psyker-class

[wet gust]

Sorry and thanks

[lucid terrace]

No they can't.

[alpine portal]

they dont think they can

[woeful cliff]

New to me.

[lucid terrace]

Ogryns have a feat that makes them invincible.

[next pine]

Contrary to popular belief ogryns do indeed bleed

[woeful cliff]

I run the perk that gives me DR from having downed teammates on my Ogryn

[clear heath]

deflector psyker with peril block is gonna tank way more bullets than an ogryn's hp pool

[ebon wigeon]

one man killing machine

[woeful cliff]

W h a t

That's just a lie

[clear heath]

stand still in front of a few shotgunners as ogryn

[woeful cliff]

Shotgunners is the worst example

[celest hedge]

i've been playing more on heresy and I really can't wait to get barrage, alot of my time is spent dippig in and out of cover to pop a shooter from distance, over and over witha half second in between to vent enough overheat to be at 99% so charging won't kill me

[clear heath]

I mean, i'm talking about blocking bullets while reviving here.
Shotgunners are a very common example of this

[celest hedge]

BB is still popping the big enemies I'd want ot kill from a distance like bombers, bursters, and I think generally all scab ranged enemies

[next pine]

Psyker is VERY tanky with kinetic deflection and deflector

[robust meteor]

that one is easy. took me just 20 hours. when i completed it i just had to snort a line of kitchen cleaner. everything is fine

[woeful cliff]

Yeah but, Revives hardly take the time it takes a shotgunner to shoot twice.

[alpine portal]

any advice I want that one as well

[woeful cliff]

If there's 3 of them (And I'm trying to revive while facetanking them like an idiot) I still wont die.

[next pine]

Don't knock it till you try it

[robust meteor]

no. when i got it i was literally just trying to live on damnation

[next pine]

See but psykers won't take any health dmg

[alpine portal]

were you running feat 3 on 30 ?

[robust meteor]

yea i usually do now as a result

[clear heath]

It's also like, if someone's dead there probably is multiple shotgunners around them.
In all likelyhood, that's usually what kills them

[alpine portal]

pop pop pop ult pop pop pop?

[idle shuttle]

that 1st target..

[woeful cliff]

I can give you a pass if the only thing you play is Damnation, but on Heresy, shotgunners are rarely a threat beyond the occasional rip of my toughness.

[robust meteor]

ideal is getting 6 charges, quel to 50% and start

[wise pecan]

Have a veteran friend. Go into private heresy+ missions, have them press f to light up the elites in the first room. If you don’t see 5 gunners/shotgunners, throw the game and repeat. Took me 20 minutes

[robust meteor]

with peril reduction feat

[manic needle]

First target is cool for killing elites and specials, but hardly matters for horde clear

So the axe is still decent IMO

[robust meteor]

i mean quel to 50, ult, start

[alpine portal]

well... I would need frineds first lol

[clear heath]

shotgunners in damnation are pretty brutal imo

gunner resist curios also don't work on them

[wise pecan]

Yes the friend is the hardest part lol, might have luck in the LFG channel

[alpine portal]

Maybe Ill try next year lol, I have that and perils of the warp left... and the t4 missions

[woeful cliff]

140 toughness is the milestone for not taking health damage from a shotgunner at full right?

[clear heath]

more like 160 i think?

[woeful cliff]

160???

[clear heath]

zealot chat says 151 but they have damage resistance

[wise pecan]

I have a guide on steam for out with a bang, if you want me to send you that

[woeful cliff]

Maybe I take more damage than I commonly think because I just have so much HP as Ogryn

I run 500+

[clear heath]

hmm, i wonder how much of a medipack that eats up

[alpine portal]

that would be cool

[clear heath]

does anyone happen to know how much medipacks can heal?

[woeful cliff]

A lot lol

[robust meteor]

would be ez to figure out with a quick record in the grinder

[clear heath]

I've seen them get used up really fast from having 2 low hp ogryns near them

[robust meteor]

if we know the tick amount

[clear heath]

but
we can't take damage in the meat grinder

[woeful cliff]

No idea why they even give you medipacks in the grinder

[next pine]

Wait it's a set amount

[robust meteor]

is the heal % or flat? i dont even know that much

[clear heath]

actually yeah that's weird
why do we even have them?

[robust meteor]

i just see healing, go to healing

[next pine]

i thought it was just time based

[woeful cliff]

Nope, goes away much faster, I've noticed it playing my beefy ogryn

[clear heath]

well having multiple ogryns on the team caused it to run out before the team even got fully healed

so yeah

[wise pecan]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2904670927

[next pine]

aight

I learned a thing today

[woeful cliff]

It's flat

I think

[deft valley]

Merry christmas to all the psykers

[woeful cliff]

Otherwise it'd be really hard for me to die on top of a medipack

[robust meteor]

so 1-2k? 45-60 seconds?

might be longer than 60

[clear heath]

I feel like it's gotta be closer to 1k

maybe a bit less

[woeful cliff]

But, anyways, I can facetank a lot of things with 500+ HP, 112 toughness, and commonly 50+DR

Even on Damnation

[clear heath]

i bet you also eat entire medipacks

[robust meteor]

i guess? not sure how useful this would be

4 and 5 isn't much

[alpine portal]

but 15 and 12 is

[robust meteor]

i like my curios. sus this stack would be worth

my current curios

would be hard to roll those too

[clear heath]

If you want hp curios, that's a good curio.
Personally prefer toughness tho

[robust meteor]

hp/toughness/wound suites me

[subtle linden]

I like up

[robust meteor]

tried toughness stack. it was aight

[subtle linden]

Hp

[robust meteor]

had 45 toughness regen on with it which felt useless

[clear heath]

Toughness regen is reported to be bugged

supposedly it doesn't do anything

so that might explain why

[robust meteor]

i read its just the recovery time. not sure if thats even the case

[clear heath]

according to the bug report, it's not even doing that

[robust meteor]

fatshark, man

[clear heath]

but idk. They said they timed it but didn't show a video. no idea if it's true

[robust meteor]

i'm not a good programmer but like

you get it

[clear heath]

beta never ends

[robust meteor]

my real self was telling my hyped self "you're going to be disappointed"

i literally had cognitive dissonance over this game

[idle bay]

I'm jumping between 2 states when playing Darktide:
In Mission - *happy purging noises *
In Morningstar Existence is meaningless , everything sucks

[robust meteor]

pretty accurate tbh

[idle bay]

Like 2 different teams developed those parts

[clear heath]

Darktide is a fun beta

game barely functions but i have over 200 hours

[weary wasp]

whats the deal with spamming uncharged secondary on void? shit's just painful to watch

[clear heath]

pew pew

[alpine portal]

panic trying to get space

[weary wasp]

its been like that for a whole game

[robust meteor]

uh hey, so when do we get time to redesign our social hub?can you just make a lot of pipes everywhere and copy pasta that shield engraving on all the walls?

[weary wasp]

well match

[clear heath]

rapid firing with quell canceling is pretty fun

[idle bay]

That's the only way to use Void.

[weary wasp]

i would disagree after maxing out 30 seconds kill count with void charges

[night marten]

lmao, just tried to post a screenshot of a tattoo, was shushed by the bot

can't have normal, covered body parts, oh no

[robust meteor]

i feel like your about to punch something really hard like anime punch something

[night marten]

anyways, does this look like an Unchained tattoo to anyone else?

[robust meteor]

is that yours

[clear heath]

I was thinking unchained when i saw it yeah

[night marten]

Sienna yea

[robust meteor]

that is your arm?

