But Lacerations applying to successive BBs is pretty cool.
#psyker-class
sour stirrup
orchid nacelle
does overload prioritize proximity
south monolith
Psykinetic's Wrath affects ALL FS attacks so it is hard to know what works with what without testing.
long wharf
BB counts as a warp attack, though
bleak tulip
apparently not for lacerations it doesnt
sour stirrup
BB counts as a warp attack, though
Not according to all the testing I just did.
So that's fun
bleak tulip
at least in psykh
long wharf
so wait, with lacerations you're seeing BB damage increase?
bleak tulip
and psykh is buggy and inconsistent
sour stirrup
I'll repost pics
sinful stream
does overload prioritize proximity
dont think so. p sure it goes for the nearest elite
long wharf
it might just be that the feat is worded wrong, then
jovial frigate
wondering if there is a 'grenade damage' type or something dumb that brainburst technically is
orchid nacelle
dont think so. p sure it goes for the nearest elite
i mean does it prioritise the closest elite
or does it select them arbitrarily
bleak tulip
I'd go test this theory in practice before I assume this actually works in a match, we had the same thing happen with ascending blaze, it works a certain way in pskh and doesnt seem to work the same in a match
sinful stream
i would guess randomly
long wharf
I'd go test this theory in practice before I assume this actually works in a mat...
other players don't proc your AB
you have to kill something you've applied soulblaze to
sour stirrup
other players don't proc your AB
I accidentally tested this and found the opposite. In a match.
jovial frigate
are yoiu sure you werent running communion
orchid nacelle
well. if lacerations applies to brain burst, does that mean that 6 warp charges isn't needed to hit the bb breakpoints
bleak tulip
or flayer
long wharf
https://puu.sh/JuS5Y/f8bf703843.jpg
what weapons did you have equipped?
jovial frigate
cus i was trying a ascendant blaze + cdr build earlier and my warp charge generation was ass cheeks
bleak tulip
like, I tried that shit an entire mission, and while that obviously isnt highly scientific or anything, it did seem like it just doesnt work
long wharf
I'm jumping onto my psyker now to test lacerations
sour stirrup
Specifically, just to clear confusion.
Was running AB, wasn't running a Purg staff. Second Psyker in the game was running a Purg staff and AB. I spawned at mission start, outside of coherency, and had to run to the first engagement.
By the time I got to coherency range the fight was over, I never participated, and I had 4 stacks.
bronze sierra
guys
bleak tulip
Specifically, just to clear confusion.
Was running AB, wasn't running a Purg st...
this seems like another weird interaction then
bronze sierra
im now at 260 hp
long wharf
Specifically, just to clear confusion.
Was running AB, wasn't running a Purg st...
if true, that... sounds like a major bug
long wharf
or you were in coherency sooner than you thought you were
sour stirrup
I mean it was a hell of a run to that first fight.
bleak tulip
even then he still gained stacks from another psyker's AB, which is just a bug
south monolith
I mean for the BB pics, it is 15% more damage. Which is what Cerebral Lacerations provides.
bleak tulip
yes
sour stirrup
Yar
long wharf
yeah, I'm seeing the same result
sour stirrup
I'm gonna try a match
bleak tulip
relevant
if crits sometimes dont show up correctly in psykh and other interactions dont work sometimes (in beta i tried out run and gun on a void and it didnt work in psykh but it worked in match)
daring nexus
well. if lacerations applies to brain burst, does that mean that 6 warp charges ...
What breakpoints does 6 warpcharges bring you to?
bleak tulip
then I dont trust it too much
bleak tulip
I put it there alredy
orchid nacelle
ah
bleak tulip
in my first pin
orchid nacelle
nice
bleak tulip
shame its buried under a trashy gunpsyker build 
orchid nacelle
we should standarize the numerical abbreviation for feat selection to consolidate information better
south monolith
Oh anyone can in here? I will have to do that for the my breakpoint calc when I finish the current update.
orchid nacelle
i mean the
bleak tulip
Oh anyone can in here? I will have to do that for the my breakpoint calc when I ...
you can ask mods to pin stuff
orchid nacelle
#-#-#-#-#-# format
bleak tulip
idk most seem to use 221133 as the format
orchid nacelle
ye
south monolith
you can ask mods to pin stuff
I meant in this channel, I have my calc pinned in theorycrafting
sour stirrup
K gonna try to find a reaper in malice and see if people will let me kill it
bleak tulip
seems fairly unambiguous
orchid nacelle
that's the one
bleak tulip
I meant in this channel, I have my calc pinned in theorycrafting
repost it here, ask a mod to pin it
donezo
alternatively I can put it in my post but that shit's getting bloated
lucid mortar
Some people say 1 is the bottom feat though lol
bleak tulip
so its betetr to just get a new pin imo
bleak tulip
Some people say 1 is the bottom feat though lol
what kind of weirdo would do that
cant say ive seen that happen
lucid mortar
Mostly YouTubers
bleak tulip
sounds like dumbasses to me
robust whale
Hnnngh. Berain grabbing good.
long wharf
so it looks like Cerebral Lacerations boosts all damage an enemy takes except from staves
orchid nacelle
hey i was right
orchid nacelle
trauma staff should totally have a short-range shotgun blast as its left click
to compliment the short range of its charge
bleak tulip
so you have no ranged option at all?
orchid nacelle
i usually run KB on trauma for my ranged option anyways
shotgun blast would be a nice bit of zest
i'm starting to appreciate trauma a bit more
daring nexus
I saw a post on Reddit today say the cdr doesnt apply to teammates
orchid nacelle
the opposite is true
in fact it ONLY applies to teammates
not you
i've had psykers running it in my squad before and it's quite noticeable when it procs
cyan notch
wat
bleak tulip
its 4.5 seconds, it just doesnt seem that rad to me
clear heath
4.5 seconds is huge wdym?
orchid nacelle
that's on every elite kill so it procs pretty often on high diff
bleak tulip
assuming you kill a lot of elites as psyker that is
clear heath
I mean realistically you'll kill like 1 every time you press F
orchid nacelle
i know because i hear my vet use his ult nearly constantly
the lines are burned into my mind
bleak tulip
zealots would care if you were in coherency with them but they already charged the gunners
and ogryn uh
yeah
also charged
bleak tulip
but it's good on yourself and zealots
it doesnt apply to yourself apparently
bleak tulip
why wouldnt it affect you
+15% combat ability cooldown reduction on Elite kill (Allies in Coherency).
clear heath
I can literally see the cooldown change when i kill
bleak tulip
key word allies
clear heath
Like you can visibly see it jump up
cyan notch
???
bleak tulip
makes sense
cyan notch
it works tho??
