psyker-class

[glacial abyss]

people rely too much on web site

[remote tusk]

12 on curios, 20 on weapon perks, and you can get 12 from deflector blessing

[glacial abyss]

use psyker mind instead

powers of the warp

[remote tusk]

sibling collective hive mind

[glacial abyss]

https://tenor.com/view/bruce-krause-gif-21966295

https://tenor.com/view/discord-discord-n-word-he-said-the-n-word-gif-24192898

nurgle

[buoyant mantle]

imo ability regen is not potent enough
12 %at max stack
who would use that lol

[jovial quail]

I completely agree lmao

Could get like +36% sprint effiency, 60% sniper/gunner resist and so many other valuable perks

[buoyant mantle]

at least make it 10 per stack

[covert valve]

Thank you! Exactly this there is a miniumal difference between quelling max and min quelling swapping to non force weapon has same/similar effect allowing you to actively attack with weapon instead of 5 seconds wasted quelling @dawn orchid

[buoyant mantle]

30 % is alot yeah, but thats three slot worth of damage reduction

[jovial quail]

My personal god roll would be 3x +12% sprint effiency/ 12% Stamina regen and 5% hp probably

Once quelling on normal weapons get fixed though, depending on how bad it is might switch to force sword but until then knife is way to invaluable for me

[dawn orchid]

Oh I see, I knew about that but I was using force sword anyway so that doesn't work for me

[celest hedge]

What’s broken about quelling?

[wary trout]

Does Psyker still have the quelling 'bug'?

[dawn orchid]

What bug was that?

[wary trout]

After the Signal patch you weren't able to quell for a few seconds after hitting 100%

Haven't played dt in a couple days but just realized they did a patch and one of the four classes is still broken I think which is just beyond the pale even for fatshark

[burnt fjord]

Yes they fixed quelling when they reverted surge vfx

[wanton cove]

Merry Christmas siblings ❤️🥹

[wary trout]

That's good, it's not mentioned in the patch notes at all

[covert valve]

Its fixed, ive noticed it was slightly buffed or am I going crazy? It tends to quell automatically instantly after a brain burst (just a bit but enough to brain burst again)

[wary trout]

There's always been a chance to get an instant quell of like 10% when you kill with BB sometimes

[mental rock]

actually its on any kill

[dawn orchid]

Yea, it's 10% chance to quell 10% peril on any kill

It's one of the psykinetics passive abilities

[mellow ibex]

Yup, Battle Meditation.

[viscid cloak]

oh what a nice pointy sword, TOO BAD I HATE USING EM

Wheres my knife?

[mellow ibex]

Why use Knife on a Psyker? Also, the Dueling Sword isn't that bad of a melee weapon.

[lament sequoia]

I do enjoy zooming

Knife as Psyker == you are totally depending on someone in the comp having the ability to kill boss / specials

[tulip drum]

I feel so safe with a Mk V duelling sword

[lament sequoia]

But you are FLYING across the map

[tulip drum]

what combo do you guys use with force sword to clear hordes? i've just kinda been heavy chaining

[lament sequoia]

force sword + buff at 4-6 stacks is a special killer

So you can combine your utility of being either

cc/dot/trash clear/bb + having power in close combat

[tulip drum]

having a good time with wetmagic's catachan mk IV sword + surge staff though. mk IV clears hordes real nicely...but finally got a FS with deflector and wanted to give it a shot

yeah FS with buff does so much damage vs boss

[summer prairie]

the knife does more with lacerate

[tulip drum]

what i think FS needs is instant buffed damage like power sword

the animation is so dangerous

[tawny maple]

start with light>heavy and then repeat light>light>heavy. Occasional push for CC helps a lot

[tulip drum]

ahhh great thanks for the tip. I did light heavy...but then light heavy would just do strikedowns...i'll add that extra light to reset chain

[mellow ibex]

I would honestly like for them to scale Brain Burst's damage better on Heresy and Damnation. Feels too weak for the job the class is kinda made for, ya know?

[tulip drum]

yeah for sure

i'd also like surge staff to prioritize whatever you have your cursor on

[true torrent]

Yes and no. If you are built for KB its a good opener/snipe for engagements for quickly establishing warp stacks and high peril before breaking out the void staff.

[pearl thicket]

you can also just l1 > h2 > qq

[stuck basalt]

is rampage useless on this weapon?

[pearl thicket]

no

[stuck basalt]

how to hit 3 enemies

[summer prairie]

lights cleave 4

[stuck basalt]

i see

[summer prairie]

if there's enough density

[true torrent]

Been waiting weeks for decently rolled staff in the store, finally got one with good stats and perks and its a fucking trauma staff

[mellow ibex]

Oofs

[stuck basalt]

trauma is laughing at you

[true torrent]

With a nice T3 transfer peril, but fuck if ill ever see that on a void staff

[alpine portal]

I assumed but never tested this peirces enimies?

[stuck basalt]

should be

[summer prairie]

the heavies cleave more though

[stuck basalt]

but it is hard to trigger that blessing

[alpine portal]

I think terrifying barrage is useless on purga staff, you dont kill with it

[shut thorn]

What maps are the best for doing the knock 7 dudes off the cliff penance?

[stuck basalt]

bridge map

[dapper void]

The smelter restart with the doughnut platform in the middle and the large horde before escape make it very easy.

[shut thorn]

I wish I could just do a bot game by myself and get it really fast but cant seem to do those solo. Other players tend to make things more difficult

[muted wyvern]

Ayyyyy, just got this badboy for Christmas

(They were out of the Psyker, tho)

[tropic pollen]

is this blessing snazzy?

[mellow ibex]

Soulblaze is not worth it for Psyker, to be honest.

[visual finch]

Agreed

[kindred lance]

Sick. I got a Ymgarl Genestealer. Hope fat shark adds them

[wanton cove]

😮

[night marten]

purgatus is good, but not worth getting blessings or feats that focus on soulblaze without it

[glacial abyss]

https://tenor.com/view/savlian-matius-imperial-elder-scrolls-oblivion-bethesda-gif-17725930

[stuck basalt]

buff soulblaze

[elfin roost]

Made my psyker

Name's Chad Thundercaulk, you can guess what it looks like

[wanton cove]

Does anyone run the level 30 talent thattt

makes BB faster

[cyan notch]

yes

[wanton cove]

Yeah?

Im like it seems better then the burny one

[cyan notch]

its a popular one

[wanton cove]

Omg and I just realize the fire one removes your warp charges. That doesnt sound good xD

[cyan notch]

if u stack inner tranquility with that you can get a lot of bbs off

[wanton cove]

dopeeee ill try that thx

[cyan notch]

yea it removes your charges but you can get them back pretty much instantly in a horde

bc of soulblaze kills

[pearl thicket]

also the ability to oneshot patrols is pretty unparalleled

[mellow ibex]

That's IF Soulblaze is the one that kills it.

[left basin]

buf siker

[shut thorn]

Does charging the lighting staff cause it to hit more targets or is it just a damage thing?

[night marten]

just damage

[left basin]

https://tenor.com/view/byuntear-meme-react-funny-dog-gif-25019867

pls

[alpine portal]

Lightning staff is for cc. And weakning enemies more than killing

[fierce plank]

I am extremly disappointed to learn that the psyker cant get the chain axe. It seems like a stupid restriction

They can get chain swords, why not the chain axe?

[left basin]

axes are stupid and for chopping wood

psykers are really smart

[alpine portal]

I kinda wish each class had 2 exclusive weapons and everything else was account wide unlock. Or shared inventory. Ex you could not buy a power sword on zealot, but if you had a vet who had one your zealot could use it

[shut thorn]

You should be able to use the heavy stubber on psyker tbh

[fierce plank]

counter point. they get the tactical axes already

[viscid cloak]

I WANT MY 12G SHOTGUN :(

[alpine portal]

I forget orgyn weapons exist....
But it would be funny watching a zealot use a orgyn knive

[shut thorn]

I dont really understand why people would even use a gun on psyker

[viscid cloak]

i hate the feeling of being helpless against a pack of gunners just because they are outside of the staffs range

[alpine portal]

Its the 5% head a-splode chance. And quick cool down

[viscid cloak]

plus, ogryn and zealot helps with horde control, we don't need a 3rd horde control

[glass lotus]

Voidstrike provides

[left basin]

that was a completely unrelated statement. chainsaw axe is still just a chainsaw, but not optimal for it's intended use, unlike the chainsword.

and psykers are really smart, they would not use something not optimal...

https://tenor.com/view/sobbing-gif-sobbing-uoooh-gif-24612778

[fierce plank]

counter point, they can use the knife.