[night marten]

no

character in darktide

[alpine portal]

the bot did not think so

[clear heath]

lmao

[robust meteor]

i'm disappointed. that would be badass on someones arm

[night marten]

never got a tattoo, tough coming up with a gaming idea that I would want permanently

[robust meteor]

should have said it was your arm, you dolt

you would get 40k celeb status until an uber nerd called you out

[night marten]

though the black hand/morag tong from elder scrolls series were decent candidates

[patent ledge]

finally

got all 4 characters to 30

[clear heath]

nice

[patent ledge]

what do i do now

[clear heath]

which one is your favourite/least favourite?

[night marten]

now you can play the game

[clear heath]

get all penances, do every stage in damnation

[patent ledge]

fav: psyker cuz im a psyker main lol

[robust meteor]

people with 4 30's. i'm sitting here with close to 300 hours on one character

[patent ledge]

least fav: Ogryn, surprisingly

not my playstyle

:c

[clear heath]

wow those picks are the same as mine

[alpine portal]

any one else think psyker got the short end on cosmetics?

[clear heath]

I just don't like ogryn because ogryn melee feels worse than just playing zealot
cool guns tho

[night marten]

no, unless you mean cash shop. did you not like having a toilet bowl helmet?

[robust meteor]

from the store, yea kind of. from penances? they are top tier

[patent ledge]

i just feel like ogryn's melee is a bit slow but kinda make sense why it'd be slow

[clear heath]

yeah but ogryn should really do more melee damage

[patent ledge]

just not my playstyle overall

[clear heath]

his arms are the size of your body

[alpine portal]

both actually, I purchased the subject cosmetic. I hated the navy style of the other ones....

[robust meteor]

i watched an ogryn take down a damnation horde spawn 1vEverything with the billy club

[night marten]

our penance gear is arguably the best. i've received compliments about "drip" and "looking sick" multiple times

[robust meteor]

it was impressive

[alpine portal]

probbly becasue no one has it lol

[robust meteor]

he didn't block ONCE

crazy

[night marten]

now I'm just memeing

[patent ledge]

the knockback and range of the melee for ogryn is really good

plus the rumbler with its heavy special is great also

especially if you have bleed perk

[robust meteor]

i put on some mid gear when joining a party then switch over to all black just for the lulz

have to keep myself entertained

[alpine portal]

I like going in in prison cloths and carry the team

[patent ledge]

but i wanna see them lightning and fire tho

[robust meteor]

nah prison uniform is obv smurf

dead giveaway

[night marten]

still want to make an alt that's named "workingfromhome" who wears dripped out chest and head pieces with prison pajama pants all the time

[patent ledge]

tbh i want an option NOT to wear a shirt

[robust meteor]

you say "yea i pug a few damnation once in a while"

[patent ledge]

so we can show them tattoos

[alpine portal]

ive seen the zelots t4 with 75% health thing its pretty sweet tooo

[patent ledge]

ill prolly try cosplaying as the psyko from borderlands if ever shirtless body goes live

[robust meteor]

god i had to delete that message

[alpine portal]

I kinda wish, I mean all those cool tats get covered

[patent ledge]

the most you could show is the arms

which is sad since i like some of the body tattoos

[alpine portal]

yah whats the point?

[alpine portal]

id kinda like to see a pack with the prison uniform incorporated.

[patent ledge]

i'd imagine alot of players in the hub be going shirtless if it'll go live lol

[alpine portal]

like chains, or a vetren with the prison suff under the armor

[sour stirrup]

So for anyone following my journey into using Laceration, it works the same in mission as it does in syk

[idle shuttle]

UH OH

caps

is there a way to buy back what you bartered

i think i deleted my void staff by accident

[alpine portal]

.....

[patent ledge]

i dont think so

[alpine portal]

.... ...

[idle shuttle]

was deleting lasguns

[night marten]

nope.

[idle shuttle]

damn

good thing I dont like voidstaff

[sour stirrup]

Super fun dying as the second daemonhost target when I didn't wake the damn thing up

So yeah

Laceration doesn't behave weird in Psyk, and can help reach important breakpoints for BB

Which is nice

When you aren't dead

Because the Veteran threw a grenade at the daemonhost

[alpine portal]

he though it was a good idea

[sour stirrup]

Yeah that threw the mission

gj that guy

[robust meteor]

i live in a city. its 14 degrees. i hear a motorcycle hitting the rev limiter

do they want to die?

[sour stirrup]

For the Emperor, sure I suppose.

[robust meteor]

Joyrider, the expert. ty for chiming in

[fierce sinew]

They live in a city and it's 14 degrees, I'd want to die too

[night marten]

balmy 50 degrees here

[alpine portal]

20 weak spot kills in a row any advice

[sour stirrup]

Just doing my part as a casual Thousand Sons enjoyer.

[night marten]

void staff

poxwalkers

hallway

[sour stirrup]

To add to the previous, the smelter repair mission at the final holdout is great for this.

[alpine portal]

i got 19...

and if i had one more id have a charm

[alpine portal]

ill give that a shot.

[robust meteor]

as a man, i had someone mansplain to me how to start a drift. the same man i coached on how to ride dirt on an mx bike.

i said yea man, i know what you mean 3x

[sour stirrup]

I feel that

Which of the axes is good for Psyker?

[alpine portal]

antax mk V with brutal momentum?

[sour stirrup]

Hm

[alpine portal]

atrix nk II with brutal momentum?

[sour stirrup]

I would like to have one game where the ummm

Where the team doesn't run off and get dead without support

https://puu.sh/JuWi2/be10fd6657.jpg

Also this is the first time I've seen this happen

[ionic island]

ABRAHAM LINCOLN?

[sour stirrup]

And he has an axe

[ionic island]

that he does

[sour stirrup]

...and he went down to a sniper

[orchid nest]

kind of late but I got this with bb lmao. was before launch though, no idea if still works

void much easier though for sure

[alpine portal]

it does

[orchid nest]

[stray warren]

So is there any realistic way to get Malleus Monstronum without being in a 4stack?

[orchid nest]

I saw someone say they did it with 2 in private. other person shield ogryn. look for daemonhost in the beginning, psyker moves far away with line of sight so the bots teleport to them and don't attack it

[stray warren]

Ooh thats an interesting tactic

[orchid nest]

other than that, you can get it in a pug for sure if you just ask and someone is there to tank it

[stray warren]

Well good to know thats an option, thanks you!

A friendly Ogryn literally just helped me get it lmao

[night marten]

be amazed how many friendly pugs you find if you bother to ask

[crisp storm]

how do we feel about terrifying barrage on fire stick?

[night marten]

not best in slot, but not worthless I don't think

[crisp storm]

hmm gotcha

I think that people are/were very excited about the crit blessing?

[night marten]

crit chance, warp nexus

[sour stirrup]

https://puu.sh/JuWlR/3e1d2567fd.jpg

I was given an interesting gun

[night marten]

push f, blast em

[sour stirrup]

Seeing as I'm the gun psyker person now, yeah I might

[jagged vessel]

Someone have a easy way to finish "Going Out With a Bang" penance? :/
I've done this challenge in 3 * but doesnt (x_x) count after so many hours try with random mates

[real fox]

Hi all! Need help with penitence "Going Out With a Bang", I'd like some help with achievement. - downing myself next to 3 elite enemies and killing them with an explosion. the ideal would be a private session where a player attracts the elites to me and takes care of the hordes while I explode on the 3 elites 🙂 Will help with yours achievements in return should you need some 🙂

[placid sorrel]

vet here, love u psykers

https://tenor.com/view/unlimited-power-starwars-star-wars-emperor-gif-7513769

[night marten]

https://media.tenor.com/ShzdJcrguswAAAAC/burn-elmo.gif

[fierce sinew]

find one of the triple rager spawns, let them close on you, love tap them with uncharged surge to hold them in place+build peril+bring them below threshold

blow up

[jagged vessel]

Time to charge warp vet and ogryn kill elite every time xD

[fierce sinew]

getting a cooperative group is pretty key yeah

[jagged vessel]

Yep ..