sinful stream
anything saying allies in coherency applies to you
orchid nacelle
doesn't seem to do that for me
cyan notch
u can test it in 2s in meat grinder
orchid nacelle
i have
sinful stream
you arent in coherency in the meatgrinder
clear heath
It used to work
cyan notch
it does work
bleak tulip
you do give yourself the coherency symbol in meat grinder
so I would assume your own coherency affects you
cyan notch
like i said go in the meat grinder youll find out within 2s
bleak tulip
unless its just generic meat grinder bullshit 
orchid nacelle
the only reason i haven't been using it more is because i thought it didn't work on me
:(
clear heath
i've never noticed it working on me
I mean you can just look at the cooldown jump
bleak tulip
the only reason i haven't been using it more is because i thought it didn't work...
maybe dont state shit matter of fact when you arent sure 
orchid nacelle
impossible
clear heath
it's a very visible jump
cyan notch
how is this even disputed i thought this was common knowledge
bleak tulip
ask peb
clear heath
looking at the screen is too hard
bleak tulip
someone made an ass out of an umpion
cyan notch
iono who peb is
orchid nacelle
maybe if i state something as a fact enough it'll become so eventually
bleak tulip
@orchid nacelle
clear heath
maybe if i state something as a fact enough it'll become so eventually
idk fatshark hates psykers so maybe this could happen
they just nerf aura
orchid nacelle
i will it to be so
cyan notch
i thought people liked running aura with kinetic barrage specifically because it gives u so much bb uptime
bleak tulip
either way wording wise it would make sense if it didnt affect you, game logic wise you do however benefit from your own coherency bonus, so the way it works is logical even though the wording is dumb
clear heath
The game has much worse examples of poor wording anyways
sinful stream
god damnit just had a situation with 4 ragers and no other enemies... i got 2 kills someone else killed the 3rd
out with a bang will brain burst me IRL
orchid nacelle
for my next assertion i'm going to put forth that zealots now start missions attached to an ogryn by a leash
so that they can never leave coherency
the zealot will be dragged along the ground forcefully
cyan notch
ogryns need like a heavy sniper or something
orchid nacelle
rumbler
cyan notch
theyre just powerless against ranged
clear heath
ogryns can hit ranged enemies just fine
cyan notch
well not powerless just pretty ineffective without spamming ammo
clear heath
The grenade weapons actually feel fine for ammo if there's vet aura
if there isn't, well...
manic needle
Everyone's already talking about new classes being added and I'm just sitting here hoping they make a gearing system that doesn't suck huge RNG-based chunks in the near future
clear heath
Ogryn has decent guns but an entire feat selection dedicated to close range fights
and the melee weapons are meh
thorn lintel
do i need to reroll blessings when that comes out ?
bleak tulip
Everyone's already talking about new classes being added and I'm just sitting he...
well youll be able to reroll the shop eventually, does that count 
cyan notch
i just want blessing extraction tbh so i dont have 5 million weapons in my inventory
bleak tulip
youll get 4 shops every hour and spend your money on something to do so
manic needle
well youll be able to reroll the shop eventually, does that count <:embracepain:...
Oh boy I can have more of the same shit system, and pay currency for the privilege
Cant wait to blow all my money on rerolls and still not find the items I want for builds
bleak tulip
I mean what else you using the money for
manic needle
I mean what else you using the money for <:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163>
Ehh I figure I might buy my own capital ship and peace out from the Mourningstar eventually
daring nexus
How come everyone treats BB like it’s the core of the psykers gameplay when the other classes blitz abilities are even more situational?
bleak tulip
maybe theyll give us back the VT2 system and have the shop just be the replacement for the crafting trash we got out of boxes
imagine if grims mattered
or difficulty
orchid nacelle
do you guys think they'll ever add the bosses to psykhanium
bleak tulip
no
orchid nacelle
kinda weird that they aren't
sinful stream
How come everyone treats BB like it’s the core of the psykers gameplay when the ...
because its the key to warp charges, other talents working
clear heath
How come everyone treats BB like it’s the core of the psykers gameplay when the ...
We have warp charges and feats that synergize with them
It's not like ogryn gets box points for their grenades
cyan notch
but no way to get weapons i want
clear heath
although i guess ogryns do like their box
violet yoke
O man I want ur plan steel!!!
daring nexus
I think all the best feats are the ones that ignore warp charges anyway
sour stirrup
I did not have cooperative team mates to test Laceration.
cyan notch
nah inner tranquility is great
clear heath
i mean, that's why everyone thinks BB and warp charges suck
Because the goal is to ignore them as hard as possible for your build
daring nexus
nah inner tranquility is great
I like the bonus force weapon damage in that row
long wharf
inner tranquility lets you be a psyker longer
sour stirrup
I'm just gonna play with Laceration on for a while and see if I get lucky
And be a good lil gun psyker.
bleak tulip
I like the bonus force weapon damage in that row
does that only apply to sword special and staves or also the FS regular attacks themselves
I would assume the first
orchid nacelle
now that i know that psykinetic aura affects myself i feel no desire to run anything else
lmao
bleak tulip
ok BBoomer
daring nexus
inner tranquility lets you be a psyker longer
Perhaps it’s because I use quietude and have a staff with really high quell speed but I feel like I thrive at around 75%
clear heath
I've been alternating between inner tranquility and psykinetic's wrath to experiment and i still don't know how to feel.
Like peril res is nice, but i could also live without it and get a bit more damage and more effect out of quietude
orchid nacelle
average BBoomer vs average Woomer
daring nexus
does that only apply to sword special and staves or also the FS regular attacks ...
It applies to normal hits with the fs too but I mostly use it to juice my surge staff
bleak tulip
hmm
clear heath
they're both such minor effects that i can't really decide even after trying both out
bleak tulip
time to shitcan inner tranq then next time I actually play psyker
get some more sword damage
I wanna be able to one shot shooters with FS light 1
is that so much to ask
daring nexus
they're both such minor effects that i can't really decide even after trying bot...
Idk about that, on paper they both seem like pretty powerful bonuses, but idk of anyone whos looked at the break point yet
bleak tulip
im a void user I aint got no time for BB
cyan notch
i use bb a lot with void too
sour stirrup
Neat. Force Sword light up is also not a Warp Attack.
bleak tulip
that makes arguably more sense than BB not being one
though BB probably just counts as a grenade
daring nexus
I pretty much only use it on bombers and gunners… which is constantly
cyan notch
or shotgunners
bleak tulip
just void em
cyan notch
cuz they some 5 at a time
void is too slow for shotgunners
u take like years to kill one
bleak tulip
you shoot em twice
cyan notch
meanwhile youre getting shot to pulp by the other 4
bleak tulip
the irst time they stumble
why the fuck are you inside of the shotgunner bubble lmao
clear heath
I can kinda see how aura + KB is less useful of a combo for a voidstrike user
but as a surge user it's great
bleak tulip
are you trying to tell me you walk into a fuckpile of 5 shotgunners and BB em all?
what the fuck
dense cloud
aura + ab is love 😄
bleak tulip
then how are you getting shot by 4 of them
daring nexus
Not sure why it would be better for the surge than the void. Those staffs are basically two sides of the same coin
cyan notch
they have range but also they spawn out of doors beside you sometimes
its faster to bb them than to slowly void 5 of them
but if theyre stacked up sure
bleak tulip
no you see what you do is get the fuck away and then kill em
and yeah usually they are stacked up when theyre spawning behind you
which isnt the norm
clear heath
Not sure why it would be better for the surge than the void. Those staffs are ba...