Saying they wouldn't use one weapon because it's stupid and they thinking it's fine when they go into battle with a measely shiv is silly

[viscid cloak]

not really quick cooldown though...

plus id rather have +2 stacks

[fierce plank]

Let us use the weapons we want, within reason.

[alpine portal]

I agree on the chain ax. But the evesorator plasma staffs and orgry weapons could stay class specific

[fierce plank]

Yes

I agree

[left basin]

it's for tactical mid-combat snacks while you wait for your brane borst to charge

[fierce plank]

I just want my chain axe on my psyker

[alpine portal]

Give classes there unique, but it does not make sense to have an orgyn use a voidstaff.... or does it....

[left basin]

i just want for brane borst to be the only available thing on psyker

[fierce plank]

Yes I agree with 7thmoose, I just want weapons that make sense to be shared to be shared

[left basin]

why carry things when magic hands

[alpine portal]

Maybe restrict alt fire, or bonuses specific to classs?
Id love to see an orgyn hit people with a staff tho.

Sick? Bonk.

[viscid cloak]

2 handed stick

[alpine portal]

Still one hand for them lmao

[viscid cloak]

just, a long stick to bonk heretics

[alpine portal]

I'm spark ed now

[left basin]

i wanted a force rod so you can use it to store more brane borst

[crude karma]

so as long as i sit at 100 peril for 300 seconds anywhere in a malice mission i get the achievement yes

[left basin]

not 100 peril tho no

it was max warp stax

[crude karma]

ah

[left basin]

i had a timer

[crude karma]

could have swore it was 100 peril

[alpine portal]

Get a group. I helped a random get it.
You can also get your 20 head shot achievements in a row

[left basin]

actually did two penances at the same time

malleus monstrorum and this 5 minute edging bullshit

[alpine portal]

100 peril would be easy. Rmb brain burst for 5 min

[left basin]

i swear somehow the 5 minute edging was actually more difficult than MM

[alpine portal]

I did it with bots. To start and just refused to lose warp charges.
Helped a random get it by just blocking end of the furnace mission me and and an orgryn

Haven't done the maleious one yet

[left basin]

before i attempted MM and edging i was just rawdogging the edging stuff through pubs

i never screamed so much

[alpine portal]

Herd its easier to do on deamon host with an orgyn blocker

[left basin]

in a game

i did it b4 the witch patch

[alpine portal]

I all the warp charge perks and got 278 of 300 passively

[left basin]

afaik i did it before they made it 90%

and i was 100 sure that MM was going to be vastly difficult, but no

it only took me one try with a friend group on the strike metalfab

[alpine portal]

If you have a willing team none of them seem hard. Maybe that's the point?

[shut thorn]

Psyker penances are a cakewalk compared to the veteran ones

[valid marsh]

give force axe

[alpine portal]

Well maybe the vet ones

[valid marsh]

or force zweihander

give

[left basin]

the point is they didn't fire the moron who designed the okri challenges for dorfgineer

[alpine portal]

Nemesis weapons?

[left basin]

plz give psyker a single class with all the powers and remove other classes

[alpine portal]

Just give us extra feats

[left basin]

remove other classes for no comparison level

[alpine portal]

Lol

All psyker teams . Might actually work. No zealots rushing no orgyns role playing. No vets treating blue lights like targets?

[pulsar jungle]

Does any psyker want help getting the monstrosity kill penance? I have ogryn with shield that can tank a daemonhost for you

[shut thorn]

pick me

[stuck basalt]

that penance is a joke. dev don't know psyker bb sus on monstrosity ?

[abstract cedar]

buy and try to roll for Deflection or wait for a better one?

[half iron]

this is like that moment in among us where you swipe keycard in admin correctly on the first try

[dapper void]

Buy for sure, that's a good sword

[stuck basalt]

both blessing feel bad

[abstract cedar]

it's just that the damage is about the same and the perks are worse, plus one blessing is identical

[jovial quail]

I'd wait, can get like slaughter and deflector

[abstract cedar]

I want deflector for sure it's just so hard to find

[fringe tangle]

If FS buffed brain burst (which they most likely will since it scales terribly), to what degree would you like to see it buffed?

For me, I'd like it to one-shot maulers on any difficulty so that it fulfils it's role of killing HVTs better.

[stuck basalt]

only reason to use force sword is deflector, but it isn't very good too

[true torrent]

changed to charge time based on enemy health

[stuck basalt]

i swap to dueling sword, and my surviving rate increase more than force sword

[half iron]

the day i roll an fs with deflector and blazing spirit will be the day i won’t contain the silliness

[dapper void]

The problem is that hounds should be a one shot, but they have absurd HP, so if they scale BB there, it becomes very strong. Not that I have a problem with my main being strong, but still. So I'd like a pox hound HP nerf paired with the BB buff.

[abstract cedar]

the moveset is so good though what

[fringe tangle]

Yeah true, hound has insane HP for what is basically a more buggy assassin or hunter. So I hope the hound gets HP nerfed at the same time as BB buff.

[shut thorn]

Hound has more HP than any non-ogryn special. It's disgusting

[stuck basalt]

feel clunky. especially when surrounded by hordes.

hound is easy, it staggered easily

you just poke hound, it just sitting there let you kill

[lament sequoia]

Worth the upgrades ?

[fringe tangle]

Yeah I like the move set of fs. Also like the force push on it, but kind of wish it had a bit more range, so I can pretend I'm playing a jedi lol.

[stuck basalt]

no

[fringe tangle]

'tis ok, but I would try and get one that has max charge rate and damage.

[lament sequoia]

What is the best RNJesus play to get that staff

just random rolls on the ranged box?

Sorry bit of a newb q there

[fringe tangle]

just have to wait for one to show up, there's no special way to get what you want sadly.

devs really need to let us craft weapons instead of rng store bullshittery.

[shut thorn]

The fact that you have to keep random rolling for perks even after it becomes free is just like. What?

[ruby grail]

above 70 % are some good rolls.

[fringe tangle]

Yeah, that's really dumb, should just let us pick a perk when it's free instead of wasting our time.

[vivid merlin]

here's a fun project, try to roll a specific t4 perk on your curio

enjoy hadron lines for 20 minutes

[stuck basalt]

yeah , they should add cooldown, 1 reroll each day after free.

[fringe tangle]

Already did that for 10 to 15 minutes a few times.

[boreal wave]

Please no

[plain talon]

Psyker penances are pure unfiltered cancer

[fringe tangle]

Yeah, especially the "blow yourself up so your team mates fucking hate you" one.

[stuck basalt]

i try to blow myself in heresy, nothing die

[lament sequoia]

or the "lets require you to take a group multiple times to try and get carried through this"

[boreal wave]

There's not even an indication of how much damage the perils explosion does outside of the psykanium

[lament sequoia]

x3

[boreal wave]

And it's not much

[plain talon]

I did all the Zealot ones, all the Veteran ones, and now I'm looking at this donkey dick sucking penance list and I can't fathom a human mind could conceive it

[fringe tangle]

Yeah that's another flaw with that penance, the detonation barely does damage.

[shut thorn]

Perils explosion does about as much as a brain burst if your hugging em

[stuck basalt]

plasma gun explosion doing more damage and bigger aoe

[lament sequoia]

it would be cool if it scaled w warp charges... like at 6 stacks you are a fucking tsar bomba

[fringe tangle]

Yeah lol, just wipes out the whole map.

[plain talon]

"Just be shit bro, at the right time, in the right universe, and blow up to take 3 elites with you"

[boreal wave]

Eh? Never had it do as much as a bb

[lament sequoia]

BB spec is fun... not going to lie

[plain talon]

"Just pop 5 elites or specials in a row bro, with wonky targeting and blood crazed teammates"

"Just down this monstrosity bro, and ask your team to go watch Dora the Explorer while you pop a Deamonhost"

[fringe tangle]

lmao

[dapper void]

My biggest gripe with penances isn't even how idiotic they are - there is no indicator. I wish you could set tracking on one and see how many pops you got or whatever. It would instantly make it so much more comfy.

[mortal pendant]

u can do the blow up 3 and brainburst 5 easily if u have 1 friend

[fringe tangle]

Cliffhanger was also ultra cancer until they nerfed it.

[boreal wave]

Yeah my veteran friend was quite vocal about how dumb it was while I was doing that monster penance

[plain talon]

The Zealot and Veteran penances you could do solo with a bit of luck and patience

But the Psyker ones actively ask you to be purposely retarded, halt your team's gameplay and just have an Ogryn moment in general

[stuck basalt]

zealot penance is easiest one i think

ogryn almost impossible, that need coherency whole game

[left basin]

seer psyker is an isekai protagonist.