But this challenge have bug no ?

[fierce sinew]

vet are good if they're using the right wallhack, you can see your chance and ask nicely in chat to let you have them

before you engage

[jagged vessel]

I really wonder why they made us challenges that make us want to uninstall so much

[fierce sinew]

I do think penances that specifically reward play that would otherwise be considered antisocial/trolling are unfortunate design

but sometimes it just be like that

[tacit stirrup]

why is psyker the most fun to play

[near wyvern]

Cause it's not for you?

[tacit stirrup]

its not for me?

[fierce sinew]

stop having fun

no fun allowed

[tacit stirrup]

fak

[drowsy fog]

god most of the shop was sub 300 merry christmas fatshark

[sour stirrup]

I got a 350+ Autogun and Devil's Claw

Merry Christmas nerds

[near wyvern]

I have 379 devil's claw but the heavies on it are just too slow

It can 1 shot groaner and pox walker heads but with the slow speed it's just not making the cut fast enough

[fierce sinew]

melk gave me this for christmas

when surge crit gets fixed we're gaming

[jagged vessel]

really hope they change that later

[fierce sinew]

armored heretics tremble

[cyan notch]

surge crit works fine for me

[stuck basalt]

dont crit is visual bug

[near wyvern]

I am still waiting for Melk to actually show something worth a buy

Usually it's 320 stats shit blessings

[fierce sinew]

I'm hopeful too, the fact that they've already changed them some means they're at least open to be reasoned with about it

[vital bough]

At least for me, the purple's have higher base stats pretty often compared to the orange stuff Melk sells.

[alpine portal]

merry Christmas spark heads. I'm going to bed. may the emperor bring you many gifts to assist the purge

[jagged vessel]

I hope the challenges will change too because I won't stay like this for long despite I really like the game :/

[idle shuttle]

fuck I wonder how good that staff I deleted was

never screenshotted it

it was from big E

a legendary

[magic burrow]

merry Christmas fellow Psykers

[devout dagger]

Is there any variations with force swords? I havent played enough psker yet but I'm considering going gun psker if things go bleh

[devout dagger]

especially for people not on 4 stacks

[near wyvern]

Gun psyker is playable but far behind surge, purge and void.

There simply are no feats that scale with it.

Your best options are the infantry lasgun variants (Mk IV, Mk 1a and Mk XII) due to the ammo economy.

If you do go gun psyker, force sword or Mk V axe are your only choices for the melee

[cunning goblet]

So there's two different damage perks you can get, +range damage and +damage. When you have a +damage stat does that get applied to the ranged abilities or just the special attack?

For the staffs*

[near wyvern]

For the staves you always get +ranged damage

Forget the staff special attack. There is no use for it.

Weapon switching to melee is instant. You can switch to melee and get an attack out before your staff special lands, not to talk about the negligible single target damage it does.

[cunning goblet]

No I have a surge staff with +20 damage to flak and +10 ranged damage to elites

And the ranged damage is a tier 4 perk, damage perk is a tier 3

[near wyvern]

The +armour damage applies to all damage you deal while wielding the weapon

[fierce sinew]

the tier 3 version of the elite damage perk is 8%

[near wyvern]

@cunning goblet

This includes any soulblaze ticks as well.

[fierce sinew]

you just got a better roll there

[cunning goblet]

So then it's way better to roll just the +damage over the the +range damage then?

or sorry opposite of that

Because +damage can go up to +25

[fierce sinew]

all the damage you're doing with the staff is ranged damage

[cunning goblet]

That's what I'm asking, is if the +damage perk applies to ranged attacks on the surge staff

[cyan notch]

of course

[fierce sinew]

the difference in magnitudes is to do with the kinds of category you're getting the bonus against

yes

bonuses against armor (or lack thereof) types are bigger than bonuses against whole categories of enemy

[near wyvern]

I would roll the +20 flak into +25 flak. After 99 Diamantine and 299 plasteel spent the rolling becomes free.

But it's a matter of playstyle and personal taste

[fierce sinew]

whether that makes sense from a balance perspective in light of some of the former including more enemies than the latter is questionable

[cunning goblet]

But see wouldn't it be better to roll the +10 ranged damage against elites into say a +25% damage against carapace?

[cyan notch]

up to u theres like 2 enemies with carapace

[fierce sinew]

maniac is better coverage than carapace if you roll the other one

unless you're really concerned specifically with the few carapace enemies, which is fair enough

[spiral remnant]

gee thanks

[cunning goblet]

It's just that the surge staff is so good against carapace enemies so rolling a good damage modifier would be nice for that right?

[near wyvern]

Surge always hits body shots. That means the only carapace target you can hit is a crusher.

Mauler has flak body.

Do you really want to buff the damage just against a single enemy type?

Which you can anyways perma stun with the staff

[cunning goblet]

Oh ok I didn't think of that

[cyan notch]

up to you what you feel like prioritising

[cunning goblet]

Is the armoured maniacs body also flak?

[cyan notch]

yes

[cunning goblet]

Ok I see

[teal needle]

Flak is just an all round good thing to have + damage against

[fierce sinew]

maniac gives you mutant, flamers, trappers and ragers

vs just the crusher that carapace gives you

[ornate hamlet]

Merry Christmas, freaks.

[cunning goblet]

Does the extra damage against maniacs similar to the damage perk for elites where it only rolls up to like 10 instead of 25?

[fierce sinew]

no

maniac is an armor type

like flak, carapace etc

[cunning goblet]

Ohhhh ok

[fierce sinew]

so the tier 3 is 20 and and the tier 4 is 25

[near wyvern]

Yes for damage vs armour type

[cunning goblet]

I'm conflicted if I should roll the +10% damage to elites to an armour type or if I should just roll the +20% damage to flak armour enemies to +25%

[near wyvern]

With +25 flak and +10 elite damage and the Psyker aura, you have

+25% damage against scab shooters (2 out of 3 ranged mobs)

• 25% damage against scab bruisers (the clubbers with no helm)

+45% damage against Maulers, Scab Ragers, Dreg and Scab Gunners as well as shotgunners

+20% damage against Dreg Ragers, Bulwarks, Reapers and Crushers

That's quite a lot of things

[cunning goblet]

Ya I think I'll roll to 20 into a 25

[fierce sinew]

just a matter of what you want to prioritize/the specific staff and what breakpoints you care about

[idle shuttle]

damn , shoulda got that dueling sword with rampage in shop

how viable is it to slash 3 times and cast out a spell though..

youll have half a second

for rampage to still be up

the 17% boost

[daring crown]

how important is damage on a purge staff?

[warped oyster]

I'm losing my goddamn mind over the Pick N Mix penance.