The benefits of running aura and kb is you can reduce peril and use BB much more often
Void doesn't need F for peril as much cause of transfer peril blessing, and BB's role as a long ranged attack kinda overlaps with Void's entire purpose anyways
cyan notch
still slower than just bbing them
sour stirrup
Goin to bed. If someone manages to oneshot a Reaper with Laceration on Malice+ with a BB by chance lemme know.
TOo tired to do this
Or I guess 3 BBs on Damnation
Whichever happens first
daring nexus
The benefits of running aura and kb is you can reduce peril and use BB much more...
Void struggles against any armor tho. It seems to really just be a tool for killing unarmored hoards
clear heath
Void struggles against any armor tho. It seems to really just be a tool for kill...
I mean i didn't say it fully replaced BB, but the fact that it replaces it for some of the usecases means you need it less often, lowering the value of getting CDR to spam it
bleak tulip
it only takes 3 on damn if you have 6 charges
sour stirrup
Should take 4 charges adn 3 BBs wtih Laceration
bleak tulip
Void struggles against any armor tho. It seems to really just be a tool for kill...
see what it does is it knocks em over and delays them
alterantively just left click heads on scab ragers and gunners and shit
said it before and Ill say it again, once they unfuck the delay on void bolt people will realize how good it is
daring nexus
What do you mean by delay?
bleak tulip
the time it takes for the projectile to fire after you click
bleak tulip
fuck knows, its the main reason nobody uses left click
and its a core part of psyker kit for 3/4 staves
daring nexus
I actually is left click quite often
cyan notch
i do too
bleak tulip
I mean same, but I barely ever see anyone else do so
clear heath
I just use it for barrels
daring nexus
I have a staff with a high level warp nexus and they crits on left click feel very nice on it
cyan notch
surge users less likely to use it since charged is so good purg is lol and trauma is lol and void also has left click but bigger on charge
bleak tulip
but yeah the bolt is fairly slow and has that awful delay so most people seem to use it once, miss their shots and think "wow this sucks" and dont really use it again
void right click actually does less damage to ragers than left click
for example
daring nexus
That’s actually how I felt when I first tried it but it really grows on you
bleak tulip
gunners etc
you can two or three shot a gunner with left click
and it has very good suppression
not that shotgunners care about that but ya know
the shooters do
clear heath
on surge you'd just stun them anyways
long wharf
the left click projectile has a different trajectory
it takes on the velocity of the player
cyan notch
thats what im saying you dont need it with surge nobody uses trauma purg doesnt have it only void youll probably use it and thats like 1 out of 4 so yea ur not gonna see many
bleak tulip
certainly feels that way when youre strafing
south monolith
If it traveled like the right click for voidstrike it would great.
long wharf
If it traveled like the right click for voidstrike it would great.
yep, and that's what everyone initially expects
bleak tulip
I mean you need it with surge if youre trying to hit shit further than 5 meters away
but nobody uses it and just spams surge into hordes, at least by the surge geniuses I seem to get in pubs
clear heath
You need it for surge when you want to shoot a barrel
because you can't lightning a barrel on demand
long wharf
but nobody uses it and just spams surge into hordes, at least by the surge geniu...
I surge into the horde around teammates
sonic aspen
I ignite all of them with purge
bleak tulip
I surge into the horde around teammates
I mean yeah what else are you gonna do you dont have the range on it to do anything else, and its fine if theres elites in there
sinful stream
staff special mellee attack triggering kinetick flayer feels badass
daring nexus
I find the surge has huge range
clear heath
It can chain pretty far away
Testing it now in psykanium, you just need your first target to be within 20m
bleak tulip
doesnt it only do damage to 6 targets or something puny
long wharf
I mean yeah what else are you gonna do you dont have the range on it to do anyth...
I could wade into the horde with my axe
bleak tulip
but are you
long wharf
I do when I'm confident in the teammate to handle themselves
daring nexus
doesnt it only do damage to 6 targets or something puny
Yea it’s not the best for many targets but you can like stun the front rank of guys and hold the rest of a hoard back
bleak tulip
depending on the situation you dont really wanan surge hordes because it decompresses them, now if theyre slipping by thats fine and all
and if theres elites in there its good too
but if its just trash in a choke point youre actively wasting your time if you surge em
long wharf
surging a horde hoping to get the elites is unreliable at best
clear heath
If you really want to pick out far away targets, KB + BB works fine
bleak tulip
then whats even the point of surge
daring nexus
then whats even the point of surge
It’s 9/11 for scabs
bleak tulip
the whole point is to delay elites intermixed in hordes to my understanding
long wharf
then whats even the point of surge
it decimates scabs, it pins down elites when you can
clear heath
surging a horde hoping to get the elites is unreliable at best
Idk i've never had an issue hitting elites in a horde with surge
long wharf
no, surge is not for getting elites intermixed in hordes
surge only hits up to 6 enemies at once
daring nexus
It can one shot gunners, flamers, shot gunners, etc
long wharf
all enemies beyond the front line of the horde aren't getting touched by surge
bleak tulip
It can one shot gunners, flamers, shot gunners, etc
what on malice?
because it sure as shit doesnt on heresy
long wharf
nonsense
daring nexus
what on malice?
It does on heresy
sinful stream
surge crits hard but u know u gotta get lucky
bleak tulip
I guess I dont get lucky then
long wharf
surge on damnation can take out the weak elites as long as they're the primary target
sinful stream
the other 4 are tickled
long wharf
and you get a crit
fully charged surge can take out groups of scabs as well
it's not just for spamming
clear heath
all enemies beyond the front line of the horde aren't getting touched by surge
idk just aim higher or something. Haven't had issues when i want to target a crusher or mauler in a crowd of poxwalkers
long wharf
well crushers and maulers stand taller
daring nexus
Actually in the grinder today I hit the mauler with a surge and it 1 shot the gunner next to him
bleak tulip
now admittedly I havent use surge much at all but I sure as shit didnt feel like I was one shotting any specials with it when I tried it
I just kind of kept em pinned until they eventually fell over 80 peril later
long wharf
you can't spam it when you're trying to kill something
bleak tulip
I didnt
sinful stream
now admittedly I havent use surge much at all but I sure as shit didnt feel like...
