psyker-class

[long wharf]

I have yet to see that blessing myself

[manic needle]

I need to get back the feel of Voidstrike before I attempt damnation with it, I'll probably just do some faceroll Malice runs for my weeklies while I work on my muscle memory lol

But I will try it just to see how viable it is.

[hardy socket]

i'm steamrolling through malice with a staff half as good

void is just goated in general

[dense cloud]

this is mine

[manic needle]

Voidstrike falls off on higher difficulties quite a bit. Im a big fan of Surge staff

[near wyvern]

Yeah no, not enough horde control with void.

[hardy socket]

?

[near wyvern]

Surge and purge are the high diff staves

[long wharf]

my best void

[hardy socket]

if you aim at heads void is the best at horde control

[near wyvern]

That transfer peril is a sweet roll

[long wharf]

yep

[hardy socket]

it's a straight line but it should still do good damage

[near wyvern]

Ok. Go to damnation and see for yourself. The width of that line is simply not enough.

[long wharf]

running damnation successfully is all about using the map to your advantage

[clear heath]

quell cancel and rapidfire it

[manic needle]

When they finally release Blessing transfers, I have a T4 Warp Flurry I might try out on mine. I use that or something like Terrifying Barrage, I think.

[long wharf]

you should always be funnelling enemies

[covert valve]

you actually want charge rate and you can also cancel the animation to do instant dmg its quell speed you dont need as it only makes roughly a 1 second difference from full perel (normally takes 5ish seconds with no bonus) also swapping to something like dueling sword to quell is much more effective as your not wasting time

[hardy socket]

think there's a stat specifically for the width of the line

[near wyvern]

Until you get to the map with the big open dessert area where you need to get the batteries to the middle during an endless horde. GL lining it up.

Damnation is about playing as a team and covering those who are strong at the moment and knowing when to switch covering / carrying roles.

[vital bough]

There is not.

[long wharf]

nope

[long wharf]

the projectile's radius never changes

blast radius is the AoE that happens once the projectile hits something it can't pierce

like armor or level

[hardy socket]

oh

[vital bough]

Blast Radius is only for when the Voidstrike bolt stops passing through targets. It is not the width of the bolt when it passes through people

It can be deceiving though so I get the misunderstanding

[hardy socket]

thanks for clearing that up

[vital bough]

Most people assume that's what it is

[long wharf]

and because the collision radius of the projectile is oddly larger than the effect, you have to aim above enemies' heads to actually hit the weakspots

[night marten]

heard the aoe of void's impact is kinda shitty

don't know whether that's true

[alpine portal]

any one else getting low fps?

[manic needle]

If it's a Psyker exclusive item, there's probably something oddly wonky about it

[hardy socket]

normally no

i have shitty connection most of the time

cause south america

but apart from that computer runs it well

[alpine portal]

Started today. My pc is not great just good 1660 ti

[hardy socket]

could be a thing where you're not limiting your fps

[alpine portal]

to my refresh rate?

[hardy socket]

if you cap it at like 60 or 120 it should stop maxing it out as much as possible and fucking with it

[hardy socket]

yeah

[alpine portal]

never had to do that, but makes sense

[hardy socket]

i don't really know what my refresh rate i just normally use 60 or 120

[long wharf]

I've had an issue since the last patch where the game will do something (spawn a bunch of ragdolls can sometimes do it) and for the next couple minutes I have half the fps I normally do

[clear heath]

I have my ragdolls set to 1

[long wharf]

it most frequently happens on the desert maps

I like slicing up ragdolls though

[clear heath]

Not for performance, but because i keep trying to attack dead bodies thinking they might get up

[hardy socket]

normally get a thing where enemies just kinda stop on their track and i see people moving around doing shit with no real impact on gameplay

[alpine portal]

I blame orgyrn and zelots with power weapons

[clear heath]

Ok that's cool and all but
imagine bonking an enemy so hard they vanish out of existence

[long wharf]

heh

I prefer knocking enemies into the air and batting them around like balloons as an ogryn, though

it's the one joy I get playing an ogryn

[clear heath]

I wish i could set ragdolls to 0 but that just crashes the game

[hardy socket]

i like doing bowling strikes on enemies

with the void

[dawn orchid]

What's the process for this animation cancel?

[hardy socket]

i hear it's worse than the surge but i don't really see it myself

[long wharf]

void isn't worse than surge, they're for different things

void is a good all-around staff

you can kill crowds, you can stagger enemies

you can hit things far away without BB

but it's not the end-all-be-all

[bitter sky]

[hardy lily]

how can I not get cliffhanger done despite pushing a whole horde off the edge ffs

I fucking hate penances

[long wharf]

don't the enemies have to die?

it's not enough to make them fall to a lower platform

[hardy lily]

it was lava, I sure hope they did

[hardy socket]

took me three hours, just stand on a bridge and tank the enemies until a horde big enough gets pushed over the edge

[clear heath]

I really wish psykanium enemies could attack
I've been running around trying to find a mauler so i could test if block efficiency worked

[hardy lily]

I pushed over a horde like 100+ strong

[long wharf]

you have to 20 7 enemies within 10 seconds of each other by knocking them off a ledge

[clear heath]

think i'll just use a trash mob instead

[hardy socket]

what do ya'll think of my staff

[shut thorn]

ehhhh

[hardy lily]

low stats

[hardy socket]

i'm level 27

[long wharf]

I think I can't read the text

[hardy socket]

just getting incredibly unlucky with staffs for some reason

[clear heath]

i can't read it but it looks mid

[shut thorn]

save ur mmats until u get a good roll at lvl 30

[hardy socket]

alr

[long wharf]

but yeah, it's a middling staff, not great

[round jay]

Is it a void staff?

[hardy socket]

ye

[long wharf]

I wouldn't waste resources on any staff that isn't at least 360 on modifiers alone

[hardy socket]

is this better?

[long wharf]

damage is higher so automatically yes

[left briar]

thoughts on 333333?

[long wharf]

I haven't tested that myself

the detailed view screen shows a numerical range for blast radius of something like 2 to 4

[covert valve]

ive tested a 0% blast radius and a 80% blast radius there doesnt seem to be a big difference and does the blast radius only do like 2 dmg?

[long wharf]

I'm amazed to see a 0, frankly

[hardy socket]

how did you find one

[covert valve]

do a full cast then as your zapping them simple quick swap to melee

[mild tartan]

at long last

I can now retire until game is finished

[summer wind]

i'm still stuck on pick'n'mix

[covert valve]

is blast radius only for stagger purpose and not for damage?

[long wharf]

it's the radius of the AoE

inspect your staff

[hardy socket]

there's a very weird penance stopping me rn

one that requires me to kill 3 elites with my f

[night marten]

think blast radius might be the dump stat on void, no idea

[hardy socket]

think it's damage

[night marten]

na, you want damage on void right?

[hardy socket]

blast radius is not what you think

[covert valve]

thats what im thinking bcuz even when it blast it does 2 damage?

[night marten]

surge and purge is what you don't really care about damage on

[hardy socket]

ye

[hardy socket]

haven't used purge yet

[manic needle]

Its.... a staff

I dont care much for it, too much loss of range on my kit

[lean python]

any free siblings with a lvld shield ogryn to help with MM pen?

[clear heath]

Ok from what i can see, this doesn't seem to be true.
I have a force sword with 20% block eff and 9% deflector in both tests.
When i had a 12% block eff curio, it did 8-9%
When i took it off, it always did 10%
Seems to be working fine. Idk what the bug report people saw

[long wharf]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[hardy socket]

just tried solo heresy and died in like 4 minutes cause of fucking 4 of the big tank gunners and 3 artillery spawning at the start

[clear heath]

finding the same enemy twice to test this shit is annoying tho.
People keep killing them, or it's surrounded by gunners and i can't properly test

give solo private lobby bigfish

[long wharf]

if you want, after this mission, I'll help

[clear heath]

nah it's ok, i'm done testing this

[teal fog]

can anyone help with daemonhost brain burst on heresy

[subtle linden]

I care about flak and carapace flat rolls on surge staff

Cuz being able to kill them in 1-2 zaps is

[covert valve]

would you put those 25% on both rather than 5% crit or unarmored to help where you struggle?

