psyker-class

[fossil snow]

let my explosion be usefull or let it summon a demon that fucking ganks a teamate, no in between fatshark, we aren't children!

[summer wind]

yeah

fatshark doesn't go hard enough

[fossil snow]

compromise is cowardice

[shut thorn]

I would love it if it spawned a daemonhost, and killing a teammate let you rez for free

[summer wind]

they never really have though

that would be hell

[shut thorn]

zealots would think twice about being assholes

[summer wind]

maybe make it spawn something small

or turn you into a daemonhost that just nopes outta there

i don't wanna actively kill team-mates lol

[shut thorn]

I do

[fossil snow]

its flavorfull too, because you're a psyker so you'd have an uneasy understanding with the team

wait shit

[summer wind]

not even just me, i don't want my psyker buddy to just ruin the run because they messed up

it'd be cool but you can make it cool in other ways

[fossil snow]

that WOULD be flavorful as shit actually

[summer wind]

that would just be horrible for everyone else

[shut thorn]

good

[summer wind]

bad

[shut thorn]

they're horrible to me when I play psyker

[summer wind]

3/4 players have a worse time

[shut thorn]

I'm the psyker jokre

[fossil snow]

Suffer, As I have suffered

[supple skiff]

balance vet by making psykers tk lol

[shut thorn]

They're even giving psyker a clown outfit..

[summer wind]

balance vet by nerfing power sword to an anti armor weapon instead of cleaving weapon, and get rid of the 100 extra toughness

(y'know, like tabletop power sword)

[fossil snow]

I just

[shut thorn]

Give force weapons tk ability

[fossil snow]

why powersword gun man and not sword man

[summer wind]

wym

[fossil snow]

OR power man

[shut thorn]

Grail knights can't be toxic in VT2 because they run the risk of a sienna just murdering them

[fossil snow]

why cant zealots have powerswords

or psykers

[summer wind]

because vet is the posterboy

[bleak tulip]

come to think of it, Im a little surprised they havent added friendly fire back in yet

[shut thorn]

they will

[summer wind]

and will always be the strongest class out of the first few

[deft oak]

There is No way this is real. Please tell me this is fake.

[fossil snow]

he is neither power, nor sword

[cyan notch]

cuz our ranged weapons are way too strong and have much higher uptime

[leaden nest]

there was?

So many ogryn dead

[shut thorn]

There is a named 2h power sword in the files, useable via lua injection right now

[bleak tulip]

pretty sure there was in the closed beta

[shut thorn]

It has a zealoty name

[bleak tulip]

they removed it for the preorder beta I wanna say

[summer wind]

yeah same

[fossil snow]

///////// /////////

[summer wind]

anyways, vet will always be the strongest because it's the starter class and the most easily accessable

it's the "normal" class

[bleak tulip]

wdym "starter"

[summer wind]

i'm pretty sure it's intentionally overtuned

[fossil snow]

Sol badguy?

[summer wind]

it's the most like other game's characters

basically, yes

[shut thorn]

Current psyker is hybrid

We get a cc monkey class

And a gun psyker class

[summer wind]

and BBQ

[supple skiff]

granted its not intended with skills

[fossil snow]

I just want more weird shit

[supple skiff]

but ive been playing mine like a front line brawler and its been fun

[fossil snow]

where's my force wall FS?

[bleak tulip]

these numbers seem very familiar, I wouldnt be surprised

[summer wind]

where's my pskyer melee weapons

we have one

[shut thorn]

U get telekine dome on cc monkey archetype spec

[supple skiff]

daemon hammer when

[summer wind]

i refuse to include the other melee weapons as psyker melee because they're just not

[alpine portal]

yah psyker is suprisingly tanky

[shut thorn]

go play zealot

[summer wind]

they don't interact with the class at all

they're just basic melee weapons from other classes

like guns

those aren't psyker weapons

you can use them, its viable, it's fine, but it's not a psyker weapon

[supple skiff]

if a zealot can use a force hammer he got some splaining to do

[shut thorn]

las pistol is psyker

[summer wind]

i want more psyker melee

[cyan notch]

whats a psyker weapon

[shut thorn]

zealot already uses force weapons

[summer wind]

technically, but it doesn't interact with the class

peril mechanics, staves, force weapons, that sorta thing

if you can't use peril i don't consider it a psyker weapon

[alpine portal]

knife melee should be the same as laz pistol

[summer wind]

it's just a weapon

[supple skiff]

explain

[shut thorn]

special attack push generates peril

[summer wind]

zealot has power weapons

[supple skiff]

cause power =/= force

[alpine portal]

so... heavy laz pistol

[summer wind]

does it have force abilites at all?

[bleak tulip]

probably internal damage type is force

[summer wind]

i didn't use it because why would i use a gun on the wizard class when i have a vet

[alpine portal]

yes it raises peril

[bleak tulip]

or whatever it would be called internally

[summer wind]

firing it does???

[shut thorn]

am I misremembering or is the crusher not a force weapon

[alpine portal]

alt fire

[supple skiff]

power weapon

[summer wind]

is it a push or smth

[shut thorn]

ah

well they get a power 2h

likely

[bleak tulip]

yeah you charge it like the hammer

[shut thorn]

cuz of the name of it

[summer wind]

in any case, it's not a melee

[supple skiff]

like i said if a zealot can use a force weapon that means they're a psyker too

[summer wind]

i want more than just a force sword

i've never liked 1h swords

they're lame

i want like, a hammer or something

[alpine portal]

this is correct

[supple skiff]

zealot closeted warp bae confirmed

[shut thorn]

there's references to a FGS in files and images

[bleak tulip]

maybe one day we actually get a force 2h though I dont know if thatll happen anytime soon

[summer wind]

i don't think i've seen a convincing image that wasn't just the heavy sword from zealot

[wet thorn]

I need a party to help me out with go out with a bang penance, please

[bleak tulip]

all we have is that image

[summer wind]

can you post it again if you have it?

[hot zephyr]

One nemesis daemon hammer please.

[shut thorn]

Covenant Mk VIII Blaze Force Greatsword

[alpine portal]

zelot needs a power sword, it fits so well in to there kit.

[summer wind]

what am i looking at

[summer wind]

yeah vet shouldn't have it for gameplay reasons imo

[shut thorn]

Devs hiding it as much as they can

It's the force greatsword

[bleak tulip]

Iwas about to say that

[copper raft]

i've met a single toxic psyker once

[summer wind]

power sword that vet gets should be an anti armor weapon, not the best cleave in the entire game

[copper raft]

WTF

[bleak tulip]

almsotr cant fuckin make out a sword there

[copper raft]

why did i respond to a message from 12 hours ago

[alpine portal]

it was me... im sorry I was hungry

[summer wind]

me when the ranged sniper class has the most toughness in the game, some of the best feats, and the best melee

[copper raft]

augh nvm.......

[shut thorn]

they're very likely getting one

it's animated and everything

fully works

has a zealoty name

[supple skiff]

vet was clearly designed first

[summer wind]

what's the name?