could just be the surge staff u were dealt by the shop
long wharf
surge has to tick a certain number of times on an enemy in order to pop on them
bleak tulip
I understood back then that you gotta charge for damage too, as I do now
long wharf
charge determines damage on surge
sinful stream
well that thing would kick ass
bleak tulip
I guess I just didnt get lucky on crits then
long wharf
yeah, that's a great staff, upgrade it
daring nexus
It needs warp nexus and it will be Armageddon
bleak tulip
lol
long wharf
why not upgrade it
south monolith
Look at his name lol
bleak tulip
not wasting mats and there isnt anything to make it much better
south monolith
A man of culture
bleak tulip
like what else would I want on it
cyan notch
yellow
long wharf
I really wish warp flurry wasn't broken
bleak tulip
I could reroll perks on it I guess but I havent used it since way before that was a athing
clear heath
Wait holy shit
If i crit with a surge staff and cancel it by switching to my force sword with blazing spirit, the surge inflicts soulblaze lmao
soulblaze surge staff lets goo
daring nexus
😂
long wharf
surge staff can already roll blazing spirit, right?
bleak tulip
why not just AB
clear heath
no
long wharf
hmm, thought it could
bleak tulip
surge doesnt get shit
thats why I dont know why I'd upgrade it
flurry doesnt work well for it I feel like
long wharf
flurry doesn't work on any staff secondary
bleak tulip
focused channeling is just kind of comfort
clear heath
My surge staff is still blue as well
bleak tulip
so all you got is nexus I guess?
south monolith
Only Trauma and Void can get soulblaze and its 1 or 2 stacks
long wharf
the charge breaks the chain of attacks
clear heath
I can't justify upgrading surge staff for basically nothing when i need the plasteel for curios
even though it's my most used weapon
bleak tulip
like, if sweatlords like jsat use blue surges in damnation duos, why upgrade lol
clear heath
yeah i thought it was funny too
long wharf
because surge's utility doesn't come from its blessings, sadly
bleak tulip
clearly he must think its aint worth it and he sure used it a lot more than I did
clear heath
this is the shit i've been using
long wharf
this is my best surge staff
cyan notch
sounds like poor people speak to me
clear heath
sorry not all of us spam malice runs to farm plasteel
bleak tulip
sounds like poor people speak to me
I just have more important things to spend my resources on 
also I dont even really play psyker much anymore because I cant get any decent swords or staves from the shop
fresh reef
I trolled myself today. selected surge by accident when I wanted to play void
bleak tulip
that surge was all my luck on psyker it seems
long wharf
I really enjoy surge
cyan notch
theyre all pretty fun
long wharf
it's a more tactical weapon
cyan notch
depends on team comp
fresh reef
it's cool for the power fantasy of shooting lightning from your hands but it is very not mechanically demanding
bleak tulip
if I wanted my team to do all the work I'd play fuckin ogryn or something
long wharf
you have to understand that with surge you're leaning into the support role
bleak tulip
well no shit
long wharf
lock down elites, groups of gunners, help teammates getting swarmed
fresh reef
I'm fully aware and it's still boring
long wharf
¯_(ツ)_/¯
clear heath
lightning is cool
bleak tulip
its just so utterly boring
cyan notch
nah its not boring
fresh reef
makes carrying easy though, so there's that
cyan notch
i find purg extremely boring
fresh reef
and locking out a gunner group is convenient
cyan notch
all subjective
sinful stream
surge works well for me in pugs no problem. doesnt matter that we arent like commumicating or planning ahead
bleak tulip
nobody said it doesnt work
fresh reef
surge works well for me in pugs no problem. doesnt matter that we arent like com...
pretty easy to understand "if blue lightning ally alive, me have crutch of insane CC"
clear heath
People talk about needing to rely on teammates for damage being a huge problem in pugs, but like 90% of people in pugs run full damage builds anyways so i don't really see the issue.
The problem with pugs for me is people keep trying to kill themselves and surge is great for stopping that
Like it's "team dependant" but like most teams work with it
summer prairie
surge kills everything except horde and dregs anyway
sinful stream
only one who should be trying to kill myself is me doing going out with a bang
bleak tulip
surge kills everything except horde and dregs anyway
yeah see this is the part I have trouble believeing from everything ive seen and done with it
summer prairie
what does it not kill?
clear heath
poxwalkers
summer prairie
well you have to left click sure
fresh reef
join T5
this'll be fun
clueless
spawn on top of a Plague Ogryn, 3 reapers, and a shooter squad with half hp to no fault of my own
long wharf
surge doesn't quickly kill much
fresh reef
epic
daring nexus
2
summer prairie
have to charge a bit but it doesnt matter
fresh reef
like how many charges does it take to kill a mauler
does it really matter when it literally can't move?
bleak tulip
I mean it matters because its not alone
summer prairie
yeah his friends are dying too
long wharf
we get it, you find surge boring
you need to understand that other people find it engaging and incredibly viable
near wyvern
The real problem in pugs (herecy and damnation) is that people play malice and learn to just run forward, which gets them annihilated by the third corner.
twin pond
is psyker surge staff crit still bugged?
long wharf
in fact, I don't run damnation without surge
long wharf
is psyker surge staff crit still bugged?
never was
clear heath
I mean i use surge with the expectation that either i'll switch to melee and kill it, or i BB, or a teammate does it.
Surge doesn't really kill stuff on it's own that well
bleak tulip
you need to understand that other people find it engaging and incredibly viable
when did I say you cant do what you want lmao
or that you cant find it fun
long wharf
there's a known bug with the meat grinder not showing crits as yellow sometimes
clear heath
there's a known bug with the meat grinder not showing crits as yellow sometimes
Yeah but the damage and all related effects still happens.
It's actually very easy to see with Zealot Crusher as well. You still trigger the bleed on crit feat despite the numbers being white
twin pond
i mean what i read of it being buggedd as fake news, thanks y'all
clear heath
Surge crits do still show as yellow though, so i don't see what's wrong with surge
bleak tulip
it sometimes doesnt apparently
clear heath
seems to be pretty consistently working actualy
ebon wigeon
I'm gonna suuuuuurge
long wharf
it's surgin time
fresh reef
Aaaaaaa I'm suuuuuuuurginggggg
long wharf
actually it's bed time
ebon wigeon
So explain to me why a dum lightning staff that can only target 4 enemies is better than less dum fire staff that can target a bajillion
ebon wigeon
But fire stuns also
long wharf
it staggers
clear heath
no way blazing spirit surge staff!!!
Blazing spirit viable???
look at that beautiful 18 dps
long wharf
no way blazing spirit surge staff!!!
Blazing spirit viable???
now see how many stacks you can apply before they run out
burn dots aren't bad
soulblaze dots are bad
clear heath
I would need to actually crit multiple times in a row
bleak tulip
dots in general arent great in a game like DT but yeah soulblaze specifically is even worse
lean moth
anyone know why the rating on the stats go down even though it's the same?
clear heath
anyone know why the rating on the stats go down even though it's the same?