[subtle linden]

Unatmored will never die to surge

Give up on that pipe dream

Make ur strength even stronger

[night marten]

was that testing general peril resistance's effect on peril gain when FS blocking?

[clear heath]

I was testing this bug https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/block-effiency-causes-you-to-generate-more-peril-with-the-peril-when-blocking-perk/70868
which doesn't seem to be true

[vestal finch]

I used to run heresy so easily, now I die all the time

[subtle linden]

When I can one zap all the green night vision guys shooting at me and team and zap kill maulers, berserkers, crushers, bulwarks

It’s amazing

[vestal finch]

Playing as a fanatic gave me bad habits I guess

[clear heath]

my the bug report guy had peril resistance on warp charge and wasn't paying attention to his charges while testing or something

[ebon jolt]

Best blessings and perks for surge staff?

[subtle linden]

I like the crit with peril

Second blessing is I dunno

[sinful stream]

Crit with peril and then the cant be interrupted charging I like

[fast swan]

do i want melee crit damage on my thunder hammer or something else?

[subtle linden]

Zealot

[fast swan]

oops lol

seeya heretic dogs

[covert valve]

is weak spot quell BIS for void staff? on elite mobs seems harder to hit weak spot heads vs normal horde

[sinful stream]

Dmg vs flak and dmg vs carapace/maniac/unyielding

[subtle linden]

We’re all antax mk5 enjoyers here

[dense cloud]

antrax ?

[sinful stream]

Boo force sword gang

[ebon jolt]

Still wondering if this is worth it. Charge rate is a bit low:

[subtle linden]

Cleave axe

[dense cloud]

fs gang booi

[sour stirrup]

It lets you clear hordes with the staff pretty quickly.

[night marten]

great staff

[round jay]

Don’t need charge rate if you’re spamming it

[dense cloud]

T_T

[ebon jolt]

My current:

All of my staff base stats kinda suck.

[subtle linden]

My staff rolled 25% flak 25% carapace + warp nexus

After destroying armored units I cannot go back

[vestal finch]

First target does nothing for the FS special right?

[bitter sky]

is there any benefit for running at higher difficulties?

[night marten]

think purple has better perks and stats

[clear heath]

It does affect it

[ebon jolt]

I don't use surge as often as purg and void. Thanks for the recommendations.

[lean python]

Is the terrifying barrage blessing fixed yet?

[long wharf]

first target does not affect the charged special attack of the force sword

[long wharf]

it works?

[covert valve]

carapace armor only effects the crusher with lightning staff right?

[subtle linden]

It works on trash

[clear heath]

wait it doesn't?

lemme test again

cause last time it

maybe it's only buffing the initial hit though. I guess i'll see what the difference in damage is from just a normal light

[night marten]

yea I was under the impression damage and first target both affected FS special

(based on light testing)

[long wharf]

first target affects light and heavy attacks

but not the charged up special attack

[subtle linden]

It takes like 5-6 zaps to kill anything with surge that ain’t flak/carapace so I just don’t care about them

[night marten]

yea, but you can do a light or heavy special attack and the numbers are clearly different there, so it's not a stretch to think first target would impact the special too

[ebon jolt]

Finesse definite affects the special damage though, yeah?

[night marten]

dont think it does

[long wharf]

finesse directly affects crit chance and crit damage

[subtle linden]

Ya if u look at weapon stat breakdowns and hovers over finesse it says crit multiplier

[ebon jolt]

I thought it was attack speed and weakspot and crit damage?

[lean python]

But the thing is is that its not ur job to kill them, just cc them so ur team can without eating hits

[subtle linden]

Or something

Yes I still zap trash the surge can’t kill for cc

But now I can reliably zap kill all armored units

[covert valve]

im saying you take a 1 perk (25% carp. armor) to fight 1 enemy type (crushers) you can hit and ignore all the units?

[subtle linden]

It’s just how my staff rolled

I’d probably get crit dmg over it

But it’s locked in

[covert valve]

exactly thats what im trying to go for if its was BIS which one would you pick

[subtle linden]

Crit dmg + flak probably

[covert valve]

gotcha

[clear heath]

Ok lets do this again
Enemy tested is still the same mauler, non-weakspot hit
Same results on the special
Left did 53 on a light
Right did 51
The difference between lights was 2 damage
The difference between special light is 48
The special portion is definitely getting buffed by first target
@long wharf

[summer prairie]

crit damage is pretty weak, even crit chance should be better

[long wharf]

well, alrighty then, good to know

[summer prairie]

or maniacs maybe

[clear heath]

I can see why you thought it was light and heavies only, since that's what the description says

but never trust fatshark

[long wharf]

never trust FatDevs

[night marten]

I put this together a week or so ago *for testing whether first target/finesse had an impact on special damage

[devout belfry]

Nice

[clear heath]

It kinda isn't clear if this is because of first target or because you have higher finesse though, since it looks like a weakspot hit

plus one of them has rending on weakspot hit

so like

[night marten]

never nailed down whether finesse was having a big impact. I bet it's factored in if you do hit a weakpoint with the special

[sour stirrup]

Do I still gotta go test Laceration later or did someone accidentally figure it out in-mission

[long wharf]

figure out what?

[night marten]

my current thought is just laceration is virtually never a better choice than communion or aura

[sour stirrup]

Laceration applies to successive BBs in Psyk, but I haven't seen if that's true in mission.

It's hard to test because you need something like a Reaper in Malice+ to test it on

[clear heath]

Oh if you wanna theorycraft BB breakpoints, here's a funny trick

[night marten]

even if it did stack, it's usage will still be extremely niche vs communion or aura's universally useful utility

[clear heath]

I always assumed it worked anyways but i'd still take aura

[sour stirrup]

The way I play it has plenty of utility.

More context

I like gun psyker a bit more than my staves because I can't find a decent staff atm.

But that means I can take Laceration, 10% chance for BB on all attacks, and Kinetic Barrage.

Aaaaand it feels really good.

[clear heath]

gun psyker wtf

[covert valve]

that plus warp charges to increase the break pointrs

[night marten]

hey that's fair, if you're clearing missions and it feels good that's enough to use it imo. I think from a numbers perspective that aura probably provides more to you and the team, but no way for me to prove that

[clear heath]

I mean, the aura is probably less relevant for a gun psyker tbh

[night marten]

you think? with flayer, and focusing gunfire specifically on elites, you probably kill a fair number of them

gun psyker probably makes better use of flayer than any staff could

bunch of precise, repeated damage

[sour stirrup]

On par with veterans if you're using a good gun tbh

That's how it feels anyway

Plus 10% chance for BB all the time since I'm almost never in critical peril every 15s is nice

Helps with elites

It's different.

But it feels good

[clear heath]

imo most of the value for the cooldown aura is for ourselves, and the main reason to do it is to be able to spam kinetic barrage BB to shore up weaknesses with our stave's lack of damage and range.
Like for surge, brain burst might be your only way to deal damage to far away enemies.
But voidstrike and gun psyker can shoot things just fine

[sour stirrup]

And Kinetic Barrage helps with downing Ogryn enemies

If anyone wants the build it's...

[summer prairie]

I basically always ult when it's up if there are enemies around just for the stagger

[clear heath]

also for the quell

but gun psyker doesn't need that as much either

and voidstrike has transfer peril

it's really mostly surge that benefits the most from spamming it imo

[sour stirrup]

Toughness on Warp Charge
Wrack and Ruin (flex slot tbh)
Laceration
Kinetic Shield
Flayer
Barrage

With a gun

[night marten]

think wrack and ruin is also just not a great pick

[sour stirrup]

There ain't a great option at that level for this build

[clear heath]

what would you take instead for gun psyker?

[remote tusk]

what difficulty do you usually play with that build, Joyrider?