[summer wind]

yeah like i said it's always gonna be the strongest

[supple skiff]

and then they got halfway through zealot and run out of time

[summer wind]

it has to be on purpose

[shut thorn]

hmmmmmmm idk if a few dataminers would be upset if I said the name

[summer wind]

wha

[alpine portal]

as long as it has two wide heavy sweeps, and they swap the attacks on thammer life would be good

[summer wind]

why would they be upset

isn't that the entire point of datamining

sharing information

yeah that's zealot af

[shut thorn]

Some stuff shouldn't be shared

[summer wind]

i don't think i agree

when it comes to game stuff, i mean

had i known about the leaked cosmetics i wouldn't have dumped 20 into the ones we currently have

[bleak tulip]

like the names of items makes no sense to withhold

the netcode shit sure

[summer wind]

which, they could have just told us about

but chose not to so people like me spend more

[shut thorn]

Fyi most dataminers agreed not to leak them

[alpine portal]

no reason a vet needs to clear a room and chop a crusher in half...

[shut thorn]

Some asshole did

[cyan notch]

i know the name

[summer wind]

.. why datamine

[cyan notch]

its hugh janus

[summer wind]

if you aren't gonna leak it why would you datamine it

that's completely pointless

[shut thorn]

Some stuff is fine to leak, other isn't

[summer wind]

wha

[shut thorn]

If it impacts game revenue negatively, that means less development time, which means less content

[hybrid stump]

can someone help me with "going with a bang" Psyker penance 😦 ?Really hopeless for me... I don't wanna ruin anyone fun trying to do that

[summer wind]

if it stops people from getting scammed

fuckin' leak it

[bleak tulip]

there was or is some security shit in the leaks

is kind of why

[alpine portal]

this is logical actuall

[shut thorn]

It stops the company from making as much money that they could use to pay devs for a few more months

[shut thorn]

There's also this

[summer wind]

that's great, but like

anti consumer practices shouldn't be upheld

be it on purpose or not

[shut thorn]

How is it anti consumer

They're cosmetics

[summer wind]

i explained my reason already

[shut thorn]

You don't need to buy them

[bleak tulip]

inb4 "they lied" again

[summer wind]

it doesn't matter what they are, it's being sold in a shitty way

you put a price tag on it, you are expected to be decent about it

[shut thorn]

You literally cannot blame someone for buying something of your own free will

[summer wind]

you're right, you can't

[bleak tulip]

they removed the fomo timer and they already added a funbucks tier thats exactly the cost of a set

[cyan notch]

why does laspistol push only heavy staggers maniacs and light staggers the others

[summer wind]

you can blame the people who sell people things in a way to get every penny out of them when they've already bought the game

i love darktide, it's great

but that's really shitty

[shut thorn]

Too lazy to check code, it's probably due armor modifiers

[bleak tulip]

you can argue about the obfuscation all you want but that shit is unfortunately industry standard, you and others needed to get upset anbout that shit like 10 years ago and it mightve done something

[summer wind]

sadly i didn't know about it until a few years back

[copper raft]

we'd have monthly subscriptions instead

[bleak tulip]

we still do anyway

[summer wind]

i fucking hate the way things are sold these days

[shut thorn]

Hilarious that WoW also has a cosmetic shop at the same time

[bleak tulip]

theyre just selling shit for the monthly sub now

[cyan notch]

dreg rager flies on the ground from a 15m pistol push but scab rager shrugs it off

[shut thorn]

armor modifier

[sour bison]

so anti-consumer practises got normalized so its ok now?

[bleak tulip]

no its not "okay"

[cyan notch]

just amusing to see

[bleak tulip]

but it doesnt do anything to bitch about it anymore because publishers know tehy can get away with it

[sour bison]

stop saying its bad for ppl to be upset by it then

[bleak tulip]

no amount of raging is gonna change that

[shut thorn]

You are not forced to buy cosmetics

[bleak tulip]

im not saying that but okay

[copper raft]

imo should make the game f2p

[shut thorn]

There is no one telling you to buy cosmetics

[summer wind]

this is a pretty big part of the problem too

[ornate sand]

Does anyone know if the Brain Burst ability counts for the Serial Killer [Kill 20 consecutive enemies with headshots] penance (as in, is the Brain Burst a headshot)?

[summer wind]

it's not about what the product is

it doesn't matter if they're selling a game, cosmetics, dlc, whatever

[shut thorn]

yes

[sour bison]

my main consern that we have "coming soon" features on game release

[shut thorn]

atleast it did in all 3 betas

wait no

preorder

[summer wind]

that too

[shut thorn]

and just

release

[sour bison]

i dont even care about shop

[ornate sand]

Thank you!

[summer wind]

for me it's not any one thing

it's the multiple things at once

[cyan notch]

yea it does i did it couple days ago with bb

[bleak tulip]

lol thats kinda funny

[ebon jolt]

Yes. It does.

[bleak tulip]

I mean BB is basically just a weapon, purely code wise

and you hit the head

[shut thorn]

There has not been a single live service game released that doesn't have this

[summer wind]

yeah that's not a good thing chief

[shut thorn]

I still remember how fucked WoW release was

[ornate sand]

Thanks, everybody, for your responses. Sorry for diverting the conversation. Wishing everyone a great day. 🙏

[bleak tulip]

yeah its not a good thing, but its unfortunately pretty par for the course

yet here we all are

and bought it anyway

[summer wind]

it's because people are ok with it

including me, i shouldn't have bought the game lol

[bleak tulip]

yeah

[summer wind]

but i know for the future to never buy something until it's been out for a few days

darktide's gameplay is fun and i can appreciate that

and it's likely not fatshark's doing

the issues i mean

[copper raft]

eh

[cyan notch]

wdym

[copper raft]

it definitely is

[shut thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/arting-siamese-cat-gigachad-ambatukam-ambasing-gif-26293326

[summer wind]

the shop stuff

feels like a publisher thing

[bleak tulip]

you could have still refunded the game after release under grounds of the store page having stuff on it that wasnt in the game like the exact number of weapons etc, but you didnt

[leaden pier]

the first deflector sword ive seen in the shop

[bleak tulip]

most people didnt

[sour bison]

there is a difference between knowing that some features will come later and having 'coming soon' written actually in game

[cyan notch]

man the shop stuff is really not that important compared to the game issues

[summer wind]

nah, pre order beta

i assumed more was coming and it didn't

and that was past my refund time

[shut thorn]

The issues stem from covid complicating development and them starting to run out of money

[summer wind]

everyone's running out of money

not just the devs

[shut thorn]

Ok so like WoW raids in 2004

[bleak tulip]

legally steam cannot deny you a refund past 2 hours when certain criteria are met

its just their blanket policy

[summer wind]

oh huh

[cyan notch]

great if you just spam special

[frozen hearth]

psyker mod that replaces the bb sound effect with a vine boom

[summer wind]

taco bell

[leaden pier]

may i ask where this was stated?

[bleak tulip]

I used to get refunds by stating legal bullshit back when people said "steam doesnt do refunds"

[frozen hearth]

dong

[summer wind]

probably wasn't

but i can't be sure

it doesn't excuse anything, though

[shut thorn]

You use your brain

[bleak tulip]

go blame the publisher, not the devs then

[shut thorn]

Do you seriously expect fatshark to retain 200 employees off the emporium

[summer wind]

that's what i said yeah

[leaden pier]

damn gaslighting excuses for myself?