It doesn't. The display is lying to you
it'll just stay the same
bleak tulip
display bug when in doubt
clear heath
game still in beta
long wharf
typical FatDev UI shenanigans
that's what happens when you hire a bunch of devs who've never worked on anything before
and have no QA in place
and do no testing
vestal finch
that's what happens when you hire a bunch of devs who've never worked on anythin...
They would never do that
...would they?
long wharf
it's precisely what they did
vestal finch
Maaaaan
orchid nacelle
how much does First Target actually matter on force sword
does it directly multiply the special damage
bleak tulip
a lot
long wharf
FatShark hired a bunch of people just for Darktide
First Target doesn't matter much at all
for force sword
it doesn't affect the special attack at all
vestal finch
Do they go on a newbie hiring spree before every game they make?
long wharf
and force sword doesn't have good sweeping/cleaving attacks
bleak tulip
fuckin tripping
long wharf
if you aren't constantly hitting multiple enemies per swing, the you aren't taking advantage of first strike
orchid nacelle
you'd wanna double down on the single target part right?
long wharf
"first target"
vestal finch
You'll be doing nothing but first strikes on enemies
long wharf
first target doesn't apply if you only hit one enemy on the swing
the text says it all
orchid nacelle
yeah lmao
long wharf
if youre hitting one target thats still your first target homie <:Kekw:929575628...
no
it's the only target
first implies multiple
orchid nacelle
but
bleak tulip
alright man you might wanna go to bed
vestal finch
Yeah and Fatshark is known for being veeery clear in their tooltips
orchid nacelle
that's your first target
clear heath
first target doesn't apply if you only hit one enemy on the swing
Every THammer zealot would be malding rn
the description is wrong
orchid nacelle
that's why the FS tooltip accounts for the first target damage
bleak tulip
Yeah and Fatshark is known for being veeery clear in their tooltips
thats pretty fair actually
long wharf
yall making me load the game back up
night marten
done that so many times
orchid nacelle
bruh
bleak tulip
either way, "not a lot of cleave", youre still hitting multiple targets anyway
orchid nacelle
the first target you hit is your first target
bleak tulip
even with FS
yeah you aint doing eviscerator levels
but youre still hitting at least two things
bleak tulip
light 1 and 2 hit multiple
orchid nacelle
melee attacks don't hit every enemy simultaneously
bleak tulip
heavy 2 has a better angle to hit multiple than heavy 1 even though it hits multiple too
either way first target still matters
orchid nacelle
does first target affect the special damage?
bleak tulip
no
orchid nacelle
alright
bleak tulip
shouldnt
bleak tulip
finesse does though I believe
clear heath
Pretty sure first target works even if there's 1 target, if the arguments that happen in zealot chat about thammer is to believed
fresh reef
@bleak tulip Tried void
enjoyed it
until I realized it's much harder to defend myself than it was with trauma
bleak tulip
yeah
orchid nacelle
trauma is great for clearing out some breathing room around you really fast
the radius is surprisingly big
bleak tulip
<@112427776950226944> Tried void
enjoyed it
until I realized it's much harder to...
you can still right click when theyre really close, but you dont get a get out of jail free card like trauma-ing yourself thats true 
void aoe is dogshit, dont aim at the ground ever if you did that
it just staggers a bit
fresh reef
you can still right click when theyre really close, but you dont get a get out o...
I also don't get to give my teammates a get out of jail free card, not to the same extent anyway
bleak tulip
well yeah thats not its job
you railgun the horde before theyre even in surge, purg and trauma range
thats the glory of void
supple skiff
yeah void is all about that gauss cannon shit, the actual detonation sucks
orchid nacelle
trauma is also great at clearing space to res people with
bleak tulip
the detonation really only comes in handy when your shot terminates on an armored elite and staggers some trash around it
fresh reef
trauma is also great at clearing space to res people with
one trauma m2 + peril block = free res 100% of the time, unless there's shooters nearby and you aren't running FS
clear heath
Ok i think first target works on force sword special.
Left did 1137 and right did 1089. It had more damage but did less cause of first target
It wasn't a weakspot hit, so finess shouldn't be doing anything either
bleak tulip
that would confirm that first target works on one target then too I guess
since special definitely only hits one
long wharf
okay, it looks like first target is always in effect
bleak tulip
another description wrong
clear heath
Does this surprise anyone?
long wharf
hitting two guys in the meat grinder, the second guy is taking much less damage than the first
bleak tulip
but all my testing and feel told me it still works
long wharf
¯_(ツ)_/¯
clear heath
I think it's just the description that's wrong
I think it's basically working as intended
supple skiff
the correct answer is whichever option is better for the class, its the other one
fresh reef
did anyone use kinetic shield before 1.0.21?
trying to confirm whether it was an actual balance change or a description change to match reality 
bleak tulip
I mean it wouldnt make sense that it does more damage to the first target only when you hit something behind it
long wharf
and with that, I'm going to bed
clear heath
It would be extremely weird if the weapon did less to the first target because you didn't have a second target
bleak tulip
so I would hope its the description
long wharf
in other words, it's a pointless stat
bleak tulip
nah its just a damage multriplier past 50%
cyan notch
what
supple skiff
after that shenanigans with the damage tables of trauma I really don't know what to think anymore
bleak tulip
and a damage deficit below 50
long wharf
it makes no sense for there to be a stat for additional damage to first enemy hit
instead a stat for how much damage is lost on consecutive enemies hit with the swing makes more sense
fresh reef
after that shenanigans with the damage tables of trauma I really don't know what...
I'm still sad over that
supple skiff
need a fucking farseer just to figure out what shit is suppose to do what
cyan notch
instead a stat for how much damage is lost on consecutive enemies hit with the s...
thats cleave
fresh reef
on a related note, are Beasts of Nurgle weak to explosive damage like bursters are?
clear heath
instead a stat for how much damage is lost on consecutive enemies hit with the s...
Nah it makes sense as a stat for weapons where you want to focus on first target damage.