[night marten]

that's true

[summer prairie]

kinetic shield is peril based now, do you know that

[clear heath]

peril resistance for the 0 peril per bullet he's using

[summer prairie]

seems weak for a gun psyker

[sour stirrup]

Dif 4

[night marten]

maybe it is the best option for gun psyker lol

looking at the alternatives

[clear heath]

yeah the build makes sense to me

what gun?

[night marten]

I always look at the feats from a staff perspective

[fresh reef]

peril resistance for the peril-generating laspistol special

[sour stirrup]

It's an auto gun with 350+ stats and nothing special atm

[summer prairie]

kinetic shield isn't doing much of anything if you are always at low peril

[sour stirrup]

No burst fire

[night marten]

I mean, if you're running kinetic barrage, we can assume you're building peril sometimes because you're using BB

[rich meteor]

Surge most op weapon in the entire game, why guns

[clear heath]

but like, if it's his only source of peril generation, he probably doesn't need to care about peril res

[night marten]

otherwise you would just run AB (or quicken? lol) for more warp charges/passive damage

[clear heath]

well he'd lose his warp charges from pressing F if he took those

[remote tusk]

if we are theorycrafting a gunpsyker - how about stacking ascendent blaze with the soublaze blessings we can get on lasweapons? It's a unique trick we can do, no idea if it performs at all.

[night marten]

yea for sure. though without any other source contributing to soulblaze, those two stacks might as well not exist

[clear heath]

wait isn't he taking flayer?

[night marten]

yea

[sour stirrup]

For the 10% to proc you just have to be under 50 peril

[clear heath]

he should be proccing it every 15 secs. Stacks fall off after 25 secs. Keeping the stacks up should be fine unless it procs on something that doesn't die

[supple skiff]

critical peril seems a lot higher than that

[night marten]

just becomes less likely on tougher enemies, and that's fairly huge window of time to try and get to 4+ stacks on anything

[sour stirrup]

If you go high then critical is whenever the number is red. To get it down to not critical you have to drop under 50.

[bleak summit]

They need to remove the critical peril requirement on kinetic flayer tbh

[night marten]

yea

[clear heath]

Are we playing the same game here?

[bleak summit]

And kinetic shield needs to be changed back

[night marten]

critical might mean 100

[clear heath]

critical's probably something like 97 or 100

I mean i could try 100 i guess

[idle bay]

It's not like i'm using Chainsword but 379 base stats are impossible to pass by.

[sour stirrup]

I could also just be dead wrong.

[bleak summit]

Chain sword isn’t so bad with quietitude imo

[sour stirrup]

But I did test the hell out of laceration last night

[supple skiff]

nah psyker needs to be reined in apparently

[idle bay]

I'm an preffer Axe - fall in love into MK V version. When my character mentions Beloved - he speaks about his Axe 🙂

[supple skiff]

did they change deflector then to not care about critical peril

[night marten]

I think it still cares

[supple skiff]

cause I regularly block above 50 peril

[bleak summit]

I feel that. Mk 5 with brutal momentum is addicting. Chain sword is more of an off meta pick.

[clear heath]

I've seen kinetic deflection work up to like 80+% peril and then stop working

[clear heath]

It's not that big of a deal. I think critical peril is somewhere above 90%

considering my vid showed flayer procing at 82%

[idle bay]

Just to rev-it up and feel few moments of happiness - that's the purpose of Chainswords 🙂

[clear heath]

and i know i've blocked shit up to 80% before too

Ok i couldn't get it to proc at 100%, but i got flayer to proc at 91%

so critical peril seems quite high

[idle bay]

My Axe collection. I have to use lowest-stats one it's only one that have Brutal Momentum on.

[covert valve]

do a lot of you guys perfer axes?

[supple skiff]

%90 percent is what I think of when I think critical so thats fine by me

built in limit to BB spam I suppose

[clear heath]

96% still works lmao

[bleak tulip]

the hell is going on in here

[night marten]

sounds like it's probably the same high nineties peril limit on re-casting BB without exploding

[clear heath]

someone said critical peril for flayer was 50%

i took that personally

[bleak tulip]

the fucks that even mean lmao

[sour stirrup]

Me. Being wrong happens. Is how we learn.

[clear heath]

Well it says it doesn't work at critical peril but doesn't say what that is

Seems to work fine at 96%. Doesn't work at 100%

[remote tusk]

I'll just assume that critical = 100

[bleak tulip]

I never noticed it not working

[clear heath]

can't be bothered to test inbetween cause that's good enough for me

[sour stirrup]

Laceration says non warp sources and apparently BB isn't a warp attack.

[supple skiff]

this is why written laws have definition sections lol

[sour stirrup]

Which tracks because the 5-15% damage feat doesn't work on Bbs

And that's why I was testing Laceration in the first place.

[remote tusk]

lol, so we can boost brainburst with laceration and the power bonus blessings

[bleak tulip]

yeah I got to trigger it on 96 or 7 just now, it doesnt trigger on 100

[night marten]

so maybe 4 psykers simultaneously popping barrage and just mind nuking a monstrosity would be viable *with laceration

[bleak tulip]

which makes sense as "critical" since thats the threshold for BB too

[clear heath]

can't wait for people to figure out some weird strats with blessings to hit BB breakpoints

[sour stirrup]

Not a terrible idea tbh.

[clear heath]

smacking enemies 5 times with headtaker weapon for a stronger BB

[sour stirrup]

Because of Laceration you can beat some dif 4-5 breakpoints. On Malice it's just reapers that go from 3->2

[remote tusk]

if we figure out some arcane ritual that takes 5 minutes to set up to boost brain burst a little, they will probably nerf it again for being too strong.

[sour stirrup]

I mean... 4 stacks + laceration is as good as 6 stacks no laceration in terms of general use.

[night marten]

4 psykers doing a full headtaker prep setup before barrage brain bursting with laceration

[sour stirrup]

6+ Laceration is excessive.

[clear heath]

A lot of psykers do use axes, which could be running headtaker.
I wonder if there's an actual practical application of blessing abuse for BB

[leaden pier]

Something new with laceration?

[sour stirrup]

BB stacks damage off laceration becausr it ain'r a warp attack

Which is relevent for dif 4-5 BB breakpoints kinda

[night marten]

not really, just that it's usable with flayer on gun psykers (still think aura is the better pick)

[leaden pier]

Wacky

[clear heath]

Also this shit works globally, whether you have the weapon out or not

[bleak tulip]

so uh, I guess at least in meat grinder slaughterer seems to affect BB, reinforcing my belief that the meat grinder is just buggy because im pretty sure according to all known data this shouldnt work

neutral BB here right after

[night marten]

phew, that's a hefty BB

[jovial quail]

Didnt realize I actually finally pulled the wombo combo lol. So mad I can't get a t4 Warp Nexus though

[sour stirrup]

I also tested close range stacking damage blessing on my autogun, which doesn't apply to BB

[night marten]

I think it does work that way currently though, since clearly blessings are applying to both weapons in a bunch of cases

[bleak tulip]

this is about a 70% difference

[clear heath]

blessings are wack

[sour stirrup]

So if we basically do witch craft and heretic rituals we can have a BB that doesn't suck

[bleak tulip]

oh yeah the discrepancy is me having 3 WC on the "neutral" BB

[clear heath]

lemme just buff my gun with my axe

[bleak tulip]

because I killed the crusher with the first one without thinking

[night marten]

it was a ~46% increase in damage

[fresh reef]

played a T2 hi intensity as a warm up with Void

honestly, seems like trauma but better in every way

need to stress test in T5 against crushers and bad teammates getting surrounded though

[clear heath]

yeah but trauma can

uhh

it can knock over bulwarks

[night marten]

stagger way harder? lol

[clear heath]

looks hilarious

[night marten]

better at blowing up bursters too

[fresh reef]

staggering ragers incredibly easily is a big plus for trauma

[night marten]

for what that's worth

[fresh reef]

this too, but it seems void also staggers them

again need to test T5 breakpoint, since grinder doesn't have them for some ungodly reason

[orchid nest]

trauma op for generating peril for quietitude

[fresh reef]

true

[clear heath]

yeah wtf why does this cost so much peril?

haven't used this thing in a while

[fresh reef]

500 stagger ig

shouldn't cost as much as BB though

[sour stirrup]

My trauma has +6 rending on secondary, which is nice.