[summer wind]

it's likely the publisher doing the awful stuff

[bleak tulip]

theyre why this game got released late Q4 when the game wasnt done

[copper raft]

fatshark's the publisher to my knowledge

[bleak tulip]

because muh black zero

[summer wind]

james workshop

[copper raft]

who is james

james bond?

[shut thorn]

It's not gaslighting, stop being a zoomer. Do you seriously expect fatshark to retain 200 employees for 4 years off of the fucking emporium for vt2?

[summer wind]

it's a licensed game, and a lot of their shares are owned by other companies

[bleak tulip]

okay then exchange publisher with "shareholders" "IP owners" or whatever

[summer wind]

yeah that

fatshark is fine, they're cool (probably anyway)

[leaden pier]

i mean i was asking if they made a statement like that

[summer wind]

just mad about these practices being so normal

[shut thorn]

Why would they, ever

[bleak tulip]

someone made the dumb fucking decision to shit the game out on the last possible opportunity (Nov 30) to still get the profits into the fiscal quarter

[cyan notch]

darktide is self published yes

[leaden pier]

then why say it?

[bleak tulip]

because its likely true

[shut thorn]

What's the argument here

I don't get it

[frozen hearth]

i thought i saw a video saying tencent has a hand in things

[bleak tulip]

it stands to reason that the game had issues because of the reason every game that released lately has had issues

yknow

the global thing

[summer wind]

tldr: anti consumer practices are inexcusable regardless of the situation of the company doing them, and it's likely fatshark isn't exclusively to blame

that is my point goodbye

[shut thorn]

Tencent is likely the reason fatshark got enough money to start large scale marketing like they have

[leaden pier]

nah i was just asking if they made an official statement about whatever this guy was saying

[cyan notch]

look at the number of delayed games from covid its pretty cmmon

[old crystal]

How important is the "cloud radius" for the purgatus staff?

[summer wind]

very

i think it affects range too

[shut thorn]

Do you need a written statement from someone to tell you that staring at the fucking sun is bad for your eyes

[idle bay]

Holy God-Emperor on Terra! It's almost god-roll curio for me!

[summer wind]

chill dude, it's literally just a question

[ornate hamlet]

To add to this, can it be done on any difficulty? I ask mainly because Untouchable's description didnt mention it had to be done on Malice+

[shut thorn]

It's been questions like this with literally every interaction from this person

[leaden pier]

when you're speaking for a company who distributes products, yes you do

[cyan notch]

yea think i did it on uprising

[summer wind]

then don't answer them

[shut thorn]

So when you see a store is mostly empty, do you need the owner of the store to tell you that they're running low on money?

[ornate hamlet]

Awesome thanks

[shut thorn]

Calm down zoomer

[summer wind]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/698633802192388146/889619650739056660/admechloading.gif

[leaden nest]

Do you need a Snickers my guy?

[leaden pier]

i need them to tell my why it would be empty, for there are a plethora of reasons, such as supply sucks, which has a multitude of reasons for that

[ornate sand]

I must be doing something wrong wrong. I just killed at least 50 enemies consecutively with Brain Burst, and I didn't get the penance. Does anyone have any idea why?

[old crystal]

https://tenor.com/view/homer-gif-26329300

Too spicey in here

[shut thorn]

Dude whatever, you're impossible to talk to

[summer wind]

what pennance is it?

[bleak tulip]

what

[copper raft]

wat

[ornate sand]

Serial Killer [Kill 20 consecutive enemies with headshots]. I went onto a rank 1 mission and I just did nothing but burst heads since I last spoke in chat.

[leaden pier]

idk at this point

[left briar]

hmmm excessive force authorized ....

[summer wind]

maybe it was changed, i'm not sure

[bleak tulip]

you know you dont have to make up shit to further your point

trust me I know from experience

[long wharf]

what in shit eating hill is going on in here?

[shut thorn]

Might have been fixed, try using voidstrike through a horde and you should get it easy, aim like half a meter/yard above the head

[cyan notch]

its definitely not fixed i did it a couple days ago

[long wharf]

you have to kill 20 enemies with headshots in a row

I got it using BB

[summer wind]

try a higher difficulty, some have unlisted ones

try like, 3 maybe?

[fossil snow]

there HAS to be some way trauma doesnt suck right? like there is A fun trauma staff

[shut thorn]

Same but apparently it doesn't work or that guy

[ornate sand]

I will try this, and look over my perks.

[bleak tulip]

it doesnt give you anything so whatever I still dont have that achievement because I dont use guns and why BB 20 things in a row

[ornate sand]

what difficulty did you do it on?

[shut thorn]

Are you ONLY using BB until you get it or are you using other weapons inbetween?

[long wharf]

heresy

[summer wind]

i got it but i still don't know how

[cyan notch]

i think u get a charm for doing all penances in that category

[ornate sand]

I swap to my sword to vent peril.
I don't even swing with it, just vent peril. I have been dodging so much!

[long wharf]

when I was trying to do Pick n Mix

[summer wind]

i never even used brain burst when i did mine

i just ended up with it somehow

[bleak tulip]

alright so "nothing" gotcha

I am being facecious

but seriously why the fuck are shitty danglies a thing that every game does now

[shut thorn]

You need to BB exclusively, doing any other damage that doesn't hit heads cancels it out

[summer wind]

probably cuz it's easy

[ornate sand]

Does venting peril or Psykinetic's wrath do damage?

[summer wind]

physics engines and stuff

[bleak tulip]

I get that making a weapon charm is faster and cheaper than a weapon skin but come the fuck on, do people really like those?

[summer wind]

i like good ones

but most aren't good ones

[shut thorn]

Lol the OW2 ones where it just sticks out of a guy's hand

[bleak tulip]

I find em generally incredibly fucking stupid

[shut thorn]

wrath can do damage w/ a feat or if you toss people off the map

[cyan notch]

some of em are cool

[ornate sand]

Thank you for your insight everyone. I will now try again on Malice without swapping weapons and only using BB, not even using Wrath.
🤞

[shut thorn]

danglies in games are the equivalent of the stuff on baby cribs

Zoomers need them

[frozen hearth]

BBpilled

[copper raft]

😍

[frozen hearth]

based and bbpilled

[bleak tulip]

like, the only ones I found not entirely cringe were in hunt showdown and even there I dont use em

[shut thorn]

doesn't it state the difficulty you need to do it on

[hot field]

I still haven’t done go out with a bang

[shut thorn]

same energy

though actually

[elfin roost]

Hol up, gimme like 15 minutes

[shut thorn]

I use keychain accessories

[ornate sand]

It does not, but @summer wind suggested that it may be a factor, as some penances allegedly have unlisted difficulty requirements.

[shut thorn]

fuck..

[leaden pier]

rip

[shut thorn]

I can't believe I roasted myself

I use keychain plushies

https://tenor.com/view/wazowski-mike-mike-sulivan-meme-monster-inc-gif-19634164

[bleak tulip]

I mean your keychain at least isnt a lethal weapon

[leaden pier]

the omnisisiah's eye looks cool i think

[shut thorn]

Idk it has a lot of keys

[bleak tulip]

also putting it on the end of a fuckin knife is never not gonne be the stupidest application of I have ever seen

[shut thorn]

Goo goo gaa gaa

[ornate sand]

Looking at my perks, I had Kinetic Overload on. That might've done it...

