psyker-class

[silver oar]

okay why dont deflector swords ever pop up

like im trying to have fun, game

[magic hull]

Purg is a must

your a horde slayer

not an elite flamer

[solar fossil]

purge seems like the best for horde clearing, why do people use void over it then?

[lethal lagoon]

The store keeper hates mutants. So psykers get fucked all the time.

No deflector for you

[violet yoke]

of all the staffs Void seems to be the most useless on T5s imo

[cyan notch]

more range more utility but still decent at hordes

[lethal lagoon]

@solar fossil personal preference and low IQ

[jovial quail]

@wet raven Flamer is hands down the most broken weapon in the game so rightfully so, but still endless hordes on Damnation still drains you pretty fast, especially if you have 2 veterans as well on the team just blapping their bolters into hordes like theres no tomorrow lmao. Still completely doable but makes ammo a bit more scarce

[wet raven]

no? you can do that with void but void ALSO lets you kill snipers and gunners which is the real threat

[magic hull]

lmao ok

[lethal lagoon]

@wet raven BB after F is way better for snipers and gunners lmao

[magic hull]

we have a void staff lickers over here boys

[lethal lagoon]

Void is just an awkward staff that fails at 5

[jovial quail]

Void staff is fun but is completely irrelevant in damnation imo

[cyan notch]

nah ive used all staffs at t5 reguarly and void and purg handle themselvess the best

[lethal lagoon]

Voidstrike t5 users are just a step above gun psykers. They think they are carrying but the whole team hates them.

[silver oar]

oh ok

[cyan notch]

surge u kinda need teammates

[wet raven]

im talking all the trash mobs, also trageting on the bb is F'd so gl trying to target the sniper between the 3 gunners and 9 horde spawn hes behind

[silver oar]

i booisted this one up

im so happy

finally deflector

[magic hull]

i wouldnt say irrelevant, still useful

[jovial quail]

Fair

[stray pond]

Wee bit jealous, just a little bit

[silver oar]

what does finesse on force sword even do

[lethal lagoon]

@wet raven Have you ever heard of marking and jumping, I have 0 issues lmao

[boreal sun]

hello psykers

[lethal lagoon]

Don't even need a mark most of the time.

[boreal sun]

through the power of the warp, you are able to see your armory shop from the web browser!

[lethal lagoon]

That little red beam is enough

[orchid nest]

crit damage, weakspot damage, attack speed

[silver oar]

wowww

i wish i could boost modifiers

[lethal lagoon]

Whoever made that browser extension is basically doing fatshark's job, gg

[cyan notch]

how is void worse than purg though they void is slightly worse at hordes but still very decent and has more range and can stun maulers/crushers etc

[noble sluice]

wtf is the description of warp nexus "+crit chance based on current peril, max of 3% crit chance, stacks 5 times" so it maxes at 3% or 15%?

[silver oar]

which should i refine

[magic hull]

source boss

i need source

where

now

i send inquisitor

[boreal sun]

will send in dm, not here.

[wet raven]

yes, and its still not working XP ive had issues even with crushers having to reapply it 3 times? before it finally works because instead of having it be 100% accurate they for some reason though a general area with priority is better

[magic hull]

pls do tnks

[hexed inlet]

i would keep the +stam

[silver oar]

im thinking stamina but

oh

i guess ill do crit then

[lethal lagoon]

@wet raven Might just be a screen issue or some thing like that. I don't have targetting problems 99% of the time I get what I want.

[hexed inlet]

more stam makes blocking cost less peril with the feat

[silver oar]

whats the best one to do

[magic hull]

you should refine deez nuts.

[silver oar]

thanks

anyways

what is the ideal perk i should get

[elfin roost]

Which, as crow said, is practically invaluable when not on a high peril build

[silver oar]

replacing crit damage melee

[hexed inlet]

probably flak armor or something

[wet raven]

i get high packet loss despite a solid connection

[cyan notch]

wait are you sure about this?

[wet raven]

makes me even more terrified of dogs than most people are

[lethal lagoon]

@wet raven Fuck these servers lmao

I don't even bother dodging dogs anymore. I'll always rubberband and get caught. Have to stun them.

Thankfully mutants are ok, if you do it borderline perfect

[cyan notch]

pushing them is pretty consistent

[elfin roost]

Thats the secret doc

[wet raven]

i had a SS fail to stun a mutant when he was charging an ally, during 3 slams and a toss... and only after the toss did he get stunned

[elfin roost]

Just eat the dog and hope your team kills them

[silver oar]

when will we be able to boost modifiers

[lethal lagoon]

Yes, pushing is an option, depends on what I have out

[silver oar]

we need to do this

[wet raven]

like? hello? mutant? you okay there bud?

[lethal lagoon]

@wet raven SS on mutant feels like a dice roll sometimes.

[covert ermine]

Just shot dog my Beloved provides so many autoguns for this reason

[hexed inlet]

this is what i was going off

[magic hull]

me when im one pixel away from the mutant's right hand

[lethal lagoon]

Dodging and hitting a charging mutant with the force sword special is so fucking satsifying though. Do it 3 times and he's gone.

[ornate hamlet]

For some messed up reason I can't dodge dogs as my psyker, but I find it easy when I'm playing my ogryn.

[noble sluice]

they need to change how SS works, it currently latches to up to 5 enemies but if it doesn't hit that cap it doesnt attach to any other enemies that enter its targeting range and that makes it feel so off since the vfx shows it latching onto more targets

[wet raven]

thought it was 6?

[naive dawn]

dodging is unreliable on dogs, much better to push/attack them to stagger.

[noble sluice]

it might be 6 but my point stil lstands

[wet raven]

and it also struggles to prioritize specialists which... is awful in hordes //`o

[noble sluice]

exactly

[vagrant cedar]

nothing is reliable

roll the dice and hope for the best

[lethal lagoon]

Animation canceling the staff shreds and stuns doggies though, so that's nice

[ornate hamlet]

Although one time I dodged a dog and it flew off a cliff so that kind of made it all worth it

[lethal lagoon]

Animaton cancelling the purg stuns better than SS

Man I'm going to be sad when/if that's fixed

so much fun

[cyan notch]

ty ill test this

[ornate hamlet]

I hope they don't nerf psyker purg, I would be very sad as well

Took a while to get my build going and it's so satisfying at this point

[silver oar]

is boosting modifiers planned

[solar fossil]

makes sense tysm

[orchid nest]

I expect they will do that, the force sword qq spam, and maybe the void secondary peril. they could just change the tooltip to match current behavior too though there

[wet raven]

i wish i had recordings of me using bolter
despite my rather solid aim (60-80%) the fact only 50-75% of the bullets actually register damage make the gun laughably bad XP

i had an instance of hitting a sniper twice and him still being alive despite being knocked onto the floor and having recieved 2 hit markers (the gun can instant kill snipers if it so much as scratches their toe)

[solar fossil]

anyone have a screenshot of the fire wastes camo force sword

[vagrant cedar]

i have mobs being purged with staff and they still hit me, or the dog has been sprayed 5 times before the jump, jumps at me like it's nothing

and then sometimes you have where only 1 puff is enough to push them away

this game has no consistency at all

[magic hull]

left click

always left click to stagger

how many times

do i have

to emphasize this

[vagrant cedar]

you can achieve that with right click too

no?

[magic hull]

not consistent

[wet raven]

not consistent

[vagrant cedar]

huh

[wet raven]

even on void, for whatever reason

[magic hull]

ur guaranteed to have a dog jump at you with right click because you cant see shit

even bombers, do left click

[vagrant cedar]

wait wait

you can stagger kamikadze bursters with purge's left click?