[plain talon]

"Have 1 friend" is a Penance I can't achieve

[left basin]

how'd u do the brainburst 5

[jovial quail]

with the 50% inherency increase distance it didnt seem that bad

I just hugged a veteran the entire game tho lol

[abstract cedar]

50% increase perk or play follow the leader like Cody said

[boreal wave]

You must discover the power of friendship.

[stuck basalt]

i will try when i am in good mood

[celest hedge]

finally hit level 30 on my psyker, didn't realize general fire damage counted as soul blaze, and decided to try out knetic overload and didn't realize that it only applied to a single enemy, that's kind of terrible

[abstract cedar]

the psyker penances are garbage for sure but they didn't make me angry
getting "no melee damage" and "100% accuracy no ammo" on guardsman was frustrating and spoiled the game for a while

[mortal pendant]

private match damnation so randoms dont interfere, if u find 5 brainburstable elites/specials do it, if not leave mission and try again

[lament sequoia]

From a random mish... seems a little shit?

[hallow obsidian]

if you have friends XD

[left basin]

i have ALL the friends, yes beloved, i do

[mint burrow]

Good if you like blowing up

[plain talon]

I did the "no melee damage" and "untouchable" at the same time on possibly the worst map for it - Investigation in Hab Drayko.

[left basin]

blowing up is the shit

[abstract cedar]

I'd take warp resist & quell speed over damage/crit on a surge staff

it does CC more than kills

[abstract cedar]

who the fuck are you

teach me the ways of the monk

[plain talon]

It was just luck that no dumb dog or poxburster decided to spoil the party

The rest I just camo expert'd my ass into corners and shot

[timber basin]

Lucky bugger

[wet raven]

oof slow quell speed

[left basin]

300% quell speed now

[hallow obsidian]

[alpine portal]

I'm the opposite

[stuck basalt]

[alpine portal]

I think pyker needs to be played aggressively tho fs let's me play more aggressive

[plain talon]

I leveled my Psyker to 30 like 2 days ago and I had some fortunate shop rotations

[subtle girder]

I pop into here and this is the first thing what blistering hell have I walked Into

[violet yoke]

I always love seeing thoes aggressive pysks on damnation getting downed 3 times quickly and rage leaving beacuse there team "isn't covering them"

[long wharf]

Merry Christmas siblings

[pulsar jungle]

Still want help?

[stuck basalt]

psyker just flex slot, you play aggressive/defensive according team

[plain talon]

The game was like "Look, I know you don't even like playing Psyker, here, have these"

[alpine portal]

Damn

[plain talon]

And now, when blessings crafting arrives sometime in December 2024, I'll swap some of them out

[stuck basalt]

i am waiting it to swap out run and gun , stupid blessing on staff

[plain talon]

I'd probably want crit and channel speed on both

[hallow obsidian]

run n gun

[plain talon]

And if they cockblock us like they did with perks "Oh, you can only change one", then I'm ditching the low ranked crit and leaving run n gun

[boreal wave]

I really do think the "can only reroll one" thing is just stupid.

If I'm willing to spend the resources then the game should let me tell Hadron to do whatever

[stuck basalt]

it isn't, otherwise everyone got identical staff

[plain talon]

Sometimes you really need 2 blessings though

Like the Zealot knife

[boreal wave]

If the meta is healthy then people would naturally gravitate towards perks and blessings that fit their play style.

[long wharf]

it is, because we have no way of upgrading the base weapon at all

[plain talon]

Lacerate + Mercy Killer

One without the other is eh

[wet raven]

mercy killer at least works

lacerate not so much

[hallow obsidian]

this two on the same sword and your golden XD

[plain talon]

Flamer is probably the only weapon where the blessings are "Pick whichever sounds the least shitty to you", none of them particularly make or break the Flamer

[long wharf]

surge staff is the same way

[stuck basalt]

purgatory staff same

[boreal wave]

I feel so bad. I have a 370 surge staff and I ruined it with the perks

[long wharf]

you definitely want warp nexus on purge staff

[boreal wave]

Ooh well

[plain talon]

I dunno, I'd really like channel speed on purgatos, and the crit chance on peril

[long wharf]

and non-interrupt blessing on purge is good too

[night marten]

Forget the name, but the one making your secondary uninterruptible is really nice on purg. Obviously Warp Nexus is the only necessary blessing

[long wharf]

if you want to see a ruined surge staff :

[wet raven]

one of them is "10% chance on elite kill for a slightly cooler looking fire spray"

thats how impactful it is

[wet raven]

LOL

[boreal wave]

Mine was 80% damage and I tried to see if I could get it to hit trash break points with the +20% damage perks to infested and unarmored

[near wyvern]

While it's true it's not blessing dependant, Warp Nexus and Flurry as well as Run n gun are decent on it.

Run n gun provides nice utility for preventing team mates from getting hit with LMB staggers.

[long wharf]

flurry isn't good on any staff

not currently

[plain talon]

I'm talking about Zealot flamer

[near wyvern]

Wrong channel?

[plain talon]

No

[near wyvern]

I am confused now

[wet raven]

kindred come back home, the emperor misses you!

[plain talon]

The Emperor cursed me with Psyker penances, kindred

[wet raven]

you dare question the will of the emperor freak!?

[near wyvern]

Psyker penances are 90% your friends doing the work and 10% work done by you but you get the trophy for it.

[wet raven]

(i feel bad for you, but i think all of them aside from out with a bang are extremely easy)

[long wharf]

pick n mix definitely wasn't easy

[plain talon]

Yeah, I done all of the Zealot and Veteran ones solo, but Psyker ones I just don't see myself completing realistically

[mellow ibex]

I still have Pick n Mix to do, myself.

[wet raven]

theres a lot of instances where the game will spawn an unholy amount of gunners and other things, i did it without even needing to communicate to the randoms

[plain talon]

Where the best place to do Going Out With A Bang?

[wet raven]

an ogryn with a shield, while carrying trama staff

[hallow obsidian]

than the veteran was sleeping

[wet raven]

same for the monstrosity although with that one you dont have to pray XP

[plain talon]

Can I just anonymously irritate a team solo somewhere?

[wet raven]

randoms kindred...

the vets* were sleeping

[plain talon]

Some guy said he apparently did it with randoms on Raid mission in the Consignment yard

Camped the train car at the end

And jihad'ed into a pack of shotgunners

[wet raven]

thats probably your best bet

[lime gorge]

I had the opposite problem, pick n mix took me 6 hours of straight play. Felt like every single rando was on a mission to kill every elite in sight, even when I told them my plan.

[near wyvern]

Herecy high intensity is your best bet. Just wait until there is a fight in a confined space and roll the dice.

[wet raven]

really sucks the penance is made specifically to make life on your team hard XP such is the way of the mutant :V i suppose

[plain talon]

Heresy high intensity is basically Heresy "but actually getting rewarded for the endless hordes modifier"

[near wyvern]

Yeah it really should be:

Kill at least 5 enemies near a downed team mate with you and the team mate being revived within 10 seconds of your perils of the warp explosion.

That way you would at least do it as an 'all in' move to try and de-escalate a situation

[elfin roost]

When do you start unlocking staves?

[near wyvern]

Lvl 8 I think but that's for trauma which is pure garbage.

The staves anyway get a lot better at high levels.

[wet raven]

5 is far too small, youd probably get that by accident

they just need to buff the explosion to 1 shot things up to tier 4, and not have damage reduction on it

[near wyvern]

@elfin roost

You should use a non force melee weapon with staves if you use them at lower levels because they auto quell fast and your staves won't have high quelling speed

[near wyvern]

Well one can always tweak the number but you get the point

[half kite]

How every gunpsyker starts 😢

[true torrent]

That is beautiful

[sacred lodge]

I swear, poxwalkers are programmed to dive in “Mr. President” style to get in the way of our brain burst lock ons

[long wharf]

hopefully we'll be able to share gear between characters at some point in the future

[sacred lodge]

I’ve had that happen way too many times trying to pop a rager or something

[sour stirrup]

I started a lil different. Stupid Corpse Emperor refuses to give me any outstanding weaponry so I have to make do with weird feat builds.

[sour stirrup]

Very silly question, but have you tried jumping and aiming a lil high?

[sacred lodge]

…no, I haven’t.

I’m… still learning advanced psyker techs

[sour stirrup]

It's what I do when I see a horde. Lockon tends to grab ragers that way because they're taller.

[sacred lodge]

But I would absolutely see that as a Nurgle play; have the little dinky poxwalkers block the high value targets

It’s usually how swarm factions play in the tabletop. Or at least, one of the ways

[sour stirrup]

That reminds me that I have no idea if Death Guard are gonna run swarms in the new edition or not.