[night marten]

somebody was just looking at a spreadsheet and said "yea but this one has ULTRA stagger, so it just needs to be expensive" and there wasn't sufficient testing done in-game

looking at too few variables in a vacuum

[fresh reef]

oh my

[clear heath]

I always have such a hard time trying to find my surge staff after unequipping it
maybe keeping it blue was a bad idea

[dense cloud]

ultijmate peril charger

41% poer specil 😄

[burnt fjord]

Protip- you can use skins to make surge staff look like a purg staff 😉

[clear heath]

Yeah but then i forget what it is

[night marten]

they really should implement some kind of basic 'favorites' function

[clear heath]

I used to have voidstrike skin on it

[clear heath]

but then i couldn't find it

[night marten]

the huge list of shit is a pita to deal with

[burnt fjord]

Yea, im holding on to so many weapons hoping for a recycle feature or pulling off blessings

[dense cloud]

does tougnes regen rate incr4eeas quititude ?>

[burnt fjord]

Any toughness regen. Supposedly toughness regen rate actually affects regen delay instead of rate

[sour stirrup]

From what I read the plan is to scrap a weapon to add the blessing to a pool you use to slot on to other weapons.

[clear heath]

yeah that was the plan, but who knows what fatshark might do

[fresh reef]

I love when the game just says "fuck you, 100 shooters spawning behind you"

absolutely nothing I can do

[bleak tulip]

https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/1361210/view/3485252139459350311?l=english

crafting info has been talked about

[clear heath]

iirc perk rerolling isn't exactly the same as what they described in their crafting post

[sour stirrup]

Make BB a warp attack, contain blessings to their specific weapons, give nothing back to psykers to make them unique or useful, buff more guns.

[bleak tulip]

seems like the same to me or am I missing something

[clear heath]

For refine they didn't mention locking of other perks, and the price was supposed to go up, not down

[bleak tulip]

oh yeah

fair

I mean its logical that it would go up but i guess people were complaining about there not being enugh crafting mats already

[clear heath]

Idk if this is better or worse tbh. On one hand, locking perks sucks
On the other hand, i appreciate the costs going down

[bleak tulip]

which also explains why the VFX for refining are so slow and grandiose

plays this long ass sound every time you reroll

[clear heath]

holy shit, i gotta collect 3 deflector force swords

[bleak tulip]

you should be anyway

my inventory is a fuckin mess

[summer prairie]

you should see mine

[bleak tulip]

so many weapons just purchased for blessings

[clear heath]

I haven't actually found any other deflector force swords.
I got it on mine from consecrating

Never shows up in the shop

[bleak tulip]

blessings is like the one thing melk is good for

he fairly frequently has 4s for me

[clear heath]

Melk doesn't even offer me force swords

[summer prairie]

only 109 ranged weapons actually

[bleak tulip]

I dont know what I did but iirc I got this from melk

[clear heath]

melk just hates me man

[bleak tulip]

shame about the perk but the other one was even wose

[supple skiff]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/zufxcf/psa_to_my_siblings_the_psyker_is_different_from/ who forgot to lock up th. copium stores

[bleak tulip]

the names in the post

theyre here

[summer prairie]

124 melee weapons, 109 ranged, I would guess 70+ish curios

[clear heath]

I think you just pinged him lmao

[bleak tulip]

I \ it out

so it gave me the id

I didnt wanna ping em

but yeah theyre here

[clear heath]

This still pings people @bleak tulip

[bleak tulip]

oh fair enough lmao

well I deleted it

get rekt

[clear heath]

now they'll never know

[bleak tulip]

but yeah I recall them being big copium enjoyer

and its not wrong, psyker isnt dogshit or anything

but its got a ton of issues

and shit that doesnt work or just doesnt gel

[night marten]

1000%

[orchid nest]

yeah, the top comment there 👍

[bleak tulip]

like despite me absolutely being on the "BB sucks" train, I still use it

[remote tusk]

preach, sibling

[clear heath]

I agree with the overall idea of psyker being good if you realize it excels at things you probably didn't expect
Although a lot of the specific points they make is extreme copium

uhh

[spark forge]

MK5 any day for me.

[bleak tulip]

I mean I generally agree, I also think its the best melee for staff psyker

[vagrant cedar]

the guy has written all that for 70 upvotes 😂

[bleak tulip]

gives you single target and it can deal with stragglers fine

for hordes you have a staff

[bleak tulip]

its contentious

so yeah

[shut thorn]

[bleak tulip]

also it came out 3 hours ago on christmas lol

[vagrant cedar]

on my end

[supple skiff]

100 some comments

[dense cloud]

i got 6 fs defelctors so far 😄

[supple skiff]

not a great look

[clear heath]

I mean even for just psyker, there's some competition there for best weapon
But best melee in the game has much strong competition than just force sword imo.
Power sword for example

[bleak tulip]

I havent checked the reddit in a while but I wouldnt be surprised if theyre also on the "psyker worst class wah wah" train

[clear heath]

can't confidently say force sword is better than evis either

[bleak tulip]

I mean its not better than evis because we're not a melee class lol

its basically a half stabby weapon

[shut thorn]

"infinitely penetrating"

wuh

[bleak tulip]

I mean it is, until it hits an elite

[sharp brook]

Anybody else's cosmetics keep showing you have something but nothings there?

[night marten]

feel like we don't have enough tools to deal with basic ranged threats

other than "gun", which is the most boring shit in the world on psyker imo

[shut thorn]

or charge dmg pool runs out

[bleak tulip]

left click

[solemn zenith]

Probably gets asked alot but any tips on blowing up three elites with warp explosion

[bleak tulip]

also void can hit shooters in cover

[shut thorn]

ngl

[bleak tulip]

I personally have no real issue with ranged

[shut thorn]

the thing that mmakes void best

is its name in files

[clear heath]

i feel fine against ranged

[shut thorn]

simple as

[sour stirrup]

Make sure your warp stacks are up a pray to the corpse emperor.

[clear heath]

be worse at the game

I got mine naturally just by being bad

skill issue

[solemn zenith]

So bain burst stack with the damage?

[bleak tulip]

probably

[shut thorn]

warp charges increase ur dmg

[bleak tulip]

its just power, it should impact all damage

[karmic quail]

"What's a force sword?"

[shut thorn]

like in general

[shut thorn]

honestly combat blade ruined me

cant enjoy force sword anymore

too clunky

[bleak tulip]

ok weirdo

[shut thorn]

try it out

[karmic quail]

Gotta go fast

[bleak tulip]

I did, I hate it

[sour stirrup]

Warp charges ramp all damage.

[shut thorn]

weak

[clear heath]

i hate the moveset on the knife

[remote tusk]

Kinda agree on this. When damnation runs go south for me we're usually being overwhelmed while the normal dudes with autoguns and lasrifles pick us off. I try to keep it in mind when making a build

[bleak tulip]

it has like literally zero cleave

[shut thorn]

u have bfg staff

[bleak tulip]

yeah but I still like to hit two enemies in melee at least lol

FS does that

[violet yoke]

The knife works well with some staffs that take care of all the trash. Like purg and tram

[bleak tulip]

and bleed is dogwater

[shut thorn]

I like combat blade primarily because it fixes psyker's shit mobility

[remote tusk]

duelling sword does the same though?

[orchid nest]

my main problem with knife is I would rather use the similar, cooler, and class exclusive duelling sword

[clear heath]

force sword has infinite dodges

[bleak tulip]

FS gives you infinite dodges, you can literally kite shit forever

[shut thorn]

zzzzz

[karmic quail]

Yes except you run so fast with a combat blade and your passive quell if faster than actively quelling

[clear heath]

wait

you run it on psyker?