It's the whole identity of the thunder hammer for example
orchid nacelle
okay. let's say that hypothetically. there are two enemies in front of you. you cleave one, but miss the second one. does the game account for the fact that you WOULD have hit a second target?
if you hadn't missed?
no, that would be stupid
cyan notch
where are you going with this
orchid nacelle
first target always applies to the first target hit
regardless of whether you cleave
cyan notch
well yea
bleak tulip
reminder that as far as I know every weapon has all of these stats, but the rolls only apply to certain weapons
clear heath
He's saying there's no way for the game to know if there even is a second target at the moment of impact with the first, so the idea of first target requiring a second makes no sense
orchid nacelle
i see no reason to doubt this
orchid nacelle
He's saying there's no way for the game to know if there even is a second target...
thank you
bleak tulip
like to my understanding every weapon technically has a defense value
but only few actually roll for it
for the others its a fixed value
cyan notch
i dont even entertain the thought that first target only applies when u hit multiple targets its pretty obvious to me
bleak tulip
at least thats my understanding
supple skiff
might be old news but run and gun works on rmb charge now
cyan notch
every weapon has all the stats they just dont have a range
orchid nacelle
what is the theory behind melk's misery acquisitions
bleak tulip
they suck
orchid nacelle
do they roll a random melk-tier item or a random shop-tier item
bleak tulip
thats not a theory
clear heath
the theory is that he hates me personally
bleak tulip
I mean he rolls only purples and yellows
the shop only rolls blues
an below
its entirely luck if melk has any decent base stats though
cyan notch
i got a lot of blues like 2 purples and 1 orange curio from melk
clear heath
You guys are actually doing the mystery acquisitions?
bleak tulip
at this point he only ever has yellows and purples for me
orchid nacelle
is it ever worth spending MelkCoin™️ on his mystery thingies
bleak tulip
lol no
cyan notch
i still have 3k+
bleak tulip
I dont think anybody tried super recently but after release someone did and itwas like 99% dogshit
cyan notch
might as well gamble
clear heath
at this point he only ever has yellows and purples for me
They're talking about the mystery acquisition rolls
cyan notch
i got a lot of blues like 2 purples and 1 orange curio from melk
i just tried like an hour ago
orchid nacelle
if it can ony roll purples and yellows then you could probably cop a pretty nice curio for one expenditure of 250
clear heath
You're actually doing them?
And getting yellows???
cyan notch
well i only got 1 orange
bleak tulip
out of...?
cyan notch
i think i bought like 10?
clear heath
did u win?
bleak tulip
base stats still the same melk ballpark or higher
I guess they wouldnt be any different considering theyre so much cheaper
runic current
hey so are there any plans in the crafting system to boost base stats, cus like ive played like 250+ (lot of which is post bata) as a psyker and most of the gold gear i get have those high 450-465ish from empirer rewards but there all mostly guns instead of staffs. like im not against psykers with guns, i understand that some people like that, but most if not all psykers i see in game are using staffs not guns. is there a good reason for guns being in the possible drops for psykers besides drawing out my time grinding out t5s pointlessly, im just frustrated at this point
clear heath
no idea
runic current
i cry
bleak tulip
its not mentioned in the crafting post
so its either much later or some other way to get past 80%
runic current
some of my best weapons are guns lol
bleak tulip
I mean my best staff is a surge and I dont use surge so
we all have our cross to bear
my cross being quite lucky on an eviscerator roll so now I play zealot 
runic current
like i want to get good with all of them but i cannt get any of them with good stats
night marten
I wonder whether devs predicted the vast majority of psykers would only use staffs
maybe
cyan notch
like i want to get good with all of them but i cannt get any of them with good s...
skill issue unfortunately please camp the shop harder
bleak tulip
the shop sure as fuck doesnt feel like it
runic current
kek
bleak tulip
luck if you get more than one psyker weapon in there
clear heath
they just didn't design enough staves so they decided to pad out the weapon list with guns
bleak tulip
idk I just kind of dont use generic weapons on any class
on zealot I use eviscerator and flamer or bolter
runic current
i mean, 4 is good so far right now but there are like 20ish guns that are in that pool of odds
clear heath
well, bolter is shared with vet tho
bleak tulip
yeah but I cant get it on psyker so its not totally universal
im more talking about shit like autoguns
or generic lasguns
clear heath
technically none of them are universal cause ogryns exist
bleak tulip
why use those on zealot or psyker
technically ogryn doesnt do damage so who cares 
but fr ogryn gets fucked over its sad
I tried playing it for like 5 hours and just didnt have fun with any melee weapon and only fun with rippy
everything else i tried sucked
fresh reef
Siblings, post your fashion immediately 
clear heath
they should give ogryn like 50 more toughness and more melee damage
runic current
/\
bleak tulip
they should give ogryn some more weapons with horizontal sweeps rather than every other attack being a strikedown or some weird shit
sand mauve
Hello fello psykers. Is there a good reason why i should take the force sword over the chainsword? Seems like chainsword regular clicks kill much faster than force sword, and the alt fire seems to do identical damage
clear heath
ogryn has arms bigger than everyone else's entire body but have underwhelming melee
runic current
swag thats why
bleak tulip
you can get deflector, the block push is better (stage 1 that is) and its got a better moveset for clicking heads specifically
jovial frigate
kek
bleak tulip
also I wanna say the special is faster
jovial frigate
just realizing now that trauma can roll transfer peril
bleak tulip
but maybe thats just my brain being dumb
orchid nacelle
ogryns do have crazy good stagger with melee weapons though yeah
clear heath
Hello fello psykers. Is there a good reason why i should take the force sword ov...
mainly blessings
specifically deflector
orchid nacelle
they cna sorta just stunlock everything
bleak tulip
just realizing now that trauma can roll transfer peril
hope you love left clicking
orchid nacelle
xdddd
clear heath
also I wanna say the special is faster
Idk if it actually finishes faster, but i swear it staggers earlier. I get hit by ragers if we attack eachother at the same time on chainsword but this never happens with force sword special
orchid nacelle
does staff left click have some deviation on it or something
it feels kind of awkward
jovial frigate
every single one of these rolls shouldnt be possible on a trauma staff lmao
fresh reef
How much peril from 1 m2?
bleak tulip
does staff left click have some deviation on it or something
it has a delay and probably some momentum inherited from your movements
jovial frigate
orchid nacelle
ahhhh
runic current
the thing i dont get with staffs, why is it only the flame staff that doesnt have a bolt
fresh reef
lul
bleak tulip
I dont know if that stat there even works
sand mauve
mainly blessings
specifically deflector
I see! I'll fish for better swords once i'm 30
fresh reef
yeah no shit I mean the first one <:Kekw:929575628682965043>
Why, when I asked what m2 peril cost was
bleak tulip
yeah go stay up until 9 am then and still be coherent
jovial frigate
its 2 am here and im waiting 3 minutes so that i can sleep knowing that i really didnt miss anything good
grave hollow
which staff has the flamethrower and at when do I unlock it?
bleak tulip
purg
fresh reef
its 2 am here and im waiting 3 minutes so that i can sleep knowing that i really...