[alpine portal]

Even if it had to be " shipped " pay a fee with dockets or something

[boreal sun]

Psyker only mouse pad

[alpine portal]

Wrong reply.

[elfin roost]

GET DOWN MR SCAB SNIPER!

[sour stirrup]

I have to take back my previous statement

Big E sent me a 380 lasgun

[onyx wasp]

playing with veterans makes me feel smol pp

[sour stirrup]

Reason #3 for why I play Gun Psyker.

[long wharf]

A gun psyker is just a budget vet

Vet is better in every way with that gun

[sour stirrup]

I still enjoy it more than endlessly trying to CC enemies my allies won't kill.

[midnight berry]

what melee do you run? I am currently running a force sword, but it feels like I tickle the horde without doing much

[sour stirrup]

Devil's Claw thinger

[summer wind]

Purge staff kills things good

I'd try it

It's not for everyone though

[haughty schooner]

ive been enjoying the tactical axe, swings decently fast for smackin groups but charged hit can do some work on elites

[sour stirrup]

I have tried all the staves. They all feel underwhelming aside from my fairly well rolled Voidstrike staff

[twin pond]

Surge is amazing

[haughty schooner]

even if you roll a pretty poor staff stat wise, the surge performs well

since the damage n stun duration dont scale

(from charging)

bein able to stunlock like 5 ogryns until they are dead is pretty invaluable

[sour stirrup]

I just BB the ogryns down

[haughty schooner]

that wont work on harder difficulties

[twin pond]

(Damnation difficulty)

[haughty schooner]

on damnation it takes what, like 3-5 BBs to kill an ogryn?

[sour stirrup]

3 on my build IIRC, might be 2

Gonna check again

[haughty schooner]

def not 2

[sour stirrup]

I don't go over dif 4

[haughty schooner]

its 2 on atleast up to 3 diff

i cant remember for 4 or 5 how many it was since when i noticed 2 didnt kill it, i swapped to stunning lol

[sour stirrup]

3 BBs on Dif 5 on any ogryn

Arguably 2 for Bulwark if someone sneezes at him before I get to him

[haughty schooner]

spending like 10 seconds and all your peril to kill 1 ogryn isnt worth being able to keep 5 ogryns unable to do anything

if you keep em stunned your vet can kill them all in that time or quicker

[sour stirrup]

I run Kinetic Barrage, it doesn't take that long or build that much peril

[haughty schooner]

again though you are investing every bit of your resources to do so little in the big picture of a fight

the ogryns are never totally alone, and they dont just stand there n let you hit em

i may be biased for the surge staff, but brain burst just doesnt feel worth it most of the time on 4-5 difficulty

[true torrent]

my force sword kills an ogryn as fast as any vet, but I use KB to stack charges quickly or engage difficult targets.

[sour stirrup]

Have played on 4 with the build

Still feels better than waiting for people to kill everything I've CC'd

[true torrent]

Yeah surge feels gross to play

[sour stirrup]

Which, like every game where the character only has CC, makes them worth as much as the damage makes them to be.

[summer wind]

I just use force sword on elites, purge on everything else, and bb on distant targets

[valid jolt]

best thing about psyker is that nobody else plays psyker. Even if your MM is good, you dont feel as useful being the 4th MM in a full team of them

[summer wind]

Works well on 5

[haughty schooner]

well its not like it does no damage, it still does a decent amount

[true torrent]

I can carry a bad situation on my psyker alot better than I can with my MM

[haughty schooner]

even if its only 100 dmg per cast, you are hitting like 5-8 targets using minimal peril

so looking at 5-800 damage every 1-2 seconds

with a stun

and using maybe 15-20 peril?

opposed to like 45 peril every 3? seconds with no cc

one of the few things that can interrupt a charging mutant too

or make a mutant drop an ally or get a dog off em too

[true torrent]

BB soft CCs, and a good FS oneshots a charging mutant

[summer wind]

Does it still have those ugly effects

[haughty schooner]

well the bb does the lil stun at the last like half second of the channel its true

wish it was the whole duration 😦

[sour stirrup]

My sword is killing poxwalkers faster than my surge staff. Dead is better than CC'd. And if the Veteran isn't going to drop Ogryns or other priority targets faster than I can BB them down, he's gonna get to pull out his power sword and clear the horde for being a worse version of his role than I am.

[haughty schooner]

yeah you dont wanna be using your surge staff on hordes

[summer wind]

That's a fair point tbh

Cc is useless if you can just kill

Which purge can do far faster than surge

[remote tusk]

surge and purge get better the higher difficulty you play

[summer wind]

But it's not fast enough to completely replace it

Yeah they do

[haughty schooner]

i love the purge staff as long as my team is actively competent at dealing with ranged enemies

[sour stirrup]

I'd even argue that since they have that fancy power sword, they should be clearing the horde while I BB the elites.

[wise pecan]

MM?

[haughty schooner]

marksman

[summer wind]

Purge is far better at horse clear and vet is better at elite kill

Should be swapped ideally

[wise pecan]

Just say vet lmao, there is no marksman class

[haughty schooner]

well its the veteran marksman

[wise pecan]

Sharpshooter

[midnight berry]

sharpshooter

[summer wind]

Vet is a sniper class on paper

[haughty schooner]

o

i assumed mm was marksman my b lol

[midnight berry]

sniper without laslongun

[haughty schooner]

i always just say vet

[wise pecan]

I was like “iunno a 4th Martian Manhunter is probably still pretty good”

[sour stirrup]

I'm gonna see if my Vet drops Ogryns as fast as my Psyker

But I like my laceration kinetic barrage thing

[summer wind]

It depends on gun

[midnight berry]

if you run plasma gun you onshot ogryn even in damnation

[haughty schooner]

the MG XII is crazy

plasma wrecks but is risky

[midnight berry]

it is very funny

[haughty schooner]

is it like a requirement when running plasma gun to use the feat where it reloads your gun when hitting F?

[midnight berry]

buy I don't run it unless there is already a lasgun vet in the squad

[sour stirrup]

Yeah plasma gun is busted

[midnight berry]

nope. I use 30% on elite kill and 20% when not empty

[summer wind]

That's the most common load out in the game

[midnight berry]

and at 30 i use more damage on the big boys

[haughty schooner]

yeah i was usin the dmg vs ogryn/monstros

but i just love the XII

[summer wind]

I just want a two handed psyker weapob

Like a force maul or spear or greatsworf

[sour stirrup]

1 Clip on my bolter drops 2 Ogryns

If I can get all the shots in

[summer wind]

Or force fist

Force book I dont care just gimme a new force weapon

[midnight berry]

I use to hate the plasma, because the low statd are just horrible, then The 100% penance made me like it again

[haughty schooner]

psykers are usually so physically weak and malnourished they cant hold heavy stuff XD

[summer wind]

Psykentic doesnt care

They're the gravity and force psyker

They can just psyker their weapon

[boreal wave]

I'm sure we'll see a power fist at some point. Probably for either the vet or zealot

[wise pecan]

Actually it’s practically a requirement to not use that, since that reload doesn’t cool the gun

[haughty schooner]

ohh ty didnt know that

[midnight berry]

power fist would be vet i think

[boreal wave]

Perhaps a disgraced commissar subclass for zealot

[haughty schooner]

or just a normal commissar to keep the group in line XD

[alpine portal]

Force fist is a thing I think

[sour stirrup]

Good lord Psyker needs a rework

[true torrent]

Needs some tweaks, otherwise its solid

Mostly to shop rng

[haughty schooner]

let BB stun whole duration of channel and do an aoe somethin when it goes off

[midnight berry]

not that i am aware of. But force axe is

[summer wind]

Doesnt need to exist tbh

Game should be fun first

[midnight berry]

Gw is very protective of their IP. You probably won't have "new" weapon

[summer wind]

Gw sucks

[sour stirrup]

I'd like for soulblaze stuff to get baked into the base kit of the psyker somehow.

Instead of getting crappy feats to get a little bit of it.

Among a list of other things

[alpine portal]

I was thinking of Nemesis Doomfist
I'm not familiar as id like to be with lore

[sour stirrup]

Orks have power claws

IIRC

But my brain basically went to

Well Yarick has a power claw

But I think his is an Ork one?

But then there was that one Smurf who has two arms and a leg replaced with power stuff

[midnight berry]

it is a dreadnought weapon. So not for us.

[alpine portal]

Yep

[midnight berry]

Yarick has a powerfist.

[sour stirrup]

Yeah

[midnight berry]

but power weapons and force weapons are different

[violet yoke]

But what powers the force weapons??? Or does force power the power weapons???

