be right that it's worth swapping Resistance out for Wrath in the build.

[latent juniper]

whats the best first feat you can put on psyker?

[supple skiff]

lower difficulty toughness on warp kill

[mental rock]

quietude

[supple skiff]

higher is ^

[latent juniper]

i assume warp absorption is just doodoo?

[supple skiff]

purge users like it

but you can only have one instance active at a time, so its pretty limited in that sense

[near wyvern]

It's all just so very iffy. The soulblaze on elite BB kill is the most reliable of those to see a benefit but the damage it does is laughable as well

For gun Psykers the second column is just pick your poison slot

[latent juniper]

so

[jovial quail]

Yea I exclusively run 30% per warp kill, it helps wonders against gunners to keep topping you off

[latent juniper]

as a prugatus user

i should have warp absorption it sounds like

[wet raven]

I was reading purg doesn't count as a warp attack though, so does it actually function?

[hot zephyr]

Yeah, like either way it's very minor to the overall build. I'm just saying I think it's so close between Wrath and Resistance it's almost a coin flip. I'm going to try Wrath for a bit and see if I notice any differences, I think the extra Force Sword damage for me might make it worth it, cus it pushes the charged attack over a couple key breakpoints

[latent juniper]

im about to find out

[near wyvern]

No. You want essence harvest.

With AB your soulblaze kills have 10% chance to give you a warp charge.

The majority of purgatus damage comes from soulblaze.

[latent juniper]

warp absorp counts for purgatus

[near wyvern]

With purgatus, take essence harvest, kinetic flayer and AB and you are good to go.

During heavy ranged fights you can just hide behind a corner and start 97 popping and slowly eating enemies behind cover (as long as you can see the head)

You can just keep constant toughness regen on you while dealing with ranged and you get good passive regen while purging with fire.

[hot zephyr]

@near wyvern Does Quietitude count peril that is passively quelled? or do you have to actively be quelling with a warp weapon to get it's regen?

[latent juniper]

it counts passive quell

[near wyvern]

All peril that is quelled.

So that is passive, manual, Battle Meditation (10% chance to quell 10% on kill), ult, Transfer Peril (i.e. voidstaff blessing)

Peril goes down, toughness goes up.

[wet raven]

It even counts your ult quell

[hot zephyr]

Hm, I might have to test 312133 as a gun-psyker then, cus then I could be regening my toughness while passive quelling with gun out.

[supple skiff]

quietude has the added benefit of letting you run up your peril manually, say with a BB rmb, then quell to get toughness

[wet raven]

If you run force sword and a bb pop build with gun then I'd recommend it

[supple skiff]

not always usefull but has its moments

[wet raven]

If not then don't, you don't build up enough peril

[hot zephyr]

That's exactly my build, FS + Deflector, Autogun, BB/KF/KB

[near wyvern]

That is an option yes but your toughness per second takes a hit when you need it.

There is always a slight delay before you start quelling.

And also remember that the higher your peril is, the faster the auto quell is working after the initial delay.

So you basically want to always BB at 50 to get back to near 100

[wet raven]

Not worth doing 90% of the time, passive coherencey regen Is enough to invalidate the toughness gained

[supple skiff]

yeah pretty much

I really only do it when Im behind cover and under fire and need some more toughness to not get melted on my clap back

[wet raven]

It helps though

[supple skiff]

but then your just as well to use BB to gets some value out of the peril generated

[wet raven]

Also there's a bug where force weapons passively quell slower

[supple skiff]

on that point what is bugged. Do force weapons quell too slow, or are the devs going to turn araund and say non force weapons quell too quickly

[summer prairie]

If your fs has very low warp resistance, does it passively quell faster. Probably not

Kind of like the old 2-2 bug

[near wyvern]

@hot zephyr

If you really want to go with Quietitude, consider finding yourself a Force Sword with low warp resist and Exorcist blessing.

The absolutely fastest way to pump your peril up is FS special QQ repeat. With a low warp resist FS you are looking at 20-30% peril per special depending on how low you roll.

Exorcist works extremely well with heavy heavy and light heavy. (Quell on repeated weakspot hits)

[hot zephyr]

This is my current FS I'm using

I would be looking to add either Slaughter or Exorcist to it when crafting for blessings is open

[near wyvern]

Too high for quietitude but fine for anything else

Why not roll that 20 into 25 maniac?

For slicing those mutants a bit harder

[hot zephyr]

It doesn't change any breakpoints, but yeah it's free rerolls. I just haven't sat at Hadron rolling it to get that

[near wyvern]

This is mine

Went with infested because it allows me to 2 tap light groaner & poxwalker heads and 1 tap heavy them

So +8% melee weakspot is now +25% infested

[hot zephyr]

Hm, maybe it would be better if I rerolled that over to +25% infested. I tend to shoot mutants mostly on damn since you wanna catch em on the charge

And the main reason I took +20 maniacs was for mutants

[heavy wigeon]

Not ragers?