[karmic quail]

What channel are you in

[clear heath]

i thought all the knife players were busy abusing the 75% dr on zealot

[shut thorn]

yes, ever since I started doing mat runs out of annoyance

[bleak tulip]

I can one shot an elite in melee with FS and switch back to staff immediately instead of having to shank em like 6 times

[karmic quail]

But do you run real fast

[bleak tulip]

side dodges on FS are the same speed as sprinting but dont use stam

[karmic quail]

That sounds fun if you wanna crabwalk through levels

[bleak tulip]

I mean you dont have to

you dont wanna be in front anyway

its just good for when you have to

like while quelling

with FS you can quell and still move at sprint speed

[remote tusk]

passive quell is just so good now I have a hard time picking up FS again

[solemn dagger]

Is there an achievement for it?

[clear heath]

oh wtf, deflector in the shop

but only t3

[karmic quail]

Passive quell is amazing, just switch to your muggle weapon and run to cover, your shit is quelled

[fresh reef]

aight, I think staves really might just be a playstyle thing

as in all of them are equally viable, depending on the player

[karmic quail]

Passive quell from muggle weapons makes pure staff possible because you're switching to knife between fights

[clear heath]

what about trauma?

[fresh reef]

muggle weapons

[karmic quail]

Trauma is not viable

[bleak tulip]

also re: sprinting

[shut thorn]

rocket program

[fresh reef]

especially trauma

[bleak tulip]

its not that big of a difference

[flint plover]

what perks for a force sword?

[clear heath]

I don't even know what units those are in

[shut thorn]

it is, that's not 0.84%, it's 84%

[karmic quail]

Deflector is the only must have for FS

[sour stirrup]

Would be nice if staves operated without bugs and were maybe a little stronger.

[fresh reef]

I'd like to see a trauma peril reduction, but that's currently the only thing on my wishlist

[vagrant cedar]

give it a year or two till they release the game and fix majority of bugs

[fresh reef]

still fully capable of carrying, imo

[bleak tulip]

dueling has the same value as knife btw

:^)

[shut thorn]

ok but I can punch people with a knife

[sour stirrup]

Yeah I'm gonna keep doing gun psyker.

[bleak tulip]

wow

[flint plover]

infested and maniac for a force sword, i think?

or infested and flak

[bleak tulip]

always flak

maniac is shit

only applies to like 3 enemy types

[flint plover]

yeah

[night marten]

I love maniac on FS

[fresh reef]

finally gonna try out knife psyker

[shut thorn]

😎

[dense cloud]

punsch nad bleed on them

[orchid nest]

cmon bro punching the nads is not cool

[violet yoke]

Dick punch for the win

[remote tusk]

knife psyker was fun when lacerate let you apply bleed through your F ability and just clear a room

[sour stirrup]

Bold to assume poxwalkers are whole enough downstairs to care

This is a nurgle game, not a slaanesh one

[flint plover]

in fact, i'd imagine that's the first thing to rot off

[violet yoke]

Don't know untill u try it

[fresh reef]

drip check, how we lookin?

[orchid nest]

they are only gone cause you sick mofos are punching them all off

[sour stirrup]

That's the only way I can express my appreciation of tzeentch in this game tbh

[young zinc]

so what percentage counts as critical peril?

[remote tusk]

that and collecting grimoires against our teammate's will

[sour stirrup]

Really friggin high.

[bleak tulip]

97 ish

[young zinc]

so 90+

[dense cloud]

dam dam been rolong for 30 min now onoly 1 20 tougnes regen so far need 2 more ges il jsut test it with 50 % 😦

[sour stirrup]

Or running around as a Psyker named "Magnus was Right"

I like to stir the pot a little

[young zinc]

so physic flayer will work as long as your below 90ish peril?

[sour stirrup]

Yea

[bleak tulip]

it works at 96 still

maybe even 97

[fresh reef]

woah uh

bleed is kinda garbage lol

[bleak tulip]

yes

very

[sour stirrup]

Depends on the target

[fresh reef]

poxwalkers

[bleak tulip]

it really doesnt, its just dogwater

[sour stirrup]

Bulwarks fall apart to bleed

[bleak tulip]

like with soulblaze it only gets good at like 12 stacks

[young zinc]

so sense the damage ramps up the longer you hit something, does that mean the flame staff can be good vs elites if focused?

[jovial quail]

Stacking max soulblaze and bleed is stupid effective against soloing monstrosities as well

[bleak tulip]

wouldnt call it "good" but youre gonna kill em eventually

[fresh reef]

wow it does a whopping 8 per tick for a whole half a second

incredible

[jovial quail]

I genuinely think bleed against bulwarks in meatgrinder is fucking broken as hell. I kill them with just light attacks stupid fast in real games lol

[summer prairie]

With a t3 or t4 knife blessing you melt them

[fresh reef]

mine's T2 I think, that may be why

[shut thorn]

meatgrinder =/= actual game

[sour stirrup]

I'n speaking from Ogryn experience. It's one of the few enemies you can tackle in melee using heavy attack bleeds on shield.

[devout belfry]

Ah. Just like Vermintide.

[jovial quail]

@shut thorn Then it shouldnt even be in the game if its not meant to test breakpoints and dps

Should just give us a pamplet telling us what types of enemies they are lol

[young zinc]

yeah it needs fixes

[devout belfry]

Let me point you to Vermintide 2 sibling.

[shut thorn]

just wait they'll eventually iron out the issues

[bleak tulip]

or you can just BB em and do more

[fresh reef]

should I upgrade this or nah?

[shut thorn]

they're more worried abt backend communication rn

[summer prairie]

BB takes longer to kill them

[bleak tulip]

on what planet

[young zinc]

wdym?

[mental rock]

I would say yes to upgrade

[jovial quail]

Plus realistically you can't just pull out your hands and BB a bulwark that is right around a corner with a horde around you lol

If you don't like bleed thats fine, but its far from ineffective

[shut thorn]

someone leaked how the game communicates with FS' server

and now certain people are spammming it thinking it's funny

[vagrant cedar]

what does that even mean

[fresh reef]

ayo

[young zinc]

so the servers are getting DDOSed?

[shut thorn]

you can get the weapon store of any character with just the id, which is pretty expensive on fatshark's end

[shut thorn]

not rlly a ddos

[devout belfry]

More like a dos. Ey?

[vagrant cedar]

so you mean they fixed the game from being a Casino RNG Simulator?

[shut thorn]

no

wtf?

[vagrant cedar]

oh

[young zinc]

im confused

[vagrant cedar]

so you saying you can get Ogre's shop while being psyker?

[thorn lintel]

is ther eanyway to find out which of the 7 mission types am yet to do ? freeking penance helmet is locked behind that 😦

[shut thorn]

you can get someone else's shop stuff

displayed

or well you can read it

you can p much tell fatshark's server to send you the info

[bleak tulip]

takes about the same time for me

[shut thorn]

every character has their own unique store every hr

[bleak tulip]

crusher video is longer because I missed the head twice

[vagrant cedar]

how does that make it expensive for FS tho

seems like a useless "feature"

[shut thorn]

.....

[vagrant cedar]

you can see my shop

great

now what?

[shut thorn]

If you don't understand it, don't try to make statements about it

[vagrant cedar]

you'll buy all the items?

[shut thorn]

It's expensive because they have to retrieve a table and then send it

[vagrant cedar]

then explain it in more detail lol

[young zinc]

I legit dont understand, can you explain how thats bad plz?

[clear heath]

Can you purchase with this or just view the items?

[jovial quail]

Yeah i'm kinda lost too haha.

[shut thorn]

It becomes an issue when you're doing this about 15k times every 50ms

[young zinc]

oh so is basicly a DDOS

[shut thorn]

view, people tried purchasing

so far few bricked their accs

[clear heath]

damn

dreams of darktide api crushed

[fresh reef]

"I am definitely human. You can most certainly trust me in your backline with psychic powers"

[shut thorn]

someone mightve figured it out

[brave imp]

Essentially bloat the server with requests

[shut thorn]

nice bitch helmet

[jovial quail]

I'm still pissed I didnt get the 4xxxxl helmet like a few got lol

[clear heath]

Although, i guess being able to look at the shop on my other characters would be nice, even if i can't purchase

[fresh reef]

👍

[jovial quail]

Honestly yeah, wouldnt have to log onto 4 chars every hour lol

[dense cloud]

lets go 60% tougnes regen speed 😄

[clear heath]

How easy is it to view the stats of the items from this?