[bleak tulip]

and thats counting rainbow six siege making dedicated sling mounts in the middle of a fucking receiver which are exclusively used for danglies

[shut thorn]

Pics?

[leaden pier]

lamo siege did that?

[shut thorn]

I only tried that game for a little while until I realized I can't do anything about the teenagers who spend far too much time playing fps games

😭

[shut thorn]

oh my god

[leaden pier]

damn

[bleak tulip]

because if there is one thing I need near my safety and trigger its some bullshit that dangles around and gets in the way

so tactical

[shut thorn]

ok this one is actually funny

[leaden pier]

tacticool as they say

[shut thorn]

crusty pic

[bleak tulip]

but yeah, its not even attached to a logical place

[bleak tulip]

its just a thing drilled into the receiver

[subtle linden]

Imagine if the irl soldiers had little dangly bits on their guns lol

[shut thorn]

I like that for that to be attached like that, there has to be a hole through the receiver

[shut thorn]

They do

[bleak tulip]

pretty sure in that picture that literally would interfere with the bolt

[shut thorn]

Well, they will*

[bleak tulip]

but ya know whatever

[shut thorn]

Optical cables for electronics

very comfortable I bet

[bleak tulip]

but yeah these danglies are what I think of when I see them in the list in darktide and I mentally blank that out as "cool this does nothing but make the funny number go up"

[ornate sand]

I GOT IT [Serial Killer Penance]! Thank you, everybody, for your help!

[shut thorn]

Gj

Now as compensation do 25 plasteel runs

[ornate sand]

I'll consider it, following an explanation as to what exactly that is...

[elfin roost]

Here, scuffed but here

[long wharf]

I love how it's literally hanging over the selector switch

[shut thorn]

lmao

[leaden pier]

lamo

[shut thorn]

don't do it, makes u hate the game

plasteel runs = speedrunning sedition/uprising maps

for plasteel

[alpine portal]

I just run scripture maps. people usually pick up every thing they see

[leaden pier]

huh the pox hound space program is still a thing

[hybrid stump]

what is the best map/difficulty for Going With A Bang Penance ?

[leaden pier]

any map and probably heresy since it's more likely you'll get 3 ragers on you

i suggest bringing a surge staff to soften them up a bit

[steel flame]

SURE WOULD BE NICE IF BB COULD ACTUALLY 1 SHOT ELITES IN HERESY, WOULDNT THAT BE NICE? I THINK IT WOULD BE NICE. MAYBE EVEN USEFUL. MAN HAVING PICK AND MIX ALREADY WOULD BE AWESOME

ahah, ha, hahah

[leaden pier]

i just warp battery & kinetic barrage and hope for the best

literally how i got it

[heavy wigeon]

Uhm actually if you want brain burst to be relevant as part of Psyker's toolkit then you're just bad at psyker.

Funny how people out there actually believe that.

[steel flame]

its funny how multiple feats in his tree center around bb and you believe it wasnt meant to be relevent in his toolkit

[cyan notch]

i think itd be way too good 1 shotting every elite and special

[steel flame]

i want it to at the very least

kill shotgunners and gunners on any dif

[cyan notch]

it does

[steel flame]

is that too much to ask?

[leaden pier]

i thick some specials it should always one shot

like bursters

[steel flame]

it does not kill karapace dreg gunners

why

[cyan notch]

huh?

it one shots gunners on damnation

[leaden pier]

dreg gunners dont have carapace

[steel flame]

the armored ones

anyway

[cyan notch]

reapers?

[ruby chasm]

It cant one shot dreg gunners on damnation

[leaden pier]

scab gunners?

[steel flame]

that

[ruby chasm]

You end up being like 20 dmg off

[leaden pier]

that's flak armor

[ornate hamlet]

What are good curios for psyker? Ive just assumed extra toughness and block efficiency, but other than that I have no damn clue

[ruby chasm]

nvm its 50 dmg that bb misses

[leaden pier]

one wound is good

[ruby chasm]

Dreg gunners have 1050 hp on damnation

[leaden pier]

either stack toughness or hp, it's up to preference

[steel flame]

bb just doesnt meet enough break points to be useful in high difficulties, and it ceases to be useful outsite pokeing at stuff

[cyan notch]

????/

it definitely can

[ruby chasm]

With warp charges probably

[cyan notch]

no

with nothing charges

[steel flame]

it can oneshot the unarmored gunners not the flack armored gunners

[ornate hamlet]

I want to enjoy Psyker more than I currently do but my weapon rolls are so god awful all the time 🥹

[ruby chasm]

I'm like 99% sure they have 50 hp too much?

[cyan notch]

why dont u guys go test it in meat grinder before saying this

or idk play damnation

[lusty wave]

Friendly reminder

Devils claw mk 1 or mk IV are good crowd control for psyker

More if you're running surge

[steel flame]

wait its the flack armored flamer it cant oneshot

[cyan notch]

yea but ur not suppsoed to 1 shot all elites and specials

[steel flame]

also the meatgrinder stats dont match up with the game sometimes

[ruby chasm]

huh nvm I was wrong

[cyan notch]

bb 1 shots on damnation:
gunners
shotgunners
trappers
bombers
snipers

[ruby chasm]

I guess it does 1050 dmg

[steel flame]

MAKE IT MORE

I WANT NUKES

[heavy wigeon]

I was saying the exact opposite and criticizing people who believe BB wasn't meant to be relevant in his toolkit.

[steel flame]

fair enough

[ruby chasm]

I just thought it did the exact same amount of damage to maniacs and unarmored but it does 1k to maniacs

[steel flame]

thats now how it sounded 😛

[ruby chasm]

so my bad

[cyan notch]

unlimited ammo infinite range 1 shots on everything would be pretty busted

[fierce hazel]

BB IS IRRELEVANT REEEEE. What other options do you have to litteraly hide around walls while still killing things

[ruby chasm]

Plus being able to pop stuff that's not in los anymore

[bold oracle]

Siblings! Looking to make a new psyker because I really want the one with the "FEAR ME! ... oops" voice line. Is that the loner or the seer? (currently have a savant)

[heavy wigeon]

My second message was "funny how people out there actually believe that". With 'that' being my first message.

[leaden pier]

seer

[steel flame]

i can bitch about it if i want when soldier man has a kill button that resets everytime he kills something

[fierce hazel]

Muh beloved

[stable bear]

hey sorry i cant figure out the search bar, but what is the tech to permatank a dh on psyker

[steel flame]

kinetic deflector and non force weapon

[ruby chasm]

Kinetic deflection and any non force sword melee afaik

[steel flame]

JINX

GIVE ME YOUR LUNCH MONEY

[cyan notch]

you still need to dodge left and right

cant just sit in the corner like shield ogryn

[steel flame]

with saber you can just sit there

[leaden pier]

so why not the force sword?