[boreal sun]

stay away from vet channel

they are hostile to psykers

[fleet crater]

me being both 👀

[wet raven]

vet channel is hostile to everyone?

that place is a hazard zone

[boreal sun]

ogryns usually nice

[silver oar]

ogryns are always nice what

[magic hull]

yes, 80% of the time

[wet raven]

ive had one awful experience with one, once

[magic hull]

the other 20% blame the emeperor

oh wait u cant

thats heresy

[vagrant cedar]

oh shit, i been trying to F them

oh

so can you or not

cause i know you can F push them

or block push them

[wet raven]

define inconsistent for us in your words

[vagrant cedar]

but those fkers got 1.4k health

[vagrant cedar]

so 50/50

[solar fossil]

what is a perils of the warp explosion

im trying to get storm witch's duty raiment

[wet raven]

when you overload you explode

[solar fossil]

ahhh

so its that

okay

tysm

sorry

[wet raven]

downs you but you do 700-400 damage in an aoe around you

[solar fossil]

yeah ive seen it

i just want quite sure what it was

[wet raven]

im giving you numbers so you can understand how painful that one is

a rager has 1150 hp on medium difficulty i think?

friend got it back when force sword push produced peril

[magic hull]

idk try it out for yourself

works for me

[echo parrot]

Ask question in vet chat about a gun, nobody responds, everyone is talking about preference on fat

[silver oar]

is purgatus worse flamer y/n

i think not

[echo parrot]

Quality

[wet raven]

absolutely

[magic hull]

low level worse than zealot flamer, high level ten times better

[wet raven]

only benefit is not running out of ammo, but zealot flamer can deal with everything in game (funny F key bug)

[magic hull]

you forgot reload

purgatus is way faster

[wet raven]

purg i think has better stun but you can get that with a blessing on flamer

[wet raven]

true, but usually nothing remains once im done spraying, and also quick flame

[solar fossil]

can you buy a single piece of something from a pack

[wet raven]

click on bundle

[magic hull]

well you cant say that to heresy and damnation

you will eventually run out of flamer ammo on zealots

perils management on spsyker is better

[solar fossil]

what do you guys think of this cosmetic

[cyan notch]

lame

[wet raven]

true, i just need more time playing those modes but dont have the friends or luck quing i actually need

[cyan notch]

but its subjective

[solar fossil]

whatt really?

what headgears do you like

[wet raven]

i like rebreathers but dont like this, id not, there are more fancy things

[cyan notch]

i dont like any of psykers extravagant head chandeliers tbh

[solar fossil]

me neither, but i thought the one i posted was kinda cool

its simple

[wet raven]

ye, but running psy is a massive eh over just having another preacher

[solar fossil]

neat

[echo parrot]

This thing just looks painful af

[solar fossil]

painful but it looks pretty cool

[cyan notch]

i mean hey if you like it great

[echo parrot]

Want to see somebody with it one before I even contemplate getting it

[solar fossil]

do you need to deal 90% of its health alone or just kill it with brainburst

[echo parrot]

90% of its health, with brainburst

[solar fossil]

OH WOW

okay thats difficult

ill try

[cyan notch]

gotta be heresy and up too

[solar fossil]

yeahh

seems hard

what head gears do you guys like

[mental rock]

goggles chads

[solar fossil]

ooh

i didnt know pysker had goggles

could i see them

[magic hull]

then y u in psy channel my boi

[mental rock]

im not in game right now but im sure someone here has them

[cyan notch]

check your kinetic killer penance

[wet raven]

just get an ogryn to shield a DH for you in a tier 4

pray your randoms are kind

[orchid nest]

here, I stole someone elses ss since I'm not in game

[wet raven]

you can ask one of the bois in ogryn chat, they are usually nice enough to assist

[wet raven]

he got the drip

[solar fossil]

oh thats weird

[orchid nest]

it will update to new head gear as you complete it

[solar fossil]

doesnt have goggles on the preview

ooh okay

[orchid nest]

there is 3 diff ones

[mental rock]

thats the tier one hood

[ornate hamlet]

When the psyker gets goggles but the veteran doesn't haha

[solar fossil]

can you change it to just be the goggles

[mental rock]

sadly no

[solar fossil]

whats the best curios for psyker

[wet raven]

gotta pay for those

[vagrant cedar]

such a wide question

[wet raven]

toughness and hp in general are the best curios, depends on how you play
wounds 1 also helps a lot in any heresy or above mission

[solar fossil]

what does wounds 1 even mean

theres on in my shop

[wet raven]

gives you an extra pip (lets you get downed 1 more time, also makes corruption a little less painful)

[long wharf]

2x health, 1 wound

[wet raven]

max of each is...
17% toughness
21% hp
+1 wounds
+3 stam

[long wharf]

next question.

toughness on psyker is pointless

[vagrant cedar]

debatable

can stack 2x15 to reduce dmg from a shooter burst

[wet raven]

also helps with rezing as gunners if they exceed your toughness stun you out of it

[leaden pier]

5% toughness is a possible perk for curios right?

[wet raven]

if its tier 4

have fun recycling it for 2 hours

[leaden pier]

yep

i have seen 20% resist against tox flamers 10 times now

ah i just got the 5% toughness

[valid forge]

which property is better to keep on a high rolled purgatus staff and why: (+8%) crit damage or (+8%) damage vs elites? (assume any melee is available to pair with it)

[long wharf]

you really don't want either

[valid forge]

yea well, I have a 500 rating purgatus staff and im keeping one of them 😄

[long wharf]

as neither of those will affect soulblaze

roll the damage vs elites off for ranged crit chance

[wet raven]

got one from melk, finally, he was useful!

[jovial quail]

I'd almost counter and say keep the 8% elite because of how poor the damage is with purg staff in terms of crit, its more the utility to stack more soulblaze faster

[valid forge]

lucky. upgraded mine from blue

[long wharf]

if you're critting more often, that's more damage to everything, not just elites

[jovial quail]

I needa test % base with soulblaze stacks but pretty sure it scales higher burn damage with higher damage % versus crit just adding an extra like 5 damage from the crits. And even then he'd need Warp Nexus as well

Time to do some testing!

[wet raven]

only after i bought 5 of them ~-~... melk...

[lethal lagoon]

My fellow brother stuck with the best of two terrible options, sprint effiency.

[wet raven]

LOL

[lethal lagoon]

Best SS i've ever gotton and it was stam and sprint lmao.

[wet raven]

emp gift

now i just need a good trauma staff (after i painstakingly upgrades 3 different voids...) and im set ~,,~

[lethal lagoon]

Currently deciding. Would obviously prefer a stacked gift rather than grinding plasteel though.

[vivid merlin]

have we talked about how psyker gets to pay twice for different colour of the same model

because lol what a thing to wake up to

[lethal lagoon]

A shame manic damage is useless

for SS

Specilist damage is meh but still better than manic though.

[wet raven]

id say the one on the bottom

flurry makes right click spamming (with tranquility) much more smooth and damage is probably the only stat it doesnt need high, (unarmored may help or do nothing for hordes but that doesnt matter as much)

[lethal lagoon]

You need unarmored or you can't one-shot those helmet mobs

[wet raven]

ah, then certainly the second

wishing you luck :>

[lethal lagoon]

I love flak too though, I'm actually planning on rolling flak unarmored.

Unarmoured and flak covers all ranged units

That's why I like it

They are just so fucking strong on t5

[wet raven]

they should do some readjustments XP

because jesus losing 80% of your toughness to one base mob shooter is ridiculous

[lethal lagoon]

Yeah, I feel like the idea of a horde game is slightly lost with the ranged units being so overtuned.

80% if you are lucky, I've seen them just down it.