[bleak tulip]

wouldnt be surprised if you can utilize this for an external tool like light.gg

FS would probably have to do some work to make it more viable

[vagrant cedar]

Dude if you got time to grind mats/weekly currency for 4 characters and check their stores..

[clear heath]

is it just like item ids or do you get all the stats of the all items in the shop from one request?

[bleak tulip]

maybe thats a thing they would like to do, or its a thing that'll finally kill the store and just give us post mission rewards

[jovial quail]

Running like +4 stamina and 50% sprint efficiency with knife feels so good personally

https://tenor.com/view/speed-i-am-speed-meme-minivan-gif-14031710

[young zinc]

just cuz you have the time doesnt mean the game respects it, armory still needs big changes

[vagrant cedar]

i don't even bother making 2nd chat

fuck that

2nd char*

GrindTide

[clear heath]

I have all 4 characters at level 30 but i can't be bothered to check store on all of them cause of the load times

[jovial quail]

I play like... alot and I can only do 2 chars weekly due to always getting 25 missions every week and having to prioritize getting rid of 6x secondary lol.

[fresh reef]

"People keep telling me I'm creepy. You don't think I'm creepy, do you?"

[shut thorn]

So apparently someone's close to achieving this

The purchase stuff

[jovial quail]

I really hope we get shared mats/gold and better weeklies

[clear heath]

oh neat

[shut thorn]

But you need a steam key/gamepass key

[vagrant cedar]

should have been in the game like the rest of base game content

they probably released 0.5 of the game on purpose

then slowly implement the rest of the shit

[jovial quail]

@vagrant cedar Haha so much shit shouldve been in game already

[vagrant cedar]

it's crazy

[shut thorn]

data is stored basically Platform/Player/Character1-5/Stuffhere

[jovial quail]

I knew when we were getting 2+ weeks of beta with no time between it and launch that was the game though.

Like i'm still genuinely shocked people defended that it wasn't

[supple skiff]

thats a generous assessment

[vagrant cedar]

one can hope

[supple skiff]

paid beta test for last minute fixes

[jovial quail]

Granted I'm korean and like grindy gacha games so it just fuels to my hatred of myself even more

[supple skiff]

I have full faith this game will be great in time

[shut thorn]

just so you guys know, they're working on a shitton of stuff

[bleak tulip]

its like people still dont realize that the game was pushed out the door this year so it makes profit this year becaause it already got delayed this year, so yeah its not done lmao

[supple skiff]

but fuck normalizing releasing half finished shit for full price

[vagrant cedar]

hopefully there will be enough people to enjoy the content when it gets released

[devout belfry]

I am still upset about how they lied to the community and misrepresented the game.

[jovial quail]

Oh absolutely they are, I have absolute faith they'll have the game in a good spot within a year. After v1/v2 this was absolutely going to happen

[bleak tulip]

shouldnt have bought it then

we're all the problem

[shut thorn]

player numbers always skyrocket during major updates for large games

[jovial quail]

Still doesn't make it any less shitty that it was released the way it is though haha

[bleak tulip]

we all knew from the preorder beta

and refunded it

[vagrant cedar]

cough Evolve

[devout belfry]

It's not the tough launch or issues. It's the intentionally misleading the community and underhanded business practices.

It worries me for the future of the game.

[supple skiff]

I didn't play the beta

[bleak tulip]

yeah but thousands others did

[supple skiff]

but grated could have looked at reviews

[shut thorn]

Not the same

[bleak tulip]

and the state of the game was known

[clear heath]

the beta didn't feel any more or less beta than the game right now

it's basically still beta

except there's a shop now

[vagrant cedar]

Early Access

[jovial quail]

@devout belfry I don't mind hiccups and shit but honesty and communication goes a long way with me. Granted i've been on the reddit and see the cesspool that it is so I understand. Couldve at least been alot more vocal on their main site though.

[bleak tulip]

and that was a thing we knew would be how the release is

[shut thorn]

As void said, game had to be released early to create funds for development

[supple skiff]

normally I wouln't have

[sour stirrup]

"Launch" was just adding in the predatory monetized cosmetics.

[bleak tulip]

so if youre still here bitching about "oh they release a half finished game" yet you own it, your own faul tbh

[supple skiff]

but I have gotten my monies worth

[bleak tulip]

we're all complicit

same

[shut thorn]

they lost almost 2 years of dev time due to corona shit

[bleak tulip]

yeah

[vagrant cedar]

90% of people saying everything gonna be released and fixed by the release tho, and if you tried to say otherwise they would shit on you

[supple skiff]

and have the modicum of self worth and will power required to not fall "victim" to the shop

[clear heath]

those people were dilusional

[bleak tulip]

why should you give a shit about what idiots say who still dont know better

[clear heath]

it was very obvious they weren't gonna fix all the issues before the game launched

[bleak tulip]

if you think the current state of the game is untenable then you should have refunded, vote with your wallet

[devout belfry]

I agree. But they've lied or intentionally mislead us on:

Final game content
Character creation
Total weapons
Stability
Crafting
Feature timelines
And especially the intent of the cash shop.

Akin to no man's sky saying it had multiplayer.

[clear heath]

What are we missing from character creation?

[vagrant cedar]

I don't, but those the same majority who hype the game has bigger voice and go "OHH IT"S OKAY, WE WILL WAIT" rather than be pissed about half-assed release

[devout belfry]

Your choices doing anything. It's just the voices.

[shut thorn]

darktide's release is not half-assed

[devout belfry]

Female faces being male meshes.

[jovial quail]

@devout belfry Yeah you're absolutely right. A simple "Hey, we're trying with the crafting system and wanted it all to be out by December but we need to fine tune so more things so it'll take a bit longer" wouldve went a fucking long way for me personally. Backpedaling and deleting comments they made prior also doesn't help.

[vagrant cedar]

CyberPunk 2077

[bleak tulip]

??

[shut thorn]

same deal, the company they hired for bug testing wasn't doing their job

[young zinc]

bitching about bad buying partices isnt gonna change anything, if ya wanna make the games industry better whats needed is worker organization and regulation

[devout belfry]

Someone opened the head models and the female heads are just the male meshes.

[bleak tulip]

usually the studio is the one not fixing the bugs, testers usually have very extensive lists they send over

[vagrant cedar]

im just happy they fixed majority of connection issues tbh, since i knew half of the shit won't be released anyway

[bleak tulip]

like 9 times out of 10 its the studio deciding to not fix something

[shut thorn]

Go read up on it, CDPR had hired a at the time very reputable company to bug test

Instead of doing what they were hired to do the company got a new team of very new employees and gave them quotas per day

[bleak tulip]

very true, but thats a much bigger fish to fry

[bleak tulip]

I dont know the specifics of what CDPR did, but in the business as a whole my statement stays true

[vagrant cedar]

but this game runs on VT engine... and they made 2 games before this one.... how can they have such a shit code?

[supple skiff]

confident sweden has decent labour laws

[warped oyster]

Character creation and building is lackluster.

[shut thorn]

almost all of the crashes have been related to nvidia's new drivers

it's not just darktide

[vagrant cedar]

crashes sure, what about random disconnects where it doesn't crash the game

[warped oyster]

Gameplay great. World building, mmm... it's okay. Just okay.

[bleak tulip]

this doesnt seem like its something thats missing though

its just reusing stuff

why make new meshes for females

[shut thorn]

I genuinely give up with you

[bleak tulip]

its just skin too

[devout belfry]

They should just drop the bullshit like picking your background and planet.

My psyker was a clerk and then sent on a blackship. But low and behold my voice changes the story to being a space cop.

[vagrant cedar]

😄

love you

[shut thorn]

It's clear as day you know nothing about what you're talking about, darktide was released early because they lost a lot of potential development time due to covid, fatshark doesn't have infinite money

[supple skiff]

psyker confirmed rich evans

[devout belfry]

We should also be able to change our height and voice.