Oh no whatever would you do without the 298 base stat heavy Las pistol
jovial frigate
purgatus and like 16 or something
grave hollow
oh damn okay
bleak tulip
you get trauma first
fresh reef
Trauma is okay. Needs good bars to excel
fresh reef
KEK
fresh reef
I never really check the shop anymore
jovial frigate
i honestly only really want a 370+ force sword and a 365+ voidstrike
and thats kinda it
cyan notch
i want a chainsword
jovial frigate
i guess a chainsword too
fresh reef
All my equipment performs decently well on T5
jovial frigate
emperor gave me this one yesterday but i havent used it yet
fresh reef
So there's hardly a need for me to seek out 380s, when A. They're rare as fuck and B. Provide no substantial bonus
jovial frigate
heh
fresh reef
Only 380 I have is a fucking mk2 tac axe lul
jovial frigate
340
yeah i've been talking with people and it seems like
i kinda have more 380s than should be legally possible
lol
i think i have 11? now
somewhere between 8 to 11
alright im off to bed
clear heath
I've never seen a 380 for a weapon type i actually use
jovial frigate
yeah half of them are random greens i probably wont ever use
but i bought them just in case
clear heath
I just don't even check unless it's the right weapon, so idk how many i missed
stray swift
anyone willing to help me get Malleus Monstronum? Will help you with yours/other penances.
jovial frigate
i dont really check the weapon stats, ijust know that a level 400/405 green is a 380
clear heath
oh nice
jovial frigate
so basically im loooking for like 425+ blues and 395+ greens and 380 bases
whole wharf
Finally, a good fucking force sword.
jovial frigate
you know if i had a better %crit roll on my purg staff, i'd def roll crit on my force sword
ok srssly bed
cya
clear heath
gn
whole wharf
gnight
idle shuttle
so basically im loooking for like 425+ blues and 395+ greens and 380 bases
350 greens
or maybe not, forgot
night marten
man, when the AI director breaks... ugh.
south monolith
But did your ration limit increase?
vivid merlin
did we ever as a community figure out which first tier talent to pick for purg staff
clear heath
no
night marten
I like essence harvest, but many (most?) like Quietitude
think most agreed absorption isn't great for purg
vivid merlin
I think if they made it so you actually procced absorption on a fire kill it'd be easier to pick
night marten
among many other things, purgatus is a mess
vivid merlin
essence harvest and quietitude are both inconsistent in different ways
so I don't actually like any of them
night marten
the fact it has two nearly completely independent kinds of damage really fucks with its perks/blessings/feat interactions
vivid merlin
I think I'd run quiet with a non-fs melee weapon and essence otherwise
clear heath
i run quietude with force sword anyways
night marten
I think I'd run quiet with a non-fs melee weapon and essence otherwise
that's my thinking, depending on which charge-generating feats you pick
clear heath
you can just manual quell with a staff
olive ember
meh I run quietude
if I really need to spamming force pushes will build up the peril I need
clear heath
or blocking
clear heath
or if you really want to regen toughness and literally no one is alive near you, you could spam special
olive ember
tho if no one is near you spamming staff is faster iirc
vivid merlin
kinda feels like quietitude nonbos with 6 charge peril resist
brave plume
Using peril is easy. Everything but basic FS swings builds it
mental vortex
worth buying?
olive ember
🤔
brave plume
Maybe if you’re using an axe with quietude you wouldn’t want it… but I will whip out staff for some CC in the middle of a melee for some peril which will then give toughness regen using combat axe
olive ember
its been a while since I've seen a low level surge
I'd say the one you have is better
brave plume
More zap CC
near wyvern
worth buying?
At that level nothing matters
Just buy stuff to test them out
brave plume
At that level nothing matters
Just buy stuff to test them out
He already has the weapon type and it’s a lower rating even
near wyvern
Coin will not be a problem in the end game, you will have a surplus of it
brave plume
Just a tiny bit more damage, but surge is best for its C C C not damage, so less peril generation and faster quell is better
And it won’t raise his inventory rating level, presuming that effects store rolls
near wyvern
Just a tiny bit more damage, but surge is best for its C C C not damage, so less...
You are discussing over numbers that don't matter
When you get to 350+ base staff staves then we can continue this discussion
Both of those staves will be outdated in 5 hours of game play
mental vortex
I find endgame Boring so I just switch classes after level 25-30
brave plume
You are discussing over numbers that don't matter
When you get to 350+ base sta...
So why blow the coin the only time coin economy means anything?
near wyvern
So why blow the coin the only time coin economy means anything?
To see stuff for yourself and it's still extremely easy to come by?
clear heath
ordo dockets are worthless anyways. takes less effort to afford it than to ask
just buy it
brave plume
Ok, let’s not give advice then
idle bay
We still don't know the prices of Blessing crafting - dockets may or may not be involved.
magic hull
dockets surely will be more costly in the future
clear heath
You certainly won't care about the 5k dockets you spent early on. It's not that important of a decision
south monolith
Trust level is the only variable for what level of items you can get.
brave plume
We still don't know the prices of Blessing crafting - dockets may or may not be ...
Lower level gear is like 1/3 the of a heresy run, so that really doesn’t factor.
Better to spend the dockets on something actually different, even if trash
idle bay
Lower level gear is like 1/3 the of a heresy run, so that really doesn’t factor....
At this point of "engame" i'm spending it on : 1) High base stats weapons 2) Good base stats + perk curios 3) Useful Blessing on weapon to use it in crafting
brave plume
At this point of "engame" i'm spending it on : 1) High base stats weapons 2) Goo...
Oh yeah, at end game that’s the only things to spend money on besides some armor recolors
Also things that may prove useful over time
idle bay
Oh yeah, at end game that’s the only things to spend money on besides some armor...
Sadly there is no re-colour of Maleus Monstrum armour. And it does not need one - it's perfect
I'd rather spend aquillas on another urinal-headgear, then dockets on another re-colour 🙂
near wyvern
There has to be a limit for "is this worth a buy"
If we start comparing every 120 stat item here on the way ppl level up themselves it will be just useless clutter as those people will soon get rid of the item they bought anyway
The point of "is this worth a buy" is when you have a weapon with a good stat total and then we discuss if the stat distribution, blessings and perks are good or not.
And that will be a weapon someone will use for a long time or end up with
heavy wigeon
Do remember that datamining has shown an unimplemented shop function to reroll the Armory inventory for an increasing cost of dockets.
magic hull
the recolored hoods are nice tho on the docket store
night marten
There has to be a limit for "is this worth a buy"
If we start comparing every 1...
yea, the best thing you can do to improve a weapon if you're not 30 is to just level
idle bay
the recolored hoods are nice tho on the docket store
grey one with mask - is the only one i bought in using it non-stop 🙂
night marten
you'll see a much better option within ~5 levels probably
then it won't need to be a question
magic hull
There has to be a limit for "is this worth a buy"
If we start comparing every 1...
chill out bro they are new players. I used to post 110 staffs on here and asked if its worth it pre-beta. If people knew this they wouldn't ask
south monolith
yea, the best thing you can do to improve a weapon if you're not 30 is to just l...