[midnight berry]

force weapon are powered by the warp (basically)

[sour stirrup]

Yay Warp

[midnight berry]

psyker chanel tge warp through them

[violet yoke]

Well then force fist has to be a thing

They could warp power anything thing

[mighty locust]

what base stats should i look for in staffs

[summer wind]

Force weapons arent great without being a psyker and scale with the psykers power

Power weapons are purely tech, they work no matter the wielder

[shadow wigeon]

I'm struggling to be effective on pubbing heresy. Surge feels great for elite cc, but beyond that im not contributing much, and purge is great of course but the damage im taking keeps my dps down. Any suggestions?

[wise pecan]

Seems like your issue is in positioning

[wanton raft]

BB on ranged specials and don't be afraid to switch to melee to deal with close up hoards. you'll get overwhelmed if you're just spamming surge

[violet yoke]

Pro tip
don't get hit

[wise pecan]

Whenever possible, you want your back to a wall, especially with purgatus. That way, you can sweep the flame across every avenue enemies are coming from and not get hit

As the other guy said, too, especially with surge don’t hesitate to swap to melee when you need to deal with enemies in your comfort zone

[violet yoke]

Also surg doesn't have good mob control. Get a good mk v combat axe, dueling iv sword or devils claw. To help deal with mobs when surge isn't needed. Helps add value in pubs

[wise pecan]

Blessings and weapon stats can make a difference, too. On purgatus, you want terrifying barrage, as suppression will make it more difficult for enemies to actually reach you

[ornate hamlet]

It really depends what you want to do.

Voidstrike - backline DPS/Sniper. Minor horde control, but not reliable. - strong in a pre-built comp with good communication

Surge - CC Jack of all Trades. This is great for pub matches where DPS is slightly less important as is locking down Specialists/Elites. Decent Horde control as well, long range. does not really require communication. just follow the squad.

Purgatus - Prob the best staff overall. Insane damage once specced right and at level 30. great horde control, works at all distances outside of sniping range. can get overwhelmed if team is not coordinated but works for pubs as well as pre-mades.

all 3 viable in T4/T5

in terms of melee. imo the only 2 worth having are either the Force Sword or Dueling Blade. They both serve a similar purpose and really just up to playstyle. Won't really say anything good/bad about them as they both perform fine.

[echo parrot]

pulls out knife

[ornate hamlet]

for pub matches, it really comes down to build as you cannot rely on the rest of the team.

[tidal elm]

Really like the mkv axe, turns you into a zealot, not as much util as other two but mega dps

[ornate hamlet]

the problem I have with the axe is that while it shreds, I think you lose some key defensive properties

[echo parrot]

You can literally shove cheese to win

[ornate hamlet]

true lol

[tidal elm]

push attack is really safe, just no deflector unfortunately

[ornate hamlet]

yeh. Deflector is a big reason why I run Force Sword.

tho the passive quell speed on the Dueling Blade is INSANE

[echo parrot]

Same with knife

[ornate hamlet]

really? knife is same speed?

[echo parrot]

All non-force weapons are the same speed

[ornate hamlet]

I could have sworn my axe that I used for a time at lower levels was slow

maybe im just drunk. idk

[echo parrot]

I use Knife exclusive when I use Surge

I love that thing

Can't convince me that DS is better

[ornate hamlet]

Ill have to try the butter knife

[frigid marten]

basically force sword have the worst passive quell of all

[vagrant cedar]

Axe > Your opinion

[frigid marten]

and with a staff like surge is important a good passive quell

[ornate hamlet]

does the Knife have mobility as a perk? I do not have one to look at rn

[echo parrot]

Cheese strats are cheese

[echo parrot]

Yes

[ornate hamlet]

ok cool gonna check it out

[echo parrot]

All force weapons have a low passive quell.

[ornate hamlet]

yep. which is absolutely hilarious to me

[frigid marten]

and is the only force melee option

[ornate hamlet]

but you get used to it. I love the special attack on a force sword. the thing hits like an absolute truck

[echo parrot]

There's a reason active quell is a thing in said weapons

[vagrant cedar]

I aint about that masochist lifestyle

to chop enemies 5 times

[frigid marten]

one day with better force melee option a gun psy can be good for the better passive quell.

[long osprey]

Do brain burst count as a warp attack regarding the +damage based on peril feat

[ornate hamlet]

yes. anything that generates peril is a warp attack

I think

[sour stirrup]

No. It doesn't count.

It does count for Laceration. So you can stack it off itself.

[ornate hamlet]

wait really? how teh hell does a BB not count as a warp attack? lol

[sour stirrup]

It's a "grenade"

[ornate hamlet]

LOL. wut.

[echo parrot]

If that really is the case that has got to be a bug

[sour stirrup]

Yeah I've spent a couple days on and off testing BB stuff

Laceration makes more BBs do more damage to the same target

Which is silly

But cool

[ornate hamlet]

That is totally nonsensical. Anything that generates peril should be considered a warp attack.

why does fatshark always hate the Pyro/Psyker/Mages so much lol

[tidal elm]

they were too afraid of sienna 2.0

[ornate hamlet]

then just get rid of the Peril system and balance the class normally xD. problem solved. xD

[sour stirrup]

Gotta have peril to be reasonably lore accurate I think

[manic needle]

Yeah but like... why?

[ornate hamlet]

tho managing peril is fun and provides an element of uniqueness to the class.

[manic needle]

Sienna mid ngl

[tidal elm]

if they made BB do dmg over time or just a continuous cast it would feel much better

[ornate hamlet]

ehh. I just hope they do not nerf Psyker into the ground

[tidal elm]

sienna is busted on higher difficulties

[ornate hamlet]

can confirm. Pyro main in Vermintide.

[tidal elm]

anything that essentially has unlimited armor penned cleave is gonna be good

[sour stirrup]

You are playing the version they already nerfed into the ground.

[ornate hamlet]

really? 😦 so its not just me that feels its super easy to get overwhelmed as a psyker?

[tidal elm]

start out with the mkv axe, you will gain a dopamine rush when hordes come

your melee skills with other classes and weapons will actually degrade with how easy the mkv axe is

[ornate hamlet]

But I think the biggest thing to keep in mind, is that each class has a role. Sienna is good at higher difficulties because of the role she fulfils. its not because she is OP, its just because how difficulty spikes and how enemies change/armor/specs, etc. to say that a class is over powered for preforming a role is how we get misguided nerfs. if you feel that the other classes are too weak in their role... then buff that role/niche. make each class offer a unique playstyle that really excels

[tidal elm]

oh no definitely, its like how drake flamethrower is meh on lower diff but on higher and modded its really good

[ornate hamlet]

This would be like saying the current iteration of the surge staff is too strong CC vs Specs/Elites because you can perma stun them when the whole role of the psyker is horde control/CC. like you wont match the DPS of the Veteran whatsoever, not even close. but you can provide valuable seconds to your team. that is not OP, its building into a role.

or like saying the soulburn build is too strong because of the level 30 talent, nevermind that in order to achieve this you have to hyper focus and lose some of your long range and cc on tougher enemies to achieve the godlike horde control and boss burn.

I just do not like nerfs.

[ornate hamlet]

yas. Burn the rats!

[shadow wigeon]

Well yeah, of course, I just find at Heresy my overall contribution is limited. One good veteran and stunlocking elites is not even that meaningful.

[shadow wigeon]

Yeah. I think grouping with good team mates has made me lazy and not pay attention to position enough in bad setups.

[fresh reef]

Head is goofy but the rest of it is fresh as hell

[long wharf]

what the hell is that from?

[ornate hamlet]

surge is game changing in pubs

[long wharf]

everyone likes having a surge psyker

[elfin roost]

Noted

Didn't name my psyker chad thundercaulk for nothing

[magic burrow]

but Surge Psyker is like the most boring thing there is

[long wharf]

I prefer running surge

[ornate hamlet]

being a sith lord is boring?!

[wise pecan]

I second this. Did we get fresh Christmas drip?

[long wharf]

nothing new in my shop

[elfin roost]

Sure

[magic burrow]

I didnt think shooting lightning from your hands could be boring, but this game managed to do so

[elfin roost]

12.50$

[short pollen]

This has probably already been answered but I couldn't find it. Does anybody know how to turn off the video hazzing effect that the force sword puts all over the screen?

It's the drunk vision effect I'm trying to resolve

[tight niche]

where is this from?

[fresh reef]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/zv5u0n/leaked_cosmetics_thatll_be_ingame_before_any_real/

[tight niche]

this pinhead look kinda fresh

[shut thorn]

Is it even possible to do the brain burst penance before hitting 30?