[steel flame]

force sword has manuel quell

[ruby chasm]

Passive quelling is too slow

[steel flame]

so its slow

[leaden pier]

ah i see

[cyan notch]

you def cant just sit afk

you gain more peril than losing

[lusty wave]

Tbh force sword sucks

[leaden pier]

it looks cool

[steel flame]

what drugs are you on

[leaden pier]

and that's all that matters to me

[lusty wave]

I don't care if it has deflection it doesn't so jack you're still getting shot from all directions

Also you can't see shit

[cyan notch]

its pretty good imo

good push good special good push attack

[lusty wave]

Kinetic deflection is literally just being a monotone support

[steel flame]

deflector is better with stamina block funny enough

[lusty wave]

Maybe I'm trash

But I have a deflection force sword

And I still get shot even tho I'm blocking

[cyan notch]

why

[hybrid stump]

wut

maybe u get shot from behind

O_O

[alpine portal]

drugs?

[lusty wave]

I thought deflection was 360

[steel flame]

with 4+ from relics it can absorb a shotgun without breaking on 5, and it lets you still spam special attacks

[hybrid stump]

no

[lusty wave]

I can't turn back on bullets?

[hybrid stump]

only in front of you

xD

[cyan notch]

unless youre ressing

[lusty wave]

Well that's dumb

[chilly cobalt]

Qeustion: does psykinetics wrath extend to the basic attacks or just the special attk

For force sword

[steel flame]

both

[hybrid stump]

you can tank even demon host & horde with deflection force sword

I tried xD

[ruby chasm]

You can but its really scuffed

[cyan notch]

yea ive kited demonhosts with fs too you just kinda need space to move

[ruby chasm]

^

[cyan notch]

if you find a little circle to go around then its easy

like a bench or something

[lusty wave]

Bruh tbh the peril block is enough to tank most shit

[hybrid stump]

the only thing suck with Psyker for me is it Peanace >"< Going with A Bang for example

I can't even doing it without my teammate suffering

[lusty wave]

@hybrid stump wanna help each other out

We can get a private lobby and just try

[hybrid stump]

okay

[lusty wave]

I need that penance too

[hybrid stump]

But I'm at work now :"D

[lusty wave]

Sucks bolz

[hybrid stump]

yep

[lusty wave]

Oh :')))

[hybrid stump]

it's haunting me

[lusty wave]

Dm your ign and I'll add you

[hybrid stump]

that penance

[lusty wave]

And you can dm whenever you're down to do it

I'm also an ogryn player so I can shield while you do it

[hybrid stump]

dm-ed u

[steel flame]

the thing with deflection sword is that its not gonna let you sit there and block everything, but it lets you stop chip damage, and move from cover to cover without getting murdered by ranged. On why stamina is better for deflector than kinetic. stamina recovers faster than peril so not getting shot for a second or so is enough time for stamina to come back up. peril block also overlaps into your resource pool for your staffs and bb so swapping back and forth and using your force sword special alot gets tricky

[hybrid stump]

"<

[cyan notch]

you can still use stamina to block with deflection

[steel flame]

yeah i know

you can still use peril block with deflector but using stamina is usually better

[cyan notch]

absolutely not

but hey if you think so go for it

[hybrid stump]

ummm why? I though Peril was better

[cyan notch]

how does being at max peril make your block break faster

if youre at max peril then youll just switch to stamina blocking which is the same as not using kinetic deflection

[steel flame]

ignore that im tripping over my own words here

im using stamina anyway since im at high peril all the time, so it might as well not be there

im tired, goonoight

[cyan notch]

i highly doubt you never block below 90% peril but sure if your highly specific playstyle works then go for it

but youll also lose out on being able to revive in the middle of hordes

[leaden pier]

i mean you just use stamina at high peril anyway

[ornate hamlet]

Anyone use the Psykinetic's Wrath feat and know how viable it actually is

Testing it in the Psykanium felt like it was hardly doing anything at all but actual gameplay can show otherwise

[ashen schooner]

anyone have a ss of the 3rd penance head cosmetic for the psyker?

[cyan notch]

gotta be more specific

[robust meteor]

red and black hood

with goggles

[ashen schooner]

hm thanks

[weary wasp]

It's bad

[robust meteor]

the mask is a part of it too

[weary wasp]

15% are just that, piled up with all the other damage buffs rather than being a final multiplier. So 15 at max are only "noticible" when no other damage buffs are present

[ashen schooner]

probably won't bother, makes things easier

[weary wasp]

There are better options

[blissful kestrel]

Should I blow 1500 melk bucks just to get T3 deflector on the assumption I could move it to a better force sword when re-bless is added? The sword it is currently on sucks, but I don't have a single deflector sword yet.

[fast swan]

whats the good map for knocking stuff of the map achievemnt?

[stuck basalt]

no, deflector tier 1 good enough

[cyan notch]

yea

[ashen schooner]

did mine on at the end of the smelter on, the end of vigil station oblivium(when you give them bad data) is good too

[fresh reef]

question for gunpsykers
how is this any more effective than just using void?

[weary wasp]

Void kinda sucks donkey butt vs elites and specials

[magic hull]

ur about to trigger alot of void staff lickers

[weary wasp]

It was my first main staff so might as well

[supple mulch]

how does right click benefit being charged vs not being charged on surge staff

[weary wasp]

Way more damage against armored heads on full charge

[supple mulch]

so it still stuns the same and all that other stuff

[weary wasp]

Yeh

Maybe more targets? Didn't test that part

[cyan notch]

same targets

just more damage

[fresh reef]

tyvm voidstrike

[shadow wigeon]

Are there any stats on quell times with different weapons? or is it just FS / others?

im getting 10s with non-FS (knife, axe), 30s with FS, 45s with staff

I love my Deflector but damn that auto quell is so fast

[proud mantle]

i bit the bullet and bought melk fs, what perk to reroll

both seem kinda bad, altho idk what unyielding enemies are

[ornate hamlet]

I forget, do the crushers count as unyielding? I know the other ogryns do (or at least thats what I keep hearing, considering there isnt really a glossary to go off of...)

[shadow wigeon]

Sorry crusher bulwark repear

[proud mantle]

oh thats kinda good then

[hot yew]

beasts of nurgle too

def lose sprint

[ornate hamlet]

Yeah in any case the sprint efficiency is better to reroll anyway

Incredibly solid FS there

[proud mantle]

yeah good all round, have some other but they either lack dmg or defense

what perk should i look for, block efficiency?

[shadow wigeon]

for walking down gunners

[proud mantle]

smh

[shadow wigeon]

I am torn about FS now, using it for so long I forgot how amazing the auto quell was on non FS

[proud mantle]

by the time i need to quell i usually have F so

and once u quell for a bit the auto quell on fs goes pretty quick

wait if reaper bulwark etc are unyielding then what are carapace armored

mauler?

[ornate hamlet]

Mauler and maybe? Probably? Crusher

Really dont know which takes priority for Crushers, being carapace armored or being an ogryn like the reaper and bulwark

[proud mantle]

so this wouldnt stack on them?

[ornate hamlet]

At least one of those would work on them lol

[proud mantle]

random article online but who actually knows lol

ill try meat grinder

both do stack

actually its hard to tell tbh

[fresh reef]

void users, can somebody post a clip of them saving themselves from getting pounced? I can do it with every staff except for void it seems and I'm certain it's skill issue

[shadow wigeon]

I would assume stack the way the game goes.