It is insane either way

Makes rolling toughness curios pointless because they slice through it anyways

[cyan notch]

shotgunners spawn behind you hit you with 1 pump backshot and you lose 50hp

[lethal lagoon]

Psykers are actually BIS in that situation. Instant F and then BB the downed shotties.

[wet raven]

reminds me of the old (stupid) bioware games.. think it was dragon age...? their idea for high difficulty was to spam hordes of 20 archers at you... now for perspective, they had aimbot, shot per second, and dealt 33% of your hp in damage

[lethal lagoon]

That dragon age is now considered old makes me feel old as fuck lmao

[wet raven]

literally the only way to run through the game at high difficulty was spamming 1 type of the playable classes that gave you infinite shields and that was it

[unborn basalt]

What should I be looking for in curios for the psyker? Wound and health?

[wet raven]

1 wound 2 hp/ or toughness

generally hp

[lethal lagoon]

If you never self blow up, wound isn't necessary, but it is nice. HP is definitely better than toughness.

[wet raven]

meanwhile the true chads go 3 wounds :> just think of how many times you can go down

[lethal lagoon]

Think of how many times the poor og or psyker has to rez you 😭

Whenever I see a zealot with a bunch of wounds I know I'm in a fun? time.

[viral oracle]

dude

just had a fucking clutch random group

in damnation

feels good man

[worn canopy]

Are we better yet

[lethal lagoon]

Best t5 pub I ever had was 3 psykers with three different staves. Was so smooth.

[high agate]

Whatre some good psyker names

[lethal lagoon]

Headache, Migraine, Premature

[cyan notch]

Kerillian

[wet raven]

AID ME KINDRED

[supple skiff]

had a 3 lock with psykers myself with a void, then a purge and surge. Then a vet with a XI las. felt really good but hi intensity caught up with us

[lethal lagoon]

@worn canopy Psykers have always been pretty strong. Just watch a streamer with 500+ hours who plays one if you are struggling.

[wet raven]

idk both my friends are vets (one mains psy but is outclassed) so im forced to be our only frontline when we 8/10 get a 3rd vet in our squad

[magic hull]

Billy herrington

[viral oracle]

ogryn zealot and two psykers

harry potter

[lethal lagoon]

@wet raven It haunts my dreams

[mystic dirge]

something is sus about this strike team

[lethal lagoon]

Indeed. I didn't know you could use - in a name

[cyan notch]

amongus

[wet raven]

its the only other character youre allowed

[wet raven]

hehehehe

god... im surprised i dont go down more often playing zealot considering what i have to deal with most the time

flamer op

[wet raven]

its a good thing ogryn cant count past 4

[supple skiff]

Can count on that bot to shoot hosts and pox bursters

[fierce sinew]

some shitter in a pug I was just in got mad that we picked up grims, said we should pick them up and then dump them immediately because you get credit for contract/challenge purposes as long as you pick them up and then clear the mission (regardless of whether you still have them)

is the shitter correct?

[cyan notch]

yes

[fierce sinew]

lmao

good to know ig

[wet raven]

you still suffer the corruption damage but you arnt forced to hold it, only thing you lose out on is gold

[magic hull]

that's where you are allowed to troll

[supple skiff]

But what about those 3 whole ordo dockets

[cyan notch]

i am aware

[wet raven]

was adding ontop of what you had :V

[fierce sinew]

imagine the shop having anything worth spending coins on anyway

[fringe garden]

gross

[naive dawn]

my 2.5mil ordos speaks volumes to me

[lethal lagoon]

I have too much FOMO. I buy everything that I might have a 0.001% chance of using. My gold is lacking

[supple skiff]

Funny that the biggest benefit grims have to offer, xp, is most useful to the players which are more likely to not be able to complete a mission with them lol

[wet raven]

me still poor from trying to have decent versions of every weapon only to find a better one 2 days later

[lethal lagoon]

I have tons of green curios that are 16-17% T and 20-21% HP

[naive dawn]

At least you found one, I found everythign I basically need on my Psyker and it will only get better with blessing rerolls. The shop seriously needs a reroll button for X ordos

[lethal lagoon]

No real reason, not like I'll ever have enough plasteel for it to be worth it

[wet raven]

that and i cant que for heresy or above so i cant get a decent income XP

[cyan notch]

what

are you on gamepass

[wet raven]

im on steam

[naive dawn]

Tons of players on Steam, I'm stunned stupid, they didnt think about crossplay with Gamepass.

[tender cypress]

paid feature

[naive dawn]

what an incredible way to fuck up a good opportunity to have people enjoy the game.

[long wharf]

it's not about "thinking about crossplay"

[cyan notch]

how do u not get queues then

[wet raven]

it just never ques me up with anyone despite the wait, id rather not wait for 6 minutes just to end up finding out my vet doesnt know how to aim and is level 17

[cyan notch]

maybe your region

[naive dawn]

Yeh could be your region, I very rarely don't have a full game of people on Heresy.

[supple skiff]

Contractually obligated to have DT on game pass, doesn’t enable cross play so everyone buys it on steam anyways -phatshark probably

[lethal lagoon]

I have that issue sometimes, and I'm NA. I'll queue, be alone, leave, requeue and get a full group.

There is definitely something wrong

[naive dawn]

You have to wait sometimes

[wet raven]

i live in the us but im a graveyard shifter

[lethal lagoon]

I wait and I'm still there with 3 bots 5 minutes later

[naive dawn]

Same, I play late normally midnight - 4am always have a full group still

[lethal lagoon]

I requeue and get instant group.

[night ermine]

The browser extension helps with this. No need to login and check store constantly when you can see it from your browser for all your characters.

[lethal lagoon]

The queue system is just fucked

[supple skiff]

As are most other secondary systems attached to this game

[maiden wolf]

Named mine Faustine with the French voice. Its an homage to "Faustian", but also an actual French person name.

[fresh reef]

just realized that how I play vet is just inverse psyker lol
brain burst - revolver
trauma staff - infinite supply of grenades

[hybrid stump]

where can I report bug like this :<?

nevermind saw the place

[lethal lagoon]

@fresh reef Trauma literally a better version of the frag grenade haha

[fresh reef]

true

unfortunately though, brain burst can't do this lmao

[wet raven]

frag bleed perk though

[fresh reef]

trauma bleed blessing when

[wet raven]

never, you get soulfire when you crit (me trying to hold back wheezing)

[fresh reef]

oh boy I can't wait for four stacks of soulblaze!

it's warp fire, so surely it should at least be equivalent to double the stacks of bleed right??

[wet raven]

just watching the world burn

[fresh reef]

can't kill poxwalkers on t5

[wet raven]

burning someone's soul to cinders? nothing... minor cut in a zombie made to be resilient to everything in existence? dying

[supple skiff]

love getting dc'd at the start of a boss fight

guess we wiped cause I couldnt reconnect, thanks darktide

[wet raven]

me wouldve having already completed a penance but it requires you to never dc to be able to do :> (never going down in malice tier or above for multiple missions)

[azure oar]

https://tenor.com/view/frog-fail-lol-rana-sapo-gif-6159097

[lethal lagoon]

@wet raven Ah, the legendary, can't get on Spectrum Internet, penance.

[warm matrix]

Worth?

I've never seen blazing spirit before

[cyan notch]

yes if u dont have deflector

no otherwise

[warm matrix]

sour milk can have it then

[wet raven]

no in general

the only good thing on it is deflector X3

[cyan notch]

tested this with a total of +15 stamina (9 from trinkets + 1 from weapon perk + 4 from weapon) and 52% block efficiency

[warm matrix]

It's sad that the limited acquisitions spawn weapons with base stats like that

what's even the point of weeklies if the rng can make it pointless

[wet raven]

to avoid the even more harsh grind of upgrading weapons with unusable blessings

[whole wharf]

I love the mask, the collar however I think still clips through most hair styles, sadly. 😭

As far as I still know at least.