[long wharf]

no

[wise pecan]

Pick n mix? Yeah no, gotta have that one 30 feat

[shut thorn]

Yeah that one. I was just curious since I'm still a ways from 30

[crisp storm]

how are we feeling about the executor blessing? (executor+deflector)

[wise pecan]

Heard it’s great on force sword

[manic needle]

Im thinking of trying something a bit more defensive with Exorcist, if I ever get a sword with good stats and both blessings

[naive dune]

Anyonr have a good setup? Looking for something ranged. And to defend hordes when it arises. Lvl 30.

[dawn orchid]

Your options are voidstrike, surge, and purge staffs

Purge staffs and voidstrike need some good rolls/blessings to shine, surge is a cc machine but that's really it

Please do not use guns on psyker and play vet instead

[long wharf]

you want to... defend the horde?

Inquisitor!

[small sinew]

what am I looking for for perks on a Voidstrike staff?

[fluid knot]

Laughs in gun psyker

[long wharf]

peril transfer and warp nexus

[small sinew]

not blessings

[manic needle]

You're recommending Purgatus to someone who wants ranged? Honestly I'd recommend Trauma over Purgatus for someone who wants a ranged setup

[long wharf]

laughs in gun psyker budget veteran

[manic needle]

Purgatus is a fine staff but its definitely not ranged

[small sinew]

i got 10% elite and 25% maniac atm

[ornate hamlet]

what i said up above kinda sums up the different staffs

"It really depends what you want to do.

Voidstrike - backline DPS/Sniper. Minor horde control, but not reliable. - strong in a pre-built comp with good communication

Surge - CC Jack of all Trades. This is great for pub matches where DPS is slightly less important as is locking down Specialists/Elites. Decent Horde control as well, long range. does not really require communication. just follow the squad.

Purgatus - Prob the best staff overall. Insane damage once specced right and at level 30. great horde control, works at all distances outside of sniping range. can get overwhelmed if team is not coordinated but works for pubs as well as pre-mades.
all 3 viable in T4/T5"

[fluid knot]

Budget veteran that can block bullets with a sword an pick off specials just as effectively

[long wharf]

if you think you're going to "pick off specials just as effectively", you either have never played a veteran or have never played with a good veteran

you're delusional if you think a psyker with a gun is equivalent to a veteran with a gun

[fluid knot]

Gun psyker fun, you should try

[long wharf]

I'm glad you have fun shooting a gun with the wrong class

[dawn orchid]

pick off specials just as effectively

[long wharf]

I didn't use the word "fun" in my response to you

[ornate hamlet]

A good Psyker will not match a Good Veteran in terms of long ranged DPS. you will see spikes in the BB talent on level 30. but that is really just for bosses.

Psyker is Horde Control/CC/Mid Range DPS.

[fluid knot]

Feat for faster cooldown on BB is wicked 🙏

[ornate hamlet]

no it is. but usability. its mainly a boss killer

[dawn orchid]

Gun psyker does one thing very well, and that's gimping your team by taking a slot from someone more useful

[long wharf]

BB isn't even a boss killer on heresy+

[ornate hamlet]

with the perk, it still does great DPS.

[long wharf]

no, it doesn't

every other class can burn down bosses faster

[fluid knot]

Yeah it does damage, but like better off with other options for bosses, namely melee

[wanton cove]

But with the level 30 talent doesn’t it feel useful for special killing?

[dawn orchid]

Not really

[fluid knot]

Force sword melee is good

[long wharf]

I don't use BB for special killing unless the rest of the team is otherwise occupied

[dawn orchid]

I can burn through specials much faster on my vet

[wanton cove]

I feel like in solo queue it’s nice to have quick BBs because you can’t always rely on your team mates

The soup blaze talent feels useless

[fluid knot]

With the sped up perk yeah, can use the force push to proc it an give yourself space to use it too

[wanton cove]

Soup XD. Soul*

[long wharf]

it's not useless when you use the purge staff

[ornate hamlet]

SoulBlaze talent is what makes the Purgatus.

[manic needle]

BB is for taking out snipers when your veteran is scared of them, and gunners when you have stacks of Warp Charge and the Veteran is suppressed

[long wharf]

but it's not great, either

[ornate hamlet]

its great at keeping 4/4 stacks or 6/6 depending on build

[long wharf]

yeah, I literally don't care about warp charges

[manic needle]

Anything else that it one shots is avalid target, especially when Kinetic Barrage is up

[long wharf]

I make zero effort to get or maintain them

[ornate hamlet]

ahh I do. you get some great effects.

[alpine portal]

I use bb for snipers fand staggering bulwark then charged force sword their face

[long wharf]

your warp charges don't make or break any build for the psyker

[manic needle]

Less about caring about them and more about glancing at your stacks to see whether BBing a Gunner from cover on Damnation is a good use of your time

[long wharf]

fact is, you could remove warp charges entirely and the psyker wouldn't play any differently

[dawn orchid]

The warp charge system is unnecessarily tedious for little benefit

[long wharf]

if you have to check how many warp charges you have, you're wasting time.

[ornate hamlet]

I think its silly to ignore them though. They are incredibly powerful. I run a 4/4 Warp Charge build. its not hard to maintain

[dawn orchid]

I feel like this psyker subclass is easily the least creative/fun thing we could've gotten

[alpine portal]

Its one Nerf that might actually help pug games.

[long wharf]

4/4 warp charges is +12% warp damage

[manic needle]

Thats a hot take. Situational awareness is already a tool you should be using.

[long wharf]

correct, situational awareness

[long osprey]

I run 6 warp charges and I’m often maxed out on them

There are enough elites to max ‘em

[ornate hamlet]

it depends on build. it can be more damage. more survivability. more peril resistance.

[long wharf]

meaning if that one gunner can't be gotten by the rest of the team, it doesn't matter how many warp charges you have, you BB them

[ornate hamlet]

Warp Charges are very powerful. I recommend learning how to manage them

[long wharf]

and yet warp charges are "nice", not necessary

there is no build that requires warp charges to work

they're literally an accessory as a core mechanic

[ornate hamlet]

oh yeah for sure. not necessary. but they are very nice to have. great buffs

[fluid knot]

V helpful on gun psyker

[dawn orchid]

They aren't, it's a bunch of clunky tedium for lukewarm benefit

[long wharf]

psyker needs warp charges to be better

[dawn orchid]

If you could passively maintain them purely through psychic communion then maybe I'd not rag on them so often

[ornate hamlet]

idk, I am not that strong of a player but I have absolutely zero issue managing my warp charges up to 4/4 at all times with no BB.

[long wharf]

you aren't getting it

[ornate hamlet]

its just knowing situational awareness and how/where to stand.

[long wharf]

we're saying even if you had 0 warp charges, you'd play exactly the same

warp charges do not make or break your build

[dawn orchid]

Mine go down all the time, even with kinetic flayer

[ornate hamlet]

I dont think so. sure the general gameplay would be the same. but you DO get more damage, more peril resistance, more toughness resistance, lots of perks. makes your Force Push stronger in some instances

[long wharf]

your force push doesn't deal damage

[ornate hamlet]

I mean in downtime sure, but in a fight. I can keep them up to 4/4

[dawn orchid]

Your toughness res is based on peril

[ornate hamlet]

if you have the SoulBurn talent it does.

[dawn orchid]

Not warp charges

[long wharf]

that's not the push doing damage

that's soulblaze doing damage

[ornate hamlet]

its based on warp charges tho.

[long wharf]

correct

[foggy tangle]

Are the best perks for void quell on weakness kill and reduced charge time on secondary?

[dawn orchid]

Kinetic shield? It's peril

I'm looking at it right now

[ornate hamlet]

yes but you can get peril resistance from warp charges which makes managing peril easier

[long wharf]

no, go with peril transfer (what you wrote) and warp nexus

[foggy tangle]

What's nexus do?

[dawn orchid]

That's a stretch

[long wharf]

again correct - easier != necessary

you can manage your peril easily without warp charges for that feat

[dawn orchid]

It doesn't directly, in any way, give you damage res

[ornate hamlet]

no I do agree. its not necessary but it does provide some utility and is not a bad DPS boost for an AOE class.

[long wharf]

we aren't an AoE class

[ornate hamlet]

all I am saying. is the buffs are decent if you build it right.