[bleak tulip]

why would you use your staff for it

its free with any melee

[bleak tulip]

crushers are carapace

all over

and those damage bonuses only apply to the core armor class of the enemy afaik

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1PtPcw4m4YtO_IcEkFlJJOBVWCYDEIeCKJRYLT4SmLc0/htmlview#

[weary wasp]

Whichever pops above head with damage is the one working

Mauler only wears carapace on head, and I'm pretty sure surge calculates only head hit

[bleak tulip]

surge uses base armor

[fast swan]

what feat loadout y'all use agian?

do y'all use psykinetics aura for tier 3 feats or something else?

[weary wasp]

Aura is great

[bleak tulip]

it saves you 4.5 seconds per elite kill

so depending on difficulty and skill level of your team it can range from being pretty good to being less good

also really comes down to if you need your ult up faster

psychic is nice for free charges so you have to BB less

and lacerations is okay against stuff you actually wanna BB like ogryn, or arguably bosses since BBing them is sadly one of the most efficient ways to do damage to them

[cerulean beacon]

which one do you reroll? the 8% crit damage?

[bleak tulip]

I basically just use communion

[bleak tulip]

yeah

[cerulean beacon]

thanks figured i would ask for confirmation!

[shut oak]

Soon brothers it will be over

Siblings

[cyan notch]

1315

thats a lot of penance points

[bleak tulip]

some people just like to see number go up

[shut oak]

I was more talking about life leech 5

[proud mantle]

man that blows

oh well reroll time again

also which is better from this, idk how important cloud radius is, but fukin run n gun for both is kinda 💀

[weary wasp]

Otherwise unarmored bonus would basically stack with everything but ogryn and maniac

Radius is also max distance from what I remember. Pretty important

[proud mantle]

ig ill wait for something better fukin run n gun man

[bleak tulip]

wise

people say its not entirely ass on purg but that just seems like copium to me ngl

[proud mantle]

its just

i mean it IS funny dont get me wrong

but knowing you could have not been interrupted or anything else really is disappointing

[weary wasp]

It's 41s millennium. The re-bless is still not out

[ornate hamlet]

anyone looking for some just started looking to join someone

[bleak tulip]

I'm honsetly curious what people will bitch about next when they add bless crafts

[celest hedge]

I think purge is the best staff for sprinting M1, not great but better

[weary wasp]

Chaos wastes

[proud mantle]

yea its the best on purg of the 4 staffs but

🗿

[celest hedge]

I had times where being able to do a quick speay when sprinting is nice but not enough for a blessing slot

[lavish mortar]

ive got a psyker at level 18 but its becoming a slog to play ngl

[bleak tulip]

like, I swear half the people here are spending time bitching about crafting not being done instead of doing something more worthy of their time
especially over the last two weeks its been extra stupid to complain about it, do they expect the devs to work through christmas or some shit

[celest hedge]

As fun as spamming light spray is

[lavish mortar]

should I get them to level 30 or switch to a different class?

[proud mantle]

if ur not enjoying it might as well swap

[lavish mortar]

Do you think they'll allow subclass switching

bc I really want to play an ogryn gunner

[proud mantle]

doubtful

[lavish mortar]

but otherwise would roll a vet

[proud mantle]

considering we have 5 slots

[bleak tulip]

considering there is only 5 slots right now I would hope so

[celest hedge]

Psyker really doesn’t get going until level 15, way later than every other class

[proud mantle]

5 slots implies they would want you to have dupes

cause like otherwise we'd just have 4

[lavish mortar]

idk, im just not enjoying keeping burst stacks going, and the purge staff is fun but not my playstyle really

[celest hedge]

And by then you unlock staves and there very little reason to not use on, so your loadout feels samey

[proud mantle]

actually

[celest hedge]

I’ve just been using purge and surge staff and exclusively since I unlocked them

[proud mantle]

it could go both ways, another reason is the character base traits like sex, height, voice

[celest hedge]

It’s fun but I don’t have as much variety as every other class

[bleak tulip]

I dont know why the slots exist but I seriously doubt theyll make you play for another 30 hours to play another subclass and roll new weapons all over

[weary wasp]

Lvl 25/30 is a game changer for psyker. Build is what gives psyker the most playability. I've tried a lot and I think current profession synergies the best with purgatus, while any other staff is just doing own thing independently

[celest hedge]

15 is a big power boost with access to communion, than 25 and 30 all have really nice effects

[weary wasp]

Sure, you can build for bb elite/special clear but it's also kind of a slog

[celest hedge]

Barrage helps Bb so much for killing gunners quickly on higher diff

[proud mantle]

also after bless crafts people will and are complaining about no shared currency and weapons, including me

[weary wasp]

Barrage + psy aura is a good combo for just deleting elites at no ammo cost

[celest hedge]

Communion changes the class so much

I think that the chance to get a warp charge on any kill should be base kit, and communion just gives it a chance to gain from teammates like normal

Every tier has good stuff related to having and gaining charges and without communion, you have to constantly be making sure that you’re remembering to burst trash just to make sure you’re maintaining stacks

[proud mantle]

imo this is the most comfy generic build, roast me

[celest hedge]

sure you have to do that sometimes regardless but it makes stacks so much easier to gain and maintain, which enables so many other feats

[hybrid stump]

• raise hand * what is the best blessing for flame staff

[celest hedge]

ascending blaze seems like an odd choice but that slaps

[proud mantle]

ability to horde clear on anything without worrying too much about it

[bleak tulip]

AB doesnt do fuck all with 4 stacks tho...

[celest hedge]

Focused channel is good, I like terrifying barrage, warp flurry is good if you get used to it and play around it, and extra crit is always good so warp nexus is nice

pretty much everything but run and gun is pretty good

[ornate hamlet]

It synergizes incredibly well with purgatus which shouldnt be surprising lol

[bleak tulip]

with 6 youre starting to see some damage, but its still kinda slow because dot ticks are rather slow

[bleak tulip]

yes and for purg its fine, but this is meant to be a generic build

[ornate hamlet]

Oh I missed the part about it being a general build

Yeah thats odd

[shadow wigeon]

I wouldn’t use it as generic

You’re losing charges and not getting much for them.

[celest hedge]

barrage is the better generic feat, though if you get lucky with communion or you can usually have a few free charges for quicken

[proud mantle]

gotcha

[celest hedge]

you can get in about 2-3 bursts before needing to vent thanks to tranquility but unless you save your ult for when you need it, you're not getting too much value out of quicken, and you usually don't need that emergency button too quickly unless you plan to spam your staff right away, but I feel like the value you lose from tranquility resetting is worth more than the value gained from having your ult back faster

[weary wasp]

Psy aura does all that quicken can but better

[tiny ivy]

what should I reroll perk-wise for block?

[celest hedge]

you're better off with psyk aura and barrage for spamming your ult, especially since a BB focus means you don't need communion as much, even if that chance for a stack on any kill enables tranquility to buff staves more

[weary wasp]

Maniac. Only applies to dogs, naked berserkers and trappers

Well and muties, I think

[celest hedge]

so many things would work better if most of the 30 feats didn't remove stacks and if communion wasn't so strong

[bleak tulip]

dogs are infected

[cyan notch]

dogs are infested

[weary wasp]

Eh

[weary wasp]

Or if charges weren't a chore

[bleak tulip]

dreg ragers, trappers, mutants and flamers are maniac, nothing else

[celest hedge]

make the 4% chance on any kill base kit and the other ones would be more solid choices I feel

[twin pond]

what is psykers best horde clear weapon? devils claw IV?