But if you want a FS with deflector with decent enough stats grab it imo
night marten
But if you want a FS with deflector with decent enough stats grab it imo
I'm not sure about that, feels like a trap tbh. having deflector can be great, but it's too weak of a crutch if it can't function like a decent melee weapon in malice+ due to arbitrarily deflated stats since being acquired at a low character level
tawdry shell
what would be good blessing for this sword
because I am playing heresy
and its like a backscratcher
near wyvern
and its like a backscratcher
Try mark 4 or 2. They have cleave on it.
near wyvern
Seems to be a decent one. Not the best total but nice blessings. I would reroll sprint efficiency for a +25% damage of your choice
olive ember
are dueling swords even good now
since they removed movement tech whats the point of running a DS
when you can run antax or FS or even just a devils claw
south monolith
I'm not sure about that, feels like a trap tbh. having deflector can be great, b...
I just meant for leveling, if someone wants to move up in difficulty then using appropriate gear should be a priority. Some blessings are rare so you can't always expect to see it again in 5 levels.
near wyvern
are dueling swords even good now
Yes. They are ok DPS on mutants and provide good mobility for quickly repositioning yourself, which, believe it or not is one of the most important things in damnation.
night marten
I just meant for leveling, if someone wants to move up in difficulty then using ...
agreed, that makes sense
tawdry shell
Yes. They are ok DPS on mutants and provide good mobility for quickly reposition...
agreed
mobility is good
olive ember
¯_(ツ)_/¯
maybe it's just me but the extra base mobility of the dueling sword is meh at best
especially since psyker is typically backline
near wyvern
It's the dodge slides that make it good for mobility. There are many and they go far and fast.
olive ember
fair enough
near wyvern
The running speed bonus is just a nice addition
azure ice
how is game
night marten
how is game
game good 
magic hull
how is game
less lame than u
azure ice
loll
magic hull
godem
mental vortex
why is the surge staff so bad at killing hordes
it hits like 5 enemies and kills 2
magic hull
because it is
purga is better for deaing w hordes
but surge is better when staggering elites and ranged
distant fog
The blessings on this look good but is it worth buying this with these stats?
It's got really high first target, but the damage and penetration seems like it may be a problem unless those blessings make up for it and I'm not experienced enough to know if it will
hollow mural
Out of 6 matches, I've received a gold gun and sabre and a purple gun 😦
alpine portal
The blessings on this look good but is it worth buying this with these stats?
It...
if you feel like you could make it up I would consider it heavily. i play on t3 tho. that's at least a weeks worth of coins.
distant fog
I usually play on T4 or T3, and have been heavily considering trying to get a decent axe and I wasn't sure if these stats being low were a deal breaker
The blessings look really good and the perks feel like they work fairly well in making up for Surge Staff's shortcomings
elfin crystal
surge is a crutch for bad teams kinda
alpine portal
I usually play on T4 or T3, and have been heavily considering trying to get a de...
id ask again in a few hours. a lot of the server is asleep
there are break points that Im only starting to understand
distant fog
Unfortunately I mostly play pub so I don't really have that many good teams. If I'm playing with friends I tend to run Purgatus and Deflector FS
distant fog
id ask again in a few hours. a lot of the server is asleep
I'll come again in about 3 hours then, hopefully there'll be some experienced people who can give more input
Thanks
drowsy fog
god its like pugs get worse every day
distant fog
I'm just a bit wary of buying this because it's pretty pricey
drowsy fog
mk V with brutal momentum is a nearly perfect defensive tool, with kinetic deflection you can tank anything but bullets and the push attack cleaves so its stats arent the priority but they would be nice. However weekly currency is well... contentious
distant fog
Since the push attack cleaves and hits multiple enemies, would that proc Headtaker multiple times?
drowsy fog
so if you want it, buy it but you'll likely find an upgrade
procs on hit so I'd say so
distant fog
Hmm... I'll think a bit more on it then.
Thanks!
I just really wish that currency in general was shared
I have a lot on my Zealot and Veteran that goes nowhere
It'd make it a lot easier to make decisions like this
drowsy fog
yeah, not like you can catapult a new character to the top with it since low levels weapons are actual garbage
distant fog
Yeah, it's kind of ridiculous. I also come from a background of D2 and DRG so I'm pretty used to shared currencies, for both, and gear, for the former, so this throws me off a bit
drowsy fog
im so frustrated with pugs tho, just had a veteran walk up to a demonhost and shoot it in the face then get mad when he instantly died
vagrant cedar
I just really wish that currency in general was shared
you mean you can't spend dozens of hours on both of your characters every week?
huh
distant fog
im so frustrated with pugs tho, just had a veteran walk up to a demonhost and sh...
I lost a 11/15 Flawless Execution streak just because some Zealot decided to rush a Daemonhost when I typed in chat to avoid it because everyone else was down and it was just me and him
alpine portal
you mean you can't spend dozens of hours on both of your characters every week?
I wish everything was shaired.
distant fog
Needless to say we both died pretty quickly because there were still plenty of mobs around
drowsy fog
earlier someone got lost... lost
with objective markers, they were a whole section behind
olive ember
I lost a 11/15 Flawless Execution streak just because some Zealot decided to rus...
Yeah I played like an actual b*tch for flawless execution
like I waited for malice lesser hordes, and only played if I had atleast two friends with me
drowsy fog
like if you wanna kill demons I'll tank it, a shield ogryn can tank it. Zealots and vet will die
olive ember
zealots can tank it if they know what they are doing
distant fog
I was quite confident in carrying but that game was incredibly cursed and that single Zealot got us all killed since we were all already weak and in a bad situation
It's kind of amazing how less hordes sometimes still drops like
3 Crushers.
2 Maulers.
4 Ragers.
drowsy fog
clearly this zealot did not know what they were doing
alpine portal
like if you wanna kill demons I'll tank it, a shield ogryn can tank it. Zealots ...
Knife zelot can dash around it ok. but your team needs to hit it hard
drowsy fog
lol dodge tank? lets let people who can withstand it do the tanking instead of giving people carpal tunnel
olive ember
yeah I circle kited a daemon host on my taxe zealot for a while but I was stuck with a bunch of brainlets who couldn't even deal a quarter of the boss health
distant fog
like I waited for malice lesser hordes, and only played if I had atleast two fri...
Unfortunately most of my friends are in the US and I'm in Asia so I don't really have that many people I can play with at convenient times
drowsy fog
I'll game with ya, I'm US but im night shift
olive ember
I'm US I just have zero sleep schedule after pulling an all nighter the day before a final to study lol
distant fog
I appreciate the offer, but I'll have to hold off on that since I'm still recovering from medical and so right now is just store checking simulator haha
drowsy fog
thats the whole game what do you mean
drowsy fog
how charming
idle shuttle
i was like why are they talking about that penance
then again I was always told "just tell your ogryn friend to help you"
summer prairie
left
elfin crystal
left is better, but at that point just wait until you find a 380 one tbh
olive ember
well shit I gotta grind
meh idk when a 380 one is gonna pop up
at this point I'm thinking of all in with the stupid gambling
summer prairie
even when you get a 380 there's no guarantee it's better than a 370 or even a 360