[hardy garnet]

So the purgatus staff has a unique m1 but the others don’t 🙃

[haughty schooner]

thiws drives me nuts. keep having games where im shocking the hell out of dogs n mutants and its hitting them but not stunning them off my team

takes like 2 or 3 casts to finally stun them

[naive dawn]

I swear at some point, the dogs gain a 100% immunity to cc. I've hit them with two full charge surges and hit then with an 80% peril push. Nothing will move it till it dies.

[haughty schooner]

dang thats crazyt

[naive dawn]

After it lands on someone

[haughty schooner]

or when a poxburster leaps at you n you hit F and it just ignores the shockwave to blow up in your face

[naive dawn]

Yeh our ult is very unreliable because its "push" is based on Peril. I don't know what % works for poxbursters specifically because they just don't seem to listen to push to knock them back compared to a single tick of rmb surge.

[haughty schooner]

it is?

[naive dawn]

But fun fact in most situations if a teammate has a dog on them, your push goes through walls and such. So you can always throw it aiming at the dog and it usually will knock the beast off.

[haughty schooner]

i thought the push strength was the same regardless of anything

[naive dawn]

I'm almost positive it scales with peril charge

But could be entirely wrong. Just something Ive noticed the more I play.

A low peril push, staggers enemies, a higher peril push knocks them over.

[haughty schooner]

we have anyone here who can confirm/deny?

big info if tru

[naive dawn]

So doing some fast testing in the meat grinder. More peril seems to effect the radius and range of the ult.

Standing in front of a bulwark at 0% peril doesnt move him at 100% staggers him backwards completely

[hexed inlet]

Lmao that is crazy

[naive dawn]

@haughty schooner https://gyazo.com/8d917f88e9b1ba7d4d91d5eee1be73a5 https://gyazo.com/e0a73d6a164e7195bc594515ecb7f58f

[ebon jolt]

Tox flamer resist could have been better but overall pretty nice.

[naive dawn]

Yeh lotta tier 4

[teal cloud]

very good to know

[naive dawn]

and for the Purg users the (Ascendant Blaze) ult goes through walls. So aiming in a general direction with high warp charges and high peril is a pretty much a room clear if you aim correctly.

[cyan notch]

yea normal ults too

ive saved teammates getting dogged through walls and elevation

[naive dawn]

Yeh, I just don't often recommend that cause It can agro ragers/gunners/reapers through walls. But that is a perfect use for it.

[haughty schooner]

wow awesome thank you!

[shadow wigeon]

thoughts on keeping unarmoured? I've been using it proc barrage on mobs with RMB but I don't know if it matters

[left briar]

Guess what boys? Excessive force?

[full kite]

new to psyker

wat are ocmbos for force sword?

[ebon jolt]

light -> heavy -> light -> push
light -> heavy -> push

[wet raven]

qq lmb qq lmb qq lmb :>

[full kite]

special good for elits?

[wet raven]

its what its made for

think of it like a shredder

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1057318707065524314/DT_SwitchAttack.mp4

[shadow wigeon]

Surgin not purgin

[ebon jolt]

Oh whoops.

[coarse ether]

does the trauma force staff blast attack have no critical chance?

[manic needle]

Wait, so let me get this straight.

All of the Psyker penance cosmetics - including the one you get for 90%'ing a Monstrosity with Brain Burst on Heresy+ difficulty - have mud and dirt caked on them.

Meanwhile, all of the Psyker cosmetics that you pay for are basically pristine.

[cyan notch]

you know how everyone talks about vets in their games can solo delete everything on screen with 100% aimbot accuracy

well i get this

[manic needle]

Just hafta be a god with Kinetic Barrage + Brain Burst

[wet raven]

LOL

[manic needle]

Never worry about bad Vets again

[cyan notch]

yea ill get right on that after mastering the skill of not getting instant killed by exploding barrel launching you 500m to your death

[manic needle]

I see a simple solution - Psyker Jump Packs

[jovial frigate]

i hit barrels as i walk past them

[copper raft]

is it bad that i find it hilarious when the player characters screams when they're flying off due to a barrel exploding?

[cyan notch]

no its pretty funny

[hardy garnet]

What feats are worth running?

[manic needle]

Quietude, Kinetic Deflector, Psychic Communion, and Kinetic Barrage are all fantastic

[lucid terrace]

I think Mind in Motion is nice :)

[hardy garnet]

So why quietude over warp absorption? Also is wrack and ruin really worth using over tranquility?

And does psykinetics aura activate if a teammate kills an elite or is it if you kill an elite?

[cyan notch]

you kill elite = you + everyone in coherency gets cd

[shut oak]

All the penance and lvl gear shows wear and tear. it most noticeable on vets the first armor you get looks near new after you get the final penance chest with all the ammo and stuff its worn and used.

[manic needle]

Quietude is a nice all rounder that lets you play defensively with quelling + your F ability. Warp Absorption can be good with the right staff. It's not bad on Voidstrike for example

[shadow wigeon]

There are a few different psyker builds. I like essence harvest or warp absorption for Purg staff, and quietitude for surge because I passively quelling a lot more.

[shut oak]

I run WA on void and Quiet on surge

but I also run mind in motion so I active quel allways

[hardy garnet]

I’ve been using purg the most because the primary isn’t a little ball lmao

[shadow wigeon]

Kinetic Deflection is just so strong, and I only active quell if I have FS really.

[hardy garnet]

Is “fs” force sword?

[shut oak]

it might be but I just cant get used to not moving at normal speed and quelling

@shadow wigeon

[manic needle]

Wait people use Mind In Motion?

I thought everyone just staff quelled or passive quelled

[shadow wigeon]

Yes. If you use one, you want Deflection.

[shadow wigeon]

I just never actively quell, occasionally with FS.

or it’s so rare the moving doesn’t matter much.

[manic needle]

Mind In Motion seems like a wasted feat to me on most builds, since staffs basically have it built in

Or if youre not using a staff then passive quell just kicks in when youre shooting

[shadow wigeon]

Kinetic Deflection is insanely strong, too

Almost broken TBH

[manic needle]

Yeah and its a shame to miss out n it

once I switched to it, I never switched back

[shadow wigeon]

Infinite push block, tank demon hosts…

[shut oak]

I find I rarely need to block so much that I need the extra and the mobility from mind keeps me with the party at all times.

[manic needle]

If they wanted to make Mind In Motion competetive, theyd have to give you full sprint while quelling or something lol. Even then it would probably need something extra

[manic needle]

Blocking automatically kicks in when rescuing someone. With Kinetic Deflection you become a better rescuer than Ogryn.

Plus, on higher difficulties its nice having that extra protection against ranged with FS + Deflector perk

[lethal lagoon]

@shut oak Being able to rez your teammates in bad situations and in general block infinite amounts is so OP that taking anything else is just objectively wrong.

The feat is honestly stupid, because picking anything else makes 0 sense. it should be a default psyker trait

[shut oak]

you want to come play my game for me?

[lethal lagoon]

Lmao, salty.

[shut oak]

you saying that someone "must" play this way is salty

[lethal lagoon]

I mean a lvl 30 character can use a 200 rating weapon. That is possible. So I guess you have a point? That's basically what you are suggesting.

[manic needle]

You dont have to its just a very big wasted opportunity and waste of potential for the class

[shadow wigeon]

@shut oak what weapon/staff combo?

[shut oak]

depends on what I am doing, void for pug 4s, surg for 5s

I have a nice purg but I dont really like how it plays

[lethal lagoon]

Purg is kind of boring. And way too bright.