[daring crown]

i wonder if its worth upgrading

[sour bison]

fuk

[teal needle]

I found it easiest to do in heresy, just any old room with a lot of dudes. The best way is bb > f > bb > bb > bb > bb

[idle bay]

Having Warp Charges and Peril Resist for Charges feat helps as well before starting it,

[teal needle]

I didn't even try for it unless there were gunners honestly

[digital narwhal]

Same

I got close to doing it last night

I'm 4/5

Veterans kept taking the 5th specialist

each

time

[wise pecan]

Pick n mix isn’t that bad if you have a vet buddy to run private matches with

[vestal rose]

I do love the way veterans stick to the lore in this game
we truly only have the rejects that couldn't make it in the guard

[wise pecan]

Can just reroll the first room over and over

[warped oyster]

Guess who are polluting the heresy/damnation high intensity missions... only psykers. only psykers. Fat Shark literally making a heresy of a penance that it literally screws up all public lobbies.

[digital narwhal]

I dunno what the devs were thinking with a lot of these penances

[fierce sinew]

they must think psykers tunnel visioning on brainburst, zealots speedrunning away alone looking for the sub-20 minute run, ogryn charging into danger on purpose and vets throwing their grenades in the sky adds flavor and excitement

[vestal rose]

long bomb isn't a bad penance
make every shot count, though

[viscid cloak]

i got it naturally by just playing gunsyker with the last feat buffing the brain burst for 10s

[fierce sinew]

yeah, I'm just more perplexed at the ones that incentivize play patterns that are normally suboptimal or outright bad than the ones that just demand normal play executed at an abnormally high level

[digital narwhal]

Also, Ogryn’s Penance to charge into 6 Ogryn enemies at once.

Gotta have some wacky spawns for that

[warped oyster]

It's literally impossible to solo complete the game without any outside help or friend help.

[olive ember]

its bad but the idea is to run KB trait at lvl 30 and wait for a gunner pack. Probably need a premade that is willing to sit there and keep the trash off you as you focus gunners. Kill one gunner, then immediately press F and kill the next 4 within the KB window. This will take you about 8 of the 12 seconds giving you 4 seconds of leeway

[digital narwhal]

You shouldn’t be forced to use feats for penances

[olive ember]

def.... do-able.... solo or with a pug but less likely as you get swarmed by normal shooters, trash, etc. solo or the pug players kill the gunners

[warped oyster]

That's if stuff doesn't bug out. I hear quell is buggy.

[olive ember]

I mean you shouldn't really need to quell ever

you are only killing on enemy before pressing F

which will automatically vent you back down to 0

never seen it bug out

[warped oyster]

If not quell, then really the brain burst changes to a non-elite.

[olive ember]

to be fair unless you are running purge you should always be running KB anyways kek

[digital narwhal]

BB targeting is the biggest issue

[olive ember]

they nerfed it from the closed beta

they nerfed BB in general from closed beta and idk why

it used to one shot maulers in uprising atleast, now even in sedition it takes two shots

it also used to stun whoever you casted it at, now it takes half a charge to stun

and even then its not as strong as before

like I remember being able to stop ragers mid animation by starting a BB on them

[digital narwhal]

Fatshark try not to nerf Psyker again challenge (Impossible)

[viscid cloak]

The targeting on leftclick is really shit, but for some reason the targeting on the right click is alot more accurate when you have a target marked

[warped oyster]

Brain burst should automatically lock onto elites/specialists within the crowd of mobs... but that's just me. Fat Shark thought otherwise.

[olive ember]

and then they screwed the tracking, it used to be alot more consistent and prioritized elites etc. over trash

now it just locks onto poxwalkers randomly

[olive ember]

it used to do that

back in closed beta

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXbthxPgk7M

^^ closed beta damnation. Also back when pressing F vented 100% of peril

they had a decent enough kit and then they just screwed it up because "oh we don't want the BB class designed around BB to BB all the time"

[digital narwhal]

They need to

unnerf Psyker

[warped oyster]

They've nerfed psyker to the point, no one really wants a psyker on their team for damnation runs.

[wise pecan]

Ehhh, feats are free to switch around anyways. I don’t mind some penances basically just being a showcase for a feat

[olive ember]

I mean psykers are useful... but how you play the class just

you don't BB, you don't really deal with elites, you are basically just support

[warped oyster]

nah, worse than support. You become more of a liability than support.

[daring crown]

they just need to adjust BB to do as much damage as in t3s for t4/5

[warped oyster]

The only thing "good" about psyker is they don't have to use ammo at all, but that's about it.

[olive ember]

tbh sounds like you been playing with bad psykers then

[warped oyster]

Don't get me wrong. I've had a good psyker or two.

[olive ember]

imo the preferred team comp is ogryn, two vets, and a psyker

[grizzled shoal]

the lvl 30 feat that buffs brain burst

[warped oyster]

But psyker is a very precise class with a need for a precise setup with weapons and curios.

[spiral lion]

but i want burn everything with warp fire...

[grizzled shoal]

give me a dueling sword with a purgatus and im set

[olive ember]

I mean I run surge psyker tho, i don't really run purge

so the idea is that ogryn can deal with horde, powersword vets supplement, and then for elites/specials you have a psyker who can CC stun lock them while vets deal with them as well

[covert cosmos]

bb with that lv30 feat is quite strong

[olive ember]

it... really isn't

lvl 30 makes BB useable

thats about it

its the "fuck theres a sniper and my vet is getting swarmed" button

[warped oyster]

So, you're saying brain burst is just suppose to... just give elites/specialists headaches and not kill them, so vets can kill them. nice.

[olive ember]

you don't used BB past malice

as a rule atleast ^^

you only use it

for snipers bombers, gunners, etc.

[warped oyster]

And the penance defies that rule.

[covert cosmos]

i use it all the time in damnation

everyone else i see also uses it all the time

[olive ember]

you really shouldn't

[blissful torrent]

hi

[olive ember]

idk what you are killing that you use BB all the time

[covert cosmos]

gunners, shotgunners, snipers, bombers

[blissful torrent]

what melee weapon do you use mainly with your psyker?

[olive ember]

I run FS

tho you can run alot of things

dueling sword, force sword, antax all work

well those are the big 3

[digital narwhal]

I mean, I perform well in T4 and T5 with my Purgatus/Force Sword set up

[olive ember]

and then to a lesser extent you can also run devil claw, combat knife (only for movement)

[covert cosmos]

why shouldnt i use bb

[blissful torrent]

ok

[covert cosmos]

to kill the pack of shotgunners that just spawned

[digital narwhal]

Private Match it

[olive ember]

yea.... I got a premade in LFG to help me with that rip

sounds like you got vets with a skill issue then if you are able to BB an entire pack of shotgunners

[digital narwhal]

Because Veteran can do it 5x faster

[spiral lion]

when elite close enough i just burn them. BB currently only if i spot some as*ole sitting across the room/field like in that new mission with comm-plex, when gunner spawn on balconies.

[digital narwhal]

:(

[warped oyster]

Purg staff, and have a zealot speedrun through the map and die, all the elites/specialists start rushing in. Have an ogryn shield up. Burn them a little bit starting at around 85 peril already. and then blow up.

[olive ember]

yeah thats a big rip

i got lucky and found a group but because of that I also spent from 12 AM to 6 AM for the penance lol

[covert cosmos]

what if my vet

is locked down?

or doesn't have vision?

[olive ember]

well yes, but in what situation tho

idk what team comp you are running

but if you only have one vet the nwhat are the other two people doing

[covert cosmos]

supressed due to enemy ranged fire. or simply doesn't have vision

[digital narwhal]

Get an Ogryn to protect them

[olive ember]

its one of those things where idk what your team comp is what you guys are running etc.

[covert cosmos]

or i could just

kill them myself

[olive ember]

but typically the vet should be up and running to kill every special or elite

[covert cosmos]

it costs nothing for me

[grizzled shoal]

go on lfg, ask for an ogryn with shield

[covert cosmos]

you have 2 vets in your group?