[near wyvern]

Ragers are either dead or on the floor

[hot zephyr]

Yeah, I fight ragers in melee. I am smort

[heavy wigeon]

ww

[fierce sinew]

they really need to just give us a dropdown to select from once you hit free rerolls at hadron

[hot zephyr]

I dunno, it's a toss up really

[near wyvern]

It's free so you can always switch back

[hot zephyr]

Give this man the $10,000

[fluid knot]

Should just have that anyway

[fierce sinew]

the difference between 20 and 25% being my own insanity is too on flavor for this psyker

[fluid knot]

Cost reduction thing is inane as it could be

[near wyvern]

No no, 100 aquillas

[hot zephyr]

rofl

[near wyvern]

Enough to redeem their promise of being able to gift aquillas, but not enough to get anything

It's just a clever PR move

[fierce sinew]

even better, just charge 1k cubes to skip the line entirely

endgame ribbon to cube ratio fixed too

or at least helped

[hot zephyr]

Aight, only took ~50 rolls

Off to the grinder

Yeah, that was well worth the reroll

Wrath + Warp Charges + 25% to Infested makes horde clear wayyyyyyyy better

@near wyvern Thanks for the tip brother, this is going to save so much of my sanity

[velvet stratus]

Does the flame staff aply suppression?

[hot zephyr]

Yes, it also applies stagger as well.

[velvet stratus]

Does the non charged shot apply suppression?

[hot zephyr]

I'm honestly not sure, I want to say yes because that's generally my experience with it, but I tend to chuff with my LMB attacks so it's hard to tell

[velvet stratus]

I remember rushing a bunch of ranged enemies and attacking them with the secondary shot but they just backed off and kept shooting

[near wyvern]

NP

[velvet stratus]

They didn't engage in melee they didn't get suppressed or staggered they just took a step back and kept shooting

[hot zephyr]

Suppression doesn't mean engage in melee, it means they'll seek cover. If you don't apply enough suppression, it won't make them run very far.

There is also a suspected bug with Gunners that they don't suppress correctly right now, so it's possible you may have experienced that

That or Gunner are MUCH harder to suppress now, it's hard to know for sure. It's all guesswork

[lucid mortar]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/1000s5t/formally_announcing_the_armoury_exchange/

Browser extension for checking shop

pretty neat

[velvet stratus]

I know suppression means they seek cover. I mentioned melee because from what I understand ranged enemies are supposed to engage you in melee once you're close enough

[hot zephyr]

Ok, no worries. Just trying to be clear. Cus those are two different behaviours. Yes, ranged enemies will draw a melee weapon and engage in melee once you get close. I don't know the exact range offhand, but it's fairly close, like 3m-4m.

[soft dagger]

Except some shotgunners. Even shorter range before they use the bajonet. They use their shotgun longer then the avg range unit I noticed.

[solar fossil]

is the force sword the highest single blow damage

[lethal lagoon]

Og grenade box, no?

[solar fossil]

i see

[solar fossil]

i remember my friend was so excited when he started playing ogryn because i told him he just threw a box of grenades

he was so disappointed when it didnt blow up

[fierce sinew]

not my screenshot, but if you align the stars the ceiling is high

[solar fossil]

wait wtf

thats so much damage

how do you like

get it that high

[proud mantle]

2 different numbers

The alignment is slightly off lol

[solar fossil]

alignment

wdym

so sorry im still fairly new

[lethal lagoon]

It's not 170k is what he's saying lmao

[solar fossil]

oh wait

OH

i see

okay

sorry

whats better

toughness or max health

[lethal lagoon]

toughness is weird in this game. Health by far

[solar fossil]

i kinda felt like toughness would be better since i use quietitude

but if you say so

[lethal lagoon]

I felt that too, but it just doesn't work that well

[solar fossil]

i see

alright thanks

[lethal lagoon]

I ran both

Health is just vastly superior

[solar fossil]

ill take your word for it 🙏

[lethal lagoon]

I still keep good toughness curios though, who knows what future patches will change

With 150 toughness and 80% quell speed, 1-2 shooters will still outpace you by far on t5. It's just silly.

[solar fossil]

ah

i see

ill stick to health then

[lethal lagoon]

So 150 is base health, and having 120-130 after losing a wound is really nice when you think about it.