[long wharf]

we're a CC/support class

[dawn orchid]

Should be a damage class with the defensive stats we have but

[ornate hamlet]

Purgatus has some incredible DPS on its alt fire

[dawn orchid]

Relegated to support

[long wharf]

psyker is not the glass cannon FartShack described it as

you write incredible, and yet the zealot's flamer is vastly superior

longer flame, much higher dot damage

[charred marten]

its a glass cannon, only we have wet powder 😦

[long wharf]

and the zealot can easily get ammo while we have to manage peril

[dawn orchid]

My gripe with the warp charge system is that it revolves around tediously management in a game where you really should be paying attention to other things.

[long wharf]

we need more ways to build warp charges

[fluid knot]

Solve both those issues wit gun psyker

[long wharf]

force sword special kills

[dawn orchid]

And then the buffs are "eh" if you dedicate a bunch of talents to it, as opposed to straight dogshit

[ornate hamlet]

tbh, Warp Charges should just last longer. make each one last for about 45 seconds and I think a lot of the issues get solved. 25s feels too short.

[long wharf]

warp charges should also drop off on individual timers

[fluid pendant]

25s is fine but stacks need to fall off individually

[long wharf]

instead of everything at once

[fluid pendant]

Yep

[ornate hamlet]

I am fine with them falling off all at once. just make them last longer and allow new stacks to refresh the duration.

kinda like what it does now in a way. just longer duration

[long wharf]

I'd also be okay with using a warp charge to power the force sword special and turning it into a nuke shot with massive AoE

[ornate hamlet]

actually lowkey that would be fun

[long wharf]

or making warp charges boost our staff damage and charge rates

there are so many ways to make warp charges more meaningful

[ornate hamlet]

I also agree with this. while I do like the buffs they provide. they should do more.

[dawn orchid]

I mean, it does boost staff damage

Just by a small amount

[ornate hamlet]

I would not mind each warp charge increasing charge rates by 5%

[long wharf]

while I have fun with the psyker, I have fun despite its mechanics, not because of them

the staves are everything

[ornate hamlet]

yah the Staves are a ton of fun.

[long wharf]

I expect FartShack to fix passive quelling on non-force weapons

[ornate hamlet]

I run a Surge/Purgatus rn.

[long wharf]

which will destroy psyker tank builds

[ornate hamlet]

change Kinetic Shield to reduce damage on all attacks to compensate

[long wharf]

we have some mechanics that rely on high peril, but all of the effects are minor at best

none of them justify the time we have to spend quelling to not pop

[ornate hamlet]

oh what do you run for Curios? I run 2 Tough and 1 Wound

[long wharf]

peril-based damage buff needs to be between 5~50% and on a logarithmic curve

give me a reason to ride 90%+ peril

[ornate hamlet]

so more peril resistance per warp charge, more buffs per peril %. easier time managing warp charges, etc?

[shut thorn]

1 wound is pretty good especially if you're on heresy+

[long wharf]

I run 2x health 1x wound

[ornate hamlet]

health over toughness on psyker? how come?

[shut thorn]

You get more health. Simple as

[long wharf]

because there are too many times when toughness gets outright stripped

[covert cosmos]

^

[long wharf]

and plenty of enemy attacks do more toughness than health damage

[shut thorn]

I'd only go tough on veteran

[long wharf]

and we have more health than toughness, so those % go farther

[ornate hamlet]

fair enough

[abstract cedar]

You start losing hp as soon as you dip below 100% toughness anyway

[ornate hamlet]

so Health main and maybe a toughness as a sub perk?

[manic needle]

Yep

[long wharf]

nope, block efficiency perks on all curios

and then assorted resistances

[ornate hamlet]

tho my arguement for toughness is that 1 - it constantly regenerates , all your t1 perks regen toughness, etc. so you get a lot of value of a bigger toughness bar.

but I do understand what you mean about things shredding toughness

stupid gunners LOL

[long wharf]

problem is in melee, your toughness isn't temp hp

[dawn orchid]

I remember reading someone post about how toughness regen doesn't actually make it regen faster, just makes coherency kick in faster

So it may not be as good as it might seem

[ornate hamlet]

thats a nice ass staff

[long wharf]

I'd have to see a test of that to believe it

[manic needle]

Fire shreds your toughness instantly. If you get caught off guard by a grenade, exploding barrel, etc, then those toughness trinkets arent helping you at all on the class with the lowest base toughness and toughness regen rate

[long wharf]

yeah, barrel or poxburster means bye-bye toughness

doesn't matter how much you have

[manic needle]

All it takes is one reckless ogryn to instapop a barrel near you

or veteran

[long wharf]

or yourself swinging wildly into the horde in your face

unable to see the barrel through the bodies

it's a very common and likely problem

you can't plan a successful build around a mission being a perfect run

[ornate hamlet]

oh yeah. my flames have accidentally popped barrels before lol

[long wharf]

I love the psyker

[ornate hamlet]

The thing I hate is when some random dude triggers a Daemonhost and then runs the hell off and wipes everyone

[long wharf]

I hate a lot of the design decisions that went into its mechanics

and FartShack hasn't proven to me yet that they understand how to make the psyker fun

every adjustment they've made to it has been either ridiculous (full-screen blurry effect on the surge) or a knee-jerk reaction to community complaints (BB used to be much better in the closed beta)

the reason why half of our feats are useless is because they crippled BB without adjusting the feats designed around it being fast and cheap

[ornate hamlet]

tbh I think they are just having a hard time balancing the Range/Weapons of 40K with the horde-like setup of Vermintide. it made sense for that setting because everything was like crossbows and low-tech crap. swords and axes was the bulk. in this though where guns, mechs, tanks and space wizards with reality warping power is the norm... how do you justify letting hordes of poxwalkers in your face

so the psyker is in a weird spot

[long wharf]

I'm not sure about whether it's easy or not to balance the classes

but take note - the Veteran is by far the easiest class to play

[ornate hamlet]

oh I can almost say for a fact that its not easy for a game like this. there are so many variables.

[long wharf]

everything the vet has or can do falls in line with simply playing

[ornate hamlet]

and its made harder with a setting like 40K

[brave vale]

IT should be far more balanced than it is now

Thats for sure

[long wharf]

no, hard disagree - incompetent designers and programmers make it harder

[brave vale]

Psyker wasn't thought out well

[raw breach]

are surge crits fixed yet?

[clear heath]

I think they're trying to make the game actually function first

[ornate hamlet]

I mean. this is just vermintide with a 40K skin.

[long wharf]

unnecessary complexity in code is a hallmark of over-engineering a solution to a problem

[long wharf]

there's evidence that it was never broken

[ornate hamlet]

even some of the weapons/systems are just direct copies from Vermintide

[long wharf]

a good number, actually

something to keep in mind, however, is that the core gameplay is insanely fun

[clear heath]

they should copy more
i miss crafting

[long wharf]

it's why I keep playing

[raw breach]

wat. then why the hell was everyone losing their shit over it like 2 days agfo?

[long wharf]

some of us immediately did some testing

I'd rather hold onto my shit than lose it

[raw breach]

Why couldn't they have made Trauma staff based on Coruscation Staff instead of Combustion staff? laziness lol

[long wharf]

there's evidence that the meat grinder doesn't always show a crit as a crit

[clear heath]

I actually have no idea why people said it was broken
Never seen any indication that it doesn't work

[long wharf]

you can see crit damage without it being yellow

[clear heath]

yeah but for surge staff it does show yellow

so idk what people are talking about

[long wharf]

it also shows a very wide range of damage values

[ornate hamlet]

oh no, I do agree. The concept is great. but they need to go back to square one. and not think. ok, Vermintide with a 40K skin and think. ok, 40k coop horde game. and start there.

each class needs to first be designed about its 40K counterpart, not what it was in vermintide lol

[long wharf]

Darktide was clearly designed with the Vet class in mind

and the others were tacked on afterwards

the loot pool for the psyker needs to be streamlined, as well

I'd remove the recon lasgun (making it a Vet specific weapon)

[ornate hamlet]

yeh. that I agree with as well. Lasguns should be vet specific anyway. imo

[long wharf]

in fact, I'd remove all non-pistol guns from the psyker

that way the psyker can always active quell

maybe we'll get a psyker class down the road that focuses on pistols, that'd be cool

[ornate hamlet]

I just thought. there is a psyker out there somewhere who runs 2 non force weapons xD

[long wharf]

as it is right now, a psyker not using a staff is not playing a psyker

they're just a budget veteran

[brave vale]

im fairly certain that 4 vets is optimal setup

[long wharf]

BB isn't good enough to actually build around

[clear heath]

the starting weapons of psyker forces you to not play psyker

[long wharf]

4 vetse is stupidly viable

[brave vale]

viable shoudlnt be the concern

[long wharf]

yeah, I hard agree that psyker should start with a trauma staff

[brave vale]

i dont like that viable is constantly being tossed around as a standard

Viable means possible

[ornate hamlet]

I actually like 2 Vets, 1 Ogryn with Shield and 1 Psyker.