[olive ember]

My group yes

[grizzled shoal]

then kill yourself

[olive ember]

but even in pugs

well

[covert cosmos]

thats is a lot of elite killing power, of course you aren't going to need bb

[olive ember]

we don't talk about pugs

[covert cosmos]

in randoms you will need it

if you didn't already have 2 people on elites

you would want it

[olive ember]

i've ran 3 vets one psyker damnation before so yeah all killing power zero CC kek

[grizzled shoal]

get ragers

spam push attack on force sword

[olive ember]

tbf "optimal play" with randoms is just a shitshow in general

and yeah you start to get a feel for when you use BB when you play long enough but for newer players its better if they don't used BB and only used staves than the latter

[grizzled shoal]

me as a veteran with one wound left watching the zealot with 80% health take the last medicae

[olive ember]

BB is in the weird spot where its useless on difficulty 1 and 2 because everything is too squishy, and its not good difficulty 4 and 5 because everything is too tanky, so difficulty 3 is where its... useable

without KB atleast

[olive ember]

just run 3 +1 wounds bozo

XD

[grizzled shoal]

eww wtf no

[olive ember]

XD idk what you mean

3 +1 wounds is totally

meta

yep yep

[grizzled shoal]

i take toughness

[olive ember]

I run max hp

I think two max hp and one wound

so my psyker is sitting comfy at 210 hp with 3 wounds instead of 2 on heresy+

[grizzled shoal]

i long for 3 toughness with toughness regeneration

[olive ember]

I mean i'm fine with toughness regen but idk how useful extra toughness is currently

[grizzled shoal]

om veteran

[olive ember]

oh

on vet

yeah probably XD

[covert cosmos]

extra toughness is great. but if you have to sacrifice health for it...

[olive ember]

on psyker base a damnation shooter strips your toughness in like 2 shots, so i feel like stacking toughness on psyker is pointless, just gives you maybe one more shots worth of protection

[grizzled shoal]

so be it

i stack all health

[olive ember]

I throw in one wound so BS doesn’t immediately cripple me

Like getting a random invisible sniper laser event

[covert cosmos]

i do notice a difference with stacking toughness, but i would rather have health to clutch out bad situations where toughness of any amount wouldn't save me

[digital narwhal]

Or when a Pox Burster spawns out of the door your team is next to and immediately detonates with no sound cue :D

[wise pecan]

One wound meta, just to avoid the damn desaturation effect

[covert cosmos]

damn i didnt even think of that

[olive ember]

Lmao

[grizzled shoal]

all stamina is the meta

[olive ember]

I actually run all stam on my zealot lmao

[grizzled shoal]

why

[olive ember]

Prob should swap out to max hp but the grind reee

Because I was running antax and more stam means more push attacks

[grizzled shoal]

i would take toughness on zeal

[olive ember]

Pretty sure zealot takes max hp

[grizzled shoal]

chastise the wicked

[olive ember]

Same thought process as psyker basicslly

Only person who runs toughness is vet with that ludicrous 200 base

[grizzled shoal]

get all your toughness back on chastise the wicked

[olive ember]

Every else stacking toughness is like 1 extra shooter shot on damnation

Also it’s only 50% from zealot F now pretty sure

[grizzled shoal]

zealot health is useless since ill still be going low for the extra damage

and speed

[olive ember]

🤔 you actually go for that? Most zealots I see build around healing back up

With holy wte it’s called

[grizzled shoal]

holy revenant is still useful

[olive ember]

I mean the big problem with zealot is that i don’t really like any of their melee options lmao

[grizzled shoal]

power sword shouldn't have higher cleave than heavy chainsword

[olive ember]

I tried the taxe and it’s meh for me, the antax just feels worse on zealot than psyker, and I’m not a fan of the TH or eviscerator

[left mirage]

what's the max gunner resist you can roll on a curio? 20%?

[olive ember]

I think so?

[left mirage]

alright, guess ill throw away some more plasteel

[olive ember]

It’s free eventually if you cope hard enough

[left mirage]

true

[covert cosmos]

heavy sword is my fav zealot melee wep now

with headtaker it's probably the 2nd best horde clearing wep, behind the ogryn mk3 cleaver

[sour bison]

welp

[wise quail]

Oh god I'm gonna groan

[olive ember]

gotta roll a good heavy sword with good traits tho

💀

[covert cosmos]

heavy sword with good cleave but no headtaker does the job atleast

it will take 1(maybe 2?) extra lights to kill poxwalkers

not sure why headtaker on hs specifically is such a massive dmg increase

fatshark works in mysterious ways

[buoyant mantle]

I saw a perfect rolled 380 crit soulflame FS and then I realized I have 25 mission weekly

[olive ember]

run sedition with knife

and pray the pug is also speed runners

and yeah

or ask for premade in LFG but you can get a difficulty 1 mission done in maybe 10-15 min

if you run through it

its still bad but not as bad

[buoyant mantle]

that was yesterday at middle of the night

it's already too late
fucking shift make me missed it

[glass thistle]

need help for "going out with a bang"

enough ruin pubs game

[hexed pasture]

which staffs are the best?

I like the surge cos lightning

[digital narwhal]

Surge for Crowd Control
Purgatus for Burn DPS and Horde Clear
Voidstrike for General Purpose

Trauma for pain and suffering

[rich meteor]

luckily surge staff is the most op weapon in the game, so that's a good pick!:)

[digital narwhal]

Voidstrike > Surge

[glass thistle]

need help for "going out with a bang"

[rich meteor]

i guess depends on difficulty. but yea surge most op weapon

[digital narwhal]

With Surge you’re reliant on your teammates to kill things you stun

You can’t kill things properly with Surge

[vagrant cedar]

hope you get stuck under the map

[rich meteor]

luckily it's a team game and you usually have a bunch of vets etc on ur team, so yes surge still most op

[vagrant cedar]

i bet you play engy on tf2

[glass thistle]

going out with a bang, any tips

[vagrant cedar]

i bet you play molly in drg if you think surge is the best op

[idle bay]

Anti-depressants have them at hands reach

And good shrink after

[glass thistle]

i just keep explo in pubs and still cant get it

and ppl wont help with stun or anything

[idle bay]

Use LFG to find team that will assist you in herding elites into one spot for you to blow up. Gunners and Shotgunners are best to do it on. Voice communication helps a lot as well

[glass thistle]

they just say yes, and help thing or still kill all lites on sight

[wise pecan]

@pine fractal I have a guide for it up on steam

[rich meteor]

how is it even a discussion im not saying surge is fun or the dmg is great, but it's literally just insane on heresy+ the ability to perma cc 6 elites

[glass thistle]

and i hate we cant have private room alone

[wise pecan]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2904670927

[vagrant cedar]

most difficult? I'm pretty sure most people are unaware of it lol

[wise pecan]

Hey, I’m just going by Steam stats :P

[vagrant cedar]

can you show me where on steam it says "the most difficult" 👀

[vagrant cedar]

yes

rarest

not the hardest

👀

[wise pecan]

I imagine it’s rarest because, given the exact same barrier to entry as gone bowling, it’s just harder

[vagrant cedar]

damn, these achievements are crazy

[wise pecan]

It’s maybe not as hard as pick n mix or that one ammo one, but heresy penances aren’t tracked by steam

[vagrant cedar]

only 60% have achieved level 12

only 25% achieved level 30

[idle bay]

Author of those penances must step barefooted on lego and 1d4 dice a lot. I wish it for him for XMAS