[full kite]

so how is force sword vs dueling sword

[lethal lagoon]

Dueling sword move tech got nerfed, so it's Force sword vs Dagger now

[full kite]

for like hordes

[lethal lagoon]

Force sword is great for pugs and rezzing teammates. Dagger has good mobility advantage and the block attack is great

[full kite]

cause I know dagger is shit in hordes

im new to psyker

[manic needle]

Both weapons arent great for cleaving

[full kite]

mm

[lethal lagoon]

A bleed dagger is great at hordes

Force sword is arguably one of the worst horde weapons in the game

[full kite]

I would not say bleed dagger is good at hordes either

even with zealot crit build it sucks

oh well guess it's just staff vs horde right?

[manic needle]

If youre looking for a weapon with good horde clear, I always peddle the Mk. 5 Combat Axe

Give the push/counterattack a try

[full kite]

hmm so it sounds like force sword has a lot of utility going for it

but dueling sword kinda meh?

[lethal lagoon]

Nah, dueling sword is still good, just not BIS anymore

Honestly, it's just personal preference, cause your melee weapon isn't that important on psyker.

Force sword with deflector and being able to rez your teammates in ranged fire is pretty nice for pubs though

[full kite]

sounds good, ty!

[lethal lagoon]

dueling sword can also still kill mutants in 6 or so swings, if you hit the weak spot. Which, with how fast it is, is pretty great.

in reference to t5

[jovial frigate]

what blessings do you even want on duel sword

[lethal lagoon]

Depends on your staff.

Obviously you don't want horde clearing blessings if you are using purg

[spiral remnant]

YEEESSS

[severe dove]

Should i just preemptively upgrade a trauma staff for when the eventually fix it

[spiral remnant]

finally

2nd 380

[severe dove]

It's the coolest one to me

[lethal lagoon]

Trauma is really strong now, it's just a bit hard to use

So most people miss out on it.

[manic needle]

Trauma Staff is okay now if youre good with movement tech

[severe dove]

I am

[manic needle]

Get your Trauma game on then, brother

Be the staff user you were meant to be

[severe dove]

Trauma staff seems like the staff a inquisitorial psyker would use

[lethal lagoon]

Killing ranged enemies behind cover with it is just so nice.

[manic needle]

The trick, as far as I can tell, is peril juggling for optimal staff spam

[severe dove]

It just uses such a comical amount of peril

[lethal lagoon]

You get used to it. You also learn the breakpoints for smaller spams.

Like 2 shotting a ranged unit with a real quick spam.

[hardy garnet]

Tbh I feel like I spend more time quelling than I do using my space magic

[manic needle]

Ehh but thanks to peril buffers its not that bad

just look at how you can spam BB still

[hardy garnet]

So like, if you’re under 100% you can use bb and not explode right?

Or do I have to be sub 90

[manic needle]

97%

[lethal lagoon]

You definitely need 70+ quell speed and warp resist though, or it'll be a bit annoying to use trauma.

[idle shuttle]

veteran chat has anime girls

why dont we

[manic needle]

Brain burst to 100% -> quell down to 97% -> execute your next brain burst -> quell again, ad nauseum

[idle shuttle]

the precious

[idle shuttle]

this is why i changed to ogryn recently

i was tired of that

well, same with any staff

live to 97

[manic needle]

Its pretty niche use for me, at least as far as Brain burst goes

[hardy garnet]

Bro same 😭

[lethal lagoon]

Just for monsters and when you team is hopelessly pinned by way too much ranged is BB spam going to be a thing outside of using the lvl 30 perk.

[idle shuttle]

the lvl 30 perk aside from the penance isnt good

[manic needle]

If youre doing Damnation or high intensity Heresy then you'll use that trick at least a few times per match, but its not like a core part of my gameplay or anything

[idle shuttle]

to spam bb

[lethal lagoon]

When a shotgun elite horde spawns on t5, it's pretty great.

[manic needle]

Lmao what? Kinetic Barrage is fantastic

[lethal lagoon]

Indeed

[manic needle]

Frankly I try not to BB without it unless I absolutely have to

[idle shuttle]

in a specific moment it is

to be able to change 7 BBs

[lethal lagoon]

Same. It's up enough anyways with the 15% reduce cooldown on elite kill anyways

[manic needle]

In Darktide there are a lot of those specific moments, especially on higher difficulties

[lethal lagoon]

Being able to one shot gunners, shotgun, snipers, with KB BB is crazy good on t5.

[idle shuttle]

I think theres more horde overwhelming moments than you being able to 1shot BB things

that have been whittled down enough

[lethal lagoon]

That's what the staff is for

[manic needle]

Horde isnt generally an issue, its the pressure that hordes exert which make you more likely to die to elites/specials imo

[idle shuttle]

maybe im wrong but it feels like you cant 1shot BB anything? the team has had to have been working on it

[manic needle]

And the sooner you deal with specials the sooner you get back to horde clear

[idle shuttle]

you took the latter 30%

[lethal lagoon]

Shotgun, gunner, trapper all 1 shot.

[manic needle]

Bombers too

[lethal lagoon]

Taking out shotgunners instantly with an F - knock down - BB is literally team saving.

They shred on t5

Grabbing bombers as they run around corners is huge too

plus snipers across the map

[manic needle]

And being able to dodge in and out of cover for all of those guys is nice

[idle shuttle]

for sure if peeople hopefullt spot

aside from ourselves potting

targetting

[lethal lagoon]

Not sure what to say to that except have better eyes? I dunno.

[cyan notch]

shotgunners
gunners
trappers
snipers
bombers

[idle shuttle]

then I have ogryn ptsd

and they arent dieng

with 2 BBs

[lethal lagoon]

You stun them for your team/lower shield

Don't be obessed with that little text box in the top left corner lmao

[idle shuttle]

i didnt even know that existed

for the longest time

[manic needle]

But how else am I supposed to show everyone how cool I am? D:

[cyan notch]

by your cosmetics and frames

[idle shuttle]

we need a leader board at the end of a match

for penis compare

im a grower not a shower

[manic needle]

Me when I wear the Psyker Clown Suit and Toilet Bowl Helm from the cash shop: 😎 😎 😎

[lethal lagoon]

Mad scientist hair, obviously.

[manic needle]

D R I P

[idle shuttle]

i just want another psyker class

thats not psykenetic skinny jeans

[lethal lagoon]

Heresy.

[sturdy radish]

what perks (not blessings) am i looking for in Blaze force sword?

[lucid terrace]

purp or blueb?

[haughty schooner]

well guess im goin gun psyker, the shop has spoken

[haughty schooner]

my vote is purp

[lucid terrace]

Blocked.

There was no democracy.

[haughty schooner]

lol

[naive dawn]

@lucid terrace if you can wait till a mk 5 DS to upgrade, the dodge difference is massive between 1-4 and 5

[alpine portal]

If it had deflector get block. Damage vs flack seems popular generally. But maybe ask again in the morning?

[lucid terrace]

There's a mark 5?

[naive dawn]

Yeh MK 5 DS has I believe 15% dodge, compared to i think 6% on all the rest

and it has a different light attack combo

[lucid terrace]

Huh

You're right.

[cyan notch]

mk2 and 4 have cleave stats and heavy stabs while mk 5 has heavy overheads and more dodge distance

[lucid terrace]

You mean... no more fun stabs?