[clear heath]

Isn't this their first time making a game with dedicated servers tho? The argument of "they made two games before this one" doesn't really apply to that

[vagrant cedar]

dunno about that one tbh

[devout belfry]

Hire people who have done it before.

[warped oyster]

It would be nice if there was a dialogue preview for the choices you pick in the background. They do have some effect like sometimes they refer to their background or the planet they come from, but it's like once in a blue moon.

[bleak tulip]

refer back to "they dont have infinite money"

[shut thorn]

the whole argument of "they made x before this one" is a fallacy, that's only true if no one in the company has left and no one new has joined, ontop of no one forgetting things

[devout belfry]

I haven't heard any character refer to their planet excluding the cadia exclusive voice.

[young zinc]

the thing we are ALL circling the drain about is that greedy management is to blame

[bleak tulip]

believe it or not, fatshark isnt a AAA studio with hundreds of millions of dollars at their disposal

[shut thorn]

the way governments reacted to corona is to blame more

if you actually bother to ljd the streamed data you would realize they're heavily crunching to get shit out and y'all are fucking whining

[supple skiff]

I feel the eyes of the inquisition upon us siblings

[vagrant cedar]

Hey, i'm just throwing information that i can think of, if you know inside info and what not, or can correct it, i'll listen

[shut thorn]

if you want stuff to come out faster, go work for fatshark for free, rn

[vagrant cedar]

i do realize they HAD to release what they released

[shut thorn]

there's a truckload of content they're working on that they cannot release in parts

[devout belfry]

Very likely. But they could have communicated it or launched in early access.

They lied to the community.

Intentionally.

[young zinc]

that certinly didnt help, but it more compounded already existing issues due to how fucked game dev is

[vagrant cedar]

they could, but then they would look bad and probably didn't had that many sales

PR and marketing, most companies would have done that

[shut thorn]

also I will say this

atleast darktide isnt bf 2042

[vagrant cedar]

or Evolve

[warped oyster]

But BF2042 is such a low bar though.

[shut thorn]

it's not, it had a significantly bigger budget and thousands of people working on it

[bleak tulip]

you really think they were like "haha we'll say we have all this stuff and then dont do it, we're cashing out"
do you really think they willingly would self sabotage? or maybe they just couldnt do the things they said they wanted to have on release but they had to release because yknow, money isnt infinite

occam's razor and all that

[vagrant cedar]

or Space Hulk: DeathWing

[devout belfry]

I'm also bitter about them lying about their fix timeline and for releasing crafting.

[shut thorn]

Like srsly some of you need to chill, content is in the works, a lot of it, to the extent the 10gb missing is prob gonna be some 30gb missing

speaking of which I should make space on my ssd

[devout belfry]

They knew they'd all be on vacation. Which is fair - happy holidays.

But they just keep lying to abate the community outrage.

[vagrant cedar]

🤞 that's true and i'll hopefully wait for it

[supple skiff]

phat sharks community management is on some shit to be sure

[devout belfry]

I'd rather what we have work properly lol

[bleak tulip]

wait what did they lie about now again

lol

[supple skiff]

not say more than that tho

not looking to get bonked

[devout belfry]

Launch content, crafting release timeline, game stability, etc.

[bleak tulip]

idk people were bitching about hedge forever, aqshy is fine she's trying her damndest

[orchid nest]

on a positive note and as someone who has always loved the warhammer IP I will say that the way they translated warhammer 40k mechanics to fit the game type is awesome

[supple skiff]

I agree

[bleak tulip]

how the fuck did they lie about game stability lol

[vagrant cedar]

they didn't disclose the status of it, that's what he means probably

[dense cloud]

people just have patatoe pc

is all

[bleak tulip]

and I dont know if they even mentioned a timeline for the release of crafting

[warped oyster]

Re-calibrate expectations, sure. But they postponed Darktide by a year, and generally, I think people generally had higher expectations, especially after playing the open beta. The sour taste in their mouths came when the open beta became launched and everyone's game performance went to shit and the crashes/disconnects persisted even more so.

Granted, it's better now. Much better now actually, but first impressions are important.

[devout belfry]

It was at launch. They've since removed their crafting trailer. Then they said the end of dec.

[bleak tulip]

In closing, we hope you enjoyed this look into Darktide’s crafting system. We are excited to bring you the rest of the crafting features, which we'll gradually be rolling out throughout December. And we look forward to building upon this system in the future.

this isnt a lie, this is something that likely changed because a shitload other things came up, yknow like several hundred different crashes and shit

[shut thorn]

first impression is when timmy gets dorktoad for new years

[bleak tulip]

they could have phrased it like "we're planning to release it..."

sure

but claiming its a malicious lie is a bit harsh

[devout belfry]

Sure. But one might want to disclose that itemization in a fear based game isn't going to be in the game for months.

They knew well ahead of launch it wouldn't be ready.

[onyx wasp]

thanks to whoever suggested i try cliffhanger at the end of the rob a train mission, i finally got it in spite of my team mates shooting wildly at all the guys after i asked them nicely not to

[vagrant cedar]

they could have released the game as Early Access, and most people probably wouldn't have been pissed by poor performance of the game

[shut thorn]

it did 'release' as early access

for 2hr

:)

[vagrant cedar]

fair enough then

[warped oyster]

The tail end of Hab Dreyko investigation is also a good opportunity for cliffhanger.

[vagrant cedar]

👍

[devout belfry]

EA would have gotten them a lot more good will and future purchases but less upfront cash.

[clear heath]

im glad everything got fixed in those 2 hours

[shut thorn]

yeah a bug was fixed, mislabeled as early access

[bleak tulip]

https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/1361210/view/3485252139459350311?l=english they released this 5 days before release, with their stated intent to get crafting out in december, clearly they thought they could get it out or why would they shoot themselves in the foot lol

[shut thorn]

😎

[supple skiff]

also technically doesn't say anything about finality

[bleak tulip]

that too, but thats kind of semantics

I would understand it as "all the remaining features"

[clear heath]

The nature of randomization and repetitive actions sometimes seen within crafting is something that we are steering to avoid in the crafting system within Darktide.
man i hope they stick to this one

[supple skiff]

sure, that would be the common interpretation

[devout belfry]

My argument is they knew it wouldn't be in way before 5 days prelaunch.

They also knew they wouldn't have it done by the end of December because everyone would be on vacation.

It was bullshit to quiet the community.

[supple skiff]

but they can fall back on a strick interp so avoid legal issues if they needed to

not that any of this is relevant, im just bored lol

[clear heath]

they probably thought they could implement crafting quickly but got caught up with other bugs

[devout belfry]

Don't get me wrong. I still love the game and believe it will be great in the future. But they did us dirty.

[bleak tulip]

It was bullshit to quiet the community.
strong disagree, every hotfix since the release was strongly focused on crashes, and december is prime illness season

[warped oyster]

Yes, but Timmy ain't writing the game reviews or making videos or reddit posts about Darktide... generating a comprehensive impression/community marketing of the game to future consumers who would consider buying Darktide or not.

Also, reviews sponsored by Fat Shark are going to be bias.

[vagrant cedar]

want some soap

[clear heath]

They probably genuinely believed they could do it
It probably wouldn't take all of december to make crafting, if they didn't have thousands of bugs to fix

[vagrant cedar]

true

[bleak tulip]

there is a thousand things that could have changed, saying they lied again is honestly pretty presumptuous

[devout belfry]

I also really like the community and everyone I've interacted with from FS here. Even Hedge's shenanigans.

But some actual clarity and honesty would go a long way.

[bleak tulip]

I just dont know why people insist on painting it all as malicious lies

when its just a basic reality of game development

[shut thorn]

ye (though I never trust reddit lmao)

[devout belfry]

If you know something won't be ready by a certain date you don't promise it on that date.

[clear heath]

yeah but i don't think they knew

[orchid nest]

I can't even meet my goal of having dinner tonight at the time I wanted to

[devout belfry]

I'm talking mainly about crafting.