He clearly likes suffering - so he will like my wish 🙂

[wise pecan]

His feet must already be calloused and durable, like a rubber sole

[plucky perch]

huh, so the crit bonus for the surge staff effects the blaze bolt primary, making the staff more versatile against unarmoured then i originaly though

[cyan notch]

yea it says that on the crit bonus stat

[plucky perch]

for some reasons was assuming thatonly applied to the secondary fire X3

[shut thorn]

the crit dmg is less than it would be normally

[plucky perch]

compared to other force staffs or the secondary fire? cause i just compared it to the trauma and void rig and its crit damage is on par for the primaries

[shut thorn]

surge dmg's secondary dmg is off of crit_mod which overrides the default of 1

[plucky perch]

gotcha gotcha ty for clarifying

[shut thorn]

crit dmg is damage + damage * crit_mod

surge staff's crit_mod table is pretty awful

[plucky perch]

ahhh

yeah it is

[shut thorn]

it used to do great damage against flak because they forgot to override it

[plucky perch]

just now figured to look

[shut thorn]

the funniest one is crits against "armored" targets

it just makes the text yellow

the crit_mod is 0

[plucky perch]

yeah so theres only like a 30% crit damage boost on my staffs...what in the heck is fat shark thinking making a crit centric staff then gutting its crit

[shut thorn]

they likely did it because surge damages in ticks of like 3-5

but

[summer prairie]

I see surge crit all the time against armored for real damage

[shut thorn]

the crit rng is per tick

which means you crit once out of the 3 so your crit only did like 30% dmg, they probably intendeed it to crit every tick if its critted once

[plucky perch]

thats even worse XD

no wonder no psykers use this for anyhting other then cc

well and crusher smiting

[shut thorn]

before sprint cancel fix and the flak armor entry in its file

it used to be really good

[warped perch]

Merry Christmas siblings

[summer prairie]

just now the left click did 433 against a mauler

[shut thorn]

would nuke maulers/gunners within a few ms

[plucky perch]

ooooh the crit on left click is fully applying

[summer prairie]

occasionally I see it only changing the text color but there are real crits too

[plucky perch]

and buffing

[shut thorn]

we're talking about rmb, flak armor is also not armored

[plucky perch]

the left click is good but they so need to fix the right click, among the many other psyker fixes needed XD

[summer prairie]

so you mean carapace?

[plucky perch]

i think ill run it for the cc and anti armour and killer left click though

[cyan notch]

i dont think surge whatever crit mod just replaces it

[summer prairie]

because right click also crits for real damage on carapace

[shut thorn]

n o

have you even looked around the meat grinder?

[shut thorn]

it's already been tested multiple times

[summer prairie]

Have you?

[shut thorn]

Yes

[summer prairie]

clearly not

[shut thorn]

???????

You don't even know that "armored" is an enemy armor type

Lmao

[hexed pasture]

the "Beloved" is the star child, you can't convince me otherwise

[summer prairie]

just 5 minutes ago you were saying the left click doesn't benefit from the crit either

[shut thorn]

proof

rn

[hexed pasture]

you two aren't being very jolly and full of cheer rn

[vagrant cedar]

@shut thorn you seem smart in the field of Tide, got a question

if i use Purge staff, and it was those "factors" for extra dmg on "flak" etc

[summer prairie]

he was saying his left click on surge is better due to the crit bonus

[vagrant cedar]

does the dmg from right click affects if i "target" that specific flak armor body part

[summer prairie]

and you went on to say it's less than it would be normally

[cyan notch]

this doesnt seem like 23.7% to me

[vagrant cedar]

or i can spray it everywhere and it will give more dmg?

[shut thorn]

no warpfire works on base armor type from what I've seen in the code

[vagrant cedar]

so as long as the enemy has flak armor, it gives the bonus right?

🤔 so flak and maniac probably the best two then

[shut thorn]

turn off feats

[shut thorn]

Should, but it's fatshark code

So who knows

I'm still confused as to why warp flurry only stacks once

[cyan notch]

?? what feats

[shut thorn]

armor mod for warpfire

[shut thorn]

Go test again on a mauler as is the norm

[shut thorn]

this is the dmg from the staff directly, not stacks of soulblaze

[cyan notch]

doesnt seem like 23.7% either

[shut thorn]

then it's been fixed, go test against armoured

not flak armoured or carapace

just armoured

[cyan notch]

huh

what enemy is that

[shut thorn]

iirc some of the gunners

don't remember off the top of my head but I distinctly remember there being 'armoured' in meat grinder

armor dmg modifiers for surge, getting the lerp values rn

[cyan notch]

theyre all flak

[shut thorn]

lerp_0_35 = {
0.207,
0.494
},
lerp_1_5 = {
1.035,
1.965
},
lerp_1 = {
0.67,
1.33
},
lerp_0_75 = {
0.48,
1.02
},

[cyan notch]

idk what this im supposed to do with this

[shut thorn]

If you think I'm just posting for you, you're off your rocker

[cyan notch]

lol

sure then go ahead post it for whoever you were actually talking to

anyway crits seem fine on surge they definitely are hitting for roughly the values in the attack breakdown tab

[shut thorn]

Hope it's not just a fluke, I had tested earlier before the surge staff vfx revert and it wasn't piling the crit mod ontop of default 1

[plucky perch]

theres no longer a "armoured" its either flak or carapace they cleaned that up

well and maniac and unyeilding

[cyan notch]

so ur saying its supposed to do double the normal damage + crit modifier?

[shut thorn]

that's what the code implies, but when I had tested it it was instead normal damage + normal damage * crit_mod directly meaning a crit on crusher was only 30% more dmg

it should be damage + damage * (crit default mult + crit_mod)

[cyan notch]

so this is supposed to do over 1000 damage on crit

that seems a bit over the top no

[shut thorn]

Breakdown isn't 1:1, it's defined

It was doing over 1k dmg before nausea mode was added to surge

[plucky perch]

that might SEEM over the top, but you gota reemember against infested and unarmoured it does like 98 damage for the secondary and is the only force staff with a target cap

and severely diminishing returned past the first twop primary targets

[cyan notch]

i dont remember the breakdown tab ever showing 1000 damage unless that is allegedly wrong too

[shut thorn]

just did 508 against carapace crusher normally and 568 as crit

its still using crit_mod directly

need to install a snipping program or smth, windows default sucks and I haven't reinstalled most my stuff

sec

[hallow obsidian]

i hate veteran's every f time they mess up my heresy penance

[shut thorn]

433 vs dreg gunner normally, 527 crit

538 against flak armor w/o crit, 538 w/ crit

crit_mod is still in use

[plucky perch]

yeah justr confirmed against a mauler and crusher in heresy meat grinder im doing 530 or so on a normal about 680 on a crit

[cyan notch]

is that not normal

[shut thorn]

217 against infested w/o crit, 283 w/ crit

[plucky perch]

what perks ya got bfg? im only hitting infested for 110 non crit

[cyan notch]

its probably the bug where it shows yellow/not yellow but isnt actually a crit/not crit

[shut thorn]

none, im pushing out the poxwalker so it doesn't chain on otthersa and full charging

where's flak armored vanished off to

i guess I need to run ljd again

ugh

not today

[plucky perch]

@cyan notch that implys that my staf NEVER crits considering the damage numbers on unarmoured never drops below 500

*on armoured

[shut thorn]

also default crit no longer feels like 1x, tested w/ antax, it seems more like 0.3-0.5