[clear heath]

I'd take 2 vets 1 zealot 1 surge psyker as the dream team

[long wharf]

wrong, viable means very high likelihood of success

[brave vale]

no

viable doesnt mean that

it means capable

[ornate hamlet]

Shield Ogryn is great in a clutch tho

[long wharf]

but not necessary

[clear heath]

shield ogryn is a bad meme

[long wharf]

psykers love shield ogryns, but shield ogryns ultimately lower overall team dps

sometimes you find yourself in a situation where a shield ogryn is a godsend

[brave vale]

Capable and vialbe doesnt speak to balance

[ornate hamlet]

yeah but with 2 Vets and a good Psyker.... Shield Ogryn really rounds out everything nice. and 2 vets is plenty of DPS at all ranges

[clear heath]

psyker can block bullets anyways if you really want it
and actually still move

and not block your allied bullets

[long wharf]

but a coherent team with everyone paying attention can easily overcome most of the bullshit the game generates on damnation

[brave vale]

u could have no class abilities, and still be viable

why is viable constantly being used as the standard

its about balance

[clear heath]

shield ogryn can't even block bullets while reviving while psyker can
dumb ogryns

[ornate hamlet]

the ""coherent" team part is a funny meme. xD I cannot tell you how many times some dude just yeets himself off a ledge for no reason

[brave vale]

and role fulfillmnet

[long wharf]

honestly, ogryns ought to have their shield out while picking up players

[ornate hamlet]

I mean. ogryns are dumb. yes. this is actually lore accurate

[clear heath]

stupid ogryns running up to do the revive against gunners when i could've done it damageless as a psyker

[dawn orchid]

I believe the guy found it out through datamining

[ornate hamlet]

idk. I just like having an ogryn around. lol

[glacial abyss]

the player ogryns are unironically more intelligent than the usual ogryn

and they dont even got bone

https://tenor.com/view/cat-vape-juul-gif-19293187

[dawn orchid]

Debatable

[clear heath]

Idk, after leveling all classes and trying them all in damnation, i don't see a strong reason to play an ogryn.
Most of the time zealot does the same job of melee disruption without being a massive hitbox.
Shield is a meme
Ogryn guns are good but their entire feat tree is just close ranged stuff and you need to be close ranged to get toughness back

[dawn orchid]

Oh, you meant player ogryns and not ogryn players. My bad.

[manic needle]

https://preview.redd.it/d9l2518k648a1.png?width=960&format=png&auto=webp&s=7ca780093ad9fe7fa3e21e03937bfda3c97506d7

wtf is bottom right

[clear heath]

Ogryn is like decent an many things, but decent doesn't cut it when the class actually has downsides like being a massive hitbox that also blocks the team from shooting

[manic needle]

My man looks like a KFC mascot

[simple junco]

Ogryns can do things like move around and absorb teammate fire

[vagrant cedar]

joker psyker

[simple junco]

Pretty good stuff

[orchid nest]

thats our new clown outfit for after they nerf us again

[clear heath]

They actually need to be above average at combat to justify having downsides

[vagrant cedar]

perma skin that you won't be able to remove

[long wharf]

I always use the ogryn as a meat shield

[raw breach]

if that's the next premium psyker cosmetic, i'm quitting

[glacial abyss]

so did they update the store yet

im tired of these same old cosmetics i need a rotation every 1 minute

gonna make me fall asleep...

[long wharf]

tell you what though, that ogryn armor on the left with the hood, that looks great

that's a budget spacemarine right there

[glacial abyss]

nah psyker helmet in top center

[ornate hamlet]

Cant wait to play zealot ogryn

[glacial abyss]

how are none of u talking about it

that shit dripped out

[long wharf]

I want to know what staff the psyker in the middle-right is using

[long wharf]

yes, that top middle psyker outfit looks like it dripped out of my ass

[glacial abyss]

just a gen skin for all staffs if thats what u mean

unless u talking about lore!!!! idk!!!

[glacial abyss]

nah not the outfit i mean the actual head piece the collar

[long wharf]

the helmet with the wings?

[glacial abyss]

dripulox

[long wharf]

oh, well it looks like a skull-themed urinal

[hollow steeple]

I'm not sold on any of the psyker ones
bug peg leg vet and heavy armor ogryn are so good

[glacial abyss]

all the psyker ones go hard

especially top ones and right center

[long wharf]

into the trash bin

[hollow steeple]

they're not bad
they're just not my style

[glacial abyss]

https://tenor.com/view/kanye-dance-kanye-west-gif-5267333

[manic needle]

Psykers wear solar panels around their necks. Theyre environmentally conscious.

[long wharf]

he looks like he forgot how to moonwalk

[manic needle]

Honestly Im kinda amused by the Zealot Pyjammas in the lower middle

The one right next to Pious Vorn's outfit

[glacial abyss]

guh!???

[idle shuttle]

ill amuse u with my lower middle

[manic needle]

Nice.

[long wharf]

amusement is how you stay a virgin, yes?

[glacial abyss]

https://tenor.com/view/meme-vaporized-disintegrate-disintegration-no-fuck-off-gif-23578872

[iron cypress]

anyone notice the animal print pants on the ogryn?

[glacial abyss]

https://tenor.com/view/dr-manhattan-gif-18899941

[iron cypress]

everything was fine and then they added THAT

[long wharf]

or the obnoxious tiger print

[iron cypress]

tiger print where?

[hollow steeple]

I just need hazard stripes on a psyker outfit

DO NOT STEP ON PSYK

[dense frigate]

Cougar print increase speed

[long wharf]

the current psyker outfit has weird stripes on it

[hollow steeple]

(it's leopard print)

[long wharf]

maybe tiger print is the wrong phrase

[dense frigate]

Big cat print

[manic needle]

Pimp My Ogryn

[dense frigate]

[iron cypress]

Oh you're talking about that 70's rug pattern?

[long wharf]

is that what it is?

[glacial abyss]

https://tenor.com/view/doctor-manhattan-watchmen-marvel-gif-21030500

[idle shuttle]

that fuckin akilas shop

i wanted to buy a single item and it spent the whole 2400

[glacial abyss]

akilas!!!

[orchid nest]

leopard print

[dense frigate]

Ngl ive always wanted a soft cougar print rug in my bedroom

[idle shuttle]

the full psyker costume on release

[long wharf]

you clicked on the wrong thing

[glacial abyss]

he clicked on the wrong thing

[long wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/demolition-man-three-seashells-sylvester-stallone-sandra-bullock-rob-schneider-gif-16565400

[glacial abyss]

https://tenor.com/view/kaiju-gamescage-the-thing-akiyama-yakuza-gif-20601032

[idle shuttle]

you know they wanted me to click the wrong thing

[glacial abyss]

we know they wanted you to click the wrong thing

[idle shuttle]

i wanted pants and got full 5 pc bundle

cause all psyker has is a slew of skinny jeans

[glacial abyss]

https://tenor.com/view/absolutely-attack-cat-orange-cat-ratchet-gif-22677884

[idle shuttle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545066674358059025/1050265545779449966/Snapsave_1e8e5c64867ed3b3c49a3fdcf195aae7_540p.mp4

[summer wind]

Are new cosmetics out?

[manic needle]

Not out, just leaked

[summer wind]

Anyone got psyker?

[idle shuttle]

link?

[manic needle]

https://preview.redd.it/d9l2518k648a1.png?width=960&format=png&auto=webp&s=7ca780093ad9fe7fa3e21e03937bfda3c97506d7

[idle shuttle]

not liking that jungle psyker

[summer wind]

Watch it be yet another toilet

Omg

Actually good cosmetics

[manic needle]

I want to get the clown suit psyker for the memes

[idle shuttle]

borderline good and meh

[summer wind]

When's the next batch?

[manic needle]

Just put together the worst possible cosmetics together into a single outfit

[idle shuttle]

put vermintide maps in darktide

[manic needle]

when Darktide takes you to a pre-industrial world with an infestation of Xenos rat-people

[idle shuttle]

swear theres a rat line

[summer wind]

Ratling

[idle shuttle]

yeah

[summer wind]

Different thing

[idle shuttle]

unrelated

[glacial abyss]

creature

[near wyvern]

You can't show me this many cosmetics at the same time, my smooth brain is confused now and I can't tell which ones I like the most

[shut thorn]

The Psyker MTXs are pretty bad

Thank goodness the penance ones are good

[vagrant cedar]

suddenly the map pool went 5x

woahh

[proud mantle]

are you fucking kidding me