[lethal lagoon]

It has been confirmed that max stamina improves the peril cost of the blocking feat. So for Deflector Force Sword + 1 Stamina is BIS

[solar fossil]

could someone send me a screenshot of each staff with op stats so i know what to look for

[manic needle]

Some people think my Voidstrike is pretty decent so I guess I could link mine again

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1032844566971297833/1056302966035992586/Voidstrike.png

[lethal lagoon]

That might be the only way voidstrike is viable on t5. If it's literally bugged at 385.

that's nasty

The emperor loves you

[manic needle]

I wish, he gives me nothing but autoguns and tactical axes lol

I found that in the armoury as a profane 380

[solar fossil]

what staffs are viable on t5

[lethal lagoon]

Literally everything but voidstrike

[solar fossil]

whatt

what about trauma force

i thought void strike was better then trauma force

[lethal lagoon]

Trauma's kind of crazy once you get it working right.

[solar fossil]

it always seemed good to me but it gets alot of hate and i dont know why

im only rank 18 though so i just didnt question it

[lethal lagoon]

Because pre-meta trauma is ass

[solar fossil]

it got buffed?

or

wdym

[lethal lagoon]

No, it just works better with max stats

[solar fossil]

ah

i see

[manic needle]

Psyker? Get buffed? wew lad

The only buffs Psyker gets are VFX buffs

[solar fossil]

how do i use surge right

[shadow grove]

Psyk got nerfed

[solar fossil]

just crowd control right?

[lethal lagoon]

My three current BIS. The Emperor is not a fan of me nor Plasteel.

[manic needle]

Time your stuns well on elites and specials, and take out scab shooters behind cover

[lethal lagoon]

My surge shreds pretty well. But generally you wanna focus on supporting your teammates with surge.

Stunning ranged too

[manic needle]

Nothing more annoying than a surge staffer who stuns Mutants around corners, then lets them hit you as soon as you go to get line of sight on em

Timing is key

[lethal lagoon]

Lmao

You ever stun a dog mid-leap towards you, only for it to somehow land on a teammate in front of you? That makes me giggle

[cyan notch]

i use void a lot in t5 works fine clears hordes stuns elites

[manic needle]

I havent had problems with Void but then again I didnt use one in 5's until I had a high tier one.

As for dogs, my favorite thing is when you stun them and then they 720 noscope someone.

[solar fossil]

im so bad with the fire staff

[lethal lagoon]

I mean if I had your luck, I'd probably main void just out of respect.

[manic needle]

Yeah I was vibing with Surge until I got it

[lethal lagoon]

The craziest is part is even the dump stat for Void, warp resist, is low too

[manic needle]

See if you can get one with Focused Channeling while you learn it better

[lethal lagoon]

like wtf is that luck.

[cyan notch]

warp res and charge rate dont do much

[idle shuttle]

i think to learn psych you have to drop surge

[lethal lagoon]

Strong disagree on charge rate, just think about how much faster BB feels with the 25% from kinetic barrage? Yeah, in pure seconds charge rate % on staffs is weak. Gotta think % faster though

[cyan notch]

0.30s from min to max

[lethal lagoon]

That's about 16% faster.

Kind of huge

So 5-10% in practice

That's not minimal at all

[solar fossil]

I really want to learn surge staff since it looks so cool but it seems like the hardest one to use

[fast swan]

naw surge staff is ez

[lethal lagoon]

Surge staff is the easiest to use.

[fast swan]

just spam

[solar fossil]

wait what

[lethal lagoon]

It's braindead, hence people stopped using it

[solar fossil]

i thought you had to time it

[manic needle]

My dude Surge is roflspam

[fast swan]

void is the coolest and probs the hardest

[solar fossil]

wtf

[cyan notch]

kinetic barrage is like 100% faster btw

[solar fossil]

void seemed so easyt

[fast swan]

well trauma is hard but really sucks

[cyan notch]

so 16% aint doing shit

[idle shuttle]

i wish i could quote myself. drop surge staff to learn to play this class

surge made me want to quit this game

no aim

no think

[fast swan]

please god buff the hell out of trauma staff and give us force greatsword

[idle shuttle]

bzzzzz 97

[lethal lagoon]

@cyan notch It's in the tooltip, its 25%...It feels a lot faster, but it's really not

As I said, 16% is huge.

[idle shuttle]

bzz 97, quell, bzzz, antax blockpush bzzzz F bzzzz

[fast swan]

also they should make one of the perks do a think where for each enemy we kill in melee our next brian burst is X% faster to encourage melee and brainburst combos

[solar fossil]

so surge is the easiest?

[fast swan]

yes

[manic needle]

Yeah

[cyan notch]

i know what the tooltip says. its about 100% faster go test it cause i have

you cant just say 16% is huge with no relative comparison

0.01s compared to 0.02s is a 100% increase

[idle shuttle]

what do yall use as melee for now

[cyan notch]

does that make it HUGE

[solar fossil]

is force sword bad?

[fast swan]

force sword with block trait

[solar fossil]

yeah okay

[lethal lagoon]

@cyan notch When you use it hundreds of times that obviously adds up

[solar fossil]

thats what i use too

[manic needle]

Force Sword is bad with Surge Staff, but I really like it for Voidstrike.

[idle shuttle]

a deflector force sword? i find it totally worse than an antax with brutal momentum

in an "i need to quell" situation

[compact cargo]

force sword is bad outside of deflector builds compared to caxe

[idle shuttle]

a deflector build being what

youre tanking for the team

?

[compact cargo]

a res build with peril block to revive while under fire

[idle shuttle]

i peril block with my antax

[fast swan]

yo is essence harvest good if you have kinetic flayer and psycich communion?

[compact cargo]

so do I

[fast swan]

seems like free toughness 24/7

[compact cargo]

psychic communion over elite kill ult

[desert lance]

Do block efficiency stats work with peril blocking?

[compact cargo]

yep

[cyan notch]

up to you but your "it feels faster even though its 25% therefore 16% should do too" point doesnt really stand since its 100% faster

[idle shuttle]

the FS quell is so low

passive too

that you may as well

quell the staff

is what I feel

[lethal lagoon]

@cyan notch I don't know how you timed it, but I'm getting between 25-30% for kinetic barrage.

[orchid nest]

keep in mind that is showing up to 100%. it's 0.03s per 10% so a dump of 20% on the bar or something won't matter

[idle shuttle]

what

[cyan notch]

time taken to fill the bar

[lethal lagoon]

I do time to bb

Mouse click - start time, BB sound effect - end time

I'm getting ~25%~ pretty consistently

[cyan notch]

that doesnt make sense it only affects charging time

[lethal lagoon]

What is that even supposed to mean?

[cyan notch]

why would you time anything other than charging time

[lethal lagoon]

what is "charging time"

[cyan notch]

time taken to fill the bar

[lethal lagoon]

You are relying on your eyes to see when it fills?

Left click to BB activate is the actual time.

[cyan notch]

but thats not what the feat does

the feat reduces charging time

[lethal lagoon]

Yes...

The charging time from left click to BB activate

it's about 25%.

[cyan notch]

no its not

[lethal lagoon]

Your name makes me think you are trolling, I've timed it pretty accurately at this point.

[cyan notch]

charging time is from bar empty to bar full

[lethal lagoon]

That's relying on your crappy human eyesight, you aren't going to get any sort of accurate time.

[cyan notch]

no?

u know there technology that lets you view things frame by frame right

[lethal lagoon]

Still not going to be accurate.

You have no trigger for when the bar is full other than the BB going off

[cyan notch]

idk how about seeing the bar full

[lethal lagoon]

From Left click to BB activate, it's 25% faster. That's all that matters.

So agree to disagree, whatever.

[compact cargo]

Remember the psykanium is fully user generated, numbers obtained from it may be better or worse than on a server.

Testing BB timings there some people had 3.4 seconds while others had 2.3

[cyan notch]

point is 0.30s is nothing

[lethal lagoon]

.30s times the hundreds of times you will use the staff?