[celest hedge]

for sure the purge staff. for melee, devil claws are all around good, but dueling swords are good too, even if you don't have as much to buff it like saltz does in verm 2

since it pretty much is just the rapier from verm 2

[bleak tulip]

staves

you dont primarily melee hordes

[twin pond]

when im running surge staff, need something to deal with hordes

cause surge sucks for horde

[bleak tulip]

your team mates

tbh

[celest hedge]

a melee that's good for hordes is still nice when you can't afford to charge your staff, either because of overheat or because of no space or time to charge

[bleak tulip]

thats the big downside of surge, you suck at damage

its just that you dont get horde clear melee as psyker

[twin pond]

surges deals with everything but horde

[cyan notch]

devil's claw is fine

just use that

[bleak tulip]

just dont use IV

[twin pond]

shit man IV has my favorite attack pattern lol

[bleak tulip]

get a I and mash heavy

[celest hedge]

devil claw is solid and simple, but being able to pick up a tactical axe or dueling sword and having your horde clear option be good light attacks is good

with IV you should just be able to go light heavy light heavy over and over

[summer wind]

dpn'

don't clutch with surge

it's a purely support staff, save for the odd metal enemy

[celest hedge]

using surge into hordes is better than nothing but you're still overall just better switching ot melee

[summer wind]

it can work but dead enemies don't hit you

that's fair, yeah

[celest hedge]

in a narrow enough area surge can still be alright for breathing room but you can't compete with purge

[summer wind]

purge can solo hordes so easily

it's ridiculous

and the cost of using is it basically non existant

i've gone from 50% peril at horde start to like 20% at the end, constantly firing and never quelling or ulting

[celest hedge]

especially with tranquality and the chance to purge on kill

[summer wind]

6 charges constantly

[celest hedge]

it's the best way to see why communion is so strong

[weary wasp]

Mk v combat axe with brutal momentum push attack spam tbh

Unless staff

[bleak tulip]

oh yeah I guess you could become an axe mouthbreather

I forgot

[proud mantle]

this problem is why i resort to AB on my build lol

[bleak tulip]

yeah but AB with 4 charges isnt horde clear, its a button to turn a horde twinkly

[proud mantle]

its just without random BB its tough to get the 6 stacks in my experience

[celest hedge]

yeah, surge is easily the most unique in that regard, especially because mutants are fucking redicious

[weary wasp]

I like my force sword light to heavy cancel chain and 50 power stacks

[proud mantle]

unless im just bad

[celest hedge]

soulburn is nice for softening up a horde but it won't kill

[bleak tulip]

"softening up" the lowest HP enemies in the game is a pretty sad pedigree

[weary wasp]

Kills at 6, clears gunner rooms too

[celest hedge]

but it can bring stuff down enough that a good cleave weapon can kill more per swing since less damage is needed with the fall off from hitting 6 enemies at once

[bleak tulip]

yeah at 6, but it still does it rather slowly

[proud mantle]

didnt realize how slow soulburn was

[bleak tulip]

and with 6 youre missing out on the best charge generator unless you run purge

[proud mantle]

maybe my teammates are doing stuff then

[weary wasp]

But it's hard to maintain a 6 charge, tho you usually get it back after using ability

[bleak tulip]

try it out in the meat grinder

[celest hedge]

when you're hitting 10 enemies in a single swipe, you're not killing everything in that swing

[bleak tulip]

youll realize how bad dots in general are, but especially AB without also running purg

[celest hedge]

good switching between bursts and your staff getting lucky with communion can get you to 6 decently well with a nice chance to maintain it if communion is kind

[weary wasp]

Adding dots with purg is adifferance between 12 damage tics and 120

[bleak tulip]

communion isnt a nigh guarantee like flayer is the thing

[humble violet]

Staff counts as ranged kills for the weeklies right?

[celest hedge]

and AB adding a 10% chance to get a stack back from your general flame kills on top of the 4% from communion, but without double dipping I don't think it's worth

that is true sometimes communion can give you 3 in five seconds, sometimes you and your team can kill an oversize horde on heresy and get nothing

[bleak tulip]

AB seems to require mobs to die from the dot in actual missions unfortunately, and that brings you back to soulblaze being kinda bad

[celest hedge]

i'm pretty sure, BB should count too since I was able to get the final kill for the weekly with it

[proud mantle]

goddamn this is sad

[bleak tulip]

yeah

[celest hedge]

with a group, teammates attacking the horde tends to eat alot of those soulblaze kills, but that's also where communion comes in, and you're still killing a solid amount of enemies since you're hitting 30 of them at a time during a horde

[bleak tulip]

like, AB can technically kill shit with 6 charges but thats a lot of work for a very slow gunner nest clear

and with how fast hordes get shredded by everything else its not worth it for them either

[celest hedge]

I do appreciate how flames can soften up enemies when I play other classes, but I also play shield ogryn which does way less damage compared to all his other weapons

[bleak tulip]

only other class i play is zealot and either I wanna be the one flaming because its a better flamer than purg, generally or its just annoying

[proud mantle]

hows this for a generic build then

[bleak tulip]

soulblaze just means I cant see shit anymore in melee

[celest hedge]

I think your original version was better, just need to move SB to barrage

I think tier 2 and 3 need a change, but everything else is solid

[bleak tulip]

I run 221133 personally but quietude is more versatile on other staves than void

its just nice to be able to get basically all my toughness back with one good charged shot

[celest hedge]

it also fits into versatility since without communion, it's the only tier 5 talent that can apply to melee

instead of venting, just switch to melee and let the chance to vent on kill and passive venting give you toughness over time

with communion the toughness on warp charge gain can also work passively in melee and from teammates but that takes luck, and with deflection you always have a consistent source of peril for quietitude, even in melee

[balmy patrol]

so...

[bleak tulip]

with FS you already have theoretically infinite peril

[balmy patrol]

i just chop heads with this?

[bleak tulip]

yeah

which you should be doing anyway

with any melee

[balmy patrol]

i'd have to give up my super runner pokey stick, though

Hmmm.

[celest hedge]

it is a very pokey stick

[magic burrow]

purge also staggers, so its a good way to keep people alive in melee and not have them chewed up by some random leghumping poxwalker

[bleak tulip]

I mean I dont really get knife players but you do you

[balmy patrol]

not the knife

rapier V has both sprint speed and sprint stamina usage

[celest hedge]

yeah, purge stagger is no thing to sleep on, especially on the light attack

[bleak tulip]

well with rapier you should be used to clicking on heads at least

[celest hedge]

which is the only reason why sprint and shoot is the most useful on it, even if the fireball light attack on the other staff has more range

[olive ember]

FS you want slaughterer and deflector imo, if you want peril quelling just bring a non force weapon

and i didnt read any context so

kek

[balmy patrol]

using a force sword would force me to drop a lot of stamina efficiency... oh well

[bleak tulip]

FS really isnt any different from duelling sword other than the bad passive vent and better special

[balmy patrol]

movement is waaaaay slower

like, at least 50% total if you stack

[celest hedge]

you're better off always switching to staff to vent, but free venting on kill is not anything to sneeze at

[bleak tulip]

sure but you can infinitely dodge dance at sprint speed with FS

[balmy patrol]

duelling sword V with max mobility and defences + sprint efficiency

[bleak tulip]

its probably not that much slower overall

just more effort

[balmy patrol]

eh, you lose a lot of stamina regen/eff with that

[magic burrow]

FS is slow as fuuuuuck compared to the dueling sword and knife

[bleak tulip]

FS stam regen is still pretty fast because it has shit for stam

[celest hedge]

raiper/knife/tact axe have the best sprint of any melee weapon, enough to equal guns in most cases, other stuffcan't compete

and the same goes for dodging

[balmy patrol]

does anyone know the base sprint stamina usage?