[violet yoke]

just dont get shot by anything on t5 espically shot gunners thoes things are nuts

[lethal lagoon]

So 2-3 health curios is grea

[solar fossil]

i see

what head gear do you think would look cool with this

[lethal lagoon]

That new eye headgear is pretty great

[solar fossil]

ooh yeah

that ones sick

shame its not avalible for ogryn

what do you think about the new rebreather one

[hot zephyr]

I recommend 1 health curio, 1 toughness curio, and 1 wound curio as psyker until you get geared and get used to high difficulty settings

Eventually you can double or triple up on health or toughness once you know how to survive and don't need the extra wound

[solar fossil]

i seee

thank you

how much +health is good

like the one i have right now is +12

[elfin roost]

But they can

[hot zephyr]

+20% health is max, and 17% toughness is max

[lethal lagoon]

20-21 and then +4-5 in the slot is what you wanna see in a blue.

[solar fossil]

wait what

[elfin roost]

2nd feat lets em blow up on armor

[fluid knot]

HP for base, 20% toughness regen, CDR, and 2 Gunner/1 revive speed would be my ideal lineup ngl

[elfin roost]

Its literally like 3 veteran tier grenades in one after the hit

6 explosions and each do like half damage of vet's

[lethal lagoon]

Psykers are basically a counter to gunners, so I don't see the point in that. Toughness regen is weird too. But everyone has their own playstyle.

[elfin roost]

Oh yeah also blows up on any non trash enemy

[elfin roost]

If psykers counter gunners who counters the gun teams?

[steel sluice]

drip check

[hot zephyr]

Psykers counter Crushers/Bulwarks, Vets counter Gunners and Reapers

[lethal lagoon]

F and BB slaughters gunners lmao

And you can get them behind cover

I've never seen a vet effectively deal with a horde of gunners

They are great for marking them though

[elfin roost]

I don't think it's that simple, as many weapons can counter those 2

[steel sluice]

As a vet main they arent doing their job then

[white walrus]

Psyker counters everything when you get good with force lightning

[elfin roost]

Vet's ability to delete gunners is insanely superior to psykers, psykers just make it safer and easier for the player to take a couple out at a time

[lethal lagoon]

No shot a vet kills 5 gunners in 12 seconds. Psyker can.

[cold elm]

i still have yet to get a force sword that rolls with deflector

[lethal lagoon]

Note by "gunner" i mean the elite.

[cold elm]

even a bad one

[elfin roost]

Say for yourself

[white walrus]

This isnt a solo game though. Vet + Psyker.... gg

[drifting hawk]

with what

[lethal lagoon]

F and BB, lvl 30 BB perk

[hot zephyr]

You clearly don't play on high difficulty. BB takes 3 hits to kill a single Reaper on Damnation

[elfin roost]

An above average non random vet can take out 6 gunners in 10 seconds

[lethal lagoon]

GUNNER.

Say it with me.

[hot zephyr]

Veteran can 2 shot a reaper

[lethal lagoon]

Not reaper

[full kite]

yeah they can do it in like 3

[white walrus]

if you are ever in a situation where you are doing any of these things along either you are the last one alive or your team is not working together

[elfin roost]

Veterans can one tap (1) a gunner with some of their faster weapons

[white walrus]

alone*

[lethal lagoon]

In which universe. Maybe if they are lined up like bowling pins.

Half of them are going to be behind cover

[steel egret]

[full kite]

MGXII one taps with ult lol

[elfin roost]

As a psyker you aren't gonna hit the bb either in a horde

[lethal lagoon]

^ speak for yourself

Elites are super easy to pick out

[steel egret]

If I have to BB on Damnation

things are really bad.

[elfin roost]

Exactly my point, it's hypocritical of me to say that

[steel egret]

50% and XII Kantareal and if they cant kill it even with their see thru walls everyone magic skill.

[elfin roost]

Only

[white walrus]

why would you BB a reaper.... or any ogryn

[naive sun]

You're probably doing it because your Vet brought a plasmagun and isn't killing shooter groups fast enough.

[steel egret]

Still close enough to shoot me.

[hot zephyr]

If you are playing with a vet who can't kill gunners faster than a psyker, you either are the best psyker on the planet, or you are playing with bad veterans.

Can a psyker kill gunners with BB? yeah of course. But there's no way given equal skill levels that a psyker can put down gunners faster than a vet.

[naive sun]

Must be a lot of bad Veterans these days.

[white walrus]

why wuld you BB a gunner lol

[elfin roost]

Not to mention, vet has more potential to kill psykers faster

[steel egret]

Since beta.

[white walrus]

Force lighting literally everything besides snipers

[steel egret]

I usually block veteran after every rando match so I dont get matched with them again.