[compact cargo]

300ms is quite noticeable

[lethal lagoon]

I really hope to never queue with someone like you, this is the silliest conversation I've had all year.

[cyan notch]

thats from min to max

[lethal lagoon]

So it's about half of that in practice, which is still huge over the course of an entire level

[cyan notch]

most of the time youre comparing an even smaller difference from like 40-70% rolls

[compact cargo]

4 casts at 300ms less is a full second shaved off on 4 casts.

[lethal lagoon]

So 8 casts then if it's 40% versus 70, probably

[cyan notch]

irrelevant nor do i care

[lethal lagoon]

Care enough to reply lmao

[cyan notch]

once to let you know

[lethal lagoon]

^ twice, no?

[cyan notch]

if 0.1s charge time is a huge difference to you go for it

its absolutely nothing to me

[haughty schooner]

struggling to use purgatus staff well, i keep having preachers with flame throwers or other psykers with it in game, whereas surge just feels so unique n theres rarely overlap

we just have no way to deal with ranged enemies lol

just unlucky group comps i guess

[cyan notch]

you just gotta bb a lot

[lethal lagoon]

Yeah, kind of have to get dangerously close to stun ranged for your team

[compact cargo]

Left click on staff applies suppression hard, if you fight scans use that

scabs*

[cyan notch]

youd have to get close

pretty pathetic range

[manic needle]

The hard part is getting close enough to those ranged on higher difficulties

[compact cargo]

left click on surge hss infinite range wot

[lethal lagoon]

Surge is unique atm cause a lot of people changed staves after the graphical bug

[manic needle]

Can be doable but other times youll get torn apart if you try, and are stuck BB spamming

[cyan notch]

hes talking about purg

[haughty schooner]

ya we were just spamming BB, taking forever to clear rooms

[orchid nest]

Yeah I have the same problem. Purg is great, get tons of overlap using it. I switch between it and surge but it's rarely a prob for surge now

[lethal lagoon]

Need a purg with 80% cloud radius.

I don't think there's a lot of overlap, because a flamethrower Zealot is ammo hungry.

Purg is infinite

[compact cargo]

"Wheres surge just feels so unique n there's rarely overlap, we just have no way to feal with ranged enemies lol"

Not Purg

[haughty schooner]

if you have a zealot with flamer and a vet with MK XII in grp, ammo is never an issue

[cyan notch]

why dont u ask him if he was talking about no range for purg or surge

[orchid nest]

I mean role overlap not actual in game performance or whatever

[cyan notch]

cuz its pretty obvious

[potent echo]

Ascendant 👏 blaze 👏

[compact cargo]

🤮

[haughty schooner]

i was sayin flamer staff has low range

[potent echo]

Y'all struggling with ranged shooters I press F and we can go to the next room

[cyan notch]

@compact cargo see

[proven cipher]

Low range but wide AOE

That's the trade off

[compact cargo]

then wording was wrong, last staff they mentioned was surge

[potent echo]

Aoe isn't wide actually

[proven cipher]

Wide enough

[haughty schooner]

no i used the wording correctly

[proven cipher]

You can take one 10s of targets

[haughty schooner]

just re read it

[cyan notch]

no the context is there if you had reading comprehension

[compact cargo]

"Wheres surge just feels so unique n there's rarely overlap, we just have no way to feal with ranged enemies lol"

Not Purg

[lethal lagoon]

"we JUST" implies a counter point.

You just complimented surge, but never purg

So it has to be talking about surge.

That's how it goes.

So yes, the english was wrong if that's what you meant.

[compact cargo]

we just doesn't necesarily imply you are talking about purge here, which is why I suggested left click on surge

English been dumb with subject go brrr I guess

[lethal lagoon]

Wut?

[manic needle]

Ban English, standardize High Gothic

👏

[cyan notch]

this has to be the stupidest thing in this channel

[haughty schooner]

struggling to use purgatus staff well, i keep having preachers with flame throwers or other psykers with it in game, whereas surge just feels so unique n theres rarely overlap- this was sayin usin flamer is hard cuz of overlap, surge aka lightning is unique

we just have no way to deal with ranged enemies lol- this was referencing the game where we had 2 flame staffs n no ranged

just unlucky group comps i guess-this referenced the second section

[cyan notch]

its extremely obvious what he was saying

[compact cargo]

Now with a paragraph it's different.

[haughty schooner]

didnt mean for that to be such a hot debate lol

[compact cargo]

It absolutely isn't. We just can be used as a connector to keep talking about Surge.

[cyan notch]

thats what happens when you double down on a dumb subject instead of just saying oh yea my b

[compact cargo]

Got it, ran out of arguments

[haughty schooner]

but surge DOES also struggle with long range , though it has more leeway than purge does

enemies daisy chaining it through walls n up walkways

[compact cargo]

We are psykers, we will struggle no matter what

[haughty schooner]

tru

[cyan notch]

not even attempting to argue with you just pointing out the obvious to those with inference and reading comprehension skills

[haughty schooner]

ima prob just go back to surging unless i have a more coordinated comp for damnations

[compact cargo]

Yet you have to explain or provide a single argument to support your claim. Please go on with petty "skill issue"

[cyan notch]

problem with surge is that you cant really carry

with purg and say fs you can handle elites and hordes and with bb u can (slowly) take out ranged

[haughty schooner]

i feel even a mediocre vet can carry more easily though

so if i have even someone semi-competent, stunning for them helps more

[cyan notch]

for sure if you trust your randoms

[compact cargo]

Vet is is just overtuned as is, don't worry about doing worse than them

Even zealot and ogryn, better designed classes, struggle to outperform vets

[orchid nest]

I'm kind of on the side of surge being alright for pugs too. Most of the okish people you're worried about don't have a dps problem, they have a tunnel vision and taking damage problem

they never even notice how many things I stop from backstabbing them but it's whatever

[cyan notch]

thats what camo does to you

[orchid nest]

I do have more fun with purg lately though, I run it when my friends are on

[cyan notch]

3 guys standing in one spot shooting at targets far away while they dont hear specials behind them

[orchid nest]

yeah haha

[frigid marten]

A lot less: because left click is inaccurate but have good suppression and is cheap. A ducking scab ranger can save a lot of damage on the team.

[manic needle]

The problem is that people underutilize left click tbh

I missed my left click attack a LOT when I switched to Purgatus for a bit

[orchid nest]

yeah totally, surge with high crit especially has a good left click. can get it to 1 shot crit headshot the dregs too that really give you trouble

[cyan notch]

problem is getting it to hit

[orchid nest]

yeah the projectile behavior can be pretty tilting

[cyan notch]

so anyway i started blasting

if they sped it up it wouldnt be so bad

[ornate hamlet]

The staff left clicks would be a lot better if dregs and scabs could consistently be suppressed tbh

A lot of the time it just doesnt function the way it ought to according to the tutorial

[compact cargo]

don't suppress dregs, doesn't work

Altho didn't the devs say it's intended?

[frigid marten]

Stalker are the one i think

[manic needle]

Dregs secretly have space marine levels of fear suppression

[orchid nest]

They did I guess but hopefully even so they will just change it. they don't highlight for vets right? and surge already deals with scabs well. you're often just left with them pinging you and your suppression that should be good doesn't work, so you have to rely on crit headshot instead

[brazen basalt]

gentlemen, how does purgatus monstro damage compare to the flamer?