[celest hedge]

it's super noticable how different the stamina and sprint speed is, and how it feels to use a weapon with a positive dodge distance modifer

[magic burrow]

I mean, if you use the voidstrike staff I'd imagine you'd want a weapon a bit better at dealing with up close stuff than the forcesword, but if you make it work then power to you I guess

[celest hedge]

it depends on the weapon

[balmy patrol]

what if its unstated

[proud mantle]

i like fs because of funny electric boom

[celest hedge]

its hows for every weapon if you look at the stats

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1055972010922086420/20221223141332_1.jpg

here, on the right

[bleak tulip]

I can empathize with wanting to go fast but FS dodge dancing is just kind of the safest movement tech in the game, and probably one of the faster ones at that

[balmy patrol]

ohhh

well silly me, i didnt look at the right panel

was trying to find it under the bars on the left

[celest hedge]

the mobility stat effects it in small bits but you have a general idea of it based ont he class of weapon

[bleak tulip]

yeah the mobility bars are also different for weapons too, FS has a lower range the mobility bar applies to than knife and duelling

so much so that I consider mobility on FS a safe dump stat

[celest hedge]

an envisarator and or hellbore gun don't have as good sprint speed or efficiency as a knife or autogun

even if you can get one with a better mobility stat than the other

[bleak tulip]

the dodge distance difference is pretty minor and you always have infinite dodge

[celest hedge]

it is but you feel the distance compared to -5% dodge distance to +5%

[bleak tulip]

its like one step or so, really not that big of a deal on FS

[celest hedge]

being able to pull off a nothing personal kid against a mauler with a single dodge feels nice

especially since we don't have a handmaiden equivalent with built in dodge distance bonus

[bleak tulip]

sure hope we get to switch both blessings for your sake

[weary wasp]

Kinda eh for 380. Warp resist is basically worthless

[bleak tulip]

its only missing 4% on damage stats wdym "eh"

like the perks arent ideal but still

[steel egret]

Could be worse.

[mortal pendant]

finally maxed lads

[weary wasp]

Well yeah, it's good, but replaceble

[cyan notch]

what other stats then

[weary wasp]

This one is pretty pog tho

[cyan notch]

its ok im using this rn

[weary wasp]

Imao damage>finesse>mobility and at least one good perk

[bleak tulip]

mobility
not mentioning first target

homie

[cyan notch]

i mean damage and first target are 2% off

lmao

[weary wasp]

First target doesn't scale that well

[bleak tulip]

mobility doesnt do basically anything on FS tho

[steel egret]

I would rather have the 70% mobility.

Or less ideally

[magic burrow]

518 rated dueling sword? Damn son. What's the rolls on that thing?

[weary wasp]

With infinite dodge it does plenty for your dodge pattern game, as long as you're willing to dodge in a direction of every attack

[weary wasp]

Or if you're not just spammming light

[magic burrow]

very nice

[mortal pendant]

its so good

crit machine

1 stun with surge and a couple of swings at a mutants head and its gone

damnation btw

[magic burrow]

mines kinda similar, just not as good rolls

[cyan notch]

40 mobility

its nice to have but i rather have damage and first target then finesse

[steel egret]

Oh no

[bleak tulip]

the difference between 40 and 80 mobility on FS is pretty small tbh

[weary wasp]

Finesse is weak spot and attack speed

[celest hedge]

you're probably better switching to ranged for sprinting in about all cases anyway, but that dodge distance still sucks a bit

[bleak tulip]

sure ideally you want it maxed but its whatever

I sprint with staff out because I have more stam with it

FS run speed is terrible even at 80 and it has no stam

so you just run out

[celest hedge]

I don't know about blaze sword since I don't use it but I think finesse is really important for all the weapons that do have it

[bleak tulip]

better off dodge dancing if youre not too lazy

[rocky cedar]

I miss duelling sword sprint when I don't run it, it's so nice

[celest hedge]

swing speed is always important, and weapons with it also enjoy crits alot, like knives or tact axes

[weary wasp]

Either way peril res is garbo since it only affects the special

[summer wind]

the special is the whole point of the weapon, along with deflector

if you aren't using those two things you're using another weapon

[weary wasp]

I don't see how gaining 2 more peril per charge is detrimental

[cyan notch]

either way everything over 70 cant complain much

[bleak tulip]

still better than mobility tbh

[summer wind]

more peril is bad, but i don't really know the numbers

[bleak tulip]

resist on FS isnt terrible, its just the less bad dump stat

[celest hedge]

the differences matters more when you're at level 15 or so but at level 30 with gear that you would be getting at that point, I don't think it's that big an issue

[weary wasp]

Edging is still a thing. You only blow up while using at 98-100 or just 100 from what I remember

[summer wind]

more peril means less using peril

using peril is what makes psyker good

[bleak tulip]

its a bit more than that

[summer wind]

so more peril bad

that's what i figure anyway

plus you gotta factor in having 4 / 6 stacks

assuming your build cares about getting stacks

[celest hedge]

even if you get a low roll on quell speed, a level 30 staff with below average quell speed is still way better than a level 15 staff with above average speed

[steel egret]

[weary wasp]

Also
Kills with force sword special should give warp charges because God damn it

[steel egret]

I could foresee a balancing issue, but I would be fine with that being a thing

[weary wasp]

Well at least elites/specials

[steel egret]

Sure that would be better.

Would be pretty cool if it always bursted the head of enemy you killed.

Maybe add VFX of glow coming from mouth and eyes

[cyan notch]

i just want them to change light 2 from an upswing into anything else

for a finesse weapon that is absolutely shit

waste of a move

[steel egret]

Dont we all

[bleak tulip]

kinda makes up for it by having one of the best light attacks with light 3 tho

but it sure would be nice

[weary wasp]

Also for some reason it's much worse with tracking the locked on enemy than chain weapons. If the enemy steps away a step or two, nothing happens. Meanwhile, eviscerator that bites into passing by mutant still kills it a second later, even if it runs off to the other planet

[weary wasp]

Just chain into heavy

[bleak tulip]

Ive had that happen less than 10 times in like 130 some hours of psyker tbh

[cyan notch]

well yea but sometimes u dont have time

2 lights faster

[weary wasp]

It's mostly a boss/DH problem

[bleak tulip]

I can maybe see it with slug but plague ogryn has been mostly fine for that for me too

DH I can see happening yeah, I dont tend to fight em much in melee, either im kiting, blocking or just BBing them because im lazy

or not fighting them at all because that fuckin vet pulled the second one in the same mission and I am done with it

lights out while doing malice for weeklies was a bit of a traumatic experience

[steel egret]

Yeah but he is doing a penance and needs some ammunation and ress.

[bleak tulip]

well if does then he should fuckin say it