[elfin roost]

BB can only be so fast, but a kantreal with volley fire is faster

[solar fossil]

how many force sword skins are there

[full kite]

gun psyker is good okay

[elfin roost]

A bolter, without volley fire, is extremely fast

[full kite]

but you shouldn't say they do special delete better than vet lol

[white walrus]

Psychers line everything up to be killed by the team... and BBis good for snipers grendaiers and dogs

[steel egret]

They look so mundane that I dont think people keep count but I can try, cash shop has like 3 or 4, 2 from regular vendor, imperial edition 1.

There you go.

[hot zephyr]

Yeah, like a good vet who can aim will just headshot constantly and keep their ability extended, and hence basically 1 shot every special including gunners

[elfin roost]

BB is a wonderful tool for taking out a special or two behind cover, but it's not the top killing god of offensive tools

[fierce sinew]

does either the chrome extension or firefox addon work for anyone at the moment?

[steel egret]

BB Dogs in damnation.

[fierce sinew]

I get infinite loading with both

[hot zephyr]

42/10 skill lol

[naive sun]

I was so sad to find that BB doesn't instakill dogs in Damnation compared to in Malice.

[white walrus]

not all dogs all the time... just the randos

it does with stacks and taletns

[steel egret]

Yeah I'm sure

[fluid knot]

Not better per se, but more range (BB) and still very high DPS, more mobile too, as good, but in a more utilitarian way than Vet

[solar fossil]

do any of them look any good

[crimson ravine]

Psyker bad feel bad

[solar fossil]

i have the blue one from regular vendor

whats the imperial edition one look like

[steel egret]

Imperial one changes model a bit and one in cash store in second launched set.

[white walrus]

Psycher with the right perks and 1/4 charge his lightning and perma cc everything in front of him for like 20 seconds

[steel egret]

if you like jungle camo you like rest 6-7 there are.

[full kite]

I get what you mean, but tbh MGXII is too good with the vet traits when it comes to deleting specials if they have good aim

[fast swan]

wait wtf am i supposed to do with BB then?

[elfin roost]

Yeah it's great for mobile targets but it does suffer in the sheer amount of kills you can get with it in a set time

[solar fossil]

do all of the camo ones have the same model

[white walrus]

BB is for snipers and the odd grenadier

[steel egret]

thats the neat part, you dont use it.

[solar fossil]

do you know if i can find a picture of it or no

[lethal lagoon]

@fast swan F a shotgun pack and take them out before your team even knew they spawned.

[fast swan]

🥺

[steel egret]

I can send you one.

[white walrus]

your team can deal with everything else better than you, or should

[solar fossil]

that would be sick

[fluid knot]

I use Kinetic Barrage to kill Ogryn enemies, like a lot

[fluid knot]

If not kill, heavily damage so they dont prove too much of an issue should they get closer

[full kite]

mm bb on bulwark is great

[white walrus]

Thats fine, if your team has a capaple zealot just CCIng them works fine too

[solar fossil]

thats kinda cool

[full kite]

dat shield pop

[solar fossil]

doesnt imperial edition come with a charm too

[white walrus]

Not saying you cant, but if they are sitting there frozen and you have good teamates they become delated, meanwhile you arent making yourself uselss focusing one mob

[steel egret]

Probably atomas one, on that sword.

[elfin roost]

Psykers best for fighting out of bad situations utilizing the potentially infinite shots and incredible blocking, but does suffer if too many units are at a higher range than the staff can be fully utilized

[wet raven]

When you get kinetic flayer on the force sword empowered swing

[steel egret]

surge zap bulwark, use force sword special.

BB? no.

[white walrus]

^

only if solo thougj

[steel egret]

yeah

[white walrus]

Otherwise is still to dangerous to bother with force sword for hordes

[lethal lagoon]

Surge is great if you are new to t5s, but the other staffs can CC as well and actually do damage.

[steel egret]

if not solo then you just surge and watch bulwark go

[elfin roost]

Never trust a qp player to do their job

[full kite]

I am now only level 15

[steel egret]

lol

[full kite]

can't wait till I can get a decent force sword that can handle hordes

[lethal lagoon]

^ you will be waiting forever

Force swords are not for that

[full kite]

[steel egret]

Its most reliable there, but ok.

[hot zephyr]

Well, this we can agree on lol

[elfin roost]

Meanwhile power sword being insanely op:

[lethal lagoon]

relying on your teammates is "reliable"? Fuck that lmao.

[elfin roost]

It's best there

[white walrus]

Yes, if you make friends and paly with thenm

[lethal lagoon]

Maybe if you got a dedicated group you only play with, even then surge is so boring

[steel egret]

With surge I can carry ompa lompas

Oh so boring is the issue?

[elfin roost]

Infinite power is boring?

[white walrus]

I only really paly with the same 2 other friends so

4th is rando

Zealot easts everything alive that i cc and sharpshooter cleans up

[solar fossil]

is this a zealot or pysker skin

[steel egret]

psyker

[solar fossil]

thank god