[shut thorn]

are you the one that's gonna deliver that news to investors

also statistically

[warped oyster]

I wouldn't be as mixed feelings about Darktide, if the game was still in beta rn.

[shut thorn]

'owning up to it' is worse than just ignoring it

[bleak tulip]

again, they didnt "promise" it, they stated an intent to release it december, thinking they could do it, but there was a shitload of other things we know and likely a lot more we dont know that probably got in the way, shit happens

[devout belfry]

So far the only retorts I've heard involve them making money, saving money, and money related comments. Screwing us for cash is close to being malicious. I know it's the state of the industry but yikes.

[hexed inlet]

what is the preferred dualing sword

[shut thorn]

woah its almost as if money is the cause for basically everything related to the gaming industry

........

[devout belfry]

I don't believe they thought they could finish it. They're all on holiday vacation.

[bleak tulip]

"screwing us" like come the fuck on lmfao

oh my fuckin god lol

[shut thorn]

they are today, they weren't yesterday, they won't be tomorrow nor monday, etc

wait its saturday, they will be tomorrow ig

[bleak tulip]

you and others being omegamad about this and the game is mixed reviews alone is a sign to me that this wasnt some calculated ploy to bullshit the community

[clear heath]

Ok think about this. Crafting doesn't actually sound very hard to implement at first glance. I think most devs looking at the problem would naively think "Yeah it's just a few menus that change the numbers on some items. Probably takes less than a week of coding and and a few days of testing".
To me it's perfectly believable that they thought it'd be a quick job and then got swamped with a bunch of issues. I don't think they were lying when they said it would just take till december.

[warped oyster]

I don't expect Fat Shark to work on the holidays. They deserve holidays and they deserves breaks, but you can still complain about them as a consumer when the product they make isn't living up to the expectations promised.

[devout belfry]

I clearly stated I don't expect them to work on the holidays.

[bleak tulip]

like, why the fuck would they do that when it leaves them open to valid mass refunds

[shut thorn]

From reading the code a bit I think the issue they ran into is the fact that

Each blessing on a weapon is exclusive to it

[devout belfry]

But if you know no one will be working... How can you promise output lol

[shut thorn]

Bloodthirsty on chainsword =/= bloodthirsty on fs

the stats are same, the name is same, the code is same but it's separate

[iron cypress]

Overselling an advertised product and underdelivering, is becoming an all to common business practice.

[bleak tulip]

fun fact, just the fact that it says on the storefront there would be X weapons and there not being X weapons on release is a valid reason to get a refund on steam

why the fuck would they do this willingly

just to try and shut up the community which clearly did not work

[clear heath]

they probably thought they could finish it before the holidays

[devout belfry]

No one is saying they did the under delivering part intentionally lol

[shut thorn]

this, whoever coded the blessing shit was evil

[bleak tulip]

its the same thing though

[devout belfry]

Not communicating it is the part that's disturbing.

[clear heath]

because on paper it sounds like a very simple task
you're literally adding buttons to change numbers
but clearly there's some jank plus a bunch of other work to do

[bleak tulip]

I dont know what games youre used to but the communication has been pretty good considering how small their GM team is lol

there is a lot much worse examples
not that thats an excuse, mind

[devout belfry]

I don't doubt the complexity. But launching with the current state of crafting is kinda hilariously unprofessional.

[night marten]

yea I would say communication/feedback has been pretty exceptional, for the gaming industry anyway

[warped oyster]

I'd assume that would make the workload to create a crafting system about 50x more work or onto the scale of how many weapons are supposed to be in the game. Although the choice to keep the blessings weapon specific is a bit... redundant, but idk. Maybe they foresaw a balancing issue I'm not seeing.

[shut thorn]

someone has to check every weapon and make a list or something of every weapon with a 'similar' (same to you) blessing

sounds easy until you realize there's like 70 weps

[devout belfry]

Object oriented programming be damned lol

[shut thorn]

wdym, this is a perfect example of why OOP is shit

[warped oyster]

Which is why I said about 50x more work or onto the scale of how many weapons are supposed to be in game.

[iron cypress]

Some of the blessings don't even work based on the description.

[devout belfry]

Some don't even do anything at all lol

[shut thorn]

this too, warp flurry is coded properly, yet it doesn't work because ??

[night marten]

these weapon skin packs...

grasslands camo = 800 aquillas

[bleak tulip]

just dont

[shut thorn]

Timmy will want it so he can be army man

[bleak tulip]

I dont know why but I find basically 90% of all skins in these cash shops just fugly

no idea how the fuck people spend so much on them

[devout belfry]

How do we not at least have basic primary colors as weapon skins on the shop lol

[warped oyster]

Fire Wastes camo, best camo. Best weapon sorter there is until they add a favorite mark for weapons.

[night marten]

I know why, it's really unimpressive CoD-style camo

recolored 4-5 times

that's it.

[iron cypress]

Don't get me started on the Psyker camo..

[shut thorn]

i still think the funniest shit is the steel legion bait that fatshark did

[bleak tulip]

I would have to assume its legit a lore thing, they dont want people running around with bright purple staves and clothes

[devout belfry]

I'm still curious about how our current weapons fit into the future. Is there going to be another rarity? A way to increase stats beyond 80?

[shut thorn]

they made so much money off the steel legion thing and they will make more money from the same people when they release krieg

[bleak tulip]

yes, likely

[vagrant cedar]

Red items

[wise pecan]

To be fair, some of those have model changes (Thunder hammer, force sword, latrine shovel)

[bleak tulip]

either through reds, another crafting option or events and such

[shut thorn]

those are npc, that's the 0 rarity

[devout belfry]

Hopefully. But how does that work with blessings?

[shut thorn]

we have access to 1-5, there's a 6th ontop of that

[night marten]

actually wonder whether they're nervous about doing that considering groups are just clearing the hell out of damnation with weapons stat-capped at 80

[warped oyster]

I'm gonna assume they're gonna add like some new mat where you can get that last 20% to top off that stat, but you can only do it for one stat.

[shut thorn]

there's 7 rarities

[supple skiff]

you're not suggesting its like cod are you

[wise pecan]

Hell, that grasslands camo pack has the only latrine shovel skin

[bleak tulip]

red in that context just means what they were in VT you know

they dont literally hagve to be red lol

[shut thorn]

oops I guess I spoke too much then

[vagrant cedar]

go on, go on

[shut thorn]

Clearly I am not a reliable source of information :)

[clear heath]

Yeah it's more clear that it's kinda fucked when you look at blazing spirit on staves vs force sword
They don't even have the same icon but a player would assume they're the same blessing at first glance.
Checking all the blessings for similar names/effects for every single localization of the game was probably more work than they were expecting

[vagrant cedar]

nah nah nah you can't downplay it like that

[clear heath]

why are blessings like this?

[night marten]

shred is the same way between chainsword and everything else

[shut thorn]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1034678364948135996/1055614753814368286/toqnuoo4ro.gif

[warped oyster]

Idk if they'll add another tier for weapons tbh. considering none of the weapons now have stats that are bending past the 80% threshold... I think it's more likely they'll add a gimmick to make only ONE stat 100% by adding 20%.

[shut thorn]

they seem like really early code

[vagrant cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/meme-angry-punho-fechado-de-gif-26104429

[shut thorn]

p much why I suspect votive stuff is taking so long

They were prob like, this gonna be easy, then they start reading the code and go basically like "Karl wtf is this?"

[clear heath]

oh wtf

[devout belfry]

They'll have to unfuck most of the current system. But it will really mess up a lot of the current weapons in the process.

They're gonna have a bad time lol

[bleak tulip]

yeah the blessings seem to just be a mess of unfinished things more than anything in this game

thats why I've just been keeping most weapons

[clear heath]

axe shred vs force sword shred lmao

[shut thorn]

blessings are 'part' of the weapon code instead of weapon code referencing blessing code

[clear heath]

Can you guess which shred is which?

[bleak tulip]

I fully expted a lot of shit to get reworked

[shut thorn]

top is axe :)

[clear heath]

yeah

the force sword shred icon is the one without the sword
the axe is the sword icon

because