[cyan notch]

i dont think its ever been double

[shut thorn]

nvm its still 1x, 469 dmg norm, 1049 crit on antax

wtf is up with the range tho

ive gotten crits of 600 to 1000 vs mutant

[plucky perch]

@bdg presice crit multiplier varies based on weapon

and fire mode

even melles have varying crits

force sword for example has a 250% crit multiplier

[shut thorn]

default is still 1x, 140ish dmg on combat blade swings, 250-300ish on crit

[plucky perch]

least against manic

[shut thorn]

fs hit location seems better, far easier to hit the flak armored on mauler w special by crouching than it used to be

I might go back to using fs

[plucky perch]

i tend to do a barely charged heavy so the downward swing is almost garunteed to connect with mauler rager/crsher skulls

[shut thorn]

the special attack targeting seems a lot better

[olive ember]

the FS stab in the light combo does about the same damage as a heavy

kinda funny

[shut thorn]

you do less dmg that way, you can 1shot a mauler guaranteed with fs even w/ a really bad roll if you crouch down and look down a tiny bit on heavy special

[plucky perch]

that might be the case but unfortunately, im not good enough to memorize and regulalrly pull that off in combat while panicing and surounded

i hope we get other paterns of force sword, wanna see a cleave focused force sword ala not as broken op power sword

[shut thorn]

ya the crit on flak armor is just turning it yellow

on my surge atleast

[plucky perch]

can sadly only JUST barely get by on heresy as a psyker

[cyan notch]

did surge's crit bonus stat ever have an entry for armour?

[plucky perch]

yep

listed under the crit bonus stat in the inspect menu

[cyan notch]

so this list was longer?

[shut thorn]

yes

the list has changed the last 3 patches

[cyan notch]

do u have a pic

[plucky perch]

though that unaaltered but boosted crit stats on the primary is honestly quite fun and good

[shut thorn]

sadly no, I lost all my old stuff due to hdd corruption

might have posted some here

also it's p evident that the listed % is the direct additional crit dmg

just test on flak or carapace

[cyan notch]

for some yes

but not for infested/unarmoured

[shut thorn]

might have to do with armor modifier

sucks that this is my only decent deflector

[grizzled iris]

Aye, look at this Psyker shop

[digital narwhal]

Recon Lasgun is the best Force Staff

[fluid knot]

Autogun 🙏 (Infantry)

[cyan notch]

@shut thorn this is definitely more than the 23.7% so i assume its applying the base crit + bonus crit

taking things at face value i assume that the bonus flak damage was a bug and now they removed it and also i assume that was the original intention to just use base armour crit for flak and those not listed here and they werent supposed to have bonus + crit damage

[cosmic heath]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/540547304063762458/1056549686649032714/image.png

wasn't as difficult as I thought it'd be

heresy spawns so many fucking shotgunners

[digital narwhal]

I just opened Reddit to browse and was immediately met with this

[tawny maple]

tbh I personally only care about having warp resist and finesse at 80. Mobility is nice but improvements from other stats are so unnoticeable on damnation that it tends not to matter much. Good blessings are more important

[tawny maple]

Opening reddit was the first mistake

[digital narwhal]

I still haven’t gotten a Force Sword with high finesse and high warp res

:(

[tawny maple]

it's a troll post but still reddit's opinions on psyker are often total L

[shut thorn]

it's likely to do with the armor mod

test against mauler, its identical dmg just yellow

[cyan notch]

no its slightly higher

like idk 15%ish

[cyan notch]

which is why i think this is just the base armour crit mod for flak and since the stat doesnt have bonuses it just uses its default of whatever 15ish%

[shut thorn]

Also confirmed something I found in code

Staff melee staggers bulwark

albeit a very tiny bit

there's also a third staff melee attack that never procs

[surreal needle]

Always thought it was odd that staff melee only has two animations that loop, looked a bit odd

[shut thorn]

its still pretty useless

[surreal needle]

I dont get why it does so little honestly, that staff would have a harder impact then most melee weapons

Staves are deadly-

[shut thorn]

prob so u'd use a melee wep

[surreal needle]

Its already single target from what i can tell, even if it just had a strong stagger wouldve been nice

Or i think it is, ive never seen it hit more then one

[shut thorn]

its technically several but the potential stagger mass is so low u never see it happen

[sharp idol]

i am pants

[glacial abyss]

This is actually true

psyker is a very strong class and solo carry class if you are not a bad player

[tame tide]

slaanesh get out

[tawny maple]

here's hoping they ever take the first attack out of the loop and make the sweep attack send a shockwave. You know, like a psykinetic would 💀

Doubt that'll happen though

[digital narwhal]

Every class can solo carry if you’re a good player

[shut thorn]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/911762334979084368/932439585034756246/contained.gif

[plucky perch]

i would like to see unique traits for all of the primary fires, like traumas primary causing a staggering implosion pulse, void strikes primary piercing a target or two and armour ala the secondary but to a much lesser degree and the surge staff getting a hit scan lightning bolt.

[digital narwhal]

That’s just... being a good player

[spiral lion]

you forgot big flair "meme" on that thread (and it was there)

[digital narwhal]

Ah; I didn’t bother actually reading through it because I thought it was a serious take considering how stupid some people on Reddit can be

[cyan notch]

unless it was way before this i think people are just gaslighting themselves to believe that flak + other armour types were listed here

[shut thorn]

yeah, "armored" is flak armor, my bad

surge crits still bugged

it should be doing far more dmg

[cyan notch]

i think the extra damage before was a bug

cuz all the listed armour types here are critting as per normal

[shut thorn]

the extra dmg against flak literally only existed because they didn't have an entry for flak

[cyan notch]

ok but crits work against unyielding, maniac, unarmoured, infested as listed

and those are the only ones that have +bonus crit damage

[shut thorn]

theres others in the files, just not listed

[cyan notch]

for base crit? or bonus +crit damage

[shut thorn]

the crit_mod on surge

stuff like void shield, prop armor, etc

[cyan notch]

sure but those were never listed and never encounted

[shut thorn]

u encounter void shield for assassination, prop armor is any crate etc

tl'dr v menu is not the whole story

and its not like its gonna be consistent

[sour bison]

what perks to switch?

[shut thorn]

wow nice roll

[sour bison]

it is

[shut thorn]

also dw abt cloud radius

it just increases range which actually isnt good on warpfire dmg

[sour bison]

its still 80 on damage and burn

[shut thorn]

ye im saying cloud radius is a meme stat

[cyan notch]

so youre saying flak/carapace had a bonus +crit damage mod that was never listed, that was way higher than other listed +crit damage mods and its intended but they just left it out in the breakdown

[sour bison]

nah, range is nice

[shut thorn]

no, flak armor was missing an entry so it was doing 200% dmg on a crit

[cyan notch]

well yes and thats the bug and now surge crits normally against flak/carapace (no bonus crit)

[sour bison]

so question is, whats the best perks for purgatus?

[shut thorn]

diff is surge actually felt really nice w that bug

[shut thorn]

honestly depends

some people swear by 20% dmg against flak

idk yet, I don't run purg 24/7

[cyan notch]

i mean for sure who doesnt like nuking armoured but surge is performing as intended now

[shut thorn]

They need to raise surge's minimum crit mult

[cyan notch]

i can agree with that

combined with the meat grinder bug making some crits show as non crits and vice versa its not surprising why people think its still bugged

[sour bison]

also who count as an elite?