[orchid nest]

maybe I am thinking of the wrong one for the highlight though, I have no idea

[cyan notch]

bad but better than other staffs

[orchid nest]

in my experience a lot less but also feels like the only decent monster damage psyker is capable of especially stacking it with AB

[compact cargo]

forgot caxe

caxe is great damage per second

[orchid nest]

yeah but like beast of nurgle for example takes a lot less damage from melee attacks

[compact cargo]

specially with limb splitter and some cancel shenanigans

tell that to thunder hammer

still better than bb tol

[orchid nest]

thunder hammer has an extra huge multiplier to them which is why it works so well

like 5x or something

[compact cargo]

stacks on the zealot f too! If only psyker had funny synergies like that

[cyan notch]

ive had great success with kinetic overload but gotta get lucky with random stuff to pop

[orchid nest]

yeah I could see that. I guess I should amend what I said to soulblaze in general

[cyan notch]

and also you gotta be in range to get overload to proc

but its also the only way to contribute to monster dps if ur running surge or void otherwise ur kinda just stuck with bb or protect the dps duty

[orchid nest]

a bloodthirsty/blazing soul force sword probably good too as long as there is stuff to proc the bloodthirsty on. or a good starting point at least with the 10 stack cap

[cyan notch]

that would be pretty nuts actually

but no deflector

[orchid nest]

yeah 😦

[cyan notch]

hard tradeoffs

and getting that combo on a decent fs

[orchid nest]

yeah I would also like to test a high tier slaughterer and bloodthirsty force sword just for fun but it's impossible to get. even if the full crafting was in bloodthirsty is still near impossible to find anyways

[real fox]

hi! someone would be ok to help me / or that you do the penance with the psyker, "drop 20 enemies in the void in 2 seconds", I have a place at the very beginning of the logistratum map, there is often a horde at this place with a small bridge.
don't bother telling me to go to the channel, I don't have a microphone.

[cyan notch]

thats the problem you cant even experiment with different weapons/blessings

just gotta hope shop or melk magically gifts it to you

player agency my ass

[manic needle]

Fatshark does a little trolling

[ornate hamlet]

Love how any attempt at experimentation is punished by scarce resources and shop RNG, Fartshart truly delivered

[orchid nest]

yeah lol and bloodthirsty will only show from melk or upgrading. and even then, it doesn't just seem to be as rare as any t4 blessing, it seems to be extra rare

[ornate hamlet]

^Me being salty that I cant find a single decent fucking deflector sword in 100+ hours

[cyan notch]

oh hey guys!!! we released a new weapon for your class!!
oh cool that looks sick!! how do i get it?
hey u just gotta camp the shop and hope it sells it!!!

must have been fun for zealots and ogryns

[compact cargo]

hey guys we nerfed x stat on curios, gl finding a new weapon

or x perk nerfed

[manic needle]

I cant wait for Transfer Blessing to come out, only for it to replace one blessing only to lock in the other permanently

[orchid nest]

I hope not but I can also see them making the blessing combining for higher tier ones potentially much more grind than some may be expecting.

[manic needle]

p l a y e r a g e n c y

[compact cargo]

or lower the lvl

[cyan notch]

nono its MEANINGFUL CHOICES WITH STRATEGY AND GOALS (hope u get what u want from rng)

[manic needle]

Top tier gaming is when you optimize your logins to check the shop less times per day

[orchid nest]

yeah imagine you want to test bloodthirsty with different combinations with the other blessing also being tier 4. you have to take bloodthirsty off every time because of how rare it is, so you burn another t4 into dust every time you want to try something

[compact cargo]

there's a mod to avoid having to log in

[manic needle]

Yeah but thats only because we're improving the meta now

[orchid nest]

there is only 2 blues in my current shop after reset just now

[cyan notch]

the shop should sell every single type of weapon in your class with rng being the marks/versions and the rolls

and up to purple rarity at the very least

[compact cargo]

or we could request a badge of only x weapon

or pay for reroll shop

so we don't hoard ordo dockets

[oblique jasper]

Yall are sleeping on the voidstrike staff

[orchid nest]

they def nerfed the armoury blessings at some point

[manic needle]

Well yeah its almost bedtime

[errant prism]

@oblique jasper post urs btw i wanna copy that

that was so stupid lmfao

[oblique jasper]

sure just a sec

[errant prism]

i always assumed that blessing was a meme

[oblique jasper]

If i can get quell on headshot it would be so strong

I peril so hard with it

[cyan notch]

they also need you to get something from dismantling items

thats not stupid dockets

[oblique jasper]

low warp resistance 😂

[cyan notch]

upgrading something then replacing it only to have it be useless dockets is kinda lame

[manic needle]

Im thoroughly convinced that Warp flurry is a pretty good option for Voidstrike

[oblique jasper]

it somewhat worked thru a hi intens damnation

if i didnt have a knife it would have been better

I live for the meme tho

[orchid nest]

this. also materials from monsters. and sackrat equivalent, I want to see people wipe trying to chase down some loot nurgling or something

[errant prism]

no it was actually super helpful lol

now roll quelling

mine rolled smoge ;-;

[worthy pulsar]

Hello! I have a question what best level for penance for psyker Going out with a bomb ?

[oblique jasper]

I love warp flurry tbh i don't know if have enough mats to gold it

let me check

Emperor guide my consecrations

[errant prism]

🙏🏻

[cyan notch]

there is a consistent strat but its at the end of the level hab dreyko right before you extract after killing the horde 3 ragers will appear over and over then u can blow yourself up there

[worthy pulsar]

what is Hab Dreyko ?

[ornate hamlet]

The investigation mission with the flesh tree

[worthy pulsar]

Thank you

[orchid nest]

does hab dreyko still lag a lot? I have been avoiding it cause it was pretty bad for me compared to other maps

[cyan notch]

yes

only at those specific multilevel places

[orchid nest]

damn

[cyan notch]

pretty annoying but only skips the first time you enter those areas per mission

so like 3-4 times every time u do it

[orchid nest]

it seems like an ok map to do malleus too tbh. not as easy as a daemonhost but the amount of times I would get a monster spawn at the trigger right by that first close med station

[cyan notch]

yea pretty close boss trigger

[frozen hearth]

how is this build so far? good to get an update

i use mkII dueling sword + flame staff

[gleaming belfry]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2909443112

[long osprey]

Is it worth it to have a max hp curio as psyker?

[vestal rose]

I finally found a 380, after 160 hours lmao

actually cursed

[cyan notch]

show us

[cyan notch]

got ratioed on the quell speed but still pretty good

[vestal rose]

I feel like quell speed is kinda eh as a stat
like the difference in actual speed between an 80% roll and a 60% roll isn't huge

[light citrus]

How about this?

[vestal rose]

also you've always got 6 warp charges with a purgatus if you take the perks, so you don't have to quell much at all

[raw breach]

Damn, never have I ever seen someone ask to try to get a penance when a perfect chance was in front of them, only to watch another Psyker sabotage them...

just did the strike with the big open room at the end with a ton of elites, I need pick n mix. I asked if i could try for it real quick and the group was like yeah sure, then the other psyker picks off a few elites with BB and I ended up with 4/5

[full kite]

how 2 surge staff

just spam it?

[long osprey]

I use it as an elite stun like a mutant, dog, burster and such

Cause you don’t have a lot of target that you can hit with it

Compare to purgatus

[cyan notch]

lmao

[full kite]

charge it or just spam?

[feral crater]

Ultspam aura so lame lol

[long osprey]

Charge it if you got time otherwise spam for stun

[manic glen]

Can i get a help for pick`n mix penance for my psyker ?

[haughty schooner]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/701311813647597639/1058678386710564864/image.png I do not like the scanning map

That was one rough damnation

[cyan notch]

u should see mine above lmao

[frigid marten]

High intensity?

[haughty schooner]

Is that the desert map with the spire you go up at the end?

[haughty schooner]

I can’t even remember my brains pretty fried. Should not do hard maps at 4am

Felt like it

We got 1/2 grimoires

[sour bison]

What is this?