[shut thorn]

well it seems bugged because crits on other weapons don't go below 100%

whereas minimum crit on surge seems like 10% or something

[shut thorn]

in terms of perk or blessing

[sour bison]

perk

damage to elite

[eager gorge]

Happy day 7 of Hanukkah you heretical witches. 🕎 ✨

[shut thorn]

elite is bulwark, crusher, gunners, shotgunner (depends on weapon lol), mauler

also sometimes gunners are specials only

its not consistent

[bold flint]

Im sure there are a few guns that dont

[shut thorn]

blessings are weapon specific

bloodthirsty on one weapon functions differently on another

[sour bison]

very cool game design

[shut thorn]

which is likely why crafting system is taking so long to implement

[shut thorn]

perfect example of why adhering to a specific coding style even if it's detrimental is bad

[shut thorn]

las guns are fucked beyond belief

[cyan notch]

well void doesnt crit double either

[sour bison]

idk aboiut flak on purgatus its kinda useless coz flac targets die fast anyway

[cyan notch]

in fact it crits suspiciously like 15%

[shut thorn]

does any force weapon

lemme check old data pull

i bet its 15% for all force wep profiles

[tulip drum]

is there something specific you have to do with Purgatus staff to stagger pox bursters and dogs?

i was just in a game where if I left click on pox bursters, they mostly get knocked back

but a couple times they ran straight at me while i spammed left click bursts at them

and just exploded in my face lol

[shut thorn]

@cyan notch

[tulip drum]

my understanding is that left click SHOULD knock them back?

[shut thorn]

lua/scripts/settings/damage/damage_profile_settings.lua

[bold flint]

Sheesh that looks awful

[shut thorn]

hmm this doesnt make sense

[cyan notch]

void crit seems like 25ish%

[sour bison]

every time i see this i wanna cry

[vagrant cedar]

nice stamina boost

a game changer

[sour bison]

also not working blessing

[hallow obsidian]

[shut thorn]

@cyan notch trauma is the only staff that doesn't modify crits, what's the crits on it?

[shut thorn]

Likely not working because the chain time for it to damage is 200ms

[light citrus]

Should I upgrade this

[sour bison]

im so glad that instead of fixing this FS fixed surge animations for two patches in a row

[sour bison]

no

also can anyone confirm warp flurry even work?

[shut thorn]

yes, it procs once

[marsh token]

I think its a bug or Server Issue.
I tested it a lot and sometimes Dogs and the Exploding Buster ignore everything. From, Push Attack (Block Attack), Weapon and the Psyker Class Ability. (It doesnt work the complete round sometimes, tested it a lot one round).
And some times there got staggers all the time from my Push Attack and it have a Stagger Range like a Sniper.

[sour bison]

FS push works great agains pox-kamikadze

or surge

anything else is hit or miss

[cyan notch]

pathetic amounts

[shut thorn]

15% on the dot

staves need higher min crit

[stuck basalt]

new bug i guess, don't let me refine even i have enough plasteel

[sour bison]

just come back in 5 mins

[light citrus]

How about upgrade this

[hallow obsidian]

lol Purgatus Run 'n' gun blassing why

[sour bison]

its ok i think if you actually use it

[stuck basalt]

run n gun just dev's trolling, why staff need it

[sour bison]

to run and gun

[shut thorn]

the only staff its mildly useful on is purg

[stuck basalt]

staff isn't gun though, run n staff pls

[sour bison]

make change.org petition

[shut thorn]

so, did anyone realize u can prevent the forcesword perils detonation by just switching to secondary right after the attack

o nvm they reverted the thing that detonates you if you charge up to 100% and attack

[cyan notch]

i didnt even know that was a thing

[hallow obsidian]

is this a good blassing?

[stuck basalt]

yes

[hallow obsidian]

ok what is power do?

[hallow obsidian]

ok nice thx

[shut thorn]

yknow that heavy blade from psyker trailer? it just occured to me its just a devil claw skin

[hallow obsidian]

so no 2h for psyker sad

[shut thorn]

there is a 2h, just not a heavy blade

[void anvil]

do the blessings and perks affect the melee attack for staffs? Not that its be super useful just curious

[shut thorn]

probably

quell peril on weakspot shud defo work

[lament sequoia]

Hi

Is this worth taking up a level?

Also Merry Christmas

[ornate hamlet]

How is this voidstrike?

[void anvil]

personally I dont upgrade anything that has lower than a 350 base stat spread

but if you dont have a decent staff to hold you over then go for it

[warped perch]

What’s the 350 stat spread again

[void anvil]

The stat ranking for modifiers

The ones just posted were 335 and 336

[ornate hamlet]

I do have a better one but I need to upgrade it

[void anvil]

I would upgrade that one instead of putting any resource into the other

[lament sequoia]

Is it really that big of a difference or just rare enough? (clearly I dont have anything cool)

[void anvil]

Almost a 30 stat jump I mean its not nothing for gameplay

going from 38% blast radius to 70%

[ornate hamlet]

Right now I use this staff so Im not hurting to upgrade one

[void anvil]

then good yeah I would just upgrade the 360 no need to mess with the other

[ornate hamlet]

What are the dump stats for voidstrike?

[void anvil]

They're all pretty useful actually, maybe charge rate if you just plan on spamming rclick

if you have good quell speed on your melee you could dump quell speed too obviously

[digital narwhal]

Probably Quell Speed? It doesn’t build much Peril, so it’s not as important compared to other staffs

I’d say you only need either good Quell Speed or Warp Resistance with Voidstrike

But having both helps you spam a bit more

Also

Psyker should get a beam staff

Like Sienna’s Beam Staff

I want a Beam Staff

[ornate hamlet]

Mmm

I guess Ill wait if the shop ever has a really strong voidstrike or purgatus

[digital narwhal]

Man, I wish they’d make the Trauma Staff’s secondary fire hurt box better and reduce its peril gain

[stuck basalt]

warp resistance is ignorable i think, you can try in grinder. how many shot reach max peril

peril reduction blessing more important

[ornate hamlet]

I just hope that we can eventually reduce weapons for parts rather than dockets

[true torrent]

I want a wabajack

[remote tusk]

Quell Speed is only interesting if you use a force sword with low quell. Non-force users can just switch to their melee option and quell naturally while being active anyway. Might get nerfed in the future though

[jovial quail]

Its confirmed that the devs are aware of it so i'm assuming we'll be seeing a nerf after the holidays sadly

[true torrent]

is =1 wounds the max on a single trinket

[jovial quail]

It is

[zealous bolt]

I swear I've seen +2 wounds on trinkets before

[jovial quail]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/curios Great site for general idea of perk/blessing min/maxes. Albeit some aren't in the game yet like 25% Hp

I think we had +2 wounds in beta but got nerfed

Honestly imo should just be a perk and not a full blessing

[glacial abyss]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/832423825076912128/931056148918988800/hush.gif

[true torrent]

if 10% is the max for block efficiency why is it 3 diamonds? Visual bug?

[jovial quail]

Probably just evaluated as a lesser perk. Or maybe they plan on adding a 12-15% later on

[daring crown]

its 12%

[glacial abyss]

Rumhead

[mellow ibex]

There's 20% Block Efficiency and it's a 4 star, I rolled it last night.

[jovial quail]

+5-20% Block Efficiency

[true torrent]

On a trinket?

[mellow ibex]

Oh, no. It was on a Force Sword.

[cyan notch]

its 12%

[glacial abyss]

nah there's 30% block efficiency actually

5 star

[jovial quail]

for curios

[stuck basalt]

block max is 12 on curio though

[glacial abyss]

https://tenor.com/view/oblivion-elder-scrolls-shivering-isles-bosmer-wood-elf-gif-24688489

[jovial quail]

Good to know, they need to make some changes to the site then